Well, Microsoft sure does NOT have a very good record of making a secure system and that record is over 15 years old. But regardless, one thing I was looking for was what/where this person did BEFORE Microsoft to see if there really might be some security talent there. That's when I found that she worked for @Stake before going to Microsoft( http://www.matasano.com/log/mtso/team ). This is the same @Stake which fired one of their own, their CTO no less, when he released a document which was NOT kind regarding Microsoft Windows security( http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/securi ty/story/0,10801,85563,00.html ).
So, I hope they actually had an expert to interview/test her because those two resume' items are NOT providing strength in any claim of being a security expert. IMO.
I found that I needed to use grayscale tif files for one and "output" is the output-filename where you'll get: outputFilename.raw #??? outputFilename.map # seems to be a location map of 0/1's where 1's are valid text and 0's aren't outputFilename.txt # the text from the OCR event
I also found that the tessdata directory did not get installed into the/usr/local/bin directory on "make install" and copied that directory from the build directory to get it to work.
Without "batch", it tries to bring up and X window but that just quickly goes away with no debug output.
they've already said they will be spending roughly $2 billion on marketing this fiscal year. I don't think that is any indication of them rolling over and taking it.
And I wonder how they original poster came up with the "hemorrhage" bit regarding marketshare. Outside of the MS Windows monopolies( OS, office suite ) they've done nothing but "hemorrhage" money. Xbox, MSN, WinCE, etc have all lost billions and billions over the years and the marketshare they were able to purchase just doesn't seem to have been lost to anybody except maybe in the phone/embedded sector.
you probably called it right with the 'giddy' label. But any success against MSFT is reason for short bits of giddiness but reality must return. Linux isn't going away, OSS isn't going away, and Microsoft isn't going away. IMO.
that sounds all well and good but what about the debugger and stepping through your code? For many, CLI gdb just isn't as easy as a graphical version( anyone remember PMgdb on OS/2-EMX? ) that'll bounce you to your source as you walk/step though the code.
IMO, at the very least, the debugger should integrate with the editor.
But then there's also the guys who want project and makefile auto-creation, library linking, etc.
I agree that the Newton product was terminated when it shouldn't have been but I would think that it was an unfortunate victim of Jobs attempt to stop the financial bleeding of Apple at that time. If you remember, Microsoft was spread FUD in the press about Apple Mac being killed off by the futuristic Windows 95 product. The public believed this and all but stopped purchasing Macs.
Regardless, if you believe that Palm was it's own reason for its lost marketshare, I think you are wrong. I knew people selling Palm products/accessories and Microsoft products/accessories and they pulled the plug on Palm stuff well before Palm lost much/any marketshare and wouldn't look at anythng unless it wasn't for WinCE. And just look at old data on losses to the WinCE division over the last 10 years. They posted losses of around $250 million per quarter for most of the 10 years of the product. So, adding in any income they might have collected from the productline and you've got a massive spending/marketing machine.
So while I agree that Palm did some really stupid things over the years, there is no company/product which can exist with a dominant marketshare when another is dumping over $1 billion per year into marketing it year after year. BTW, Netscape is another example of Microsoft spending its way into a dominant position. IMO.
Ganted, this only works for Microsoft where they can leverage the MS Windows OS monopoly. MS Zune is directly tied to MS Windows and Microsoft will leverage their OEM distribution channels as I mentioned earlier using 'marketing' kickbacks to keep the OEMs productline profitable even when few units are being purchased.
Sure they can unseat Apple, they just need to follow the same trail as with Palm. Microsoft can afford to lose $8-$10 billion on this too and in 5 years, who knows, Zune might have close to 50% marketshare and enough vendors willing to take the Microsoft payoffs to push Zune over 50% a few years later.
When you pay vendors to push your product with the cash Microsoft dumps on them, they can't afford to NOT 'sell' MS Zune. That also means that they can not afford to sell any other product like it either. Vendors can get 'hooked' on those marketing dollars and when they try to sell say a Linux device or Apple device, they learn how tough the MSFT habit has them hooked. IMO.
So the game has been played out before and it's the same 'nobody wins except the MS Windows monopoly' kind of ending. The only question I see is will it take 5 or 8 years?
