That, and therapy with teenagers can backfire really badly, esp when the therapists feel they are working for the parents or the school's interests rather then the troubled teen.
I knew quite a few people who DID get therapy for things that were happening to them. About half came out of the experience worse and will never go to a psych again. Some won't even go see doctors anymore.
See, now what I would be curious to see is what the PS2 sales looked like this christmass. Considering new games are still comming out for that console, I could easily imagine sales being rather brisk even against the 7th gen consoles.
I had glaced at the wikipedia article and somehow read "MechWarrior 3 was the first MechWarrior game not develped by Activision." as "MechWarrior 3 was develped by Activision."
I have to agree, it was also my favorite. Unfortunatly due to a math bug it can not run on newer processors so it is going to be a coaster from now on;-;
(1) How is it bullshit?
Differnt model of proudction of artwork which the parent brought up as something second life could move _twards_, holding it up as an example of positive inovation. I disagreed.
(2) What is wrong with intellectual masturbation?
Much of the discussion here is playing ideas about how economies can and should work. Second Life has a economy that could be considered more primitive then the our current IRL one, thus exploring other earlier models makes perfect sense.
Who said anything about starving to death? We were talking about the economics of patron-artist vs customer-artist.
Within the specific example, I do not think anyone, independent of time, is going to be starving, freezing, or killed by animals because they can't afford a book. But it DOES makea quality of life difference.
Oh, there is still plenty of scarcity in this case....
(1) Energy - takes a lot of electricity to do all this. (2) Raw Materials - if you want a 10 kilo gold statue, you still need 10 kilos of gold atoms (3) Land - finite resource that people are still going to want. (4) Power - people want power over eachother, and this will always be fore sale.
I am not sure those are good things in the least! Humanity did NOT do 'well enough' for most of history in this regard.
The feudal erra was terrible for anyone except the upper crust having access to things like books and paintings.
Spreading the cost of producing a book out via mass-production brought reading to the masses. I can go out and get a paperback for about 7 bucks, while if I were going to be a 'patron of the arts' and have a book custom made for me, it would run into the thousands per book, and that would be for a starving artist who would be happy to wash your car as a bonus.
So yeah, the past was great if you were part of that 1% who were very, very wealthy. The rest of us did not do so hot. Personally commisioned artwork has always been a nitch market that has a romantic appeal to those who can either afford to buy it and artists who dream of being one of those elite arists who can find a patron that wants their art more then sexual favors.
The problem with a system like this is it tends to collapse. You have a small number of people who are willing to pay a high price for custom commissioned work, then that work is copied by others for nothing. The person who paid for the work feels jipped because what they commissioned is no longer unique, resulting in less and less work for the artist.
This system can work well for a very small number of 'super-artists', but it drives out everyone else pretty quickly.
Our customers do and we know it. Thier upgrade cycle is built into our planning and cost structure, so it works out.
I think the number I tend to hear is for any given year, about two thirds of our software is used copies being reused rather then new.
Actually, I have found many of the 'get a real life' people are those who do well at life. Many seem to either: (a) can not understand how others might not do as well as them (or enjoy the types of interactions they enjoy) (b) want those 'losers' visible and around so they have someone to be doing better then. After all, what good is your place in the social order if you do not have most people benieth you?
I work for a small game dev studio.
I almost always by used, partly because I browse the used rack and go 'oh! I remember that game I never played! 10 bucks, sure, I'll give it a try'.
If I am really interseted in a game I'll buy it new but that is pretty rare (GalCiv 2 would be such an example).
I never sell my old games though.
Because in any buisness other then web muck, having someone come up and say 'hey! I can increase your customer base by 5% via software alone!' is something companies pay quite a bit of attention to.
It does more to attract paying students, but not nessesarily 'good' students.
I would be very surprised if 'foodball stadium' listed high on the reasons for attending among the students who go on to do well in ways that reflect on the university.
I do not know about xbox, but everyone I know who has modded thier playstations did it to play imports. I have not met anyone who bothered to pirate games.
It was only Score: 1 when I saw it. Ok, so other people got the joke and I didn't. Fine.
