Thanks for taking the time to respond - but I have got to question "(a) not wanting to maintain software on an unpopular platform that is causing lots of problems for developers", assuming what's said about the similarities between the Trident v6 for WP8 and for Windows desktop are correct.
I'm fairly sure Windows 7 & 8 users who use IE10 will be deemed popular enough to warrant support(?).
As for "(b) not wanting people to use unsupported Google products because they *will* conclude that Google products are bad." - the warning message for IE6 users on YouTube, explaining their experience may not be optimal due to their choice of browser, would seem a better solution than redirecting around the entire product?
And I agree with shutdown below, it's a web app. Microsoft have significantly raised their game on support of HTML standards - it seems a weird time to be barring their users access to services on the basis of their choice of device.
Can anyone tell me if IE10 on Windows Phone 8 supports location via the browser?
If it can, surely Google win, MS win (by not having their phone blocked by arguably the market leader in consumer digital mapping) and the users of the phones win?
That being said, this is stupid, and 'evil' (For their use of 'evil', not "just like the Nazi's" evil).
Intentionally blocking any browser is insane. They have tools already for saying "This version of this browser is known not to work well with this product", without needing to block the product entirely. It's nothing more than Google leveraging its position to block Windows Phone 8 - which is a shitty, cheap thing to do, and something they would have bitched like hell about if MS had done it back when they were the big dog.
It's something I really wouldn't have associated with Google, so clearly I need to re-evaluate my thoughts on them. I didn't see them as a Saint - in fact I viewed all transactions as "I pay for this product with my personally identifiable information so you can sell more ads". But that MO would require them to allow as many people to use their services as possible - not blocking people in some sort of petty attack.
You don't have to be a Windows Phone user to be offended by this.
I am loving Mint. I had a look at Mint 13 a while ago, and Ubuntu 12.10. I downloaded the Mint 14 RC a few nights ago.
And I liked what I saw enough to dive into something Linux-ie on my desktop. And I decided I prefer KDE for my desktop. And I prefer regular updates to big version changes, so I opted for LMDE KDE. I actually stuck around long enough to have an opinion on gnome vs KDE. The KDE menu is awesome - like a highly customizable version of the Windows 7 Start - very impressed.
So I'm dual booting Windows 8 and Mint - and Mint is getting a lot more use at the moment. In fact, if I could just find a way to get the bloody Steam beta to install on Mint, I'd spend even more time there. But I know it will come as they sort things out.
I think the Windows AppStore is a POS (can't search, WTF)
I had that problem for the longest time, too. You've got to remember, the Charm bar is "app specific". So when you're in Windows Store, the 'Search' charm works as a 'Search AppStore'.
Don't get your hopes up, though, it's still pretty shite.
From the Windows Mobile, generic brand days of the HTC Universal (T-Mobile MDA Pro), HTC Advantage (T-Mobile Ameo - 5 inch touch-screen device with a built-in 1.8 inch hard-drive), HTC Touch Dual, and then I moved to Android with them - onto the HTC Desire HD.
All have been great phones in their way (Except the Ameo, which was a lousy phone, but an awesome smartphone in a pre-smartphone world) - and I loved my first step into Android with the Desire HD - a proper flag-ship phone for them, at the time of launch.
But the generic shite they've been releasing recently, with zero innovation, zero risk - it's been cookie-cutter Android phones.
HTC has become a short way of saying 3.7 inch - 4.8 inch touch screen with so-so camera, so-so processor, so-so RAM, no replaceable battery, and no expandable storage. There's nothing really 'wrong' with them, but they're lacking something interesting. For a company that thought "Hey, there might be a market for a 5 inch Windows Mobile 5.0 device wrapped in leather, 2 inches thick, that can only be used as a phone with a Bluetooth headset, with a magnetic bolt-on keyboard" and took the risk to create it in 2007, they've become a risk-averse generic Android manufacturer.
Which is why my new phone is a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 - my first ever Samsung device. It it provides something unique. HTC is no longer unique. They're the beige box of the Android world, currently. I hope they recover - but it's looking unlikely.
I already pay £23 for 300 gig peak rate, completely unlimited off peak. As tempting as your offer is - no. As for pay-for services traffic, do you mean you'd charge extra for that traffic?
The one thing that really, really pissed me off was that for single-sign-on you seem to be tied to Microsoft. I know, it's hardly a shock, and it's the same as Apple. But I wish that the concept of Account Providers from Android had rubbed off on them. Sure, they could offer the 'premium' facility, as they know their platform better than anyone. But in this day and age when people are picking cloud providers to go with, it would be wonderful to have the opportunity to use 'your' provider of choice, and have them plug in to the OS via shared API's.
