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College CIO Predicts Tablets Will Kill Smart Boards

CowboyRobot writes "Keith Fowlkes (vice chancellor for information technology and CIO at the University of Virginia's College at Wise) has a commentary at Information Week in which he makes the point that moving forward, colleges will be able to dump all the 'smart' classroom tools and devices (e.g. electronic whiteboards, clickers, projection systems, etc.) and will only need to support students' tablets. The reasoning comes down to the return on investment, which is easy to argue for tablets but not for other classroom technologies. Standardization of video across devices remains a problem, as does the issue of where files are stored and how they are shared. But these are solvable problems and we will soon see the day when electronic whiteboards are a distant memory." I think the issue of file storage was solved by openafs a long time ago, certainly at the scale of a small university.

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  1. Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's put aside the fact that a LOT of professors don't like the idea of students even bringing smartphones into class, much less tablets and notebooks. Let's put aside the fact this guy sounds like someone whining about his budget, who has possibly been approached by a slick salesman who's sold him on the idea of some app that's just going to require a "small investment." Let's put aside the fact the professors are still, by and large, a bunch of old farts--many of whom are still using the same blackboard presentations and transparencies that they were using 30 years ago.

    To me, the most obvious counter to this assertion is the notebook. Students have had notebooks en masse for 10-15 years now, and THOSE didn't really revolutionize the classroom. And if notebooks, which are way more powerful and open than tablets, didn't really change things all that much--then what makes him think that tablets will?

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    1. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tablets won't for the same reason laptops didn't. People will show up with any number of different make/model of tables with different versions of different operating systems on them with different capabilities and different versions of different applications then fold in that the user's will have varying levels of skill is the use of these devices...

      You'd end up with the instructor (usually not all that technically savvy) using up the class time trying to get their presentation/software/whatever to work on everybody's device rather than actually teaching anything.

      Between the above reasons and arcane licensing restrictions on a number of specialized software titles we still maintain actual computer labs, you know, rooms full of PCs, something we were told would go away more than ten years ago.

    2. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      No matter make nor model nor OS, there is already a nice presentation system that works with all of them. You are using a version of it now. Making a simple website that replaces power point should be something any professor can handle.

    3. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All this ignores the obvious: from a human factors perspective, one large surface with professor walking around and touching it seems to work best.

      For another example of this *style* of interaction but with everyone participating from a screen, see weather forecasting. The meteorologist is blue screened in so he can gesture and such.

      So long as there are physically students in the same room as the teacher, there will be a large shared screen that actually has stuff on it. For remote only, in theory the professor could be blue-screened onto the materials, but given the more interactive nature of education, it's probably that a professor would still have a big screen simply to make modifying the contents less awkward.

    4. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think designing a presentation in HTML is easier than Powerpoint?!? Hell, my dog could probably put together a Powerpoint presentation. With HTML, even something as simple as getting a graphic to go exactly where you want it can be a pain in the ass.

      I know the MS hatred here is strong, but don't kid yourself. Powerpoint is #1 for a reason. And one of those reasons is that it's braindead simple and easy to use (and I've known even CS profs who need braindead simple)

    5. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A good presentation sure is. 99% of Powerpoint is bad presentations though.

      Being worried about the exact spot a graphic is in makes me think you want to create bad presentations.

      Powerpoint is #1 because it lets you turn 5 minutes of information into an hour long lecture with useless graphics and animations.

    6. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by gabereiser · · Score: 0

      Oh man if I had mod points... You summed up my thoughts EXACTLY!

    7. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by edrawr · · Score: 1

      While in college, I worked doing tier 2 support for the campus IT department, and every semester we would have professors come in trying to get some (usually archaic) material out to students electronically, only to find out that it wouldn't work on a Mac, or that students couldn't open a .docx file because they had a torrent copy of Office 2003. This was a great source of frustration for a lot of professors. Then you had the ones that told you on the first day of class that you were not to bring your computer in to class, even though the institution required that all students purchase a laptop (on their own, not from a few defined models to make support easier).

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    8. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't get much of a chance to observe kids across the range of education and you are involved in IT futures at all, it is worth looking at and thinking about.

      Notebooks have always been just expensive enough and big enough that, while kids had access to them, they had to make an effort to get them and use them. 7 years ago, when you had a laptop, you still had to put in effort to understand how to connect one to the internet and then make it happen -- often involving money. That is where the change happened.

      The generation of current under 10 year olds had access to always-connected-tablets/phones before they encountered formal education. Today's Jr High kids weren't quite reading when mom first put an iphone in their hands to distract them, and they have been fixated on them ever since. Kids don't have go get the laptop or carry one around. They just pull the small tablet out of their skinny jeans when they are and use their bigger one when they can, if they want to.

      This is the first generation that will be far more comfortable with the touch/glass interface than a physical keyboard by the time they hit the workforce. They don't know a world where the internet wasn't always and immediately at their disposal and have never experienced a life where they had to put in effort to find access or understand even the basics about how it works. They play game and live their social lives on them, they get Christmas and birthday gifts for applications or services on them, they watch television and movies on them and they read on them. Oh, and they learn on them all the time. Everything from lets-play videos, to cooking and dancing, foreign languages and even how to make their own videos for the internet are all things I've seen my own kids absorb via youtube on a tablet as something they chose to do 'for fun'. And it was far more normal and engaging for them to do it on "their own" tablet than a laptop or normal computer.

      The current batch of undergrads, which is really the end of the laptop generation, has adopted phones/tablets as well obviously. But more importantly, so has the current generation of graduate student and they are the teaching workforce and heirs apparent of the current faculty. Universities that maintain large footprint wireless networks are seeing record numbers of concurrent connections and it is changing IT strategy across higher ed. You already can't walk 10 steps on a large university during the semester without seeing a tablet and that was never the case with laptops. That's with the generation of people who had to learn to switch to tablets.

      So yeah. Tablets are different. And it isn't just marketing hype. If you are like me, you find them somewhat convenient at times but also annoying to use and you would rather stick with what is comfortable. But for kids today, laptops are the annoyingly quaint technology.

    9. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      To me, the most obvious counter to this assertion is the notebook. Students have had notebooks en masse for 10-15 years now, and THOSE didn't really revolutionize the classroom. And if notebooks, which are way more powerful and open than tablets, didn't really change things all that much--then what makes him think that tablets will?

      Because tablets are new and notebooks aren't. With each evolution of personal computing, the same ideas are put forth by marketing and management types who see dollar signs. For example, "thin clients" can trace their heritage all the way back to the first timesharing computers and mainframes. But every few years, someone comes long and says "thin clients are the future!" The latest example is with cloud computing, where people predict gaming platforms will be replaced with thin client devices that do all the graphics processing, etc., "in the cloud". Before the cloud, there was the cluster, and before the cluster was the server farm, and before the server farm was the virtual machines, and before the virtual machines was the mainframes, and so on and so forth. With every iteration, everything old becomes new again.

      This guy knows just enough to be annoying, but not truly worldly and experienced enough to recognize that if the previous dozen attempts all fell flat on their face, this one probably will too. Then again, this lack of deeper understanding might explain his current vocational aspirations...

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    10. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Let's put aside the fact the professors are still, by and large, a bunch of old farts--many of whom are still using the same blackboard presentations and transparencies that they were using 30 years ago.

      Just to be clear, a lot of them haven't switched because the content and teaching ability matter much more than what the information is displayed on. Take a bad teacher in a bad class, replace the blackboard with a fancy expensive smart board, and you'll have a bad teacher, a bad class, and less money.

    11. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First tablets are much more cheaper than notebooks. They are less personal and kind of disposable.
      Second I know a so called old fart professor who is doing just fine with multimedia projector even though he calls it scribe-projector.
      We also have "Smart board" in the university but it just seats in corner and catches dust. It's like a magical artifact that no one knows how to use or bothers to.

