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EFF Offers an Introduction To Traitorware

theodp writes "The EFF's Eva Galperin offers a brief primer on Traitorware, devices that act behind your back to betray your privacy. 'Your digital camera may embed metadata into photographs with the camera's serial number or your location,' writes Galperin. 'Your printer may be incorporating a secret code on every page it prints which could be used to identify the printer and potentially the person who used it. If Apple puts a particularly creepy patent it has recently applied for into use, you can look forward to a day when your iPhone may record your voice, take a picture of your location, record your heartbeat, and send that information back to the mothership.' She concludes: 'EFF will be there to fight it [Traitorware]. We believe that your software and devices should not be a tool for gathering your personal data without your explicit consent.'"

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  1. Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approach- ing that of the few dozen men who control America’s mass media of news and entertainment.Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour. It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated.

    The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially ev- erything we know—or think we know—about events out- side our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.

    It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagan- dizing of history-distorting TV “docudramas” that charac- terizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us.

    For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter’s choice of words, tone of voice, and facial ex- pressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustra- tions—all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear.

    On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the “in” crowd, the “beautiful people,” the “smart money.” They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way.

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    1. Re:Who rules America? by ZDRuX · · Score: 4, Funny

      You speak like a conspiracy theorist, therefore you must be a terrorist! The news said so!

      (p.s.: I'm being sarcastic, and totally agree with your post.)

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    2. Re:Who rules America? by FudRucker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If i had mod points i would mod this up eleventy billion + insightful!!!
      thanks!

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    3. Re:Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you check out his link? Now how much do you like it?

    4. Re:Who rules America? by wordsnyc · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Now you know why so many people think Ron Paul is cool. They don't click on the links.

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    5. Re:Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you know why so many people think Ron Paul is cool. They don't click on the links.

      Other people like Ron Paul. You don't. Therefore, those other people disagree with you.

      Of course, no one could ever disagree with you except that they're stupid/ignorant/crazy/etc. If only they read the links and became enlightened, then they'd see how right you are. Those poor bastards. Unless some miraculous self-clicking link comes along and saves them, they are doomed to forever wallow in the depths of ignorance and like people you don't like.

      That is the only rational explanation. The fact that Ron Paul is a member of Congress who actually wants to reduce the size and power of government, nah, that's got nothing to do with it. I bet those primitive screw-heads who support Ron Paul aren't even capable of understanding why that's significant. Right?

    6. Re:Who rules America? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      You speak like a conspiracy theorist, therefore you must be a terrorist! The news said so! (p.s.: I'm being sarcastic, and totally agree with your post.)

      It's OK for this type of digital behavior in America, yet, it's also OK to go after Assange for the deeds of persons known and unknown to proliferate the issues of wikileaks. What's good for the goose is also good for the gander, so to speak. To be a patriot is to be a traitor. Go figure.

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    7. Re:Who rules America? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      Of course, the article, written by the research staff at National Vanguard books, continues:

      "For example, a racially mixed couple will be respected, liked, and socially sought after by other characters, as will
      a “take charge” Black scholar or businessman, or a sensitive and talented homosexual, or a poor but honest and
      hardworking illegal alien from Mexico. On the other hand, a White racist—that is, any racially conscious White person
      who looks askance at miscegenation or at the rapidly darkening racial situation in America—is portrayed, at best,
      as a despicable bigot who is reviled by the other characters, or, at worst, as a dangerous psychopath who is fascinated
      by firearms and is a menace to all law-abiding citizens. The White racist “gun nut,” in fact, has become a familiar
      stereotype on TV shows.
      The average American, of whose daily life TV-watching takes such an unhealthy portion, distinguishes between
      these fictional situations and reality only with difficulty, if at all. He responds to the televised actions, statements, and
      attitudes of TV actors much as he does to his own peers in real life. For all too many Americans the real world has
      been replaced by the false reality of the TV environment, and it is to this false reality that his urge to conform responds.
      Thus, when a TV scriptwriter expresses approval of some ideas and actions through the TV characters for
      whom he is writing, and disapproval of others, he exerts a powerful pressure on millions of viewers toward conformity
      with his own views.
      And as it is with TV entertainment, so it is also with the news, whether televised or printed. The insidious thing about
      this form of thought control is that even when we realize that entertainment or news is biased, the media masters still
      are able to manipulate most of us. This is because they not only slant what they present, but also they establish tacit
      boundaries and ground rules for the permissible spectrum of opinion."

      Yes, those poor oppressed racists who only want to prevent others from darkening America. It's not that they are espousing a universally reviled concept, it's just a few masters in the media who brainwash everybody else. The racists are the true, strong, independent Americans! Riiiiight....

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    8. Re:Who rules America? by cosmas_c · · Score: 0

      a pdf?
      I am still in my room trying to kill flash videos!

    9. Re:Who rules America? by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 3, Funny

      You didn't include the important part of the link. All the stuff about how its the fault of the Jews.

    10. Re:Who rules America? by ZDRuX · · Score: 1

      Sorry guys I don't really get the "he didn't click the link" part.. you mean the article that he pasted from?

      I clicked the link but didn't read the whole thing.. Although I don't see how it would change anything, I said I agree with what he pasted, I don't know what the rest of the article talks about, nor should I care really - I don't think the source of information should detract from its message.

      Unless I missed something?

      As for the Apple patent article from EFF, yes I did read it as well.

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    11. Re:Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      You didn't include the important part of the link. All the stuff about how its the fault of the Jews.

      That's just a fact, a fact you are conditioned to automatically reject. But it must be separated from indiscriminate anti-Semitism.

      There is a small ruling elite composed of ethnic Jews who run the international banking establishment. The US Federal Reserve is one branch of that establishment and there is one like it in every Western nation. The US Fed is a private corporation and so are its sister organizations in other countries. If you can control a nation's currency and keep that nation in perpetual debt, you can compromise an entire nation without ever using military force. It is economic warfare and economic domination.

      The average Jewish person has nothing to do with any of this. The average Congresscritter is a white male. When they vote for unreasonable laws they aren't going to give you any special mercy just because you might happen to also be a white male. So it is with the average Jewish person and this ruling elite. This ruling elite is composed of ethnic Jews but that's the only thing Jewish about them. The reject the religion and traditions that define the identity of the Jewish people. None of that matters to them. It's money and power. They are as secular as it gets. They feel no special loyalty to other Jewish people.

      It is like mainstram Muslims and radical Muslims. The radical Muslims don't care about the nonviolent Muslims. They'll happily blow shit up and cause the deaths of other Muslims if it advances their psychotic cause. Just as you can be against radical Islam without hating all Muslims, you can be against these elite bankers who happen to be Jewish without hating all Jews.

      It's true that secular Jewish people completely own western media. That's just a fact, research it on your own. It's also true that the percentage of secular Jews who are college professors is incredibly high compared to the percentage of all Jews in the general population. Same deal with the major banks. Control the media, control who educates the next generation, control the money supply. That is how a tiny minority can dominate a huge majority.

    12. Re:Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yep. Little by little people are getting wise to the Jews - again. When they've finally had enough and the shit hits the fan, as it repeatedly has throughout history, it'll all be "Oy vey! Why does this always happen to us?".

    13. Re:Who rules America? by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, the article is from a 'White Nationalist' (aka Neo-Nazi) magazine, National Vanguard, sponsored by the 'White Nationalist', National Socialist organization National Alliance. Most of the rest of the article after what the AC posted is a little more blatantly obvious as to what their message really is. Just sayin'.

    14. Re:Who rules America? by c6gunner · · Score: 0

      You think Assange is a patriot?

      Dude. You have smoked yourself RETARDED.

    15. Re:Who rules America? by Meski · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He's not a patriot for the same reason he's not a traitor.

    16. Re:Who rules America? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      'cos he's a piece of shit "anarchist" wanna-be?

    17. Re:Who rules America? by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      It's true that secular Jewish people completely own western media.

      Of course. Just look at Rupert Murdoch. Oh,wait....

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    18. Re:Who rules America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one. (And one that, while he may not be a Jew, obviously holds Zionist interests close to his heart.) Now name another non-Jew that holds a substantial media company.

    19. Re:Who rules America? by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      I don't recall him ever espousing anarchy. I think you may want to post an a different site where people are more gullible to your disingenuous statements.

    20. Re:Who rules America? by Domint · · Score: 1

      'cos he's a piece of shit "anarchist" wanna-be?

      Ummm, because he's not an American citizen? One can't be a traitor to a community one is not a member of. But don't let that stop you from being a douche. Carry on.

    21. Re:Who rules America? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I never mentioned America, nor did anyone suggest that we a patriot of, or a traitor to, America. But don't let that stop you from spouting non-sequiturs.

    22. Re:Who rules America? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Right. And Kim Jong Il never expressed a fondness for oppressive dictatorships, ergo he's clearly a fan of liberal democracy.

      I think you may want to pull your head out of your ass, and have a look at the world around you. If you think that a mans words are the best way to judge his beliefs and desires, you're a naive fool.

    23. Re:Who rules America? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      You think Assange is a patriot?

      Dude. You have smoked yourself RETARDED.

      Assange is not a patriot since he is not American. He is an opportunist, just like all the other American businessmen that cut the throats of other American workers. Assange does what other Americans should be doing, standing up to out of control governments, businesses, and military subterfuge.
      What's your excuse, retard?

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    24. Re:Who rules America? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      'cos he's a piece of shit "anarchist" wanna-be?

      Anarchy is the only self-sustaining form of government. Look at the various parts of Africa.

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    25. Re:Who rules America? by bughunter · · Score: 1

      You know, I was going to make an informative, insightful post here, but since slashdot's text entry fields break basic functions like copy and paste, all i can do is say:

      Click the link. Scroll down to the last page and read that. It's frequently more informative than reading the first page.

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  2. Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Most of us use these devices for completely mundane purposes. If a company is able to aggregate this information and transform it into something that benefits my experiences using the wisdom of crowds, for example, more power to them.

    People want to be able to do what they want with devices they purchase. Isn't it inconsistent to deny this freedom to the companies that sell us these devices?

    1. Re:Who really cares, though? by ZDRuX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What happens when the government starts analyzing these signs to determine you might be up to no good? Regardless if a crime has taken place or not? If your heart rate is elevated or you're palms are sweating, and you're close to an airport/school/gov office building/whatever, you might be planning an attack, why not just be on the safe side and have you come down with the nice men in black down to the local station for questioning?

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    2. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Isn't it inconsistent to deny this freedom to the companies that sell us these devices?

      What about a person's right to not be secretly recorded, logged, tracked and monitored purely for corporate greed?

    3. Re:Who really cares, though? by Shikaku · · Score: 2

      So what business does Apple have with my SSN that would benefit me?

    4. Re:Who really cares, though? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If your heart rate is elevated or you're palms are sweating, and you're close to an airport/school/gov office building/whatever...

      Good grief! Maybe I'm just in the back of my window-less Econoline rubbing off a quick one! What's the problem?

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    5. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your free market forces means your manufacturer quite happily either sells them the info asked for or cooperate and get feef's paid for admin charges to provide it with a court order.

    6. Re:Who really cares, though? by pitchpipe · · Score: 0

      Isn't it inconsistent to deny this freedom to the companies that sell us these devices?

      FUCK corporations! I repeat: fuck corporations! They are NOT persons. They have no right to free speech. When corporations become as big and powerful influence in our lives as the government - even more than the government - they need laws that prevent them from restricting OUR speech, and laws that prevent them from unreasonable search and seizure of US! FUCK corporations!

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    7. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People want to be able to do what they want with devices they purchase. Isn't it inconsistent to deny this freedom to the companies that sell us these devices?

      No. Look up "purchase" and "sell" in the dictionary, because you clearly don't understand what these words mean.

    8. Re:Who really cares, though? by raque · · Score: 2

      For background, here is the Wikipedia article on Corperate Personhood.. I would like to raise the point that maybe corporations are just smoke screens for powerful individuals. We have to be careful to attack the Matidor, not the cape.

    9. Re:Who really cares, though? by TimHunter · · Score: 1

      -1, Paranoid

    10. Re:Who really cares, though? by texaport · · Score: 1

      according to my new iPhone app that explains formerly complicated concepts ... the word "Privacy" comes from the Gaelic 'pri' (share) and Teutonic 'vac' (info)

    11. Re:Who really cares, though? by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't it inconsistent to deny this freedom to the companies that sell us these devices?

      What about a person's right to not be secretly recorded, logged, tracked and monitored purely for corporate greed?

      I'm pretty sure that AC was just trolling. At least, I'd really like to think so.

      Unfortunately there really are a lot of people who, for some reason, will act against their own self-interests and vehemently defend this kind of intrusive surveillance. I believe the term for them is "useful idiots".

      Throughout history, every time a relatively free nation became a brutal dictatorship, there were such people who welcomed it with open arms at least until it was finally their face smashed by a jackbooted thug. The GP might be one of those.

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    12. Re:Who really cares, though? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So when I sell you a chair I should be allowed to dictate when and how you may sit on it, that you may ONLY use it to sit at a table and ONLY to eat your soup but not your burger? And when I sell you that burger, I should be allowed to dictate that you may ONLY drink MY soda while you eat it (I bet McD would love that!)? Yes, even if you order it to take it with you.

      When I sell you something, I also have to relinquish the right to determine its use and purpose. If you take my chair and use it to juggle, I can't do jack about it. If you want to burn it, I can't say you must not do it because I invested so much work into it, you can't just burn it! I sold it to you. I surrendered every right to it to you.