Talk about the country moving in the wrong direction. What next Dubya, claiming democrocy will solve our problems in other countries? That would be a good one cause you know it's promoting tolerance, openness, love, and peace in the US. Right?
$25m is like $0.25 to Microsoft. If he thinks it'll even matter to MSFT then he's not aware of Microsofts monopoly position and their profit levels. If he'd asked around, he would have known that $125 - $250 is the standard payoff for stealing someones tech. Playing 'games' in court is also SOP for these guys. And payoffs are probably even built into their budgets. You know, the Payola Dept. IMO.
It was the DOJ vs MSFT case regarding Netscape/Internet browser but the quote was regarding Apple Quicktime and not Navigator. Too many Microsoft "kill" quotes to get them straight.;-)
And HERE is Microsofts power play. They can, and probably already did, contact these companies and persuaded them to not support OO.o or any ODF products. All done by a simple phone call or personal meeting( no records ) where Micrsoft people discuss how future versions of MS-Office or MS-Windows could have 'problems' with the companies screen readers is they support ODF products.
They've done something like this with HP in the last few years regarding Linux based products so don't think for a minute they won't protect the MS-Office monopoly also.
this is a problem since fat reduces the water holding capacity of the sack of skin holding the fat. This is surely going to make it much more difficult to keep up with the glacial melting and the rising tide. Good point.;-)
But, there is hope. China, India, etc have massive populations relative to the west and as these areas overtake western economic power, their creation rates should increase also. Thus, offsetting the SUVs full of fat packed sacks of skin in the west.
Watch what you SIGN and SAY because there's little proof anything good will come of this. And I doubt Microsoft is wanting to help the stepchild of the company(Netscape) whom Steve Balmer said, "kill the baby" to.
Nothing good can come of this so send the lawyers instead.
hey, it's good we'll be using up more of that excess water in biofuel production. And don't forget, we're also holding more water up in skin sacks of mostly water( people = ~80% newborns, ~55% adults ). So besides biofuel product helping to absorb all that extra H2O covering our planet from glacial ice melting, population growth is helping too.
~240,000 new people per day, avg ~8lb and ~80% water = 1,536,000 lbs of water or 184,172 gals of water each day being held up in tiny sacks of skin.
So it's all good.;-)
And don't forget, in the last 40 years, we've gone from 3b to 6b sacks of skin of mostly water. That's 3,000,000 * ~100lb *.55 / 8.34 = 19,784,172,661 gal of water stored instead of flowing around the planet. But with the increased rate of melting over the last couple of decades, we still might need a higher rate of tiny sacks of mostly water production. Geeks UNITE! Well, atleast try harder.;-)
I recently checked to see if anything new was happening around Microsofts FlexGo( MS-OLPC ) and found out that Lenovo is onboard FlexGo. And after reading how in 2000/2001 HP had to drop 2 Linux based products because they'd lose Microsoft marketing dollars on other products because of this... it's not surprising Lenovo is not pre-installing Linux. Atleast they say they'll provide support.
Thanks Ashcroft/Bush/DOJ for leveling the playing field.
The concept they present isn't worth the read IMO and if they were REALLY interested in a company not going anywhere outside their original market....well there's a company doing a far far better job at failing outside their core business.
Froogle is still there, just click the "more" link. BTW, Google Groups was where the current Video link is and for me, that's a bit of a pain since I use it often.
Not sure if Froogle really is that different from Googles main search technology since it's searching for product on e-stores. Don't really have an opinion on it being a failure or not.
That's what I was wondering about when India made that statement about how they'd be better off spending money on schools and teachers. You got to wonder how some of those kid who are getting a decent education in India would react if they were told their schools can't purchase computers because a village with 10 kids needs a school and a teacher. THAT is effectively what they said when they dissed OLPC.
It really shouldn't be and all-or-nothing proposal and you might think that OLPC should start marketing toward some of the wealther businesses in India instead of the government. I guess the 1 million quantity could seem too large but for India?
