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Steve Jobs Taking Medical Leave of Absence

Uttini writes "Apple CEO Steve Jobs has just announced that he is taking a medical leave of absence, according to a release issued by the company today. While it's unclear what the reason is for the medical leave, Jobs' previous medical history includes pancreatic cancer as well as a liver transplant. While Jobs is out, Tim Cook is to be responsible for all of Apple's day to day operations."

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  1. Wishing him well by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope that no matter what operating system or computer manufacturer you love or hate, everyone can come together and wish him well. Whether you love or hate what he's done in the industry, he's a fellow human being first, and I hope he has a speedy recovery.

    1. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please extend the same sentiment when gates is not feeling well.

    2. Re:Wishing him well by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Absolutely. Yet I must ask: Why should I care about this? I don't know him personally and have thus a hard time seeing the news-value in this... now if this was a stock market news site...

    3. Re:Wishing him well by RCGodward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope that no matter what operating system or computer manufacturer you love or hate, everyone can come together and sell their AAPL stock. Whether you love or hate what he's done in the industry, money is money.

      I'm a horrible person.

    4. Re:Wishing him well by pyalot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please extend the same sentiment when Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Stewart, Castro, Chavez, Gaddafi, Sarkozy, Uwe Boll and many others do not feel well.

    5. Re:Wishing him well by davidbrit2 · · Score: 2

      Came here to say this. I'd probably disagree with him on a lot of points regarding business, and he doesn't seem like the kind of guy I'd hang out with, but as someone who's spent plenty of time in hospitals myself, I hope all goes well.

    6. Re:Wishing him well by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I was hoping to see this post early. :-)

      I wish him good luck in a recovery and that it's nothing serious, although I have a feeling he won't be back in his former position once again this time, after the cancer treatment and liver transplant. I don't think he looked to be in the same shape as after the past medical absence, and energy is exactly what a CEO needs to lead a company of this size, and at the pace of the IT industry. :-/ I unfortunately have little doubt in that this is related to his past medical struggles.

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    7. Re:Wishing him well by Bloodwine77 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am not a fan of Macs, but the man initially bankrolled Pixar and was smart enough to stay out of their way. I also can respect that he turned around Apple Computer and thanks to that we have more choice in desktop and mobile devices now.

    8. Re:Wishing him well by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      He's not my fellow. If he saw me starving on the street he'd stroll past. He's a repressive censor. I don't wish death on him, I only wish someone else would run Apple. Of course, they will probably run it into the ground again, but that arguably will increase freedom in computing so I wouldn't shed any tears.

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    9. Re:Wishing him well by bughunter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree. Thank you.

      But unfortunately, this thread will turn into yet again another opportunity for anyone who even implies indirectly anything positive about Apple or their products to be accused of Trolling and met with mind-bogglingly uncivil replies by people who can find insult where none exists merely by reading a comment which can be interpreted as a slight against the brand of computer they're typing on or the operating system upon which it runs.

      I've been a happy Mac owner since 1988 and while there are times I am unhappy with AAPL, now included, I still believe that Jobs has made one hell of a positive impact on society. We wouldn't be where we are without him, and he continues to trailblaze. Go. Steve!

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    10. Re:Wishing him well by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please; I disagree with a lot of Apple's policies and decisions regarding their products, and I strongly suspect Jobs is behind many of those policies, but that does not mean that Jobs is not a human being. He may just stroll past beggars, but that does not make him any less human either. As you said, he does not deserve death, and I would add that he does not deserve to suffer from whatever ailment he is on medical leave for.

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    11. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are almost 7 billion people on this planet and if we were all being brutally honest that's almost 7 billion people we don't give a damn about. This isn't insightful, it's fake emotion.

    12. Re:Wishing him well by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Yep I hope Steve survives so Apple survives. I'd hate to think of a future where Apple Mac disappears like Atari ST and Commodore Amiga disappeared.

      Steve Jobs seems rather young to be having so many health problems?

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    13. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1, Troll

      I don't wish him any harm, but he's a terrible person by most objective accounts.

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    14. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt you've spent much time in the kind of hospitals he goes to.

    15. Re:Wishing him well by RDW · · Score: 4, Interesting

      'now if this was a stock market news site...'

      The BBC is reporting Apple shares in Frankfurt are down 7% already, and CNN notes that Apple is due to release an earnings report tomorrow. So I guess the announcement was particularly carefully timed, not only falling on a US public holiday, but coming just before an earnings report that will presumably be positive and help to mitigate the damage when the US market re-opens. But that's just good business, of course. Best wishes to Steve!

    16. Re:Wishing him well by Kjella · · Score: 0

      I can agree to that, except if Palin is off her feet a couple weeks during primary campaigns and then recovers fully. Just to be on the safe side. If the economy takes another big dive, anyone on the other side could win.

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    17. Re:Wishing him well by ceeam · · Score: 2

      I disagree and demand that you elaborate.

    18. Re:Wishing him well by leathered · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would not wish ill health on any of those people but Uwe Boll, the man has caused misery for millions of people.

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    19. Re:Wishing him well by Kevinv · · Score: 2

      What objective accounts?

    20. Re:Wishing him well by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although I'm nobody special, please do extend the same sentiment to me also. Thankyou. That is all. : )

    21. Re:Wishing him well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buy them today as the market dips, sell them tomorrow after the earnings report showing the iPhone and iPad christmas sales.

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    22. Re:Wishing him well by Dalroth · · Score: 2

      I agree. I draw the line at Uwe Boll.

    23. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 3, Funny

      You 'demand' that I elaborate? LOL. Well, I demand that you give yourself a swirlie...

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    24. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about all the people nobody likes?
      If you want to prove you're a human being how about the same sentiment for every human, not just the ones who agree with your political/moral beliefs. I want Osama Bin Laden to have a long and happy life just as much as I wish the same for Barack Obama, Bill Gates, my own family or Robert Mugabe.

    25. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      People who know him but don't have an anti-Apple bias, for example 'The Woz.'

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    26. Re:Wishing him well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not sure about 'most accounts' but how about the time He and Woz got a $5,000 payment from Atari. He told Woz it was $700, and gave him $350 as his half. Fortune described him as 'one of Silicon Valley's leading egomaniacs'. He banned all books published by Wiley from Apple stores because they dared to publish an unauthorised autobiography of him. He refused to acknowledge his daughter, who his mother initially had to raise on welfare payments.

      You don't often get to be as successful in business as he has been by being a nice person.

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    27. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See it's that kind of talk, that makes it sound like you have a huge man-crush on the guy, that leads to the comments that Apple fans are the cult of Jobs. I've owned Windows and Linux machines for the past 15+ years but I don't feel I owe some kind of special allegiance to Linus or Bill. And Jobs is making a positive impact in the same way as all dictators - i.e. if you're in the majority group he's pandering to he probably sounds awesome, if you're on the fringes of that society you're SOL.

    28. Re:Wishing him well by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      There are almost 7 billion people on this planet and if we were all being brutally honest that's almost 7 billion people we don't give a damn about. This isn't insightful, it's fake emotion.

      I would have to agree. I'm not sure why people become attached to famous strangers while not caring about obscure strangers. In both cases, they are people you do not know and who don't know you, and never shall the two meet. Now, I get that sometimes we can empathize more with someone dying of lung cancer (as an example) if we have had a loved one die of the same disease, so we can understand how the family might feel, but again, why not a total stranger?

      I would wish anyone that is dealing with illness the best of luck, but if anyone has deep emotional feelings about a 'famous' stranger, you have to ask where it comes from. My only guess is a culture of hero worship, but there has to be more to it than that.

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    29. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The market is closed today in the United States due to the holiday.

    30. Re:Wishing him well by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      No, not Uwe Boll.

    31. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't. People here are illogical and stupid, and hate Microsoft for no reason half the time, the other half having a valid reason but usually using it to troll like a child.

    32. Re:Wishing him well by ceeam · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      > He refused to acknowledge his daughter, who his mother initially had to raise on welfare payments.

      This is not quite true. Jobs doubted that he could have children so he was not *quick* to acknowledge her. And I doubt anyone will (or should) be quick to take responsibility for the children born from such occasional sleepovers.

      Anyway, her name was/is Lisa and Jobs calling their first proper computer "Lisa" kind of contradicts the claim that he "refused to acknowledge" her.

    33. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everybody deserves death. Its the price for life. The idea that death is cruel or a punishment is wrong. Instead of saying he doesn't deserve death, how about we all say he deserves the great life he has lived?

    34. Re:Wishing him well by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some of those people are not like the others. Some have killed others to further their own goals.

    35. Re:Wishing him well by ceeam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, and as for the money, Woz's own take on it is kinda maybe interesting: http://www.woz.org/letters/general/91.html

    36. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Why should I care about this?

      Obviously you care enough about this to comment on it. So the question should rather be "why do I care about this". Think about it

    37. Re:Wishing him well by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I want Osama Bin Laden to see the error of his ways and find happiness and then live a long and happy life. If that won't happen I'd really not wish for him to continue living. He's preventing thousands of others from having a long and happy life. And that overrules any worries I have for him.

    38. Re:Wishing him well by JWW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Huh, really? I'm sorry, but malevolent dictators do not deserve the same kind of respect that CEO's, pundits, and even directors of crappy movies deserve.

    39. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. Yet I must ask: Why should I care about this? I don't know him personally and have thus a hard time seeing the news-value in this... now if this was a stock market news site...

      Because he has likely had a huge influence on your life.

    40. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Do you feel the same way about others who have "preventing thousands of others from having a long and happy life" such as George W Bush & Bill Gates? OBL is responsible for 3000-4000 deaths. Bush scores a few hundred thousands. Bill Gates will end up killing millions with his interference as Intellectual Property Ambassador to 3rd world countries.

    41. Re:Wishing him well by Kevinv · · Score: 1

      Wozniack has made objective reports that he is a "terrible" person. Really? Terrible?

      I've seen reports (and no report made on the character of another person is truly objective) he's a taskmaster, a jerk who wants things his way. I wouldn't call them terrible people. I don't see him getting accused of racism or sexual harrasment.

      Being in tech support I interact with people like that all the time. No reason to wish them ill health.

    42. Re:Wishing him well by anshulajain · · Score: 0

      I wish him a speedy recovery as well. And wanna say this to him - "Get well soon, and see you in the market" when Google wipes off the smug air of superiority off i products.

    43. Re:Wishing him well by MrJones · · Score: 1

      Agree, get well soon Steve! The tech world needs you!

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    44. Re:Wishing him well by ron_ivi · · Score: 1

      While I'm not a huge fan of Macs, I loved his Apple ][ and NeXT computers.

      And I imagine he did far more than "stay out of [pixar's] way"; but was rather key to making sure Pixar had all the right people in the right positions.

    45. Re:Wishing him well by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      We shoot and otherwise execute bad human beings every day.

      I don't see what sympathy someone's mortal husk should be regarded simply because they're "human".

      Likely: the man is dying. He won't be back.

      My sympathies to his children, though. They'll likely have a lot of issues to work through given his absence and disregard for their well-being; that kind of thing tends to leave scars. (Jobs is/was an absentee parent, going so far as to deny paternity of at least one of his children.)

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    46. Re:Wishing him well by pipatron · · Score: 1

      My Amiga never disappeared.

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    47. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree on a general level (there are lots of crappy movies, everyone has a director), it's Uwe Boll we're talking about. Given the choice to go back in time and kill Hitler before he rises to power, or to go back in time and kill Uwe Boll before he makes any video game adapations for the big screen... though call.

    48. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shut up, Uwe.

    49. Re:Wishing him well by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly, it means the End of Apple. Apple has not existed in a profitable, quality form under anyone except Jobs; he is the man with the vision.

      Without Jobs, Apple is likely to de-orbit, barring a miracle. The company has been driven by him for so long, there is little the company does which is not his Image.

      Take him away, and Apple products are likely to become like most other consumer toys: generic. Apple was to the 2000s like Nike/Reebok and Sony were to the 80s/early 90s: an image accessory that everyone simply must have.

      No, it's not over yet, but assuming Jobs is actually the one behind the current Apple incarnation, it will be soon.

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    50. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful. thank you

    51. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So has Steve Jobs, just not in the way that Boll has. DRM and closed systems is as much of an freedom restricting evil as tyranny. its just less obvious.

    52. Re:Wishing him well by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      No he didn't. In retrospect to the whole of the 7 billion, he's made an implant on maybe 10%. He's made a minor impact on western culture.

    53. Re:Wishing him well by mybecq · · Score: 1

      Buy them today as the market dips

      Markets are closed today.

    54. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any evidence to point to the stock being overvalued? Like actual market numbers, something more than "wah wah I'm a Microsoft fanboy and hate Apple"?

      The fact is Apple is a very profitable company. When you target the high-end you make a lot more per product sold than companies like Dell or HP (or Android) targeting the low end.

    55. Re:Wishing him well by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      While I understand your sentiment I would hesitate to include active, non-retired politicians/leaders/dictators and the like on that list. While people like Jobs and Gate's influence on the world can only harm things like operating systems and hardware bad leaders kill people. Many people much more innocent than themselves. While Bush for example has done his damage and may just as well enjoy a happy retirement what if Palin started war with Iran? I'm not defending Iran's leaders but how many civilians and soldiers would die? That war could go nuclear! What if some commentary from Limbaugh resulted in those last few votes that put her in that position. Would he be so much better?

      I don't like this 'appliance' direction that computers/electronics are taking and I think Jobs is one of the driving forces behind this. I do not however think it would be right to wish a human being bad health or death over something like that. I hope he gets better. I will not extend this good will to people who might result in the loss of life or freedom for large numbers of others. That would be no different from wishing death on all their victims.

    56. Re:Wishing him well by tsa · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What the hell are you talking about? Obama is the best President you've had over there in a long long time and you don't even realize it.

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    57. Re:Wishing him well by respice · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I do wish them all well- even the ones who don't like my country. Even those who are "villains."

      John Donne, Meditations XVII:

      No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

      I don't have to like what they do to wish them good health.

    58. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OBL is responsible for 3000-4000 deaths

      Had forgotten that people still think that!!

    59. Re:Wishing him well by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Especially as WWII contributed greatly to our current level of technology, e.g. computers.

    60. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except the last time Steve left and the company ran under Tim Cook and they had record breaking quarters.

    61. Re:Wishing him well by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

      Thank you and thanks to the people that modded this comment up.

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    62. Re:Wishing him well by omnichad · · Score: 0

      Obama != Osama, unless you're Republican.

    63. Re:Wishing him well by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      you forgot Hitler.

      too soon?

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    64. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wozniack has made objective reports that he is a "terrible" person. Really? Terrible?

      I did not stipulate the The Woz said he is either a terrible person or made 'objective reports' [sic] about Steve Jobs. You asked by what objective accounts do I deem Steve Jobs a terrible person. I gave you an example source. There are many.

      no report made on the character of another person is truly objective

      That is untrue unless you consider all objectivity impossible. Making an observation on someone's character is objective if you have no bias against that person. I used The Woz as an objective example when he's likely to be actually biased somewhat towards Steve Jobs (although I've always found him to be a reliable observer who was good at distinguishing between what he has observed and what he feels.)

      No reason to wish them ill health.

      I quite specifically stated that I did not wish him ill health.

      You act as if you know of Steve Jobs past and present, so if you still think he's not a poor example of a human being, what's the point in arguing?

      If you don't know much about Steve Jobs, you should read up on what people who know him and respect him say about him.

      My primary reasons for finding him to be a terrible person are the accounts relating to how he has treated his daughter, The Woz, his employees, handicap parking, his manipulation of the organ waiting list through multiple listing, and his general total dishonesty in business.

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    65. Re:Wishing him well by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Palin lied, my iPhone died.

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    66. Re:Wishing him well by Pulzar · · Score: 1

      Markets are closed today.

      Only in the USA.

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    67. Re:Wishing him well by Pojut · · Score: 4, Informative

      He says he is a Christian, but everytime he quotes from the Constitution he skips the word "God".

      Whoa whoa whoa. Hold the fuck on.

      Please cite where the word "god" appears ANYWHERE in the constitution, other than the "Year of our Lord" boilerplate, which signifies the use of the modern calendar as a date.

    68. Re:Wishing him well by semiotec · · Score: 1

      I don't like his personality, nor the cult of Mac that has built up around it. But I do hope he'll recover soon, and perhaps finally realises that homeopathy does not work.

      Seriously, for someone so intelligent and rich, how could he possibly even consider homeopathy could cure his cancer? All it has done is delay proper treatment, and likely allowed further damages to occur.

    69. Re:Wishing him well by Teun · · Score: 1

      Markets are closed today.

      Your perception of 'Markets' has a flaw, don't invest!

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    70. Re:Wishing him well by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Point to a single objective account that indicates he is a terrible person (as he suggests). I know you are a mindless troll, but this is fun, and easy...

      This is the part where you make another smart-ass comment, but never at any point will you provide a link.

    71. Re:Wishing him well by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Every person dies eventually. If Apple needs Jobs to survive then so will Apple.

    72. Re:Wishing him well by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Woz still regularly professes his undying love for the man... I doubt you would ever get Woz to say he is a terrible person...

    73. Re:Wishing him well by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates will end up killing millions with his interference as Intellectual Property Ambassador to 3rd world countries.

      Some further elucidation is required here, I think. On the face of it, your statement is insane.

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    74. Re:Wishing him well by dlgeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sarcasm ===>

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    75. Re:Wishing him well by RaymondKurzweil · · Score: 1

      In this case, the original post was modded to +5, Insightful. So that seems like a good enough reason. He's just a stranger anyhow.

    76. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Neither Bill Gates nor Steve Jobs ever started a war of aggression on false pretexts, nor called for people to be killed*.

      (*And no, I'm not talking about dots on a map. Palin has actively called for the assassination of public figures, among them Julian Assange.)

    77. Re:Wishing him well by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      John Donne, Meditations XVII

      Thank you for posting this.

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    78. Re:Wishing him well by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Markets are closed today. Tomorrow morning, though, if I can buy before the earnings report, I will. (I'm not sure when the earning report comes out, but it should be obvious from the stock price.)

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    79. Re:Wishing him well by tehcyder · · Score: 0

      Especially as WWII contributed greatly to our current level of technology, e.g. computers.

      That must be right, because there has never been a peacetime scientific discovery or invention.

      You're a fucking spanner.

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    80. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 0

      No, OBL is responsible for all the deaths of 9-11, the African Embassy bombings, the Sudanese bombings and everyone that died in Afghanistan and Pakistan in military actions since 9-10-01.

      OBL could have taken a non-violent route to reforming Islam the way he wants it to be. He could have openly left Afghanistan and Pakistan and reconciled with Saudi Arabia, who would never have given him up to the US/NATO.

      But instead he has flamed the fans of Jihad in the region and a to a lesser extent, the world.

