"Android will breach the rarefied Billion user club in just six months from today, by June of 2013. A Billion users? Only a handful of brands have ever reached that lofty level. Facebook, Skype, Windows, Nokia, Coca Cola, Visa and Mastercard."
Exactly the same flaming idiots who complain about the Apple's walled garden are championing the same thing for valve
With the massive difference that Value does not restrict you from loading alternative software on that machine, or limits the platform your running on...On second thoughts its nothing like Apples closed garden. In fact its starting to be incredibly cross platform...In fact it breaks walls. In fact Steam is doing this because it fears Microsoft's Walled garden,
Now it does have [loose] DRM, locking programs to the store, at the cost of convenience. Which is completely different issue...whatever you think of that.
They don't threaten each other. One is a Console and one is a pc.
You need to re-read my post, I coin the word Cross-Multi-Platform. I could have used the words "Steam ecosytem" if you prefer. The fact that you think gamers are either console gamers or PC gamers that is a nonsense. Ironically so as Microsoft are pushing for a convergence of their self styled ecosystem. The reality is in the modern world they are just shop fronts. I look forward to steam on my Android tablet; running on my Tivo box.
I have rechecked my original post. Its on the money.
It doesn't matter. The "cheap valve box" owners will quickly rise in numbers and the "real PC gamers" will be dwarfed by this. The incentive to develop games for anything beyond the four low-end-hardware-consoles (MS, Sony, Nintendo, Valve)
This is the current state of play, I'm pretty sure the idea is for "3rd Party Hardware Vendors to Compete", they will have only two things to compete on price/performance, looking at the not too dissimilar Android phone/tablet market. This seems incredibly good for the consumer.
If they do, it will be along the same lines as Google's Chrome - free, but impossible to actually build from source and use.
From the chromium web-site "Due mostly to its history and its complexity, Chromium uses a nonstandard set of custom tools to check out and build. Here's an overview of the steps you'll run:"
...as for Valve on Linux. They are not just here for the penguins they are being driven out of Windows. I see no reason why the wouldn't continue to support Linux, especially if they plan on promoting a cross-platform storefront. Lets be honest Android on its own will have more installations than Windows next year.
70 million xbox sold, 5.6 million simulatenous users on steam tonight(presumably more total)
Yup, microsoft wouldn't even notice.
A more comparable figures would be Steam is 54 million active user accounts [concurrent peak users did peak at 6 million]. The numbers seem surprisingly close to seriously threaten Microsofts console gaming platform with Steam Cross-Multi-Platform
As for Microsoft not even noticing, they would be incredibly foolish not to, Microsoft has very little benefit over other platforms right now, even installations will be overtaken by android as soon as next year. Its gaming...and its control of the Graphics API lock-in are essential to if remaining relevant to the consumer market, which is being increasingly challenged.
Microsoft ALWAYS notice the competition they will be out with their chequebooks and lawyers banking on steams door.
I believe in proper ports, using cross-platform tools. In fact with Windows is becoming just another platform. Its simply less of an issue, but to suggest Wine is slower when its often faster is really strange.
o BSD/MIT: do it and tell us. o GPLv2: ask us for permission. o GPLv3: Don't even look at it.
LOL its nice to see a random Apple shareholder [Sorry about the shareprice btw] promoting BSD its so quaint. I notice BSD nix has suffered a great deal since Apples one way take. Linux on the other hand seems to be be thriving.
A port of GNUstep to Android would let iOS application developers target Android with much less additional effort. It could help make a lot of currently App Store-exclusive applications into cross-platform applications.
...and this is backward thinking. Apple threw away market share protecting their profits, but we [by we I mean me and the ex-shareholders of Apple] are all in agreement that gravy chain is coming to an end. Apple need to step up, and support cross-platform development from the get go, otherwise they will find themselves marginalised [more] pretty quickly. I shouldn't have to reiterate...the days of iPhone exclusives are long over. You post would have maybe been relevant a year ago, but that is a long time ago.