      Why the fuck should this be different with things like iPods and XBoxes? Because they're sold at a loss because its maker thinks they'll recover the loss with the add on gizmos? Then sell it for a profit! It's not my fault that your business model is flawed!

      Protecting a flawed business model with laws is pretty much what kept communism afloat so long.

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    13. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Jobs wants to pay your taxes for you?

    14. Re:Who really cares, though? by ZDRuX · · Score: 2
      Let me quote the actual article so you don't think I'm being paranoid (even though I am about stuff like this):

      In some embodiments of Apple's "invention," this information "can be gathered every time the electronic device is turned on, unlocked, or used." When an "unauthorized use" is detected, Apple can contact a "responsible party." A "responsible party" may be the device's owner, it may also be "proper authorities or the police."

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    15. Re:Who really cares, though? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "What's the problem?"

      Lack of pics? (runs)

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    16. Re:Who really cares, though? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Lack of pics? (runs)

      Obviously you haven't been to my FaceBook...

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    17. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a person's right to not be secretly recorded, logged, tracked and monitored purely for corporate greed?

      Yah, where is that right written or implied?

    18. Re:Who really cares, though? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Fine but I want to know about it before I buy the product, I don't want them collecting this info by hiding the terms in smallprint and indecipherable legalese. If you have to hide the fact your doing it then you aren't doing it for my benefit.

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    19. Re:Who really cares, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no. ZDRuX is showing how ridiculous authorities make assumptions. One of the spies on the US Government passed every polygraph test, meaning this metric is useless.

    20. Re:Who really cares, though? by arisvega · · Score: 1

      "we see smth fishy, so we call someone who gives a crap"-

      Please, PLEASE tell me that this is not what constitutes the patent- if it is, I think I missed the part where the patent+legal systems of the US went completely mad. Even more so, haven't banks been doing this for years now? (prior 'art' or whatever)

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    21. Re:Who really cares, though? by sysut1 · · Score: 1

      Freedom for the companies to do what they want with *our* devices? Nice obfuscated troll.

    22. Re:Who really cares, though? by azalin · · Score: 1

      If you are allowed to sue the company because the product was no match for ones stupidity (Coffee is hot when spilled over your lap? An oven door is not a stepladder? NT is not useful for controlling air traffic?...), the companies should at least be able to limit it's intended use. X was build for Y. If you use it for Z don't come crying when you get hurt.
      Off course you should still be allowed to do so because it is now yours and not theirs anymore.

    23. Re:Who really cares, though? by trickyD1ck · · Score: 1

      What's so bad about it? I know of at leas one telecom company that already can predict if your device was stolen based on untypical usage patterns. If they detect this, they either call you to check if everything is ok, or block the SIM card automatically.

    24. Re:Who really cares, though? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I don't question that the company should be able to limit its liability if I use something in a way it was never intended to be used. If I use that chair as a makeshift ladder and it collapses underneath me, I am in no position to sue them. The chair was meant to be a chair. Not a ladder.

      A company should definitely be allowed to specify an intended use and if you choose to use it for something else, you're on your own. Fair game. What I refuse to accept is that I must not USE it in that way, even if I choose to take responsibility for it.

      And of course a company has the right to refuse me additional services or even warranty if I tamper with the device they sold me, no questions about that. If I'm too stupid to solder a chip into a console, or if I take it apart because it contains something I want to use in a different way, I cannot hold them responsible for my actions. I chose to use the item I bought in a way not intended by its maker and I have no right to expect it to do anything but what it claims it can do.

      But I expect to have the right to DO THAT with an item I bought. I expect to have the right to take that XBox apart and use the parts in the way I see fit. I expect to be allowed to break open an iPod and use it the way I see fit. Of course Apple can refuse to do business with me through their iStore, because they only want to deal with iPods that have not been altered. Ok. No question about that. They have the right to choose the terms they want to do business on. I may also not expect future firmware upgrades from Apple to work on my iPod, but I reserve the right to install my own firmware if I so please!

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  3. Traitorware (TM), Pat. Pending by PatPending · · Score: 1

    Traitorware (TM), Pat. Pending. Pay up sucker! FTW!

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  4. Paranoia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Right, but most of the conspiracy dudes I met were just trying to ease their own lifes over the paranoia they spread.

    1. Re:Paranoia by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      East Germany gave one good example. A a sixteen year old girl printed protest leaflets in 1968 about the demolition of a church using a toy rail stamp like printer.
      The East German gov flooded the area with agents as the fingerprints where not on file and someone had a printer and was using it.
      Her husband "hung" himself in prison in 1980 ... The toy was also removed from shops.
      http://www.laurahird.com/newreview/stasiland.html
      The paranoia of a gov facing an unknown protester was very real :)
      If your wondering where the stasi people ended up, the US did offer a lot of cash for their best and brightest.

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    2. Re:Paranoia by trickyD1ck · · Score: 1

      Printer is just a tool, Stasi is the problem.

  5. Traitorware? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Don't you think that Betrayalware would be a better term? Anyway, I feel safer already.

    To protect yourself, put some tape over the camera and microphone and leave the phone at home.

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    1. Re:Traitorware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leaving the phone home would be 'proof' of wrong doing ... (at checkpoint: Citizen, where is your phone?)

    2. Re:Traitorware? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Don't you think that Betrayalware would be a better term?

      What exactly do you think a traitor is?

      I'll help you out with the actual definition:

      # someone who betrays his country by committing treason
      # double-crosser: a person who says one thing and does another

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    3. Re:Traitorware? by postbigbang · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Let's also change "suicide bomber" to "bomb murderer".

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    4. Re:Traitorware? by ocdscouter · · Score: 1

      Let's also change "suicide bomber" to "bomb murderer".

      That'll just rile up everyone whose superhero identity is Captain Semantics.

    5. Re:Traitorware? by countertrolling · · Score: 0

      If you ever want to work on Madison Ave, you'll have to do better than that. I believe the word you want is homicide bomber... As seen on TV. It's got a nice catchy ring to it.

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    6. Re:Traitorware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's also change "suicide bomber" to "bomb murderer".

      No, let's call them "homicide bombers". That way people will think about how homicide is a crime that can be committed over and over again and be properly afraid.

    7. Re:Traitorware? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 1

      We call them creepers.

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  6. Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by theodp · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes but this guys FAILED because he didn't even TRY to remove the "meta data". As with MS Work files, Open Office saves who and when for a file. This is "common" knowledge, "my grandmother knows this".

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    2. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Omnifarious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I didn't know that Open Office did this. It's not common knowledge.

    3. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I didn't know that Open Office did this. It's not common knowledge.

      Perhaps you live in a CAVE? Virtually *all* "office" type applications save meta data about who/what/when. If you didn't know this, you where not paying much (any) attention. It *IS* common knowledge.

    4. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by djpeebz · · Score: 1

      That's why you should always write your anonymous press releases, ransom demands, revoluonary tracts, etc. in LaTeX.

    5. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by twocows · · Score: 1

      Additionally, if you check the comments of the /. posting of that article you'll notice that a lot of people mentioned that his name is a common insult in neighboring countries. It may have just been a coincidence that he held that name.

    6. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by antonymous · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a matter of being "well-intentioned" software. One nice feature to add to publishing software would be a "redact metadata" option for publishers. Also, the type of metadata in this case is laughably easy to spoof and cannot be relied upon - why wouldn't I register my desktop publishing software with the name of an enemy?

    7. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      MS had a wonderful bug that would stuff random dumps of your hard drives data into their files.
      http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q139432/
      "documents created in these programs may contain extraneous data from previously deleted files. This extraneous data is not visible within the document and does not affect your ability to use these programs normally. However, it is possible that legible portions of previously deleted files may be viewable if you examine these document files using Notepad or file-utility software. "
      ie "[Word] ignores the logical end of file and includes the entire contents of the final disk sector in the file."

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    8. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by antdude · · Score: 1

      Neither did I. I thought only MS Office had it.

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    9. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      It is. I learned it by exploring the interface of MS Word. So it is kind of obvious that Ood files would behave the same.

      I mean, of course it is not common knowledge by the average user but it is know by the average geeky user who sets things up for their boss/family.

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    10. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      I tend to not use office productivity software at all. I find it annoying, and it gets in the way of the kind of control I like to have over the structure of my document. I tend to just hand it to people I set things up for and say "Well, if you really want to use a word processor, I've been told this works.".

      In fact, I find myself popping open the XML editor in inkscape reasonably often when I'm trying to make visual art. It's easier for me to see the world in terms of its underlying structure than its appearance.

    11. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      You have a very amusing set of assumptions there.

    12. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      MS Office has a feature to nuke the metadata with a single click.

      Go figure.

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    13. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Machtyn · · Score: 1

      It might be common knowledge among techs. But freedom writers may not know this as they may not be technically adept. Though, at this point, I imagine a lot of them got a pretty good wake up call from this snafu by "Anonymous".

      (I'll leave it up to the reader to determine whether they view my term of "freedom writer" as an anarchist or liberating term.)

    14. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by yusing · · Score: 1

      I can understand how many people might not know about such things. Those of us who back farther than early 'word processors' are more familiar with text files.

      Many/most files created by 'word processor' and spreadsheet programs can be opened by any decent text editor. Once you've typed in a paragraph or two, save the file and have a look at it with something like TextWrangler (Mac) or Notepad++ (Windows). Much of the file may be unreadable, but very often identifying information can be found 'in the clear' somewhere.

      I first discovered this when exploring the output of early versions of MS Word about 15 years ago. It's a good idea to have a look inside any file that you plan to distribute to the 'outside world' because of such 'helpful' inclusions.

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    15. Re:Open Office Gave Up "Anonymous" Alex Tapanaris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be common knowledge among techs. But freedom writers may not know this as they may not be technically adept.

      It's probably more common knowledge among the primary consumers of the feature in question: non-technical people who use a lot of the large-company-oriented features of office software suites. Embedding authorship info is a very natural feature for office software designed to help large numbers of people collaborate. In fact, the functionality can actually go quite a bit beyond just recording who authored the file. MS Word, for example, can be told to track changes, meaning it remembers who did what to every part of the file.

      If that sounds scary or evil, picture this scenario: you've been handed responsibility for updating a Word doc which gets published in PDF form as a specification to customers. While reviewing it, you notice Requirement 102314a refers to "widgets" when the rest of the doc refers to "gadgets". If you're in that sort of situation, it's enormously helpful if the word processor remembers not just who authored the document but who made which changes when; you can just go and ask whoever made that change. Think of it as built-in version history for people who have no idea how to do version control.

      I don't know if the stuff in OpenOffice goes as far as that, but it wouldn't surprise me since OO seems to have feature parity with MS Office as a major goal, and change tracking is definitely an important feature for lots of large organizations.

  7. Xerox et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your printer may be incorporating a secret code on every page it prints which could be used to identify the printer and potentially the person who used it

    This is typically done by commercial colour laser printers,such as those made by Xerox, Konika Minolta, Ricoh, and so on. The code's printed in yellow toner - which isn't normally noticeable but becomes infuriatingly visible if you use these machines to print light coloured backgrounds - for example, a business card with a silver/light grey background tone. I don't know about Konika and Ricoh, but with the Xerox machines the code can lead right back to you pretty easily.

    That said, the Xerox machines do some other interesting things as well - for example, they'll refuse to copy UK banknotes from the glass (presumably they identify the UV markers in the notes? amongst others. I assume this is either to reduce their liability if their machines were used that way, or due to a legal statute in one of their markets? Either way, interesting behaviour.

    1. Re:Xerox et al. by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That said, the Xerox machines do some other interesting things as well - for example, they'll refuse to copy UK banknotes from the glass (presumably they identify the UV markers in the notes?

      More likely, they look for EURion constellations.

    2. Re:Xerox et al. by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      I assume this is either to reduce their liability if their machines were used that way, or due to a legal statute in one of their markets?

      The way I heard it, they had been threatened with regulations and statutes if they didn't voluntarily do these things.

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    3. Re:Xerox et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The code's printed in yellow toner - which isn't normally noticeable but becomes infuriatingly visible if you use these machines to print light coloured backgrounds - for example, a business card with a silver/light grey background tone.

      ...isn't getting back to you the whole point of a business card?

      Please use that brain of yours. The business card was an example. The point is that the printer doesn't have a "this isn't a business card so turn off this feature" switch.

    4. Re:Xerox et al. by GrBear · · Score: 3, Informative

      That said, the Xerox machines do some other interesting things as well - for example, they'll refuse to copy UK banknotes from the glass

      Just a step up from that, Konica-Minolta copiers will sense if you try to scan, copy or print a banknote. When it detects this, it will put the copier into a service lockdown that only a Konica-Minolta tech can unlock. The displayed error code will rat you out, AND the tech is legally obligated to inform law enforcement of the infraction.

      That and yes, it definitely marks each page with a serial number linking it back to the copier.

      Both were related to me by a Minolta tech.

    5. Re:Xerox et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the modern copiers make a "scan" of your document being copied/printed. The scanned image can be easily stored and/or transported to back to an unknown "mothership."

    6. Re:Xerox et al. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the software industry truly disgusts me.

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    7. Re:Xerox et al. by plover · · Score: 1

      Why? It's not like you can't get around these things. You want to print up banknotes? Use GIMP instead of Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro. As far as I know, GIMP doesn't even have a plug-in to detect the EURion constellation.

