I'm really not trying to be a troll, but f they have no internal memory, what the Hell is the serial interface for? Reprogramming songs? Adding instructions? Those things sound like activities that require memory to me...
THe only problem with your analogy-on-top-of-my-analogy is that you CAN'T see the executibles, at least not in any way that would allow you to understand them, when you try and do that, it becomes illegal.
I'm trying to understand the argument you're making here. Abusing monopoly power is like treason? Not QUITE, but it IS proof of criminal behavior, not to mention large complicated schemes to impliment said criminal behavior.
OK, maybe someone on Slashdot would argue that. Like so many flag waving morons like to say, if you don't like it, then leave.
Offshore accounts immune to US government reprisals? That's pretty foolish - if your primary source of income is being the officer of a publically held corporation, the IRS follows every penny you make. You've gone from silly to just plain fantasy now.
Bill Gates certainly has interests overseas - the Gates foundation spends millions upon millions helping foreigners. Hardly treasonous. Forgive me for questioning Saint Bill, and implying that he would do anything remotly shady in his dealings. Bad me.
But those that Microsoft made so rich still have most of their wealth in the form of Microsoft stock. The US government can make the value of MSFT $0 any time they decide to. And they'd have to if Microsoft ever did anything the average voter was actually upset about. Right, just like Enron stock is down to 0, not to mention the other oil companies that have alienated the people through price gouging.
The US government can deatroy any US publically held corporation overnight. If you commit fraud when selling to the military, and they notice, you will go to jail. And if you really piss off the military a foreign bank account and a country that doesn't extradite won't help you. *cough* Haliburton *cough* Betchel *cough* Your arguements are getting further and further removed from actual life.
I know people like to parrot memes here, no matter how foolish, to show that their ideas are fashionable, but try to retain some grip on reality. And here it is, I should have expected it. A long post, full of the language of certainty, expressing fictional 'facts' with sly undertones of superiority of intellect finished off with a personal attack! Well, I guess that DOES make sense in a way, if you know you're full of shit, just try and look as righteous and annoyed as possible while accusing the other guy of trying to be 'fashionable' Sweet.... You're Republican, aren't you?
First: Yeah, a war with China would probably suck for our economy. But in a war of attrition, it's a 11 trillion GDP (U.S.) versus a 8.5 trillion GDP (China).
Wars are fought with more than money, and if we had a war with China, both GDPs would come crashing down, hard.
Second: It's hard to tell really. On one hand, yeah, China has a shit load of infantry. On the other hand, their navy is a joke, and they're flying planes that are way obsolete. In a war we could easily hit their coast and get their big cities, Beijing, Shanghai, etc. From there we could bomb like stupid -- it is our specialty after all.
In a nuke war: I'm not aware of any chinese anti-missile technologies, furthurmore, dropping nukes on big cities is really, really, really bad buisness. I doubt anybody would side with China if they did that, and no matter what you think of their armed forces, the World vs. China is a very clear battle.
China's poltical and military leadership have stated recently that they know that they could not win a conventional war with the US, and have flatly stated that any agression from the US (including intervention in Taiwan) will be met by nuclear force. That's a doomsday scenario, doubly so if Russia sides with China (a decent probability). No winners here boys and girls.
Third: 50/50 chance Russia would side with China. Siding with china would mean going against the EU, which would be a bitch for Russia.
I don't know if the EUs involvement will be as cut and dry as you seem to think. Despite our Presidents insistance on having some sort of "political capital" pixie dust, we've pissed most of the European Community off. I mean, if China was the clear agressor the US would be highly likely to receive help from the EU, but if the US invades China preemptively it could be a far different story. In fact, I could conceivably see the EU helping China fight back the US, if China promised not to sling nukes...
Fourth: Doubt it. India is very close to us (recent patriot missiles for example) and gets a lot of money from U.S. buissness. The recent msft investment? Gone. Plus they would probably help us just to save their own ass.
