Util you make a website that for some odd reason does not render in certain browser/OS combinations. Or some of the students are having connectivity issues.. or there is some wifi interference... or some students are having problems with their personal machines.
Personal machines have always been problematic when required for class time.
Off and on schools will try to force make/models or compatibility with some centralized application, but even if all of that is standardized you still have the problems of 'what if some student's machine is having trouble' or 'student forgets/looses/breaks machine', which, as you say, either eats up class time or locks the student out of the class.
I have seen success with out-of-class tools and applications, but those work because there is time to deal with problems.
Looking at Dr Orient's sited studies, apparently it does not include actual hospitals, only a scattering of long term care facilities that showed only a marginal improvement.
While good solid numbers would be nice, I think the pattern of 'people who can not get X are less likely to pass X to immune compromised patients' is a safe enough assumption that it is up to the skeptics to demonstrate the fallacy, esp since infection is one of the primary complications in hospitals.
While initially (and likely) harmless, such events echo a dark past. The US has a long history of 'voluntary' destruction of scapegoat media which, if they latch on to a big enough moral panic, end up exerting significant social pressure on people to 'volunteer'. They also tend to have the problem of parents (or other quasi authority figures lik significant others) getting caught up in the hysteria and destroying their children/partner's media for them. They can actually have a pretty corrosive force.
And of course there is the effigy element of it. Even if other locals do not give up their media, knowing that a group is going around collecting for destruction something you consider important can be a bit unnerving... esp if they start using actual bonfires.
Thus, stuff like this in isolation seems harmless, but can tie in to a larger pattern or even become bigger themselves.
The point is, there were cases of a particular 'new' technology interfering with particular systems that were designed and tested decades before it was developed. That particular one being outdated and replaced with newer unknowns does not change this.
So the 'can new consumer devices cause problems' is not a purely academic exercise
While there have not been any crashes, interference from some devices has been shown to effect some other devices, so the pattern of passenger electronics disrupting aircraft systems has been demonstrated as occurring. The big question mark is which combination impact which systems, but we already have a 'some impact some' situation, which increases the chance of some matchup causing a crash.
Apparently the liberty inherent in not dyeing is given a higher priority then the liberty for being able to run whatever entertainment product you want durring narrow windows of an aircraft's operation.
A good faraday cage is a log harder to build then simply having some metal (with breaks and holes) between potential sources and things they might hear them.
Heh. Actually I was just reading a piece the other day about how a 900Mhz cell phone was found to set off cargo hold fire alarms in some specific model... which would have required setting off the halon extinguishers (not exactly healthy to be around) if humans had not broken regs and ignored it.
That tends to be the confusion. People forget that the US government is actually very weak. It feels powerful to average citizens, but is generally weaker then many of the quasi-state corporations living within its borders.
If they had, I imagine all the software derived from that work simply would have been based off something else instead. No fall out, just alternative history.
Oddly enough, I think I find the idea of mandatory parenting classes/standards more disturbing then mandatory contraception. I shutter to think what kind of standards boards might exist to decide what 'proper' parenting might be. Family law is a pretty horrible domain, and I have seen all sorts of things used as examples of why one parent or another should not have custody including 'improper' sexuality, religion, political allegiance, hobbies, career, relationship structures, lifestyle.. and the idea that such standanders could potentially leak in to deciding if you can even have a kid in the first place is kinda chilling.
Which is not a small matter. The difference between cultural icon with dedicated (and profitable) fandom and, well, obscure hit.. is fan participation.
No, actually, once you get away from the insurgents, the actual villages can be pretty hospitable to Americans, provided you learn some of the basic manners and customs.
Well, there is being against something, and then having a high profile example of exactly what you were paranoid about, which resulted in the assassination off a major figure in your organization... it would be like if it came out that the US government actually was spreading mind control chemicals from jet engines or started sending UN troops to secure little backwater towns. Believing in a conspiracy makes people paranoid, but having actual confirmation of that conspiracy, at least in part, can push people over when it comes to action.
True, though getting back to the earlier comment... the person was saying that the government wants to fool people away from the idea, but the original push for the argument came as counteagument to the 'the king's power comes from god'.. so modern government is not only built on the idea but implements it in everything we do.
I was mostly commenting against the idea that you can own a fully automatic device without a license or permit, or that 1986 impacts this. A hand cranked one is not really 'fully automatic' any more then a semi-automatic rifle is.
Oh I realize it can be done, but there is a difference between 'what you can do' and 'what is legal to do'.
Yep, looked it up.. hand crank gatling guns are legal to own as they do not consitutue an automatic weapon. Putting a motor on one is the legal equivalent of converting a semiautomatic to automatic which, unless you have the license for it, is illegal. Buying one with a motor already attached it covered under the same laws that cover all machine guns.
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Util you make a website that for some odd reason does not render in certain browser/OS combinations. Or some of the students are having connectivity issues.. or there is some wifi interference... or some students are having problems with their personal machines.
Personal machines have always been problematic when required for class time.
