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Space Penguin Could Hop Around The Moon

notdanielp writes "A robotic Lunar Penguin explorer could be hopping around on the moon by 2009, said Raytheon on Tuesday, as it unveiled the concept lander at an aerospace conference. The unmanned lunar device, in development for two years, is 3 feet tall and weighs approximately 230 pounds. It "hops" by reigniting small propulsion engines ... President Bush last year refocused the space program on sending people to the moon, Mars and beyond. Raytheon said the Penguin could be a robotic precursor to future manned space missions and that it was being proposed to NASA."

185 comments

  1. You KNEW this was coming by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 5, Funny

    .......but does it run Linux?

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    1. Re:You KNEW this was coming by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally! After all these years, and now it's here: a story for which "Yeah, but does [ridiculously incongruous device] run Linux?" is actually on-topic!

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    2. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Pants75 · · Score: 1

      does it Hop Linux???

    3. Re:You KNEW this was coming by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      We have finally found a use for the term "Lunix" other than trolling!

    4. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL i actually knew that was coming... seriously...

    6. Re:You KNEW this was coming by LandKurt · · Score: 1
      .......but does it run Linux?

      In Soviet Russia, Linux runs Lunar Penguin.

      Wait... that actually makes sense. Nevermind.

    7. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Finally! After all these years..."but does [ridiculously incongruous device] run Linux?" is actually on-topic!

      AND a first post, too! :) This post merits to be included in the Wikipedia slashdot article!

    8. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if this particular project also uses Linux but NASA has said goodbye to Windows as a development platform for any new projects. A number of projects are running various real-time versions of Linux and many are running fairly standard Linux systems so, yes, there is a good chance it will run Linux.

    9. Re:You KNEW this was coming by javiercr · · Score: 1

      Since this thing jumps and crashes and jumps and crashes (etc etc)... I would think Windows is more suitable for the task :)

    10. Re:You KNEW this was coming by jimboisbored · · Score: 1

      Nope, In space Linux runs on you.

    11. Re:You KNEW this was coming by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 1

      Apparently, all the all the longstanding overused jokes from slashdot are going to condense into coherent statements in this single thread.

      This must the long awaited golden thread. The one thread to bind them all. The one thread to rule the world.

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    12. Re:You KNEW this was coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penguins are the best, the following is a cool, free, silly fun penguin website. http://penguins.servehttp.com/

  2. Whoa by cached · · Score: 1, Funny

    The lander sits on four legs, much like a small version of the original landers that brought astronauts to the moon. The squat, compact unit has a few tiny jump boosters protruding below and on its sides and looks nothing like an actual penguin. This looks just like my my linux box sitting on my table.

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  3. Great by CalcMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    A penguin with gas.

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In space no one can hear you fart.

    2. Re:Great by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > A penguin with gas.

      As opposed to a penguin that had just stuffed itself with herring, you would prefer a penguin that had just gotten laid?

      (Well, maybe you do, but it's not politic, so maybe you shouldn't.)

    3. Re:Great by timelorde · · Score: 1

      I'd bet real money that there's an old Bloom County cartoon that would make an appropriate logo...

  4. yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not that it could tip over on one of the landings , cause thats the easy part.

  5. ill avoid the linux jokes... by tont0r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but am i the only one that is wondering why a penguin??? its cute, but wouldnt a 'rover' type thing do just fine? id really like for NASA to be more concerned with experiments and whatnot rather than what animal to choose for its fun space trip to the moon.

    1. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by diamondmagic · · Score: 1

      If you have even bothered to read the story, you would see that it (and I quote) sits on four legs, much like a small version of the original landers that brought astronauts to the moon.

    2. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please RTFA.

      It's only called the Penguin because it was originally designed to explore the south pole of the moon to search for ice.

      Penguins are native only to the Antarctic region (near the South Pole) here on Earth.

      I don't know where they are native to on other planets.

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    3. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

      A dark vision of the future unfolds... as robotic penguins are armed with weapons and tools to build and defend a base on the moon. A bug in the AI software and unforseen consequences of an intense solar radiation storm disrupts the communication between the moon base and NASA's Earth-based monitoring station and changes the course of human history forever... when communication is restored the penguin robots have become autonomous... they begin mining the moon, and replicating themselves... in six months time they have developed a craft to return them to Earth... and then... the hoardes descend on the helpless planet...

      March of the Penguins II: The Reckoning (only in Theaters - Summer 2008)

    4. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by spun · · Score: 3, Informative

      Penguins live in many more regions in the southern hemisphere than just the antarctic. Here is a nice little interactive map of penguin habitats around the world. Looks like a school project of some sort, but it is the first page returned in a google search for penguins and it looks pretty informative. My favorite are the Macaroni penguins. Penguins with mullets, what could be cooler?

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    5. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by CaptDeuce · · Score: 1
      Please RTFA.

      I did:

      The unmanned lunar device, in development for two years, is 3 feet tall and weighs approximately 230 pounds. It "hops" by reigniting small propulsion engines.

      Penguin? Sounds a lot more like a blast-ended skrewt to me.

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    6. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by betelgeuse-4 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Penguins aren't only native to the Antartic region, they're found as far north as the Galápagos Islands which are only just south of the equator. (See Wikipedia)

    7. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by podperson · · Score: 1

      This is depressing news for the penguins living in or near NZ, Australia, Africa, and the Galapagos islands.

    8. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Andrewkov · · Score: 1
      but am i the only one that is wondering why a penguin???

      Originally it was going to be marching lemmings, but jumping penguins is so much cooler!

    9. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      And the article explains why it is named the penguin, and that the name does not come from the physical appearance of it.

