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What Would Be Your Ideal Futuristic Home?

deman1985 asks: "As the owner of a small commercial and home integration company, I'm exposed to a wide variety of customers with differing tastes and needs. I'll get requests for anything from the ordinary audio distribution systems and full home theater systems, to downright bizarre requests like having bubble baths run automatically, when they walk in the door. However, the vast majority of customers I encounter are not technologically inclined and are more interested in simplicity rather than impressiveness. What would your ideal integrated home look like? What's the most unique feature you would like to see? If you had access to an unlimited budget, what would you spend money on to make your home stand out? Whole-house audio? Hidden video screens? Automatic locks? Do most people view home integration strictly as a toy for entertainment, or is the technology ready for prime time?"

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  1. Sustainability by under_score · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love technology. My family has several laptops, desktops and we run a few servers as well. We have gadgets. But the thing about it all that bothers me, is that it is all dependent on the precarious infrastructure for power and telecom. I would love to have solar and wind power backup. I'd love to have redundant methods of communication, even going back to low-tech/old-tech radio systems. I'd also like to have local caches of reference materials such as wikipedia, about.com, CIA world factbook, etc. I'm not a survivalist freak, but I do find it painful when the power goes out for a few days at a time! It'd be nice to have some basic backups!

    1. Re:Sustainability by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the thing about it all that bothers me, is that it is all dependent on the precarious infrastructure for power and telecom. I would love to have solar and wind power backup.

      Get yerself an RTGs for your back up power needs.

    2. Re:Sustainability by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a BAD source of information

      Oh really?. Now, if you want a bad source of information...

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    3. Re:Sustainability by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 1

      If you want to know about how to live "off the grid" I will gladly answer any questions you have. My grandfather left me a house on Tuckernuck island, right next to Nantucket. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantucket,_Massachuse tts
      There are no utilities whatsoever there. I have all propane appliances there (fridge etc) and some solar. It is an interesting way to live... although I only get out there a couple weeks a year. Sometimes I think that I would like to make it my permanent address, but I think I would go crazy...
      http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=37.0625, -95.677068&sspn=36.315864,117.949219&q=Nantucket+I sland&t=k&ll=41.300056,-70.257311&spn=0.014476,0.0 29268&t=k

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    4. Re:Sustainability by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      wiki pedia is a GOOD reference.
      the problem with wikipedia is that it works in practice, but not in theory.

      Yes, 'hot' topics get modified, but over all it is really solid.

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    5. Re:Sustainability by software_trainer · · Score: 1

      You want sustainability in a home? How about growing your house by weaving and fusing trees together.

    6. Re:Sustainability by software_trainer · · Score: 1

      Rats, I blew it when I tried to post the link.

    7. Re:Sustainability by Angostura · · Score: 1

      Bizarre, I came here to post pretty much the same thing, except from an eco-nut point of view, I would absolutely love my house of the future to have a combination of wind and solar power, a combined heat/light heating system to make the most of the precious fuel I do have to use. I would like to have it use rainwater intelligently, use waste water for flushing toilets, smart glass to minimize cooling/heating needs and some radical insulation.

      I would like to sell excess energy back to the grid.

      Yes, I know that doing this by myself would make zero change to the world's climate, but in order to be *my* house of the future, it would have to be a world where sufficient people would be doing the same thing to ensure that the above technology was relatively cheap and ubiquitous.

      I'd also like a plentiful stock of writeable DVDs that didn't scratch and which lasted for ever. But that's probably a pipedream.

    8. Re:Sustainability by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      What I would really like is something along the line of solar panels and a flywheel. If the flywheel stops (or slows too much), then switch to the grid to start the flywheel back up (and keeping a nice isolation as well).

    9. Re:Sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd also like to have local caches of reference materials such as wikipedia, about.com, CIA world factbook, etc.

      I know what you mean. I back up the entire Internet to my hard drive every night, just in case my connection is unavailable when I need to look something up. You wouldn't believe how many times that particular trick has come in handy.

    10. Re:Sustainability by under_score · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm actually interested in the same stuff. My wife and I are gradually converting over to a more ecologically friendly way of living. It's tough to do it quickly because of embodied energy concerns that we have.

    11. Re:Sustainability by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      I grew up on Nantucket. Cousin's dad had a house on Muskeget (the even smaller island west of Tuckernuck). Not sure what he did for power, but you're right, there isn't any out there. And New England is alot like England...no consistent sunlight...so solar power is generally not a viable solution (some people use it though).

      All this being said, and I may be slightly opinionated here...best beaches in the world (for non-snorkelling, diving activities). I've toured Hawaii, Greece, Mexico, Florida, France, Bermuda...the only place that comes close is Fire Island in New York.

      So quick! Buy your $200 plane ticket for the 45 minute flight from Boston today! (Or rather, 5 months from now when the water is actually swimmable...)

    12. Re:Sustainability by uvsc_wolverine · · Score: 1

      Well, not only is this ecologically friendly, but most of what you mention here is economically friendly as well. You might have a little more in initial layout for things like additional plumbing for the toilets and rain water system, but when you consider the money you'd save on your utility bills...

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    13. Re:Sustainability by PGillingwater · · Score: 1

      For those of us who aren't quite ready to disappear "off grid", you can make a positive contribution to your own (and your childrens') future by working to reduce your Carbon Emissions. If you are a home owner, start by looking at Solar Collectors, improving insulation, better economy vehicles, etc.