I know why they've done it - to tie you in and maximize the use of the Windows Store and ecosystem. But it's frustrating that we're increasingly 'locked in' to the platforms we use - be it MS or Apple.
And before anyone points out I could opt for a local account - you're right, I could. But the benefits of an Internet-based roaming profile is pretty neat. I just wish the syncing mechanism was accessible to third parties, to really get some competition going.
Thanks Labour. Because they managed to auction the 3G network off for such a huge, huge price, I suspect most mobile operators in the UK held off, wanting to get their moneys worth from the deal. Because it was such a huge sum, I can only assume they've dragged their feet, as our mobile networks join our broadband network in slipping way behind.
"The oldest recipient of an order to date is an 87-year-old who among other things is forbidden from being sarcastic to his neighbours (July 2003). He was subsequently found guilty of breaking the terms of his order on three separate occasions. He awaits sentencing but the judge has already made it clear that "there will be no prison for an 88 year old man". (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
I don't know about Sweden, but I do know in the UK some religions exempt you from the law.
There are two main areas where the Sikhs come into potential conflict with the law of the land;
The first is the wearing of a turban, whilst riding a motor cycle. Under the Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1980 there is a specific exemption for Sikhs wearing turbans,
Secondly, is the Kirpan (Dagger). Some police officers may believe Sikhs carry the dagger as an offensive weapon. Under the Criminal Justice Act 1988, which deals with carrying articles with points or blades, there is an exemption, if the person is carrying the item for religious reasons. There is however, no specific exemption under the Prevention of Crimes Act 1953. The person carrying the offensive weapon would have to show that they had a reasonable excuse. The inference being that the carrying of the Kirpan for religious reasons would fall into this category.
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On the level you're coming at it from, it's wonderful.
I hope it's taken that way. I hope people laugh at the joke...
He'll be able to do even more awful TV adverts for crappy insurance companies!
Thanks for taking the time to respond - but I have got to question "(a) not wanting to maintain software on an unpopular platform that is causing lots of problems for developers", assuming what's said about the similarities between the Trident v6 for WP8 and for Windows desktop are correct.
I'm fairly sure Windows 7 & 8 users who use IE10 will be deemed popular enough to warrant support(?).
As for "(b) not wanting people to use unsupported Google products because they *will* conclude that Google products are bad." - the warning message for IE6 users on YouTube, explaining their experience may not be optimal due to their choice of browser, would seem a better solution than redirecting around the entire product?
And I agree with shutdown below, it's a web app. Microsoft have significantly raised their game on support of HTML standards - it seems a weird time to be barring their users access to services on the basis of their choice of device.
Can anyone tell me if IE10 on Windows Phone 8 supports location via the browser?
If it can, surely Google win, MS win (by not having their phone blocked by arguably the market leader in consumer digital mapping) and the users of the phones win?
and I'm a huge Google Products fan boy.
That being said, this is stupid, and 'evil' (For their use of 'evil', not "just like the Nazi's" evil).
Intentionally blocking any browser is insane. They have tools already for saying "This version of this browser is known not to work well with this product", without needing to block the product entirely. It's nothing more than Google leveraging its position to block Windows Phone 8 - which is a shitty, cheap thing to do, and something they would have bitched like hell about if MS had done it back when they were the big dog.
It's something I really wouldn't have associated with Google, so clearly I need to re-evaluate my thoughts on them. I didn't see them as a Saint - in fact I viewed all transactions as "I pay for this product with my personally identifiable information so you can sell more ads". But that MO would require them to allow as many people to use their services as possible - not blocking people in some sort of petty attack.
You don't have to be a Windows Phone user to be offended by this.
As someone who responded, my 14 families are all grateful that the MP's have listened to reason.
Now, back to redtube.
Surely Google can do their own version of Santa flying, anyway?
I don't believe it's exclusive, trade-secret information. Or even particularly accurate - is Santa REALLY over France at that exact moment?
I am loving Mint. I had a look at Mint 13 a while ago, and Ubuntu 12.10. I downloaded the Mint 14 RC a few nights ago.
And I liked what I saw enough to dive into something Linux-ie on my desktop. And I decided I prefer KDE for my desktop. And I prefer regular updates to big version changes, so I opted for LMDE KDE. I actually stuck around long enough to have an opinion on gnome vs KDE. The KDE menu is awesome - like a highly customizable version of the Windows 7 Start - very impressed.