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    10. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info, and the clarification.

      And you're right, there could never be anything cooler than a penguin with a mullet... unless it also had a cameltoe.

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    11. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Funny
      From that page:
      Penguins do not live in the wild in any location in the Northern Hemisphere. This includes the continents of North America, Europe, and Asia. There are no penguins living in the wild in the Arctic regions of the North Pole. The only penguins living in the Northern Hemisphere are living in zoos or in wildlife displays. There are no penguins living in the wild in the Northern Hemisphere.
      So, do penguins live in the wild in the northern hemisphere?
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    12. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Penguins with mullets, what could be cooler?

      Penguins with porkchop sideburns, but that's about it.

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    13. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by ate50eggs · · Score: 1

      I think the current administration is really onto something here. when the earth gets too hot for penguins to survive, we'll just send them to the moon. it's pretty cold there.

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    14. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Sarlacc83 · · Score: 1

      Except of course the Galapagos Penguin which lives near the Equator, and the South Cape Penguin which lives in South Africa. And the penguins that live in Australia ( I forget their names). I think rock hopper penguins live on the coasts of South America. And Linux penguins..oh..no Linux jokes.

    15. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it was posted without thinking it through. But, the point remains the same. And thanks for repeating what the previous responders had said, you really added something to the discussion here.

      From the "important stuff" section you see when posting on slashdot:

      "Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. "

    16. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      nice one cyril... an indirect slashdotting...
      Connect failed

      Your request for http://www.siec.k12.in.us/~west/proj/penguins/mac. html could not be fulfilled, because the connection to www.siec.k12.in.us (165.138.1.1) could not be established.
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    17. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why is this funny? The grandparent post said
      Penguins live in many more regions in the southern hemisphere than just the antarctic.
      It seems that "regions in the southern hemisphere" would be the relevent part of that statement. Why would you think penguins live in the wild in the northern hemisphere?
    18. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Flying+Purple+Wombat · · Score: 1

      There are penquins native to Hoboken, NJ, according to this

      "Hoboken?!?! Ooooh, I'm dying!" - Bugs Bunny

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    19. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Penguins are interesting animals. The most interesting fact is that penguins are the only mammals in the world that can fly, hence the suitability for this project.

    20. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by ozbird · · Score: 1

      Penguins with mullets, what could be cooler?

      Penguins with herrings?

    21. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by pcnetworx1 · · Score: 2, Funny
      On the day of 9/1/05 at the school...

      Teacher: WHY IS THE NETWORK DOWN? I CANNOT SEE ANY GRADES, MY EMAIL, OR INFECT THE SCHOOL NETWORK TODAY!

      Jimmy: It was me teacher.

      Teacher: Jimmy, what did you do!

      (IT guy running in with a burned up server held by those tongs from chemistry)

      IT Guy: We've located why the network has slowed down. *gulp* We've been slashdotted

      Teacher: Not, not, but...

      IT Guy: It was.

      Teacher: JIMMY YOU ARE GOING TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AND CLEANING UP THIS MESS, AND I DON'T MEAN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMIN EITHER! STRAIGHT TO THE BOFH FOR YOU!!

      Jimmy: Anything but that, please, all I did was make a site about penguins!

      IT Guy: Oh penguins, thats where it all begins...

    22. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is a joke funny? Why are some people unable to find humor in things? Some things just are.

      (since you can't kill a joke for the humorless, I'll commit the faux paus of explaining it: the humor is in how one could read the quoted paragraph and still have a question about whether penguins lived in the north pole. Personally, I'm still undecided on the subject. nyuk nyuk.)

    23. Re:ill avoid the linux jokes... by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0
      Penguins with mullets, what could be cooler?

      I don't know, penguins with lasers on their heads?

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  6. Trademark by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 0

    I just hope that the engineers were forward-thinking enough to have trademarked the penguin.

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    1. Re:Trademark by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Yeah a trademark. You are brilliant.

    2. Re:Trademark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right, so if anybody else makes a moon hopper they can't call it a Penguin.

      Is it just me, or has the mean IQ of /.'s readers steadily decreased in the last few years?

      (this post's mind-reading capcha is "perplex." How do they DO that???)

  7. Not by Spodlink05 · · Score: 0, Troll

    President Bush also cut NASA funding. They can't even get the shuttle into space without it falling to bits, despite a $1bn re-fit.

    I won't hold my breath.

    1. Re:Not by wtmcgee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does Bush have to do with NASA's inability to repair debris issues on the shuttle?

      Would throwing another billion at the problem have changed the outcome? No. Sorry, I despise Bush as much as the next guy but at a certain point, the "bush sucks" rhetoric gets old.

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    2. Re:Not by meinders · · Score: 1

      Ya... and the same stupid piece of styrofoam fell off again.

    3. Re:Not by Spodlink05 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What does Bush have to do with NASA's inability to repair debris issues on the shuttle?

      Where did I say he did?

      Would throwing another billion at the problem have changed the outcome? No. Sorry, I despise Bush as much as the next guy but at a certain point, the "bush sucks" rhetoric gets old.

      What anti-Bush rhetoric? The article summary said Bush had re-focused on the moon,mars and beyond. I simply pointed that Bush had cut NASA spending, which is a fact.

      Neither did I suggest spending more money on the shuttle would solve the problem, it was just an example of the state of the current space program, i.e. not good.

    4. Re:Not by Yanray · · Score: 1

      I believe the problem came with the indiscrimate use of the word "they". Don't worry gets NPR and NYT's in trouble all the time.

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    5. Re:Not by khallow · · Score: 1
      What anti-Bush rhetoric? The article summary said Bush had re-focused on the moon,mars and beyond. I simply pointed that Bush had cut NASA spending, which is a fact.