I don't think India would be as much of a power player this hypethetical scenario, especially if Russa was involved. Maybe some lght support, but I honestly think they'd be too scared to really jump in fully, not to mention that strong Indian action could destabalize the situation with Pakistan. I don't really know tho, so take this bit lightly.
Fifth: At the moment China has yet to invent any great technology in recent years. If we were to block them off they would have to learn to get creative really f---ing fast. Their ability to do so is arguable.
Here's where you're both right and horribly horribly wrong. The Chinese aren't (seemingly) developing homegrown tech, but why should they... See, one of the attacks that made this article possible was a breaking of either Boeing, Lockheed Martin, or both. Within those companies computer systems is a treasure trove of modern aircraft, material, and computing technology. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if they are currently right there with us as far as advanced military aircraft go, even if they ARE using our own designs...
You're forgetting that the company in question is a convicted monopolist, and paid heavy political contributions to keep that from being a big deal (or even mentioned in polite company). These people (MS leadership) have no loyalty beyond their OFFSHORE (those wonderful patriots) accounts. Quit being so naieve.
I remember readng somewhere about the differences in the US and USSR strategies during the later part of the cold war... See, while the soviets were putting up hunter-killer satellites to disable our satellites during a war scenario, we (the US) were just making sure all the backdoors we had installed in the soviet satellites were working correctly. Tell ya what, I think it IS kinda foolish to assume that a cyberwar hasn't been raginig for a while now, or at least a cybercoldwar where the backdoors are being planted but the DoS attacks haven't started up yet.
This is a neat-o point of view, at freedom means being allowed (by your superiors) to do things that they have prescribed as acceptable. Rock on!
Would you buy a car that had the hood welded shut because they were kind enough to supply you with a couple extra holes in your gas-door for oil, transmission fluid, etc?
Or even better, we can take the ingrediants lists and nutrition labels off the food. If our Masters tell us it's what we want to eat then it's our duty to eat. Besides, whatever it is they're putting in there sure makes me want MORE! Not to mention the shakes I get if I don't get it every few days...
You may think I'm trolling with that analogy, but it's all too apt. I don't remember if the NSA_KEY bit back in WinNT 3.5(?)SP3(?) was a hoax, but that's just the kind of danger that closed source represents. If you don't know what the computer is doing with the information you give it (even worse, when you're not ALLOWED to know), then feed it with all kinds of personal and financial information, well, that's just foolish. It's just like depantsing bending over for a stranger that comes up to you and tells you that he's a proctologist, and that you need an exam, but you're not allowed to see his credentials. He IS wearing a doctor's coat tho...
I don't care what the rest of you hip 1334 types think, this post (though slightly incoherant) trys to bring a real point to the table, and actually offers (albeit painfully) what I consider to be the most valid reason this didn't get taken care of earlier.
You are NOT to question the corporate masters when they tell you how to use the software you bought, you are NOT to question when they force you to use your own property (your computer's clockticks) to make sure you don't cross the line they have placed for you. Why do we take this?
Read the post again, and try THINKING (I know, I know, it's dangerous) about what this person said. It's spot on as far as I'm concerned. Sony is one of the masters (one of the High Masters of Entertainment), and if master says shoot myself in the foot for his amusement, then master gets what master wants. We've been willingly bent over so long that we didn't even notice that they stopped giving us the courtesy of a reach-around.
Actually, at least one game, Black and White, makes snuggles with the internet to get the local weather and give more of the same to your little virtual heathens.
I remember seeing this in at least one other game too, but I can't remmber which right now. I guess it's a start.:-)
IMHO, the ideal compromise between the two factions would be to make philosophy a mandatory element of the educational system, like reading and math. Teach evolution in biology, where chemical processes relevant to life are taught, and teach Intelligent Design (TM? it's always capitalized) in philosophy class, right where it should be, along with Ghandi, M.L. King Jr, Marx, and others.