And it would seem like wealth would be relative to certain hubs and decrease as one moved further away from say large cities. In this case, it would be a case of improving the education in the appropriate 'wealth ring' such that with education comes wealth and therefore, wealth eventually moves up a notch if OLPC can help in a particular 'wealth ring'. I probably didn't say that very clearly but the idea is that if OLPC can help improve the wealth just outside a hub/city, it'll also improve the wealth outside of that area. IMO
Or we'll be seeing the press flooded with how B/M Gates Floundation is 'donating' Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office to schools and libraries. It could also be time for the MS-FlexGO FUD to start pouring out into the press. You know, the Pay-As-You-Go version of Micrososfts software on hardware which is locked down and disabled if you don't pay. IMO, this is going to be BillG's new job as he spends more time fighting OLPC and lets Steve and Ozzie move Microsoft toward finding some new way for them to make money somewhere besides the 20 year old WindowsPC market/monopoly.
Get ready, they're dumping a couple of billion bucks into marketing this year so it's going to be raining FUD soon.
It's doubtful but yet did the article mention how Microsoft has lost over $8 billion on WindowsCE/PocketPC/newNameHere? Add to that the billions lost so far on Xbox, MS Bob, MSN.com, MSNBC.com, MS TabletPC, etc and you realize the story should be about Microsoft and how they've not made any money off anything but the MS Windows OS and MS Office on the PC.
TFA wouldn't load(/.'ed? ) but I'll try again to see what the heck they are talking about. IMO, Google seems to be bringing in the bucks pretty consistantly and their new features are keeping many looking/staying with them. Google maps seems to be used quite commonly in the TV news business and I doubt THAT is free or not a profit base. IMO
if that is the case and they aren't even implementing support for non-conflicting methods, your listed motivations are far more likely to be closer to the truth than mine.
I wonder why more specific attacks on Microsofts 'standards efforts' with IE7 have not hit the presses. They have released betas already... It is pretty obvious that this latest bit is a marketing trick and nothing more. They comes out talking about how they've done so much work on standards compliance and then goes and says that most of the work is on bug fixes. Not to mention that the list of features tested in Acid2 test isn't the same list THEY are working on. Yet the press is pretty quite on this even when 'the web' is as huge as it is. Amazing.
yup and the funny part about this is that Microsoft has a fine line to walk because they 'painted' the line with their poor standards support in IE. On one hand they don't want to change their new browser so much that every existing web page needs fixing because that'll make IE7 look like it's broken and piss alot of businesses off. On the other hand, FireFox, Safari, and Opera are moving onto alot of desktops along with this new AJAX stuff exiting developers and customers alike.
So it's support standards and force their flock of lemmings to recode billions of pages or do a massive marketing blitz to say they are supporting the standards but don't do it and hope nobody notices.
Linuxdevices.com posted an article yesterday which stated it had/has WiFi support. Trolltechs spec page does not state it has WiFi. I would expect Trolltech to be correct but we can't be sure until either LinuxDevices correct their post or Trolltech changes their specs page.
I believe this phone will fall into the SmartPhone category and not the DumbPhone category most people buy into. While not in the majority, many do purchase more feature capable phones for many hundreds of bills and then enable it on one carrier or another. And as many have said already, it's GSM enabled to moving the SIM card to it from the DumbPhone should be all that's required.
It has potential IMO though I hope the USB interface is Host/Client enabled and not just a client port like the original Zaurus units.
I don't think the intention is to have Average Joe/Joan flashing their phone with new kernels or apps. From what I see of what this is, it's a way for Trolltech to try and get some more apps and maybe some fixes to the phone stack they provide FROM DEVELOPERS. And if someone comes up with a multiplayer volleyball game which sucks up airtime/minutes/data then the carriers will be all over this as their profits go up.
I also think that this is more like a tech demo / dev kit than something to expect to see at Walmart. But it sure would be nice if the phone is of good quality such that the press gets ahold of this and praises it. I don't expect ZiffDavis/Cnet/etc to do anything but pan it but there are others who'll review it for what it is or can be.
And for goodness sake, I hope the PIM apps are opensource instead of closed like the Sharp Zaurus was. It'll do no good to have 4 different addressbooks for the thing and 8 different calendars. IMO.
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Well, Microsoft sure does NOT have a very good record of making a secure system and that record is over 15 years old. But regardless, one thing I was looking for was what/where this person did BEFORE Microsoft to see if there really might be some security talent there. That's when I found that she worked for @Stake before going to Microsoft( http://www.matasano.com/log/mtso/team ). This is the same @Stake which fired one of their own, their CTO no less, when he released a document which was NOT kind regarding Microsoft Windows security( http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/securi ty/story/0,10801,85563,00.html ).