      But he hasn't cut NASA spending. It went up from $16.2 billion in 2004-5 to $16.45 billion in 2005-6. That might not have kept up with inflation, but it's not a cut.

    6. Re:Not by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      but at a certain point, the "bush sucks" rhetoric gets old

      That point will be when there are no more Bushes in the White House. That means you too, JEB.


      -Colin

    7. Re:Not by sapped · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I despise Bush as much as the next guy but at a certain point, the "bush sucks" rhetoric gets old.

      Actually I think the "next guy" despises Bush more if the rhetoric hasn't gotten old for him yet.

    8. Re:Not by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If it's not keeping up with inflation, it IS a cut.

    9. Re:Not by blueturffan · · Score: 1
      If it's not keeping up with inflation, it IS a cut.

      If I make the same salary in 2005 that I did in 2004, does that mean I took a pay cut? If "deflation" were to occur, but I made the same salary year over year, would that mean I actually got a raise?

  8. Which weapon, now? by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA: The Lunar Penguin, originally intended to land on the south pole of the moon to search for ice, is based on tactical weapons technologies, which should make it much more affordable, Raytheon said

    Just curious what booster-powered hopping weapons system Raytheon has been working on lately, and if they have lasers strapped to their heads or what.

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    1. Re:Which weapon, now? by -Grover · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everyone should know by now that it does NOT have laser beams attached to it's head. That technology is reserved for Sharks, and possibly ill tempered sea bass.

    2. Re:Which weapon, now? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Sheesh,

      Sharks get lasers strapped on their heads.

      Penguins get missiles strapped to their backs.

      Let's not confuse our movie villains.

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    3. Re:Which weapon, now? by floormasn56 · · Score: 1

      That would be STAR WARS. sounds like "smart bullet" tech

    4. Re:Which weapon, now? by mikeee · · Score: 1

      Sounds a bit like the self-healing minefield, an anti-tank minefield that has a built in mesh network (!) and shuffles mines around to fill in gaps.

      No word if it runs Linux, though.

    5. Re:Which weapon, now? by DisownedSky · · Score: 1

      There were gizmos like this devised for Missile Defense (aka Star Wars). They were remarkably agile little things. The key technology is the thrusters that can be pulses with finesse.

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  9. Name for the Machine? by -Grover · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally I like

    Lunar Terrestrial Unmanned Excursion.

    Lunar TUX :)

    1. Re:Name for the Machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jesus the thing weighs 230 lbs and is only 3ft tall, they should call it Fatass rather than Penguin.

  10. Huh? by skelly33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A robotic pre-cursor to manned moon landings? Why?

    We were able to do manned moon landings for almost 40 years ago; has our know-how diminished, or are we just less determined than we used to be?

    1. Re:Huh? by justin12345 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I take off my tin foil hat, I hear voices that tell me that the landings were faked. ;-)

      Seriously though, I think the somewhat hair-brained presidential directive involves building a base there. Stands to reason a "jump jet" vehicle would be useful in that.

      And finally, to get on my soap box: A lunar outpost and manned martian exploration really isn't that bad of an idea. Sure, they are arbitrary goals that could be done via robotics, but so was landing on the Moon in the first place. Its not like we didn't know what we would find. Doing things the hard way leads to problems, which lead to innovation. I for one would like more Velcro and Tang.

      Space exploration is an example of humanity at its best. People who bitch about the cost should instead be bitching about our crazy defense budget, much of which goes to maintaining obsolete weapons that no one thinks will ever be even slightly useful again.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know most people around here could use some more Tang.

    3. Re:Huh? by ghukov · · Score: 0

      A robot won't complain about the lack of oxygen or food. I can see how this mini lunar lander would prove to be quite useful for negotiating rough terrain and extended work hours.

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    4. Re:Huh? by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      I agree with you about a lunar base. I'm also interested in exploring the moon as a possible launch base for deep space vehicles. I can imagine that the obstacles neededto overcome deep space launches from the moon are easily offset by the reduced structural stress incurred from having to launch from earth's gravity.

      We can build modular components on earth, assemble and launch from the moon. Hypothetically, we can even field extraterrestrial materials retrieved from foreign bodies on the moon before clearing them for earthbound research (although, I guess if we've bought it back this far, particulate matter would end up on earth anyway) It just makes a lot of sense.

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    5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would this be of the Wu variety, because I, for one, have certainly had enough of that.

    6. Re:Huh? by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      Robots are cheap and when they die no one sheds a tear except the contractor that has to fight for his job once again.

      NASA now realizes that they can send a lot more robots into space than humans. It's more cost effective and it's safer. Of course humans will probably be needed down the road for exploration but it's not cheap.

    7. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has our know-how diminished, or are we just less determined than we used to be?
      Short answers: No, and yes.

  11. Someone's gotta do it... by KC7GR · · Score: 1, Funny

    Would someone please grab a generic image of Tux, and outfit him with a space suit and pogo stick, please? Preferably against a lunar backdrop? I'm away from my Photoshop-equipped system at the moment or I'd give it a shot.

    Keep the peace(es).

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    1. Re:Someone's gotta do it... by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:Someone's gotta do it... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 0, Troll
      Would someone please grab a generic image of Tux, and outfit him with a space suit and pogo stick, please? Preferably against a lunar backdrop?

      I think you're looking for Fark. Go down the Internet Superhighway and take the Asshat exit. Turn right onto Domo Kum Lane and then an immediate left onto Adm. Akbar Highway (watch out for the speedtrap). After you pass by Killing-Kittens Field it will be right there on Squirrel Nuts Rd.