Although this has little to do with my post, which is Apple need to open their storefront, to sell DRM free [or loose DRM] cross platform applications [and allow ease of those self same applications]...and update those of other stores. Otherwise again it will continue to marginalize itself. In fact I don't limit it to Apple because I think the freedom to move between *ecosystems* is going to become a problem, but locking myself into the loosing platform is not going to happen...and many more will follow me. I've seen how Apple treats its customers who bought its DRM ridden MP3's at 128...they have to pay a premium. I'm not into a company that has that mentality.
Darling could mean eventually running the entire contents of Cydia on Android
The days of iExclusivity have long passed, anything of value is already on both platforms, or that Android passed iOS both in number of Apps and Downloads in October [700,000 ans 25,000,000,000 respectively]. Although I believe that iOS should have always allowed 3rd party stores, and people should be allowed to move cross-platform programs...between platforms. I do think this unnecessary lock-in needs to be stopped.
Although me personally I have more interest in running my Android Apps on my touch-screen Linux Desktop.
What competitors? They are only competing with each other. RIM and Microsoft are not competition at this point.
Ignoring the cold war Analogy [its best to]. Rim and Nokiasoft, may not be in competition, but that is when they are most problematic to those that are. Like....Kodak was litigious during its dying days. Nokia and Microsoft have formed a Patent troll company, just to attack [Microsofts usual bride; bully tactics] the more successful companies. In fact Microsoft have been bragging about its solitary troll dealing, Apple *pay* Nokia for their patents. You are arguing that Apple & Google preserving their current duopoly is a good thing, by them colluding on the purchase of massive patent portfolios...I'm really not seeing that either.
It would sure be *not evil* to release these formulas to the public
I'm not sure you know what *evil* is. I suspect if either companies have patents that do not cover their [future] products, they can *sell* them, or *license* them, or use them as a bargaining tool etc etc. to make money back from the purchase.
I would be tempted to buy a cheap chromebook [yes the ARM one] for $200, which allegedly run ubuntu very nicely. I would probably be tempted to either they drop in price to get rid of the old stock, or buy one of the new versions that come with a touchscreen next year.
...Oh you want dualboot. I assume you can still run chrome;)
The problem with compromise, is it only works if its a two way negotiation. In today's world its not that Increasingly its about meeting someone half way, and then next time you meet them half way again..before you know it you may not have compromised.
You make a lot of points about free software with is not really the point of this discussion. The truth is I bought a video card which hasn't a proprietary driver...guess you didn't need to compromise:) Most of us don't.
You should watch it sometime, this is about "peoples right to privacy"; "selling my information to 3rd party corporations without my consent"; "intrusion into my house", Those are on that news all the time.
I'm sorry this is so far away from any "belief" system you should not be posting.
Don't you hate that those words. I feel dirty every time I see them, they reek of compromise. They are simply lies, Do you really think people are stupid?
Apple are selling advertising space in Ubuntu to Amazon as a revenue stream. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as users enter into this with there eyes open, and the consequences of that.
I think its a shame that we try to marginalise people rather than create compelling arguments. What is really concerning is in this industry Bill Gates (look at videos of him in anti-trust trials), Steve Jobs (had to work nights because he smelled). You have just created an account. The fact is Dick is normally on the money, and the world is better place for having great men like him, who have achieved things in their own right.
This is Facebook's idea. It might sue. Just saying.
I read your post, and thought "idiot", on reflection...and its off-topic. Facebook and Google are an inevitable clash. Google+ Continues to grow [500 million people have upgraded, 235 million are active], and Facebook is reportedly in talks to buy Microsoft's Atlas ad technology. They are very much in each others faces.
I am a little tired of people hating behind poor products, by pretending people don't like them!? for emotional reasons. It doesn't even make sense. Its an OS; if it was better people would like it. People hate for *a* reason...Hate is not *the* reason.
No people are not complain about different, ios is different..Andoirsd is different, people seen not only to like these interfaces they LOVE them. I'm pretty much tired of blaming the users for bad UI choices. Its not just a windows 8 thing.
What use would it be to invent something that duplicates iOS or Android?