      What these things do is hopefully stop the casual bad guys. The guy who thinks "I'll just copy my buddy's $20 so I can eat lunch today", or "I'll tip the cute waitress with phony $20 bills, maybe she'll come on to me." If the copier or the software pops up a screen and says "don't do that, it's illegal", why is it disgusting that a crime was averted?

      I'd much rather have the software stop someone *before* they pass a phony bill, instead of after. A copy machine spitting out an unpassable smeary-looking $20 means nobody will commit a crime with it. Catching someone AFTER having printed and passed the bills means that the dumbass who thought he pulled a fast one on the waitress gets himself a 5 year sentence for counterfeiting, and I get to spend $50,000 a year keeping his dumb ass in jail.

      TFA is all about traitorware. Stopping the bills from being copied isn't the issue. It's the printers with the yellow serial number dots that are the problem. They let you print the phony money, subversive tracts, or leaked cables, but provide a traceable means to identify who did the printing. That's what's disgusting.

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  8. There's yer problem: by DWMorse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    without your explicit consent

    Yup, there's the real issue. They can bury a one-sentence fragment within 52 pages of EULA that gives them "explicit consent." Someone will notice, it'll get a story posted on Slashdot, but still, only maybe one or two out of every several thousand will resist purchasing the next iPhone 5GSXT Pro-Air.

    The root of the issue is the backtalk and walls of text used to placate users into 'agreeing' without understanding what rights they're sundering.

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    1. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That;s why I'm starting a movement to abandon all this technology.

      Yours,

      Ned Ludd IX.

    2. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, 52-page contracts? Or just lawyers.

    3. Re:There's yer problem: by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      That, and your choices are to consent to give up the data, or not use the device at all. You can't just turn off the tracking.

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    4. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then thats not "explicit consent" is it? Even if it gets posted on Slashdot, digg, hell it could even be reported on CNN, the New York Times, Fox News, Al Jazeera, and agreeing to the EULA still wouldn't be "explicit consent".

    5. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Simple* consumer protection legislation could stop all future devices in their wake.

      Will it happen? Not a chance in hell. Well, not until a complete open hardware/software environment at the consumer grade level exists.

      Like most things these days, it's either legislated protection, or engineered protection.

    6. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They worded it pretty badly, but I think the EFF's general idea is that it should not be considered acceptable for a device to either colelct data or (crucially) make it available to someone else without the device owner being aware of and understanding what the device is doing.

      Further, I reckon they find it abhorrent that we could live in a society where people know and understand these points and still consent to them.

    7. Re:There's yer problem: by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Actually, the real problem is that these changes tend to be made in lock step with similar changes in other companies. At this point contracts have gotten to the point where you really shouldn't assume consent just because they've been agreed to.

      Unfortunately, the legal system still relies on the antiquated notion that people have a choice unless they're under duress. The problem is that if you don't agree to the terms of service for a bank, you're locked out of a lot of things. Probably won't be able to rent an apartment, won't be able to borrow money for a car or home loan and might not be able to get a job.

    8. Re:There's yer problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly what Google does. But ignorant people don't understand what is meant to happen*, and really believe that their actions go far enough. They never ever do. And now we have to deal with google shills defending something they don't understand.

      *only the best user interface people will know, who take into account everything

    9. Re:There's yer problem: by sorak · · Score: 1

      The root of the issue is the backtalk and walls of text used to placate users into 'agreeing' without understanding what rights they're sundering.

      That and the one-sidedness of the deal. If two people were sitting at a table negotiating a business deal and one of them said:

      You can use my product, but I get to dictate how, and I get to rewrite this contract whenever I want, and, if you want to know the new terms, you need to check my website every day, and also, my product may not work. It may damage your equipment. It may yell racial slurs at your co-workers. Who knows? We can't find every bug, and we don't promise to fix it if you find one that we didn't.

      Well, 9 out of 10 times. the other guy would walk out before the second sentence. But the "we dictate our terms to you" age has desensitized us to unreasonable terms.

  9. Oooooh by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your heart rate is elevated or you're palms are sweating, and you're close to an airport/school/gov office building/whatever, you might be planning an attack, why not just be on the safe side and have you come down with the nice men in black down to the local station for questioning?

    Turn yourself in, before your own personal (not private) polygraph does!

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  10. Re:keep up by ThePromenader · · Score: 2, Funny

    EFFing A!

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  11. The real issue is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not that our devices embed information; but how that information is used. For example, having a geo location and serial number on every picture can aid in searching for images as well automating workflow (based on specific sensor characteristics). For me, that is good. Sending that info to the "mothership"" (sic), without my knowledge or permission, is bad because they have no reason to need that data; other than to sell it or use it for marketing.

    I'd like to see companies that collect date require a more informed consent than burying it in a 50 page TOS agreement; and perhaps notification the first time teh data is sent.

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    1. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are missing one important point... If there is no information being gathers then there is no data to abuse!

    2. Re:The real issue is by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sending that info to the "mothership"" (sic), without my knowledge or permission, is bad because they have no reason to need that data; other than to sell it or use it for marketing.

      What are you talking about? When you installed the software you clearly indicated that you had read and understood the terms and conditions, which clearly stated that your camera software would be sending information stored in each image the camera records back to the camera company.

      That little check box is legally binding. Some specific parts of some ridiculous EULAs are not legally binding, but on the whole they are legitimate. You gave them permission to do this, I don't see why you are upset about it.

      If you actually care about your privacy, you should actually read the Terms and Conditions, in which they actually tell you what they are actually going to do with your private data. If there is something in there you don't agree with, don't check the box, and don't install the software. Either find some other way to use the device, or simply return the device.

      It annoys me to no end when people complain about the evil things companies are doing with their private information, yet are too lazy to read what a company is specifically telling you what they want to do with your private data, and is asking for your permission to do so.

      I personally don't like what companies do with my private information, but I don't care about it enough to not use the software. This is clearly also true of 99% (or more) of the people here. If you really care about this shit, when a company asks for your permission, simply tell them "no thank you".

      I can't see how you can call it traitorware when they told you up front exactly what they were going to do with your data. Traitors don't tell you before hand that they are going to betray you. It's frankly not the software company's fault* that you don't seem to care what they plan to do with your data.

      *Note that the Sony rootkit was illegal. That shit should never fly. Most anything short of that is fair game, though, if you are stupid enough to agree to it.

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    3. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It annoys me to no end when people complain about the evil things companies are doing with their private information, yet are too lazy to read what a company is specifically telling you what they want to do with your private data, and is asking for your permission to do so.

      Have you read and understood every part of every EULA you've ever agreed to? You almost have to be a lawyer to understand them usually.

      Also, saying "we gather some information for marketing that we share with our partners" does NOT tell you specifically or otherwise what information they are collecting or when, how often and why and it tells you nothing about how they intend to use the information or for how long.

    4. Re:The real issue is by Spatial · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That would be true in an idealised fantasy world where everyone had infinite time, were lawyers, and were aware of the potential problems with EULAs. Back here on Earth...

      EULAs aren't upfront. Nobody reads them and nobody expects them to be read. People couldn't understand them if they tried. They're created with that fact in mind:

      EULAs aren't specific. They are to a lawyer, but for the people reading them the text is incomprehensible obfuscated gibberish. Clearly they don't give a shit about agreement since it's physically impossible for most people to agree:

      Consent requires comprehension. Perhaps you've heard of statuatory rape, a law that employs this principle. Contracts are also supposed to require mutual understanding because the entire concept is logically incoherant otherwise.

      But of course that wouldn't be convenient in consumer electronics. So it's ignored, leaving us with a nonsensical system that bears no relevance to reality whatsoever. We pretend to agree and they pretend we agreed. And everyone knows it's bullshit.

      Except for the law of course. "Legally binding" loses meaning as a defence when the law itself loses relevance. A law which completely fails to take into account how society operates is a law that should not exist.

      Therefore, EULAs are hokum, people are dumbasses, companies are shitheads and the law is morally wrong. Merry Christmas!

       

    5. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let's see:

      (1) I (and some others) actually bother to exert pressure on companies to act in a sensible way, by financially supporting ones that do and not supporting the evil ones.

      (2) Everyone else doesn't appear to care and actively supports terms like "we can change this contract at any time in any way and you just have to suck it up coz we said so, and oh by the way you don't own this thing, you're just licensing it and we can sell all your data to anyone we want!"

      And from this you conclude that *I* am the jackass?

    6. Re:The real issue is by TheReaperD · · Score: 2

      "Either find some other way to use the device, or simply return the device."

      There's a big, big hole in your theory. "Either find some other way to use the device" now often violates either the DMCA, patents or the companies last resort, the EULA. As far as returning the device, most of this applies to software which is pretty universally non-refundable. So the company gets your money whether you use the product or not. They're even successfully attacking the first sale doctrine so you can't even eBay it if you decide that you don't want to use it due to the EULA. As far as other electronic devices, return policies are getting less and less friendly. Most stores have restricted return periods on electronics and rules for return, some absurd, that don't apply to any other products in the store, even the more expensive ones (so it's not about cost).

      What's worse is that we're being forced into these technologies and EULA's regardless of whether we want them or not. Want a phone, cell or landline? Sign this agreement that you sign away your right to sue for grievances. Want health insurance, same thing. Want a TV? They only support encrypted connections now. Any attempt to alter the data (for multiple screens or any other purpose) is a DMCA violation. Plus they will only play on certified equipment that has paid for the "privilege" of using the HDCP software artificially inflating prices. Don't even get me started on Apple, Microsoft and Oracle. So unless you want to go off the grid and become a modern hobo, your only choice is to accept these ridiculous terms.

      So I'm sorry but, I cannot support or agree with your argument in any way,

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    7. Re:The real issue is by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Sending that info to the "mothership"" (sic), without my knowledge or permission, is bad because they have no reason to need that data; other than to sell it or use it for marketing.

      What are you talking about? When you installed the software you clearly indicated that you had read and understood the terms and conditions, which clearly stated that your camera software would be sending information stored in each image the camera records back to the camera company.

      That little check box is legally binding. Some specific parts of some ridiculous EULAs are not legally binding, but on the whole they are legitimate. You gave them permission to do this, I don't see why you are upset about it.

      If you actually care about your privacy, you should actually read the Terms and Conditions, in which they actually tell you what they are actually going to do with your private data. If there is something in there you don't agree with, don't check the box, and don't install the software. Either find some other way to use the device, or simply return the device.

      Well, if you had read all may post you might understand what I am talking about. I never said anything about the validity of an EULA, or that I am upset about what is in them. I do think they could be more clear, and think that you should have a legal right to opt out regardless of what is in a EULA. BTW, I do read them and have not bought some products as a result. I also think that if you cannot read the EULA before purchase (and having it on a website would not be sufficient) companies should be required to refund the purchase price if you decline; even if the software package has been opened.

      Of course, none of that will come about until some politician gets Borked and sees a career end because of it; then the others will decided that some information needs to be kept private. It will happen, and then it will get interesting.

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    8. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed

    9. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would make an interesting browser feature or plugin- when you get to an "I agree" box, it comes up with the interesting parts of the EULA summarized into bullet points within a popup.

    10. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QFTMFT.

      FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT. I was beginning to think nobody had a brain.

    11. Re:The real issue is by he-sk · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but clauses in a contract that which create a duty and/or burden on the customer which is generally unknown and/or has nothing to do with the normal performance of the contract are null and void.* It doesn't matter if they are hard to find, they could be printed in 48pt bold text right on the frontpage and it wouldn't matter.

      I assume that sending your private info over to the man every time you shot a picture falls under that broad category.

      *In the jurisdiction I live in. The Free Market Utopia a.k.a. USA most likely has different laws.

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    12. Re:The real issue is by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Sending that info to the "mothership"" (sic), without my knowledge or permission, is bad because they have no reason to need that data; other than to sell it or use it for marketing.

      Sorry for being a stickler, but I think it's not bad because they have no good reason for that data, I think it's bad because 1. They don't make it obvious and 2. It's not theirs.

      If they were somehow compiling data to fight cancer or find missing children, that would be a good reason to take data, and I would maybe willingly opt into that, but if they did it without my consent (and by that I mean real consent, as you say, not a TOS) then the ends do not justify the means, it's still theft.

    13. Re:The real issue is by Duncan+J+Murray · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. In medicine, if the patient can't understand the risks and benefits of what you putting them through, they cannot consent to it. If only software, parking regulations, legally binding agreements etc etc took the same attitude, those of us who cannot afford to pay a lawyer to read everything before we sign it, will be able to not be caught by these people.

    14. Re:The real issue is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And from this you conclude that *I* am the jackass?

      Yes! Not based on your intentions and what you do, but the way you do it and the way you talk.

      Thus, you may not intend to be a jackass, but you appear to be one, and that's what counts, I'm afraid.

      Perhaps you're just unaware? Then you can change. Up to you.

  12. A list of such products by Bromskloss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is there a list of this kind of products? When I buy a camera or a printer I'd like to know which ones hide serial numbers or the like in the images they produce. EFF should maintain such a list, I think.

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    1. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essentially all of them.
      You want the shorter list of which ones DO NOT hide serial numbers.
      You can assume that purchasing anything from those lists immediately puts you on a DHS watch list.

    2. Re:A list of such products by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For cameras, it's virtually every single modern one that supports EXIF. Printers, I don't know much about. I imagine that Google does, however.