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    3. Re:Someone's gotta do it... by Shakes268 · · Score: 1

      Can we also have him being blown to bits while encountering a alien that shoots LASER beams out of his eyes? Maybe like a lunar land shark?

  12. Affordable? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The Lunar Penguin, originally intended to land on the south pole of the moon to search for ice, is based on tactical weapons technologies, which should make it much more affordable, Raytheon said, without disclosing a price.

    See how much great stuff comes out of military research? This is why all you tech-happy people should support increased military funding, instead of something so silly as direct funding of research.

    Seriously, this is much more affordable only because we've already paid for the research. That's like a waiter saying, "Your meal will be 10% off, because you gave us the chicken we made it out of."

    It's great that we can apply some of our military tech to space / lunar exploration. But don't say it's more affordable just because we already paid for it.

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    1. Re:Affordable? by notdanielp · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Seriously, this is much more affordable only because we've already paid for the research.
      Not entirely. It can also be more affordable if the manufacturing processes for these tactical weapons technologies are already active. Which is cheaper, a production run off of an existing assembly line or building a new factory and then doing a single run?

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    2. Re:Affordable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You troll. You also paid for the DARPA-created Internet. Is that making it cheaper for you to get your broadband?

    3. Re:Affordable? by Datamonstar · · Score: 1

      Dude, everyone knows that Al Gore created the Internet. Who's the troll now?

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    4. Re:Affordable? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected.

      But, there's also some consideration as to whether designing around existing components can be more expensive. Sometimes a top-down design, even with limited production runs, can be cheaper to manufacture. Hopefully not in this case, if it was designed well.

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    5. Re:Affordable? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Affordable? by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Where do you think DARPA gets their funding?

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  13. Russian rovers still hold traverse record by peter303 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Despite the NASAs great results with their three successful Mars rovers, the two Russian Lunokhods still hold the distance records covering about 30 miles together, or an order of magnitude more than the Martian rovers. The Moon is near enough to allow interactive control of surface robots, unlike Mars.

    Of course many of us would like to see dozens of rovers crawling all over the planets and moons. The cost of the International Space Station would have funded over 200 rovers.

    1. Re:Russian rovers still hold traverse record by Epistax · · Score: 1

      Only 200? That seems low to me. Can we confirm this number? I'm hoping that rover #100 would cost almost an order of magnitude less than rover #1.

    2. Re:Russian rovers still hold traverse record by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 1

      Not to belittle the worthiness of the Russian rovers, but total distance traveled is a rather useless metric of the actual value of the mission. If someone sent a probe to the moon that did nothing but scoot around for 31 miles, would it mean it was a "better" mission than the Lunokhods?

      The value of the mission is directly proportional to the amount of scientific enlightenment derived from it, not the mileage on the odometer.

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    3. Re:Russian rovers still hold traverse record by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Well, the three LRVs did over 50 miles...

    4. Re:Russian rovers still hold traverse record by peter303 · · Score: 1

      I was comparing $90G for ISS versus $0.4G for each MER rover. If rovers are "mass-produced" then their price would decline.

  14. Damn movie sequels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It never fails that Hollywood will always ruin good movies with really crappy sequels. I can just see it now:
    "March of the Penguins 2: Electric Boogaloo: In Space"

  15. ..Obligatory online game link. by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 1
  16. The Joker by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    Some people call me the space Penguin, yeah Some call me the gangster of love Some people call me maurice Cause I speak of the pompitous of love

    -not steve miller

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  17. encapsulation by milktoastman · · Score: 3, Funny
    I bet no one will get this reference...it's obscure and irrelevant...but I'm curious just to see if anyone is as nerdy as me.

    "Make it jump with its flippers extended, like a friendly gesture."

    "I don't know, the sight of that robot penguin jumping toward me with flippers extended would scare the piss out of me."

    "Good point"

    1. Re:encapsulation by republican+gourd · · Score: 1

      2001, Arthur C Clark. In reference to approaching the monolith with the Pod's arms extended or folded back.

  18. Answer... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Answer... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Informative
      Any further questions?

      Yes, did you check your link with Snopes.com? A simple search yields:

      http://www.snopes.com/language/document/1895exam.h tm

    2. Re:Answer... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Well... as far as i can tell, snopes does not even explain *why* this is false. Simply arguing that of course nobody is as trained as he was in school - what's self-evident - does still not mean that the document is "false".

      Or did i overlook something? ;)

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    3. Re:Answer... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      You're right. What Snopes says is that the exam "demonstrates a shocking decline in educational standards" is "false". The exam presented is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, Kansas. Snopes' argument is that unless you're (recently) steeped in the subject matter, you couldn't pass the test - which is true enough - I know I couldn't pass one of my daughter's geometry exams, but I once could have.

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  19. "In your face, Space Penguin!" by Panaphonix · · Score: 1

    Marge: "Space Penguin?"

    1. Re:"In your face, Space Penguin!" by Deodat · · Score: 0

      No... Space Coyote. Get it right!
      Oh wait... I get it....
      Sort of...

  20. Smoke 'Em Out by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1, Troll

    Yeah, Bush mouthed some words (dyslexized, no doubt) about sending Americans to Mars. He certainly got some naive geek votes for that soundbyte. So why would he actually spend any time or money on an actual Mars program, now that he's already reaped all the political capital he can use? Why should he do any more to back up his promise than Bush Sr did when he made the same Mars promise 15 years earlier? Why should Bush expect to be accountable for that promise, when 40% of the country is letting him off his promises to win in Iraq, to capture Osama ("dead or alive"), to be the "Education President", to stimulate the economy, to "return integrity" to the White House, to "unite, not divide" the country, to even be able to read his scripts right?