I actually HAVE delt with people who will say things like that in dead seriousness (my gf's father for instance ties almost anything back to the 'liberal conspiracy'). Similiar to 'hey! let's bomb all muslims into oblibion!' to some people is obvious farse because it's so out there, untill you start meeting people IRL who actually say that then you quickly can't tell who is kidding and who is serious.
So I appologise to the GP for going off at the peep, but I am still displeased at the 'it must be the reader's fault entirely' attitude. I was attempting to point out that text does not always communicate all that well (didn't slashdot have a thread about that a few months back?) and thus miscommunication happens.
Ah, I love how when people do not 'get the joke' is is the reader's fault, not the writer's.
For any given text communication there is about a 50% chance that people will NOT get whatever feeling you are trying to express that is nice and obvious to you but is not nessesarly communicated through text alone.
Parental responsiblity is a liberal kneejerk reaction?
I take it pointing out that abusing your kid causes problems is also a typical liberal reaction? Of course it couldn't be the years of abuse that led to problem. No, whoever has the deepest pockets, they must be the ones who caused the crime. Of course! Only commies believe otherwise!
There is no 'fundemental point' of this case outside JT finding another tragity to attach himself too and allow some victims to feel that they can go punish someone who can make them rich.
nicely put ^_^ if I could mod you up I would.
Therapy has backfired several times for her (it is amazing just how much damage a therapist who does not have the patient's best interests in mind can do) but we have explored trying to find a good therapist to work on it. Though it is amazing how many therapsists (publicly funded ones in this case, or ones who's paycheck does not come from the patient) also use the 'just get over it' line and then don't really help beyond that.
And I have to take some issue with the previous person's idea that not 'getting over it' make her evil.
Whole scale of abuse out there, from normal shitty day stuff, to an enviroment that really damages someone. Surviving the former does not give one the perspective to say that the latter should be just as easy.
*nods* same here.
I was more responding to the general concept rather then this specific shooting since, honestly, I have not been following this one all that much and know little to no details about it.
*sigh* Look, calling someone patheticly immoral does you no good.
People like to simplify stuff like this, but it isn't so. The type of mentality and situation that result in people loosing it and going on a killing spree are NOT simple, and often much of the rage they feel has some real source. It does not simply come from nowhere, and the victims of the shooting did have a hand in creating the situation. When things get bad enough that you start blaming the structure as a whole, people who support and benifit from the system that is generating the abuse feel like ligit targets. They do not appear innocent, they feel at worst bystandards that let things get that bad. This is esp true when it is popular, protected people doing the abusing, since it is the general student population who GIVE them that power and then refuse to take it away.
Does that make going postal the right solution? No, it doesn't. Not even remotely. (though your 'bring in the police' example is worrying since often in bullying, esp at the high school level, authority figures will generally not help you, and often dump even more blame on the victim with 'well, if you were normal then everyone would like you' BS, which amplifies the problem. in college unless it is a physical threat, they will just ignore you or, if they are on-campus police, might act much like the HS level authorities) But I find it equaly disturbing that instead of addressing the structural problems that lead to this, people just pull out the 'it was just one sick person' card as if that explains everything away and absolves everyone who had a hand, however minor it was, in the events leading up to it. It lets us protect the image of our darling children and friends (or any ingroup) because they 'can do no wrong' and externalize our problems to 'others' and continue to blame whatever one can as long as it never circles back.
If we want to talk relative girlfriends. Mine went through significant amounts of 'outsider' abuse in both highschool and college (ended up snapping in college) and has had terrible memories and nightmares about that ever since too. And for every person who will have to live through the terror of _ONE_ day and it's memories, there are probably dozens of people who have to remember thousands of days of abuse and fear, and no one cares. They don't get support from their college, or other students, they usually either collapse mentally, kill themselves, or try to kill others. But in general few really care what happens to them and all the stuff that caused it is not considered immoral at all. They are just 'weak' or 'sick' people.
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I am getting a little tired of this cop-out.
But of course, it is never the consumer's fault, or marketing's fault, or management's fault. All of those are 'real' people.
That, and therapy with teenagers can backfire really badly, esp when the therapists feel they are working for the parents or the school's interests rather then the troubled teen.
