Some of your complaints don't seem like a faulty user experience so much as not having features you value (adding SMS tones). Others do have some validity (can't add a contact to a group).
Most of them seem like BS arguments to me though. Never had my phone wiped, ever, in 2+ years, nor even heard of one of my friends having the issue. iTunes hasn't ever given me a problem in any way. WTF are you using Finder for when dealing with an iPhone? (Let's leave alone the reality that Finder is not hard to use at all)
I realize it's different. From the context of the post it seems apparent that you are a Windows user. That may account for a lot of it (Finder and iTunes issues) but you're going a bit over the top on this. With a customer satisfaction rating approaching 90% I'd say most people are very satisfied with the user experience.
If you make a comparison of the iPhone with another touch phone, and thus they aren't different, then maybe you aren't seeing the big picture?
They were huge revolutions on a technical level. The hardware and software together made a user interface that was natural, easy to use, intuitive for your average user, almost a joy to use in comparison to those pre-existing smartphones you mention. They were so revolutionary that people gasped in the room when he demoed the phone. They were so revolutionary that all other manufacturers changed their focus to create an "iPhone killer" because it was instantly known to be the pinnacle of phones.
If you can't see the reality of how the iPhone and iPad have revolutionized their markets then I assume it's more a case of blindness or denial on your part.
Right on. I mean other phones used electricity before the iPhone, so there's no way the iPhone was revolutionary. And let's face it, if someone can't answer why they needed an iPhone over another device then it's obvious that it's not a revolutionary product, right?
Seriously? Do you read the drivel you write, or just spout it. These are the stupidest denial arguments I've ever seen. I think the problem is YOU don't understand why it's been selling so well (because it IS a revolutionary product) and so your inability to comprehend it leads to disingenuous arguments. Then you devolve into arguing about sweatpants? Why did you even bother to post if you can't make an ounce of sense.
"over the past three years or so, Apple hasn't released a single revolutionary product."
- iPhone - iPad
If you're trying to say they were just an evolution over existing products then you obviously have your head stuck up your ass and you're deep in denial. These two products alone were THE revolutionary products of the last 3 years, both of which turned the existing market upside down and sent EVERYONE scrambling. Saying those two products were only evolutions of existing products is utter bullshit. There was nothing like them before (don't give me the smartphones and tablets existed before argument either, that is beyond stupidity) and Apple has rattled the cages of the world with both of these products.
Actually they were very well done and they pointed out annoyances in the PC world that most users were used to dealing with and which did not exist on the Mac. The "rest of us" that you refer to are full of shit and just blindly hate Macs.
Actually he does, it's just that the things you are trying to characterize as engineering are really conscious design decisions that you don't agree with, or don't understand.
Try not to have your disdain for the USA cloud your thinking. I agree with the poster, that Microsoft and Nokia have ceased to matter. Despite their current sales, they are on the downward spiral. Neither is a leader in the mobile tech world any more. No one looks to Nokia or MS to see what where their market vision will lead the world. That is Apple iOS and Google Android.
Yes, Nokia still has large sales numbers and market share, just like MS, but they are an also ran at this point. The sad thing is they (and you) don't seem to know it yet.
I had the same thought. Android has already been named the defacto winner and they don't even have a tablet OS released to market? Come one, talk about sticking y0ur head in the sand. I personally don't have anything against Android, but let's face a few facts. The iPhone paved the way for Android on phones. One could even say Android was a blatant rip off of Apple's OS by Google. In the same vein, the Android tablet compatible OS looks to be another attempt by Google to profit off Apple's ideas. Not only is Google perpetually following Apple on everything (Google TV too) but in some cases it's such a blatant rip off it's pathetic. I think it's going to be hard for Android to lead the pack when all we've seen Google do is copy someone else in these markets.
I'm sure that is the excuse the ignorant tell themselves to sleep at night, but the customer satisfaction and customer service polls have proved you wrong. Apple leads the pack for several years now. That's not image, that's quality.
Better read my post again. I've only been talking about AT&T this whole time. iPhone vs. Android sales on the same network and that I believe it will turn out the similarly on Verizon after the iPhone is available there.
Jeez, do I have to explain this. BOTH iphones and android devices are available through AT&T. iPhone outsells Android phones by at least a factor of ten (there was a recent article on this just within the last week or so). So locked, unlocked, it makes no difference in this example. Amongst AT&T users iPhone outsells Android by a huge margin. Will that happen at Verizon, time will tell, but I think some Android fans have their head in the sand if they think the iPhone's glory days are over. Let's wait a year and see what has happened to iPhone and Android sales on Verizon. I personally believe that Android has only seen such success because it hasn't had to compete with head to head with the iPhone on that network. I think Android US Verizon sales will come to a screeching halt compared to its current pace.