    He promised us Mars, and we've got a dubious Shuttle program and visions of a 250lb hopping Lunar probe? Look, how much stupidity can we take before we all have to devalue our IQ points like a Mexican peso?

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    1. Re:Smoke 'Em Out by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Moderation -1
          30% Troll
          40% Flamebait
          30% Insightful

      You TrollMods are a bunch of pussies. You talk tough all the time about war, and sacrifice, and the "tough love" of "compassionate conservatism". What a crock. You're a bunch of cowards, hiding behind the fascist Republican Party, which does the dirty work they've conned you into doing. Which mostly damages you, and benefits some Republican operative. You sleazy rightwing TrollMods don't even have the guts to argue with someone's post on Slashdot. You just call it a "Troll", which to you means "scary monster", not the actual Internet jargon meaning. Mod the post (incorrectly) as "Offtopic", if you dare. But these "Troll" and "Flamebait" mods just show what pussies you are, when someone says something that calls your boys on their BS. You are beneath contempt.

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    2. Re:Smoke 'Em Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there wasn't an 'Asshat' option, so we did the best we could.

      You're welcome.

    3. Re:Smoke 'Em Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You often post interesting, informative and insightful posts and I wonder to myself why I haven't added you as a friend when I read them.

      And then you post political hysteria like this and I remember why, and the sad part is you're not even joking, you're serious.

      If you wonder why Bush is in office take a good long look at your own behaviour and try to understand.

      Kind regards
      Bush supporter

    4. Re:Smoke 'Em Out by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      "Freeper" is worse than "asshat". Freeper.

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    5. Re:Smoke 'Em Out by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Bush and his mindless repressive supporters piss off smart people, and that's why he's in office? Because Bush voters vote for the dangerous moron to piss off smart people? Thanks - if I'd said something like that, some TrollMod would have modded it down, or some Anonymous Republican Coward would have called it "political hysteria". Don't worry, I don't miss your "friendship".

      You should wonder more about why you don't understand that my post is passionate and angry because Bush is a total catastrophe. I'm generally pretty smart and insightful, but seeing Bush for what he is doesn't take much brains. It just takes a willingness to see past the propaganda. Right now you've got another chance. Make of it what you will - it's really nothing to me how much you gain from it. Although fewer people voting for the propaganda, or to "beat the Bush bashers", would make my world a little better.

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  21. Heck, the Soviets did it too, and long ago by ianscot · · Score: 1
    The history of Soviet robotic lunar explorers also seems a little redundant, no? Presumably these Penguins would be for more than simple exploration?

    Still, the idea of mimicking natural forms has a certain appeal. Evolution is a heck of an interesting engineer, even if billions of years of work result in kludges like the human nose. Designs like the penguin are amazingly successful in harsh environments. (I only hope Morgan "Easy Reader" Freeman narrates the launches.)

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  22. You have to wonder... by lost+in+place · · Score: 4, Funny
    You have to wonder how many other animals they considered before deciding that a 250 lb rocket propelled vehicle was anything like a penguin. So...

    TOP 5 NAMES SUGGESTED BY RAYTHEON ENGINEERS BEFORE THEIR PR DEPT TOOK OVER:
    1. Giant Flying Cockroach
    2. Big Flying Rat, Mark I
    3. Lunar Kangaroo
    4. Rocket-propelled Barrel-o-Electronics
    5. Flatulent R2D2
    1. Re:You have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kirsty Alley

    2. Re:You have to wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That'd require an Orion style booster.

    3. Re:You have to wonder... by djward · · Score: 1

      Flatulent R2D2

      You mean Fartoo Detoo?

  23. March of Penguins... by rovingeyes · · Score: 1

    Damn these creatures can march anywhere!

  24. Because swimming is so convenient on the moon by ianscot · · Score: 1
    Naturally it's called that because it was supposed to look for ice at the poles -- but, you know, you'd think if we were going to mimic the penguin, we'd want to imitate it in its element. Penguins survive harsh environments standing up and waddling around, okay, but they're basically jet fighters underwater. We take a look and decide to imitate the waddling, clumsy version.

    Please, make it slide around on its belly instead.

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  25. jumping around by javiercr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The risks involved in all those small take offs and landings are probably too high.

    Also, we are not looking for life in the moon, we already have lunar rocks, what the point of jumping around the moon?

    We should a) get a cheap and reliable way to get to space b) build a base on the moon and explore other planets.

  26. March of the Lunar Pengiuns by tont0r · · Score: 2, Funny

    the Lunar Penguin, originally intended to land on the south pole of the moon to search for ice, is based on tactical weapons technologies, which should make it much more affordable, Raytheon said

    Coming with face melting lasers to a theater near you.

  27. Damn them... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

    I can see the conspiracy forming already... send *penguin* to another planet, but have it secretly running Windows. Wait til it crashes and BSOD's, then tell the world it was running Linux. This is the next logical step for the Get The Facts campaign. First you smear Linux worldwide, the globally. Those bastards...

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    1. Re:Damn them... by cnerd2025 · · Score: 1

      Then they'll say "Sorry, guys. We mixed up meters and feet..." Fucking Windows...

    2. Re:Damn them... by gadgetman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but why would they make it secretly run Windows. That would involve a tremendous amount of work just to get Windows to run on that hardware I'm sure. Then who knows when it will crash.

      If they put Linux on it then they can look at the source and modify it so they can control when it crashes, even at their own command.