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    14. Re:Sustainability by AGMW · · Score: 1
      Everyone is mentioning solar and wind, but I've not seen any mention of heat pumps?

      Bury a bunch of tubing under the ground and pump heat out of the ground into your house. This is apparently quite efficient, especially when there is a large difference between the air and ground temperature, ie in the winter.

      Also, if you look at Bermuda where they don't have any ground source for fresh water you will notice that every house has a water tank under it and rainwater is directed into the tanks (it does rain quite a bit!). This water is used to flush the toilets, and can also be used to wash in, etc. I think some of the locals actually drink it too, though I think I'd at least like to boil it! There are, I believe, local regulations that mean you have to have your tank cleaned every 5 years or so, and your roof repainted every 2 or three.
      See also the grey water treatment options.
      See also these windmills and a man in South London has got planning permission to put one up!

      I've been looking into these ideas myself for a while, but it would also be useful to try and use less electricity in total, rather than just trying to generate more for yourself.

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    15. Re:Sustainability by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Shit I would be happy with a single family, stand alone home that I could afford to buy.
      Something with two or three bedrooms (the master bedroom having its own full bathroom too) and a garage to park a car in, keep some toys in.

      Around here that starts at around $400,000, which means a $4,000 a month mortgage payment (PITA) - I don't even take home $4,000 a month, much less have that much to pay each month on a house.

      After that - sure thing, secret passage behind the bookcase that opens when you flip up Mozart's head and flip a switch, with a pole to slide down.

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    16. Re:Sustainability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the "Preview" button is for, dickhead.

    17. Re:Sustainability by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      A thirty year mortgage at 0% interest for a $400,000 loan is $1,111 per month. Is your credit so bad that the best interest rate you can get is 360%?

    18. Re:Sustainability by Tingler · · Score: 1

      A thirty year mortgage at 0% interest for a $400,000 loan is $1,111 per month. Is your credit so bad that the best interest rate you can get is 360%?

      FYI - if he was being charged 360% the payment would be $120k/month. The numbers he was quoting would be around 11.5% But this does not account for taxes & insurance.

    19. Re:Sustainability by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      Care to elaborate on how that's so? Last time I checked 1,111 * 3.6 (aka 360%) = 3,999.6, and 400,000 * 3.6 (aka 360%) = 1,440,000, and 1,440,000 / 360 (# of months in 30 years) = 4,000. Looks to me like paying 1.4 million dollars for a 4 hundred thousand dollar home is paying 360% interest.

      I'd really like to know if I'm wrong.

    20. Re:Sustainability by Tingler · · Score: 1

      Interest on a home is amortized annually. The numbers you are using assume that the interest rate if quoted for the lifetime of the loan.

        For instance, let's say you purchased a $400,000 dollar home @ 10% interest. This loan is setup so you pay interest only for the 1st year. 10% of $400,000 is $40,000 for the year or $40k/12 per month. $40k/12 is $3,333 per month. This is just a rough example, however. Because the interest is always accruing it makes computation of interest payments rather difficult (for me, anyway.)

      I found a few links that might be helpful for you. The first is a rather elaborate site that really gets to into the particulars of loan payment..

      http://www.bankrate.com/brm/popcalc2.asp

      The second site has some simple but useful financial calculators. I would recommend you plug some numbers in either site and see what different interest rates and loan lengths do to the total interest paid.

      http://www.davebuyshouses.net/calc_index.htm

    21. Re:Sustainability by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 0

      That first link laid it out exactly, thanks for providing it. A $400,000 home at 30 years with a 10% interest rate is $3510.29 per month. For 360 months. A $400,000 home that costs $1.26 million. Well, at least banks, which primarily receive and hold money, don't have to worry about running out of money.

      In the words of Joe Pesci, "They FUCK YOU at the drive-thru!"

    22. Re:Sustainability by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, nobody will lend us $400,000 for 30 years at 0% interest.

      Breaking it down using round numbers, $400,000 at 7% means you pay ($400,000 x .07 / 12) = $2,333 the first month in interest, plus about $167 towards principal for $2,500 principal + interest. Add in PMI (mortgage insurance, because we put less than 20% down), another .5 % for the year is $2000 for the year, or $166 per month. Now we are up to $2,666 or thereabouts. Add in yearly taxes on a $400k house at $2 per $100 (an actual rate taken from a normal city) and you get about another $8,000 a year / 12 = ~$700 a month in taxes for a total of $3,300 a month. Kick in insurance (flood, home owners, etc) for maybe $2,400 a year ($200 a month) and you are right at the $3,500 a month marker.

      That's not precisely $4k a month, but pretty close. From what I have seen in the past two or three decades, a realistic expectation is that the check you have to write each month just for your house is about 1% of the borrowed value (the check includes escrow for taxes, insurance, PMI, etc) plus or minus. It is a rough number, but a pretty good rule of thumb (and easy to use for quick calculations, like the one I used) - $200,000 house will run you $2k a month, $350,000 house will run you $3,500 a month, etc. You can break this rule using crazy loans or by putting a crazy amount down, but it all comes out in the wash.

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    23. Re:Sustainability by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      This has been informative. Thanks for posting the detailed analysis and I apologize if the tone of my reply was off-putting.