    12. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by surgen · · Score: 1

      Students have had notebooks en masse for 10-15 years now, and THOSE didn't really revolutionize the classroom.

      This is what always bothers me about the tech in classroom push, I graduated college only two years ago and while it makes me feel like a Luddite to say it, I think the combination of a video projector connected to the professor's laptop, a whiteboard, and a student with pen and paper doesn't really have a whole lot of room for improvement outside of specialized cases. My sister in law is an elementary teacher, so I know kids are one of the cases where tech can be put to really good use, but this article is talking about college and so will I.

      Software is about automation, and for the most part we've already solved most of the pain points that detract from the ability to have a productive lecture. I think thats why most of the real improvements have been made in online classes, and the online components of traditional classes. By making all course materials instantly accessible anywhere the only things that lectures have over online classes anymore is the immediacy of interaction with the professor, and the act of note-taking. What else actually matters in a lecture and what tech could actually help that in the lecture hall? Maybe something like google moderator for huge class sizes would be useful? I'd say that being able to recall anything that happened in the lectures would be great, but even when I had access to recordings of a multi-campus class I took over a teleconferencing service I never used them.

      And the note taking device doesn't really make a whole lot of difference, software can't (yet) automate the act of putting information into your brain. I did some classes with pen and paper, I did some by typing on a laptop, and a classmate used a laptop-that-rotates-into-touchscreen-and-stylus job; it's all just a matter of preference really.

    13. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      Being worried about the exact spot a graphic is in means you give two shits about how your presentation looks. It's a presentation, so like, visuals are sort of key. Who can stand to look at a PRESENTATION that has graphics all offset by a couple of pixels and nasty borders showing through. I suppose if you have no fucking clue of how to visually convey an idea then having your graphics appear differently depending upon the browser you're running won't make you neurotic with rage. PowerPoint isn't exactly exceptional at letting the designer loose with their ideas, but for God's sake it's faster and more accurate than plopping together a nasty web-site that won't even look right half the time, especially if you're showing it on a projector with a different aspect ratio to what the site was designed in.

    14. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't know many professors. I am a professor and many of my colleagues struggle with writing a document in Word. They still send handwritten exams to the secretary to be typed.

    15. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Being worried about the exact spot a graphic is in means you give two shits about how your presentation looks. It's a presentation, so like, visuals are sort of key.

      You've already failed.

      Powerpoint presentations are almost universally bad because people spend more time making the presentation than they do making the content they are going to speak about, and you're just type type of person confirming that fact.

      The visuals of a presentation either need to present and image/animation/movie of something that can't be described by the speaker accurately enough, or simply a rehash of the major bullet points of the presentation itself.

      The powerpoint IS NOT THE PRESENTATION, it is a SECONDARY AID to help with the speaker's description.

      Unless the aspect ratio is WAY off, it is irrelevant. HTML is PERFECTLY acceptable for presentations if they are done properly.

      The issue you have with HTML versus powerpoint means you're doing it wrong in the first place, not that HTML is the issue.

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    16. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Off and on schools will try to force make/models or compatibility with some centralized application, but even if all of that is standardized you still have the problems of 'what if some student's machine is having trouble' or 'student forgets/looses/breaks machine', which, as you say, either eats up class time or locks the student out of the class.

      I have seen success with out-of-class tools and applications, but those work because there is time to deal with problems.

    17. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a professor at a major university. I hate clickers, etc. because they seem superfluous and gimmicky.

      Having said that, they're widely used here, and I have done surveys of students about how they feel about them. What I've found is that most students report that they like interactive activities in class (i.e., using devices), don't like clickers but don't hate them either, and would rather use a general-purpose device (e.g., smartphone, tablet, etc.).

      I think this person is actually pretty accurate.

      The thing to keep in mind with this is that going forward, what *won't* work is relying on a single device. Some students will prefer to use a laptop, some will prefer to use a tablet, and most will have smartphones, and some might have something we haven't seen yet. The key is setting up the systems to that there are multiple ways of accessing the interactive content, most likely through some website formatted for multiple devices. There are already multiple services that do this, some very well, where students can respond at a class website either through SMS or clicking on the webpage, which is delivered in multiple formats depending on the device.

      I know what you're saying about laptops. Technology tends to be grossly overhyped. In my surveys, even as recently as this year, a large proportion--maybe 40% of students--were still using dumbphones, and only about 5% had a tablet. Probably about 75% of them had a laptop, but most of them didn't bring it to class.

      Nevertheless, there are several students who bring laptops to class regularly, and some who had their tablets in class too. Despite the statistics above, about 85% of students had one or more of the above devices. If you say "you have to have some mobile device capable of the following capabilities," students will bring something in. What's happening isn't penetration of a single type of device, but penetration of the class of mobile devices. I think each mobile device on the market has been overhyped--first it was "laptops will revolutionize education," now it's "tablets will revolutionize education." I think the more accurate statement is "mobile devices in general will help education."

      I cannot wait to get rid of clickers and their ilk. The question isn't, "will there be devices in the classroom," it's "which devices will there be in the classroom?"

    18. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Util you make a website that for some odd reason does not render in certain browser/OS combinations. Or some of the students are having connectivity issues.. or there is some wifi interference... or some students are having problems with their personal machines.

      Personal machines have always been problematic when required for class time.

    19. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've already failed.

      . . . HTML is PERFECTLY acceptable for presentations if they are done properly.

      No, you're the fail. Getting an HTML presentation done 'properly' is FAR too much learning curve for most professors. Like it or not, Powerpoint IS the presentation standard.

    20. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by axl917 · · Score: 1

      Well, thank god for tenure then, eh? Otherwise your colleagues would be fired for such incompetence.

    21. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by IRGlover · · Score: 1

      Educational Technology is my field and this has been gaining traction for a few years now (often under the name 'Bring Your Own Device [BYOD]') and, to be honest, it is attractive to institutions because they feel it will reduce the amount of hardware that is purchased and unused (or, worse, is switched on 24/7 but doing nothing). I don't think that it is something that lecturers or students would really want if they thought about the (many) downsides. However, the reason that laptops didn't take off is because of the patchy Wifi coverage when they were first becoming mainstream, the relatively poor battery life and few places to charge in most institutions, the weight of the devices and the startup time. With a tablet it is possible to switch it off, put it into your bag and start it up instantly in your next class - not so with a laptop. Tablet use is obviously going to continue growing as they become more affordable lifestyle devices, but for many people they will be unlikely to replace the general-purpose abilities that you get from a full-fat PC. That Smartboards are rubbish doesn't mean that tablets will replace them. Perhaps there is a fundamental problem with 'smartboard-style' teaching so that there will always be issues...

    22. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      "The issue you have with HTML versus powerpoint means you're doing it wrong in the first place, not that HTML is the issue."

      I take exception to this, you see I believe in making something clean, simple and *precise*. If I have an image being rendered somewhere, I want it to render there and ONLY there, and I want it to be precisely positioned.

      Perhaps you don't care about the layout of your work, but I do. And just because I do, doesn't mean that I spend more time on the look of a presentation than on its content. In fact, I'd rather NOT spend forever and a day making sure my presentation looks right, which is exactly why I'd choose PowerPoint over making a website, because I don't HAVE to test it at different resolutions on different browsers to make sure it'll function correctly, I can design it once and be done with it! I'm not arguing that PowerPoint isn't capable of funnelling the user into some God awful design choices regarding their presentation layout and its information, but it sure as shit is faster at creating something visually accurate than building a site in html5. That is, unless you want to do something beyond the (admittedly strict) limits of PowerPoint such as complex animation. But then you'd be spending more time on the visual look than on the content itself, which you seem to be against.

    23. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      okay using just html diagram a 3 stage amplifier at the component level (with voltage/current values).

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    24. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      But the inverse is true too.

      A good teacher can use the new technology to better the class.

      But often good means good with technology, not good with teaching.