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    3. Re:Damn them... by iceanfire · · Score: 1

      worldwide==globally

    4. Re:Damn them... by chochos · · Score: 1
      worldwide, the globally
      I think you mean "interplanetarily". Although I could have just made that word up.
    5. Re:Damn them... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

      Um... good point. I meant something along of interplanetary as was mentioned, though gallactically or universally might be a better option. Then again, universally would be an unintended pun...

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  28. NASA uses battle-tested Wind River UNIX by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    NASA has been using a version of realtime UNIX called VxWorks from Wind River in many of its space probes and robots. It has been evolving for decades along with various NASA probes. Its not perfect, having brought down the rovers for a couple weeks with a thread blocking problem. But it has been field tested for a long time.

    1. Re:NASA uses battle-tested Wind River UNIX by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      vxWorks is based on the UNIX pre-emptive tasking model but is has evolved way past that. The Real-Time UNIX stamdard is actually called POSIX. VxWorks is a great product, I wrote code for embedded systems using that as the OS for many years. Of course it has to be "customized" to the processor and peripherals via a Board Support Package, so it's not "plug and pray". Lately they (Wind River) have not been doing to well financially, I think Windows CE is hurting thier market.

  29. It's a ploy. by Sandbox+Conspiracy · · Score: 2, Funny

    The guys and gals down at Lunar Linux are grinning maliciously at the success of their propaganda scheme to encourage poor schmucks like me to post links to their project on /. in a desparate attempt to get +5 mod points.

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  30. Scene in the Oval Office: by DarkHand · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can see how it went down:

    Scientist: "Mr. President, we have a number of new designs for our next Mars probe. Utilizing various state of the art metallurgy processes and the most advanced..."

    Bush: "Can the scientologist mumbo jumbo, Doc."

    Scientist: "::sigh:: This one looks like a penguin."

    Bush: "Ooh, a penguin? Heh heh, I like penguins. Approved!"

    1. Re:Scene in the Oval Office: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe, "What, like in that movie? Cool!"

    2. Re:Scene in the Oval Office: by cnerd2025 · · Score: 1

      Bush: "Turd Blossom! Turd Blossom!!! I'm not gonna fire you for leakin' the CIA guy's name, but I'm puttin' you in charge of::unnaturally long pause::space penguin. We're gonna blast Terror from beyond the planet and go to the moon. What can bin Laden do then? Hi-jack a spaceship, heh heh. And we'll call it penguin so that all those Linux folks'll think that it's Linux, but then we can reveal that they are truly terr(or)ists trying to attack my personal lover, Bill Gates. Then I'll be guarenteed a political office after I leave this Oval one."

    3. Re:Scene in the Oval Office: by Federico2 · · Score: 1

      Scientist: "Mr. President, we have a number of new designs for our next Mars probe. Utilizing various state of the art metallurgy processes and the most advanced..."

      Bush: "Are there terrorists? On Mars? I always thought so!"

  31. Mm.. by Armourergeek · · Score: 1

    You had me at "Space Penguin"

  32. AAAH! THANK YOU FOR PLAYING.... by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

    The correct reference is "2010: The Year We Make Contact". Starring Roy Scheider (of Jaws Fame) and featuring the Russian exploration craft, The Leonov. However, being that it is the sequal to 2001 and the author of the book the movie is based on is indeed Arthur C. Clarke, you do get partial credit..."F".

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  33. Speaking of Linux Jokes by Ingolfke · · Score: 4, Funny

    Q: What's the difference between maggots and Linux zealots?

    A: Maggots love open sores.

    To the moderators: This post could be considered to be Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, or Offensive. Please moderate +1 Funny... understanding that we all need to laugh at ourselves and few bad puns ever once in awhile

  34. Furthermore... by jd · · Score: 1

    ...if you had a Beowulf cluster of these and they all hopped at the same time, could they alter the orbit of the moon?

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  35. More desctiptive name for the probe... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    Let's see, short and squat with protruding spindly legs and it moved be periodically expelling gas from "jump jets".

    Sound like they should call it the "Barking Spider" lander.

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  36. you forgot the line.. by tont0r · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bush: "Put some lasers on it and you got a deal!"

    Scientist: "::sigh::"

  37. Re:Space Penguin... by ch-chuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tough life - there's only 1 minute difference between (+5, Funny) and (1, Redundant).

    Better luck next time.

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  38. Everybosy on Slashdot... by williamyf · · Score: 1

    ... on my mark say [Imitatim Homer Jay Simpson's voice]:

    UHMMMMM Penguin!

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  39. Did Someone Say Spaced Penguin!? by enkafan · · Score: 1

    Hopefully they have a better plan than a ruber band sling shot. I also hope they don't try to get the penguin in a loop around the moon trying to maximize the distance before he gets back to the shuttle. http://www.bigideafun.com/penguins/arcade/spaced_p enguin/default.htm

  40. Why Not ? by r3ydium · · Score: 1

    Why not just send a man to the moon ? Weve done it once - Why not again ? Maybe it was all a hoax

    1. Re:Why Not ? by javiercr · · Score: 1

      what's the challenge, they did that already...but a penguin..that's exiciting :)

    2. Re:Why Not ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Maybe" it was all a hoax? I'd say logically it was all a hoax.

  41. Urge to save money reportedly behind by Donny+Smith · · Score: 0

    Q: Mr. President, why does this box run Linux?

    A: Well, we figured that we didn't want to get ripped off by some proprietary software vendor
    See, the box originally cost us US$70m, and after we switched to the free Linux OS, we only needed to spend US$69.99m!

  42. Re:Space Penguin... by halivar · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Amazing how if you'd posted one minute earlier, you'd be (+5, Funny) instead of (1, Redundant).

    I wonder how many people have posted something along these lines while I was composing this post.