I don't think Android is a bad phone, I'd place it second behind the iPhone, but I don't think it is as well thought out and refined from an average consumer perspective. Apple has done well creating an integrated ecosystem that is easy for the average Joe (or Jane) to use. I think that is why it has such widespread appeal, and surprisingly that is something that most tech nerds just can't seem to understand.
Your explanation doesn't hold water at all. Both the iPhones and Android phones were on the same network, AT&T, and yet of those who chose the AT&T network people overwhelmingly chose the iPhone.
I love how Android users try to take some intellectual snob approach and yet can't see their hand in front of their face some times. Call it a shiny toy all you want, but my example stands unchallenged by you or the anonymous coward before you. I certainly don't have a problem with Android phones, but it seems some of its devotes have their heads buried in the sand.
I think the key words that answer your question are "VZ is rolling out LTE this year". Since LTE is still pretty much scarce in the US, why would Apple spend extra money reegineering the phone for a (mostly) non existent phone network?
Jeez, is every android lover just plain stupid or do they have their head stuck in the sand. I know you'll never admit this, but get ready for a wake up call. Android sales will slow a LOT on Verizon and Apple will probably catch up or overtake them. Look at AT&T for an example. iPhone buries their Android phone subscribers by a factor of 10 or more. You're going through life with blinders on if you think the iPhone is on the decline. The rest of your post is just utter stupidity. Apple led the current smartphone market explosion, Google copied and followed. Apple led the current tablet explosion, Google is busy copying and following in Apple's footsteps. Sorry, but Google has blatantly ripped off Apple's ideas for the past several years. Which is good for Google, otherwise their offerings would not exist in those markets, or they would be half back perpetual betas like most of their products.
You're right, students don't like to rat out other students for cheating. Argue that either way you want, but that doesn't negate the post by "Shadow of Eternity". While this type of analysis may expose real cheaters it also undoubtedly falsely accuses some others. This is not enough evidence to convict a student of cheating, maybe enough evidence to take a closer look at the student to see if they are cheating, but not to convict.
I think if you pulled your head out of your ass you'd realize that many of the things listed on their that affect Mac OS X were proof of concept malware that required access to the physical machine, and they were all developed and widely disseminated through the press by. . . . wait for it. . . . anti-virus companies like SOPHOS!
Seriously? Are you that dumb? Do you not see the conflict of interest in Sophos and other anti-virus peddlers announcing "the sky is falling" and you must buy their POS bloatware to protect you? These same companies have been predicting for 5 years now that a serious Mac virus will be released within 12 months, and I still haven't seen anything.
Listen, you have an anti-Apple bias, that's fine, but try to at least think things through before posting a scare article from Sophos as evidence.
And netbooks are several hundred times the price of a stick of chewing gum, so that is why netbooks are more popular as computers. . . . no, wait, that doesn't make sense does it?
If you didn't understand dhovis' post then don't comment on it. He's talking about the price of tablets, not netbooks. Your disingenuous comparison is simply an attempt to run from the thought that the iPad has a price point that other manufacturers are finding difficult to meet in their TABLET offerings, which is why they are resorting to small screens to reduce costs.
Yes, in 6 months, and hopefully there will be at least one viable competitor so you don't have to feel like a complete fool with your Apple hating posts?
I don't recall him ever espousing anarchy. I think you may want to post an a different site where people are more gullible to your disingenuous statements.
I think the demographic assertions you made are pretty much made up bullshit, but in the interest of being fair I'd like to ask if you have an citations you can provide that prove these demographics are true.
I'd re-read that again if I were you. Earlier in the article Assange says not one case of a death has been directly attributed to Wikileaks. The section you referenced can be interpreted many ways, and it seems more likely that he's saying that the exposure of corruption in Kenya was caused by Wikileaks. That would be more consistent with the rest of the article and Assange's earlier statement which I mentioned in my second sentence.
I'm not saying you misrepresented this, but at best that paragraph you are referring to could be interpreted several ways.
Damn you and your facts!! This is Slashdot. Where people attempt to look cool by putting down Apple and saying that Apple products are only for people who want to look cool!
Wow, denial-fest 2010 is in session. Your attempt to dismiss everything that people like about their Macs by bringing up one other product that has something similar is ridiculously myopic. Show me another product that has all of these "trivial" (in your estimation of course) things integrated into one product. And let's not forget the things that really matter, like customer satisfaction ratings and customer service ratings, both categories that Apple has owned for several YEARS now. That is not smoke and mirrors, but building quality products and supporting them well.