      Seriously, they fuck you at the drive thru. Those numbers are absolutely ridiculous and depressing, and I make a lot of money (or so I thought; turns out I can't cover a mortgage payment).

  2. Wrong way for me. by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd want a small home(1,500 - 2,000 sq.ft.) on plenty of land (4+ acres) with trees. The only electronics I'd want is something that blocks anything wireless so I can have some peace and quiet for once. Also, I'd have an excuse for why I wasn't pestered by any phone calls...I mean, why I didn't get someone's call.

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    1. Re:Wrong way for me. by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tech != electronics (at least not exclusively). I want pneumatic tubes to deliver items across the house, powered lifts, etc. ;)

      I wouldn't mind a bit of green tech, either - houses designed with big south facing windows and large eaves to let in lots of sunlight in the winter but little in the summer, perhaps solar water heating, perhaps a heat pump, perhaps a wind turbine if in a windy area, etc. For really esoteric, on a big house you could go with a solar thermal evaporative cooler/heater: noiseless, takes no power, and has no moving parts except for the fan; heating and cooling are done by the same device.

      As a gardener, an automated greenhouse would be neat (maintains temperature with opening and closing of flaps, and an internal heater if needed).

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    2. Re:Wrong way for me. by Carik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1,500 - 2,000 square feet is NOT a small home. 750 - 1,100 square feet is a small home. My girlfiend and I are currently living in a condo that's nominally about 950 square feet, but a lot of that is taken up by stairs, walls, and poor planning. Call it maybe 800 square feet of usable living area, total. The only thing we really need more space for is long-term storage; winter storage for the bicycles, christmas ornaments, things like that. So... if you have a family, yes, you'll need at least 1,500 square feet. But if you don't have kids, why get such a big house? I'm looking at new places at the moment, and I'm finding that 1,200 or so is as much space as I need, as long as it has a basement or a barn for storing all the Stuff I'm not using at the moment.

    3. Re:Wrong way for me. by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 1
      1,500 - 2,000 square feet is NOT a small home.

      My sense of scale has been corrupted by the McMansions. Then again, it's nice to have a guest room for visitors considering that I have all of that forest, a fish pond, cool breazes, and no noise! :)

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    4. Re:Wrong way for me. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "Then again, it's nice to have a guest room for visitors considering that I have all of that forest, a fish pond, cool breazes, and no noise! :)"

      If you have a lot of property, you may want to consider guest cabin(s) instead of a guest room. Works great for the kids' sleepovers, as an ancillary office, or whenever you need to get away from the house. Very cheap to put up, and if its not fully enlcosed, you typically don't need to meet housing codes. Sucks in the winter, though.

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    5. Re:Wrong way for me. by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      I'd want a small home(1,500 - 2,000 sq.ft.) In many places that's a large home.

    6. Re:Wrong way for me. by petershank · · Score: 1

      >The only electronics I'd want is something that blocks anything wireless so I can have some peace and quiet for once.

      You already have that. It's called the Off button.

    7. Re:Wrong way for me. by apt142 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used to live in a house about 900 square feet. And I completely agree with you. For just a couple, it's fine if you've got it set up where it's working for you. If it's not set up however, it can be quite painful. I ended up moving because the storage areas consisted of two closet just large enough to stand in. And I was renting so there wasn't a lot of home improvements I could do to it.

      About two years ago we moved into a larger house (1300) and we thought we'd never use all the space in the house. It's funny, you find a way to use it. I'd equate the experience to a Hard drive. When you get one with more space, you just find more ways of filling it up.

    8. Re:Wrong way for me. by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 1
      You already have that. It's called the Off button.

      Hah, what about guests? Or, if I forget?

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    9. Re:Wrong way for me. by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's how it worked for me. My wife and I lived in a little cape cod with ~900 square feet. Then we moved and wanted something "a little bigger". Due to limited house-hunting time, we bought the first thing we both liked, which turned out to be a 4200sf (!) rancher on a hill. Then we moved again, into a more reasonably-sized house (still huge, but only 2800sf). Unfortunately, we had bought enough furniture to fill out the previous house, so this one feels a little cramped...

      Oh, and we only lived in the "big" house for a couple of years, and still made 8% profit when we sold it. Real estate is *such* a racket....

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    10. Re:Wrong way for me. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Dude you do realize that what you want is a LARGE HOME?

      Small home is 750-1024 Sq feet. 2000 sqft home is considered Large.

      and this is by United States standards.. elsewhere that is considered gigantic. (A friend of mine in London considers my home a giant mansion compared to his 800sq ft flat)

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    11. Re:Wrong way for me. by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

      Tilt-up concrete panels for walls. Great thermal efficiency, zero maintenance, nearly indestructible.

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    12. Re:Wrong way for me. by jbarlow · · Score: 1

      8% profit over two years? Feh. Over here (bay area, California) you could easily make $100,000 a year just by buying and selling houses. I have a friend who owned an $800k house in Fremont for three months and made $60k off the sale.

      Your 4200sf rancher on a hill would probably appraise to $1.8m and sell for $2.1m here. Of course, now I'm curious as to your values on it...

    13. Re:Wrong way for me. by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      As a gardener, an automated greenhouse would be neat (maintains temperature with opening and closing of flaps, and an internal heater if needed).

      In case you need that now, companies like Lee Valley already sell automated pneumatic openers for flaps in greenhouses. My Dad has a couple; they're really simple and just work.