  43. Where was Raytheon in 1991? by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    In 1991 I went to work at E'Prime Aerospace as VP of Public Affairs getting the first Ka-band satellite license issued. While doing that work it occurred to me that the MX-missile warhead bus we were using as the basis of the Norstar satellite could, with minor modifications, be turned into a lunar lander that could hop around the lunar surface.

    We did a study of the tankage sizing changes required and a few other features and actually got some quotes back from some of the contractors. It would have been a relatively cheap mission, about the same as a geostationary satellite launch.

    I don't recall whether Raytheon was one of the contractors we contacted for pricing.

    1. Re:Where was Raytheon in 1991? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What were you goign to use it for? Sending the Jews to the moon?

    2. Re:Where was Raytheon in 1991? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See what makes people love Jews: stealing others' ideas, anonymous taunts, and dyslexia.

  44. Space Batman to Follow by JLavezzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Scientists expect to deploy a Space Batman to thwart any crimes attempted by the Space Penguin. The Governor of California may come to the defense of the Penguin.

    1. Re:Space Batman to Follow by Comboman · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new Space Penguin overlords.

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  45. For that matter... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    If you did have a Beowulf cluster of these sharing a RAID, and the RAID got corrupted, would you end up with a Beowulf cluster fsck?

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  46. Space Taxi?? by hotwatermusic · · Score: 0

    "Since we could set it down in such a precise location, the Penguin could be the delivery vehicle for the science community," hey taxi! pad five please.

  47. Anatomy of a Slashdot submission... by RobertKozak · · Score: 1

    1. Does it have a reference to a robot? CHECK

    2. Does it have a reference to space exploration? CHECK

    3. Does it reference Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica or will readers post about such references? CHECK

    4. Does it have a reference to a penguin? CHECK

    5. Does it bash Microsoft? PROBABLY

    6. Is it a dupe? WHO CARES?

    STATUS: PASSED.
    Submit as Slashdot story.

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  48. Credit the President by amightywind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    President Bush also cut NASA funding. They can't even get the shuttle into space without it falling to bits, despite a $1bn re-fit.

    The fact that we are even debating the post shuttle/ISS space program is a credit to President Bush. The 'failure' to fix the space shuttle is illusory. The shuttle performs consistent with its design. It's just that the design can never be safer than 1 failure in 100 launches. First it was the SRB O-rings, then frayed wiring, and latest ET foam. If it keeps flying some other problem will reveal itself.

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  49. You KNEW this was coming too!!! by CDMA_Demo · · Score: 1

    It definitely runs NetBSD

  50. Only if... by jd · · Score: 1

    ...it resulted in a robotic penguin orgy.

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  51. Bush to authorize Penguin by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    to kill Batman on the Moon.

    Sorry, it just seems appropriate.

    As to hopping, one would think this was more useful on the Moon than on Mars, as lunar gravity is much lower than martian gravity.

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  52. The moon is a strange place to look for penguins. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just sayin'.

  53. What I want to know is... by dim5 · · Score: 0
    The unmanned lunar device, in development for two years, is 3 feet tall and weighs approximately 230 pounds.
    This still doesn't give any hints about who will win the race to inhabit the moon... hobbits or jockeys?
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  54. However, in an independent report... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

    ...Microsoft CEO Bill Gates today stated that it would be far cheaper to fit giant Windows XP-powered rocket motors to the moon and fly it to Redmond, whereupon Steve Ballmer could hop around it in his shirt sleeves shouting "Developers, developers!"

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  55. eric hufschmid by kellybear42 · · Score: 1

    who is this guy and why are you all mad at each other

  56. Hah, space penguins by merikari · · Score: 2, Funny

    I first read the title as "Space Penguin Could Hop Around the Moon".

    No. Wait..

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  57. Of course it does by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny
    The title is "Space penguin could hop around moon." It could hop once someone designs a driver for its flippers, and assuming penguin_hop-0.2.7 is properly compiled (be sure to check for dependency errors). Oh yeah, and someone still needs to build support for the feet, so hopping will still be erratic. Any questions? RTFM. But the documents are only half done, so you're going to have to guess the rest by scanning the code for comments, but that's what open source is about, right?

    If the penguins were running OS X the title of this article would be "Space Penguin Hops Around Moon."

  58. Mentos Commercial... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if they will add these to the next itteration of that Mentos commercial with the squawking birds (some were penguins).

  59. come on now by Hoohoodilly · · Score: 1

    Let's stop jack-a-lackin around and send some humans back to the moon, not another probe. If we could get there multiple 35 years ago, there should be nothing stopping us now.

    It's time to end this conservativism in the space program and start taking risks again. I'm sure there are plenty of willing astronauts who would leap at a chance to man another mission to the moon. They know full well that every mission to space is a gamble with their lives. A mission to the moon is just a larger risk than LEO, but seems to cause the bureaucrats and politicians to freak out due to the recent shuttle tragedies. Which by the way wouldn't have happened if NASA were allowed to take risks and update their technology years ago.

    Maybe I'm just an insensitive clod, but that's my 2 cents.

  60. Going to the Moon is pointless by huge+colin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    All this "Let's go back to the Moon" stuff is just political nonsense to get support from the science-and-technology-oriented citizens.

    The first series of Moon landings were mainly done to show the Soviets that the US kicks ass and you don't. Mission accomplished. But now, we know that the moon is:

    (a) very expensive to travel to and land on,
    (b) completely unprotected from meteors,
    (c) totally not hospitable to Earth life, and
    (d) devoid of any particularly special minerals, ores, or anything else useful.

    What combination of those attributes indicates that we should go back?