      I like the fact that the EXIF data has the camera serial number. Over the years, I've used a number of different cameras. Even multiple versions of the same model. It's nice to have that information in the database. Giving it to anyone else is another issue entirely. But here again, the onus is on the individual to know how to deal with one's complex modern objects. For EXIF data, it's easy to strip entirely or individually.

      What EFF needs to do is to bring this issue up to a level where 'normal' people at least understand the problems. It would be nice if manufacturers would give us the tools to control the flow of data better, but until the drum starts to beat louder, they have little incentive to do so.

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    3. Re:A list of such products by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Digital Cameras put this stuff in the exif data structures.

      Add a GPS device to your DSLR and it goes in too.

      Many Serious (both Pro & Amatuer) Snappers find this information really useful. Match the GPS up with Google Maps and locating where you took a particular shot is simple.
      You can easily get rid of the data in the images you publish.
      In fact this is useful to help you prove your copyright of the image.

      So not all 'Traitorware' is bad to all people. There is a thriving marked for GPS Addons' to high end DSLR's.

      Things like the Laser Printer data is IMHO worse that useless. Just but yourself a $50 inkjet, print the offending pages and junk it. After all, the replacment inks will often cost more than a new printer....

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    4. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, did you forget the sarcasm tag?

    5. Re:A list of such products by click2005 · · Score: 2

      They have an incomplete list of printers. It is obviously hard to collect this information as I'm sure most companies aren't too eager to help. I would also imagine an updated firmware could add this 'feature' to a previously non-tracking printer.
      It surprises me that the US secret service didnt ask MS to add this as standard to the windows printer code on higher quality prints (or even if certain watermarks/EURion codes are found..

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    6. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Note that you can easily remove the exif data using jpegtran.

      (1) sudo apt-get install jpegtran
      (2) jpegtran -copy none whatever.jpg

      QED. It's trivial to do it in batch mode across a million pictures if you want.

    7. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact this is useful to help you prove your copyright of the image.

      No, it doesn't. Or else, anyone could modify the EXIF data of any image, and say they owned it. EXIF is not proof of ownership by any means.

    8. Re:A list of such products by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Since any list is likely to be incomplete, a list of products similar to those on the first list that can definitely be used without involuntarily providing extra information might also be helpful.

    9. Re:A list of such products by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's too late to say mod up. You're already insightful. I would flat out reject buying a camera that didn't include all the metadata. Furthermore when purchasing a second hand camera the metadata can in many models actually help the purchasing decision by inserting things like the number of shutter actuation the camera has experienced (for the non-photography gurus out there, it's like the odometer of a car, camera shutters have a limited lifespan).

      Add to that the fact that some cameras actively advertise embedding GPS metadata as a feature that you pay a premium for and you'll think that the EFF have gone off the bloody rails this Christmas.

    10. Re:A list of such products by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      If you don't trust your own printer, you can try looking for them yourself.

    11. Re:A list of such products by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1
      A late comment halfway down the page [page 1]:

      not true the fbi created the method... i fix copiers. no color copier is allowed to be sold in the usa without this dot pattern encoded in the image it is created in the print engine not from the image process even when the machine is internaly calibrating itself these dots are formed and visable on the transfer belt the only information encoded in the dots is model numbers and time and date that way if a faudulent document is found it can be traced back to the source ...one day the fbi showed up and took an entire machine as evidence when some funny money showed up...BTW most high end color copiers can detect money being prited on them and will actually code to the point where your local rep cant fix it and a rep from the manufacturer has to come in and reset it ...that how deep the rabbit hole goes my friend for the manufacture i represent there are only 4 people in the usa that can reset that code

    12. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could use OpenStreetMap.org instead of The Big G's. You can actually contribute to this one instead of G humping your personal information.

    13. Re:A list of such products by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      What EFF needs to do is to bring this issue up to a level where 'normal' people at least understand the problems.

      For the EFF to do that, there first needs to be a problem in the first place. As you point out, this data is actually quite useful (for EXIF). In the case of printers, it's also a non problem as far as I can see. (Though I'm certain that Slashdot's resident tinfoil hat brigade will be along in a moment with their far fetched scenarios 'proving' me wrong.)
       
      What I see here is the EFF creating a panic out of thin air, largely to the produce publicity for itself.

    14. Re:A list of such products by petman · · Score: 1

      Note that you can easily remove the exif data using jpegtran.

      (1) sudo apt-get install jpegtran
      (2) jpegtran -copy none whatever.jpg

      QED. It's trivial to do it in batch mode across a million pictures if you want.

      Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
      (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

      C:\>sudo apt-get install jpegtran
      'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
      operable program or batch file.

      C:\>jpegtran -copy none whatever.jpg
      'jpegtran' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
      operable program or batch file.

    15. Re:A list of such products by lavagolemking · · Score: 1

      List of printers: https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

      I don't know about cameras, but somebody else who replied posted something that looks promising.

    16. Re:A list of such products by couchslug · · Score: 1

      You can edit EXIF data too, which opens up some interesting possibilities...

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    17. Re:A list of such products by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest using irfanview and doing a batch process on all your images to remove exif data then.

    18. Re:A list of such products by mattr · · Score: 1

      I have found an interesting program called exiftool), a great command line tool for linux, mac osx and windows (there is apparently a windows gui too).

      Yes, the latest professional cameras do indeed embed a lot of information including the photographer's name, multiple lens and body serial numbers, etc. This does not change the file name or creation date in the file system. Also the metadata I saw includes F-stop, exposure, etc. Perhaps if it had a sat chip there would be geographic coordinates on it. So the only way to be sure is to just erase all metadata not just a few tags.

      It is important to understand that there is a lot (several pages) of metadata, some of which may be in binary format, which may not all be shown by the kinds of programs used by consumers ordinarily. Of course you can stare at the output of "strings" until you are blue in the face but ultimately you have to trust some tool that it has found all the metadata.

      So far exiftool is what I trust but I know this is a best effort kind of thing. It seems that different manufacturers include different information, and the amount is far beyond what is needed to display an image. If the embedded data gets steganographed or otherwise hidden in the file it won't be easily found since people will not know it is there.

      I started looking at these programs because a photographer asked me to sell his photos and was uncomfortable about personal data being left in files being handed to other people he didn't know. Not so unusual I would imagine.

      Perhaps these cameras provide this data for the photographer's own records. But I think manufacturers should definitely include a template (a list of tags or byte offsets, not just "delete all") for an open tool like exiftool, which they guarantee, as part of their contract with the purchaser, will delete all metadata or embedded data. Then they are legally required to specify all tags. Otherwise I don't see how you can be sure you have anonymized your photos.

      Speaking as someone who has worked with photojournalists I can assure you that such is to be desired. Perhaps it could be said that unless this comes to pass, no modern journalist can be said to be shielded from potential witch hunts, once his or her digital media is released to the Internet.

    19. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a list of this kind of products? When I buy a camera or a printer I'd like to know which ones hide serial numbers or the like in the images they produce. EFF should maintain such a list, I think.

      list of printers that rat you out from the EFF:

      http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/printers/list.php

    20. Re:A list of such products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily get rid of the data in the images you publish.

      Indeed. Using e.g. jhead, it's as simple as saying jhead -purejpg *.jpg, or even find . -name \*.jpg -print0 | xargs -0 jhead -purejpg or so.

    21. Re:A list of such products by RDW · · Score: 1

      'I like the fact that the EXIF data has the camera serial number. Over the years, I've used a number of different cameras. Even multiple versions of the same model. It's nice to have that information in the database. Giving it to anyone else is another issue entirely.'

      Yes, distribution is the issue. I use Nikon dSLRs, where the embedded serial number has a couple of interesting consequences:

      First, the serial number is used as one of the keys used by recent cameras to encrypt Nikon's 'MakerNote' metadata (the other keys are the 'shutter count' and Nikon's secret key, which has fortunately been cracked and is available in the dcraw and ExifTool source). The MakerNote holds some useful pieces of data, including the 'as shot' white balance value required for 'correct' processing of Nikon's NEF raw files (Adobe made a lot of fuss about this until Nikon gave them a decryption 'mini-SDK' that could be incorporated into Photoshop). If the serial number has been stripped from the NEF, the MakerNote can no longer be decoded. You can't therefore distribute a fully-functional NEF without leaving in the serial number.

      Second, anyone with access to one of your files containing the serial number can, e.g., use it to register on Nikon's support site (possibly preventing you doing so later), or even make a malicious fake report that a camera bearing that serial number has been stolen.

      'But here again, the onus is on the individual to know how to deal with one's complex modern objects. For EXIF data, it's easy to strip entirely or individually.'

      I think a lot of people won't realise the serial number is embedded at all (I can't see it using Nikon's own View NX software, only with 3rd party software like ExifTool), and if they do, it may not be obvious how to get rid of it, or the possible problems that doing so may cause.

    22. Re:A list of such products by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It is important to understand that there is a lot (several pages) of metadata, some of which may be in binary format, which may not all be shown by the kinds of programs used by consumers ordinarily. Of course you can stare at the output of "strings" until you are blue in the face but ultimately you have to trust some tool that it has found all the metadata.

      So far exiftool is what I trust but I know this is a best effort kind of thing. It seems that different manufacturers include different information, and the amount is far beyond what is needed to display an image. If the embedded data gets steganographed or otherwise hidden in the file it won't be easily found since people will not know it is there.

      Just to be complete - the JPEG and TIFF file structure is well known. If you were really paranoid and wanted to make sure all the metadata was scrubbed, you could fire up your favorite hex editor and look carefully at the data itself to make sure that nothing is where it ought not to be.

      The only thing you would not see is embedded data, (Stenographic) which I haven't seen nor heard of any camera doing. Of course, this can be done post processing, but that's another discussion. So if you are paranoid and diligent, you can really figure it out.

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    23. Re:A list of such products by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      For cameras, it's virtually every single modern one that supports EXIF.

      Oh, but EXIF data isn't so much of a problem. What I want to know is which devices hide information in some secret way.

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  13. Et Tu, GPS? by theodp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How Much Information Does Your GPS Store About Where You Have Been? So, is Max Speed on your GPS a bug or a feature?

  14. but with ATT low download cap will apple force tha by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but with ATT low download cap / high data costs $10 a GIG will apple force that?

    what about over seas up to $100 or more in data fees per location?

  15. Hanlon's by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dont attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. Sometimes a software can be well intentioned, see a place where a lot of maybe useful information could be place and no look further on that, putting that in. Sometimes in some context that added information could be useful and intended, sometimes not, and you have not enough flexibility to decide by yourself when enable or disable that action.

    Could the smtp protocol (and so every software that implements it) be considered traitorware? If you want to send an anonymous message it adds from which IP was sent, how different would be that from cameras that automatically adds gps coordinates in photos?

    In the last term, a line between malice in this and what is not should be drawn, and will be very broad with a lot of things in the gray area, but would be good to have a list of what cleary is in the wrong side of it. And if well couldnt call traitorware all that is in the field of what sends somehow away information that could hurt your privacy, awareness of what they send and what exactly implies in that topic to use them, sometimes even in the manuals they warn which private information could be disclosed, well, that it be even the ones that don't disclose that.

    1. Re:Hanlon's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity

      Where corporate entities are involved, sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

    2. Re:Hanlon's by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dont attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      We put up with far too much of both. I see no reason not to treat both as malice.

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    3. Re:Hanlon's by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Given that GPS co-ordinates in photos is a value added feature in cameras which you often pay a premium for (my Geotagger cost $250 for my camera), how can that example be considered either malice or stupidity?

      It's like the facebook issue. It doesn't matter how private the data is. What matters is how you share the data. Every other image editor has the checkbox that will allow you to strip metadata when saving the image, just like you don't need to upload that photo of you and a hooker onto Facebook, nor need to add your boss to it so he can see.

      People should be educated on metadata, they should be educated on privacy, and finally leave my treacherous devices alone.

    4. Re:Hanlon's by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      When GPS is already included in your camera stops to be something that you must buy intentionally and install on it to be something that you could be aware or not. Take current smartphones, with both camera and gps functionality, that could show or not that they are using geotagging, and that even depend on the app your using are using for taking photos.

      And not just the camera, where you can eventually check the metatags of a photo and see if there is something that you could not like. What about apps that use network? Displaying ads from places around you, or sending away where you are (i.e. when you send a mail, as one extra header that would be nice to have), or just being client of network that could take advantage of that info to give you a somewhat "better" service (facebook, twitter, foursquare are 3 easy candidates)

    5. Re:Hanlon's by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The point I was trying to make is that this isn't treachery, it's a value added feature. It is actively advertised. Some people know nothing about the phones/cameras other than "When I take a picture it remembers where I took it. SWEET."

      My point isn't that endless hidden metadata is bad, it is if the user's unaware of it. But the EFF's war against features that actively benefit users in electronics which are actively advertised and not buried down in some obscure section of the EULA is ridiculous.

      I fully agree on their printer statement though. This is something that ads no value to the user.

    6. Re:Hanlon's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...how different would be that from cameras that automatically adds gps coordinates in photos?...

      As far as I know adding GPS to photos is optional on most cameras. It requires users to add software and/or hardware and in at least some instances there is a subscription cost.

      That said, I noticed Kodak's "Easy Share" feature, where users can add e-mail addresses to quickly share photos they have tagged once the camera is connected to the internet, already has several e-mail addresses in the default file to begin with.

    7. Re:Hanlon's by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      and it is not bad as long as you have control over it.