So I'm dual booting Windows 8 and Mint - and Mint is getting a lot more use at the moment. In fact, if I could just find a way to get the bloody Steam beta to install on Mint, I'd spend even more time there. But I know it will come as they sort things out.
I had that problem for the longest time, too. You've got to remember, the Charm bar is "app specific". So when you're in Windows Store, the 'Search' charm works as a 'Search AppStore'.
Don't get your hopes up, though, it's still pretty shite.
From the Windows Mobile, generic brand days of the HTC Universal (T-Mobile MDA Pro), HTC Advantage (T-Mobile Ameo - 5 inch touch-screen device with a built-in 1.8 inch hard-drive), HTC Touch Dual, and then I moved to Android with them - onto the HTC Desire HD.
All have been great phones in their way (Except the Ameo, which was a lousy phone, but an awesome smartphone in a pre-smartphone world) - and I loved my first step into Android with the Desire HD - a proper flag-ship phone for them, at the time of launch.
But the generic shite they've been releasing recently, with zero innovation, zero risk - it's been cookie-cutter Android phones.
HTC has become a short way of saying 3.7 inch - 4.8 inch touch screen with so-so camera, so-so processor, so-so RAM, no replaceable battery, and no expandable storage. There's nothing really 'wrong' with them, but they're lacking something interesting. For a company that thought "Hey, there might be a market for a 5 inch Windows Mobile 5.0 device wrapped in leather, 2 inches thick, that can only be used as a phone with a Bluetooth headset, with a magnetic bolt-on keyboard" and took the risk to create it in 2007, they've become a risk-averse generic Android manufacturer.
Which is why my new phone is a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 - my first ever Samsung device. It it provides something unique. HTC is no longer unique. They're the beige box of the Android world, currently. I hope they recover - but it's looking unlikely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNARnZdOY-Y
Tell me about it. :o/ Garrison had a fling with Dawkins.
And is she still a monkey?
A big, big thank you for some of the best geek music ever. Code Monkey, RE: Your Brains, the Portal work, etc - Sir, you're a legend.
I already pay £23 for 300 gig peak rate, completely unlimited off peak. As tempting as your offer is - no. As for pay-for services traffic, do you mean you'd charge extra for that traffic?
Yet?
Another shout out for bitbucket.org - love my hg, and love my bitbucket.
Also, I was using it in an Academic environment for dev work, and they have an Academic package they offer. Highly, highly recommended.
Please, someone, mod this up. Superb comment.
The one thing that really, really pissed me off was that for single-sign-on you seem to be tied to Microsoft. I know, it's hardly a shock, and it's the same as Apple. But I wish that the concept of Account Providers from Android had rubbed off on them. Sure, they could offer the 'premium' facility, as they know their platform better than anyone. But in this day and age when people are picking cloud providers to go with, it would be wonderful to have the opportunity to use 'your' provider of choice, and have them plug in to the OS via shared API's.
I know why they've done it - to tie you in and maximize the use of the Windows Store and ecosystem. But it's frustrating that we're increasingly 'locked in' to the platforms we use - be it MS or Apple.
And before anyone points out I could opt for a local account - you're right, I could. But the benefits of an Internet-based roaming profile is pretty neat. I just wish the syncing mechanism was accessible to third parties, to really get some competition going.
You insensitive clod.
Thanks Labour. Because they managed to auction the 3G network off for such a huge, huge price, I suspect most mobile operators in the UK held off, wanting to get their moneys worth from the deal. Because it was such a huge sum, I can only assume they've dragged their feet, as our mobile networks join our broadband network in slipping way behind.
I know a few Apple fans who have an iQ 4.
"The oldest recipient of an order to date is an 87-year-old who among other things is forbidden from being sarcastic to his neighbours (July 2003). He was subsequently found guilty of breaking the terms of his order on three separate occasions. He awaits sentencing but the judge has already made it clear that "there will be no prison for an 88 year old man". (Source—Statewatch ASBOwatch)"
I know ASBOs are a farce, but jesus, I didn't know how far we had sunk - as a Brit, I'm amazed at this list of more controversial ASBOs - http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmhaff/80/80we20.htm
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Kirpan#Legal_Cases
I have no issue whatsoever with Sikh's being allowed to carry the Kirpan, but I am curious as to how a religion can get a legal loophole.
As a huge Amiga fan 'back in the day', it's sad seeing its corpse being desecrated with such regularity. It died. We have to accept it.