      All of those deaths are his fault.

      Iraq, well thats all Saddam, the Fedyeens, Jihadists and the Collation's fault.

    81. Re:Wishing him well by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Now you're going a bit to far

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    82. Re:Wishing him well by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      As much as I would love to see that happen (because Apple, as run by Jobs, is incredibly evil and deserves to die), it won't. The products are not made by Jobs, they are made by the design and engineering team he has helped to build. As long as that team remains there, Apple will continue making the same level of product it does today.

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    83. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, very interesting, in that it shows that (at least by appearances) he is a more thoughtful, cool guy than Jobs ever was. Can you imagine what would have happened if the situation was reversed, and Jobs found out years after the fact that he was cheated by the Woz? I bet he wouldn't brush it off, but sue Woz for not only the principal amount but any accrued interest.

      I don't care if Jobs is a human being. I wouldn't wish death on him, but I wouldn't feel bad if he croaks either. In fact I would be pretty satisfied. Woz, on the other hand, I would shed a tear and donate money to any foundations he supports.

    84. Re:Wishing him well by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I was a Commodore user in the 1980s, which made me anti-PC but no Mac lover. It did make it easier to switch from PC to Mac a few years ago, though, when it made economic sense to do so. My wife and I have no intention of being Apple fans; we have three iPods, an iPhone, an iPad, and two MacBook Pros based on the quality of the products and their ease of use. I bought the stock because I thought it would go up instead of stagnate or go down. If my opinion of their product line changes so will my purchasing and investment, but I have no personal dislike of any company or individuals who haven't attempted to subvert the laws of the country.

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    85. Re:Wishing him well by Americano · · Score: 1

      One man, making an impact on 700 million people, and their culture? And you call that minor?

      Jesus, is that you?!

    86. Re:Wishing him well by MadKeithV · · Score: 1

      Sarah Palin would draw the bullseye ON Uwe Boll.

    87. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

      I'm a Republican and Barak Obama != Osama Bin Laden.

      A tiny fringe on the right believes that crap, about the same size as the fringe on the left who think crack cocaine is a CIA program.

    88. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill has done plenty good on social front to not doubt a second before wishing him nothing but the best.

    89. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then why hasn't Palin explained why she bailed on the State of Alaska midway through her term?

    90. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

      I searched for "god" and got no results, "lord", got the one, just in the Year of our Lord, "religion" and got three results, two are in the Constitution and one is the outline at the top of the page.

    91. Re:Wishing him well by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make it any less funny to me as a joke. I have fairly conservative views, but if you can't laugh at society, you're just left with being disappointed with society.

    92. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Apple had profits for years under Sculley and Spindler, it was just at the end of Spindler and Amelio when everything sputtered into really bad territory.

    93. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot Obama

    94. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      Wish a good death then.

      There are good deaths and bad deaths, what he has faced the last seven years usually lead to a bad death.

    95. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and you are a mindless fanboy. what's your point...?

      Can i take the opportunity to wish steve jobs a swift end to his life. while his influence on computing has been entirely negative i wouldn't want him to suffer needlessly.

      And before he gets really going with his plans to team up with murdoch = another disgusting man whose influence the world would be better off without.

    96. Re:Wishing him well by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Look, I've got to draw the line on Uwe Boll.

    97. Re:Wishing him well by catmistake · · Score: 1

      b bbut... Steve Jobs ducks out just as Baby Doc returns? Coincidence?! Yeah, of course, that's just a big unrelated coincidence. (crosses fingers in the hopes that this non sequitur causes a few smart people to think WTF).

      P.S. I wish all republicans were like you (seen enough of your posts to know you are actually doing good works rather than getting rich off the backs of the bruised... plz keep it up)

    98. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer the bug-eyed Earl version

    99. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      I don't The Woz would say anyone is a terrible person. He's a big sweet cuddly genius teddy bear. Job's isn't the devil, but he's a terrible person.

      I'm no anti-Apple zealot either - I just bought a new Power Mac Desktop, and the wife has an iPhone.

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    100. Re:Wishing him well by slackbheep · · Score: 2

      If I remembers my learnin' all correct like if it wasn't invented to kill a man, it was invented to impress a woman, right?

    101. Re:Wishing him well by pieterh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. Lobby globally for a stronger patent system including patents on basic medical research that increase the cost of treatments and drugs for tropical disease by factors of 10x to 1000x. Rationale: such a patent system will also protect Microsoft's monopoly through patents on its file formats, interfaces, and opponents.
      2. Use your tax-deductible charity billions to 'sponsor' friendly government projects and punish those ministers who promote generic medicines, patent free zones, open source software, open standards.
      3. Profit.

      That's kind of the deal. I like Steve Job's because he's defined the curve of the gadgets I play with. I don't particularly like Bill Gates because he's made the world a worse and more dangerous place for my kids.

    102. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for someone who fails so comprehensively at seeing through public image and marketing you would make a really good apple customer... maybe even one of those fanboys, wait a minute...

    103. Re:Wishing him well by tsa · · Score: 1

      Oh man, what a mistake! I apologize for misreading your post.

      *bangs head against wall*

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    104. Re:Wishing him well by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Please extend the same sentiment to Hitler. Ah fuck, who are we kidding. The fucker is dead and that's a good thing.

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    105. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of those people are not like the others. Some have killed others to further their own goals.

      Uwe Boll killed some one? I know he killed a couple of franchises but I didn't know he had taken a life.

    106. Re:Wishing him well by iinlane · · Score: 1

      Bush might be your opponent but Bin Laden is an active enemy. There's a difference.

    107. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      sorry, *doubt

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    108. Re:Wishing him well by an_orphan · · Score: 1

      This is simple to answer. It's a form of smugness and self-promotion, to publicly wish a famous stranger well on an online forum makes yourself look well-aligned and better compared to other folks. If not that, then it's likely a comment in anticipation of poor taste of future posts (based on past slashdot posts).

    109. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you have not yet learned to appreciate the sweet taste of Schadenfreude.

      I truly enjoy seeing people who have been assholes get what's coming to them.

      One example is how Reagan lost his mind years before he died; considering how Reagan
      shafted the mentally ill in the US by yanking funding for mental hospitals, I really enjoyed
      knowing that Reagan's last years were a living hell.

    110. Re:Wishing him well by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0

      She has. The bottom feeders had swirled up there and were ripping the state to shreds needlessly. So she decided to do the state a favor by resigning.

      When you've become an Item of Mass Hate to a whole throng of loons, sometimes you do your cause a favor by dropping out of the scene for awhile.

      Nixon was also an object of hatred in the early 1960's. I look forward to Palin-haters peeing all over themselves regularly for at least several more decades.

    111. Re:Wishing him well by pyalot · · Score: 1

      I actually wish Uwe Boll more well then Steve Jobs. My reason is simple: I can ignore supporting Uwe Boll movies without any consequence whatsoever. However, I can't ignore supporting OSX and it's abysmal excuse of an ABI (also known as libobjc/cocoa).

    112. Re:Wishing him well by Raenex · · Score: 1

      I also can respect that he turned around Apple Computer and thanks to that we have more choice in desktop and mobile devices now.

      So the choice is between commodity-evil and shiny-evil?

      OK, that's a bit unfair. I think the iPhone opened up a new market. Surely that's worth a body part or two. Hey Steve, what do you need now?

    113. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 0

      She's thoroughly explained it, on more than one occasion. Whether you agree with what she did or not is up to you, but don't lie about what she's said.

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    114. Re:Wishing him well by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's kind of the deal. I like Steve Job's because he's defined the curve of the gadgets I play with.

      I don't log onto Slashdot to read about your vibrating butt plug.

    115. Re:Wishing him well by isaaccs · · Score: 1

      He may or may not be an asshole. What is indisputable is that whether you agree or disagree with the state of technology in America (and the world, it's a sector we dominate), Steve Jobs started Apple in a garage, and this is the company that introduced most of the world to computing as we know it. Respect is due.

    116. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

      "The bottom feeders'?

      See I've yet to see her explain that she quit the job she was elected for because she abused the system in a personnel issue for a family member.

      But is pointing that "bottom feeding"?

      If Palin were elected President, as soon as the press asked questions of her would she quit that job too?

    117. Re:Wishing him well by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      I watched an Uwe Boll film and died on the inside.

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    118. Re:Wishing him well by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      I didn't claim that there wasn't, only that WWII contributed to scientific discovery.

    119. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, she really didn't, she blamed it on the media.

      "The media incentivized political opponents to file false ethics charges and expensive, wasteful, frivolous lawsuits against me, my family and my staff, in an obvious attempt to destroy us.”

      Instead of talking about the joint Republican/Democratic investigation, its all the goddamned media's fault.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/ns/politics-decision_08/

      Then Sarah and her daughter went full Hollywood and started making the money.

    120. Re:Wishing him well by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Yes, except Religion, I'm not too sure where that stands.

    121. Re:Wishing him well by evilbessie · · Score: 1

      He's already in the 10%* so statistically at least he should be dead. *IIRC this is the survival rate at 5 years for pancreatic cancer.

    122. Re:Wishing him well by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I knew someone would come along and demonstrate my points about hypersensitivity and incivility.

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    123. Re:Wishing him well by multi+io · · Score: 1

      He didn't have pancreatic cancer, he had a neuroendocrine tumor, which has a much better prognosis. 5 years or even longer survival isn't uncommon for this type of cancer. That said, his chances for long-term survival are probably bleak right now if the tumor has returned.

    124. Re:Wishing him well by david.a.judge · · Score: 1

      I believe the parent is mistaking the constitution for the 'pledge of allegiance'
      "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
      (of course the 'one nation under god' bit was added in 1954)

    125. Re:Wishing him well by bughunter · · Score: 1

      I still believe that Jobs has made one hell of a positive impact on society.

      No he didn't. In retrospect to the whole of the 7 billion, he's made an implant on maybe 10%. He's made a minor impact on western culture.

      Who the hell even implied that the man made a positive impact on every soul in the world? I said 'society,' implying 'western culture,' and specifically, the geek technophile part of that culture.

      Sorry to offend you by complimenting someone you hold in low regard.

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    126. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you disgracing the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The markets are closed today in his honor. You are a racist.

    127. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 0
      That article only tells part of the story. How about pointing out that she was cleared by the AK Personnel Board's investigation afterwards?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/politics/04palin.html?_r=1&ref=politics

      She resigned because the multitude of unfounded investigations against her were costing the state money, costing her money, and taking her time away from running the state. She's said as much on multiple occasions, including in her book. She was 600k+ in debt to her lawyers, and the unfounded investigations, abusing Alaska's ethics laws, kept piling up.

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    128. Re:Wishing him well by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wish Jobs or Gates well?

      Why? I don't know them personally. These aren't my family. I don't admire them. They're rich billionaires who've often made their money by stepping on people and they have their own family to wish them well. Jobs included.

      Wishing them well would feel like stumbling around drunk yelling "I love you, man" to random strangers.

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    129. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs killed PPC! :(

    130. Re:Wishing him well by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      Eh. You don't really get to complain about ethics suits against you when you've even filed one against yourself.

    131. Re:Wishing him well by syousef · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure why people become attached to famous strangers while not caring about obscure strangers.

      Cult of hero worship is about right. They either admire or wish to emulate something the person has done or some aspect of their personality that they're famous for.

      It all comes down to our basic instincts when it comes to community. Human beings developed to socially cope with small communities including friends of friends and strangers we've only heard about in the 3rd person. Famous people give us someone in common to give us the feeling of being in the same community as strangers. So we act like we know them by association so we're part of a greater community. Too bad that greater community is just a fake social construct based needs we developed as we evolved.

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    132. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wishing them well would feel like stumbling around drunk yelling "I love you, man" to random strangers.

      wow you're a huge db. you wouldn't wish somebody well when they're sick with cancer / liver transplant / other illness? I assume you never give any money or time to charity, because that would be benefiting people who you don't know, and only stupids would do that.

    133. Re:Wishing him well by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I don't like his personality, nor the cult of Mac that has built up around it. But I do hope he'll recover soon, and perhaps finally realises that homeopathy does not work.

      Seriously, for someone so intelligent and rich, how could he possibly even consider homeopathy could cure his cancer? All it has done is delay proper treatment, and likely allowed further damages to occur.

      Liver transplants are homeopathic?

      Who knew?

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    134. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      You mean where she "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda.''

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awseYZEQaikU

      And her defense fund was illegal too

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/24/sarah-palin-defense-fund_n_624833.html

      Sorry but using the ethics laws as the boogyman and blaming the press just doesn't fly, it hamstrung Joe Miller's campaign and its not an excuse for quitting the job she was elected for.

    135. Re:Wishing him well by sznupi · · Score: 0

      I wonder, who it to blame for turning a blind eye / supporting one particular Mujahideen faction ... one which, apart from fighting the Soviets (letting them succeed would perhaps stabilize the place BTW; we basically fight the continuation of essentially the same war), was always eager to eliminate local opponents.

      And I suppose the political climate in Iran is also exclusively the fault of Khomeini? 1953 coup d'etat, in a staunchly neutral country going towards modern reforms (heck, even as it is now they are beaten basically only by Muslim countries outside the region) can be ignored?

      ...or perhaps some people are simply a product.

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    136. Re:Wishing him well by sznupi · · Score: 1

      The latter though has some level of validity.

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    137. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we don't. But for example if this were a hot chick...

      (I just realized this is a story about the Borg).

    138. Re:Wishing him well by Thomasje · · Score: 1

      How did that cold-hearted garbage get modded "insightful"? Maybe I'm really, really unusual, but I do, in fact, care about all those 7 billion. Sure, I can't keep up to date with every facebook page on the planet, attend every wedding and every funeral, sit by every bedside, etc. etc. etc. In fact, I can make a substantial difference in only a handful of lives, and the rest of humanity is utterly beyond my ability to help. And yet, I care about them.

    139. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh, really? I'm sorry, but nobody specials do not deserve the same kind of respect that CEO's, pundits, and even directors of crappy movies deserve.

    140. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he catch AIDS from Commander Taco?

    141. Re:Wishing him well by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wishing them well would feel like stumbling around drunk yelling "I love you, man" to random strangers.

      wow you're a huge db. you wouldn't wish somebody well when they're sick with cancer / liver transplant / other illness? I assume you never give any money or time to charity, because that would be benefiting people who you don't know, and only stupids would do that.

      Assumptions about someone you don't know...you know what they say about assumptions. I will however tell you that when I do donate to charity, it isn't to rich billionaires.

      I guess you must be a huge douche too? Almost as big as me. After all there are 7 billion people on the planet, each with their own problems, and you don't wish 99.99999% of them well.

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    142. Re:Wishing him well by i_b_don · · Score: 2

      um... fuck no. Steve Jobs is a corporate executive that competes in a market place to earn money. He has done nothing bad in this world that I'm aware of and has headed a company that has produced some great products. I am the farthest thing from an apple drone you can find, but I have no problem honoring the man.

      However some of the people on the list have caused great harm, death, and spread lies that have harmed the lives of millions of people. There are people on your list who I would love to hear are diagnosed with cancer and I will be silently happy when they die. I have no moral qualms about this.

      d

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    143. Re:Wishing him well by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Please extend the same sentiment when Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Stewart, Castro, Chavez, Gaddafi, Sarkozy, Uwe Boll and many others do not feel well.

      Granted, though I'm still pondering the ordering you supplied and the presence of Capt Picard in your list.

    144. Re:Wishing him well by tobiah · · Score: 1

      "dared to publish an unauthorised autobiography of him"

      How does someone write a biography about themselves and not authorize it? Or is this a copyright infringement issue?

      "He refused to acknowledge his daughter, who his mother initially had to raise on welfare payments. "

      I think the real issue here is that Jobs' mother was also the mother of his daughter. I can see how he might not want to acknowledge that...

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    145. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please extend the same sentiment when Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Stewart, Castro, Chavez, Gaddafi, Sarkozy, Uwe Boll and many others do not feel well.

      Nope, there is a HUGE difference between Gates,Jobs crowd vs. the Glen Becks, Palin and Limbaugh crowd. The first two are upstanding people who have made long lasting POSITIVE contributions to our world as whole while the later are bottom feeders that make their by living and fame by provoking and eliciting the worst traits in human kind. There is no comparison.

    146. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 1

      You know why she did it, right?

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    147. Re:Wishing him well by Sprouticus · · Score: 0

      you could argue the pope deserrves to be in that category as well.

    148. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 1
      And you continue to ignore that she was cleared of all wrongdoing, *after* the article you posted was published. And let's just quote the huffington post blog you linked, since you obviously were hoping I wouldn't click on the link (of course I already know the score, you're just headline hunting on a subject you're completely ignorant about):

      State Personnel Board investigator Timothy Petumenos said the Alaska Fund Trust inappropriately used the word "official" on its website, wrongly implying that it was endorsed by Palin in her role as governor.

      But Petumenos also found that Palin – the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee – acted in good faith and relied on a team of attorneys to make sure the fund was lawful and complied with the Alaska Executive Branch Act.

      She didn't authorize it, didn't endorse it, and didn't take any money from it. Someone else set it up.

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    149. Re:Wishing him well by twoears · · Score: 1

      Please extend the same sentiment when Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Stewart, Castro, Chavez, Gaddafi, Sarkozy, Uwe Boll and many others do not feel well.

      I don't count some of them as "fellow human beings."

    150. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about pre 9-10-01 or anything at all about Iran.

      As for Afghanistan pre 2001, the West and China (remember the US/CIA weren't alone in backing factions in the Afghan-Soviet war) backed a lot of factions in the 80s and 90s, the Taliban wasn't the only group to get backing and the Taliban and their training isn't a product of just the US and/or Saudis.

      Re Iran, not my area of study, my Masters work just on the Indian Wars, Arab-Israeli War and MOUT.

    151. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      If she did nothing wrong why did she leave all of a sudden? Parnell wasn't even in the State when she quit.

      She quit to make money and she is dishonest when the claims it was for any other reason.

      And I'm waiting for her to explain why she quit, and as an Alaskan voter and registered Republican I feel she owes the state an honest explanation.

    152. Re:Wishing him well by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that whatever medical treatments he needs, he has more than enough money to pay for the very best kind.

      And there are also people in this world with identical medical conditions living in abject poverty who cannot afford the best medical treatments.

      So whilst I don't wish illness on anyone on this planet, I likewise see no reason to single out Mr. Jobs specifically for a speedy recovery purely on the basis that he is wealthy, in the media and runs a big company.

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    153. Re:Wishing him well by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You may not like any of Apple's products, but a healthy Apple makes for an industry that is pushed in a much better direction for all.

      Smartphones, for the most part, were absolute crap before the iPhone came along. Now we have plenty of good competitors. This is one of many areas that Apple has influenced the entire industry in a positive way.

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    154. Re:Wishing him well by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I suspect you and I have different opinions of why that was...