Why do something that is worse? Nothing wrong with not duplicating...but you kind of have to have a better product when entering an established market.
I really don't see why people are so up in arms over Windows 8. A simple Windows+D keystroke takes you into desktop mode...I do hate the removal of the windows launcher in Desktop mode
I've cut out the rest of your post, I think you do see what is so awful about Windows 8 on the desktop. This Article is about how awful it is on a tablet...ironically its for this, is why everybody is complaining about it on the Desktop.
I think there is also an expectation that Microsoft will fix the Windows 8 flaws... because they have shown in the past the ability to react to negative feedback (i.e. Vista = BAD, Win 7 = GOOD, now Win 8 = CRAP, therefore... Win 9 = teh aw3s0me)
Windows 8, even in release mode, smells like beta testing. The general reaction has been very "ME/Vista"-like. So we expect them to improve it. Will they? That's the real question...
Its not the real question. I barely care but to put Windows 7 in context its Vista released on time; covering up its worse excesses; on hardware that could cope with it better. It still does not look 10 years better than XP [or at least SP2]. Microsoft cannot do that with Windows 8 because the problem is "Metro" on a tablet designed with "Office" in mind, that is a strategy, which you cannot fix with software.
You've obviously never worked with Apple or an Apple shop.
That is unfortunately not true. Whatever you think of Jobs showmanship, or the manipulative way me said "magical" every 5 damn seconds. They do have a massive distortion filter...and the whole media industry bent on lying on there behalf. The reality is though that device that Jobs finally held aloft, was a compelling device, and in three cases the first mass market one of its kind [note not the first, best features].
Apples shares are taking a massive dip right now [The value of dell wiped off their cap in a day!!], and its simply due to Apple only having the "distortion field in effect" not the compelling products. In context of this article Microsoft never had them.
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Its only slightly off-topic Tomi's latest article is about Android replacing Windows as the dominant computing platform http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/12/android-won-windows-lost-now-what-the-battle-of-the-century-is-decided-microsoft-relegated-to-ever-s.html but I like this quote which is relevant.
"Android will breach the rarefied Billion user club in just six months from today, by June of 2013. A Billion users? Only a handful of brands have ever reached that lofty level. Facebook, Skype, Windows, Nokia, Coca Cola, Visa and Mastercard."
Exactly the same flaming idiots who complain about the Apple's walled garden are championing the same thing for valve
With the massive difference that Value does not restrict you from loading alternative software on that machine, or limits the platform your running on...On second thoughts its nothing like Apples closed garden. In fact its starting to be incredibly cross platform...In fact it breaks walls. In fact Steam is doing this because it fears Microsoft's Walled garden,
Now it does have [loose] DRM, locking programs to the store, at the cost of convenience. Which is completely different issue...whatever you think of that.
They don't threaten each other. One is a Console and one is a pc.
You need to re-read my post, I coin the word Cross-Multi-Platform. I could have used the words "Steam ecosytem" if you prefer. The fact that you think gamers are either console gamers or PC gamers that is a nonsense. Ironically so as Microsoft are pushing for a convergence of their self styled ecosystem. The reality is in the modern world they are just shop fronts. I look forward to steam on my Android tablet; running on my Tivo box.
I have rechecked my original post. Its on the money.
It doesn't matter. The "cheap valve box" owners will quickly rise in numbers and the "real PC gamers" will be dwarfed by this. The incentive to develop games for anything beyond the four low-end-hardware-consoles (MS, Sony, Nintendo, Valve)
This is the current state of play, I'm pretty sure the idea is for "3rd Party Hardware Vendors to Compete", they will have only two things to compete on price/performance, looking at the not too dissimilar Android phone/tablet market. This seems incredibly good for the consumer.
If they do, it will be along the same lines as Google's Chrome - free, but impossible to actually build from source and use.
From the chromium web-site "Due mostly to its history and its complexity, Chromium uses a nonstandard set of custom tools to check out and build. Here's an overview of the steps you'll run:"
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions
70 million xbox sold, 5.6 million simulatenous users on steam tonight(presumably more total)
Yup, microsoft wouldn't even notice.