      As for the heating, well that's an exercise for the reader. ;-)
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    14. Re:Wrong way for me. by njh · · Score: 1

      Actually, concrete is crap. It has a very high thermal conductivity so it quickly reaches the same temperature as outside. It also has a huge embodied energy (costs a lot) and weighs lots so you need heavy moving equipment.

      Look up SIPs if you want something that is quick, cheap and results in good thermal performance.

    15. Re:Wrong way for me. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Call it maybe 800 square feet of usable living area, total."

      Whew...that's small for 2 people. I'm single, and my last place was the entire top floor of a house...I had approx. 1400 sqft, and I was packed to the gills. One bedroom for bedroom, one for office, one for 'junk' (brewing equipment, crawfish boiling stuff, general bulky stuff, my living room was in 2 halve..main half filled with couches, tables, futon, big screen tv, K-Horn speakers...in the other half I had a drum set, arcade machine (MAME in a Tempest cab), deep freezer, then I had kitchen and outside deck...with smoker, etc.

      Post Katrina..I had to move it all out...I completely filled a 10x20 storage unit side to side, floor to ceiling all the way to the door. And I threw out a lot of stuff too.

      It is amazing what you can pile up over the years...and thing is, I've tried to be very good at tossing things out each year...and I'm still left with enough to fill that much home.

      I can't imagine what it will take with next girl that moves in....definitely need to buy a larger home in the future...

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    16. Re:Wrong way for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1,500 - 2,000 square feet is NOT a small home...


      That all depends upon how many humans and animals are living in such a house. 2000 square feet is SMALL if you have 5 humans, 4 dogs, 1 cat, 1 gerbil, and various aquatic animals.

    17. Re:Wrong way for me. by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Perception of the size of a home is relative to how you use it. :-D

      I lived in an apartment for two years in grad school and I nearly went nuts. If you've never seen a sliding bedroom closet half full with a computer rack, computer equipment packed under the desk and bed, and a narrow walkway just wide enough to slip into and out of the room... well, you should have seen my room. I took advantage of horizontal -and- vertical space in pretty scary ways, and that was just barely enough to get me by (with most of my equipment living at my employer or left back home in Tennessee). That was so small that it was basically unusable except as temporary housing, and it was about 100-120 square feet for the bedroom (which was the only space that wasn't shared, and thus the only truly usable space).

      Now that I'm fully moved out here to California, I'm going nuts as a single person in 1800 square feet. I'm very nearly out of usable floor space. My closets are full to capacity, with extra shelves added overhead to allow storage that extends up to the 10' ceiling, and more shelves below the clothing racks to increase density. There's barely enough room to squeeze between my weight bench and my bed, with the treadmill tucked in the corner. I have gear stored permanently under my bed and behind the couch in the TV room. Between the studio grand, my drum set, and recording gear, the living room is pretty much shot. I could go on for almost every room in the house. About the only room with very much free usable floor space is the master bathroom. And that's one person living alone. I can't imagine living in a smaller place than that. As a musician, 1800 square feet feels cramped to me. Of course, I could do without some of that---most of the kitchen, the second bathroom, and the guest bedroom---but even if you took that all away, you'd still be close to 1500 square feet and cramped.

      On the bottom end of that scale, 1500 square feet, definitely is a small home. The average double-wide is almost that big, coming in at 1340 square feet, with a minimum of about 1200 and a maximum of about 1800. The top end of that scale, 2000 square feet, probably qualifies as "medium", but not by a large margin or anything.

      Just my $0.02.

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    18. Re:Wrong way for me. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I want pneumatic tubes to deliver items across the house, powered lifts, etc. ;)

      Around the house? No. Outside the house? Yes.

      Here's my list:

      • Pneumatic mail delivery.
      • Two or three package drop boxes that automatically lock after the UPS/FedEx/Airborne person drops a package in.
      • Chain-drive garbage can to and from the street.
      • Garbage chute from inside the house that automatically traps the garbage and won't let it drop until the can is in place.
      • Built-in wire routing pipes for adding infrastructure after the fact without too much hassle.
      • A fully finished basement to add extra usable space and storage.
      • Approximately three times as much storage as the average house being built today.
      • Roof access from the interior of the home.
      • Permanent electrical outlets at convenient locations around the exterior of the home above the windows to facilitate exterior Christmas lighting.
      • A switch for every light beside every entrance to every room.
      • Full lighting control of the bedroom lights from both bedside tables.
      • Entirely electronic light switches so that two-way or three-way switch setups aren't so weird.
      • Fiber to the curb.
      • LCD panels for bedroom windows to control how much light to let in, and on what schedule. Want to sleep until 10:00? Set the LCD controller to gently start bringing up the light at around 9:30.
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    19. Re:Wrong way for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With an unblockable ocean view.

    20. Re:Wrong way for me. by njh · · Score: 1

      As a gardener, an automated greenhouse would be neat (maintains temperature with opening and closing of flaps, and an internal heater if needed).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovent

    21. Re:Wrong way for me. by njh · · Score: 1
      • Approximately three times as much storage as the average house being built today.


      Have you looked into freecycle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freecycle_Network

      Think of it as unlimited storage that can contain things you never bought.
    22. Re:Wrong way for me. by homer_ca · · Score: 1

      For the people in the Southwest US, another green feature to consider is low-water landscaping: rocks, cactus and desert plants instead of watering a big green lawn.