    155. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 1

      You've been told already why she resigned. She didn't resign to make money, she resigned because the leftist liberals were abusing the Alaskan ethics laws to put her so far into financial debt and tie her hands in her job that there was no way for her to stay. The other reason she resigned was so that she could put a public face on the conservative movement, and she did that very successfully in the 2010 elections. Also, Sean Parnell was sworn in on the same day she resigned, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say -- she didn't resign the day she gave her speech (July 3d), she resigned about 3 weeks later, on July 26th, the same day Parnell was sworn in to replace her.

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    156. Re:Wishing him well by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1
      Actually, the poster may be referring to Obama's misquoting of the Declaration of Independence, where he omitted the term "the Creator" on two separate instances.

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that each of us are endowed with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. -- Obama

      vs

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. -- Declaration of Independence

    157. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, OBL is responsible for all the deaths of 9-11, the African Embassy bombings, the Sudanese bombings and everyone that died in Afghanistan and Pakistan in military actions since 9-10-01.

      Really? As far as we know, only one guy ever claimed OBL "masterminded" anything, and he embezzled a fair sum of money, then headed off to live on the US government's teat. OBL and al-Qaeda are boogiemen, and the latter didn't even exist until we coined the name ...

    158. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading comprehension. You just failed it fucking hard. Please try again.

    159. Re:Wishing him well by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Misquoting vs paraphrasing?

      What about the Senators leaving out whole sections of the Constitution?

    160. Re:Wishing him well by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      His name is Gates, not "Gate".

    161. Re:Wishing him well by thunderclap · · Score: 2

      Yes it is. Steve Jobs is Intellectual Property Ambassador to 3rd world countries. Gates's foundation simply cures malaria.

    162. Re:Wishing him well by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Okay, then - paraphrasing.

    163. Re:Wishing him well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      How about, because I'm not American, and outside America the markets are not closed, as the 7% dip reported earlier showed.

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    164. Re:Wishing him well by semiotec · · Score: 1
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jan/15/steve-jobs-apple-future

      after an 18-month battle with cancer, which he had tried to treat with a homeopathic diet before finally agreeing to undergo surgery and hand over temporary control of Apple to someone else."

      I guess you were just too lazy to look things up and still wanted to disagree.

    165. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a personal level, I hope he gets better.

      On a business level, I hope someone less evil takes over. I don't like where Steve is taking computing these days, locking people in and preventing competition.

    166. Re:Wishing him well by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, you are telling me why she resigned.

      She never told the State of Alaska why she resigned other than noise about the media hounding her, something that became the cry of Joe Miller when the media didn't fawn over him in October and November of the '10 cycle.

      As for being successful, the Tea Party movement cost the Republicans the Senate and lost seats that should have gone GOP, most notably Reid's seat in Nevada.

      As for her resigning because there was "no way for her to stay." Well that is complete garbage. Clinton didn't resign when the right attacked him on '94 or '97-98, he stayed in the office the people elected him to and paid him to work in.

      What ethics laws did the "leftist liberals" abuse?
      Feel free to point them out - http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/statutes.htm

      Palin just showed she's a quitter, so if somehow she became President I'd expect her to quit as soon as the Daily Show said something mean about her.

    167. Re:Wishing him well by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      Drop dead :)

    168. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he did no such thing - and from tricking idiots like you into believing such crap he has made a great deal of money. if there was anyone at apple who was technologically influential in any way it was wozniak. and like apple he copied other ideas that were floating around - such as those developed by xerox.

      jobs is great at marketing, not that he would need to be to hoodwink someone like you.

      now get back to your itunes and shut-up.

    169. Re:Wishing him well by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Surely you don't look at 9/11 as an isolated event? (Iran, for one, being part of the general background too)

      I didn't claim they were the only group to get backing. But at the least - reports of...inconsistencies (considering them, it is pretty damn close to backing primarily this one group) were ignored.

      But regarding more directly "...is responsible for ...everyone that died in Afghanistan and Pakistan in military actions since 9-10-01" and "I didn't say anything about pre 9-10-01" - of course you did. Surely you must realize how the course of action was set before that date? That perhaps (regarding further link) the date was mostly set & some forces in place?

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    170. Re:Wishing him well by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Whether you love or hate what he's done in the industry, he's a fellow human being first, and I hope he has a speedy recovery.

      Personally, I find it disconcerting when random strangers wish me well in times of sickness especially when its either done in front of other people or in a public forum.

      One, it does not make me actually get better.
      Two, it makes me wonder if I have to be hurt or sick to get noticed.
      Three, if they really cared, they'd make me some soup or something instead.
      Five, there is no need to do it publicly to make yourself seem like the next Mother Theresa. Send me a get well soon card in private as there is no need to broadcast your charity to others in some display of your holiness.

      But seriously, people really shouldn't make a habit of publicly wishing people well they don't know or have emotions about. To be fair, you'd have to wish everyone on the planet well so unless you say "...and I wish all 6 billion people well!" at the end of your comment, then you're not really being nice to everyone else sick and dying (technically everyone has contracted mortality at birth).

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    171. Re:Wishing him well by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Apparently I not well enough right now to count... Please hold off on your public get well wishes.

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    172. Re:Wishing him well by packslash · · Score: 0

      you bought a new power mac that they don't make anymore?

    173. Re:Wishing him well by joshki · · Score: 1
      Yes, I'm telling you why she resigned. That's what you keep saying you don't know. Of course, you're the only one on the planet who doesn't, but hey -- I'm here as a public service.

      The "Tea Party" didn't cost the republicans anything -- Reid's seat was never going GOP, as he won it with election fraud. I live here.

      O'Donnell didn't lose because of the "Tea Party", she lost because of idiot old-guard republicans who couldn't stomach the thought of a young conservative in office. They removed all funding when she won the primary, and then ridiculed and mocked her continually on the public stage -- Karl Rove is the reason she lost, not the "Tea Party".

      Clinton should have resigned. He cost this country a great deal by wasting millions of dollars of taxpayer money for his defense, and completely ignoring his job for years -- guess what? Palin didn't have that option. She was paying her own legal bills, out of her own pocket, and she had the integrity to stand down when it didn't make sense to stay.

      If you're an Alaskan, which I doubt, and you don't know which ethics laws the liberals abused to file baseless complaint after baseless complaint against her, I'd recommend you learn a bit about your own state's laws. It's the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act, which everybody who pays even the tiniest bit of attention to politics (which you obviously don't, considering you quote huffington post and msnbc to me as authorities on the subject) knows.

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    174. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I am fine with extending that sentiment to Bush, Palin, Limbaugh, Stewart, Castro, Chavez, Gaddafi, Sarkozy, Uwe Boll, and anyone else (even Osama Bin Laden) but I hope you go to hell

    175. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She didn't resign to make money, she resigned because the leftist liberals were abusing the Alaskan ethics laws to put her so far into financial debt and tie her hands in her job that there was no way for her to stay.

      Speaking as a Republican, I'm glad that Reagan didn't resign as soon as the "leftist liberals" started "abusing" him and "tying his hands."

      A low-wattage cheerleader who's flunked out of a half-dozen basket-weaving schools is not the sort of person I want running the local McDonalds franchise, much less my state or country.

    176. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good old Wyatt never lets reality infringe on his distorted world view. In his eyes nothing is the fault of the US, whom he so coveniently forgets were for many years the leading sponsors of terrorism in the world, and reaped its crop at 9/11.

    177. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Lol, sorry, I still can't remember to call them 'Mac Pro' desktops.

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    178. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a crap constitution anyway... outdated, written by a bunch of old men and very boring.

    179. Re:Wishing him well by noidentity · · Score: 1

      So I guess the announcement was particularly carefully timed, not only falling on a US public holiday, but coming just before an earnings report that will presumably be positive and help to mitigate the damage when the US market re-opens.

      They're still waiting for a good time to announce the real news: there is no Steve Jobs, just a mass delusion.

    180. Re:Wishing him well by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I thought she did it to star on reality TV.

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    181. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the parts that are repealed and not part of current US law?

    182. Re:Wishing him well by Stihdjia · · Score: 1

      And then someone would shoot him.

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    183. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's kind of the deal. I like Steve Job's because he's defined the curve of the gadgets I play with. I don't particularly like Bill Gates because he's made the world a worse and more dangerous place for my kids."

      You do realise how utterly retarded that comment is right? Apart from the fact that much of what you're suggesting is the case for the Bill and Melissa Gates foundation simply isn't true but is in fact merely myth perpetuated by the armies of (arguably justified) Microsoft haters, let's just give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is all true. What we do know is that even if it has done these things, it's also still managed to get millions of dollars of medicine and aid to the people who need it also, that probably doesn't balance out the evil things if they were true, but it's an important point.

      Now contrast this to your dear Steve Jobs, he does not have a philanthropic bone in his body and has seemingly not even got a penny into the hands of those who need it. He and his company are renowned for hoarding cash, his company doesn't even pay dividends despite being one of the most well placed in the world to do so. Compare the practices of Apple as a company, where it's continued to do business, despite having sent auditors over themselves, with a Chinese manufacturer that has pushed many staff to suicide, that has had others suffer serious injuries, illness, and even death through poor health and safety standards. His products are designed to be replaced frequently through non-user replaceable batteries, voided warranties if you get them replaced by a third party, and high costs that don't justify anything other than buying the latest gen device if you do it officially. His products use cheap materials which are highly toxic when disposed of, and as they are disposed of regularly due to Apple's policy of forcing obsolescence of products often unnecessarily Apple is a major contributor to hazard waste in dumps in places like Africa.

      But of course, he's "defined the curve" of the gadgets you play with, so that's okay then right? That alone means it's okay that he is in fact responsible for making the world a worse and more dangerous place for your kids in Job's case. I wont defend Gates against fair criticism, but christ, you seem to actually believe Jobs is somehow a better person, what the fuck? Get some fucking perspective, if you're going to suggest Gates has made the world a worse place, you've got to be pretty fucking dense to think Jobs hasn't. Jobs is, at very least, as bad as Gates, but by many objective measures, he's in fact far worse.

      Keep turning a blind eye to it though wont you, because you're a perfect example of an Apple fanboy who can't see anything he doesn't want to even if it makes him look like a hypocritical tosser. People like you are part the fucking problem with this planet, and your naivety and ignorance towards the likes of Steve Jobs' business practices in itself makes the world a worse place for your kids because you're supporting the kind of waste and abuse of staff in China just so you can get your latest iPhone. Next time you pull it out your pocket, do yourself a favour, and ask yourself "Is this a phone assembled by one of the staff members who went on to kill themselves?".

    184. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who think crack cocaine is a CIA program.

      Iran-Contra Affair, Google it.

    185. Re:Wishing him well by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      I guess you were just too lazy to look things up and still wanted to disagree

      Where, exactly, do you think you are? ;) (Not that I am always guilt free in this department either...)

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    186. Re:Wishing him well by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I think the OP was trying to say that we should wish all human beings well simply because we don't like other human beings to suffer. It was a general point about our humanity and how we care for the welfare of strangers, up to a point.

      Someone then pointed out that maybe we do wish some people would die, although that is a different point because most executions are supposed to be quick and not involve much suffering. The only thing I would add is that taking out late on in the war Hitler might not necessarily have stopped the holocaust as there were others who would have taken over. Ditto Bin Laden, Bill Gates et. al. By the time there is some justification for an execution it is often too late to fix things simply by killing that one person.

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    187. Re:Wishing him well by hazydave · · Score: 1

      Freedom remains a choice. And in its own weird way, Apple may have helped promote this. By being so repressive and so successful in the smart phone and tablet markets, they made openness a big selling point among the competition.

      So sure, Apple is the dark side of freedom in computing, but I'm not sure the overall effects winds up a negative sum. Certainly, it was the prospect of close/proprietary search that mobilized Google to buy Android and open source it all (well, everything at the OS level). And probably at least in part the need to be an alternative to the iPhone that kept them from locking it into the Android Market.

      And while Apple certainly didn't invent as much of the things in these new systems as the media likes to believe, they certainly did get it to market early, and make it popular. I'll never use an Apple product, but I can appreciate that some of the things I do use are better because they had to take on Apple's things.

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    188. Re:Wishing him well by rgviza · · Score: 1

      true that.

      At the same time, I'd sell my apple stock now while the gettin' is good.

      History indicates Apple will now go straight into the toilet without Jobs at the helm.

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    189. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, he's making the world worse and more dangerous for your kids by giving away his cash and helping thousands out. You're a fucking idiot.

    190. Re:Wishing him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Some have killed others to further their own goals

      That'll be Palin then, right?

    191. Re:Wishing him well by alexo · · Score: 1

      He refused to acknowledge his daughter, who his mother initially had to raise on welfare payments.

      Quote:
      When Jobs had his own illegitimate child, also at the age of 23, he too struggled with his responsibilities. For two years, though already wealthy, he denied paternity while Lisa's mother went on welfare. At one point Jobs even swore in a signed court document that he couldn't be Lisa's father because he was "sterile and infertile, and as a result thereof, did not have the physical capacity to procreate a child." He later acknowledged paternity of Lisa, married Laurene Powell, a Stanford MBA, and fathered three more children.

      He may have been a great CEO for Apple but he's also a cold blooded jerk.

  2. Get well soon, Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peace.

    1. Re:Get well soon, Steve by TheCRAIGGERS · · Score: 1

      He has more money than god. If a cure exists for whatever ails him, you can be sure he'll receive it.

    2. Re:Get well soon, Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, everybody has more 'money' than god... jack wagon.

  3. AAPL by JoeWalsh · · Score: 1

    AAPL fall down, go BOOM!

    Actually, there might not be much effect this time. Maybe investors are getting used to this.

    1. Re:AAPL by pyalot · · Score: 1

      shorting AAPL is tricky business.

    2. Re:AAPL by Xest · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well this is why they announced it on a US bank holiday when no shares are trading there.

      In Frankfurt, Europe meanwhile, Apple shares are already down 7%.

      Looks like it's business as usual in the crazy world of Apple shares.

    3. Re:AAPL by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 1

      It's down about 10% now in Frankfurt- This seems like too much to me. Steve's health issues are already priced into the stock.

      I bet it will be down more around ~6% when the US stock opens. I'm tempted to buy some stock on the Frankfurt market.

    4. Re:AAPL by dunezone · · Score: 1

      Those are probably the knee-jerk responses from short term investors or those who take any bad news as GTFO out of that stock ASAP. Anyone who has invested a decent amount of capital into Apple has already considered the risks of Steve Jobs leaving this world tomorrow. Long term investors are the investors who are wondering or asking whats next in the pipeline to bring in profit not whats the daily status of Steve Jobs liver. Additionally, its not like Apple doesn't have a plan in place for this scenario, even before Steve Jobs left for the first time several years ago they were writing up transition plans to make sure business operations and management transition as smoothly as possible.

    5. Re:AAPL by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's important to note as well that he's planning on staying on as CEO during the leave, involved in strategic decisions. He's _probably_ expecting to be in pretty good shape during the leave- If he was getting another transplant or some other serious surgery I think the statement describing the leave would _probably_ be worded differently.

    6. Re:AAPL by techtuck · · Score: 1

      I'm not very knowledgeable on share trading, can you expand on this - Apple are listed on the NASDAQ so I'd have thought if this was closed for trading then you can't trade APPL, or if you can make private trades, that these wouldn't impact the price until registered with the NASDAQ.

    7. Re:AAPL by Wovel · · Score: 1

      It is not a particularly good long term strategy. With a solid strategy you could manage it technically over a day or two, but 95% of the people who even bother to try will lose big.

    8. Re:AAPL by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      In Frankfurt, Europe

      Thank you for explaining where Frankfurt is.

    9. Re:AAPL by w_dragon · · Score: 1

      Many companies trade on multiple exchanges. I believe it's just that some percentage of the company trades on one, some percentage on another.

    10. Re:AAPL by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Remember, Slashdot is an American centric site, given our propensity to misunderestimate geography, such helpful hints are likely a good idea.

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    11. Re:AAPL by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      I remember, I just thought it was funny that he wrote "Europe".

      If you're going to specify which Frankfurt you're talking about, one would expect "Frankfurt, Germany".

    12. Re:AAPL by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I could say "Frankfurt, Germany, Europe" but then I repeat myself.

  4. What this means... by snakedot · · Score: 1

    This could be somewhat troubling for Apple. The company is doing extremely well at the moment, and I'm guessing that's thanks to Jobs. If he is forced to retire permanently, could Apple enter another death spiral?

    1. Re:What this means... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na, Apple is to big. They will just become another MS and circle around soaking up money with no real goals in sight.

    2. Re:What this means... by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, Apple is not too big. And that's the problem. Apple effectively has 4 products. iPods, iPhones, iPads, and laptop/desktops. The only reason Apple continues to make money is not because of that 4th one. It's because of the first three, and only because they've convinced people that they need to continually upgrade their mp3 player or phone. If Apple fucks up on even one upgrade cycle on one of those three products, they're likely to lose a chunk of those people on the annual upgrade cycle, and the entire company's fucked and without Jobs' RDF, it'd probably not have time to recover. As much as I hate Apple as a company, I will freely admit that they've done well in continually making a product that's clearly superior to the last, and maintaining a pretty fierce brand loyalty. Unfortunately, most of that loyalty isn't based on product quality, but image, and Jobs is a HUGE part of that.

      As an MS fanboy, and a proponent of choice and freedom in use of hardware I've purchased, and as a human being, I wish Jobs a long, healthy life; no one else could make a viable commercial alternative to Windows at this point, everyone else will see the walled garden, try it, and fail, bringing more openness, and really, I can't wish harm on another human, especially if all they've done is be a douche.

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    3. Re:What this means... by JWW · · Score: 0

      As an MS fanboy, and a proponent of choice and freedom in use of hardware I've purchased

      So, you're only concerned about hardware freedom and don't care about software freedom, eh? Your comment would make sense if you used the words "Linux Fanboy" instead. MS and their concepts of software licensing are a bane to software choice and freedom. While Apple's walled garden may not be good, it does show the Android folks what they need to do and the ease of managing your applications that is required in the current smartphone arena. Which will be good for software freedom in the long run.

    4. Re:What this means... by twidarkling · · Score: 0

      Figured someone would go after that. I like software freedom as much as hardware, I just think linux is a complete fucking failure as a model for market viability. Can't be a fanboy of something you think's a failure. I do enjoy MS's products for the most part, but my phone's an Android. I'll be a Linux fanboy the moment that running it as a base install becomes as trivially easy as a Win 7 install. The power of linux is in its customizability, but the power of Windows is I don't need to research the fuck out of any hardware I plan to get to make sure it's compatible, and then hope that if any bugs pop up, someone will be kind enough to fix it.

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    5. Re:What this means... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Your entire post is one giant contradiction.