"take the iPhone 4, a rather disastrous item from the hardware quality." - In what way? Your attempt to resurrect antennagate fails miserable with solid statistical evidence. The iPhone 4 had return rates and reception complaint rates BELOW that of previous generations of the iPhone. Funny how if it was a design error all news of it seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since Apple had a press conference and pointed out the obvious erroneous hysteria that was being propagated by the press.
" The glass they use is very tough, but that also implies brittle" - In what way does that imply brittle? It being tough does not mean it has to be brittle. What kind of BS logic are you employing here? Another fake scandal attempt that has somehow gone nowhere. Yet if it was true wouldn't there be tons of reports of this? I call bullshit on those stories and on people like yourself who blindly believe them without apply even a basic amount of critical thought to their short lived nature.
You don't see the quality in Apple products because you don't want to. Anyone who explains the touches that all add up to a huge difference is instantly dismissed by you. Since you CHOOSE to disregard anything they say they hardly have a chance to have a discussion with you at all. Believe what you want to believe, I don't care, but please don't try and whip up fake hysteria over antennas and glass when the numbers don't back you up. It just makes you look foolish.
Oh Bullshit right back at ya! This "cool" meme is so ridiculously stupid and short sighted. I'm sure there is a vein of that in every manufacturer. Like the idiotic Windows guy who thinks it's "cool" that he has to maintain his machine 20% of the time or it will stop functioning. Or the Linux guy who thinks it's "cool" that they can do everything by command line (even though 99% of the people don't want to!).
Apple builds very good products, tightly integrated, industry leading customer satisfaction and customer support numbers (yes, LEADING, and those are hard numbers for YEARS now, it's not a factor of "cool"). People are buying Apple because they are seeing the light more and more. A friend has one, let's them try it and they understand that it works so much better than the Blackberry, Windows or Android half baked POS.
But hey, feel free to stick your head back in the sand and wave the "cool" excuse to anyone dumb enough to believe it. I've had Winblows for years and since I switched to Mac I am always satisfied. That's not "cool", that is customer satisfaction, and that is what is driving this surge.
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Perfect, no. Better, yes.
Some of your complaints don't seem like a faulty user experience so much as not having features you value (adding SMS tones). Others do have some validity (can't add a contact to a group).
Most of them seem like BS arguments to me though. Never had my phone wiped, ever, in 2+ years, nor even heard of one of my friends having the issue. iTunes hasn't ever given me a problem in any way. WTF are you using Finder for when dealing with an iPhone? (Let's leave alone the reality that Finder is not hard to use at all)
I realize it's different. From the context of the post it seems apparent that you are a Windows user. That may account for a lot of it (Finder and iTunes issues) but you're going a bit over the top on this. With a customer satisfaction rating approaching 90% I'd say most people are very satisfied with the user experience.
If you make a comparison of the iPhone with another touch phone, and thus they aren't different, then maybe you aren't seeing the big picture?
They were huge revolutions on a technical level. The hardware and software together made a user interface that was natural, easy to use, intuitive for your average user, almost a joy to use in comparison to those pre-existing smartphones you mention. They were so revolutionary that people gasped in the room when he demoed the phone. They were so revolutionary that all other manufacturers changed their focus to create an "iPhone killer" because it was instantly known to be the pinnacle of phones.
If you can't see the reality of how the iPhone and iPad have revolutionized their markets then I assume it's more a case of blindness or denial on your part.
Right on. I mean other phones used electricity before the iPhone, so there's no way the iPhone was revolutionary. And let's face it, if someone can't answer why they needed an iPhone over another device then it's obvious that it's not a revolutionary product, right?
Seriously? Do you read the drivel you write, or just spout it. These are the stupidest denial arguments I've ever seen. I think the problem is YOU don't understand why it's been selling so well (because it IS a revolutionary product) and so your inability to comprehend it leads to disingenuous arguments. Then you devolve into arguing about sweatpants? Why did you even bother to post if you can't make an ounce of sense.
"over the past three years or so, Apple hasn't released a single revolutionary product."
- iPhone
- iPad
If you're trying to say they were just an evolution over existing products then you obviously have your head stuck up your ass and you're deep in denial. These two products alone were THE revolutionary products of the last 3 years, both of which turned the existing market upside down and sent EVERYONE scrambling. Saying those two products were only evolutions of existing products is utter bullshit. There was nothing like them before (don't give me the smartphones and tablets existed before argument either, that is beyond stupidity) and Apple has rattled the cages of the world with both of these products.