A more comparable figures would be Steam is 54 million active user accounts [concurrent peak users did peak at 6 million]. The numbers seem surprisingly close to seriously threaten Microsofts console gaming platform with Steam Cross-Multi-Platform
As for Microsoft not even noticing, they would be incredibly foolish not to, Microsoft has very little benefit over other platforms right now, even installations will be overtaken by android as soon as next year. Its gaming...and its control of the Graphics API lock-in are essential to if remaining relevant to the consumer market, which is being increasingly challenged.
Microsoft ALWAYS notice the competition they will be out with their chequebooks and lawyers banking on steams door.
Enjoy your one frame per second!
I believe in proper ports, using cross-platform tools. In fact with Windows is becoming just another platform. Its simply less of an issue, but to suggest Wine is slower when its often faster is really strange.
http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths
I've given you a link to show how misinformed you are. I suggest you spend a little time getting informed
o BSD/MIT: do it and tell us.
o GPLv2: ask us for permission.
o GPLv3: Don't even look at it.
LOL its nice to see a random Apple shareholder [Sorry about the shareprice btw] promoting BSD its so quaint. I notice BSD nix has suffered a great deal since Apples one way take. Linux on the other hand seems to be be thriving.
Quick list of GPL2 and 3 Apps on Android http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_Android_applications
A port of GNUstep to Android would let iOS application developers target Android with much less additional effort. It could help make a lot of currently App Store-exclusive applications into cross-platform applications.
...and this is backward thinking. Apple threw away market share protecting their profits, but we [by we I mean me and the ex-shareholders of Apple] are all in agreement that gravy chain is coming to an end. Apple need to step up, and support cross-platform development from the get go, otherwise they will find themselves marginalised [more] pretty quickly. I shouldn't have to reiterate...the days of iPhone exclusives are long over. You post would have maybe been relevant a year ago, but that is a long time ago.
Although this has little to do with my post, which is Apple need to open their storefront, to sell DRM free [or loose DRM] cross platform applications [and allow ease of those self same applications]...and update those of other stores. Otherwise again it will continue to marginalize itself. In fact I don't limit it to Apple because I think the freedom to move between *ecosystems* is going to become a problem, but locking myself into the loosing platform is not going to happen...and many more will follow me. I've seen how Apple treats its customers who bought its DRM ridden MP3's at 128...they have to pay a premium. I'm not into a company that has that mentality.
The patent system is to supposed to protect ideas but what it does instead is protect monopolies and stifles creative destruction.
Ironically Google started its massive patent collection, by being attacked by patents from the old duopoly of Microsoft/Apple
Darling could mean eventually running the entire contents of Cydia on Android
The days of iExclusivity have long passed, anything of value is already on both platforms, or that Android passed iOS both in number of Apps and Downloads in October [700,000 ans 25,000,000,000 respectively]. Although I believe that iOS should have always allowed 3rd party stores, and people should be allowed to move cross-platform programs...between platforms. I do think this unnecessary lock-in needs to be stopped.
Although me personally I have more interest in running my Android Apps on my touch-screen Linux Desktop.
What competitors? They are only competing with each other. RIM and Microsoft are not competition at this point.
Ignoring the cold war Analogy [its best to]. Rim and Nokiasoft, may not be in competition, but that is when they are most problematic to those that are. Like....Kodak was litigious during its dying days. Nokia and Microsoft have formed a Patent troll company, just to attack [Microsofts usual bride; bully tactics] the more successful companies. In fact Microsoft have been bragging about its solitary troll dealing, Apple *pay* Nokia for their patents. You are arguing that Apple & Google preserving their current duopoly is a good thing, by them colluding on the purchase of massive patent portfolios...I'm really not seeing that either.
It would sure be *not evil* to release these formulas to the public
I'm not sure you know what *evil* is. I suspect if either companies have patents that do not cover their [future] products, they can *sell* them, or *license* them, or use them as a bargaining tool etc etc. to make money back from the purchase.