      One the one hand, you issue the statement that "If Apple fucks up one upgrade cycle on one of their products, people will leave in droves" - to the point that the company could not recover from ONE bad upgrade.

      And then you go on to tell us that they have "done well in continually making a product that's clearly superior to the last, and maintaining a pretty fierce brand loyalty." About which you then assert that, "most of that loyalty isn't based on product quality, but image."

      So which is it - they make good products that people like and want to buy? Or they produce crap that they trick people into buying with their devious manipulation of people's tastes via their "image"? If it's the former, they could easily withstand one bad product cycle, though it seems you'd agree that they're unlikely to HAVE one, since they have a track record of continually improving on their last one. If it's the latter, then your statements about the continual improvement in their products is nonsensical, as it's clear you believe they produce nothing but crap.

      Not to mention an "MS Fanboy" calling himself a "proponent of choice and freedom in use of hardware I've purchased."

      Do you ever take a consistent, logical position that isn't self-contradictory? Or is that your schtick?

    6. Re:What this means... by sydneyfong · · Score: 0

      I've had more hardware troubles with Windows than with Linux for quite a long time.

      What are you, a time traveler from 2000?

      You do know that your Android phone runs Linux, don't you?

      I mean, you truly are a MS Fanboy when you can't even see how Microsoft is the true failure for the last decade. Sure, you can continue to believe what you believe, I just thought you might appreciate a reality check once in a while.

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    7. Re:What this means... by nibbles2004 · · Score: 0

      Canada : The US's runt of a dog that should be left in the garden, even when it's raining. btw, not american

    8. Re:What this means... by Mr+Bubble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this whole idea that Apple users have fierce brand loyalty because we are mesmerized by marketing, packaging, and image - or that we are posers - is just crap. Apple succeeds because they believe in design down to their bones - not packaging design, but systems design. Apple believes that all parts of the product should be elegant and well thought out. They don't always succeed, but they try harder than anyone else. I use Apple products because they are well designed and retain their value and usefulness over long periods of time. And, I was an advocate for Apple back when their stock was in the toilet and people like Michael Dell - who wouldn't know innovation if it bit him in the ass - were saying shut the company down.

      I also take issue with Apple not being an innovator. Apple's kit is full of innovation - whether it is manufacturing techniques, changes in the direction of computing, Operating systems, design, frameworks, functionality - you name it. By the standards people like to apply to Apple, no one is innovative.

      Steve Jobs has been a huge boon to the computer revolution and to people like us who love computers and what they can do. NEXT was doing stuff in the nineties that made Windows look like a joke. The reason we are all walking around with mini touch screen computers is Apple and Steve jobs. One primary reason why MS is kept in check and doesn't own the Internet with their proprietary crap browser is WebKit. Yes, WebKit was KHTML, but it was a shell of what it could be. Now it powers Google Chrome, Android, Rim, WebOS, Nokia's Symbian - hell, even Office 2011 uses it for its HTML email. As someone who loves Linux, I think Apple has given Linux space to breath and helped to create a multi-polar computing world. Besides, isn't that the idea of open source - to not reinvent the wheel and to build on things and make them better while releasing things back into the wild? That is definitely innovation. You guys can keep bashing Apple as a company for posers while the rest of the industry waits for Apple to come out with the next big idea to copy.

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    9. Re:What this means... by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Apple effectively has 4 products. iPods, iPhones, iPads, and laptop/desktops.

      You forgot about iTunes, which is estimated to have generated a revenue of $1.8 Billion in 2009. Sure the total revenue may not be as large as total hardware revenue, but it's not chump change either.

    10. Re:What this means... by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      If you consider restricting what users can do with their devices and simplifying things to the point where for a lot of people it is simply not functional anymore innovating, then yes they are innovating quite well.

      Apples designs are only good for set pieces of functionality, if your needs differ from that functionality that steve has dictated, you are boned.

      For the majority of people most of the functionality offered suffices because to be frank they do not know or care about what their devices are actually capable of. Those that do hate apple.

    11. Re:What this means... by walter.dufresne · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked, Apple's laptop/desktop business *alone* would put Apple on the Fortune 100.

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  5. This does not bode well for Apple by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    While Steve leaves Apple in capable hands for now, no CEO is as closely associated to the public image as Steve is with Apple. Seriously how many people can name the CEO of another company much less recognize the person? There are few: Larry Ellison, Philip Knight, Rupert Murdoch, Warren Buffet. The stock is going to take a dip just on this news alone.

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    1. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you may not know as many CEOs as you think. How about Vince McMahon and WWE?

    2. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by Bloodwine77 · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates and Microsoft. Microsoft didn't nosedive when Bill left. In fact, Windows 7 is a great product and Microsoft is doing fine. If Steve Jobs were smart he'd hand pick his successor and start touting him up and building the new person as the face of Apple so that when Steve jobs step down it won't obliterate the stock. Apple is a very image-driven company and Steve is the central pillar of that image.

    3. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Like Tim Cook, the guy who was on stage with Verizon, the guy who negotiated the Verizon deal, the guy who took over last time he went on leave?

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    4. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Tim Cook

      The guy that actually runs apple.

    5. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by russotto · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates and Microsoft. Microsoft didn't nosedive when Bill left. In fact, Windows 7 is a great product and Microsoft is doing fine.

      1) Microsoft isn't the cult of personality Apple is.
      2) Since Gates left, Microsoft has been running on inertia.
         

    6. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates is no longer CEO of Microsoft, but many in the public still believe he is CEO. Ballmer is hardly known outside of tech circles. Rightly or wrongly, the public identifies Jobs with Apple. Bill stepped down; Jobs may be forced to retire one way or another. Investors are fickle. Stock prices go up on a rumor of the next iProduct.

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    7. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      Apple is not like Microsoft. Look what happened to Apple the last time Jobs left.

    8. Re:This does not bode well for Apple by choko · · Score: 1

      You forgot Richard Branson. His antics rival those of Steve Jobs.

  6. I wanna be a rich man... by Fizzl · · Score: 1

    Man, it would totally suck to die as a billionaire at his age...

    1. Re:I wanna be a rich man... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wanna be happy. We all die. Stacking up zeroes isn't making The Jobs immortal, only immoral.

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    2. Re:I wanna be a rich man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wouldn't it suck to die as a billionaire at any age?

    3. Re:I wanna be a rich man... by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Immoral? Based on what?

  7. Meanwhile, back in Steve Ballmer's secret lair by Deathnerd · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Steve Ballmer sits in his swivel chair, reading slashdot on his oversized jumbotron, petting his hairless cat.

    Steve (evil overlord voice): "Yes. Good. Everything is going according to plan. Soon I will rule the world!"

    1. Re:Meanwhile, back in Steve Ballmer's secret lair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, another slashtard just can't get over himself. Any excuse to bring out the hate is good enough.

  8. It's good Tim is getting more exposure by DTemp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    (Orthogonal to the fact that everyone wishes Steve good health,)

    It's good for Apple that Tim Cook is getting so much exposure at the helm. There are many shareholders, as well as a significant amount of the tech press, that think Apple can't stand on its own without Steve. Any way Apple can show that it can continue it's current success streak with or without Steve is good for the long-term health of the company.

    1. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Absolutely. There are two or three good CEO Material people just there right now. Either Tim Cook, or Johnatan Ive, or Bob Mansfield for instance.

    2. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 1

      Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Cook has been pretty much running the show for quite some time. Jobs likes to work, he wouldn't be taking a medical leave unless it was interfering with his job. Things like this don't just crop up, he's probably been dealing with these new complications for some time and hasn't been putting in his full work week and handing off a lot of power to Cook.

      Also, how do we know that Jobs coming back after his liver transplant isn't just to appease the stock market and that Cook has been running the whole show since the first time Jobs left? From their perspective, it would make sense. Jobs hasn't been such a big voice lately, ever since his medical problems started in fact.

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    3. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Probably, but the tech press doesn't love Jobs for his day-to-day operations. I don't think anyone expects Jobs to be really 100% gone unless he's deadly ill. Unless he's really so out of it that Apple must make major strategic choices without him, people will think he's still running the show.

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    4. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      Yes, but the things that put Apple ahead of everyone else, like releasing a giant sized iPod touch don't necessarily take a lot of Steve Job's time, however they are things that nobody else thought of before he did.

    5. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will Steve still be able to embezzle money from Apple Computer without being CEO?

    6. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by monopole · · Score: 1

      You mean nobody pushed the hype level on tablets to 11 before he did. My SmartQ7 and Fujitsu 5032D existed well before the iPad.

    7. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      that think Apple can't stand on its own without Steve.

      Its important to remember that the last time Steve left Apple, it did in fact fall flat on its face and nearly slit its own throat.

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    8. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      The Fujitsu is a laptop with no keyboard. The SmartQ7 is trying to be a laptop with no keyboard. Until Steve Jobs came along, people didn't realise that tablets should be giant sized mobile phones rather than miniature laptops with no keyboards, and that's why they weren't very successful. Now people realise you should put Android on your tablet rather than Windows 7 or some Linux distro with a desktop/server heritage.

    9. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think the iPad was exclusively Jobs' idea?

    10. Re:It's good Tim is getting more exposure by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      I hate to say it and I wish Steve good health but to be brutally honest I think Apple have reached a point where they might be better off without him (if he left not if he died, I'm not callous). He's superb at what he does, but he does it with that massive control freak nature. It's something that he pushes further and further all the time and I think eventually Apple will find out where "the line" is drawn with people as they flock to Android (and who knows what on the desktop) to escape the shackles and the dictating on issues like Blu-ray.

      He also has that snippy attitude with customers. Customer Relations is best left to the experts - again it's probably a control freak thing that he communicates with them at all instead of simply redirecting sjobs@apple to Support and trusting them to handle the "zomg I'm going directly to the CEO" cases.

      There will be another messiah. A lot of people are keen on Jony Ive.

  9. Still Parking in Handicap Spaces, Steve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I hope that no matter what operating system or computer manufacturer you love or hate, everyone can come together and wish him well. Whether you love or hate what he's done in the industry, he's a fellow human being first, and I hope he has a speedy recovery.

    Sure. Though I wish he had the same respect for disabled people.

  10. Re:SELL SELL SELL by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    This will cause apple stock to drop. The question is will it mean the end of innovation at apple. If not then once it is seen that apple continues to operate at the same level the stock will rebound. In that case it should be buy, buy, buy. When the panic ends and apple is still there the time to buy will be gone. In the stock world it's buy low, sell high.

  11. Announced on a trading holiday.. by WarwickRyan · · Score: 2

    ..to dampen the blow to the stock price... smart..

    1. Re:Announced on a trading holiday.. by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 1

      Not just on a holiday, Apple releases their quarterly earnings statement tomorrow. Obviously they know it will be a big quarter which will further cushion the impact. As I said earlier in the thread, I suspect Jobs returning to his job after his liver transplant was just to appease wall street and the media, and that he hasn't been doing his full work week for some time.

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  12. Interesting times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a substantial Apple shareholder (and fanboi), this makes me think of the chinese curse. You were born to live in interesting times...

    Tomorrow should be very interesting because (with the markets in the U.S. closed today due to the MLK holiday) it will be the first impact of this news on Apple stock. However later in the day, Apple will release their earnings report which is expected to blow through their estimates.

    Unfortunately as "interesting" as all this is to us shareholders, it is much much more so for him (and his family). Regardless of whether he ever returns to Apple, I sincerely wish his recovery so that he live a full and satisfying life with his loved ones.

  13. Re:Yeah.. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    You have no idea what Jobs is suffering from; it could be a recurrence of his cancer. Being a billionaire will not mean that he suffers any less if it is indeed another bout of cancer. Other people are suffering, and you know what? We should hope that their suffering ends also.

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  14. It's amazing by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    How well you can do when you've got a lot of money. I'm pretty sure if I had pancreatic cancer I'd be dead right now.

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    1. Re:It's amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yah, worked out well for Patrick Swayze... if you had pancreatic cancer you would be a cancer patient.. if you were dead right now, you would be dead... you cant be both

    2. Re:It's amazing by Bloopie · · Score: 5, Informative

      He had a rare type of pancreatic cancer called "Islet cell neuroendocrine tumor" which is far less deadly than most pancreatic cancer.

      Sorry to throw a damper on your smug little rant, but it's not unusual at all that he would survive that.

    3. Re:It's amazing by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I guess in the US. In any other developed nation though, you'd be covered by universal healthcare and you wouldn't be crippled by medical debt when your insurance ran out, or they stopped covering you when you had a break in employment due to long term illness and lost coverage briefly and won't let you pick it up again at the old price.

      Although, I doubt money has everything to do with survival from cancer - sometimes you just cannot beat it, sometimes you recover.

    4. Re:It's amazing by Americano · · Score: 1

      His money had nothing to do with the fact that he was one of the "lucky" few whose pancreatic cancer was an islet cell neuroendocrine tumor, which is one of the rare (~1% of cases) "treatable" kinds of pancreatic cancers, and generally far less aggressive than the adenocarcinomas that make up the bulk (~95%) of pancreatic cancers.

    5. Re:It's amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Far less deadly, but still deadly. I had a pancreatic neuroendocrine tumor removed a few months ago, and was given an excellent prognosis. This very morning, I had a routine follow-up visit with my surgeon to review a new CT scan. Everything is still good for me. Not knowing about today's news yet, I asked him if my tumor was the same type as Mr. Jobs. He said that Mr. Job's tumor was a hormone-producing one that has already spread whereas mine was called non-functional and was totally contained. Neuroendocrine tumors are extremely rare - about 3 to 10 cases out of a million, whereas the far more common and invariably fatal adenocarcinoma occurs in about 1 in 74 people. Despite Mr. Job's tumor being neuroendocrine, my surgeon says flat out that he has less than 2 years to live. Though he does not have Mr. Jobs private medical records, enough information is publicly known for him to say this. The survivability of pancreatic cancers has not improved significantly in the last 40 years.

    6. Re:It's amazing by Poorcku · · Score: 1

      with a liver transplant last year or so, i would suggest that Jobs has a metastasized pancreatic cancer. now, how many do you know, or for that medicine knows, that lived after the cancer has spread to the liver. i am very skeptical. All the best wishes, Steve!

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    7. Re:It's amazing by revlayle · · Score: 1

      He's had a Whipple Procedure done also. Some of that pancreas is left (as the procedure deals with the head of the pancreas), but it is possible that something was missed or reappeared on what was left.

  15. Tim cook will make a good replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tim cook streamlined Apple's supply chain and increased profit margins considerably. Although he is not a designer, he is a great choice to replace Steve Jobs. (In saying this, I obviously hope that the iPod, iPhone, iPod were not solely motivated by Steve Jobs, but by Apple's design team. If not, we as consumers are screwed)

    1. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      Tim cook streamlined Apple's supply chain and increased profit margins considerably. Although he is not a designer, he is a great choice to replace Steve Jobs. (In saying this, I obviously hope that the iPod, iPhone, iPod were not solely motivated by Steve Jobs, but by Apple's design team. If not, we as consumers are screwed)

      Given all his health problems, Steve Jobs needs to retire and enjoy life a little. One of weird things is I keep reading all these articles that say Apple doesn't have anyone who can replace Jobs and Microsoft doesn't have anyone who can replace Steve Ballmer. I find that very hard to believe. But, even worse, it it's really true, they're pretty well screwed.

    2. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think it's more like 'MS didn't have anyone to replace Bill'.
      MS appears to have stagnated recently. Ballmer going would be... not a bad thing perhaps.

    3. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by smittyman · · Score: 1

      The issue here is that Steve IS behind most of the designs. He is the one that pushes the products according to his wishes. No, when Steve leaves i predict a very hard time for Apple, it will not stay the same at all. I would expect a number of products lined up but that's about it.

      It is not my favorite brand, i'll be honest about that, too expensive and way too much hyping but i do hope he gets better, looks like he had no other options so looks like bad news indeed.

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    4. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Microsoft could easily find another ex Procter & Gamble product manager to replace Steve Ballmer. What they need is someone to replace Bill Gates, and that isn't so easy.

    5. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The issue here is that Steve IS behind most of the designs.

      No he's not. Jonathan Ives is behind the designs. You can tell the exact point where Ives stopped letting Steve design the iMacs. Steve's last designed iMac was the one that looked like the lamp. Ever since then it's been all Ives.

    6. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Microsoft could easily find another ex Procter & Gamble product manager to replace Steve Ballmer. What they need is someone to replace Bill Gates, and that isn't so easy.

      The road to ruin for Microsoft was already under construction well before Bill Gates retired. It was Bill Gates' idea to try to build Vista around .NET, which lead to the "reset", the most demoralizing and costly misstep of Microsoft's history. Yes, the reset happened on Ballmer's watch but Bill Gates caused it. And Bill Gates hired Steve Ballmer. Lots of other major mistakes made by Bill Gates before and after retiring.

      On the other hand, Microsoft so richly deserves the debilitating disease it now suffers from that I think you are right, they really need someone like just like Bill Gates to continue the fall after Ballmer goes.

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    7. Re:Tim cook will make a good replacement by multi+io · · Score: 1

      Given all his health problems, Steve Jobs needs to retire and enjoy life a little.

      The thing is: Steve Jobs, like many passionate technology entrepreneurs of his kind, probably enjoys life the most when he's working.

  16. *cough* by dakkon1024 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well at least we know it couldn't be a virus.....

  17. you know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given all his health troubles, he would very likely be dead by now if he wasn't a billionaire. Making money is the thing to do..

  18. Fucking stupid by Pojut · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never understood the volatility of Apple's stock. Jobs could stub his toe and the stock would drop. Someone who works at Infinite Loop could get constipated, and the stock would drop. Someone's iPhone could get a scratch on the front glass, and the stock would drop.

    Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation at the even the slightest hint of something not being perfect?

    1. Re:Fucking stupid by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's because Apple's not based on product, it's based on image. If anything seems like it could even start to threaten that image, people want out before it crashes.

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    2. Re:Fucking stupid by dreamchaser · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because much it's value is based on the cult of personality that's been built up around Jobs. They make some good products and have strong market performance but their stock has been overvalued for quite some time. Beware of any stock that relies on a cult of personality for much of its value.

    3. Re:Fucking stupid by RJHelms · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation at the even the slightest hint of something not being perfect?

      I suspect it's because it's horrendously overvalued. Apple investors get scared that the bubble will burst, and no one wants to be the last one out. When it doesn't turn out that the "correction" is actually happening, people regain their senses^H^H^H^H^H^Hgreed.

    4. Re:Fucking stupid by maxume · · Score: 1

      It is valued to perfect (or perhaps better) future performance. Makes people twitchy.

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    5. Re:Fucking stupid by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation

      Apple doesn't pay dividends, so its stock is owned by speculators, not investors. Its value is based solely on the belief that there will always be another sucker along in a minute who thinks its worth more than you paid. When you stop believing those suckers will appear, then it's time to bail.