    23. Re:Wrong way for me. by bigboss1234 · · Score: 1

      Since I don't have a cell phone, I find pulling the phone off the wall is a very effective, if not electronic, way not to have calls.

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    24. Re:Wrong way for me. by bigboss1234 · · Score: 1

      Guest Room ? I thought that's what tents are for.

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    25. Re:Wrong way for me. by Shag · · Score: 1

      Our main floor is 682, and that's enough for 2 good-sized bedrooms, a good-sized living room, kitchen, and bathroom. We've had the dining area either in the kitchen or at the kitchen end of the living room, it works both ways.

      But I'm in agreement. Yes, I want infrastructure. Yes, I want integration. The thing I don't want is a bunch of extra space full of clutter. We've got enough of that already. So my wish list would look something like this:

      1. Top-notch systems. Water, electrical, communications, etc. should all be modern and efficient.
      2. Autonomy where possible. Hook me to the grid, but give me photovoltaic exterior materials.
      3. Redundancy where possible. Terrestrial broadband and fixed wireless/satellite.
      4. Smart design (okay, I was an architecture major, briefly). No wasted space. Lots of built-in storage.
      5. Good materials choices. Locally-sourced, sustainable, durable things.

      And as far as a setting, I'd like the house to blend into its environment.

      Since this IS slashdot, getting back to the systems bit, I'd want plenty of twisted-pair in the walls, and plenty of fiber. In fact, I'd want extra "dark" fiber in the walls just in case. :) And I'd like the design/build process to be done with wireless in mind, so that the best positions for wireless APs would be known and taken into consideration.

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    26. Re:Wrong way for me. by hattig · · Score: 1

      Your idea of a 'small home' is a mansion here in England.

      Whole families live in 800sqft properties, and that isn't in the cities.

      Feel happy that you've got land aplenty, and don't go wasting it. k?

    27. Re:Wrong way for me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As of July '05, perhaps. You could probably reverse that trend for the next 2-5 years.

    28. Re:Wrong way for me. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      I'd want a small home(1,500 - 2,000 sq.ft.)

      Consumer aquisitiveness, gotta love it. 50 years ago, 1200 sq ft was more than enough to raise 3 kids.

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    29. Re:Wrong way for me. by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Speaking of "tubes" and ways to get things around the house.

      I just want a damned laundry chute to the basement in a modern house someday again, just like many houses used to have...

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    30. Re:Wrong way for me. by mikael_j · · Score: 1
      And I'm currently living in a ~450 sqft apartment with my girlfriend, it's pretty small but not the smallest apartment I've lived in. In fact, When I lived in Paris I shared a 350 or so sqft apartment with a friend and there was some swedish guy living the first or second arrondisement who had an apartment that was something like 150-160 sqft. The notion that 1100 sqft is a small home is a US- and family-centric idea, people who don't have a flock of kids don't need a home the size of an airplane hangar.. (Not that I'd mind a larger home)

      /Mikael

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    31. Re:Wrong way for me. by dajak · · Score: 1

      I used to live in a 17th century 240 sqft apartment in the center of Amsterdam with my wife. A kitchen (with two high and narrow windows), a small connecting hallway, and a living room (with two high and narrow windows) with a two person bedcloset, builtin storage nearly everywhere, and a crawlspace under the bedcloset for extra storage. Very efficient and you hardly need any furniture. The storage space in the walls also isolates the house and the bedcloset is in the center of the house (near the chimney) between kitchen and living room.

      The only minor problem is that the toilet and shower were outside, and shared.

      I have never since complained about houses being "too small". The real problem is that post-18th century houses have been designed inefficiently.

    32. Re:Wrong way for me. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Except that I've already pretty much thrown out everything I don't have to keep. My storage situation is mostly the following:

      • Infrequently used equipment (but not unused)
      • Spare parts
      • Supplies bought in bulk, e.g. the kitchen cabinet containing plain paper (8.5x11, 11x17, and 13x19), and photo paper (4x5 and 8.5x11).
      • Musical instruments
      • Music (lead sheets, scores, etc.)
      • Financial records
      • Cases/bags for musical equipment for when I carry it somewhere
      • Clothing
      • Dishes
      • Power tools, hand tools, etc. (several cabinets worth) for random woodworking projects
      • Art supplies
      • Blank CDs and DVDs
      • Running servers and in-home networking gear (half of one closet and half of the cabinet space in another room)

      So we're not talking about me being a pack rat. If I were more consistent about throwing out stuff I never use, I'd still only have a shelf or two of free space in the entire house....

      Most of my space is the result of a money/space tradeoff and an over-developed sense of self-reliance. I have tons of tools so I can do things myself instead of paying someone to do them for me. The other big problem is that I'm involved in so many different things, each of which take up some space (e.g. piano + drum kit = 120 sq. ft.).

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    33. Re:Wrong way for me. by njh · · Score: 1

      Most of my space is the result of a money/space tradeoff and an over-developed sense of self-reliance. I have tons of tools so I can do things myself instead of paying someone to do them for me. The other big problem is that I'm involved in so many different things, each of which take up some space (e.g. piano + drum kit = 120 sq. ft.).