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    25. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Stop putting images in presentations. 99% of the time you don't need them.

    26. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by captbob2002 · · Score: 1

      You don't work in higher education, do you?

    27. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      okay using just html diagram a 3 stage amplifier at the component level (with voltage/current values).

      Man, that's easy - Take a picture of the diagram from the book using your cell phone. Email it to your desktop. Paste it into Word. Now, save it as a .pdf and import it into Powerpoint.

      Jeez, you'd think technology was hard or something.

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    28. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the reverse is even truer - given a good teacher, it makes no difference what technology they use or if indeed they use any technology at all.

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    29. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Students have had notebooks for far longer than 10-15 years.

    30. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 2

      Sure you do, it's another way of conveying information. For instance, how many people would rather see a map as plain text vs an image of the map itself? What about a graph plotting statistics that show progression? Maybe you want to show a screenshot or photograph of something significant, again text won't do. There are plenty of frivolous things that images aren't required for, like clipart to "pretty" (ha) up a presentation, but the reverse is also true.

    31. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      There are plenty of collaboration tools that allow you to automatically share Powerpoints as html.

    32. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps they would... If they were employed to produce word documents.

    33. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Indeed, unprepared speakers use presentation programs as a crutch. They just read what's on the screen. Ever watched a Steve Jobs keynote? What a difference! Almost no text, simple images to illustrate and emphasize the points, very subtle transitions, and a guy who knew what the fuck he was talking about.

    34. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Wow, how dumb are you? If you are that insanely neurotic, you do know you can export powerpoint to html? Or to pdf? Or just leave all your work in powerpoint and use a webviewer so everybody see's your neurotic powerpoint with your bullet points aligned to your desired pixel.

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    35. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      You can design all you want in powerpoint, you don't have to translate powerpoint slides to display them on websites. Insightful fail.

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    36. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      Not really. There are people who are incapable of learning from other humans regardless how good the teacher is. Tech is king here, and there'll hopefully be big developments in this area for autists and others.

      But for the most part, totally agree. Most people don't understand that teaching isn't about following a lesson plan, it's about actually understanding your material and being able to see where your students are. Only when you know both can you reliably lead one to the other.

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    37. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Now if we can just get students to stop taking notes and actually use their ears, and what's between, the world would be in a better place.

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    38. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      What relevance does exporting from PowerPoint to html have with what I have said? The argument is producing your presentation in html vs producing it in PowerPoint. If you exported your slides to html you would satisfy neither my argument that PowerPoint is a more efficient and exact method of creating presentations, nor the GP's argument that you ought to build your slides in html and avoid design atrocities committed by typical PowerPoint presentations.

    39. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      There are people who are incapable of learning from other humans regardless how good the teacher is.

      Agree, but your tangent about autists and high tech is just that: something of a tangent.

      A good teacher who knows their material and can see where their students are is still going to be ineffective at teaching a student who, in your own words is "incapable of learning from other humans regardless how good the teacher is".

    40. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Notebooks, while available, weren't something many students could afford. When I was in university (about 10 years ago), a good laptop cost around $2000. You could get really junky ones for $1000, but they really were horrible, and probably woudn't last you for your entire 4 years of university either. Now you can get a pretty decent laptop for about $400-$500. If they were that price when I was attending university, I definitely would have bought one. Tablets (if you ignore Apple) are even cheaper. The Nexus 7 is only $200. Most students could easily afford that. It's cheaper than some textbooks.

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    41. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by nmr_andrew · · Score: 1

      Have you seen the kind of HTML that MS products produce? *shudder*

    42. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Um, maybe you should read all the way to the grandparent post?

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    43. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So students prefer to read from a 7" screen than a huge white board?

      Besides, this is the 'education' market, so it will probably require a $600 iPad to work.

    44. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      Thankfully, i escaped windows for good 20 years ago. Unfortunately, I see the horrible html that almost any app produces. One of the main reasons I'm working on an information browser that get's rid of all the superfluous crap on the web.

      Frankly, i would just code a few hundred lines of Lisp to convert my notes to SVG 'slides'. ...unless of course after all these years there still aren't decent SVG viewers on windows and mac. Anyways, extremely trivial problem for anybody not used to tripping over their own tools.

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    45. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      The first part there chimes with my point - exporting your slides from PowerPoint to html would give you the worst of both worlds. I once tried exporting some notes to html and PowerPoint made a complete mess of them and didn't even use the entirety of the horizontal screen space. The notes didn't even require images, it was just some text. Ouch.

    46. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Stop putting images in presentations. 99% of the time you don't need them.

      If you don't need images you don't need a presentation, speech alone will do fine. Presentations are for things easier to explain with pictures than with words.

    47. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      I think a large part of the problem is people using proprietary tools and expecting to have universal results.

      Education is a prime target for FLOSS as a unifying factor ...if the FLOSS people had any motivation towards a standard :) Sure, Apple and Microsoft might come out with one competing implementation each for money and market share. The FLOSS crowd will come out with 100 different implementations just for shit and giggles :)

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    48. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, that's ridiculous. If everything you had to say could be clearly conveyed in a text file, then your presentation was unneccessary and irrelevant... Just send the file instead. Bette yet, why even convert to English, straight binary would be faster. You didn't really need all those "letters" did you?

    49. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the word document is an exam, then in a sense, you are.

    50. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      99% of meetings I go to could easily be replaced with just an email chain. Would be faster and more productive too.

    51. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      why not just give all the students a virtualbox installer (it supports mac linux windows and solaris (maybe freebsd i don't remember off hand)) with a pre-built customized ubuntu virtual machine now they all have identical environment complete with browser, office suit, and what ever other software is required now mixed device environment is solved. Hell the school could do some custom branding of the VM if they wanted. Start requiring all docs be in what ever the defaults for libra/open office or pdf now all of the students and professors can open anything they are given.

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    52. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      In some ways I agree with both of you.
      This time around, I'd venture to say that the always on level of connection is unique: This is a generation that ALWAYS has connection, all the time, everywhere.
      The internet is ubiquitous and omnipresent. The place where all the info is located, on the internet, is something that they're carrying all over the place.

    53. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by dunng808 · · Score: 1

      Jumping in here although there are many places in this thread where I would like to comment.

      Some points made by others I agree with: 1) Laptops were too expensive, big, and heavy, 2) battery life was not good enough, compounded by OS designers resource-hungry designs, 3) teachers set in their ways, 4) lack of software compatibility, 5) inadequate WiFi coverage and bandwidth.

      Over ten years ago I started the Open Slate Project to develop an educational solution similar to what Mr. Fowlkes describes, and I certainly agree with the article's headline. In my concept, an app called Super Chalk Board functions in a client-server manner to transmit data, including live, even hand drawn, input from any slate to any slate or group within the classroom. The display is in layers (think GIMP or Photoshop) with the top layer being notes made by the slate user (student). The slate would have enough storage to hold a reasonable amount of material locally, so that review, study, even homework assignments can be done without a network connection. Sessions would be recorded so that a student who missed class could download the session from home or when they return.

      While searching for a way to implement Super Chalk Board I came across Squeak Smalltalk and am convinced that it would made the ideal foundation for Open Slate's software, which I dubbed Chalk Dust. I have used a book morph to create a sample of a first generation Chalk Dust application. Still not networked, but even so rich in potential. Much has been done by the Etoys team to bring Squeak to young children.

      The Open Slate Project has been languishing lately but the rise in inexpensive hardware has inspired me to restart it. Anyone interested can look over the somewhat outdated site and sign up for our (low volume) mailing list. Always looking for contributors, or help of any kind for that matter.

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    54. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Compare to the real world. Corporations still use white boards during meetings, and many people don't bring a laptop and almost no one at all has a tablet. But the whiteboards work and are still used almost everywhere. If they want something nicer then use a projector, though often those have trouble.

      Colleges need to worry about finances, not about how to spend more money on fads.