Many people might think that Philosophy shouldn't be required for some reason, but on the same token, many people think Iraq attacked us in 2001, and that reality shows aren't scripted. (I have first hand information from a trusted source, eg. a contestant on one of the Bachellorette shows, that they are) Philosophy is the study of thought, from a social-effect point of view, not a hard 'this is the way it is' science, but a soft 'this is what seems to be' line of reasoning. Not EXACTLY science, and not to be confused with science, but important anyway.
My $0.02.
I've been an off and on (currently on, but not exclusivley) Linux user for just over a decade now. It all started in 1994 whilst attending Monroe High School (Michigan). *crazy flashback graphics*
There I was, in my second year of Computer Science class, and let me tell you boys and girls, this was no typing/spreadsheet class. First year we learned digital logic, digital electronics to go along with it (wiring logic gates together for fun and profit) and some assembly. This guy taught us REALLY how computers work, more precisely, how they thought. That class changed my life.
Anyways, in second year we spent time on the Cromix (if you know this you are a true computer nerd (12 levels greater than a common geek)) system, banging out code mostly, and designing the 6502 based system we had to schematic and build. Man I loved that class. Anyways, there I am, playing around on the Cromix System with my buddies, when one of my friends comes in and tells me about this free operating system, based on unix(like Cromix!), called linux, or gnu, or slackware, or something like that and he shows up with a couple pounds of floppies. I take these home, and revel in the awesome power of a true multitasking OS at home.
My life would not be the same without linux. Honestly. My linux experience allowed me to do such things as 'borrow' internet service from my local MichNet library system, and then later from the local ISP that arrived. Since I met my wife on the internet, while switching between virtual terminals of multiple telnet-bbs sessions, my kids owe thier life to linux. I've gone back and forth over the years (in my young days I couldn't resist using beta-Microsoft OSs, what can I say, I'm a masochist) but have usually had at least SOME old POS system with linux on it somewhere just in case I needed a real computer to figure something out for me, or to crunch some numbers sanely.
Thank you for having this stroll down memory lane with me. I know it wasn't all techno-informational but hey, it was a pleasant group of memories, AND topic relevant.
You're apparently not American (well, United Statesian), cause around here, that's just not the way things are done.
Mind you, it SHOULD be the way things are done (well put and concise BTW). It's not though, especially that number 2 point. If American buisinesses started not lying to people, the whole world would rumble, and if the American government followed suit, well, processor comparison would be the last thing we'd be talking about for a few decades.
Just MHO.
I would have laughed at you if it weren't for the fact that earlier today Bush asked congress to consider giving him powers to use the military for quarentine purposes during an Avain Flu outbreak.
Um, yeah.
You actually have the BALLS to say "the people comming to help you will bring their own communication" after the farce that is American disaster cooridination was revealed? Log off slashdot and go back to watching Fox News you little facist troll. I bet you even think that Blackwater security in NOLA is a good thing, armed non-US Military soldiers holding Americans at gunpoint, and you think we want to rely on THEIR communication systems? Do us a favor and get your head out of your anus and go put it in an oven.
I didn't do the research (bad me) but I think the physical alteration (chemical, actually) route is the way they are going with this... Little bits that reflect the laser correctly once, but are destroyed by it's light....
But I dunno.
Would it make you feel better if I said that they marry IE to the one-and-only, doing-things-most-OSs-do-in-the-kernel shell?
Is that better?
Oh, and screw a nice day, have an exciting month!
If you would be so kind, could you either a) post the reply you (might) get here on this thread or b) shoot me a copy of the responce by e-mail to (poster name)@yahoo? I'd like to see what (if any) kind of response they send to your well written letter.
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Whoever modded me 'Offtopc' s full of shit... Does it run Linux is ALWAYS Ontopic here at slashdot.
Redundant would have been better...
I'm really not trying to be a troll, but f they have no internal memory, what the Hell is the serial interface for? Reprogramming songs? Adding instructions? Those things sound like activities that require memory to me...
But then again, I don't really know.