  16. Digital Photocopiers Loaded With Secrets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  17. Yet life is better by nOw2 · · Score: 1

    I don't care. Life is better with data. I would actually pay for a phone that records my heartbeat and location and communicates it to a trusted 3rd party. You know what, it might save my life.

    1. Re:Yet life is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, but there's the rub. These things aren't allowing you to choose a "trusted 3rd party". They choose where your private data gets communicated to. I doubt an advertising firm or the NSA is going to rush right over to save your life, or even send help, since that won't be what they're monitoring the data for. Still don't think there's a problem?

    2. Re:Yet life is better by causality · · Score: 1

      I don't care. Life is better with data. I would actually pay for a phone that records my heartbeat and location and communicates it to a trusted 3rd party. You know what, it might save my life.

      Yeah, if it's sold to you that way and openly listed as a feature then I'd say buy it if you find it useful.

      The subject of this story is the multitude of devices that record such data without your knowledge and without your consent and secretly send it to third parties you have no reason to trust at all.

      Surely you can understand the difference?

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      It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. - Einstein
    3. Re:Yet life is better by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "I don't care. Life is better with data. I would actually pay for a phone that records my heartbeat and location and communicates it to a trusted 3rd party. You know what, it might save my life."

      Crowdsource that monitoring function to 4chan for redundant backup.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  18. Do we need more words? by Haedrian · · Score: 2

    "EFF will be there to fight it [Traitorware]. We believe that your software and devices should not be a tool for gathering your personal data without your explicit consent.'"

    This sounds a lot like spyware. Why do we need a new word?

    1. Re:Do we need more words? by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      One is hardware, the other is software.

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      Tequila: It's not just for breakfast anymore!
    2. Re:Do we need more words? by Beowulf878 · · Score: 1

      Traitorware is something that you pay for thinking that it has a specified purpose (e.g. printing) - but it betrays you.

      Spyware is something that you didn't have any knowledge of (e.g. 3rd-party cookies on websites)

      I agree that the end outcome isn't so different, but maybe how you get there is important sometimes?

    3. Re:Do we need more words? by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      One is done by perceived legitimate companies, The other by black hat hackers looking to make a buck stealing credit card info.

      Fixed it for you.

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  19. Oh Noes! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Apple's iPhones know where you are when you use the maps and Apple can gather that data and use it to launch missiles at you! Adobe Photoshop can use the GPS data encoded into your photos and send that info to the CIA who will visit those places and scrawl lewd graffiti about your sexuality in all the nearby bathrooms, thus ruining your reputation in the locality and preventing you from being elected to political office!

    This would be a lot more of a story if they actually cited some real misuse of data instead of just making claims about the evils that could hypothetically be committed using data that is otherwise kinda useful for the end user. I mean, seriously, it can collect biometric data for identification and store it if it fails as a way to identify who tried to use a device? How is that not something I want my devices to do to identify thieves and people trying to break the security of my systems? No, I don't want some company collecting biometric info on me and using it to track me for advertising or policing purposes, but unless there's actual evidence of such abuse, well it's not much of a story.

    1. Re:Oh Noes! by zn0k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole point of the EFF is to think about such problems and issues before they become common; hence the 'frontier' in their title. They are trying to alert people to a potential situation so that people can be aware of it and start thinking about the implications, and formulate either consumer strategies or legal frameworks before there is wide spread abuse.

      Your point is still valid in that you yourself may not be interested until there has been abuse, but to ask the EFF not to write about it until that point does not make much sense.

    2. Re:Oh Noes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Your retort sounds eerily similar to the 'if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide' chanters. Or, 'you conspiracy theorists are such nutters'.

      The EFF have identified an issue and provided scenarios of why this may be unwanted. Does the scenario really have to transpire before you see the danger? Does someone have to fall off a cliff before you see the potential danger of the cliff?

      Even if you are so lacking in vision that you cannot see the danger from the described scenario, surely you can draw references from past events. How many times has it already transpired that something such as this was put in place only to have it misused by someone in a position of authority or for marketing purposes? What is the benefit to the consumer of putting the serial number in every picture? Furthermore, if there is a benefit to the consumer, why is that fact hidden rather than advertised as a feature? What's the consumer benefit to printing serial numbers or other identifiers(yellow dots) on every printed page that comes out of a printer? And, if there is a benefit to the consumer, why is that fact hidden rather than advertised as a feature?

      The fact is that these "features" are regularly added to these devices without the knowledge or consent of the consumer. It is also typically the case that these "features" are leveraged against the consumer or to the benefit of government agencies or corporations without the consumer's knowledge. The fact that you lack vision doesn't mean that the problem or, at the very least, the potential of the problem doesn't exist.

    3. Re:Oh Noes! by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Your retort sounds eerily similar to the 'if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide' chanters. Or, 'you conspiracy theorists are such nutters'.

      You'll have to be more specific in your comparison. You see, the first phrase you cite is important because it refers to an argument that sidesteps civil rights, by trying to distract from the issue by trying to point to the number of people most affected will be small, as if that were relevant. As for conspiracy theorists... most are nutters. The reason conspiracy theories are considered dubious in general is because they require multiple disparate people to be secretly conspiring to hide a truth. For example, there are people that believe that all scientists and teachers are conspiring to lie to them about evolution because those people are secretly satanists. That's pretty crazy. Similarly, many theories require all news agencies to be conspiring together or all pilots t be conspiring or some such. It's simply so unlikely, those theories are easily dismissed by most rational people.

      The EFF have identified an issue and provided scenarios of why this may be unwanted.

      They identified an issue, but instead of documenting the real cases of abuse, like listing what hardware/software is hiding data in everything they print, they make up theoretical scenarios about what a company could possibly do in the future if they abuse technology they haven't even implemented yet, without any consideration for motivation. They do this because they want press to draw attention, but they're making a "boy who cried wolf" situation where you read their concerns, see that they're talking about theoretical possibilities and there is no motivation for the average person to do much of anything.

      Even if you are so lacking in vision that you cannot see the danger from the described scenario, surely you can draw references from past events. How many times has it already transpired that something such as this was put in place only to have it misused by someone in a position of authority or for marketing purposes?

      Umm, occasionally, but not very often., certainly not by companies who worry about pissing off their customers.

      Furthermore, if there is a benefit to the consumer, why is that fact hidden rather than advertised as a feature? ? What's the consumer benefit to printing serial numbers or other identifiers(yellow dots) on every printed page that comes out of a printer?

      I don't see that there is much benefit to that, which is why I think the EFF should have concentrated on that issue, instead of going off about GPS coordinates being tagged on photos, when there is consumer benefit and there has not been any instances of abuse recorded... ever that I've seen.

      The fact is that these "features" are regularly added to these devices without the knowledge or consent of the consumer.

      The only feature of this I know of is the printers. Everything else is advertised as a feature. My phone advertises that it can add GPS coordinates to pictures and it asks in the UI if I want to do it. It can be remotely disabled, and it advertises that as a feature, and as far as I know there has never been a reported instances of that feature being abused instead of applied by users to protect their data.

      The fact that you lack vision doesn't mean that the problem or, at the very least, the potential of the problem doesn't exist.

      It's not that I don't see potential for problems, it's just that I don't get upset about just potential. I don't want people warning me about potential problems, I want people letting me know about real problems and helping to draw attention to that. The EFF managed to water down the issue and make it seem like they are just getting hysterical about things that are just their pet theories. I don't get too worked up about biometric features potentially being added to my devices for theft control and potentially being abused, maybe, if they are ever implemented. Its hard to take the hysterics of others over it seriously and it just makes them look like alarmists.

  20. If you want to do something nefarious ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is very hard to commit a crime without leaving some kind of trace. If you use a phone or email or a credit card or you buy bomb making materials somewhere with security video, you will be caught eventually.

    An example of the extremes you have to go to, to get away with serious crime over the long term would be the Unabomber. The FBI worked on his case over many years:

    "This team made every possible forensic examination of recovered components of the explosives and studied the lives of victims in minute detail. These efforts proved of little use in identifying the suspect, who built his bombs essentially from "scrap" materials available almost anywhere."
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski

    Eventually the thing that tripped him up was that his family recognized him because of the way his manifesto was written.

    The lesson is that unless you hide in the back woods and refrain from buying anything at all, you will eventually leave traces. Also, don't write a manifesto ;-)

  21. I like "traitorware" by Tolvor · · Score: 2

    I read the article, and see nothing in the so-called "traitorware" that is objectionable.

    I *like* cameras that incorporates metadata. This protects me from lawsuits and proves that the picture is mine and can be used however I want and as often I want. Because I can prove that the photo is mine through the metadata I have an easy way to defend myself in copyright and infringement lawsuits. For me the metadata is a selling feature and a benefit.

    Printers that include tags on the paper that can be traced back to the person doing the printing I can also understand. People misuse printers to print out pedophilia (you are scum, and hope you are caught), counterfeiting (I like being able to use money, and hope you are caught), and threatening letters (my sister got several, and I hope you are caught). I just can't get that excited about anyone being able to trace what I print back to me. I can't think of a situation where I would care.

    I don't own an IPhone (Droid), but I *like* the idea that it can send my location and heartbeat back to Apple. I'd have liked this on my laptop that had gotten stolen. I'd just call the police, and send Apple the police report. It would make tracking the device actually feasible, and maybe get some of these thieves to be arrested. Cars to some degree have this (called OnStar) and it's a big selling point. I refuse to get concerned about Apple wanting to listen to my heartbeat. Now if they would be so kind to implant the phone, monitor continuously, and notify medical help (and tell them where I am) if the heartbeat becomes arrhythmic and/or stops I would really appreciate that (heart problems is the leading cause of death).

    How is this so-called "traitorware" an issue?

    1. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't own an IPhone (Droid), but I *like* the idea that it can send my location and heartbeat back to Apple. I'd have liked this on my laptop that had gotten stolen. I'd just call the police, and send Apple the police report. It would make tracking the device actually feasible, and maybe get some of these thieves to be arrested.

      Dream on. The police don't care about little things like theft. They have bigger priorities, like arresting pot smokers.

    2. Re:I like "traitorware" by Wovel · · Score: 1

      From reading the comments, you and I are the only ones to RTFA. I believe EFF has leaped off the deep end.

    3. Re:I like "traitorware" by Spatial · · Score: 1

      How is this so-called "traitorware" an issue?

      Remember in university when you learned that argument from lack of imagination was a fallacy?

      Remember in highschool when you learned that there was more than one side to an issue, and that issues generally aren't black and white even when you fully agree?

      Remember in primary school when you learned other people had different preferences and sensibilities, that they didn't like everything you liked?

      Combine them and *bam!*, understanding!

    4. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and i believe that you are an ill-educated sucker (leaped) who will tend to support your favorite corporation (apple) no matter what they do.

      i would expect that traitor-ware is right up your street and it's no surprise to find people like you defending it.

    5. Re:I like "traitorware" by sulfur · · Score: 4, Informative

      I *like* cameras that incorporates metadata. This protects me from lawsuits and proves that the picture is mine and can be used however I want and as often I want.

      Sure, someone who wants to claim ownership of a picture would never be able to insert desired metadata in the file.

      People misuse printers to print out pedophilia ... counterfeiting ... threatening letters ...

      You forgot terrorists. They also use printers.

      Yes, there are legitimate uses for all these traitorware features in software/hardware. The point is that these features should be opt in and disabled by default, so that people who truly want them can enable them.

    6. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't own an IPhone (Droid), but I *like* the idea that it can send my location and heartbeat back to Apple. I'd have liked this on my laptop that had gotten stolen. I'd just call the police, and send Apple the police report. It would make tracking the device actually feasible, and maybe get some of these thieves to be arrested. Cars to some degree have this (called OnStar) and it's a big selling point.

      I'm unsure of the success of Onstar, I think they do return vehicles. But you will never get a laptop or cell phone returned from the company that sold it to you or the police. There just isn't enough ROI in it. They will just tell you to buy another. When the cops do recover it you and your case will have long been forgotten and it will likely end up at an auction.

      Even if you SSH into it, take pictures with the webcam record ip and email addresses and know the location the cops are unlikely to help you. You are still on your own. The high school dropouts that become cops don't know what voodoo you just worked or if it some sort of trap to get them caught in something nasty. If you don't have a badge, you can't be trusted.

      So, why do they have these tracking features again?

    7. Re:I like "traitorware" by DCFusor · · Score: 1
      Yes, parent forgets that if printing were traceable, the English would have found and "offed" our founding fathers and we'd still be a colony of slaves to the empire. I mean, I worry not about pedophiles or counterfeiters -- I'd consider them nice targets for my firing range, but sure, bust them and never let them out.

      But what about other issues? Like the major one the parent didn't imagine? Giving the government the ability to nip any demonstration or movement in the bud, using selective enforcement of trash laws means instant dictatorship. Does parent really believe that those guys wouldn't do that, after already passing us the best laws money stolen from us could buy? Puleeese.

      Doh!

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      Why guess when you can know? Measure!
    8. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, too read the article. The hardware, software, and firmware are all non-objectionable. How the information is used is undefined, and unrestricted, and in my experience it's extremely likely to be misused.

      It's not the wares that are objectionable ("guns don't kill people, people kill people"), it's the fact that Apple wants to take the data without your consent....