I knew quite a few people who DID get therapy for things that were happening to them. About half came out of the experience worse and will never go to a psych again. Some won't even go see doctors anymore.
See, now what I would be curious to see is what the PS2 sales looked like this christmass. Considering new games are still comming out for that console, I could easily imagine sales being rather brisk even against the 7th gen consoles.
Wait... are you basicly saying 'because glitches happen, it is ok for malfunctioning microsoft software to intentionally damager my data'?
This isn't a glitch, it is intentional but poorly thought out behavior that could really end up hurting users.
Heh. Yep, my bad.
;-;
I had glaced at the wikipedia article and somehow read "MechWarrior 3 was the first MechWarrior game not develped by Activision." as "MechWarrior 3 was develped by Activision."
I have to agree, it was also my favorite. Unfortunatly due to a math bug it can not run on newer processors so it is going to be a coaster from now on
Are you sure you are not thinking Mechwarrior 4 here?
Mechwarrior 3 was Activision.
(1) How is it bullshit? Differnt model of proudction of artwork which the parent brought up as something second life could move _twards_, holding it up as an example of positive inovation. I disagreed. (2) What is wrong with intellectual masturbation? Much of the discussion here is playing ideas about how economies can and should work. Second Life has a economy that could be considered more primitive then the our current IRL one, thus exploring other earlier models makes perfect sense.
Who said anything about starving to death? We were talking about the economics of patron-artist vs customer-artist.
Within the specific example, I do not think anyone, independent of time, is going to be starving, freezing, or killed by animals because they can't afford a book. But it DOES makea quality of life difference.
Oh, there is still plenty of scarcity in this case....
(1) Energy - takes a lot of electricity to do all this.
(2) Raw Materials - if you want a 10 kilo gold statue, you still need 10 kilos of gold atoms
(3) Land - finite resource that people are still going to want.
(4) Power - people want power over eachother, and this will always be fore sale.
I am not sure those are good things in the least! Humanity did NOT do 'well enough' for most of history in this regard.
The feudal erra was terrible for anyone except the upper crust having access to things like books and paintings.
Spreading the cost of producing a book out via mass-production brought reading to the masses. I can go out and get a paperback for about 7 bucks, while if I were going to be a 'patron of the arts' and have a book custom made for me, it would run into the thousands per book, and that would be for a starving artist who would be happy to wash your car as a bonus.
So yeah, the past was great if you were part of that 1% who were very, very wealthy. The rest of us did not do so hot. Personally commisioned artwork has always been a nitch market that has a romantic appeal to those who can either afford to buy it and artists who dream of being one of those elite arists who can find a patron that wants their art more then sexual favors.
The problem with a system like this is it tends to collapse. You have a small number of people who are willing to pay a high price for custom commissioned work, then that work is copied by others for nothing. The person who paid for the work feels jipped because what they commissioned is no longer unique, resulting in less and less work for the artist.
This system can work well for a very small number of 'super-artists', but it drives out everyone else pretty quickly.
I can not find a reference ATM, but to the best of my knowledge that went out when the US stopped using the gold standard.
Can we then leave her behind?
Pretty please?
Our customers do and we know it. Thier upgrade cycle is built into our planning and cost structure, so it works out. I think the number I tend to hear is for any given year, about two thirds of our software is used copies being reused rather then new.
Actually, I have found many of the 'get a real life' people are those who do well at life. Many seem to either:
(a) can not understand how others might not do as well as them (or enjoy the types of interactions they enjoy)
(b) want those 'losers' visible and around so they have someone to be doing better then. After all, what good is your place in the social order if you do not have most people benieth you?
I work for a small game dev studio. I almost always by used, partly because I browse the used rack and go 'oh! I remember that game I never played! 10 bucks, sure, I'll give it a try'. If I am really interseted in a game I'll buy it new but that is pretty rare (GalCiv 2 would be such an example). I never sell my old games though.
Because in any buisness other then web muck, having someone come up and say 'hey! I can increase your customer base by 5% via software alone!' is something companies pay quite a bit of attention to.
It does more to attract paying students, but not nessesarily 'good' students.
I would be very surprised if 'foodball stadium' listed high on the reasons for attending among the students who go on to do well in ways that reflect on the university.
