And I suppose you'd say the same about web browsers, like, oh, say, "Firefox" for example?
Yeah, only OSS zealots run it. Not people who are simply looking for great software independent of price. In fact, I'll bet you never heard of "Firefox" - only OSS freaks run it. You certainly won't find any law office, medical practices, colleges/universities, etc. running Firefox after having repeatedly having been stung by MSIE vulnerabilities.
I plan to try out Ekiga - I am in the midst of configuring apache and have so far been unimpressed with soft phone programs - maybe Ekiga will prove to be different. At first glance (based only on RTFA and looking at the screen shots) it appears to be far better than kcall, kphone, and even twinkle.
Acrylic is definitely no threat to the Adobe Creative Suite.
Download Acrylic and play around with it - it's clearly targeted at lightweight users and people who just want to fool around with graphics - the interface is dumbed down quite a lot and it only offers a tiny fraction of the features offered by the Creative Suite.
That's not to say it's not a good app - all I'm pointing out is that it's apparant that Acrylic is targeted at a different userbase, not graphics professionals.
You need to connect to get the patches, unless you have another machine to download them to them put them on CD or isolate your LAN and copy them over to the virgin box.
Also, the numbers posted are MTBF - that doesn't mean your box won't get hit instantly - and it doesn't mean it is guaranteed to even within six hours or a full day. It's simply an average and there are highs and lows, and if you have a great ISP they may have scanners between you and everyone else. Or, if you're on, say, AOL, you'll have a pretty "antispyware" and "antivirus" program that does little to nothing, but looks really shiny!
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DeadRat legal made them change command line utility names (e.g., if it was redhat-do-foo they had to rename it to bar-do-foo), remove any reference to RedHat from the home page, and so forth. CentOS IS RHEL minus the trademarks.
Focus on modding up, not down, especially when someone is posting the truth. Sheesh.
I agree - I hate DeadRat^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRedHat Linux and am looking forward to the day when RedHat dies or gets bought out.
I'll take SuSE, Mandriva, kubuntu, Debian, or Slackware long before I choose DeadRat Linux.
Centos - RedHat minus the obscene licensing and RedHat's anti-OSS attitude (e.g., the WhiteBoxLinux/CentOS folks can't even mention their product is based on DeadRat because of RedHat's obnoxious legal department - here's a hint: crediting the authors of admin tools is actually REQUIRED by the license you release it on, so forcing free/free/free distros to not mention RedHat by name is idiotic. Mentioning that it is based on RedHat sources is NOT trademark infringement, dumbasses.) is a much better choice for those who need RedHat. Really, the real reason I hate RedHat is they had a strong desktop market (well, strong as far as Linux distributions go) back in the day, and then they suddenly canned the desktop version and pushed desktop users to their notoriously unstable Fedora project.
I like Novell and SuSE Linux much better because Novell is targeting all verticals, and the admin gui is much better thought out (for those who choose GUIs anyhow) than RedHat. YaST may be slow, but at least it WORKS and the organization is logical and not strewn all over the place. Novell's licensing is also much more reasonable, even for the upmarket versions of the distributions.
No offense intended to any users out there, just the RedHat folks.
We have both M$ Office and OpenOffice. We use OpenOffice more than M$ Office because we've been migrating to Linux and it's just easier to deal with OOo than M$ Office. Installing M$ Office under wine is not fun. Been there/done that and while it runs fine once it's installed, getting to that point is a pain in the neck.
If M$ Office were to come out for Linux would I buy it? In the past I'd definitely have said yes. Now after having used OpenOffice for nearly a year and a half, I'd say we might buy one seat just in case we had to use Microsoft Office for a feature OOo doesn't have yet.
What if you're an upper mamanger or owner with say, an internal financial report or your customer list open, and you accidentally click the syndicate button?
Oops!
Sure, you could argue that one could file -> send email -> select a distribution list as the recipient, but all the same. . .