    55. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And you can't easily view powerpoint if you don't have Office installed and aren't on Windows. With HTML you don't need to keep things perfect (don't let artistes design the page), just list the facts and formulas.

    56. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Sadly, people want to keep those powerpoint slides as references for use later on. Then I get bothered because some info was left off of the slides and I'm asked to update them. So essentially what are supposed to be just aids during a presentation get turned into official documentation, and over time people now expect this.

    57. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And just what about that requires the sort of precise alignment that HTML can't do? If you need an image in a presentation, it's usually just a big honking image with a title and maybe some text underneath.

    58. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That's been my experience as well. Hell, half wouldn't even need that. I don't know how many meetings I've had to attend that did nothing but waste my, er, my employer's time.

    59. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      Not even a little bit. The medium is irrelevant. If a prof chisels his exam onto basalt tablets is it still an exam? So, if it takes less time for a prof to scribble off an exam and hand it to an assistant or grad student for typing, then the prof has more time to do what they are really employed to do.

      From what I have seen, the best way for professors to keep their jobs is to: A) publishing research papers, thereby raising the prestige of the university, thereby attracting more (full pay) students. B) apply for and win grants. In most universities grad students do most of the instruction. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

    60. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      way to generalize your microscopic experience to multiple entire generations of people. lulz.

    61. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who gives a shit what the professors like? They don't get to say what happens, the people attending the class do. They are the customers, they pay those professors' wages. Some dipshit professor try to come at me hard, I'll beat his ass.

    62. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I am leading a Tablet Technology group at the university where I work. The head of our department wants to give students tablets the day they walk in, loaded with textbooks, syllabi, applications that will connect them to Canvas (a cloud on-line course management system), as well as the course registration system and other student services. The Tablets will be all one type (we are studying both Android and iOS at the moment but will look at Win8 this summer, assuming they get something worth looking at) and will be adminned by the university, so that they stay updated and students have a single source for problems.

      We recognize the limitations of tablets and plan to work toward focusing on their use for course delivery rather than student production. We are rolling out slowly by providing Tablets to professors who want to use them in class for content delivery, but the real plan is what I explained above, this step is to acclimate the faculty to the possibilities of using the Tablets in the classroom. Training with tablet will be on-going and we expect to see uptake of this tech, which is supported by the administration, to be pretty rapid as faculty realize what it can (and won't) do for their classes.

      Finally, I don't know what university you have been an active part of in the last 20 years, but it is what I have been doing and your description is out of the 20th century, not the modern world at all. Oh, and I work for a public university with 45,000+ students spread across 3 campuses, so we are not talking some small private uni with more money than good sense. Also, being an alumni of UVA, I can tell you that the faculty there are some of the most progressive in the world and will probably jump on whatever works.

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    63. Re:Then why didn't that happen with notebooks? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      actually, powerpoint is so very sucky that many teachers (myself, obviously, included) are moving to Prezi and Rocket and other presentation applications. Sorry, but .ppt is crap and will, hopefully soon die a quiet death.

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  2. Or, projectors and tablets together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tablet for the actual interaction, projector so all the others can see.
    That would certainly kill off the need for smart boards, which are just obtuse to work with in general.

    1. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Stewie241 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, for math/science especially, you need something that the professor can walk up to in front of the class and point to things. i.e. point out what part of an equations he/she is talking about or use gestures to illustrate a relationship between two parts of something.

    2. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And pointing at a board is still way easier than screen sharing and then highlighting some part of your screen.

    3. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Problem is that most are starting to confuse what a Smartboard is. For these type of classes (math, science, etc) you can still use the old caulk board. Smartboards are just digital wall screens that also are input devices. Many K to 12 schools are switching over to these and its a mix bag of those that love it and those that flat out hate it. Also in the mix are schools that are using tablets. Now this article he states that he believes only in colleges this will happen, where I see this happening.

      Children with special needs, the Smartboard is one of the more fantastic devices I've seen. They can walk up and point out what they are trying to say if they have the motor skills. While in a college, really, why do we need this? Just hooking a projector to the computer and just have the prof point it out with a mouse or laser pointer. A tablet connected to the universities created program (such as blackboard) would be a better system over all.

    4. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2

      Tablet for the actual interaction, projector so all the others can see.
      That would certainly kill off the need for smart boards, which are just obtuse to work with in general.

      I disagree, but you are mostly correct.

      With the rise of online education, I would wager you will see MORE use of smartboards, or at least a push for use of smartboards for dual in-person/online courses. The Smartboard will remain a critical element to capture the ephemerial 'chalk board' segment of a live lecture.

      Imagine that the professor is giving a normal presentation using a white board, while a camera captures the lecture for the online audience. Anything the professor does on the whiteboard is important for the online students to see. Typical lecture cameras are insufficient to capture the detail of a whiteboard in video. The current approach tends to require static pre-generated lecture notes/slides which the online students can refer to, but any deviation from the slides will only appear on the whiteboard, and it is very easy for a professor to forget to 'capture' what he writes on the board.

      The smartboard is probably the best method to capture this information, and send it realtime to the online students. As an added benefit, nothing is lost to the eraser between slides/lectures.

      For my signals processing course, I generated about 10-15 pages of notes PER LECTURE where the professor would use a dry-erase marker to write on an old school overhead projector. Had he used a smartboard, I would have been able to focus less on furious copying of the lengthy problems he was working through, and observe more actively, knowing I could refer back to the perfect copy of projector scribblings the smartboard captured.

      A tablet interface just doesn't cut it for working complex problems. In school, I remember something I called the chalkboard effect. If I was having difficulty with a math problem on paper, I would go to an empty classroom and work the problem out on the chalkboard, something about that form factor (size perhaps?) made working problems on the chalkboard almost trivial compared to the difficulty of the problem when worked on paper.

      Sure, the professor could write on a tablet, but that would eliminate a good 70% of the communication potential of the human body. Without the ability to use body language, gesture, refer easily to comments on side boards, etc, trying to teach via tablet would be a huge pain.

      So in summary, you are right about the projector, and certainly using a tablet, but I think the tablet would work best in the hands of the audience, while the professor works from the giant tablet (the smartboard)

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    5. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      While in a college, really, why do we need this?

      Imagine a prof is teaching integral calculus. With a Smart board he can progress through solving the equation, while what he is writing is either projected, and/or automatically recorded so it can be played back later.

    6. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the size of the class. For large lectures, the projection screen can be two or three times the height of the lecturer, and then drawing things on the local machine and having them mirrored is easier. It would also be nice sometimes to get students to draw something on the board without forcing them to come to the front.

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    7. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by PoopMonkey · · Score: 1

      I can't say for sure if it's true for all smart boards (i don't know how many there are) but the one we have in our office is a projector as well. Short throw projector on top of the board. It was actually cheaper going that route than a projector that could do the same resolution too. And it means that we didn't have to try to install a projector on the ceiling or sit it on a table. We use it more for projector than the board aspect but the capability is there.

    8. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      or use gestures

      ah, you've hit upon the critical difference. The static output from a board capture or a slide deck is nice, but contains much less information than watching it in person or by video because the process is just as important as the final result (if not more so).

      Now, to be fair, Kahn manages to gesture by wiggling his mouse cursor. It's choppy but he's only using the tools available to him; perhaps a purpose-built system with a good pen would make this whole thing work.

      Has anybody done a screen sharing stack that uses UDP multicast with post-hoc unicast damage correction?

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    9. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, your prof could have been less of a dick and provided photocopies of his overheads, hell, you could have even asked for them. A smart board isn't going to magically make a dumb professor/student smart.

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    10. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, your prof could have been less of a dick and provided photocopies of his overheads, hell, you could have even asked for them. A smart board isn't going to magically make a dumb professor/student smart.