    9. Re:I like "traitorware" by selven · · Score: 2

      Because I can prove that the photo is mine through the metadata I have

      Or you're proving that you can edit metadata.

      counterfeiting (I like being able to use money, and hope you are caught)

      Last time I checked off-the-shelf printers can't print out shiny paper and holograms...

      I just can't get that excited about anyone being able to trace what I print back to me. I can't think of a situation where I would care.

      Printing subversive anti-government materials in oppressive regimes? Anonymously organizing a protest, strike, or other mass demonstration? Whistleblowing? (also, this last point applies to camera traitorware as well).

      I don't own an IPhone (Droid), but I *like* the idea that it can send my location and heartbeat back to Apple. I'd have liked this on my laptop that had gotten stolen. I'd just call the police, and send Apple the police report.

      Or, alternatively, how about an app that sends my location back to me? All the security, none of the privacy infringement.

    10. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know how it's an issue? You are insanely dense.
      Case 1: You live in a place like Iran and are unhappy with the government. You want to express your opinion on the internet and not suffer the consequences. Traitorware means you and your family are killed.
      Case 2: You have bought a piece of software/media, your CD gets scratched, you download it again. You are sued, and your identity could have been given away by traitorware.
      Case 3: You are living in a place like the United States, which supposedly has free speech laws, but actually is rather draconian and authoritarian. You speak up about something like Wikileaks or the lie of the 9/11 official story, and you lose your job. Traitorware could have played a role.

    11. Re:I like "traitorware" by Tolvor · · Score: 2

      Sure, someone who wants to claim ownership of a picture would never be able to insert desired metadata in the file.

      Sure, it has been done. Most notably demonstrated here. I only mentioned that the camera metadata protects me in case of a lawsuit.

      There is a stock photography provider called Getty Images that looks for people that have been using their images without approval or payment. To those that infringe they send a RIAA-like letter offering a settlement if a fine is paid. I use a lot of stock photography (mostly through a different but well known and very legitimate site). When possible I use my own puny 6 megapixel camera (and sometimes my 3 megapixel droid) to take stock photos. I always proof that the photos are mine. These photos of mine save me a lot of money.

      Even so I've gotten 1 photo infringement letter from a San Diego law firm informing me of pending action. Even though I knew I was right it was extremely worrisome. I did not want to fight the good fight and win a Pyrrhic victory by going bankrupt in legal fees. I sent full details to the firm about the photo, that it was mine, and that I had the raw camera footage for it (including one that had me in the picture). This was a little before camera metadata but that would have been additional proof to make it easier. Regardless I never heard from that firm again.

      The point is that these features should be opt in and disabled by default

      In a perfect world, yes. However this is not a perfect world so security measures need to be opt-out. All software security measures are opt-out. This includes everything from serial numbers that must be entered so that the software will work to phone-home information that is used by everything from on-line games to the latest version of MSOffice (it must contact MS online every 6 months or it stops working). If this wasn't done the pirates would be disrupting software sales more than they are. Right now pirates are honestly a major nuisance to software developers. If everything was opt-out by default it would be impossible.

      However you never really address my original point - that being that these automatically enabled features are helpful and hardly hurt my freedom to do what I want. In fact those are helpful features.

    12. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't think of a situation where I would care.

      Naturally. Burying your head in the sand means nobody has ever been put up against the wall due to their race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, or a host of trivial nonsensical reasons.

      Nobody has ever had insurance claims denied, for that matter - hope that heart monitor works out for you.

      Enjoy your Big Brother Phone. You have nothing to hide, am I right, comrade?

    13. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "' I don't own an IPhone (Droid), but I *like* the idea that it can send my location and heartbeat back to Apple. I'd have liked this on my laptop that had gotten stolen. I'd just call the police, and send Apple the police report.'

      Or, alternatively, how about an app that sends my location back to me? All the security, none of the privacy infringement."

      And in either case, generally the police will take that information and do nothing with it, because of the constraints they operate under and their general lack of knowledge about such things. Just because you have an email saying your stolen property is at this address does not grant them enough to convince a judge to grant a search warrant, let alone the possibility that they could arrest anyone on that basis, or even use it to prove that the property in question is in fact yours.

      It seems like a straightforward idea, that could do some good... and 99% of the time it will run head on into things like burden of proof, due process, and the legalities of the jurisdiction in question.

    14. Re:I like "traitorware" by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      If this wasn't done the pirates would be disrupting software sales more than they are. Right now pirates are honestly a major nuisance to software developers. If everything was opt-out by default it would be impossible.

      Pirates are enjoying the same software without the all (or most of) the nuisance legitimate users have ... (think DRM).

      However you never really address my original point - that being that these automatically enabled features are helpful and hardly hurt my freedom to do what I want. In fact those are helpful features.

      A good feature stops to be a good feature whenever you lose/relinquish control over it to some 3rd party (unless you trust them 100%, in which case your problem).

    15. Re:I like "traitorware" by mattr · · Score: 1

      > I *like* cameras that incorporates metadata. This protects me from lawsuits
      Because you are not a journalist shooting something the government of whichever country you are in at the time dislikes.
      Most photographers do not use metadata to protect themselves from lawsuits, nor is that the reason why metadata is added. There is an author tag, which you can set, but serial numbers are probably to identify flaws and other data is probably meant to aid the photographer's software in trying to enhance it.
      Similarly, no customers are choosing cameras based on whether or not metadata is available. They might in the future if metadata can be demonstrated to be very useful such as in finding similar angles from the Internet for 3D composition.

      >People misuse printers to print out pedophilia
      Using "think of the children" and "pedophilia scum" is a common and idiotic straw man. There are no pedophiles being caught today via copiers, they are all on the Internet the news says (I could be wrong). Copier tracking is I expect used to track industrial correspondence in the event of crimes. Like how the copiers sometimes keep a copy of everything copied on a hard disk. I hope they are not doing this sort of thing in libraries since that would damage things the Constitution guarantees, at least in the U.S.A., though after 9/11 maybe it is happening there too (unless cool librarians sniff it out).

      >counterfeiting
      Sure they will not copy bills, but no, don't be silly. My understanding from the news anyway is that the North Koreans or whoever does the copying makes perfect "super" engraving plates that make indistinguishable copies. Hence the new-fangled printing they are coming up with. You are talking about 10-20 years ago maybe but I doubt it is really true about copiers being that good. People doing that get caught easily because the paper is different, as far as I know.

      > threatening letters (my sister got several
      I'm sorry to hear about your family's experience but no, they are not going to find and convict your sister's stalker with a piece of copy paper. Probably it is not going through a copier you see.

      > I just can't get that excited about anyone being able to trace what I print back to me. I can't think of a situation where I would care.
      Because you are (if you are writing honestly) living in a safe, unthreatening environment and have never found a situation yet in which you would care. This is quite different from reality for many people. Understand for example that the U.S.A. is forcing many countries to follow its standards, sometimes through secret pacts, and sometimes they are working with governments that really do not think like the U.S. government ought to think. And sometimes situations change, at any rate copier constellations are perhaps not the worst tragedy but the points you are making all sound quite like straw men (tricky) to me.

      On the other hand I'm sure there are many who think the same way as you mention, such as my own father. He has told me I'm not doing anything wrong so why should I worry. On the other hand, you could be Aung San Suu Kyi and get arrested by a corrupt government in your house for 15 years. If you think I am joking, I had the honor of attending a journalist's gathering where one of the top Chinese dissidents spoke. He actually was pleading the case of the average Chinese who is quite human but not seen or known well by the West due to the projections of their leaders.

      So 1 billion people are living in an unreal situation and buying copiers, and using Internet messaging and so on from the West and they are very vulnerable to being tracked. Their future could rest on how well this surveillance technology is embedded in their infrastructure. And that will affect your children or grandchildren. I use China as an example since it is so far away. Civil rights in the U.S. also have changed often in its history too.

      As for the tracking of your laptop, heartbeat, etc. that is very nice and sounds useful. I believe curren

    16. Re:I like "traitorware" by mattr · · Score: 1

      P.S. Not to sound so high and mighty, for what it's worth I did enable the satellite tracking on my phone so that it can be found if lost or stolen, though I'm not sure if it will really work since the batteries could die, it could be turned off or put in a box, etc. And I just remembered thanks to you that I should really add some code to my laptop so that it can be found if stolen, though it will probably just be a matter of phoning home to my own server, since I am proficient enough to hack something up for that purpose. Of course if you are Will Smith and government assassins are on your trail then that's a bad idea! ;) enjoy your purchases. Just let other people use it the way they want. The latest crop of phones and I think cameras too let you upload to the Internet from your device. It's an issue that should be examined.

    17. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a perfect world, yes.

      By that, do you mean, "in a world where corruption, greed, ignorance, and excuses aren't wide spread"?

      Right now pirates are honestly a major nuisance to software developers.

      No, they're a 'nuisance' to our broken capitalistic society, which in turn is a 'nuisance' to software developers. It's seriously laughable to say that someone who doesn't interact with someone else or take anything that they have is hurting them. Loss of potential future gain is not harm, and if it was, then you'd be harming anyone you didn't give all of your money and property to (because if you did, they would be 'better off').

      Also, no, pirates just crack the software. Almost every single time. It just hurts the paying customer, and it really displays ignorance to assume that DRM and other things similar to it actually stop piracy. It's almost like you've been living under a rock.

    18. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People misuse printers to print out pedophilia (you are scum, and hope you are caught), counterfeiting (I like being able to use money, and hope you are caught), and threatening letters (my sister got several, and I hope you are caught).

      So, wait. People can sometimes 'abuse' something so that means that everyone should lose their freedom and privacy because of that? Sorry, no. It's unfortunate that these things are sometimes abused, but it's not worth losing our freedoms over. Horrible crimes such as counterfeiting worthless money that only serves to stagnate the technological advancement of society, induce feelings of greed and power, and further allow for corruption, should be stopped! Horrible crimes such as exercising your right to free speech (something the supreme court 'interpreted' away, which isn't what the word 'interpret' is supposed to mean) should be punished!

      Some people murder others in the privacy of their own homes. We better allow the government to install cameras in every single house!

      I can't think of a situation where I would care.

      So basically you're using the "if you have nothing to hide, then why not give up your privacy" excuse? What a good idea! How could this possibly be abused by a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation? Let's think about that for a moment.

    19. Re:I like "traitorware" by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to the good old fashioned chopping up magazines to make threatening letters? Kids these days and their newfangled printers relying on them instead of you know less trackable methods.

      Remember it took the police so long to find the unibomber because he did all his stuff on an old school typewriter and lived like a hermit. I bet you if he had printed his crap out on some printer somewhere he would have been caught much faster.

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    20. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With cameras, yeah, it's great, but people need to be informed.

      With printers, a lot of people either don't trust the government (with arguably very good reasons) and/or also recognize the importance of anonymous speech. Pedophiles aren't printing their pictures, and no consumer printer can counterfeit money anyway.

      With phones, jesus christ, my printer point times a million. You want corporations and the government able to track locations, listen in (phones can be activated remotely to work like bugs), record, read email, all 24/7 on every person in the country? You might be fine living in blissful ignorance that it will never be abused, but lots of other people aren't.

    21. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's okay if I the end user is properly informed about such data collection and/or transmission of collected data to a company for use. I need to know and no such data should be collected without my explicit permission - no default open collection here.

      Remember the movie "Minority Report?" This situation may one day allow a state/govt to collect your data and execute a "pre-crime" arrest based solely on their suspicion of your behavior on the data collected. People need constitutional protection.

    22. Re:I like "traitorware" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this. My Verizon phone got stolen, I called them knowing they can track the phones location and THEY DIDN'T HELP ME. I got the cops involved THEY DIDN'T HELP ME.

      The tracking information is only used against you. In situations where you think *ding* I can just use the tracking feature to catch them!!!!!!11!!!! you'll find in reality no one will help you.

      But if there was an Amber alert saying you were wanted, you can be damn sure in 5 minutes Verizon will be sending that phones exact location to law enforcement.

  22. Re:What's the problem? by zippyspringboard · · Score: 1

    Who decides what is right and wrong? In your world it certainly isn't you :)

  23. If you want the product, you'll give your consent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's the problem.

    You won't be given the choice. You either buy it and accept their right to take your data, or you don't get to buy the product.

    Market forces won't solve the problem because business knows the value of the data to them. The company which allows you the clear option not to have your data taken from you will be at a competitive disadvantage and will not last long.

    This has to be sorted out in legislation which requires companies to offer the option.

    Most politicians couldn't care less about your privacy so it won't happen unless you threaten them with loss of office. Let them know what you think.

  24. I'm just waiting for the day of convergence... by mlts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bad thing #1: Locking down devices. Right now, people like the Dev Team jailbreak stuff within a month or two of release. However, eventually hardware chips will get added that are as hard if not harder than baseband modules to crack. Perhaps chips that "supervise" the OS, and if it runs something out of some strict parameters, the device gets shut down until taken to a $AUTHORIZED_STORE and fixed there.

    Neutral thing #2: Phones do a lot. They acquire a lot of knowledge about the carrier.

    Bad thing #3: Info by #2 is sent back home to carriers.

    Bad thing #4: A combined push by LEOs and our *IAAs to find more info about people to start criminal or civil proceedings with ease. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that suing users in the thousands for having a song available, or snarfing a video clip was not thought of.

    Bad thing #5: Ad providers being such a strong force. They don't just show disinterest in stopping malware payloads from being delivered through their networks, they want to add new vectors for infection using Phorm-like injectors. They will happily sell any information they get to all and sundry who have the cash.