Well, for Scalix, Zybil, and possibly OpenXchange you can get connectors for outlook to enable the groupware functionality such as notes, calendaring, etc.
And, that light bulb is just as annoying as clippy was.
LIAR! Clippy FORCED you to click on the little f'er. OOo's light bulb is unubtrusive and never a modal dialog demanding attention before you can click anything else.:)
When the solution is to always "insert restore CD, select YES and hit the Enter key" for all problems, what does it matter WHERE customer disservice is located? Anyone can read a script and tell the customer to reformat/reinstall.
I hate Microsoft but I trust them with managing my fair use and my privacy rights in a more responsible manner than I trust, say, George Duhbya Bush, Senator John Kerry or Senator Edward "I did not drown her and I am not a drunk" Kennedy to protect my "inalienable" Constitutional rights.
However, in today's world we have these things called *Personal* Computers that aren't managed by a team of engineers and rarely have more than one user. On PCs, the "system" is the *least* important data on the machine.
Which is why a virus hitting only $HOME does not matter. Just delete the home directory and recreate, then restore your backup.
* One PC with SuSE Linux or any *nix distro with hotplug support * One ipod * one printer
Connect them, and watch them get detected and configured. Okay, to be honest, for your canon printer yoou might have to download turboprint, but is that ANY different than going to Canon's web site to download a driver? Absolutely not. It just requires more than functional two brain cells, not a Phd in Computer Science.
This is the umpteen-millionth time I've explained this here and elsewhere but here goes:
Windows: People generally run as root (Administrator), which not only allows the virus to affect $home (%userprofile%) but the entire system. If the user is clueful enough to change the default configuration so they are logging in with limited rights, there is still a huge gaping hole every user has access to - the all users profile. All a virus needs to do to propogate in that case is place itself in the startup for that profile, then next time a power user or admistrator logs in, Bang! Dead! Done! The box is pwned!
Unix: People don't run as root, well, aside from village idiots (who deserve Windows, really!). The mythical Unix virus can attack $HOME, it can copy files to/tmp (but other users will NOT be touching them), and that's IT. Worst case? $HOME gets wiped out, and user-owned files in/tmp. That's it, that's all.
If you run apps in Unix as root for anything other than maintenance, you deserve an rm -rf/, and hopefully you will have your servers' root directories mounted when you do it*.
In the *nix world pretty much everyone is smart enough to run as root. All but the most stubborn users (read: Mac OS/X users who hate the 'new' BSD security features and miss Mac OS Classic's total lack of security - I've had a customer do a chmod -R 777 / on a few systems) avoid root like the plague.
Yes, there are application-specific worms which affect *nix, Windows, and other platforms (such as apache worms) but those cannot be counted against the OS, and furthermore, on an even slightly hardened *nix box, those exploits will be limited to where the apache user account has access (e.g.,/var/www/srv/www or wherever you hopefully chrooted it) and/tmp. BTW again, if you set apache to run as root, you deserve every rm -rf / you get.
* exceptions allowed for boxes with older builds of cdrecord, but you really ought to upgrade it or set the suid bit instead of actually logging in as root to run it.
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And I suppose you'd say the same about web browsers, like, oh, say, "Firefox" for example?
Yeah, only OSS zealots run it. Not people who are simply looking for great software independent of price. In fact, I'll bet you never heard of "Firefox" - only OSS freaks run it. You certainly won't find any law office, medical practices, colleges/universities, etc. running Firefox after having repeatedly having been stung by MSIE vulnerabilities.
I plan to try out Ekiga - I am in the midst of configuring apache and have so far been unimpressed with soft phone programs - maybe Ekiga will prove to be different. At first glance (based only on RTFA and looking at the screen shots) it appears to be far better than kcall, kphone, and even twinkle.
You don't want to run asterisk on vmware unless it's just a toy, a test environment, or a very light use home installation.