Off and on schools will try to force make/models or compatibility with some centralized application, but even if all of that is standardized you still have the problems of 'what if some student's machine is having trouble' or 'student forgets/looses/breaks machine', which, as you say, either eats up class time or locks the student out of the class.
I have seen success with out-of-class tools and applications, but those work because there is time to deal with problems.
Well, the Legion of Doom was always rather easily foiled... so Dumb might be appropriate....
Looking at Dr Orient's sited studies, apparently it does not include actual hospitals, only a scattering of long term care facilities that showed only a marginal improvement.
While good solid numbers would be nice, I think the pattern of 'people who can not get X are less likely to pass X to immune compromised patients' is a safe enough assumption that it is up to the skeptics to demonstrate the fallacy, esp since infection is one of the primary complications in hospitals.
See, now that would represent a proper viking send off for the media, therefor I would approve ^_^
While initially (and likely) harmless, such events echo a dark past. The US has a long history of 'voluntary' destruction of scapegoat media which, if they latch on to a big enough moral panic, end up exerting significant social pressure on people to 'volunteer'. They also tend to have the problem of parents (or other quasi authority figures lik significant others) getting caught up in the hysteria and destroying their children/partner's media for them. They can actually have a pretty corrosive force.
And of course there is the effigy element of it. Even if other locals do not give up their media, knowing that a group is going around collecting for destruction something you consider important can be a bit unnerving... esp if they start using actual bonfires.
Thus, stuff like this in isolation seems harmless, but can tie in to a larger pattern or even become bigger themselves.
The point is, there were cases of a particular 'new' technology interfering with particular systems that were designed and tested decades before it was developed. That particular one being outdated and replaced with newer unknowns does not change this.
So the 'can new consumer devices cause problems' is not a purely academic exercise
Not so.
While there have not been any crashes, interference from some devices has been shown to effect some other devices, so the pattern of passenger electronics disrupting aircraft systems has been demonstrated as occurring. The big question mark is which combination impact which systems, but we already have a 'some impact some' situation, which increases the chance of some matchup causing a crash.
Apparently the liberty inherent in not dyeing is given a higher priority then the liberty for being able to run whatever entertainment product you want durring narrow windows of an aircraft's operation.
A good faraday cage is a log harder to build then simply having some metal (with breaks and holes) between potential sources and things they might hear them.
Heh. Actually I was just reading a piece the other day about how a 900Mhz cell phone was found to set off cargo hold fire alarms in some specific model... which would have required setting off the halon extinguishers (not exactly healthy to be around) if humans had not broken regs and ignored it.
That tends to be the confusion. People forget that the US government is actually very weak. It feels powerful to average citizens, but is generally weaker then many of the quasi-state corporations living within its borders.
For the same reason the US gave up on capitalism a century ago, pure systems fail.
Given the price of the chips involved, that would probably raise the judgement significantly.
If they had, I imagine all the software derived from that work simply would have been based off something else instead. No fall out, just alternative history.
Oddly enough, I think I find the idea of mandatory parenting classes/standards more disturbing then mandatory contraception. I shutter to think what kind of standards boards might exist to decide what 'proper' parenting might be. Family law is a pretty horrible domain, and I have seen all sorts of things used as examples of why one parent or another should not have custody including 'improper' sexuality, religion, political allegiance, hobbies, career, relationship structures, lifestyle.. and the idea that such standanders could potentially leak in to deciding if you can even have a kid in the first place is kinda chilling.
Which is not a small matter. The difference between cultural icon with dedicated (and profitable) fandom and, well, obscure hit.. is fan participation.
I had not hear this part of the tale. Can you site a reference?
No, actually, once you get away from the insurgents, the actual villages can be pretty hospitable to Americans, provided you learn some of the basic manners and customs.
Well, there is being against something, and then having a high profile example of exactly what you were paranoid about, which resulted in the assassination off a major figure in your organization... it would be like if it came out that the US government actually was spreading mind control chemicals from jet engines or started sending UN troops to secure little backwater towns. Believing in a conspiracy makes people paranoid, but having actual confirmation of that conspiracy, at least in part, can push people over when it comes to action.
True, though getting back to the earlier comment... the person was saying that the government wants to fool people away from the idea, but the original push for the argument came as counteagument to the 'the king's power comes from god'.. so modern government is not only built on the idea but implements it in everything we do.
I think you put it better then I did, but what you described was pretty much what I was trying to get at.
I was mostly commenting against the idea that you can own a fully automatic device without a license or permit, or that 1986 impacts this. A hand cranked one is not really 'fully automatic' any more then a semi-automatic rifle is.
Oh I realize it can be done, but there is a difference between 'what you can do' and 'what is legal to do'.
Yep, looked it up.. hand crank gatling guns are legal to own as they do not consitutue an automatic weapon. Putting a motor on one is the legal equivalent of converting a semiautomatic to automatic which, unless you have the license for it, is illegal. Buying one with a motor already attached it covered under the same laws that cover all machine guns.
Are you sure about that? Last I heard Gatling guns were only legally purchaceable if they were hand cranked, anything with a motor was illegal to own.