So, I hope they actually had an expert to interview/test her because those two resume' items are NOT providing strength in any claim of being a security expert. IMO.
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I found that I needed to use grayscale tif files for one and "output" is the output-filename where you'll get:
/usr/local/bin directory on "make install" and copied that directory from the build directory to get it to work.
outputFilename.raw #???
outputFilename.map # seems to be a location map of 0/1's where 1's are valid text and 0's aren't
outputFilename.txt # the text from the OCR event
I also found that the tessdata directory did not get installed into the
Without "batch", it tries to bring up and X window but that just quickly goes away with no debug output.
Usage: tesseract inputfile.tif [path/]outputfilename batch
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they've already said they will be spending roughly $2 billion on marketing this fiscal year. I don't think that is any indication of them rolling over and taking it.
And I wonder how they original poster came up with the "hemorrhage" bit regarding marketshare. Outside of the MS Windows monopolies( OS, office suite ) they've done nothing but "hemorrhage" money. Xbox, MSN, WinCE, etc have all lost billions and billions over the years and the marketshare they were able to purchase just doesn't seem to have been lost to anybody except maybe in the phone/embedded sector.
you probably called it right with the 'giddy' label. But any success against MSFT is reason for short bits of giddiness but reality must return. Linux isn't going away, OSS isn't going away, and Microsoft isn't going away. IMO.
LoB
that sounds all well and good but what about the debugger and stepping through your code? For many, CLI gdb just isn't as easy as a graphical version( anyone remember PMgdb on OS/2-EMX? ) that'll bounce you to your source as you walk/step though the code.
IMO, at the very least, the debugger should integrate with the editor.
But then there's also the guys who want project and makefile auto-creation, library linking, etc.
LoB
I agree that the Newton product was terminated when it shouldn't have been but I would think that it was an unfortunate victim of Jobs attempt to stop the financial bleeding of Apple at that time. If you remember, Microsoft was spread FUD in the press about Apple Mac being killed off by the futuristic Windows 95 product. The public believed this and all but stopped purchasing Macs.
Regardless, if you believe that Palm was it's own reason for its lost marketshare, I think you are wrong. I knew people selling Palm products/accessories and Microsoft products/accessories and they pulled the plug on Palm stuff well before Palm lost much/any marketshare and wouldn't look at anythng unless it wasn't for WinCE. And just look at old data on losses to the WinCE division over the last 10 years. They posted losses of around $250 million per quarter for most of the 10 years of the product. So, adding in any income they might have collected from the productline and you've got a massive spending/marketing machine.
So while I agree that Palm did some really stupid things over the years, there is no company/product which can exist with a dominant marketshare when another is dumping over $1 billion per year into marketing it year after year. BTW, Netscape is another example of Microsoft spending its way into a dominant position. IMO.
Ganted, this only works for Microsoft where they can leverage the MS Windows OS monopoly. MS Zune is directly tied to MS Windows and Microsoft will leverage their OEM distribution channels as I mentioned earlier using 'marketing' kickbacks to keep the OEMs productline profitable even when few units are being purchased.
LoB
Sure they can unseat Apple, they just need to follow the same trail as with Palm. Microsoft can afford to lose $8-$10 billion on this too and in 5 years, who knows, Zune might have close to 50% marketshare and enough vendors willing to take the Microsoft payoffs to push Zune over 50% a few years later.
When you pay vendors to push your product with the cash Microsoft dumps on them, they can't afford to NOT 'sell' MS Zune. That also means that they can not afford to sell any other product like it either. Vendors can get 'hooked' on those marketing dollars and when they try to sell say a Linux device or Apple device, they learn how tough the MSFT habit has them hooked. IMO.
So the game has been played out before and it's the same 'nobody wins except the MS Windows monopoly' kind of ending. The only question I see is will it take 5 or 8 years?
LoB
Talk about the country moving in the wrong direction. What next Dubya, claiming democrocy will solve our problems in other countries? That would be a good one cause you know it's promoting tolerance, openness, love, and peace in the US. Right?