Acrylic is definitely no threat to the Adobe Creative Suite.
Download Acrylic and play around with it - it's clearly targeted at lightweight users and people who just want to fool around with graphics - the interface is dumbed down quite a lot and it only offers a tiny fraction of the features offered by the Creative Suite.
That's not to say it's not a good app - all I'm pointing out is that it's apparant that Acrylic is targeted at a different userbase, not graphics professionals.
You need to connect to get the patches, unless you have another machine to download them to them put them on CD or isolate your LAN and copy them over to the virgin box.
Also, the numbers posted are MTBF - that doesn't mean your box won't get hit instantly - and it doesn't mean it is guaranteed to even within six hours or a full day. It's simply an average and there are highs and lows, and if you have a great ISP they may have scanners between you and everyone else. Or, if you're on, say, AOL, you'll have a pretty "antispyware" and "antivirus" program that does little to nothing, but looks really shiny!
If it did not successfully they could not call it an orbiter now, could they? They'd call it a meteor - or "mass of molten junk". :D
But they are OH SO SHINY!!
Crap sound is okay as long as they're SHINY!!
Proof that Windows offers a lower TCO? ;)
Flamebait?
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DeadRat legal made them change command line utility names (e.g., if it was redhat-do-foo they had to rename it to bar-do-foo), remove any reference to RedHat from the home page, and so forth. CentOS IS RHEL minus the trademarks.
Focus on modding up, not down, especially when someone is posting the truth. Sheesh.
He likes a disorganized GUI. ;)
I agree - I hate DeadRat^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRedHat Linux and am looking forward to the day when RedHat dies or gets bought out.
I'll take SuSE, Mandriva, kubuntu, Debian, or Slackware long before I choose DeadRat Linux.
Centos - RedHat minus the obscene licensing and RedHat's anti-OSS attitude (e.g., the WhiteBoxLinux/CentOS folks can't even mention their product is based on DeadRat because of RedHat's obnoxious legal department - here's a hint: crediting the authors of admin tools is actually REQUIRED by the license you release it on, so forcing free/free/free distros to not mention RedHat by name is idiotic. Mentioning that it is based on RedHat sources is NOT trademark infringement, dumbasses.) is a much better choice for those who need RedHat. Really, the real reason I hate RedHat is they had a strong desktop market (well, strong as far as Linux distributions go) back in the day, and then they suddenly canned the desktop version and pushed desktop users to their notoriously unstable Fedora project.
I like Novell and SuSE Linux much better because Novell is targeting all verticals, and the admin gui is much better thought out (for those who choose GUIs anyhow) than RedHat. YaST may be slow, but at least it WORKS and the organization is logical and not strewn all over the place. Novell's licensing is also much more reasonable, even for the upmarket versions of the distributions.
No offense intended to any users out there, just the RedHat folks.
re: Hidden Treasures in OpenOffice 2.0's Chart Tool
What the heck is so hidden about it?
It does charting. It does it well. It's one thing OOo does better than M$ Office, and is actually a little more intuitive. What is so hidden about it?
I love OOo but I hope that one of the things Novell and IBM are sponsoring is cleaning up the code. OOo = spaghetti monster.
We have both M$ Office and OpenOffice. We use OpenOffice more than M$ Office because we've been migrating to Linux and it's just easier to deal with OOo than M$ Office. Installing M$ Office under wine is not fun. Been there/done that and while it runs fine once it's installed, getting to that point is a pain in the neck.
If M$ Office were to come out for Linux would I buy it? In the past I'd definitely have said yes. Now after having used OpenOffice for nearly a year and a half, I'd say we might buy one seat just in case we had to use Microsoft Office for a feature OOo doesn't have yet.
There is a danger in that kind of integration.
What if you're an upper mamanger or owner with say, an internal financial report or your customer list open, and you accidentally click the syndicate button?
Oops!