      I know it's easy to look at things and say 'Oh, here is the obvious solution, I can't believe you didn't do this.' the professor on the overhead was just an example. Would you matter if I said he used a chalk or whiteboard? The point is that it is a situation which can benefit from the use of a smartboard that a professor using a tablet can almost, but not quite match.

      (and for the record, photocopies of the transparencies aren't very good at recording sequential snapshots as someone draws a graph by hand, takes questions as to what the graph should look like if the function were 'xyz' instead, then draws that new function ontop, and continuing with several other questions/examples using the same graph. But as I said, just pretent it's a professor using a whiteboard instead)

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    11. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      Well, my solution was to just record with my brain everything that was going on. Well, more like storing diffs of important changes. It takes more time and effort to train your body to do what technology 'might' be able to do. However, your body will always beat tech in terms of integration, cost, and battery life.

      I'm just suprised that after so much experience with education nobody has decided that instead of cramming 'facts' down peoples throats maybe we should instead teach them how to feed and digest for themselves. Of course, this is a chicken and egg thing since most teachers do not understand the process of learning themselves.

      Most of my work is focused on developing a learning environment for autists, but hopefully it'll have some benefit for people who have the traditional routes of learning open.

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    12. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by smg5266 · · Score: 1

      I am in a MS Mech Engineering program and over half of all my professors already do this.

    13. Re:Or, projectors and tablets together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he can progress through solving the equation, while what he is writing is either projected, and/or automatically recorded so it can be played back later.

      This is an already solved problem. Professor writes on chalk board and students take paper notes for later review.

      Now get off my lawn.

  3. Which tablets? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 5, Funny

    Makes sense. Why have just the one big screen that can display information when you could have a whole department devoted to a system that can push information to a wide range of tablets with different operating systems, software installations and capabilities. It's far more fun trying to work around the 30% of students who don't have LaTeX installed, the 42% without Flash, the 19% without an HTML5 browser and the guy who should be expelled because he prefers a notebook and pen.

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    1. Re:Which tablets? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying this is a good idea, or even a real solution to anything. But to play devil's advocate...

      It does help with students that perhaps can't see the screen well. SOME of the lecture halls at my old school... sitting towards the back made it difficult to make everything out on the projector because some professors would try to squeeze too much info in with small fonts or poor small handwriting. With a proper zoomable display on a Tablet this would be removed. And depending on how they do it, could make referring back to the day's lesson a little easier.

      Also, the school COULD require that all students get a specific model/brand of a tablet. Upping the first year's tuition by a couple hundred dollars wouldn't be too insane... and now every has an iPad 4 or whatever. Also they could probably standardize on an app or use an HTML5 template to push these out. If they standardize the tablet brand+model it wouldn't have to be the nightmare you depict.

      Again, I'm not saying it's a good idea but it might not be too stupid either.

    2. Re:Which tablets? by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      ...and the guy who should be expelled because he prefers a notebook and pen.

      Yeah, well they still work when the power goes out and there's nowhere to recharge. I actually tried a thought experiment with my sister (age 16) who lives on her ipad: I faked a power outage at the house and then asked if she wanted anything to eat. When she emphatically replied "yes", I told her to call the pizza place for takeout. Hilarity ensued, reducing her to tears. She didn't know any other way to get pizza than ordering it online. The idea of using her cell phone was foreign to her, as was the concept of calling Information with the city, state, and name of business. She literally couldn't even feed herself without an internet connection.

      This is the future generation people: Just like the Robo-warrior creatures in Avengers, the moment you cut the connection they go limp and/or explode. So laugh at the problems of tech compatibility and point out the obvious utility and simplicity of a pen and paper, but it's no laughing matter for the next generation. We've raised a generation incapable of functioning any other way.

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    3. Re:Which tablets? by bigmo · · Score: 1

      70% of students have LaTeX installed?

    4. Re:Which tablets? by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

      Disclaimer: all figures pulled from thin air. If only I'd had a tablet handy, I could have found the real figures...

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    5. Re:Which tablets? by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but your sister is just stupid. My 8 year old nephew is fully aware that the the Internet isn't everything and that landlines tend to work even when there is no power. He's fully capable of ordering from any place on the list of numbers hanging off the fridge as long as you provide him with some way to pay.

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    6. Re:Which tablets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but only 7% realize it wasn't some sort of fetish video loader.

    7. Re:Which tablets? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Seriously stupid.

      My 7 yr old knows there's a bunch of restaurants & grocery stores 2 miles away, and that he can bike there.

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    8. Re:Which tablets? by egranlund · · Score: 1

      Most of my professors upload all of their slides to the school CMS for all students to download. So if you really need it, you can already do this.

  4. Video Standards by vlpronj · · Score: 2

    I think "standardization of video standards" would be the biggest bugbear here - which college student will want to avoid a device that uses the latest Retina display or equivalent, if it means the 640x480, or equivalent "low-end" spec of the time will look either tiny or crappy on their screen? Look back a few years - we had the VGA "standard", XGA, WGA, etc., then the whole 4:3, 16:9, or 16:10 aspect ratio shift.

  5. OpenAFS by Rich0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, sure. Ever try to actually get it working? Good luck doing that on iOS - it is a royal pain on Linux, let alone Windows.

    The sad thing is that OpenAFS is the only networked POSIX filesystem I'm aware of that actually works reasonably well and is secure. Pity that nobody actually uses it. NFSv4 with all the features enabled looks to be almost as good, and just as painful to set up.

    Why is it that I can take any Windows box and right click on a folder and turn on sharing, enter a password, and get something that is fairly secure, and yet the same feature does not exist on Linux? Sure, for a fortune 500 company setting up Kerberos and such makes sense, but to share a few files between two PCs?

    1. Re:OpenAFS by robmv · · Score: 3, Informative

      You know It exist, it is called Samba. Install, add the resource to share to the configuration file (or use the distribution GUI for it) and done. Samba is not only for Windows interoperability, it works perfectly between Linux boxes, it even has protocol extensions for better *nix interoperability. then if you need a real secure setup for your company, then use NFS with Kerberos

    2. Re:OpenAFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. OpenAFS is heavily used in many many fortune 500 companies, I can attest to that personally. Not really something you want for a few tens of machines, but if you have 50,000+ machines NFS (every version) just completely fails. It just isn't that scalable.

      2. You can just right click on a folder in Linux and select share. Gnome supported this integration for at least the last 5 years. You can even set a password for it. It is not always enabled, and your choice of WM may not offer it, but it is there (on Ubuntu it is enabled by default).

      Anon because I can't login from work.

    3. Re:OpenAFS by alen · · Score: 1

      i bet a college can easily cut a deal with dropbox or google for massive amounts of storage and add it to your tuition. file system problem solved

    4. Re:OpenAFS by zerosomething · · Score: 1

      There is an App for that. iYFS but it costs $3.99. OpenAFS is really a joke in this day with things like Box available. Even SharePoint lets you have WebDAV access from your i-A devices.

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    5. Re:OpenAFS by zerosomething · · Score: 2

      It's called BOX and it's there for your University if you want. http://www.internet2.edu/news/pr/2011.10.04.box.html

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    6. Re:OpenAFS by terpri · · Score: 1

      "Nobody actually uses it"? Listing /afs, I see AFS cells at MIT, Stanford, Harvard, CMU, Cornell... and I know my local universities use it internally, although their AFS space isn't publicly accessible. It might not be popular in corporate environments, but it appears to be very much in use at American universities.

      Re: iOS and other proprietary platforms, you could use a WebDAV client. The mod_waklog Apache module allows HTTPS users to authenticate via Kerberos, which means that WebDAV access works with OpenAFS.

    7. Re:OpenAFS by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I think he was saying nobody (on the client side) actually uses it.

      And it's pretty much true.
      http://information-technology.web.cern.ch/services/fe/afs/howto/openafs-mobile-iphone-ipad-android-windows-phone

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    8. Re:OpenAFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samba?