      Know the problem well! (including the piano)

    34. Re:Wrong way for me. by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      How about a steal framed module structure?
      Add some steal mesh in the frames and you have a pretty effective Faraday's cage, that should kill most wireless signals. (just look at how bad Wifi is in steel stud partitioned offices) You could even be selective about how much signal blocking you do in each area by choice of materials. Also comes down to a matter of how much mass and airflow you need in the house to suit your local climate, but this can be achieved in many ways to suit your original intent.

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    35. Re:Wrong way for me. by cmj · · Score: 1

      I call bullshit. I bought a 1500 sq ft 3 bedroom colonial in a close suburb 6 years ago under this very premise. We wanted 3 bedrooms so we could turn one into a home office and still have room for the occasional overnight guest. Fast forward 6 years and we're downsizing, looking for a smaller place - either a loft or a one or two bedroom condo in the city. We looked at how we live and decided that we never used the home office once we both had laptops and WiFi, we rarely use the dining and living rooms. For as often as we have guests stay the night they can either sleep on an air mattress or we can put them up in a hotel for less money than the increased mortgage payments. PLUS we won't spend as much time commuting - he can walk or bike to the office and I will cut 20 mins off of a 45 minute drive.

      I would recommend buying what you need and planning on moving in 5 years (which is actually the average in the US) or if your living situation changes (birth/death/major job or income change). Yes you will pay a real estate commision on the sale, but you won't have to pay an inflated morgage every month. If you really WANT to pay an inflated mortgage every month go ahead - you'll just wind up paying extra principal and that's (in general) A Good Thing [tm] and substantially better than being barely able to cover your mortgage.

    36. Re:Wrong way for me. by Carik · · Score: 1

      It's definitely small, and it'd be nice if they'd put some thought into the layout, but it's not actually too terrible. If I had a basement for storage, I'd actually be OK with the size it is. Sounds like you have a lot more big things than I do, though... my main hobby is reading, and books just take up wall space (I love having a complete wall -- about 12'x8' -- of bookshelf space in one room), they aren't very bulky.

      And don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a much bigger house: say, 3000 square feet or so. It's just that 800 is small, but 1500 is not.

    37. Re:Wrong way for me. by Carik · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can have a guest room in a 2000 square foot house. You just have to give something else up... I've been playing with floor plans, and you can build a 2 bedroom, 2 bath house with a study that doubles as a guest room, a large dining room, a living room, and a good-sized kitchen in about 1400 square feet. An extra 12x12 bedroom, plus closet space and allowance for walls, brings it up to something like 1600 square feet.

      2000 square feet is BIG. Not that big is a bad thing, mind you, but let's get our definitions straight.

  3. All... by fredklein · · Score: 1

    of the above. :-)

  4. DUH! by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happens when you ask a bunch of nerds and engineers to collaborate on a home design? You get the DUH: Dilbert Ultimate House (Professional Edition).

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    1. Re:DUH! by SoCalDissident · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is modded as Funny, but the truth is the DUH actually has some pretty cool features, a few of which I plan on retrofitting to my place and incporporating if/when I get around to building a house.

    2. Re:DUH! by LehiNephi · · Score: 1

      You can also find the online version, with virtual tours and everything right here.

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    3. Re:DUH! by packetmill · · Score: 1

      Says this about the master bedroom:

      Cat door in master closet so cat can enter bedroom but not bad guys[in event of robbery].

      Nobody can come up with something like that without the aid of cocaine. You train your cats to use secrret passageways in dangerous events? What happens when you want some peace with your wife (hint:master bedroom) and don't want your cat to join in? Do you leave a sign?

    4. Re:DUH! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You put a very small sock on the cat-door doorknob.

      Duh.

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    5. Re:DUH! by Moofie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ummmm...I don't think that's a sock.

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    6. Re:DUH! by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      My favourite practical feature is putting the bedrooms together with the laundry between them. It makes you wonder who designs modern homes which places them as far apart as possible.

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    7. Re:DUH! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't live with a cat. If the cat wants to sit on the bed and watch, you just have to accept that.

    8. Re:DUH! by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Erm, because when you're trying to sleep you don't want to hear the dryer or your housemates fucking?

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    9. Re:DUH! by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1
      If the cat wants to come in and watch, you let the cat come in and watch.

      The noise of the cat throwing its body against the door trying to get in is much more disruptive than the cat sitting quietly in the bedroom, possibly purring.

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  5. Simplicity by s0l3d4d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ideal home integration?
    Simplicity. Japanese style furniture, and few and selected furniture, and the stereos, hifi, etc would be simplistic as well. No TV - possibly a projector. Ideally Bose but any small and good sounding speakers, integrated with iPod. Integration with Airport Express should be easy - so can control the musics of all the rooms of the house by the computers (a few in different rooms or where needed).
    Actually, for TV needs now the computers do fine - mostly viewing movies anyway, and some cartoons with eyeTV.
    Lots of small lights in ceiling and on walls to get enough light on winter, and enough analog candles for the mood.
    And simple materials to keep it all timeless - such as white walls, dark wood, some stone, some metal, and selected details in bright colors.
    And the simplicity factor will make it more simple than now - there are 16 iPods in our house now ... probably could do with a bit less.

    1. Re:Simplicity by Kirmeo · · Score: 1

      I think just a few networked in-wall (or wall mounted) computers would do the trick for me. Maybe add some video phone desktop extensions too. I don't know how many times I've been upstairs in my office and my wife yelled up to me from some other room downstairs, only to get frustrated that she had to come to the stairs for me to hear her. It would be nice if she could just page me on the intercom ("com" being for computer, not just communication). "Attention all house occupants, please come to the dinning room to commence the dining hour."