Sure, you could argue that one could file -> send email -> select a distribution list as the recipient, but all the same. . .
Well, for Scalix, Zybil, and possibly OpenXchange you can get connectors for outlook to enable the groupware functionality such as notes, calendaring, etc.
LIAR!
Clippy FORCED you to click on the little f'er. OOo's light bulb is unubtrusive and never a modal dialog demanding attention before you can click anything else.
OOps, and another thing I really, REALLY hate about The Gimp:
:)
When you create a text layer, apply a few effects (filters, scaling/skewing, etc.) to it, then discover you need to add more text, what happens?
You lose ALL of your effects and you have to re-apply everything you did.
In Photoshop? Just edit. It will retain the effects you have applied.
I really, really, really hope Adobe releases the creative suite on Linux.
Gimp does not even come close to the functionality provided by Photoshop. Maybe in another 15 years The Gimp will do what Photoshop can easily do now.
Layer effects, anyone?
EASY macros and actions, anyone?
Again, a good lesson for learning what the DVD-R or CD-R drive is for. :)
When the solution is to always "insert restore CD, select YES and hit the Enter key" for all problems, what does it matter WHERE customer disservice is located? Anyone can read a script and tell the customer to reformat/reinstall.
I hate Microsoft but I trust them with managing my fair use and my privacy rights in a more responsible manner than I trust, say, George Duhbya Bush, Senator John Kerry or Senator Edward "I did not drown her and I am not a drunk" Kennedy to protect my "inalienable" Constitutional rights.
Which is why a virus hitting only $HOME does not matter. Just delete the home directory and recreate, then restore your backup.
You DO back up, right?
Requirement to provee you wrong:
* One PC with SuSE Linux or any *nix distro with hotplug support
* One ipod
* one printer
Connect them, and watch them get detected and configured. Okay, to be honest, for your canon printer yoou might have to download turboprint, but is that ANY different than going to Canon's web site to download a driver? Absolutely not. It just requires more than functional two brain cells, not a Phd in Computer Science.
This is the umpteen-millionth time I've explained this here and elsewhere but here goes:
/tmp (but other users will NOT be touching them), and that's IT. Worst case? $HOME gets wiped out, and user-owned files in /tmp. That's it, that's all.
/, and hopefully you will have your servers' root directories mounted when you do it*.
/var/www /srv/www or wherever you hopefully chrooted it) and /tmp. BTW again, if you set apache to run as root, you deserve every rm -rf / you get.
Windows: People generally run as root (Administrator), which not only allows the virus to affect $home (%userprofile%) but the entire system. If the user is clueful enough to change the default configuration so they are logging in with limited rights, there is still a huge gaping hole every user has access to - the all users profile. All a virus needs to do to propogate in that case is place itself in the startup for that profile, then next time a power user or admistrator logs in, Bang! Dead! Done! The box is pwned!
Unix: People don't run as root, well, aside from village idiots (who deserve Windows, really!). The mythical Unix virus can attack $HOME, it can copy files to
If you run apps in Unix as root for anything other than maintenance, you deserve an rm -rf
In the *nix world pretty much everyone is smart enough to run as root. All but the most stubborn users (read: Mac OS/X users who hate the 'new' BSD security features and miss Mac OS Classic's total lack of security - I've had a customer do a chmod -R 777 / on a few systems) avoid root like the plague.
Yes, there are application-specific worms which affect *nix, Windows, and other platforms (such as apache worms) but those cannot be counted against the OS, and furthermore, on an even slightly hardened *nix box, those exploits will be limited to where the apache user account has access (e.g.,
* exceptions allowed for boxes with older builds of cdrecord, but you really ought to upgrade it or set the suid bit instead of actually logging in as root to run it.
Such as what, the suck that is McAfee?
AVG Free?
Please. Give me a break.
Out of all the crap antivirus programs that one pretty much HAS to choose one to install, Norton is one of the better ones.