I would be tempted to buy a cheap chromebook [yes the ARM one] for $200, which allegedly run ubuntu very nicely. I would probably be tempted to either they drop in price to get rid of the old stock, or buy one of the new versions that come with a touchscreen next year.
they reek of compromise
The problem with compromise, is it only works if its a two way negotiation. In today's world its not that Increasingly its about meeting someone half way, and then next time you meet them half way again..before you know it you may not have compromised.
You make a lot of points about free software with is not really the point of this discussion. The truth is I bought a video card which hasn't a proprietary driver...guess you didn't need to compromise :) Most of us don't.
News at 11.
You should watch it sometime, this is about "peoples right to privacy"; "selling my information to 3rd party corporations without my consent"; "intrusion into my house", Those are on that news all the time.
I'm sorry this is so far away from any "belief" system you should not be posting.
pragmatism and user choice
Don't you hate that those words. I feel dirty every time I see them, they reek of compromise. They are simply lies, Do you really think people are stupid?
Apple are selling advertising space in Ubuntu to Amazon as a revenue stream. There is nothing wrong with that, as long as users enter into this with there eyes open, and the consequences of that.
I think its a shame that we try to marginalise people rather than create compelling arguments. What is really concerning is in this industry Bill Gates (look at videos of him in anti-trust trials), Steve Jobs (had to work nights because he smelled). You have just created an account. The fact is Dick is normally on the money, and the world is better place for having great men like him, who have achieved things in their own right.
Do you miss high school?
This is Facebook's idea. It might sue. Just saying.
I read your post, and thought "idiot", on reflection...and its off-topic. Facebook and Google are an inevitable clash. Google+ Continues to grow [500 million people have upgraded, 235 million are active], and Facebook is reportedly in talks to buy Microsoft's Atlas ad technology. They are very much in each others faces.
it annoys me to see so much hate
I am a little tired of people hating behind poor products, by pretending people don't like them!? for emotional reasons. It doesn't even make sense. Its an OS; if it was better people would like it. People hate for *a* reason...Hate is not *the* reason.
No people are not complain about different, ios is different..Andoirsd is different, people seen not only to like these interfaces they LOVE them. I'm pretty much tired of blaming the users for bad UI choices. Its not just a windows 8 thing.
What use would it be to invent something that duplicates iOS or Android?
Why do something that is worse? Nothing wrong with not duplicating...but you kind of have to have a better product when entering an established market.
I really don't see why people are so up in arms over Windows 8. A simple Windows+D keystroke takes you into desktop mode...I do hate the removal of the windows launcher in Desktop mode
I've cut out the rest of your post, I think you do see what is so awful about Windows 8 on the desktop. This Article is about how awful it is on a tablet...ironically its for this, is why everybody is complaining about it on the Desktop.
I think there is also an expectation that Microsoft will fix the Windows 8 flaws... because they have shown in the past the ability to react to negative feedback (i.e. Vista = BAD, Win 7 = GOOD, now Win 8 = CRAP, therefore... Win 9 = teh aw3s0me)
Windows 8, even in release mode, smells like beta testing. The general reaction has been very "ME/Vista"-like. So we expect them to improve it. Will they? That's the real question...
Its not the real question. I barely care but to put Windows 7 in context its Vista released on time; covering up its worse excesses; on hardware that could cope with it better. It still does not look 10 years better than XP [or at least SP2]. Microsoft cannot do that with Windows 8 because the problem is "Metro" on a tablet designed with "Office" in mind, that is a strategy, which you cannot fix with software.
You've obviously never worked with Apple or an Apple shop.
That is unfortunately not true. Whatever you think of Jobs showmanship, or the manipulative way me said "magical" every 5 damn seconds. They do have a massive distortion filter...and the whole media industry bent on lying on there behalf. The reality is though that device that Jobs finally held aloft, was a compelling device, and in three cases the first mass market one of its kind [note not the first, best features].
Apples shares are taking a massive dip right now [The value of dell wiped off their cap in a day!!], and its simply due to Apple only having the "distortion field in effect" not the compelling products. In context of this article Microsoft never had them.