    2. Re:Simplicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ideally Bose? No highs, no lows, it's Bose? Ipod? Are you functionally deaf?

    3. Re:Simplicity by danlyke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes! I see all of this stuff about monster technology and all the rest, and I'm realizing that even though I'm a nerd who has 5 computers in my living room, I've spent a lot of time getting as much of that stuff out of my house, or at least as unobtrusive, as possible. And those five computers are as hidden as I can make them (three are laptops, one is a small server in my stereo cabinet, the display for the desktop is an LCD in a bookshelf with a pull-out drawer for the keyboard and mouse). I want much of my furniture, especially anything holding computers or whatnot, to be fold away and to have blank faces when it's closed (I've already built myself such a workbench, it's just a large cabinet in my livingroom when I'm not working on stuff).

      Lots of shelves/cabinets and lots of storage, I've got gobs of projects and parts for projects, and I want to keep them organized and close to my life, but I don't want to have to have separate spaces for entertaining and for living, 'cause that's just spending money on half-used space. I haven't actually lived in or used a house with these amenities, but since a lot of projects seem to happen on the floor anyway, I think I'd like hatches or similar floor storage.

      However, no unnecessary nooks or hallways or connectors, I want my rooms rectangular, easy to clean, with simple openings between spaces. If the climate demands it (and most do), I like to compartmentalize the house for heating and cooling (and maybe here's your application for technology, a centralized place that I can say "heat the living room, let the dining room and bedroom sit at 50 degrees"), but I don't buy into this crap that some architects push about hallways to provide transition areas in between parts of the house. Make it a door or an opening with a curtain and be done with it.

      I don't need a large kitchen, but I want prep room on both sides of the stove, and a veggie sink as well as a clean-up sink. Whatever the entrance to the house, I want a little space, maybe just a few feet of hall, with shelves for shoes by the front door.

      Technology-wise, the only really geeky thing I want is a smarter cat door (Yes, I know about Flo Control, but I'd settle for "after dark, opens from the inside only"). I want room to run cables under the floor and through walls, as I'm sick of slap-dash phone/cable installations run under the siding around the outside of the house, and I want lots of power outlets, but I'm less concerned with built-in lights or any fancy technology to switch them; I'm fine with having desk lamps and similar per-application lamps. Don't build crap into the house, as it'll only be made obsolete (and this especially applies to lighting technologies right now). If you do have built in lights, they should be able to make that room like daylight; my alarm clock is currently a big bank of daylight balanced flourescents, and when that lights up the room I'm happy, even in the doldrums of the rainy season.

      I want good fitting doors, double-paned glass, good insulation (for conventional construction types, I'm interested in the folks doing 2x6 studs at 19.whatever centers, more room for insulation, cheaper materials costs). Yes, I know that a house needs to breathe, but let's make that a specific function of the design, not a byproduct of skimping on materials.

      And, if I go specific to my particular needs, parking for a bunch of bicycles out of the elements, including long ones (tandem/recumbent).

    4. Re:Simplicity by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

      Heh, speaking of Japanese, I want a Japanese toilet. Have you seen those babies? Sweeeet.

    5. Re:Simplicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. Bose speakers are the pits. Get some Athena speakers (same price range) and you'll see what Bose is missing.

    6. Re:Simplicity by Stradenko · · Score: 1

      Toto makes toilets for americans too.

    7. Re:Simplicity by kimvette · · Score: 1

      But they are OH SO SHINY!!

      Crap sound is okay as long as they're SHINY!!

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    8. Re:Simplicity by why-is-it · · Score: 1
      Ideally Bose but any small and good sounding speakers

      You can have good sounding speakers, or you can have Bose. You can't have both. Here are a few links for more information:

      Serious audiophile sites/publications ignore Bose equipment completely. Perhaps that is because they refuse to waste their time on stuff they know is junk, or it could be because Bose has been known to deploy lawsuits in response to bad reviews.

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    9. Re:Simplicity by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Shiny my ass! What matters is that they're made from oxygen free macromicrocrystalline myconium. And they're a nice colour.

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    10. Re:Simplicity by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Those just look like normal, albeit fairly aesthetic, toilets. I was expecting something special, like French toilets. Maybe "special" wasn't quite the right word there ...

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    11. Re:Simplicity by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Technology-wise, the only really geeky thing I want is a smarter cat door (Yes, I know about Flo Control, but I'd settle for "after dark, opens from the inside only")

      Then how does your cat get in?

    12. Re:Simplicity by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered that he's not a 'serious audiophile'?

    13. Re:Simplicity by aztec+rain+god · · Score: 1

      the word you seek is "washlet"

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    14. Re:Simplicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Audiophiles are like pedophiles - you don't want to know one.

    15. Re:Simplicity by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1, Troll

      You don't have to be a 'serious audiophile' to know that Bose speakers are a ripoff. You can just be someone who knows enough about tech and sound and audio to know there are cheaper alternatives that are superior.

      Buying Bose gear is just stupid. It can't be expressed more succintly than that.

    16. Re:Simplicity by anotherlogan · · Score: 1

      Speed kills.

    17. Re:Simplicity by 0xygen · · Score: 1

      Thanks, you saved me the trouble of making exactly the same comment, even down to the list of links help with the situation!