Yes yes, that's all well and good...
But does it run Linux?
THe only problem with your analogy-on-top-of-my-analogy is that you CAN'T see the executibles, at least not in any way that would allow you to understand them, when you try and do that, it becomes illegal.
I'm trying to understand the argument you're making here. Abusing monopoly power is like treason?
... You're Republican, aren't you?
Not QUITE, but it IS proof of criminal behavior, not to mention large complicated schemes to impliment said criminal behavior.
OK, maybe someone on Slashdot would argue that.
Like so many flag waving morons like to say, if you don't like it, then leave.
Offshore accounts immune to US government reprisals? That's pretty foolish - if your primary source of income is being the officer of a publically held corporation, the IRS follows every penny you make.
You've gone from silly to just plain fantasy now.
Bill Gates certainly has interests overseas - the Gates foundation spends millions upon millions helping foreigners. Hardly treasonous.
Forgive me for questioning Saint Bill, and implying that he would do anything remotly shady in his dealings. Bad me.
But those that Microsoft made so rich still have most of their wealth in the form of Microsoft stock. The US government can make the value of MSFT $0 any time they decide to. And they'd have to if Microsoft ever did anything the average voter was actually upset about.
Right, just like Enron stock is down to 0, not to mention the other oil companies that have alienated the people through price gouging.
The US government can deatroy any US publically held corporation overnight. If you commit fraud when selling to the military, and they notice, you will go to jail. And if you really piss off the military a foreign bank account and a country that doesn't extradite won't help you.
*cough* Haliburton *cough* Betchel *cough*
Your arguements are getting further and further removed from actual life.
I know people like to parrot memes here, no matter how foolish, to show that their ideas are fashionable, but try to retain some grip on reality.
And here it is, I should have expected it. A long post, full of the language of certainty, expressing fictional 'facts' with sly undertones of superiority of intellect finished off with a personal attack! Well, I guess that DOES make sense in a way, if you know you're full of shit, just try and look as righteous and annoyed as possible while accusing the other guy of trying to be 'fashionable'
Sweet.
First: Yeah, a war with China would probably suck for our economy. But in a war of attrition, it's a 11 trillion GDP (U.S.) versus a 8.5 trillion GDP (China).
Wars are fought with more than money, and if we had a war with China, both GDPs would come crashing down, hard.
Second: It's hard to tell really. On one hand, yeah, China has a shit load of infantry. On the other hand, their navy is a joke, and they're flying planes that are way obsolete. In a war we could easily hit their coast and get their big cities, Beijing, Shanghai, etc. From there we could bomb like stupid -- it is our specialty after all.
In a nuke war: I'm not aware of any chinese anti-missile technologies, furthurmore, dropping nukes on big cities is really, really, really bad buisness. I doubt anybody would side with China if they did that, and no matter what you think of their armed forces, the World vs. China is a very clear battle.
China's poltical and military leadership have stated recently that they know that they could not win a conventional war with the US, and have flatly stated that any agression from the US (including intervention in Taiwan) will be met by nuclear force. That's a doomsday scenario, doubly so if Russia sides with China (a decent probability). No winners here boys and girls.
Third: 50/50 chance Russia would side with China. Siding with china would mean going against the EU, which would be a bitch for Russia.
I don't know if the EUs involvement will be as cut and dry as you seem to think. Despite our Presidents insistance on having some sort of "political capital" pixie dust, we've pissed most of the European Community off. I mean, if China was the clear agressor the US would be highly likely to receive help from the EU, but if the US invades China preemptively it could be a far different story. In fact, I could conceivably see the EU helping China fight back the US, if China promised not to sling nukes...
Fourth: Doubt it. India is very close to us (recent patriot missiles for example) and gets a lot of money from U.S. buissness. The recent msft investment? Gone. Plus they would probably help us just to save their own ass.