    Bad thing #6: The "piracy" bugaboo. This is a major excuse used for device lockdown.

    Bad thing #7: No interest in anti-monopoly regulation.

    Bad thing #8: Blacklists are in common use in the industry. For example, if someone gets banned from one casino in Las Vegas, they get banned from all of them.

    Now, the day of convergence happens. All this stuff winds up merging. Joe User now buys a smartphone after all these converge:

    Day 1: Joe goes out on a date with a co-worker to discuss business. His device notices that it is near other devices, transmits the GPS info to an ad agency. Joe's wife has a search tool that uses info gleaned from ad agencies to monitor where Joe is 24/7 even though his stuff isn't connected. She gives him a tongue lashing when he gets home.

    Day 2: Joe visits a MMA place to see about casual sparring. The phone transmits the location, and insurance companies pick it up. They kick Joe off the health insurance because he is engaging in too risky pursuits.

    Day 3: Joe posts a private rant on his favorite social network of choice about his job from his home computer. The social network has a top notch privacy policy and has no advertisers at all. However, Joe's phone has an app that quietly slurps up his posts, even though they are posted by another device and sends them to an ad agency. His work subscribes to an employee monitoring system which sends relevant posts if they have the company mentioned. His boss gets handed the rant, and Joe gets fired.

    Day 4: Joe decides to go buy a dime bag because he has no job, an estranged wife, and no health insurance. He drives to a part of town that isn't too bad, but where the "upper" level distributers hang out. On the way back, Joe gets pulled over, his car searched and seized, and he ends up in jail. The local PD uses the ad agencies which keep track of all GPS settings of cars in the area, and has pattern matching. Any traffic pattern that is suspect gets an automatic traffic stop and the dog brought out.

    Day 5: Joe's wife decides to file a divorce because she wants to move to someone who is making money. She gets someone to check the phone ad agencies and give her the goods on Joe. She serves him divorce papers via E-mail, and because the ad providers know when someone received the message, the E-mail stands up in court as a proper service, just as a visit from the constable.

    Day 6: Joe is afraid of monitoring, so tries to flash a ROM without the 24/7/365 monitoring. The device auto-bricks, and he has to take it into an authorized store, pay $300 for them to flash a replacement ROM onto it. Essentially do a fancy version of RSD-Lite. Joe then uses a better utility that prevents the phone from bricking. However because it downloads a utility like su or Cydia, the cellular provider notices the communication between

    1. Re:I'm just waiting for the day of convergence... by LSanchez · · Score: 0

      No offence but your attitude towards joe's wife is incredibly misogynistic. Why is she a goldigger who's so paranoid that one lunch with a coworker she interprets as cheating?

    2. Re:I'm just waiting for the day of convergence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's misogynistic to assume all/most women are like that, but it's fact that there are a lot of women like that just like there are a lot of men like that.

      Sorry if I've said something to offend you, you're clearly very sensitive.

    3. Re:I'm just waiting for the day of convergence... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically, most of Joe's problems could have been avoided if he didn't use social networking and a smart phone.

      I don't own a smart phone. I have a cell phone that is older than the Motorola Razors. It still works fine to make and receive calls.

      I don't have a facebook page, etc. No LinkedIn. Nothing.

      I realize I'm still not off the grid at all. But Joe's story is written as if the "traitorware" was a completely necessary and unavoidable evil... It would be nice to have an internet-capable phone, but I don't have the money to spend on garbage like that. I've never needed it and can apply the savings to something useful.

      I should also mention that my cell phone has been company provided for over 5 years. It's free to use for company business and personal use. If I lost this job or moved on, I'd not replace the cell phone. I don't have a landline either. It's always stress and/or a nuisance when the fucking phone rings.

      Seriously, what is wrong with all the people that are so dependent on these devices? I drive past a queue of cars in the opposite lane, and no less than 80% of them are staring at a fucking phone and typing something when waiting in a turn lane. If you are one of these people, you make me sick and you are either a tool or a shill.

      I mean... Are you people twitting that you are waiting at a red light???

    4. Re:I'm just waiting for the day of convergence... by mlts · · Score: 1

      I do admit I did propose a quite tinfoil hattish scenario. However, with a lot of jobs, a smartphone is a must have:

      1: A lot of people are on call 24/7. This means they need to have the ability to call people, as well as respond to Exchange E-mails anywhere.

      2: Other people have to have E-mail access, for work-related items, such as messages/meeting requests from clients and such.

      3: The PDA feature of almost all smartphones can be extremely useful.

      4: Apps/games are useful. Why worry about a MP3 player, a pocket camera, a USB flash drive, a PDA and such, when one device can handle all of that?

      For some people, they may not need anything more than a basic phone. For others, having a smartphone is a must have, especially with Exchange connectivity being almost mandatory. This is why people like myself get concerned about all the trends that can converge to make a very locked down, user-hostile platform that has the ability to actively attack the user should he or she attempt to disable it. Since I use a smartphone all the time, I like knowing it isn't ratting me out 24/7/365.25 to companies who are actively hostile to my interests.

      Of course, turning off the smartphone and yanking the battery ensures that it isn't geo-locating, but in some cases, no signal might be as damning as a signal in the wrong place.

      Ultimately, the best solution to this as of now are the Google phones sold to developers, where because Google has more interest in getting the latest technology into developer's hands. Drop in DroidWall and one has their privacy back. If an app needs to contact Google's licensing servers, an iptables rule can be made to allow it to do that, but deny all connectivity anywhere else, unless there is a need for it to connect somewhere.

  25. Re:but with ATT low download cap will apple force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are indeed being ripped off in the USA got your data charges.
    I pay £15.00 (approx $23) per month for 15Gbytes here in the UK.

    IMHO, everyone is being ripped off on International Roaming.

  26. People who respect freedom for its own sake care. by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have no idea where the collected data goes and what inferences will be made from it. Since corporations don't care about your freedoms of speech, assembly, and other freedoms, there's no good reason to assume that the collected data won't eventually serve malevolent ends. Furthermore, the data is often collected without explicit announcement that it is being collected. The data is often distributed to others without explicitly getting consent on a case-by-case basis so the end user has an opportunity to decide that they trust one party but not another. It's very easy to let those who promote convenience and flashy presentation take away your freedoms; it's hard to regain your freedom after you've lost it. The solution, therefore, is to not lose your freedoms in the first place.

  27. Heart rate, eh? by spazekaat · · Score: 0

    Let's see.....tweaking my cardio-enabled phone to....wait for it.....

    WAIT FOR IT.....

    "BWWWEEEEEEEEE......BWWWWEEEEEEE....BWWWWWEEEEEEEEE...."

    Got it! Spock's heart rate while lying on McCoy's magical medical bed in the original Star Trek.

    Take THAT you (red) blood-sucking corporate parasites!!!

  28. Apple's non-removable batteries... by ethanms · · Score: 2

    Good for aesthetics... ...apparently also good for preventing you from quickly disabling the phone once stolen...

    It might take an unpracticed hand well over 5 mins of prying to get into the case before the battery can be pulled (assuming you did not want to destroy the device in the process)... you can upload a lot of data on a high speed network in that time... Apple will spin this as a feature which enables preservation of your important data prior to a remote wipe, of course it also has other uses...

    1. Re:Apple's non-removable batteries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't even consider buying a portable device unless the battery can be swapped as easily as a liver.

    2. Re:Apple's non-removable batteries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh!
      What about putting it into a metal box until the battery has run down. No signal in, no signal out.
      Flat battery == No network connection == No transmission or reception of kill codes.

      The size of phones these days means that I could easily fit half a dozen into a biscuit tin.

    3. Re:Apple's non-removable batteries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's of course not all of the plan. These batteries decay over time, and mine broke entirely within 2 years. Very expensive Apple service required to replace it...

    4. Re:Apple's non-removable batteries... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So now phone-thieves will carry Faraday Pockets, or will that be considered proof of intent to commit a crime (like lock-picks and gloves?)

      Honestly, though, it isn't that hard to find a dead zone

  29. The Shopper's Guide by westlake · · Score: 1

    'Your printer may be incorporating a secret code on every page it prints which could be used to identify the printer and potentially the person who used it.'

    Which is precisely the audit trail your boss is looking for.

    The same guy who buys the high end color printer that can produce a plausible counterfeit bill.

  30. Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Most research show that people can't read more then a 10-point list shown on a single page. That is the size those documents should be for maximum protection of the consumer.

    1. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 0

      Anyone who can read one page can read two (or more) pages. Laziness is not an excuse.

      For many contracts one page is not nearly enough to mention everything that needs to be mentioned.

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    2. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      Can't or choose not to?

    3. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Flamebate this all you like /.'ers but frankly this is a bullshit, asshat perspective and it pisses me off.

      At what point is it NOT laziness? 20 pages? 40 pages? 10,000 pages? How about 1,000,000+? My privacy should not be subject to whether or not I've taken the seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks/years necessary to filter through, read and comprehend every line of small print just so I can protect my family from corporate abuse. That's akin to being taken hostage by legal process and absolutely NOT reasonable. Whether or not this is legal practice doesn't make it right and I thank God we have groups like the EFF out there calling this shit out.

      Thought processes like yours sir serve only those who have something to gain from screwing people.

    4. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 0

      Look, I install plenty of software and I always read the entire license agreement, except when it is something generic that I have already read e.g. the GPL.

      If you don't want to read it, don't agree to it; take your business elsewhere (such as only use FOSS software under licenses that you have already read). You wouldn't sign a loan contract without reading it, an EULA is exactly the same thing. It is a binding legal contract.

      The freedom to enter into a contract is one of the most important fundamental freedoms along with freedom of speech, etc. To impose restrictions on my ability to enter into contracts with other legal persons is infringing on my right to do so.

      As others have described in comments on this story, the features in question such as GPS metadata in pictures is actually useful to some people, even though it might be seen as spyware by others. People have the right to give up their privacy, such as GPS data. It can be in their interest to do so.

      The fact is that contracts describe very specific details about how an agreement works. It is in both parties interests for the contract not to be vague. To describe an agreement in details requires a longer contract.

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    5. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by Holi · · Score: 1

      And what happens when it's written in such legalese that only one with a law degree can understand. I believe all contracts should be written so a person of average education can comprehend it, and any contract that obfuscates itself with legalese should be invalidated.

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    6. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 1

      And who is going to pick which contracts are in legalese and which are not?

      It sounds like something very hard to define.

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    7. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People have the right to give up their privacy,"

      Guess what. WE AREN'T EVEN BEING GIVEN A CHOICE. Who knows how to remove data like EXIF? They make it so cumbersome. Besides, the reality is that most people DON'T want this stuff there. For the FEW who find it useful, it should be opt-in. Or should we hurt everybody just to please a few narrow minded people who want something to be the default just because they are selfish, uninformed and lazy. They are only outsourcing their issues to others.

    8. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 1

      Data in EXIF is a feature that many people want. If they read the manual which they should be doing anyway they would know that it is there.

      It's simple, you convert the images into a format that doesn't support metadata. There are plenty of programs freely available that will do this for you in batch, or you could do it manually.

      A camera that captures metadata such as GPS location does not make it a privacy issue. People share data without checking what it is that they are sharing is a privacy issue

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    9. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't sign a loan contract without reading it, an EULA is exactly the same thing. It is a binding legal contract.

      Eula is a license not a contract. Some (or most) use it as if it were a contract adding means to control/limit further (beyond what is permitted by copyright) on the end users.
      It is like a contract you may say. but it is not like a contract.

    10. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by igreaterthanu · · Score: 1

      IANAL but isn't that just semantics?

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    11. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by kenshin33 · · Score: 1
      IANAL either but here are the actual definitions :

      Here is a definition of 'license' from Steven H. Gifis' "Law Dictionary, 2d Edition: "LICENSE: A right granted which gives one permission to do something which he could not legally do absent such permission; 'leave to do a thing which the LICENSOR [the party granting the license] could prevent.'"
      A contract, on the other hand, is defined like this: [1] "a promise, or set of promises, for breach of which the law gives a remedy, or the performance of which the law in some way recognizes as a duty. I Williston, Contracts Section 1. The essentials of a valid contract are 'parties competent to contract, a proper subject-matter, consideration, mutuality of agreement, and mutuality of obligation.' 286 N.W. 844, 846: 'a transaction involving two or more individuals whereby each becomes obligated to the other, with reciprocal rights to demand performance of what is promised by each respectively.' 282 P. 2d 1084, 1088. 'The total legal obligation which results from the parties' agreement as affected by law.' U.C.C. Section 1-201."

      found that on http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20031214210634851

    12. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      aren't lawyer specialists in semantics? :P

    13. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      Anyone who can read one page can read two (or more) pages. Laziness is not an excuse.

      For many contracts one page is not nearly enough to mention everything that needs to be mentioned.

      Page-wise, resumes are the same. And still >1 pages gets yours tossed these days.
      It's always lose/lose for the average buyer / prospective employee.

    14. Re:Maybe have a max-limit on contracts? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      My privacy should not be subject to whether or not I've taken the seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks/years necessary to filter through, read and comprehend every line of small print just so I can protect my family from corporate abuse.

      Communist!

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  31. Laser printers by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    I wanted a personal colour laser printer for myself, nothing flash, but better than 600x600, but I decided against as I had read in a few places that the colour lasers imprint shomehow on the page to identify the printer. I think we're fairly safe with monochrome personal laser printers - so far. Don't suggest inkjets, they are horrendously bad value for money.