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    6. Re:Fucking stupid by Duradin · · Score: 2

      If it wasn't for that meddling Apple it be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      Like all warfare is based on deception, all business is based on image. You could have the best product ever but if your company has a bad business image no one will touch it.

    7. Re:Fucking stupid by BlowChunx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really? Not that I am invested in AAPL, but it's got a PE of ~23. Going by Benjamin Graham's rule of thumb it needs to grow at 7.5%. What with the healthy product stream (iPads, new customer base with CMDA iPhone), that doesn't seem terribly overpriced.

    8. Re:Fucking stupid by jonbryce · · Score: 3, Informative

      People remember what happened to Apple last time Steve Jobs left.

    9. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cult of personality? Isn't there pretty clear evidence that Apple has performed extremely well under Jobs' leadership, and failed badly without him?

      Your average mac user barely knows who Steve Jobs is. They're certainly not buying Apple products to "be like Steve". It just happens that Steve Jobs is a micro-managing control freak who is good at leading the market with high-end products.

    10. Re:Fucking stupid by paiute · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I never understood the volatility of Apple's stock. Jobs could stub his toe and the stock would drop. Someone who works at Infinite Loop could get constipated, and the stock would drop. Someone's iPhone could get a scratch on the front glass, and the stock would drop.

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation at the even the slightest hint of something not being perfect?

      Because the truth is that those who are paid big money to analyze the market are not as stupid as we here on Mount Slashdot would like to believe. I would venture to say that they think that one big reason for Apple's success over the years is their ability to go be consistently contrarian. Apple does not follow the crowd in design and implementation. They do not get involved in races to the bottom, and they hew closely to the principle of simplification of the end user's experience instead of packing a product with buttons and a thousand "features". All of these things are in stark contrast to what is taught in business school. So if Jobs goes down and Apple is then led by a modern Scully clone, the company might not do as well in the future.

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    11. Re:Fucking stupid by ceeam · · Score: 1

      Apple is based on original software.

    12. Re:Fucking stupid by gorzek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then how do you explain Microsoft, which has never had a very positive image, yet managed to dominate both the desktop operating system and Web browser markets?

      Just goes to show you, backroom deals and monopolist strongarming also have their place in business, and can sometimes trump "image."

    13. Re:Fucking stupid by NameIsDavid · · Score: 2

      No, it's because stock prices are based in part on anticipated future performance. This, in turn, is based on extrapolating from Jobs' past guidance of the company. When a company's path is believed to be based on heavily on one man's vision, that man's absence creates a large uncertainty about the Apple's future performance. Because Jobs' is a superstar CEO, the media pays insufficient attention to highlighting the qualifications of the other members of Apple's executive team and so Jobs' absence is all the more strongly felt.

    14. Re:Fucking stupid by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation

      Apple doesn't pay dividends, so its stock is owned by speculators, not investors.

      http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=AAPL+Major+Holders - 71% of Shares Held by Institutional & Mutual Fund Owners:

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    15. Re:Fucking stupid by chromozone · · Score: 1

      The interesting thing about Jobs is people already saw what happened to Apple when he left the company (and it wasn't pretty) and what happened when he came back (pulled Apple's butt out of a sling). I can see why people follow Jobs health from all kinds of perspectives.

    16. Re:Fucking stupid by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      "Mount Slashdot"? Elevation of what, 20 cm?

      More likely "Top 'O the Swamp".

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    17. Re:Fucking stupid by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Microsoft and Google are hoping for a repeat.

    18. Re:Fucking stupid by Wovel · · Score: 1

      I imagine you don't do a lot of stock analysis and you both dislike Apple and read somewhere the stock was overpriced. Unfortunately for you most actual analysis would agree that given Apple's expected growth over the next 12 months, the stock is significantly undervalued.

      Nice try though. You even used a snazzy catch phrase like "cult of personality"

    19. Re:Fucking stupid by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Your cute ,someone else using words they think sound important and trying to pretend like they understand the stock market. Unfortunately, wither or not a stock pays dividends has nothing at all to do with it being a solid investment or a speculative investment.

      You should by a second book...

    20. Re:Fucking stupid by morgauxo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe. OSX sure took a lot of steam out of the Linux desktop. But as much as it pains me to admit, there were/are other issues involved.

      Just as games were starting to be released for Linux the video drivers really went down the toilet. Sure, it was due to the ideology conflict between FOSS and proprietary hardware vendors, not a technical problem with Linux. That distinction didn't change the fact your card wouldn't work. This is getting quite a bit better now but it sucked for a really long time. Now 3d support is 'necessary' even for normal non-game desktop use if you want to fulfill current user's expectations.

      Some might argue that the shift from hobbyist based kernel development to corporate sponsored either helped or hurt the Desktop. Read about the conflict between the kernel developers and Con Kolivas. The desktop just hasn't been the major focus for a while. It's totally anecdotal but I know my desktop seemed to get less and less responsive with updates until I finally started using BFS.

      And then there is removable media... It's finally getting back to where you can pop in a CD/USB stick and it will mount it and ask you what to do with it.. if you are using one of the heavy desktops like KDE or Gnome that is. I once had a desktop that would access a CDRW using packet writing and supermount just as easily as Windows/DOS used to access a floppy disk! Shortly afterword supermount was gone and the support we have today involves a variety of daemons, u-dev rules, etc... which all have to be working for anything to happen.

    21. Re:Fucking stupid by Duradin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      MS never had a good image here. The suits and pencil pushers that actually get things purchased for business are a different story. "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" basically. /. is a tempest in a teacup when it comes to what the rest of the world likes or dislikes.

    22. Re:Fucking stupid by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People don't buy iPhones because Apple is cool, they buy iPhones because the iPhone is cool. Your comment doesn't make any sense.

      For a huge section of the consumer market, Apple makes the *best* products. People don't spend their money on iPhones because they think Apple is cool, they spend it because they want the product Apple makes

      Those products are as good as they are in large part because of Steve Job's persuit of perfection. The guy is sick. Everyone is worried that Apple will lose focus without Jobs (like it did in the past).

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    23. Re:Fucking stupid by gorzek · · Score: 0

      Even beyond that, haven't you ever dealt with typical PC users and their endless frustrations with Windows? It's not like they went out of their way to buy Microsoft, it's just what the computer came with. Microsoft didn't get into such a position by having the best image or the best product, they did it through backroom dealing and shutting out their competitors. 90%+ of desktop computers run Windows but if you ask the man on the street how he feels about Windows and/or Microsoft, at best you're likely to get an indifferent answer if not a negative one.

      Does anyone really like Microsoft, other than those who swear by their products and services? I really doubt it. Most users just seem to be forced to put up with it and are either ignorant of other options or afraid of trying something unfamiliar.

    24. Re:Fucking stupid by Americano · · Score: 1

      Because people have bought into the ridiculous notion that "Jobs IS Apple" and thus when he gets a sniffle, the stock market catches a cold.

      The stock market is prone to irrational fluctuations like this anyway - look at any company's stock when some sort of surprise "bad news" comes out. It's magnified with Apple because of the tight coupling of Apple's brand with Jobs as spokesman. "In financial news, Apple is trading down 4.5% this morning, after rumors that Steve Jobs couldn't get his favorite blend of coffee at Starbucks, and walked out with what one witness described as, 'a worried look on his face.'"

      It's stupid, but then there's no law that you have to be smart to own stock.

    25. Re:Fucking stupid by DamonHD · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, in terms of depth of insight in non-binary matters outside the narrow world of technology and our mom's basements, we here should aspire to Mount Slashdot becoming a large-ish pimple at the base of the Mariana Trench, if we're ambitious...

      Rgds

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    26. Re:Fucking stupid by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 1

      I think you have it 100% backwards. Apple is undervalued based on it's financial performance.

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    27. Re:Fucking stupid by Americano · · Score: 1

      Yes, the fact that Apple is making ludicrous amounts of money is all based on their cool image. It has nothing to do with them selling a decent product that people want to buy. I mean, I write monthly checks to Apple just so Steve doesn't ever have to wear the same black turtleneck twice. Virgin organic cotton everday, that's what my hero deserves.

    28. Re:Fucking stupid by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      Your cute

      His cute what?

      Condescension fail.

    29. Re:Fucking stupid by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 1
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    30. Re:Fucking stupid by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm in at $125, but I've been looking for an opportunity to buy more shares. Tuesday morning may be the best chance I get this year. While everyone panics due to Jobs' health, I can pick up some shares on discount that will grow by end of year.

      That said, I'm ready to dump them as soon as I don't feel they can sustain their new product development. For now though they clearly can.

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    31. Re:Fucking stupid by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 0

      Those products are as good as they are in large part because of Steve Job's persuit of perfection.

      Steve Jobs has fuck-all to do with the products Apple makes. He has ideas, yes, but those ideas get implemented by a team of designers and engineers. Jobs could die tomorrow and the quality of Apple products wouldn't shift a bit.

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    32. Re:Fucking stupid by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Moreover, most companies that do pay dividends do so electronically. The value is based solely on the belief that there will always be another sucker willing to accept your non-existent electronic funds.

      The only real stock is that which pays dividends in gold doubloons. Am I right?

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    33. Re:Fucking stupid by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      It's cute that you think that. OS X isn't based on nothing, iTunes isn't based on nothing. The company of today is based solely around taking an idea and shining it up really well, then incrementally improving that idea to drive people along the upgrade path.

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    34. Re:Fucking stupid by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      You mean two years ago? When Apple stock went on sale and then nothing at all wrong happened to the company's growth or new product development?

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    35. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft and Google are hoping for a repeat.

      And without any successor groomed up and out there in the faces of the investors/users, Apple appears to be entirely hoping for Steve Jobs to turn out to be immortal.

      Let's see who's going to win, shall we?

    36. Re:Fucking stupid by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People buy apple products because apple makes them seem cool. The iPhone isn't objectively better than any of the half-dozen equivalent smartphones out there. They buy it because of marketing and image. Stockholders know that. Without Jobs, the image starts to waver. My comment makes perfect sense.

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    37. Re:Fucking stupid by Americano · · Score: 1

      "Too little? You said it was a good size!"

    38. Re:Fucking stupid by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 1

      I think he's referring to the Gil Amelio years.

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    39. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even then I suspect Apple's rise had more to do with the dual events of MS injecting a bunch of cash into them (so they'd ostensibly have some "competition" to parade in monopoly court) and a little luck (and a good solid product) in the iPod taking off at just the right time when the masses were starting to "get" digital music. Without those two events, even with Jobs at the head, I think Apple would be struggling. It's easy to attribute all of the success to his leadership, but I think maybe he's trading on events that weren't necessarily his direct doing.

    40. Re:Fucking stupid by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that is the excuse the ignorant tell themselves to sleep at night, but the customer satisfaction and customer service polls have proved you wrong. Apple leads the pack for several years now. That's not image, that's quality.

    41. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's because Apple's not based on product, it's based on image. If anything seems like it could even start to threaten that image, people want out before it crashes.

      Oh please. Any rational analysis of the history of computing will lead to the conclusion that Jobs is a visionary genius. NeXT created a computer in 1988 that had features that even today's computers don't have. The graphical system was vector based (PostScript), enabling resolution independence. It had an optical drive, years before CD-r existed. It was Unix based. It utilized a middleware framework called OpenStep that allowed an unprecedented degree of platform independence. This system became the basis for OS X. Microsoft didn't even come out with Windows 3.1 until 1992, four years later. Even today, no major OS has resolution independence, and Windows 7 is definitely NOT platform independent. I can think of no other example of a leader leaving such an indelible stamp on a company.

      Indeed, the contrast of Mr. Jobs leadership with the rest of corporate America lays bare the fundamental faults of the latter. Corporate America has become beholden to visionless MBA bean counters, who think they can manage a company without underlying knowledge or insight into the business they direct. They treat management as a skill independent of the underlying businesses they manage. They put forward their management principles as unchallengeable "revealed truths". Contrast Mr. Job's leadership with that of Mr. Sculley who replaced him for a time. Sculley was the president of Pepsico before he took over at Apple. What made him think that his experience managing a soft drink company gave him the ability to lead a computer company I have no idea. But his tenure was an unmitigated disaster. Sculley simply had no vision of what computers should be. He had little insight into the difficulties of coding, the importance of good design, or the future developments in information technology.

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    42. Re:Fucking stupid by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for that meddling Apple it be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      It does seem to be the year of Unix on the desktop, not all that far away from Linux really.

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    43. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's because Apple's not based on product, it's based on image.

      Actually, Apple has built its business around both, and their success is only exceptional because so many of their competitors seem to care about neither.

    44. Re:Fucking stupid by imunfair · · Score: 1

      Maybe it isn't overpriced right now, but if the single guy with the vision and sales charisma for the company dies then you start getting less polished products that aren't marketed quite as well. This results in lower profits and it ends up being overvalued. That is what people are worried about - not that the PE bad currently.

      If you aren't day trading usually you want to take into account catastrophes that are likely to happen to a company in the medium term - and Jobs dying has a pretty good probability, especially considering his previous health issues.

    45. Re:Fucking stupid by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      Then how do you explain Microsoft, which has never had a very positive image, yet managed to dominate both the desktop operating system and Web browser markets?

      Perhaps having no respect for the law helped?

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    46. Re:Fucking stupid by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Well, I'd normally assume that you're a 2nd semester economics freshman, but from your combination of illiteracy and sociopathy, I'm actually guessing that you're doing law.

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    47. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Steve Jobs has fuck-all to do with the products Apple makes. He has ideas, yes, but those ideas get implemented by a team of designers and engineers. Jobs could die tomorrow and the quality of Apple products wouldn't shift a bit."

      yeah that worked out really well for them last time steve left the company... the 90's almost killed apple w/out steve.

    48. Re:Fucking stupid by Americano · · Score: 1

      So... your beef is that Apple's design teams understand what constitutes a compelling experience for users, and deliver something that makes people want to upgrade to the newer version?

      You're right - just imagine the horror if every business did that.

    49. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because Apple's not based on product, it's based on image. If anything seems like it could even start to threaten that image, people want out before it crashes.

      Disagree. Apple's success is based on the products that they sell: the fact that people like using them and that they're generally less crappy than anything else out there. The customer satisfaction levels on Apple products (e.g., as per J.D. Power) are above anyone else out there AFAIK.

      If they don't suit your needs that's fine, but saying it's all about (or even mostly) about image is being disingenuous IMHO.

      The volatility is simply everyone remembering how Apple tanked after Jobs left, and the decade of drift that occurred. However since he's come back, I think he's been smart enough to build a team that can carry one being success in his absence. He still holds a lot of sway in the direction of where things go, but there's a better overall team to handle things now.

    50. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't buy iPhones because Apple is cool, they buy iPhones because the iPhone is cool.

      Even simpler, and more accurate. People buy iPhones because they want them.

    51. Re:Fucking stupid by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      What's the hurry? I would rather we take a few years longer and get it right than slap together something substandard that remains unpleasant to use and work with for all eternity.

      But with 20 20 hindsight, the major issue was not so much proprietary drivers and not the strange OEM behavior that almost seemed orchestrated against open source, as it was the counterproductive governance of Xfree86.org. Linux video really took off after the fork and by now is getting damn good. It doesn't take too much imagination to see that in a year or two it will lead the industry, just as a number of other aspects of Linux already do.

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    52. Re:Fucking stupid by isaaccs · · Score: 1

      This is a good point, and also speaks to the fact that Apple is really quite unique in many ways.

      Personally, I think Apple is currently valued properly. I think Jobs is remarkable, and I'll be very sorry to see him leave Apple (and here's hoping that it's on his own terms, years from now) because it will have a huge impact on the character of the company. As far as the stock goes, it will take a hit, probably not more than a few percentage points, but it will also be poised to resume rapid growth as long as the company continues to produce, certainly for the forseeable future.

      I also think Apple's market opportunities in the next few years are literally unprecedented in business terms. There will be competition, but Apple products are undenyling uniquely compelling to a lot of people, it's very possible that in five years the majority of people on this earth could be carrying around iPhones in their pockets, all funneled by Apple's content offerings, locked into their content models. Many look at this cynically, personally I don't, but no company has achieved that kind of placement to date. They have an eco-system, and people go wild for it. Exxon is currently the largest publicly held company; I don't know what margins are on barrels of oil, but consider your relationship to your smart phone versus that to your local Mobil station. Sure, we use lots of oil, but it very people fall in love with the "magic" of a brown viscous sludge

      Apple is huge already, and eventually they'll loose it - but it could be 5 years, 10, years, it could be 20. In tech companies have so far risen and fallen very quickly, but as the market matures, things will stabilize a bit, the landscape will change. If Apple is already almost as big as Exxon in 2011, consider the implications of having invested in Exxon (Standard Oil) company at the onset of the industrial age - and having held that stock through today. Apple is poised for massive growth.

    53. Re:Fucking stupid by W2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone really like Microsoft, other than those who swear by their products and services? I really doubt it. Most users just seem to be forced to put up with it and are either ignorant of other options or afraid of trying something unfamiliar.

      I have used Linux, BSD, MacOS (X) and Solaris but my home computers (laptop, gaming PC, two servers) all run Windows, because it gets things done and I haven't had a BSOD or a serious issue with it for years. Finding drivers or apps is never a problem because everyone develops for Windows first, Mac OS X second, Linux probably never or perhaps a distant third.

      Being a geek most of my friends are as well and Windows is still by far the most common OS on their home PCs. One guy bought a shiny MBP and promptly installed Windows on it. Pretty much everyone who runs Linux dual-boots with Windows. So yes, when given a choice, even very computer-literate people will freely choose Windows. Because it gets things done, doesn't crash and has drivers for everything. Simple as that.

      My phone runs Android, though.

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    54. Re:Fucking stupid by jimicus · · Score: 1

      3D isn't the only thing on Linux that has a lot of ideology driving it. IIRC supermount had a number of issues which meant that - even though it generally worked pretty well - it wasn't a particularly neat solution.

      However, as happens so often in the F/OSS world (and so seldom in proprietary software), the pragmatic mostly-works-but-somewhat-messy solution was ditched by many distros long before there was any realistic alternative.

    55. Re:Fucking stupid by joshki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not really a student of history, are you?

      We've seen this movie before. If Jobs were to leave, and not be replaced by someone with the single-minded focus on the user experience that he has inculcated into the company, Apple would fail. Just like they almost did the last time he left.

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    56. Re:Fucking stupid by Kjella · · Score: 1

      The stock market is like a store that switches between having a free giveaway and being on fire with only one narrow door. Everybody wants to be first in and first out respectively and any news starts a stampede that is far greater than the actual change. During the financial crisis our stock index fell 65%, does it mean that 65% of the economy disappeared in a matter of months? Of course not, but everybody wanted out, out, out. Now it's up almost 250% since the bottom because everybody wants in, in, in. That is wany traders who actually analyze stocks go long-short, the overall market may go crazy but you're just exposed to their relative performance. The rest are mostly trying to second-guess the other investors.