I don't think India would be as much of a power player this hypethetical scenario, especially if Russa was involved. Maybe some lght support, but I honestly think they'd be too scared to really jump in fully, not to mention that strong Indian action could destabalize the situation with Pakistan. I don't really know tho, so take this bit lightly.
Fifth: At the moment China has yet to invent any great technology in recent years. If we were to block them off they would have to learn to get creative really f---ing fast. Their ability to do so is arguable.
Here's where you're both right and horribly horribly wrong. The Chinese aren't (seemingly) developing homegrown tech, but why should they... See, one of the attacks that made this article possible was a breaking of either Boeing, Lockheed Martin, or both. Within those companies computer systems is a treasure trove of modern aircraft, material, and computing technology. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if they are currently right there with us as far as advanced military aircraft go, even if they ARE using our own designs...
You're forgetting that the company in question is a convicted monopolist, and paid heavy political contributions to keep that from being a big deal (or even mentioned in polite company). These people (MS leadership) have no loyalty beyond their OFFSHORE (those wonderful patriots) accounts. Quit being so naieve.
I remember readng somewhere about the differences in the US and USSR strategies during the later part of the cold war... See, while the soviets were putting up hunter-killer satellites to disable our satellites during a war scenario, we (the US) were just making sure all the backdoors we had installed in the soviet satellites were working correctly. Tell ya what, I think it IS kinda foolish to assume that a cyberwar hasn't been raginig for a while now, or at least a cybercoldwar where the backdoors are being planted but the DoS attacks haven't started up yet.
This is a neat-o point of view, at freedom means being allowed (by your superiors) to do things that they have prescribed as acceptable. Rock on!
Would you buy a car that had the hood welded shut because they were kind enough to supply you with a couple extra holes in your gas-door for oil, transmission fluid, etc?
Or even better, we can take the ingrediants lists and nutrition labels off the food. If our Masters tell us it's what we want to eat then it's our duty to eat. Besides, whatever it is they're putting in there sure makes me want MORE! Not to mention the shakes I get if I don't get it every few days...
You may think I'm trolling with that analogy, but it's all too apt. I don't remember if the NSA_KEY bit back in WinNT 3.5(?)SP3(?) was a hoax, but that's just the kind of danger that closed source represents. If you don't know what the computer is doing with the information you give it (even worse, when you're not ALLOWED to know), then feed it with all kinds of personal and financial information, well, that's just foolish. It's just like depantsing bending over for a stranger that comes up to you and tells you that he's a proctologist, and that you need an exam, but you're not allowed to see his credentials. He IS wearing a doctor's coat tho...
Here comes the choo-choo!!!
I like it. Just disregard the trolls, they just like to hang around at swat at anything cooler than them.
I think maybe they do, but the REAL question is.....
You know that MARLON BRANDO is dead, right?
Oh, you should have watched that one all the way through... The ending was just delicious!
I don't care what the rest of you hip 1334 types think, this post (though slightly incoherant) trys to bring a real point to the table, and actually offers (albeit painfully) what I consider to be the most valid reason this didn't get taken care of earlier. You are NOT to question the corporate masters when they tell you how to use the software you bought, you are NOT to question when they force you to use your own property (your computer's clockticks) to make sure you don't cross the line they have placed for you. Why do we take this? Read the post again, and try THINKING (I know, I know, it's dangerous) about what this person said. It's spot on as far as I'm concerned. Sony is one of the masters (one of the High Masters of Entertainment), and if master says shoot myself in the foot for his amusement, then master gets what master wants. We've been willingly bent over so long that we didn't even notice that they stopped giving us the courtesy of a reach-around.
If that's the case, I bet Jeff Gannon is the Windows Agent.