    9. Re:OpenAFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The described Windows procedure will not work. Windows will need a user account created with a password. It will need correct filesystem permissions to allow read access to the filesystem with that user account. You will need to modify the share permissions to allow read access for that user account. Latency and packet loss between the two machines must be reasonably low and all network settings must be correct. Data would be passed in the clear unless IPSec was configured. Depending upon the versions of Windows involved and their security options, the password may be passed insecurely.

    10. Re:OpenAFS by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      "Nobody actually uses it"? Listing /afs, I see AFS cells at MIT, Stanford, Harvard, CMU, Cornell... and I know my local universities use it internally, although their AFS space isn't publicly accessible. It might not be popular in corporate environments, but it appears to be very much in use at American universities.

      That means nothing more than SOMEBODY at a bunch of universities uses it. I doubt the average undergrad at those institutions uses it for anything.

  6. Brick and Mortar May Be Doomed by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

    I now do much of my shopping online. If I want a pair of Levi 501's, it doesn''t matter where they come from. As long as it is convenient and cheap. This is what has been dooming many brick and mortar stores. If this is true for stores, it may be more so for brick and mortar schools. With online courses and lectures, much of the need to waste gas money and driving time has evaporated too. My youngest son is taking college math classes and more online from an good University. The cost is far lower for him and class size is almost irrelevant. This goes way beyond white boards and tablets.

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    1. Re:Brick and Mortar May Be Doomed by jkflying · · Score: 1

      So you never try on shoes or clothes before buying them? You never see whether the screen of a smartphone is actually bright enough, or whether the interface is smooth? You never need to ask somebody a question because the explanation they gave was ambiguous or vague?

      Online interactions are great for a lot of things, and certainly have lower overheads, but there are certain things that are still a lot better with real-live-in-the-flesh experiences.

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  7. Missing the point entirely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It shows that this guy is from IT/administration and not a teacher.

    Projector/smartboard/blackboard serve completely different purpose than a textbook/tablet/notebook in the classroom. It is sad that someone who is in charge of this stuff doesn't have a clue how these things are actually used.

    1. Re:Missing the point entirely by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily... tablet/notebook can be used like a projector/smartboard/blackboard. If the professor is using a set of tools (I don't know any names) he could set up that whatever gets shown on the smart-board also show up on the tablet. Like as he's writing an equation or circling a picture for a slide. In which case, some users might prefer looking at that (and being able to zoom it and such) than sitting in the back of a packed class-room and not being able to make everything out on the screen.

      I'm not saying it's a good idea... but a tablet CAN serve multiple function types. Sure: on one hand it's good for reading source material (e-books, websites, dictionary listings, etc) but it can ALSO be used as a personal "screen" for the professor to push what he's doing.

      Sure, a lot of the above is reduced if the class room is set up in a smart way AND if the professor makes solid + legible slides AND writes in large enough text on the blackboard / smartboard. But my experience, 1 or more of those conditions is usually faulty even with seasoned professors.

    2. Re:Missing the point entirely by gtirloni · · Score: 1

      In which case, some users might prefer looking at that (and being able to zoom it and such) than sitting in the back of a packed class-room and not being able to make everything out on the screen.

      Let's face the truth here, students will be playing Facebook games and that's it.

      A big board converges the classroom attention to a single point and people interact as in a group. Each student with his/her own tablet is just an island. They are enough island outside the classroom already (look a group of student, I bet 70% are looking down to their smartphones).

      I know many teachers and they all hate when student keep playing with tablets and smartphones in the classroom.

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    3. Re:Missing the point entirely by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Let's face the truth here, students will be playing Facebook games and that's it.

      That is almost universally a fault of the teacher.

      Some students will wonder off and do things they shouldn't. Most however will pay attention IF and ONLY IF the teacher is capable of properly teaching students and keeping them focused.

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    4. Re:Missing the point entirely by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      This.

      If a student is bored, it's the teacher's fault.

      Stop whining, do better.

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    5. Re:Missing the point entirely by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      oh noes if only there was a way to control web access in a network that we have total control over.

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    6. Re:Missing the point entirely by gtirloni · · Score: 1

      Not everyone can afford (or are allowed to have) a cellphone jamming device. That's how you have total control over how your students access the Internet, right?

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    7. Re:Missing the point entirely by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      It's somewhat the fault of both parties.

      As a student... you're going to school. SOMEONE is paying for it one-way or the other so it's a waste of time and money to zone-out / play-games / day-dream / etc. Also, it's just plain silly... you should KNOW the content for your future instead of just focusing on the diploma. It's your responsibility to try to do your best.

      But... as a professor... you need to make it engaging. I had SOME professors that appear to have modeled themselves after Ben Stein's famous scene in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" God awfully boring. Meanwhile professors teaching that exactly-same class-number on a different day made it interesting and fun. It's your job to teach; which includes stimulating the students' minds. Teaching is NOT just repeating paragraphs from a pamphlet in a monotonous voice while the students read-on.

      What stinks is when it's for a 101 class... that's the student's main introduction into a topic. If you bore them, you are either going to make them hate the rest of the topic while they're in college or they might change their minds about their majors. While a GOOD professor will keep them interested and want them to continue actually learning the topic. The 101 course teaches the fundamentals, without them you are going to have a hard time; so the better you teach them the better they will do.

    8. Re:Missing the point entirely by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      um, we're talking about tablets and their use in a classroom where we have direct control over the wifi network. We aren't talking about cellphones which regardless of the movement to tablets will always be present. Now if you're one of those anal professors you can do what anal profs have always done and require everybody to drop off their cells at the front of the class.

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  8. only by erdraug · · Score: 1

    "colleges will be able to dump all the 'smart' classroom tools and (...) will only need to support students' tablets"

    Only? So that's how many OSs again? iOS, a bunch of android versions, linux flavour, firefoxOS, firefoxOS, chromeOS, sailfish, i've lost track. I'm sure their IT departments will be thrilled to ONLY support tablets.

    1. Re:only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since iOS represents >80% of tablets, it'll be the iPad.

      Just like Windows was the only accepted/supported option for a decade.

  9. OpenAFS REally? by CajunArson · · Score: 1

    " I think the issue of file storage was solved by openafs a long time ago, certainly at the scale of small University."

    LMFAO... and yes, I am a Carnegie Mellon Alum and yes, when I was in Grad School I did manage to hack my research Linux box enough to be able to mount my Andrew share. Having seen how people who aren't in grad school at CMU actually use computers in the real world, somebody needs a bit of a wakeup call.

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    1. Re:OpenAFS REally? by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      It took me just a few minutes to set it up on OSX using MacFUSE. Was very simple. I agree it was a bit more complicated on Linux, but if it's packaged correctly and someone makes a nice configuration tool, then it should be simple there too.

    2. Re:OpenAFS REally? by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 1

      On most distros, openafs 1.6.x will install with $packagemanager $installcmd openafs-client. Before 1.6, installation could be a bit hairy (a few bits of manual config, kerberos needed manual local configuration), but nowadays basically everything autoconfigures through dns and you really only need to set a default realm/cell (even then, just for convenience). I hear the 1.7.x branch has made huge strides for Windows users too.

      I think openafs gets a bad rap because pre-1.4 was kind of a pain to set up, and the early 1.4.x releases were pretty buggy (my cell directly inspired several of the early releases since we were just getting going and took the plunge early on). Nowadays (as in the last five years) it Just Works (tm) for the most part (certainly true of the client, and as true as it can be for a complicated UNIX server for the fileserver).

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    3. Re:OpenAFS REally? by ssam · · Score: 1

      while AFS is great at some things, it has some limitations. we use it for home directories on our linux work stations and compute nodes here.

      however some things are strangely slow, i think because for various operations the AFS server has to inform all connect clients. for example exiting vim takes takes about 10 to 30 seconds. also it assumes that your computer is always online.if you install it on a laptop, and then disconnect from the network some applications will lockup because think they should still be able to read something.