    1. Re:Going to the Moon is pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      (e) has a *much* shallower gravity well for lifting raw materials or manufactured subcomponents for in space assembly of interplantery craft
      (f) has lower escape velocity than LEO

    2. Re:Going to the Moon is pointless by Bonhamme+Richard · · Score: 1
      I don't know why the parent was modded flaimbait, its true, if a little blunt.

      The original intent of the space program was to open another "front" in the Cold War. The USSR spent billions trying to beat us to the moon, which undoubtedly play a part in their economic collapse.

      We no longer have the Cold War to drive us to the moon, and the moon doesn't have any real appeal from an economic point of view. It has no raw materials to be mined, no strategic value, no real purpose to be there.

      I'm for space exploration as much as the next guy, but right now there isn't a good reason to put men on either the moon or Mars.

      It's too bad, I'd go.

    3. Re:Going to the Moon is pointless by huge+colin · · Score: 1

      (e) has a *much* shallower gravity well for lifting raw materials or manufactured subcomponents for in space assembly of interplantery craft
      (f) has lower escape velocity than LEO


      As I just pointed out, there's nothing on the moon. What good is the low gravity of the Moon if everything that you're lifting off of the Moon had to be lifted off Earth to be brought there in the first place?

  61. Moon Hopper from TV Century 21 by mikael · · Score: 1

    The lander sits on four legs, much like a small version of the original landers that brought astronauts to the moon. The squat, compact unit has a few tiny jump boosters protruding below and on its sides and looks nothing like an actual penguin.

    Perhaps it looks like the Moon hooper from Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons made by Century 21 (Not the real-estate people).

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  62. ET foam failure rate way up. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Related to the new (freon free) way they are applying foam to the external tank.

    But nobody in DC wants to talk about killing astronauts to 'save the ozone'.

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  63. Step 1 for base. Radiation shielding. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1
    So after you scout a good location I'd be looking for robotic hard rock miners to cut a tunnel and some living space in a lunar mountain. From what I read you'd want to be as far as practical from lunar dust (which is asbestos like) while being near some ice. I read that as a rockey area.

    I see a rock drill, something to load a charge and a small dozer blade to tamp and clear the slag later. Perhaps attached with cables to a power unit at the top of a cliff face.

    But I read too much scifi.

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  64. it is just part of being alive by mt1955 · · Score: 1

    The moon, New Orleans, whereever; life will always try to occupy every niche, even if it appears dangerous to do so.

  65. Military technology eh? by Billy+el+Bastardo · · Score: 1

    I, for one, Welcome our new Robotic Penguin Overlords.

  66. There's an entire book, in fact ... by ankhank · · Score: 1
  67. No pictures? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Informative

    How can you post a story about a lunar penguin with no pictures?

    I know penguins, and that, sir, is no penguin.

  68. Exclusive first pics! by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

    See the hopping moon penguin in a field test here!

  69. At least someTHING will have a job... by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

    At the Google Moonbase!

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  70. If money stays the same and things cost more by bxbaser · · Score: 1

    that mean you cannot purchase the same as last year, therefore some thing are "cut" from the budget as there is not enough money to buy them.

    1. Re:If money stays the same and things cost more by khallow · · Score: 1

      But we don't know if that's the situation with NASA. They probably are more driven by the Producer Price Index which in recent time has been lower than other measures of inflation.

  71. Use them as a base precursor... by CptNerd · · Score: 1

    Here's a funky idea (funky penguins!):

    I don't know how much these things can carry, but let's say they can carry 100 pounds/50 kilograms. Why not build a couple dozen or a hundred or so, pack each one with 50 kilos of consumables (ice, dried food, medical supplies, etc) and stagger-launch them so that they land in roughly the same area. Also equip them with the means of "homing" on each others' signals, and let them "swarm" together, maybe set them to swarm to the first one to land safely. It might take some time, but after a while you'd have (if you made 100 of them) about 5000 kilograms of consumables in one easily-accessed place, without having to launch the whole mess at once, and without risking the entire mission. If a few of the things get lost, or fail to land correctly, or can't "hop", etc, you're not out a whole lot, you might only have 4500 kilos of consumables but it wouldn't hurt as badly as losing the whole thing.

    Then you can launch a lighter human-rated lander, maybe with a habitat module, to land near the "flock" of "penguins" which will supply the consumbables for the mission. Shoot, you could even gather up the used ones to bring back to be recycled. People might even be able to track down the ones that got lost and recover what they were carrying.

    Sure, there are lots of holes, and there's no telling how much it would cost to build 100 of them, but surely if you used the same pattern, the same supplies etc. economies of scale would take over and the cost would come down.

    Well, anyway, that thought just came to me, and I figured I'd pass it on, now that there are so many other articles no one will read this!

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  72. incorrect icon by Kryptic+Knight · · Score: 1

    Somehow I was expecting the TUX icon not the MOON icon to be with this posting.

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  73. The irony... by halivar · · Score: 1

    Slashdot said my karma was excellent. Slashdot lied!

  74. Reminds me of some tank mines I saw in the 80ies.. by g.a.g · · Score: 1

    I've seen promotional (or were they instruction manual introductions?) videos with jumping anti-tank mines, which were launched by a medium range rocket system (MARS?). They were a little smaller than R2D2, would fall down from the rocket with small parachutes, and then fold out some metal strips as feet hinged at the bottom. Think of a flower, just upside down. They then would sit there and wait for tanks (or rather, the magnetic field associated with a tank) to come through the area, and would jump on these feet towards the tanks. The video looked like they could jump up to 5 m high, and maybe 10-20 m long, which on the moon would make quite a distance.
    It might be not too good for sensitive equipment though...

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