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    57. Re:Fucking stupid by jimicus · · Score: 1

      The concern is how heavily involved Jobs is with so much product development. By all accounts, many of Apple's products since Jobs took over have been very heavily driven by him and him alone. (Which doesn't mean Jobs himself wrote OS X or designed the iPhone. Just that he was heavily involved in deciding how they'd work - there's very little "design by committee" that tends to drag on companies like Microsoft)

      There really isn't anyone else in the industry with the combination of experience at the helm of a top company and single-minded focus on driving decent products forward to take over from Jobs.

    58. Re:Fucking stupid by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 0

      OSX sure took a lot of steam out of the Linux desktop

      by lifting a lot of code from BSD.

    59. Re:Fucking stupid by RJHelms · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, I stand corrected.

      Of course, that data suggests that AAPL isn't overvalued compared to the rest of the S&P 500. There's always a possibility the entire market is, but that still doesn't explain this behaviour.

      Also I like being modded +4 Informative while being directly contradicted by fact. Go Slashdot!

    60. Re:Fucking stupid by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      it's got a PE of ~23. Going by Benjamin Graham's rule of thumb it needs to grow at 7.5%

      And there is a significant risk that AAPL may fail to do that. It might lose its early lead in the smart phone market, or its quality control or its industrial design might degenerate in the absence of Steve Jobs. The market might lose its taste for products with proprietary lock in. There could be more embarrassing engineering failures like antennagate. There could be further PR fiascos like kicking in the front doors of journalist's homes. AAPL might face increased competition from inexpensive products with similar functionality. AAPL's attempts to lock unencumbered video formats out of the web might fail.

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    61. Re:Fucking stupid by speedingant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I call bullshit here. The iPhone hardware isn't as good, but have you actually tried an actual comparison between say, Android and the iOS? It's like chalk and cheese. The usability of Android for day to day tasks, and general "Smart Phone" abilities, sucks. I had it crash a few times, it refuses to connect to wireless networks sometimes, and it felt unpolished. I bought an iPhone, because it actually works really well. And the App Store trumps the stagnated piece of shit Google offers.

    62. Re:Fucking stupid by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      They do not get involved in races to the bottom

      Ehm, the tablet market?

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    63. Re:Fucking stupid by dargaud · · Score: 1

      they hew closely to the principle of simplification of the end user's experience instead of packing a product with buttons and a thousand "features"

      Yeah, like their stupid mail reader, which incidentally doesn't even seem to have a name (try to tell a user the difference between his email and the program used to read email) which doesn't have the usual security enhancements because... that would be too many buttons to clic ? Spent a bunch of hours on the phone with mac/icrap users today before giving up in disgust as they could only configure their mail with no security. The firt sniffer at the cofee shop will get their passwd and they've been warned. Installing Thunderbird is "too complicated"...

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    64. Re:Fucking stupid by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 0

      Oh please. Any rational analysis of the history of computing will lead to the conclusion that Jobs is a visionary genius.

      I'd be willing to concede marketing genius.

    65. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 2

      I'd be willing to concede marketing genius.

      People keep repeating that, but it doesn't make it true. Take a close look at the technical ins and outs of NeXT computers, which became the basis for OS X, and then tell me that operating system wasn't a stroke of technical genius. It came out seven years before Windows 95, and is the basis for OS X and iOS. It has been ported to numerous types of processors, and runs seamlessly. Windows doesn't have a hope in hell of doing anything like that.

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    66. Re:Fucking stupid by neumayr · · Score: 1

      Microsoft never had a positive image?
      In these circles, perhaps. But the world is larger than that, and the opinion of a few geeks, even of a hundred thousand geeks, doesn't carry as much weight as aforementioned geeks like to think.
      That'is not limited to geeks, probably every self contained social group over exaggerates its effect on society.

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    67. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is huge already, and eventually they'll loose it.

      Damn, and you were doing so well...
       

    68. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because its stock is over valued and driven up by speculation. Any little thing that could be the beginning of the hype collapsing will cause investors to drop out as fast as they can thus dropping share prices from all the selling pressure. Think "irrational exuberance" and "market bubble".

    69. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OSX sure took a lot of steam out of the Linux desktop

      by lifting a lot of code from BSD.

      And making it better.

    70. Re:Fucking stupid by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation

      Apple doesn't pay dividends, so its stock is owned by speculators, not investors. Its value is based solely on the belief that there will always be another sucker along in a minute who thinks its worth more than you paid. When you stop believing those suckers will appear, then it's time to bail.

      Tut. This is what share-markets are all about. And the "Bigger sucker" model only applies to items with a low intrinsic value - stamps (small bits of paper), art (large bits of paper) and specialized number plates (bits of tin). Shares have an intrinsic value. Shareholders own a 'share' of the company. That value goes up and down as the perceived value changes.

      Now, sit down and drink your milk.

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    71. Re:Fucking stupid by BlowChunx · · Score: 1

      The mark of a good company is whether it can develop talent so there's a decent succession plan in place in case of accidents, etc. (colloquially we call it a "truck factor" - what happens if person X gets hit by a truck...).

      Some companies are better at it than others. That tends to factor into the overall stock price as well. Wall St. doesn't like major upheavals.

    72. Re:Fucking stupid by BlowChunx · · Score: 1

      We are talking about Jobs. Even without him, I presume that Jonathan Ives can still do industrial design at a high level.

      And as far as losing it's "lead", even after Apple played catch up with the iPod (it wasn't the prime mover in portable music devices at launch time), they still haven't lost it.

      They take software principles and apply it to hardware. From one product release to the next, there's incremental improvements, hardly anything dramatic.

    73. Re:Fucking stupid by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Sculley was hired by Jobs specifically for the marketing savvy that he showed at Pepsico. Pepsi had just rebranded itself as the sugarwater for energetic youths, rather than the sugarwater for tired old fuddy-duddys. That was exactly what Jobs was looking for with Macintosh. He wanted the young tech crowd to get going on Mac, and leave the IBM PC for old has-beens.

      Was he right? Jobs himself says that hiring Sculley was the biggest mistake of his professional career.

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    74. Re:Fucking stupid by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      EVERYBODY uses BSD code. What's your point? - And I don't even like Mac OS!

    75. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesn't pay dividends, so its stock is owned by speculators, not investors.

      Is that also true for all companies that don't pay dividends? What about companies that buy back their shares? Ok, then? How about if people buy shares in a company with large cash assets, no debts and great track record for releasing products that increasing those cash reserves?

    76. Re:Fucking stupid by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      It may be, but they also have a massive patent portfolio based on years of research and acquisitions. Take a moment and imagine a future where Jobs passes, Apple's stock tanks and someone like Venture Research looting Apple for a song. Whether you like them or not, their demise would have catastrophic consequences.

    77. Re:Fucking stupid by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 0

      I always felt that NeXT was overhyped for what it was, and remember it more for Steve Jobs repeatedly asserting how awesome and ahead of its time it was than any actual technical accomplishments. (Which isn't to say it didn't have some technical accomplishments.) Your mileage may vary.

    78. Re:Fucking stupid by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation at the even the slightest hint of something not being perfect?

      Because it is a bubble. Everyone is buying Apple because everyone is buying Apple. And that is always a highly unstable situation that smart money avoids because nobody can predict when the cycle ends. Apple's stock is priced like their sales in the next decade were going to grow at the same insane rate they did in the last. And they can't. All the people with more money than sense already have an iPhone and most ran out and bought an iPad already. The most they can hope to do is get those customers to stay on the upgrade treadmill, which means at most flat to slow earnings growth. And they now have strong competition in the smart phone space and soon the tablet market. iPods are now a commodity market so not much growth to be found there. Macs have not really been gaining market share in the last decade and probably will decline in the next as Apple stops caring about products without the App Store revenue stream.

      > Jobs could stub his toe and the stock would drop.

      And that is likely to be what pops the bubble, and because Apple will be doing everything in its power to cover up any bad news in that dept until they simply can't deny it any more the risk is insane. Apple valuation is almost entirely based on the Cult of Steve. Without Steve Apple is nothing, everyone else is a mindless idiot who couldn't design anything customers would actually buy. No that isn't true, but it doesn't matter because a critical mass believes it to be true and will act on that belief. And because Apple is valued as if it were true, without Steve at the helm the stock will correct to a more sensible valuation, wiping out tens of billions of paper wealth overnight and might set off a panic in the wider markets. Yes Apple has sales and some insanely great profit margins. But enough to justify their market cap? When they have no assets except current sales, goodwill and Steve on their balance sheet? They have zero plant & equipment as they outsource 100% of manufacturing to China. They have some (probably leased) office space here in the US and some developers, marketing folks and such.

      But the market believes they are more valuable than every other mega corp with the exception of Exxon-Mobil? Really? We have seen this movie before when Amazon was valued higher than Boeing. Back when Pets.com had a big market cap and venture capitalists were falling over themselves to get in on drkoop.com. We know know how the story ends.

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    79. Re:Fucking stupid by swillden · · Score: 1

      Of course, that data suggests that AAPL isn't overvalued compared to the rest of the S&P 500. There's always a possibility the entire market is

      Given that Apple's P/E ratio is 23 and Apples (P-$)/E ratio is just over 15, I don't think so. Those are some very healthy numbers, indicating that Apple's market price is very justified on the basis of their earnings plus the assumption of very modest growth.

      Also I like being modded +4 Informative while being directly contradicted by fact. Go Slashdot!

      LOL. No doubt.

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    80. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that Jobs hired Sculley, right? Famously by asking him if he wanted to make sugar-water or change the world if memory serves. I don't disagree that Jobs has chops, but Jobs ASKED Sculley to come to Apple.

    81. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      basically. /. is a tempest in a teacup when it comes to what the rest of the world likes or dislikes.

      So why don't you stop being like that then?

    82. Re:Fucking stupid by swillden · · Score: 2

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation

      Apple doesn't pay dividends, so its stock is owned by speculators, not investors. Its value is based solely on the belief that there will always be another sucker along in a minute who thinks its worth more than you paid. When you stop believing those suckers will appear, then it's time to bail.

      Nonsense.

      Whether or not a company pays dividends has nothing to do with whether it's an investment or speculation.

      There are two ways for companies to return value to their shareholders, and both are equally valid. The more traditional one is to distribute quarterly profits as dividend payments. With that method, assuming constant profits which are entirely distributed to shareholders, the value of the company remains constant, and so does the share price. In fact, for such a company, the stock price is basically expected to be pretty much equivalent to the net present value of the future dividend stream.

      Companies that don't pay dividends but still make healthy profits either plow those profits into growth or else simply invest them. Because the profits are retained, the book value of the company increases. The company is actually worth more, but the number of shares remains constant, so the value of a share necessarily increases. Figuring the "proper" price of a non-dividend stock is a little trickier than estimating a future dividend stream and computing NPV, but one very good measure that's often used is the P/E ratio, which is the market value of the company (the share price times the number of shares outstanding) divided by the last year's earnings. In theory, if earnings were to remain constant the value of the company (and the share prices) are expected to double in around P/E years. The average P/E for a US stock over the last century is 14. For tech stocks, which are expected to be growth stocks, P/E ratios of 30+ are not uncommon, but such a ratio means that either the company has very good growth prospects or it's overpriced.

      In Apple's case, it's current P/E is 23. That's a very modest premium that indicates an expected growth rate of only about 7.5%. If you believe that Apple is likely to continue growing at a rate of 7.5% annually for the next few years, then it's a good investment. This is absolutely no different from buying a stock that has been paying a dividend of around 8%. The price of such a stock will be based on the assumption of that dividend stream continuing. In BOTH cases, if the growth/income doesn't happen, the investment was a bad one. In the case of Apple, the result will be a declining stock price. In the case of a dividend stock, the result will be a decrease in the quarterly dividends, and a decline in stock price as the market reprices the stock based on the lower expected dividend stream.

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    83. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      I always felt that NeXT was overhyped for what it was, and remember it more for Steve Jobs repeatedly asserting how awesome and ahead of its time it was than any actual technical accomplishments. (Which isn't to say it didn't have some technical accomplishments.) Your mileage may vary.

      Why do you feel it is overhyped? List details. Give arguments.

      Name a system that had a fully vector based display language (PostScript). Name a system that had such a bombproof middleware environment as OpenStep. OS S has been successfully ported to many different types of processor environments. It runs iPhones. It runs iPads. It runs Intel. It ran G4/G5. It runs their new A4 chip. It will run on the new A8 chip in the iPad2. iOS and OS X both come from NeXT. This platform agnostic system originates from OpenStep.

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    84. Re:Fucking stupid by packslash · · Score: 0

      It's because Apple's not based on product, it's based on image. If anything seems like it could even start to threaten that image, people want out before it crashes.

      yah cause Apple's iphone and ipod aren't sucessful "products". How does this guy get 5 insightful for that crap of a sentence. Saying apple isn't based on quality products definitely comes from someone that's never used any of their products.

    85. Re:Fucking stupid by nonguru · · Score: 1

      Haha, if I had a dollar every time some techhead know-it-all on slashdot thinks he understands how markets and businesses evolve or can second-guess every management decision with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, then I wouldn't need to work as an engineering manager. I don't think you'd get many arguments against the technical features behind NeXT's version of computer, but I think you are overstating the value that people placed on those features at the time. (Or even now. What consumer values resolution independence - are you really serious?) It's the curse of being way ahead of the curve. Not every vision has a happy ending. However your argument about "MBA bean counters" and criticizing Sculley for having experience in a soft drink company is weak. I guess Lou Gerstner's success at IBM shouldn't have happened. He has an MBA; worked with cookies at RJR and sold credit services at AMEX. Apple's market cap exceeds IBM's market cap by a large percentage, but I'd much rather be in IBM's business than Apple's. The consumer is a fickle beast and I suspect that Job's egomania has prevented decent succession planning at Apple. Like other companies dominated by visionary leaders, Apple may not survive the idiosyncrasies of its founder. Last word - Jobs hired Sculley. What was he thinking?

    86. Re:Fucking stupid by winwar · · Score: 1

      "There are two ways for companies to return value to their shareholders, and both are equally valid."

      No it isn't. One is actual money. The other is potential money. If you don't believe me, talk to people who own a house, especially those who are underwater in their mortgages. Just because someone says your house is worth something doesn't make it true into the future. In order to get value from one, I have to sell it.

    87. Re:Fucking stupid by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it objectively has significantly higher user satisfaction ratings then any phone on the market. It objectively has a much healthier app ecosystem than any other mobile device on the market. It is support by a much better media ecosystem (to everyone but slashdot nerds who think torrenting movies and copying to an sd card is the way to go).

      It is in fact an objectively better smart phone than any other device on the market. Are there phones that may have this feature or that feature the iPhone does not have, sure..Are they better? No, not a single one of them provides a better User experience.

      From a company standpoint, not a single competitors smartphone is even in the same Universe of straight up sales or profitability.

      Objectively the iPhone still has no competition...Sure if you want to call 19 manufacturers giving away Android phones to build Marketshare competition go ahead. In the real world, everyone knows that is just a load of crap. If they had asked, Verizon would have dumped all of them just to be able to sell an iPhone..(This would obviously cause Apple some legal trouble, so they did not ask. ) If you think any carrier on earth would give up their iPhone sales to carry any or even all Android phones, you know very little about the Mobile market.

      None of this is relevant to the conversation, you tried to sidetrack us with an ill-advised offhanded comment. For whatever reason, Apple does need Jobs. Could Tim Cook keep it moving in the right direction? Maybe. I for one do not believe he has the personality to stand up against brilliant engineers and tell them they can not clutter up the devices. Without Jobs Apple becomes Sony, and then no one gives a shit about any of their products.

    88. Re:Fucking stupid by Wovel · · Score: 1

      Yeah you were wrong, but an Apple hater had mod points.

    89. Re:Fucking stupid by Wovel · · Score: 1

      I typed in a hurry. My grammatical errors do not make the GP any better informed about the stock market.

    90. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think a little harder. Do you REALLY think that those so-called computer-literate people are installing Windows on Linux and MacBook because they LIKE it?

      Uh, no.

      They install it because it's REQUIRED for a task that they set out to accomplish (running certain games, server software, etc).

      They bought the MACBOOK and installed LINUX out of choice, not the other way around. Think for a moment.

    91. Re:Fucking stupid by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I call bullshit here.

      As do I, call BS on your post.

      but have you actually tried an actual comparison between say, Android and the iOS?

      Looks at desk and see Iphone 3GS and Motorola Milestone (droid for you yanks). Fairly similar in hardware, the Milestone runs a custom ROM (Cyanogen).

      The usability of Android for day to day tasks, and general "Smart Phone" abilities,

      Email = Android wins on account of third party mail programs such as Touchdown which provides Exchange functionality unrivalled by any other mobile client and Gmail, which is head and shoulders above the IOS client in functionality and usability. As for POP/IMAP its dead even IMHO.

      Web Browsing = Android 2.2 is much faster than IOS 4.2. In addition to this Android has the option of having flash installed if you want it, IOS does not effectively cutting itself off from a large portion of the web. Android wins here.

      Calendaring, = IOS by a nose hair. Simply because connectivity to multiple calendars is easier. With Android you end up using separate programs if you don't use one connected to Gmail. Apart from that, Android has slightly more functionality in it's calendaring thanks to third party programs.

      IM = Even seeing as both IOS and Android connect to the most popular IM networks.

      Multi-tasking = I almost didn't add this one because it's so lopsided. Android by a lap and a half. Android has proper multitasking and a damn good scheduler. Apple's multitasking is limited to first party products, for third party applications you have "I wish it were multitasking" where the application is permitted access to a limited number of persistent API's and not permitted to make its own services, the application itself is suspended when navigated away from.

      I had it crash a few times, it refuses to connect to wireless networks sometimes,

      Actually, my Milestone connects to and can find networks the Iphone simply cannot. The only disadvantage Android has is a lack of authenticating proxy options in the stock ROM, on Cyanogen it's not an issue.

      I've also not had a force close in months and this is using a custom ROM so I again call BS.

      And the App Store

      The IOS appstore has more applications, the Android Market has more variety. Only on Android can I get Bluetooth FTP, Samba file sharing programs and third party email clients.

      stagnated piece of shit Google offers.

      That's really balanced, which seems to be the central theme of your post.

      Now for the much touted UI, they are practically the same. You have to be a retarded monkey not to be able to figure out either one. As for polish, this is entirely based on perception and bias. Android is polished enough, perfect is the enemy of done and if they spent all their time polishing the chrome on Android I'd miss out on great features like widgets.

      What I dont like about Apple are two things.
      1. The way Apple does business. The litigation, patent threats, vendor lock-in. Everything we deride Microsoft for doing.
      2. Apple fanboys. Yes you are really that annoying.