I do not know about xbox, but everyone I know who has modded thier playstations did it to play imports. I have not met anyone who bothered to pirate games.
It was only Score: 1 when I saw it. Ok, so other people got the joke and I didn't. Fine.
I actually HAVE delt with people who will say things like that in dead seriousness (my gf's father for instance ties almost anything back to the 'liberal conspiracy'). Similiar to 'hey! let's bomb all muslims into oblibion!' to some people is obvious farse because it's so out there, untill you start meeting people IRL who actually say that then you quickly can't tell who is kidding and who is serious.
So I appologise to the GP for going off at the peep, but I am still displeased at the 'it must be the reader's fault entirely' attitude. I was attempting to point out that text does not always communicate all that well (didn't slashdot have a thread about that a few months back?) and thus miscommunication happens.
Ah, I love how when people do not 'get the joke' is is the reader's fault, not the writer's.
For any given text communication there is about a 50% chance that people will NOT get whatever feeling you are trying to express that is nice and obvious to you but is not nessesarly communicated through text alone.
Parental responsiblity is a liberal kneejerk reaction? I take it pointing out that abusing your kid causes problems is also a typical liberal reaction? Of course it couldn't be the years of abuse that led to problem. No, whoever has the deepest pockets, they must be the ones who caused the crime. Of course! Only commies believe otherwise! There is no 'fundemental point' of this case outside JT finding another tragity to attach himself too and allow some victims to feel that they can go punish someone who can make them rich.
nicely put ^_^ if I could mod you up I would. Therapy has backfired several times for her (it is amazing just how much damage a therapist who does not have the patient's best interests in mind can do) but we have explored trying to find a good therapist to work on it. Though it is amazing how many therapsists (publicly funded ones in this case, or ones who's paycheck does not come from the patient) also use the 'just get over it' line and then don't really help beyond that. And I have to take some issue with the previous person's idea that not 'getting over it' make her evil. Whole scale of abuse out there, from normal shitty day stuff, to an enviroment that really damages someone. Surviving the former does not give one the perspective to say that the latter should be just as easy.
*nods* same here. I was more responding to the general concept rather then this specific shooting since, honestly, I have not been following this one all that much and know little to no details about it.
*sigh* Look, calling someone patheticly immoral does you no good. People like to simplify stuff like this, but it isn't so. The type of mentality and situation that result in people loosing it and going on a killing spree are NOT simple, and often much of the rage they feel has some real source. It does not simply come from nowhere, and the victims of the shooting did have a hand in creating the situation. When things get bad enough that you start blaming the structure as a whole, people who support and benifit from the system that is generating the abuse feel like ligit targets. They do not appear innocent, they feel at worst bystandards that let things get that bad. This is esp true when it is popular, protected people doing the abusing, since it is the general student population who GIVE them that power and then refuse to take it away. Does that make going postal the right solution? No, it doesn't. Not even remotely. (though your 'bring in the police' example is worrying since often in bullying, esp at the high school level, authority figures will generally not help you, and often dump even more blame on the victim with 'well, if you were normal then everyone would like you' BS, which amplifies the problem. in college unless it is a physical threat, they will just ignore you or, if they are on-campus police, might act much like the HS level authorities) But I find it equaly disturbing that instead of addressing the structural problems that lead to this, people just pull out the 'it was just one sick person' card as if that explains everything away and absolves everyone who had a hand, however minor it was, in the events leading up to it. It lets us protect the image of our darling children and friends (or any ingroup) because they 'can do no wrong' and externalize our problems to 'others' and continue to blame whatever one can as long as it never circles back. If we want to talk relative girlfriends. Mine went through significant amounts of 'outsider' abuse in both highschool and college (ended up snapping in college) and has had terrible memories and nightmares about that ever since too. And for every person who will have to live through the terror of _ONE_ day and it's memories, there are probably dozens of people who have to remember thousands of days of abuse and fear, and no one cares. They don't get support from their college, or other students, they usually either collapse mentally, kill themselves, or try to kill others. But in general few really care what happens to them and all the stuff that caused it is not considered immoral at all. They are just 'weak' or 'sick' people.