Actually they were very well done and they pointed out annoyances in the PC world that most users were used to dealing with and which did not exist on the Mac. The "rest of us" that you refer to are full of shit and just blindly hate Macs.
Actually he does, it's just that the things you are trying to characterize as engineering are really conscious design decisions that you don't agree with, or don't understand.
Try not to have your disdain for the USA cloud your thinking. I agree with the poster, that Microsoft and Nokia have ceased to matter. Despite their current sales, they are on the downward spiral. Neither is a leader in the mobile tech world any more. No one looks to Nokia or MS to see what where their market vision will lead the world. That is Apple iOS and Google Android.
Yes, Nokia still has large sales numbers and market share, just like MS, but they are an also ran at this point. The sad thing is they (and you) don't seem to know it yet.
I had the same thought. Android has already been named the defacto winner and they don't even have a tablet OS released to market? Come one, talk about sticking y0ur head in the sand. I personally don't have anything against Android, but let's face a few facts. The iPhone paved the way for Android on phones. One could even say Android was a blatant rip off of Apple's OS by Google. In the same vein, the Android tablet compatible OS looks to be another attempt by Google to profit off Apple's ideas. Not only is Google perpetually following Apple on everything (Google TV too) but in some cases it's such a blatant rip off it's pathetic. I think it's going to be hard for Android to lead the pack when all we've seen Google do is copy someone else in these markets.
I'm sure that is the excuse the ignorant tell themselves to sleep at night, but the customer satisfaction and customer service polls have proved you wrong. Apple leads the pack for several years now. That's not image, that's quality.
Better read my post again. I've only been talking about AT&T this whole time. iPhone vs. Android sales on the same network and that I believe it will turn out the similarly on Verizon after the iPhone is available there.
Jeez, do I have to explain this. BOTH iphones and android devices are available through AT&T. iPhone outsells Android phones by at least a factor of ten (there was a recent article on this just within the last week or so). So locked, unlocked, it makes no difference in this example. Amongst AT&T users iPhone outsells Android by a huge margin. Will that happen at Verizon, time will tell, but I think some Android fans have their head in the sand if they think the iPhone's glory days are over. Let's wait a year and see what has happened to iPhone and Android sales on Verizon. I personally believe that Android has only seen such success because it hasn't had to compete with head to head with the iPhone on that network. I think Android US Verizon sales will come to a screeching halt compared to its current pace.
I don't think Android is a bad phone, I'd place it second behind the iPhone, but I don't think it is as well thought out and refined from an average consumer perspective. Apple has done well creating an integrated ecosystem that is easy for the average Joe (or Jane) to use. I think that is why it has such widespread appeal, and surprisingly that is something that most tech nerds just can't seem to understand.
Your explanation doesn't hold water at all. Both the iPhones and Android phones were on the same network, AT&T, and yet of those who chose the AT&T network people overwhelmingly chose the iPhone.
I love how Android users try to take some intellectual snob approach and yet can't see their hand in front of their face some times. Call it a shiny toy all you want, but my example stands unchallenged by you or the anonymous coward before you. I certainly don't have a problem with Android phones, but it seems some of its devotes have their heads buried in the sand.
I think the key words that answer your question are "VZ is rolling out LTE this year". Since LTE is still pretty much scarce in the US, why would Apple spend extra money reegineering the phone for a (mostly) non existent phone network?
Jeez, is every android lover just plain stupid or do they have their head stuck in the sand. I know you'll never admit this, but get ready for a wake up call. Android sales will slow a LOT on Verizon and Apple will probably catch up or overtake them. Look at AT&T for an example. iPhone buries their Android phone subscribers by a factor of 10 or more. You're going through life with blinders on if you think the iPhone is on the decline. The rest of your post is just utter stupidity. Apple led the current smartphone market explosion, Google copied and followed. Apple led the current tablet explosion, Google is busy copying and following in Apple's footsteps. Sorry, but Google has blatantly ripped off Apple's ideas for the past several years. Which is good for Google, otherwise their offerings would not exist in those markets, or they would be half back perpetual betas like most of their products.
You're right, students don't like to rat out other students for cheating. Argue that either way you want, but that doesn't negate the post by "Shadow of Eternity". While this type of analysis may expose real cheaters it also undoubtedly falsely accuses some others. This is not enough evidence to convict a student of cheating, maybe enough evidence to take a closer look at the student to see if they are cheating, but not to convict.