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    92. Re:Fucking stupid by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Why don't you start making arguments for NeXT and not OSX? You're argument is not really any different than attributing the successes of Windows 7 to OS/2. It really doesn't make any sense.

      NeXT was pretty slick, but it was hype. It was more of a tech demo more than anything else. It took Apple years to turn it into something useful.

    93. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      NeXT IS OS X. Or at least most the important parts made it into OS X. Especially OpenStep. That's why they can drop OS X/iOS onto nearly any type of CPU they want. That's why the transition of OS X from the G4/G5 chips to Intel went so smoothly. The OS is nearly completely abstracted from the hardware. Tech demo indeed.

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    94. Re:Fucking stupid by toddestan · · Score: 1

      If the company does not pay dividends, the only way to make money with the stock is to buy it with the hope of selling it a future date for a higher price. That's the very definition of speculation.

    95. Re:Fucking stupid by toddestan · · Score: 1

      There you go again talking about OS X. What about NeXT? It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.

    96. Re:Fucking stupid by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      I never understood the volatility of Apple's stock. Jobs could stub his toe and the stock would drop. Someone who works at Infinite Loop could get constipated, and the stock would drop. Someone's iPhone could get a scratch on the front glass, and the stock would drop.

      Why is Apple's stock so prone to heavy fluctuation at the even the slightest hint of something not being perfect?

      Its because history shows that Apple have failed before when Steve Jobs was not at the wheel.

      Its not that Apple will fail without Steve Jobs, its that the world loses CONFIDENCE in Apple when Steve Jobs is not in control.

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    97. Re:Fucking stupid by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      Then how do you explain Microsoft, which has never had a very positive image, yet managed to dominate both the desktop operating system and Web browser markets?

      Just goes to show you, backroom deals and monopolist strongarming also have their place in business, and can sometimes trump "image."

      hmmm, I think you'll find MS has actually had a pretty positive image globally. You're talking about MS not having a good image to IT professionals (and even then there's probably a 50-50 split) - but if you look at it from the point of view of the general public and especially management in any company, MS looks quite attractive.

      Who wouldn't want relatively stable, high-quality products to run every part of your business, all integrated together and backed by a multi-billion dollar company? Sure, that is marketing-speak, and we know the real story, but this is about company IMAGE, and I think MS still have that. They have slipped a bit in recent years however...mainly due to Bill Gates leaving and Steve Ballmer running the show...which is an interesting comparison to Apple.

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    98. Re:Fucking stupid by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      define geek. There are many types of geeks, so just being a geek doesn't mean you're more likely to use one or the other OS.

      eg. anyone who is into games will run Windows. End of story.

      However, how many software developers prefer Windows these days? I'd say it depends on what languages/APIs they use. If they're a .NET/VB/VC type, then MS is their bread-and-butter. However for anything else there almost always is a preference for Linux or OSX.

      Your reasoning is also flawed. You mention windows is popular because it gets things done, doesn't crash and has drivers for everything. My (k)ubuntu desktop does all of that. And for anyone who uses it, it does it just as well. I think Windows is a little more convenient overall, but only in the things you might occasionally want to do, and sometimes only because it is the most common (including all the flow-on effects of that).

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    99. Re:Fucking stupid by dudpixel · · Score: 1

      but if no one liked Apple, the iphone wouldn't have gotten off the ground at all. What was your point again?

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    100. Re:Fucking stupid by Fahrvergnuugen · · Score: 1
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    101. Re:Fucking stupid by dafing · · Score: 1

      What are you on about?

      Put an iPhone 4 next to the top end Android handsets, and compare. For one, its true that no Android handset I've seen is as functionally beautiful as the iPhone, and after using an Original iPhone, and now an iPhone 4, I really wouldnt put up with some plastic piece of shit in my pocket all day long. Its not good enough! Not wanting to waste a thousand dollars on a piece of shit is *NOT* "ohhhh, you only buy because of marketing and image..."

      In terms of how an Operating System works, perhaps thats personal choice, some like X, some like Y.

      I've tried the Samsung Galaxy S (European version I think, here in New Zealand), and have read reviews of the other high end Android devices since before Android were out. I have friends with EVO's , Droids, Droid X's etc, and I wouldnt pick any of them to replace my iPhone.

      If you really like the idea of a >3.5 inch screen, or hot spot abilities (about to come in the new iOS update?), then Android really could be for you.

      I would personally put the iPhone 4 far ahead of other handsets out now, and predicted to be out soon, but whatever, its a personal thing.

      It'll be interesting to see what happens when the iPhone is available on ALL US carriers. I do think that made a huge difference for my American friends, not living like the rest of the world, where we can swap the SIM out, I have three networks available to me, nationwide, most countries are the same.

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    102. Re:Fucking stupid by snowwrestler · · Score: 2

      There are a half-dozen equivalent smartphones out there now, but when the iPhone was released, it was head and shoulders above the rest, and the industry spent years catching up. Same thing with tablets; there's nothing like the iPad out now although I bet in a year or two there will be plenty.

      That's why Apple's stock is tied to perceptions of Steve Jobs' health. It's not the sales now--those are Tim Cook's responsibility, and he's very very good at those. What Jobs does better than anyone is develop new products that lead to significant new lines of revenue. This is why Apple, despite being the 2nd highest valued company in the world, still has a "growth stock" P/E ratio. It's how they get away with holding $40+ billion in cash but not paying a dividend. People believe in Jobs' ability to keep finding new ways to make tons of money. Without that, Apple will become a caretaker brand like Sony or Microsoft or Google, competently managing their legacy businesses, but with a shrinking market share and stagnant stock.

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    103. Re:Fucking stupid by jasonjacks0n · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like their stupid mail reader, which incidentally doesn't even seem to have a name (try to tell a user the difference between his email and the program used to read email) which doesn't have the usual security enhancements because... that would be too many buttons to clic ?

      Sorry, but you're misinformed about this. I've currently got two accounts set up in Mail.app: one using POP3/SMTP, and one using IMAP/SMTP. Both are using SSL, for all server connections. It was pretty painless to set up, too.

      In the preferences dialog's Accounts section, select the account you're configuring from the list on the left, and then select the Advanced tab on the right. There's a checkbox for whether or not to use SSL. The port configuration just to its left will auto-update to the default correct value as you check and uncheck it.

      For the SMTP server, open the Outgoing Mail Server (SMTP) dropdown on the Account Information tab; select Edit SMTP Server List; check the Use Secure Socket Layer (SSL) checkbox.

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    104. Re:Fucking stupid by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1

      Basically, the success of the iPod is what separates you, as a NeXT fan, from the AmigaOS and BeOS fan. Each dead OS did some clever things ahead of its time, and each was an utter market failure despite being beloved by hobbyists.

      The guy who said you're making an OS/2->Windows argument has it right.

      But if today's moderation is any guideline, somebody thinks NeXT is so beyond criticism that anyone who doesn't hail it as the second coming is clearly a troll.

    105. Re:Fucking stupid by PineGreen · · Score: 0

      No, no. People buy iPhones, because they really want to suck Steve Jobs' dick, he just is the most charismatic person around. And then Steve gets sick from all this cock-sucking...

    106. Re:Fucking stupid by natehimmel · · Score: 1

      Being a geek most of my friends are as well and Windows is still by far the most common OS on their home PCs. One guy bought a shiny MBP and promptly installed Windows on it. Pretty much everyone who runs Linux dual-boots with Windows. So yes, when given a choice, even very computer-literate people will freely choose Windows. Because it gets things done, doesn't crash and has drivers for everything. Simple as that. My phone runs Android, though.

      No, it's because "everyone develops for Windows first, Mac OS X second, Linux probably never or perhaps a distant third." Sometimes I want to play video games, and linux just doesn't cut it. Windows is hardly as crash free as you described it.

    107. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a geek most of my friends are as well and Windows is still by far the most common OS on their home PCs. One guy bought a shiny MBP and promptly installed Windows on it. Pretty much everyone who runs Linux dual-boots with Windows. So yes, when given a choice, even very computer-literate people will freely choose Windows. Because it gets things done, doesn't crash and has drivers for everything. Simple as that.

      Having:
      - MBP
      - Asus EEE netbook
      - two desktop PCs
      - home server/router PC
      - two old laptops
      - Mac Mini as HTPC

      at home I have only one dual-booting Windows machine. I don't have even a computer with OS X right now, all of the above are running some kind of Linux. As well as majority of computers in my family. 'Getting work done' using Windows is frustrating and inefficient, most of non-linux games I play are available on PS3.

    108. Re:Fucking stupid by Confusador · · Score: 1

      Alternately, it is owned by investors who are expecting the business to grow so that when it does start paying dividends they will be strong. Without folks like that the entire basis underlying growth stocks vanishes, and the whole system falls apart.

      It's some of both, of course, but with a P/E of only 22 it's not trading solely on hype.

    109. Re:Fucking stupid by swillden · · Score: 1

      Both are actual money. Any time you own any asset, there is a chance of that asset's value declining. That doesn't make the asset's value unreal. For that matter, cash declines in value, and there's a possibility that it may decline with great rapidity (the US dollar could well do that if some of the holders of our national debt ever decide to call and the government has to resort to massive inflation to cover the debts). Even theoretically "hard" assets like gold can take a dive if demand suddenly declines or supply suddenly increases.

      There is no currency or asset that is guaranteed to have future value. That doesn't make them unreal.

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    110. Re:Fucking stupid by Confusador · · Score: 1

      I keep hearing that Apple's stock is overpriced, but that really only holds if you expect their earnings to go down (e.g. as a result of Job's departure). There's a reason they timed this with the earnings report, because their earnings have been insane for the last couple years.

      Of course, I do think that their earnings are unsustainable without Jobs, and the volatility of the stock indicates I'm not alone in that, but it's hardly a foregone conclusion so it's not surprising to see people betting both ways.

    111. Re:Fucking stupid by swillden · · Score: 1

      You need to check a few more dictionaries.

      The definition of speculation is participating in financial transactions with higher levels of risk in order to (hopefully) get greater returns.

      There are dividend stocks that also fall into the category of speculation. For example, there are a number of real estate investment companies who pay 15-20% annual dividends... or at least they do until they fail, at which point they don't pay any dividends and their stock becomes worthless.

      Speculation vs investment is about the quality and prospects of the security, not whether it pays dividends.

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    112. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > then any phone on the market.

      THAN not THEN. Come on, this is not difficult. If you can work-out the non-intuitive UI of an iPhone then you can master simple English.

    113. Re:Fucking stupid by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Of course I forgot to mention that security in that case had to rely on TLS, not SSL, which is nowhere to be seen on Apple products.

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    114. Re:Fucking stupid by SpooForBrains · · Score: 1

      What Jobs has more than anything else is knowledge of when to say "NO". A lot of what geeks perceive as flaws in the iPhone are very good examples of when to say "no". SD card support, for example. No. SD cards are slow, and unpredictable. A bad SD card can severely hamper performance, and it negatively impacts the UI in a big way. Especially when people install their apps on them. So, in the iPhone, you can't have one, and it's a better product for it. Same goes for multitasking. The negative impact of having it outweigh the advantage of having it. So you can't have it. They've allowed it in a very limited capacity on iOS4 and IMO the platform suffers for it. And it goes as far back as the iMac where he said NO to floppy drives and serial. It took everyone else a long time to catch up, but eventually everyone else realised that USB / ethernet / the internet were better ways of getting the job done.

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    115. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mistaken if you assume that stocks are valued based on either dividend or future value. The main driver is the ability to pay dividend. There's no need to actually do so, if a company has other options for the cash. In the case of Apple, there's no doubt that it has a large cashflow. There's real cash coming into the company, from the sales of real products. Therefore, it can pay dividends. You wouldd see AAPL plummet as soon as the cashflow disappears, regardless of profits.

      The same logic makes clear why Enron was overvalued. It never had the ability to pay dividends, as it never had cashflow. It just had paper holdings with arbitrary valuations that were arbitrarily increased to create profit.

    116. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      There you go again talking about OS X. What about NeXT? It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.

      To quote Wikipedia (the easiest source to find), though definitely not the only one:

      Apple Computer announced an intention to acquire NeXT on December 20, 1996.[2] Apple paid $429 million in cash which went to the initial investors and 1.5 million Apple shares which went to Steve Jobs. (Steve Jobs was deliberately not given cash for his part in the deal.)[2][44] The main purpose of the acquisition was to use NeXTSTEP as a foundation to replace the dated Mac OS operating system. Apple favoured this option over others which included continuing development of the Copland operating system, or purchasing the Be Operating System (BeOS).[45] Jobs returned to Apple as a consultant in 1997 and then after the 4 July weekend the same year became interim CEO.[46] In 2000 Jobs took the CEO position as a permanent assignment.[47]

      Several NeXT executives replaced their Apple counterparts when Steve Jobs restructured the company board of directors. Over the next five years the NeXTSTEP operating system was ported to the PowerPC architecture, and the Intel port and the OpenStep Enterprise toolkit for Windows were kept in sync. The operating systems were code named Rhapsody,[48] while the toolkit for development on all platforms was called "Yellow Box". For backwards compatibility Apple added the "Blue Box" to the Macintosh, allowing existing Mac applications to be run in a self-contained cooperative multitasking environment.[49]

      A server version of the new operating system was released as Mac OS X Server 1.0 in 1999, and the first consumer version, Mac OS X 10.0, in 2001. The OpenStep developers toolkit was renamed Cocoa. Rhapsody's Blue Box was renamed Classic Environment. Apple included an updated version of the original Macintosh toolbox that allowed existing Mac applications access to the environment without the constraints of Blue Box called Carbon.[50][51] Some of NeXTSTEP's interface features were used in Mac OS X; these included the Dock, the Services menu, the Finder's 'browser' view, the text system NSText, and system-wide selectors for fonts and colors.

      NeXTSTEP's processor-independent capabilities were retained in Mac OS X. Every version was compiled on both PowerPC and Intel x86 architectures, although only PowerPC versions were released to the public until 2006. Apple publicly announced on June 6, 2005 plans to base future systems on Intel processors.[52] The transition to Intel was completed by August 2006. In addition, the iPhone contains a specialized ARM version of OS X. OS X 10.6 does not support the PowerPC, although it will run PowerPC binaries through the Rosetta emulation subsystem.

      To quote: "The OpenStep developers toolkit was renamed Cocoa.". To quote: "NeXTSTEP's processor-independent capabilities were retained in Mac OS X." This is a far more close relationship than say, Windows to OS/2. The core of OS X is at code level copied directly from the NeXT operating system.

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    117. Re:Fucking stupid by cronius · · Score: 1

      Pretty much everyone who runs Linux dual-boots with Windows. So yes, when given a choice, even very computer-literate people will freely choose Windows.

      Pfft. Welcome to the world of anecdotes. *Every* geek I know (and working at a computer company with ~200 employees, I know many) wouldn't touch Windows with a ten foot pole.

      All of our machines (desktop and servers) and everyone working at our company (geek or not) use Linux (plus we have a few Macs to be honest). The only Windows exception being accounting: I believe they remote connect to a single windows machine running some proprietary accounting stuff.

      I have used Linux exclusively (no dual boot) for about ten years. I still do "windows support" for some friends and family (getting less though) and boy do I not miss all the idiotic problems people have with Windows.

      Anyway, just because you live in a Linux-flirting Windows world doesn't mean everyone else does. A lot of us happily live in the Linux-only world.

      And in case you're wondering: I obviously work at a free software company. Welcome to the world of anecdotes.

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    118. Re:Fucking stupid by rgviza · · Score: 1

      Without Jobs' reality distortion field, people will see Apple for what it is.

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    119. Re:Fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So yes, when given a choice, even very computer-literate people will freely choose Windows. Because of proprietary application lock-in and the fact it's near-impossible to buy a computer without paying for it. Simple as that.

      FTFY

    120. Re:Fucking stupid by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You can't say anything about about NeXT without framing it with OS X. That's because it didn't amount to much until Apple bought them and turned it into OS X. NeXT itself was little more than a tech demo. Cool, but not very useful in of itself.

      Sad thing is a lot of the cool stuff NeXT did, like the resolution independence, was lost when Apple dropped the clunky Mac interface on top of it.

    121. Re:Fucking stupid by catchblue22 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You can't say anything about about NeXT without framing it with OS X. That's because it didn't amount to much until Apple bought them and turned it into OS X. NeXT itself was little more than a tech demo. Cool, but not very useful in of itself.

      Sad thing is a lot of the cool stuff NeXT did, like the resolution independence, was lost when Apple dropped the clunky Mac interface on top of it.

      Resolution independence was removed to my knowledge because it was based on PostScript. Adobe was charging too much to license it, so Apple removed it.

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    122. Re:Fucking stupid by W2k · · Score: 1

      The grandparent was making a claim ("Does anyone really like Microsoft, other than those who swear by their products and services? I really doubt it.") trivially disproved by example, so I thought an anecdote appropriate. I have never doubted that there exists people who really don't use Windows at all - in fact I know some of those as well, but this was not relevant to my point, which was solely to point out that there are, in fact, computer geeks who use Windows by choice.

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    123. Re:Fucking stupid by cronius · · Score: 1

      Lazy as I am I didn't read the post you were replying to (your post was scored 4 and the one you were replying to zero).

      Anyway, nice reply.

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    124. Re:Fucking stupid by speedingant · · Score: 1

      Hater.

  19. Re:Yeah.. by NuKe_MoNgOoSe · · Score: 0

    Oh I do, Earth is hell or at least my definition of hell anyway. I just hate how much people fawn over celebrities Lindsay Lohan cant break a toe without it being in every paper coast to coast. 13 yr old gets shot in the face and it makes headlines in the city where it happened... its the way of the world, it doesnt mean I have to like it though.

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  20. Re:Yeah.. by Spad · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure what you're saying here; are you saying that we shouldn't wish well those who are being raped and killed? Or that we shouldn't wish well those who are rich and successful? Or that we shouldn't have news stories about significant events in the life of multinational tech companies?

    Or is it simply a case of the usual "You're doing X while more important thing Y is happening, so you're a bad person"?

  21. Now he's getting a neck transplant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Turtles are reported running for cover.

  22. Privacy for Jobs? Maybe that's not realistic. by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps no other company is more tied to its CEO than Jobs, except maybe Warren Buffett. For as much as he and his family wish for privacy however it is reasonable for stockholders, especially HUGE stockholders to know how his condition is. When you buy a stock you are buying the leadership also. If anything this is probably going to drop AAPL's stock valuation down a bit to a more realistic level. 2nd biggest market cap in the world? Really? It certainly doesn't deserve it and with their margins getting squeezed and the fact that there only so many worlds they can conquer means that the shorts are probably going to make some $$$ on AAPL soon. Given that the survival of pancreatic cancer is so low and that Jobs decided to do more hippy dippy holistic approaches doesn't bode well for his survival. That's just the way it is. That being said, there probably is no visionary that comes close to Jobs and I am thankful for my iPhone, my iPod, my Mac and my iPad.