Actually, at least one game, Black and White, makes snuggles with the internet to get the local weather and give more of the same to your little virtual heathens. I remember seeing this in at least one other game too, but I can't remmber which right now. I guess it's a start. :-)
IMHO, the ideal compromise between the two factions would be to make philosophy a mandatory element of the educational system, like reading and math. Teach evolution in biology, where chemical processes relevant to life are taught, and teach Intelligent Design (TM? it's always capitalized) in philosophy class, right where it should be, along with Ghandi, M.L. King Jr, Marx, and others. Many people might think that Philosophy shouldn't be required for some reason, but on the same token, many people think Iraq attacked us in 2001, and that reality shows aren't scripted. (I have first hand information from a trusted source, eg. a contestant on one of the Bachellorette shows, that they are) Philosophy is the study of thought, from a social-effect point of view, not a hard 'this is the way it is' science, but a soft 'this is what seems to be' line of reasoning. Not EXACTLY science, and not to be confused with science, but important anyway. My $0.02.
I've been an off and on (currently on, but not exclusivley) Linux user for just over a decade now. It all started in 1994 whilst attending Monroe High School (Michigan). *crazy flashback graphics* There I was, in my second year of Computer Science class, and let me tell you boys and girls, this was no typing/spreadsheet class. First year we learned digital logic, digital electronics to go along with it (wiring logic gates together for fun and profit) and some assembly. This guy taught us REALLY how computers work, more precisely, how they thought. That class changed my life. Anyways, in second year we spent time on the Cromix (if you know this you are a true computer nerd (12 levels greater than a common geek)) system, banging out code mostly, and designing the 6502 based system we had to schematic and build. Man I loved that class. Anyways, there I am, playing around on the Cromix System with my buddies, when one of my friends comes in and tells me about this free operating system, based on unix(like Cromix!), called linux, or gnu, or slackware, or something like that and he shows up with a couple pounds of floppies. I take these home, and revel in the awesome power of a true multitasking OS at home. My life would not be the same without linux. Honestly. My linux experience allowed me to do such things as 'borrow' internet service from my local MichNet library system, and then later from the local ISP that arrived. Since I met my wife on the internet, while switching between virtual terminals of multiple telnet-bbs sessions, my kids owe thier life to linux. I've gone back and forth over the years (in my young days I couldn't resist using beta-Microsoft OSs, what can I say, I'm a masochist) but have usually had at least SOME old POS system with linux on it somewhere just in case I needed a real computer to figure something out for me, or to crunch some numbers sanely. Thank you for having this stroll down memory lane with me. I know it wasn't all techno-informational but hey, it was a pleasant group of memories, AND topic relevant.
You're apparently not American (well, United Statesian), cause around here, that's just not the way things are done. Mind you, it SHOULD be the way things are done (well put and concise BTW). It's not though, especially that number 2 point. If American buisinesses started not lying to people, the whole world would rumble, and if the American government followed suit, well, processor comparison would be the last thing we'd be talking about for a few decades. Just MHO.
I think I just made plops in my skivvies.... :-D
BTW, thanks.
I would have laughed at you if it weren't for the fact that earlier today Bush asked congress to consider giving him powers to use the military for quarentine purposes during an Avain Flu outbreak. Um, yeah.
You actually have the BALLS to say "the people comming to help you will bring their own communication" after the farce that is American disaster cooridination was revealed? Log off slashdot and go back to watching Fox News you little facist troll. I bet you even think that Blackwater security in NOLA is a good thing, armed non-US Military soldiers holding Americans at gunpoint, and you think we want to rely on THEIR communication systems? Do us a favor and get your head out of your anus and go put it in an oven.
You put that much thought into a troll post from an Anonymous Coward? You're way right though.
I didn't do the research (bad me) but I think the physical alteration (chemical, actually) route is the way they are going with this... Little bits that reflect the laser correctly once, but are destroyed by it's light.... But I dunno.
Would it make you feel better if I said that they marry IE to the one-and-only, doing-things-most-OSs-do-in-the-kernel shell? Is that better? Oh, and screw a nice day, have an exciting month!
If you would be so kind, could you either a) post the reply you (might) get here on this thread or b) shoot me a copy of the responce by e-mail to (poster name)@yahoo? I'd like to see what (if any) kind of response they send to your well written letter.