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  32. Oh Well. by Wovel · · Score: 1

    Last month was my last check to the EFF. It appears they are firmly entrenched in the world of paranoid conspiracy theory now.

    LTR Patent FTW..

  33. Look on the bright side. by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    At least the missiles they'll fire at you won't be made using itunes. Since its against the license agreement.

  34. The real issue is...research & anonymous data. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not that our devices embed information; but how that information is used. For example, having a geo location and serial number on every picture can aid in searching for images as well automating workflow (based on specific sensor characteristics). For me, that is good. Sending that info to the "mothership"" (sic), without my knowledge or permission, is bad because they have no reason to need that data; other than to sell it or use it for marketing.

    No need to demonstrate the latest research

  35. Isn't it inconsistent? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    No, not really. Its invasive and wrong.

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  36. Worse yet by DCFusor · · Score: 3
    Our fine government has decided that it's OK for them to buy data that it is illegal for them to collect themselves, from people like all the vendors or banking institutions and others you do business with. This will be supported to the hilt by our fine government so they can buy this new data on you too, and then selectively enforce things on anybody they don't like because of what they say about our fine government.

    In the state I live in, for example, oral sex is a felony even between man and wife (old law meant to prosecute gays in parks, but they didn't make the distinction in law) is a felony and anyone on the street without $200 CASH (no, your plastic doesn't count) and ID (only certain things count) is at least a misdemeanor. They obviously don't enforce these much, it's a handy catch-all for a cop who is sure there's something wrong and needs to arrest you to find out what else he can get on you. In fact, there are an endless list of such laws.

    Now imagine a government afraid that their country will overthrow them, or merely riot in the streets, as in Greece or France, when the people figure out what a screwing they've gotten, and who wants to remain in power at any cost.

    Bingo -- perfect answer, your device makes you guilty of just about any of these trash laws, on demand, and we simply jail you for that before any demonstration or "movement" can get to critical mass.....

    This will not only be allowed, at some point it will be mandated, watch and see. Lucky, no one really needs these fancy bits of tech, they are just candy for anyone who grew up before anyone had them, and most people using them instead of having a life just look silly to us. So get off my lawn.

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  37. Your digital camera knows your location? by Frater+219 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your digital camera may embed metadata into photographs with the camera's serial number or your location.

    Record your location? Sure, if it's a smartphone with GPS. For standalone cameras, GPS is not exactly a common feature. There are about two models of pocket digital camera on the market that have GPS, and not very many SLRs with it either ... go look. Those that have it make no secret of it; it's actually a big marketing point for people who want to record where they've been taking pictures.

    As for smartphone models, I don't know about the Apple or Windows offerings, but Android's camera app exposes it as an option right on the main screen, next to the flash and focus settings ... and I'm pretty sure it defaults to off. People turn this on because they actively want it.

    Rather than scaring people about what their devices might be recording, it would be a lot more useful to tell people how to find out what tags are on their photos. For instance, the Linux command line program "exiftags" will tell you this kind of stuff: (Picked from a random image file I had lying around on my laptop.)

    Camera-Specific Properties:

    Equipment Make: OLYMPUS OPTICAL CO.,LTD
    Camera Model: C2500L
    Camera Software: Adobe Photoshop CS Macintosh
    Maximum Lens Aperture: f/2.6

    Image-Specific Properties:

    Image Orientation: Top, Left-Hand
    Horizontal Resolution: 173 dpi
    Vertical Resolution: 173 dpi
    Image Created: 2004:02:27 18:52:21
    Exposure Time: 1/5 sec
    F-Number: f/6.9
    Exposure Program: Manual
    ISO Speed Rating: 100
    Exposure Bias: 0 EV
    Metering Mode: Center Weighted Average
    Flash: No Flash
    Focal Length: 20.70 mm
    Color Space Information: Uncalibrated
    Image Width: 736
    Image Height: 767

  38. Don't Forget Cars by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget the Black Box recording in modern cars that rat you out to police, insurance companies, and the car companies themselves on items that are none of their business such as how fast you drive, and how long before the collision it was that you braked. You certainly didn't knowingly agree to this in buying your last car, yet it's common for your opponents to be able to get this data after an accident, insurance claim, even a vehicle warranty issue. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT YOUR EXPLICIT CONSENT.

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    1. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can learn some of this info from the physical characteristics of the car itself. For instance, if the brake lights are not on during impact (IE the driver didn't even bother to brake before the crash) then the filaments in the brake lights will be whole. If they were on during a crash, G forces cause the heated filament to deform

    2. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Barbarian · · Score: 2

      Don't forget the Black Box recording in modern cars that rat you out to police, insurance companies, and the car companies themselves on items that are none of their business such as how fast you drive, and how long before the collision it was that you braked. You certainly didn't knowingly agree to this in buying your last car, yet it's common for your opponents to be able to get this data after an accident, insurance claim, even a vehicle warranty issue. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT YOUR EXPLICIT CONSENT.

      You car doesn't call the cops and rat you out for speeding; the data only gets pulled after a serious collision with airbags deployed. At that point it's a legitimate criminal investigation and not simply a matter of privacy.

    3. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a matter of privacy because the thing shouldn't have been there in the first place without your explicit consent.

    4. Re:Don't Forget Cars by xenobyte · · Score: 2

      Well, if your bad driving was the cause of an accident, isn't it fair that you get punished for it?

      There's far too many bad drivers out there, or drivers doing everything but pay attention to the road while driving, and I'd love for them to be scared shitless over being the cause of an accident, which makes them wake up and pay attention to their driving. No more cellphones, fiddling with the radio, lighting a cigarette, looking the girlfriend deep into her eyes, arguing with the people in the back seat and so on. Just both hands on the wheel and all attention deeply focused on the road ahead. Will save a lot of lives too.

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    5. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Just rip the black box out of your car :D

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    6. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats the argument. However, what if you were doing 5mph (or 9? Where do you draw the line?) over the speed limit, driving perfectly, and the other guy is at fault? However, because you were doing 5mph over the speed limit, you now created a "contributing factor". The insurance agency you have takes this information and won't pay your claim because you contributed to the accident.

      Still like the idea?

    7. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The data is assumed correct because it exists; who among us has the resources to challenge the veracity of the data?

    8. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the Black Box recording in modern cars that rat you out to police, insurance companies, and the car companies themselves on items that are none of their business such as how fast you drive, and how long before the collision it was that you braked. You certainly didn't knowingly agree to this in buying your last car, yet it's common for your opponents to be able to get this data after an accident, insurance claim, even a vehicle warranty issue. THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT YOUR EXPLICIT CONSENT.

      Actually, this is written pretty fucking clearly in the owners manual of my car. They even explicitly state that they will use the data to defend themselves if you sue them. The sales person didn't tell me about it and I didn't sign anything. But I did read the manual when I got the car home and could have returned it under the lemon law if i didn't like it.

      God you people are fucking neck beards. Your response will probably be to build a plastic resin squirter to build your own FOSStard car. You can call it the Stallmanmobile and claim that it can self-replicate.

    9. Re:Don't Forget Cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're speeding, who is to say it wasn't a contributing factor? Outside of speed traps* those limits were set for a reason. And neither 5 nor 9 miles an hour over the limit will make a difference unless you are traveling many hundreds of miles; if I am going 60mph, and you are going 65mph, in how many minutes will we reach the same destination from the same start point? If it's 65 miles, you'll get there in an hour. I'll get there in an hour and five minutes. I say this as someone with an hour long commute every morning and evening. I stopped speeding once I did the math that even doing ten over the limit every second on the interstate, I saved less than a combined hour a week. The difference in gas costs that the additional 10mph caused was more than the amount I get paid for that hour (and I drive a Honda Civic). Throw in a speeding ticket (minimum $150, plus insurance goes up) and suddenly that hour looks really cheap.

      * Drove through Alabama recently, and around Montgomery the speed limit went from 70 to 45mph in quick steps -- 70, 65, 55, 45, less than five miles of interstate between the 70 and 45. That is a speed trap. Outside of a few construction zones (where I understand slowing people down -- but the 45 wasn't correlated with the construction), the interstate was between three and four lanes in either direction. Interstate, no red lights. And they slowed people down to 45 (the minimum interstate speed limit is 40mph!). The quick changes and ridiculousness of having such a large road stuck at 45mph is why I call it a speed trap. It's unsafe, too, to have that many people slowing down with people coming up fast behind them. If I ever make a similar trip I will go out of my way to avoid that stretch of interstate.

  39. You don't know me by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

    Sure you may have this pile of data about me but you don't know me. Until you respect me enough to ask for my information and give me something in return you can go pound sand. Google is a perfect example of giving something in return. They give you a bunch of free stuff (Gmail, Earth, docs etc) in return for "targeted advertising". I'm sure they are collecting a fair amount of data about me but I don't care because they are giving something back. If you're just gonna surreptitiously spy on me and steal my data without giving something in return then screw you. There is no marketable "service" here. It's just spying and I'm not buying it. The sad thing is, Steve Jobs doesn't care. He knows that most people don't care about privacy much less recognize it as a profitable commodity. I Currently have an Iphone and was impressed that you can turn location services on or off for any applications that use it. I guess I'm going low tech on my next phone

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  40. Features by EnsilZah · · Score: 2

    ...you can look forward to a day when your iPhone may record your voice, take a picture of your location, record your heartbeat, and send that information back to the mothership...

    Look forward?
    I thought it was able to do these things already, and they were marketed as features.

  41. GPS on a jet by phorm · · Score: 1

    Does a GPS work on a jet? Is it allowable (I believe they only receive, not send). If so, you could probably get some pretty ridiculous max speeds on those.
    For those reasons as well, I doubt it would usable as evidence unless you've also got a log of a recent clear-time, and a clear chain of possession since that time (who says you had the GPS the whole time, and for that matter that it was functioning properly).

  42. Finkware by handy_vandal · · Score: 2

    I propose Finkware . "Traitorware" has too damned many syllables.

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    1. Re:Finkware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about trackware/tracewear? Maybe underwear?

    2. Re:Finkware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But "traitorware" is far more difficult to re-associate by the big propaganda engine.

  43. Is there a version of this for kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    or rather, parents trying to explain to kids why sigining up to $SOCIALNEWTORKINGSITE (just like all their friends are doing) is a Bad Idea?

  44. Sick of childish alarmist BS by Alimony+Pakhdan · · Score: 0

    Whichever EFF drone came up with this name needs a serious sit down with the dictionary. Whichever EFF muckamuck approved this press release most likely needed either a little more or a little less attention from mommy & daddy.

  45. They already have your consent... by geekmux · · Score: 2

    "We believe that your software and devices should not be a tool for gathering your personal data without your explicit consent.'"

    Uh, they already have your "explicit" consent. It's buried in line 4,724 of the EULA that you never read. Don't feel bad, nobody reads those damn things anyway...

  46. Re:People who respect freedom for its own sake car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you say Acxiom? I knew you could.

  47. WT?! by akintayo · · Score: 1

    C'mon dude it is Christmas, don't kill my buzz yet.

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  48. Re:People who respect freedom for its own sake car by trickyD1ck · · Score: 1

    If you are worried about you freedom of speech, assembly, etc., you have a problem with the government, not companies. After all, if there is a legal way to censor speech, government will find a way to do it one way or another, be it with the help of businesses or something else. Instead of hunting down companies that facilitate government abuses, I would say it is better to ensure government can't abuse you in the first place.

  49. Why is it assumed this is not implemented yet? by UBfusion · · Score: 1

    Has anybody positive proof that this kind of hidden software is NOT already running in every (non - tampered with) iPhone?

  50. Re:People who respect freedom for its own sake car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only that, it is being preserved for a later date when something can be squeezed from all that "useless" and "trivial" information.''

    Just because you can't think of how it could be used against you now, doesn't mean 20 years from now the collection will still be meaningless.

  51. 'Nineteen_Eighty-Four', and 'Lord High Poo-bah' by garyebickford · · Score: 1

    Nineteen_Eighty-Four was only a mere shadow of where we are going as far as privacy is concerned.

    I recall a science fiction story written in the 1940s or 1950s (sorry, don't recall the title, couldn't find online) about a device that prefigured the modern calendar/reminder application, based on a wire recorder (the predecessor of the tape recorder), that gradually was improved to become an electronic adviser (prefiguring the modern smartphone), and was given the name 'poo-bah' after the character "Poo-bah, the Lord High Everything Else" in the Gilbert and Sullivan play The Mikado.

    The Poo-bah was a big hit in society, and soon everyone had one. It started out as a voice interface, but eventually was improved to have a neural implant. Then the devices were given wireless networking capabilities and artificial intelligence. Soon they Poo-bahs were communicating automatically with each other, and gradually began taking over everyone's minds and creating a Hive Mind. Considering the story was written before tape recorders had even become well known (else, I presume, they would have been used in the story instead of wire recorders), it's amazing how much of the smart phone's capabilities were prefigured in this story.

    I wish I could recall the name of the story, but in any case, we're on our way. :)

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  52. actually.... by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

    embedding the exif data with serial numbers is kind of a good thing - for one if your camera is stolen or lost you would be able to hopefully search for the exif profile online to see if anyone used and posted it - sometimes things go too far, that is you should be able to kill any functions outside of metadata embeds (for legal reasons more than anything, as someone who works in the legal field, removing of metadata actually puts you more at risk than scrubbing it) like location and time sending or usage stats.