    1. Re:Privacy for Jobs? Maybe that's not realistic. by Haedrian · · Score: 1

      "except maybe Warren Buffett."

      Is he the guy who invented the all-you-can-eat?

    2. Re:Privacy for Jobs? Maybe that's not realistic. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean, c'mon, the guy just wants to kick back and have a few beers in peace. Leave him alone already.

    3. Re:Privacy for Jobs? Maybe that's not realistic. by revlayle · · Score: 1

      Dude's been "hippy dippy" for years... that being said, pancreas cancer is bad mojo

    4. Re:Privacy for Jobs? Maybe that's not realistic. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Given that the survival of pancreatic cancer is so low and that Jobs decided to do more hippy dippy holistic approaches doesn't bode well for his survival.

      "Breathe deep, the gathering gloom" is actually quite prescient; all energy healing starts with deep breathing. Perhaps I will be modded down, but I know that this works for myself; I practice Jin Shin Jyutsu, and have studied others and know that all energy healing modalities are intimately linked to breathing deeply, to fight off the disease/gloom that gathers. (Also, you breathe deeply when you sleep, and sleep is a time of relaxing/refreshing/healing.)

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  23. Severe illness survivor, remember? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    Yeah, maybe he's just parking where he wants on the private property he (colloquially speaking) owns and operates.

    And maybe he does have reason to park in a handicapped spot. Not all debilitating medical issues are obvious, and Jobs is quite private about what is, well, private. The man survived a nigh-unto-unsurvivable disease, and may have limitations you are not aware of.

    Anecdote: an acquaintance stops breathing when sleeping, and is prone to narcolepsy - not a good combination. Otherwise healthy, she often garners snide comments from such as yourself for parking in a handicap space so she is close to the crucial breathing machine kept in the car.

    Just sayin'.

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    1. Re:Severe illness survivor, remember? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdote: an acquaintance stops breathing when sleeping, and is prone to narcolepsy - not a good combination. Otherwise healthy, she often garners snide comments from such as yourself for parking in a handicap space so she is close to the crucial breathing machine kept in the car.

      I don't really know her situation at all, but hopefully she isn't driving herself around. Prone to narcolepsy yet driving a car anyway sounds like disaster waiting to happen.

  24. Re:Yeah.. by NuKe_MoNgOoSe · · Score: 0

    I could be a bad person.. I think the way I think. I dont put much stock into why to be honest. I certainly dont wish suffering on anyone. I simply hate how some people are devalued just because of their social status. Again, just the way of the world but it doesnt mean I have to like it. It comes into line with other things which are just 'the way things are' like sports stars and celebrities getting paid collectively hundreds of billions of dollars when the rest of the world is falling to rot around them? See what I am saying? People will fire back with all kinds of logical and economic reasons why this is the way it is... it doesnt change the fact that the world really is slowly falling apart as the human race just continues to pour resources into anything and everything that doesnt really matter. I doubt I explained that very well and for that I am sorry.

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  25. I heard by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    He has a bad case of flash fever. Sorry it had to be said.

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  26. Re:SELL SELL SELL by delinear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple aren't in the market of innovation, they're in the market of aspiration. Nothing they've done has been "innovative", every product they've release in at least the last ten years has already been done, but they package it in a format that makes people desire it. They're pretty much like a top clothes designer. A top designer can charge a premium way above the cost of his materials or the price of his competitors because people want to be seen in his clothes. If he loses the ability to design, he can still sell mass-produced pants, but they lose their elite appeal and have to compete purely on price, that's a downward spiral. Don't underestimate just how closely linked the health of Jobs and the health of Apple actually are.

  27. Other Leaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess it goes with his leave of senses.

  28. Re:Obscure by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Except we do care for our quota of 10 obscure people per month. (Your quota may vary.) Usually it's the "Give him/her a chance".

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  29. Speak for yourself by Dratman · · Score: 1

    Please don't assume that everyone else has the same default lack of caring about others. I tend to care about everyone. I'm not saying that's a better attitude -- though it might be -- but it's certainly not the same as yours.

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    1. Re:Speak for yourself by Draek · · Score: 2

      Really? between all the victims of rape, murder and lethal accidents that occur worldwide every minute, I'm amazed that you could find enough time to write here on Slashdot between all the crying.

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    2. Re:Speak for yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a rapist, murder and drunk driver I still care about Steve!

  30. I have pancreatic cancer.. by Marbleless · · Score: 3

    .. and trust me, I'd say not being a billionaire sucks more.

    A billionaire not only has people to help get through each day, but there are other people to research possibilities and provide the best possible care.

    However, for me, it sucks more because I don't have the money (or the time) to do all the things I want to do, to see all the things I want to see in this still very beautiful and wonderful world. Nor can I care for those nearest me in the way I want to.

    I wish SJ the best and hope he recovers from whatever ails him.

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    1. Re:I have pancreatic cancer.. by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      My mother recently recovered from Pancreatic cancer, she was VERY VERY fortunate. I'll be thinking of you, and wishing you the best.

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    2. Re:I have pancreatic cancer.. by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 1

      Best of luck, mr. Marbleless, and I wish you a full recovery!

    3. Re:I have pancreatic cancer.. by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

      Get yourself cryogenically frozen if you can afford it.

      There's plausible, well researched reasons why it would work. Yes, there are many things that could go wrong, but nothing known to science today says that a person's frozen brain could not be rebuild with technology with the same control of matter that living cells have.

      It's also a case of Pascal's dilemna. If/when you die from pancreatic cancer, at the moment after your death you will either be in the afterlife (if there is one) or instantaneously in the future when you have been revived. The only 'loss' is that your relatives won't inherit the money you spent on it (about 50-80k). Since there's a possibility that there is no afterlife (there is no scientific evidence at all for one) I say spending the money for a better chance is better than taking the chance of eternal oblivion.

    4. Re:I have pancreatic cancer.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with your fight Marbleless...

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  32. this will not help apple's plead to shareholders.. by williamyf · · Score: 1

    To vote againsta motion to publicly disclose succession plans....

    Let's hope the guy recovers, but, at the end, we know that one can not evade death forever.

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  33. good fundamentals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the stock is not over valued. Its trading at a very reasonable rate given the fundamentals. Much more so than many tech companies out there. The wild upswings in Apple stock price have largely been grounded by wild upswings in Apple revenue and profit.

    That said...it is clearly volatile because it's being bought and sold by the ignorant god fearing masses....

  34. Another drives by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 2

    No, she doesn't drive herself - which makes the appearance even more disconcerting to uninformed onlookers when a perfectly healthy driver uses a handicapped spot.

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    1. Re:Another drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for clarifying that. I wish her the best, and hope the onlookers learn a bit of sense. Far too few people seem to remember that there are handicapping conditions which don't appear physically. I wonder if part of the problem is the common use of a wheelchair on handicapped signage? But really, that's an entirely different discussion, and certainly no excuse for the uninformed.

  35. PE == 23 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Past performance is not indicative of future performance.

    PE of 23 is not too high for you?!? PE Unless there's better news tomorrow, AAPL is going to tank a few percent.

    1. Re:PE == 23 by Americano · · Score: 1

      "tank a few percent"?

      Sorry, but "a few percent" is hardly statistically significant, and sure isn't enough to bring Apple's P/E ration down significantly.

      A P/E ratio of 23 is above average (S&P 500 has averaged, over its lifetime, a P/E ratio of about 15-16), but given what GP said about new product pipeline, I don't think it's astronomically overvalued, unless that pipeline suddenly dries up.

      It's entirely possible the pipeline stops where Steve Jobs' vision & guidance end, but even still, Apple probably has a good 3-5 years of new products on the calendar already. Given his past health scares, I doubt they're leaving much to chance with succession planning.

  36. Oh God Why!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is that fool dieing. He has like -2% body fat. He should live forever. Also he is rich so he has access the the best health care that the underprivileged underclass has no access to.
    If when we get universal health care in the USA, if I can't live any better that this rich guy something is not right. President Obama promised me that once I get access to the health care that I deserve, I will not die.

    I think that maybe something is fundamentally flawed with logic itself, because the facts are just not adding up.

    Fact about health care according to the powers that B.

    1) The rich control health care and keep the disadvantaged from living healthy.
    2) Every healthy rich person's health is in fact built on the back of some fat poor working slob who will die early because he doesn't have equal access.

    However this skinny rich person is not healthy whereas I, being an uninsured, unemployed lard ass who sit on my ass all day and watch Jerry Springer all day (i luv that guy) am realtivly heathy (in the sense that I ussually outrun and outlift and outswim all the skinny healthy people who are all dieing of pancreatic cancer and shit.

    SO I DEMAND TO KNOW WHAT GIVES. Either someone has been lieing to me, or maybe logic just does not work.

  37. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has AIDS, old news. Wikileak.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs is fighting extradition charges to Sweden where he will be surprised with charges of "surprise sex" and surprise witnesses will testify that he did something to the condom before raping them, after they had said yes.

  38. Voodoo medicine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jobs seems to think modern medicine is evil. He prefers "alternative" treatments.

  39. Apple's PE is 15 EX CASH by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve's health is already priced in. The run-up in share price has been driven by actual earnings, in fact the PE is down from a year or two ago. http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/02/apples-pe-ex-cash-nearing-15/

    1. Re:Apple's PE is 15 EX CASH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means their earning run-up is priced in, not Steve Job's health. PE 23 means there is strong *expectation* that Apple will grow significantly.

  40. Re:Yeah.. lol by NuKe_MoNgOoSe · · Score: 0

    lol heaven forbid you have a negative outlook on something posted here if your not preaching rainbows or falling in line your a troll. To me a troll would be someone who fires out a comment for the sole purpose of inciting a argument. My post is my honest take on a population who worships social icons and places their health on some kind of imaginary pedestal over more common people. How the hell is that a troll? That question is rhetorical btw.

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  41. Wow! Just In! by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    Apple formally set its succession plan for the eventual departure of CEO Steve Jobs as it named marketing chief Steve Ballmer as chief operating officer.
    The move also came as Andrew Fastow was named chief financial officer. Fastow was previously in charge of the Northern Natural Gas Company and will succeed Peter Oppenheimer at the end of the year.
    As head of Microsoft, Ballmer has led the company to remain the largest computer operating system provider and has taken Apple's best punch via OSX. Meanwhile, Microsoft has launched the Windows Mobile franchise and partnered with Dell.
    In a statement, Apple said Ballmer will oversee the company’s business, computer and wireless businesses. He will also oversee technology management and CIO functions. David J. Lesar will become CEO of Microsoft and Gayle Troberman., currently chief marketing officer of Microsoft will become COO.

  42. money buys you health by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wonder which organ transplant list he'll buy his way to the top of this year

  43. Re:Yeah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earth is hell or at least my definition of hell anyway.

    Funny, I think we can agree on that: In my version of hell, we have to listen to self-important, self-styled "deep thinker" fucktards preach to us about what's wrong with society in the tritest ways imaginable.

  44. He beat cancer by ericdano · · Score: 1

    Steve, you beat cancer. That right there entitles you to take some time off. On top of that, you beat the odds and had a cancer that was rare and treatable rather than terminal. And you have a new liver. I'm surprised you are doing as much as you are.

    Go, take time off. Focus on your health. Come back to announce amazing apple products when you can.

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    1. Re:He beat cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you own Apple devices. Is he your god or something?

  45. Are You Stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They give those people handicap tags so they don't get towed. If they have a handicap tag, you can park there. If your friend doesn't have one, she will get towed.

  46. Nope by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Sure, Gates is trying to buy a Nobel Peace Prize, but at least some good will come out of the attempt. What has Jobs done with his filthy lucre (other than buy the naming rights to new buildings for 'Sisters of the Poor' Stanford)? And to be blunt: do you really think Steve Jobs would extend to any of us the same human compassion you're asking?

  47. coward_indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - "OK, lets get the PR team in place"
    - "But Steve was the driving tech innovation guy"
    - "We're not here for technology, anybody knows whats the impact on my bonus?"
    - "Damn, OK, lets have some memorial on this Steve guy, then report back on my bonus, this is really really bad"

  48. Re:SELL SELL SELL by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

    Nothing they've done has been "innovative"

    I'm not an Apple fan, far from it, but your claim is just wrong. The wheel on the ipod? itunes? The original Mac? Zero config networking? Stepping way out with the ipad?

    Apple may be many distasteful things, but "not innovative" is not one of them.

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  49. Even if you hate Apple... by nilbog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't use the iPhone because I don't like the control Apple exerts over it. Still, I recognize that the place smart phones are in today is due to the existence of the iPhone and without it those of us using smart phones would still be using Windows Mobile 6.5 bricks. So my relationship with Apple is both positive and negative. If we lose Steve Jobs, we will lose a driving force in the industry that will effect the quality of the electronics you buy; Apple or otherwise.

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    1. Re:Even if you hate Apple... by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      What?!? I don't think Android (or anything else) owes it's existence to the iPhone.

    2. Re:Even if you hate Apple... by nilbog · · Score: 1

      Really? You think it's just coincidence that modern smartphones lept forward in both software and hardware after the iPhone in exactly the amount of time it takes to develop and manufacture such a device. I'm sure you're right, the competition from the hotest new phone on the block - years ahead of anything else - probably didn't play at all into any strategic decisions made by Google, Palm, or Microsoft. I'm sure Android 2.3, WebOS, and Windows 7 would all miraculously exist exactly the same today had the iPhone never been introduced. Even though we were all using Windows Mobile 6 for like 80 years before all that happened.

      If you couldn't tell, that was all sarcasm.

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  50. iDontCare by retardpicnic · · Score: 1

    He got his brand new iLiver last year and is getting an iHeart now, one organ at a time, So why do people keep modding my Jobs/Vader comparisons down?!

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    1. Re:iDontCare by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

      why do people keep modding my Jobs/Vader comparisons down?

      Because they're tedious and unfunny?

    2. Re:iDontCare by retardpicnic · · Score: 1

      Well, it looks like someone finds my lack of faith disturbing.

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  51. Re:SELL SELL SELL by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I don't totally disagree with you. Apple didn't invent many of the things they sell. They did however improve and market them as innovative. I mean that they are innovative in how they design their products. While companies like HP and IBM and others design things that are functional but boring Apple seems to make things functional and exciting. You can hate them if you like but what they do works well for them enabling them to claim premium prices while others have to settle for thin margins.

  52. Jobs influenced 3 industries by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

    Not only he managed to get the vision of the computer has appliance, he also managed to make Pixar a household name when George Lucas didn't had any idea about what to do with the studio, made tablet computers interesting for consumers and revolutionized phone industry.

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    1. Re:Jobs influenced 3 industries by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      Not only he managed to get the vision of the computer has appliance, he also managed to make Pixar a household name when George Lucas didn't had any idea about what to do with the studio, made tablet computers interesting for consumers and revolutionized phone industry.

      To be fair, Lucas didn't sell Pixar because he didn't know what to do with it. Lucas was going through a divorce and he had cash flow problems, so he sold the animation studio for liquidity. Even Jobs' idea for Pixar wasn't for them to become a moviemaker.

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  53. The reason by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    This is as good a place to respond as any.

    Yes, part of it is that I genuinely didn't want the first post to be a troll saying, "Good, maybe this will finally doom Apple!"

    But part of it is because both of my parents died of cancer. It was a hideous degenerative process that involved a lot of pain and anguish. As a result, whenever I hear of someone who has cancer, whether it's a really famous star or business mogul or a homeless person the street, friend, neighbor, or total stranger, my first thought is, "Oh wow, I hope they recover quickly, and if not, that they don't suffer a lot."

    Also, it's basic empathy. I'm going to be undergoing surgery on Wednesday. It's nothing too terribly life-threatening, but it is on my spine, which always has an "oh my god!" risk factor associated with it of being paralyzed. Not ever having has so much as an incision or a stitch or a broken bone or anything, it's a little freaky. I run some gaming web sites that have a lot of visitors, and some of them know that I'm having the surgery. As a result, I've had random people wishing me well. And yeah, call it corny or silly or whatever, but I know it makes me feel better.

    Now, I'm fairly certain that Steve Jobs will probably not see my post. Still, on the offhand chance that he does, or for other people who are having similar problems, who are you to say that it doesn't help them, knowing that random strangers out there care enough to post that?

    I do agree, though, with one thing: There's definitely smugness and self-promotion going on. But in my opinion, it's coming from the "I don't have to be part of the social norm by displaying any empathy" trolls.

  54. fanboi mod down - hurry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    keyword: deadmanwalking

  55. Re:SELL SELL SELL by walshy007 · · Score: 1

    If you limit what you've said to the last ten years (which I think is reasonable for a company that innovates a lot apparently) you'd be left with only the ipad. Which is essentially just a gigantic size ipod touch...

  56. Unauthorized AUTObiography? by dido · · Score: 1

    Multiple personality disorder anyone?

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      This is what happens when I post on Slashdot before the first cup of coffee.

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  57. Re:SELL SELL SELL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Nothing Apple has done in the past ten years has been innovative."

    Your definition of innovate must be extremely narrow. Just as one example, the MacBook Pro unibody design.

  58. Netcraft confirms it: Steve Jobs is dying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has taken a permanent leave of absence because of an extremely fatal illness. His supply of Egoism, which keeps him alive, is running out. Doctors had considered giving him a shot of Humility, but it was determined this would be too much a shock to the system. Sycophants have been placed on a round the clock deathwatch for the Apple leader.

  59. Re:Fucking stupid IT teachers by not_hylas(+) · · Score: 1

    Tim Cook has been groomed for years, Steve has a first class team now - Jobs remembers his last mistake at Apple and won't repeat it. One thing Jobs is not, is stupid.

    Somewhat off topic, but relevant:
    I, unfortunately went to IT school in Seattle, WA, around 2000, (originally it was to be Vancouver B.C, such is the price of love at first sight - 5 years married) I was required (forced) to take Win 2k Server as part of a UNIX System Administration track. Ultimately it became useful, but more in a "backwards and in high-heels" way. Our Windows teacher was such a zealot that he equated stock price to superiority of OS platform, Apple was in the midst of rolling out OS X at this point and their stock was something like $11.00 a share, Microsoft was $33.00.

    I was so poor at the time it wasn't funny, I told everyone "BUY APPLE" up and until 2003 or so, many of my more wealthy friends did. Some put their children through college with that tip (yes, me = SuperGenius).
    I never would ever equate stock price with OS performance, and I often think back on my poor MS teacher and know what a hard lesson he learned.

    Me? Lovin' the UNIX and the Plan 9.

    New tip: buy electrical utilities and general infrastructure - long term.

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