    4. Re:OpenAFS REally? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Or like tablets coming & going from the local network where the AFS server is located.

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  10. why pay when you can make your students pay? by alen · · Score: 1

    why pay for expensive hardware and software and support when you can just make your students buy the required hardware?

    by now most android tablets and the ipad are at pretty much feature parity with almost all the popular software available on both platforms

    you don't need widgets or live wallpaper or the ability to enable/disable your radios easily to do school work

  11. Big trackpads by fermion · · Score: 1
    Smartboards are really just big trackpads. The reason they are so popular is that some believe you need a smartboard to project. For years I projected on regular whiteboard and just wrote on the white board. There are subject where have the large surface of the board as a trackpad is useful. I have seen very few people actually use the tools that come with smartboards, such as the ability to record the motions so a student can recreated a lecture later. Some believe there is some benifit to have a kid come up to the board and do a problem, and that is one thing a smart board allows.

    The technology to replace the smart board is already out there. Most phones and tablets have an app that will act as a mouse, allowing the instructor to roam the room while moving through a presentation and writing. Wireless writing pads allow a student to do the same from anywhere in the room.

    The advantage of each student having a tablet, of course, is that a student may view a presentation closeup, interact with assessment using things like polleverywhere, as well a engage in impromptu content. The disadvantage is that a certain percentage of the student will be updating their facebook and playing WoW, but that is nothing new and why so many colleges have high drop out rates.

    All this, however, can be a supplement to the smartboard. The real problem is that the people who make the actual Smartboard are very proud of the their product, have really tightened licensing. To be honest, the software is what makes the smartboard worthwhile, but, as I said, most people don't use the software. In the long ago it was because teacher were not trained in using it, now it is rich web content.

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  12. Terrible idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the main problems with this idea is that while tablets may certainly offer a good way for professors to guide students, they also come with a plethora of non-educational distractions (i.e., games and the Internet). I use lots of technology in my classroom and students frequently study Internet topics, but in the classroom itself all electronics are banned except those used by me. Students just cannot resist the distraction offered by cell phones and laptops, and classroom discussion suffers as a result.

  13. Cell phone cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tablets didn't kill smartboards - cell phone cameras did. I've been in over 100 different client boardrooms and seen dozens of smartboard setups, but I've never actually seen one that worked properly. A plain whiteboard and a cell phone camera, on the other hand, capture the notes very simply and effectively. It may not be the fanciest solution but it's by far the most convenient.

  14. Why dont they.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dump the professors as well, that way we can get knowledgable people to teach, who know their topic and can do it remotely costing far less than the bloated salaries tenure gives.

    Make college affordable again..

    1. Re:Why dont they.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, professors have dedicated their lives to studying the topic, they are the experts. Their salaries are usually terrible for their educational level, skill-sets, and the sheer number of hours they put in each week. College tuition is on the rise because of drastically decreased state funding and bloat of useless administrators who make far more than the faculty do.

    2. Re:Why dont they.... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Bullshit.

      Professors tend to make someone else do most of their work while they fuck off doing something interesting instead of teaching. Their salaries are 'terrible' due to simple economics. Many people want to have the university pay them to 'research' shit ... oh and teach one class or maybe two per semester using a plan that was cooked up 30 years ago. They then pass off as much work as possible to a TA.

      Admins make more because they actually do more work, and its work that no one really wants to do, hence not a massive supply of people that will do it and the price stays up.

      Teachers and professors make what they make because they are easy to replace.

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  15. nope by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    Most wireless routers can only support 50 clients at a time and that's in theory on the specs, not in practice. So unless they want RF-proof walls and 1 router per classroom, and no other 2.4GHz devices in the entire school, I think there might just be a little problem getting them on the network to stream course materials and presentations. So no, tablets in every students' is an idiotic idea that won't work.

    1. Re:nope by ssam · · Score: 1

      can OLPC mesh networking solve this? maybe not if everything is in range of the router.

    2. Re:nope by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      What school are you going to that isn't already blanketed with real WAPs? No, not your shitty Linksys from CheapBoxStore, actual wifi networks setup for proper roaming between WAPs.

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    3. Re:nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My college uses Cisco Aironet, one per classroom. And the WiFi barely crawls when 30 students start their laptops to download presentations and demos. Their mobile phones connect to WiFi too, so that doesn't help.

      And I won't start on the bright idea of our college management, of using Citrix VDI over that network (first in our small East European country). To be honest, they skipped smart boards part, went from normal blackboards directly to VDI.

    4. Re:nope by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? My wife goes to the University of Texas. Last I checked there are 40,000 or more students on campus every day. There is campus-wide free wi-fi so why wouldn't any one of the classrooms be able to support 50 clients at a time?

  16. I teach Maya at our local community college by rimcrazy · · Score: 1

    There is no way I can get rid of the ceiling projector and the link to my laptop. There is an instructors desktop that is hooked to the projector also but I choose to use my own laptop as I have all of my lessons on that machine. I give demonstrations and tutorials all the time and work students questions live so they can see how I solved particular problems. I need to be able to show this to students. Now, we could get rid of the projector if there existed a way for me to privately share my screen with all of the tablets in the classroom all at the same time. Maybe something out there exist where I can do that but I'm not aware of it. Oh, and BTW, tablets are a LONG way away from being able to run Maya so for the immediate future at least, my particular need for a portable high end workstation is not going to go away either.

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  17. It will kill smartboards by Nalanthi · · Score: 1

    I don't think that tablets are going to kill all of the elements of the smart classroom, particularly the projector, which is still way to useful. But it will kill many of them. The smartboard is dead. Ded. I use my iPad and my projector along with the Doceri software. My solution was 1/2 price of the smartboard in the classroom next door, and allows me to roam around the room while presenting. I can also create my presentations wherever my iPad is as opposed to needing to be in the room with the smartboard or at a PC with specialized software.

    Instead of clickers I simply have all of the students twitter answers to me. Since it is not graded, it is ok if some student forgot to charge their phone on a particular day. I do have a couple of iPod Touches for use by students who don't have a phone that can tweet.

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  18. You need a TARDIS to "move forward" in time by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

    Any fucktard who can't use the simple phrase "in the future" is spouting buzzwords and can safely be ignored. Clear enough?

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  19. Re:Unions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    College faculty are almost never unionized. Your comment is just plain ignorant.

  20. done and done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This kind of system has already been integrated into some of the more technically competent medical schools.

  21. Blackboards are that good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was teaching, both in high school and in college, I used the blackboard.
    It is very efficient and powerful.
    I don't need to charge the blackboard, it doesn't have bugs, it works the same every classroom/school I go to and I can invite students to the board to do some work and they can use it easily to.
    All students can just copy it, make a picture of it, videotape it, whatever is their own personal preference.

    Add a projector to show some things with my computer and I have everything I need to teach.
    Haven't used a smart board so can't really judge on that, but the concept is simple:

    A blackboard is an easy tool for the teacher/school, getting the information from it is the students problem. Notebooks/tablets/... and getting the information on them is suddenly the schools/teachers problem. And really, there simply is no time for a teacher to occupy him/herself with that.

    1. Re:Blackboards are that good by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the phrase "Those who can't...teach" is true. Teachers generally shun technology in their classrooms because of an unwillingness to learn or adapt. This is the problem with "classic" education is that teachers and school boards are unwilling to prepare students for the future because they use the tools of the past.

      I also disagree with the statement that a teacher does not have enough time to get information onto computers. While I agree there have not been many great tools out there, once you are in an electronic environment this should reduce the overhead of marking and lesson planning greatly.

      Also shunning technology completely leaves you without access to content already widely available to enhance the classroom experience.

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    2. Re:Blackboards are that good by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      And the phrase, "painting with a broad brush" is also unfortunately true.