LoB
$25m is like $0.25 to Microsoft. If he thinks it'll even matter to MSFT then he's not aware of Microsofts monopoly position and their profit levels. If he'd asked around, he would have known that $125 - $250 is the standard payoff for stealing someones tech. Playing 'games' in court is also SOP for these guys. And payoffs are probably even built into their budgets. You know, the Payola Dept. IMO.
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My mistake, thank you for pointing this out. Here's the link I found verifying this:
g term/microsoft/stories/1998/microsoft110698.htm
;-)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/lon
It was the DOJ vs MSFT case regarding Netscape/Internet browser but the quote was regarding Apple Quicktime and not Navigator. Too many Microsoft "kill" quotes to get them straight.
LoB
And HERE is Microsofts power play. They can, and probably already did, contact these companies and persuaded them to not support OO.o or any ODF products. All done by a simple phone call or personal meeting( no records ) where Micrsoft people discuss how future versions of MS-Office or MS-Windows could have 'problems' with the companies screen readers is they support ODF products.
They've done something like this with HP in the last few years regarding Linux based products so don't think for a minute they won't protect the MS-Office monopoly also.
LoB
this is a problem since fat reduces the water holding capacity of the sack of skin holding the fat. This is surely going to make it much more difficult to keep up with the glacial melting and the rising tide. Good point. ;-)
But, there is hope. China, India, etc have massive populations relative to the west and as these areas overtake western economic power, their creation rates should increase also. Thus, offsetting the SUVs full of fat packed sacks of skin in the west.
LoB
Watch what you SIGN and SAY because there's little proof anything good will come of this. And I doubt Microsoft is wanting to help the stepchild of the company(Netscape) whom Steve Balmer said, "kill the baby" to.
Nothing good can come of this so send the lawyers instead.
LoB
hey, it's good we'll be using up more of that excess water in biofuel production. And don't forget, we're also holding more water up in skin sacks of mostly water( people = ~80% newborns, ~55% adults ). So besides biofuel product helping to absorb all that extra H2O covering our planet from glacial ice melting, population growth is helping too.
;-)
.55 / 8.34 = 19,784,172,661 gal of water stored instead of flowing around the planet. But with the increased rate of melting over the last couple of decades, we still might need a higher rate of tiny sacks of mostly water production. Geeks UNITE! Well, atleast try harder. ;-)
~240,000 new people per day, avg ~8lb and ~80% water = 1,536,000 lbs of water or 184,172 gals of water each day being held up in tiny sacks of skin.
So it's all good.
And don't forget, in the last 40 years, we've gone from 3b to 6b sacks of skin of mostly water. That's 3,000,000 * ~100lb *
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I recently checked to see if anything new was happening around Microsofts FlexGo( MS-OLPC ) and found out that Lenovo is onboard FlexGo. And after reading how in 2000/2001 HP had to drop 2 Linux based products because they'd lose Microsoft marketing dollars on other products because of this... it's not surprising Lenovo is not pre-installing Linux. Atleast they say they'll provide support.
Thanks Ashcroft/Bush/DOJ for leveling the playing field.
LoB
The concept they present isn't worth the read IMO and if they were REALLY interested in a company not going anywhere outside their original market....well there's a company doing a far far better job at failing outside their core business.
LoB
Froogle is still there, just click the "more" link. BTW, Google Groups was where the current Video link is and for me, that's a bit of a pain since I use it often.
Not sure if Froogle really is that different from Googles main search technology since it's searching for product on e-stores. Don't really have an opinion on it being a failure or not.
LoB
That's what I was wondering about when India made that statement about how they'd be better off spending money on schools and teachers. You got to wonder how some of those kid who are getting a decent education in India would react if they were told their schools can't purchase computers because a village with 10 kids needs a school and a teacher. THAT is effectively what they said when they dissed OLPC.
It really shouldn't be and all-or-nothing proposal and you might think that OLPC should start marketing toward some of the wealther businesses in India instead of the government. I guess the 1 million quantity could seem too large but for India?