I think if you pulled your head out of your ass you'd realize that many of the things listed on their that affect Mac OS X were proof of concept malware that required access to the physical machine, and they were all developed and widely disseminated through the press by. . . . wait for it. . . . anti-virus companies like SOPHOS!
Seriously? Are you that dumb? Do you not see the conflict of interest in Sophos and other anti-virus peddlers announcing "the sky is falling" and you must buy their POS bloatware to protect you? These same companies have been predicting for 5 years now that a serious Mac virus will be released within 12 months, and I still haven't seen anything.
Listen, you have an anti-Apple bias, that's fine, but try to at least think things through before posting a scare article from Sophos as evidence.
And netbooks are several hundred times the price of a stick of chewing gum, so that is why netbooks are more popular as computers. . . . no, wait, that doesn't make sense does it?
If you didn't understand dhovis' post then don't comment on it. He's talking about the price of tablets, not netbooks. Your disingenuous comparison is simply an attempt to run from the thought that the iPad has a price point that other manufacturers are finding difficult to meet in their TABLET offerings, which is why they are resorting to small screens to reduce costs.
Yes, in 6 months, and hopefully there will be at least one viable competitor so you don't have to feel like a complete fool with your Apple hating posts?
I don't recall him ever espousing anarchy. I think you may want to post an a different site where people are more gullible to your disingenuous statements.
Based on your post I see stupidity applies equally to Apple lovers and Apple haters.
Physician heal thyself. . .
I think the demographic assertions you made are pretty much made up bullshit, but in the interest of being fair I'd like to ask if you have an citations you can provide that prove these demographics are true.
I'd re-read that again if I were you. Earlier in the article Assange says not one case of a death has been directly attributed to Wikileaks. The section you referenced can be interpreted many ways, and it seems more likely that he's saying that the exposure of corruption in Kenya was caused by Wikileaks. That would be more consistent with the rest of the article and Assange's earlier statement which I mentioned in my second sentence.
I'm not saying you misrepresented this, but at best that paragraph you are referring to could be interpreted several ways.
Damn you and your facts!! This is Slashdot. Where people attempt to look cool by putting down Apple and saying that Apple products are only for people who want to look cool!
Wow, denial-fest 2010 is in session. Your attempt to dismiss everything that people like about their Macs by bringing up one other product that has something similar is ridiculously myopic. Show me another product that has all of these "trivial" (in your estimation of course) things integrated into one product. And let's not forget the things that really matter, like customer satisfaction ratings and customer service ratings, both categories that Apple has owned for several YEARS now. That is not smoke and mirrors, but building quality products and supporting them well.
"take the iPhone 4, a rather disastrous item from the hardware quality."
- In what way? Your attempt to resurrect antennagate fails miserable with solid statistical evidence. The iPhone 4 had return rates and reception complaint rates BELOW that of previous generations of the iPhone. Funny how if it was a design error all news of it seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since Apple had a press conference and pointed out the obvious erroneous hysteria that was being propagated by the press.
" The glass they use is very tough, but that also implies brittle"
- In what way does that imply brittle? It being tough does not mean it has to be brittle. What kind of BS logic are you employing here? Another fake scandal attempt that has somehow gone nowhere. Yet if it was true wouldn't there be tons of reports of this? I call bullshit on those stories and on people like yourself who blindly believe them without apply even a basic amount of critical thought to their short lived nature.
You don't see the quality in Apple products because you don't want to. Anyone who explains the touches that all add up to a huge difference is instantly dismissed by you. Since you CHOOSE to disregard anything they say they hardly have a chance to have a discussion with you at all. Believe what you want to believe, I don't care, but please don't try and whip up fake hysteria over antennas and glass when the numbers don't back you up. It just makes you look foolish.
Oh Bullshit right back at ya! This "cool" meme is so ridiculously stupid and short sighted. I'm sure there is a vein of that in every manufacturer. Like the idiotic Windows guy who thinks it's "cool" that he has to maintain his machine 20% of the time or it will stop functioning. Or the Linux guy who thinks it's "cool" that they can do everything by command line (even though 99% of the people don't want to!).
Apple builds very good products, tightly integrated, industry leading customer satisfaction and customer support numbers (yes, LEADING, and those are hard numbers for YEARS now, it's not a factor of "cool"). People are buying Apple because they are seeing the light more and more. A friend has one, let's them try it and they understand that it works so much better than the Blackberry, Windows or Android half baked POS.
But hey, feel free to stick your head back in the sand and wave the "cool" excuse to anyone dumb enough to believe it. I've had Winblows for years and since I switched to Mac I am always satisfied. That's not "cool", that is customer satisfaction, and that is what is driving this surge.