  22. Technology - Moving the expense to customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As with most cutting edge tech, it's chief use is to push the expensive part downstream.
    For NewsPapers, printing press cost a lot of money.
    Much cheaper to produce a web site and have people go there instead of wasting all the expensive newsprint.
    Why put tech in the class room when you can require students to provide it themselves?

  23. Like riding the bus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is like saying that we can do away with all those expensive school busses since everyone is going to have fancy new electric cars. The bus is how we bring together a group of students and take them somewhere together.
    If you look at a classroom there is a very large surface at the front of the room that the teacher uses to collect the attention of everyone in the room and then take them somewhere together. This is not the same experience when everyone is looking down at their tablets.
    Now how about tablets (or anything else for that matter) that can automatically sync with the smart board (or it's future replacement) -- that would be excellent. No more madly writing down notes, students can instead spend their time watching and listening.

  24. OFFS by KalvinB · · Score: 2

    oh for ... sake.

    The SmartBoard physical device can be replaced with a $50 Wiimote ($20 clone) and infrared light pen ($30)

    The SmartBoard software, on the other hand, is what you're really paying for.

    Here's a free alternative to the software:

    http://open-sankore.org/

    The only person who we should even consider giving tech to is the teacher.

    What kills the SmartBoard and tablets in the class is the low resolution. It's like drawing with a crayon. And it's difficult to face the students when using it.

    I've found the best alternative is a simple document camera that can be built with an HD webcam (requires a minimum 1024x768 projector as well) and some free software I wrote. And yes, I used this in an actual classroom during my student teaching.

    http://coteach.org/1000-classroom/

    I put together the $1000 classroom to try this stuff out. Give me a steady supply of dry erase markers for students to use and a document camera and I'm happy. With the document camera I can sit or stand facing the students while I write. And everyone can see clearly what I'm writing. For student interaction, they come up and write on the board.

    But, this is why I'm not rich. I'm not in the business of selling overpriced worthless crap to the education system.

  25. Agreed by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2

    Having worked for a "smart" board maker a few years ago, we did a study that dealt with a problem where most teachers used their fancy new expensive interactive smart board as nothing more then a second monitor and glorified projector, if even at all. Our software tracks board touches and saw that there was very little user interaction. In the same study we saw a huge proliferation in the use of tablets in schools which are highly interactive and touchable.

    The reality is that the education systems are slowly changing away from the 100's year old paradigm of people lecturing to a new concept of students "exploring" education at their own pace. Not all students learn at the same pace, some students learn math and logic faster then language, others the opposite. Forcing all students to study the same subject matter at the same time is why schools are good at creating failures rather then successes. A child that doesn't do math by grade 3 should not be considered remedial, for instance, and thus shunted to a system of lower expectations, their math skills may have clicked in later in development and could be as or even more proficient then anyone else that learned math earlier.

    So, the concept of a fixed focal point for a classroom is slowly eroding to more student-centric learning. The idea of self-guided learning is an emerging concept in many schools where the curriculum is a serious of self-guided lessons where the "teacher" is there to help students understand the lessons when they struggle.

    The problem with the company I worked for (and why I left) was that in spite of having this study and seeing their product tucked away in a corner being unused, they still insist on creating single focal point solutions for the classroom and only loosely investing into tablet based solutions. Sure the concepts of collaboration and interactivity between students is important, but not necessarily the only way to proceed with education. Smart boards are still expensive and often underutilized and in spite of some initial interest level from students, quickly become bored with the technology, unlike tablets.

    Better integration between smart boards and tablets would be the only way to save this company, but alas, is being greatly overlooked.

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    1. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, to summarize what you said, one teacher teaching lessons to a group of students at different developmental levels is inferior to one-on-one teaching.

      I think we can all agree on that.

  26. Camtasia, Evernote, Graphics tablet, mic by javamage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been recording and posting my lectures at JHU using Camtasia for many years...

    I whiteboard using a graphics tablet (Wacom Bamboo fun, drawing ink notes on Evernote). I write code examples on the fly in Eclipse (and if Android apps, run them in an emulator or use droid@screen to mirror). I surf to websites. When I rarely have slides, I show them. Everything I say (using a headset mic) and do is recorded using Camtasia. After class I do some minor edits and post the videos and example code from the class on the course website after class.

    Much less expensive than a smartboard (even moreso if you use alternate recording software), and the students love it (almost everyone comments on it in the evals)

    • * They can review the entire lecture easily
    • * They can focus on what I'm currently saying, rather than on writing down what I just said (some still take notes, but they're much more top-level outline than all the details). This has greatly increased the flow of the class.
    • * If a student cannot come to class, they can still see everything that I did
    • * It allows me to review what I've said in previous terms

    I'm a little surprised that the students still come to class... I suspect it's because they like being able to ask questions and interact with the other students.

  27. Forced to by tablets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Question to slashdotters, mostly because I think the majority here are either college educated, in college, or likely to head to college. If you walked into a classroom and they did not have whiteboards, chalk boards, or an overhead projector, and instead required you to download an app (even if it's Android or an iPad app), what would you think? I ask because I'm finishing my Masters now and I'm in my early 30's. When I was in college, I was old school, handwritten notes in a notebook, and even today I still operate that way. I occasionally bring my laptop to class, but admit the temptation is strong to not pay attention so I often do not. I notice at most 2 or 3 people in a class of 20-30 have and are using a tablet to take notes.

    So if you went into a class like I described above, someone like me would be forced to by a tablet in order to take the class. What is your opinion about that?

  28. A tablet with a stylus by sjbe · · Score: 1

    With a Smart board he can progress through solving the equation, while what he is writing is either projected, and/or automatically recorded so it can be played back later.

    You can do that with a pen based computer too. I've actually seen people do it reasonably effectively with a pen based Windows machine that was projected.

    A tablet would be the perfect tool for certain types of presentations (think math class) and especially for note taking IF someone would develop one that could actually make good use of a stylus. (no one has yet) Fingers aren't very good at writing mathematical equations or entering text. Typing is fine if you just have text but no drawings or equations. But if you need drawings and/or equations nothing has yet been developed that improves on a pen and paper for input.

    I understand why Apple and Google don't do it but I'd dearly love an iPad or Android tablet that I could take notes with. They are being dogmatic about the interface being just finger based because of all the really bad pen based apps that would be out there but we're missing out on a really useful tool as a result.

  29. The reliavility factor and chalk boards by sdguero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had several professors who had classes moved to get older rooms with chalk boards 10 years ago. The main complaints I heard were that dry erase boards were hard to clean, the markers were more expensive/dried out/missing/bigger, and that the dry erase boards had to be replaced every 2-3 years if they were used a lot. These professors (some of the best I had, including an amazing CS prof) put up with all short comings of chalk (like breathing in all that nasty dust) because chalk had never left them stranded MULTIPLE TIMES in front of there classes the way dry erase boards had.

  30. silly by bcrowell · · Score: 2

    I'm a college professor.

    The clickers, which are expensive for students, were never needed in the first place. The people who pioneered this teaching technique started by having students raise hands to vote. They observed that some students were reluctant to be embarrassed in front of their peers by raising their hands for a choice that might be wrong, so they handed out large cardboard cards with letters ABCD on them. Students held up the card so only the professor could see. Worked great. The clickers are a waste of money for students, and the extra functionality they make possible is extremely minimal in proportion to the cost.

    The idea of only supporting students' tablets is silly. It may be true at the University of Spoiled Children that basically everyone owns a laptop or tablet and brings it to school, but I assure you that that's not true at the community college where I teach. My students are generall extremely cheap and extremely broke. The projector works great. It's up at the front of the room where everyone can see it. If I need to point to it, I can pick up a meter stick and point. If I depend on students to have tablets, then at any given time some big percentage of them will be off task for a variety of reasons: don't own one, didn't bring it to school, dead batteries, using it to play games, doesn't have the right browser plugin, doesn't have enough resolution, wifi isn't working, ...