And it would seem like wealth would be relative to certain hubs and decrease as one moved further away from say large cities. In this case, it would be a case of improving the education in the appropriate 'wealth ring' such that with education comes wealth and therefore, wealth eventually moves up a notch if OLPC can help in a particular 'wealth ring'. I probably didn't say that very clearly but the idea is that if OLPC can help improve the wealth just outside a hub/city, it'll also improve the wealth outside of that area. IMO
LoB
Or we'll be seeing the press flooded with how B/M Gates Floundation is 'donating' Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office to schools and libraries. It could also be time for the MS-FlexGO FUD to start pouring out into the press. You know, the Pay-As-You-Go version of Micrososfts software on hardware which is locked down and disabled if you don't pay. IMO, this is going to be BillG's new job as he spends more time fighting OLPC and lets Steve and Ozzie move Microsoft toward finding some new way for them to make money somewhere besides the 20 year old WindowsPC market/monopoly.
Get ready, they're dumping a couple of billion bucks into marketing this year so it's going to be raining FUD soon.
LoB
It's doubtful but yet did the article mention how Microsoft has lost over $8 billion on WindowsCE/PocketPC/newNameHere? Add to that the billions lost so far on Xbox, MS Bob, MSN.com, MSNBC.com, MS TabletPC, etc and you realize the story should be about Microsoft and how they've not made any money off anything but the MS Windows OS and MS Office on the PC.
/.'ed? ) but I'll try again to see what the heck they are talking about. IMO, Google seems to be bringing in the bucks pretty consistantly and their new features are keeping many looking/staying with them. Google maps seems to be used quite commonly in the TV news business and I doubt THAT is free or not a profit base. IMO
TFA wouldn't load(
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if that is the case and they aren't even implementing support for non-conflicting methods, your listed motivations are far more likely to be closer to the truth than mine.
I wonder why more specific attacks on Microsofts 'standards efforts' with IE7 have not hit the presses. They have released betas already... It is pretty obvious that this latest bit is a marketing trick and nothing more. They comes out talking about how they've done so much work on standards compliance and then goes and says that most of the work is on bug fixes. Not to mention that the list of features tested in Acid2 test isn't the same list THEY are working on. Yet the press is pretty quite on this even when 'the web' is as huge as it is. Amazing.
LoB
yup and the funny part about this is that Microsoft has a fine line to walk because they 'painted' the line with their poor standards support in IE. On one hand they don't want to change their new browser so much that every existing web page needs fixing because that'll make IE7 look like it's broken and piss alot of businesses off. On the other hand, FireFox, Safari, and Opera are moving onto alot of desktops along with this new AJAX stuff exiting developers and customers alike.
So it's support standards and force their flock of lemmings to recode billions of pages or do a massive marketing blitz to say they are supporting the standards but don't do it and hope nobody notices.
This should be fun to watch.
LoB
Linuxdevices.com posted an article yesterday which stated it had/has WiFi support. Trolltechs spec page does not state it has WiFi. I would expect Trolltech to be correct but we can't be sure until either LinuxDevices correct their post or Trolltech changes their specs page.
LoB
I believe this phone will fall into the SmartPhone category and not the DumbPhone category most people buy into. While not in the majority, many do purchase more feature capable phones for many hundreds of bills and then enable it on one carrier or another. And as many have said already, it's GSM enabled to moving the SIM card to it from the DumbPhone should be all that's required.
It has potential IMO though I hope the USB interface is Host/Client enabled and not just a client port like the original Zaurus units.
LoB
Sorry, I was going by what I read in Linux Devices yesterday. Looks like there is not builtin WiFi in the Greenphone. Too bad.
LoB
I don't think the intention is to have Average Joe/Joan flashing their phone with new kernels or apps. From what I see of what this is, it's a way for Trolltech to try and get some more apps and maybe some fixes to the phone stack they provide FROM DEVELOPERS. And if someone comes up with a multiplayer volleyball game which sucks up airtime/minutes/data then the carriers will be all over this as their profits go up.
I also think that this is more like a tech demo / dev kit than something to expect to see at Walmart. But it sure would be nice if the phone is of good quality such that the press gets ahold of this and praises it. I don't expect ZiffDavis/Cnet/etc to do anything but pan it but there are others who'll review it for what it is or can be.
And for goodness sake, I hope the PIM apps are opensource instead of closed like the Sharp Zaurus was. It'll do no good to have 4 different addressbooks for the thing and 8 different calendars. IMO.
LoB