      Although I would like to add even non-audiophiles should be able to hear the difference. Trying to get loan kit helps, or checking out the differences in serious company's listening rooms.

      Ever wonder why most Bose outlets only sell Bose?

    18. Re:Simplicity by danlyke · · Score: 1

      If the cats go out after dark they can bloody well stay out. But if they can get out on their own, then they won't be trying to wake me up at 2AM.

    19. Re:Simplicity by pthisis · · Score: 1

      And for those who like the Bose look, Tannoy and Energy make small-speaker satellite systems that actually sound good.

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  6. Missing option: by MattyDK23 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Breasts.

  7. Duh by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

    Xanadu of course. No, not that Xanadu. THIS Xanadu.

    Just imagine! A home with a built in Apple II computer, where you can watch Xanadu in your kitchen on a 10" built-in screen! What could be better?

    Xanadu, your neon lights will shine...

    1. Re:Duh by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      So, is the rollerskating rink contained in a separate building, or is it in the basement or something?

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    2. Re:Duh by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I kind of screwed up the formatting on that one. The first link points to Bill Gates' dream home, the second link points to the Xanadu tourist attractions that were in Wisconsin Dells and Florida, and the third link is a joke about watching Xanadu the movie inside of Xanadu, the ancient "house of the future". :-)

  8. pr0n by cwebb1977 · · Score: 0

    I want bigscreen porn on every wall!

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  9. Infrastructure would please me... by debest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wouldn't want a complete turn-key solution, I'd want to have the infrastructure in place so that I could tinker as I chose.

    My new house would have a wiring closet/server room that would be the electronic equivalent of the furnace/AC/water heater room. There would be racks and/or cabinets for various computers and A/V equipment. The room would be properly ventilated. The house would be wired to hell and back before walls went up.

    Then leave me to my devices. I'll handle the rest!

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    1. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you'd NEVER have everything working right, as you'd be constantly taking it apart and redesigning it. Your a gentoo user arn't you?

    2. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by debest · · Score: 3, Funny

      you'd NEVER have everything working right, as you'd be constantly taking it apart and redesigning it

      Very probably correct!

      Your a gentoo user arn't you?

      Absolutely correct! My answer isn't the one the OP wanted, but it my answer to the question he asked. I'm a tinkerer, and that's the way I like it!

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    3. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Don't take it as an insult, mearly an observation. I'm definatly a tickerer too, and am in awe of people who can designed total turnkey solutions with good UI... But thats another story.

    4. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why be limited after the walls go up? I want access. I want flexibility.

      I want to be able to open up my drywall, pull out the half-assed cat5 job I did four years ago and do a better wiring job with cat6. And in another five years when cat6 is no longer sufficient, I want to open it up and do it again.

      And I don't like fishing cable. I put in conduit, but there are just too many twists or turns for that to be realistic.

      Is there any way I could have flip-up baseboards or something like that to give me easy access to some hidden cavity?

    5. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by debest · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot the :-) emoticon. No offense taken. I knew you were having some fun at the expense of a fellow geek.

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    6. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The house would be wired to hell and back before walls went up.

      no thanks. I'll run interduct everywhere but no wires. I want to be able to yank out that useless cat5e wiring for cat6 when I need to.

      neatly wiring a house before the walls go up guarentees that it will get out of date fast. (like the fools that staple the network and catv wires in the walls... what are they thinking?) carefully installing interduct to all points means you can upgrade as needed.

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    7. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by R3D · · Score: 1

      Run conduits through the walls, and have either removable walls or access panels at strategic places. The patch panels/ports could be attached to the removable panel to give an idea for strategic.

      Just have to make sure data and power are isolated/shielded sufficiently.

      There's always going to be something you'll have forgotten to account for with such a large project.

    8. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really what you'd want is a lot of conduit running throughout the house, preferably metallic stuff, and run totally independent of the power lines. End-run it all back to some central place, like a corner of the basement or a big server closet, and you'd be able to run anything you wanted. Analog audio, coax, twisted-pair, fiber ... Just remember to leave a bunch of pull lines in the conduit.

      Frankly what most geeks want, I think, is a home that's built more like a commercial or industrial structure. Raised-flooring or double-hung cielings, for instance, aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing but make network installation a lot easier than it is in the typical home. My rationale would be this: sure, raised flooring and exposed metal conduit aren't seemly, but they're a lot better than having an exposed tangle of wires, and that's the alternative if you build homes the typical way (with the wires laid in holes bored in the wall studs).

      Actually I've always thought the ultimate geek dwelling would just be a single floor of some old industrial buidling; someplace where you could hang cable trays directly from exposed cieling beams. (Not to mention 3-ph 480V power, for when you pick up that surplus Cray on eBay.)

      I guess if you go down that route, you'd pretty much have to give up on ever getting laid there, though.

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    9. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by whydna · · Score: 2, Interesting
    10. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      Is there any way I could have flip-up baseboards or something like that to give me easy access to some hidden cavity?

      I've never actually seen this per se, but it doesn't seem impossible. Basically what you're asking for is wire duct, but sunk into the walls around the base of a room and with molding placed over it where the cables aren't actually entering and exiting. I'm not sure how you'd sink them into the walls without just making the wall thicker (because how do you sink something 6" into the wall without compromising it structurally?).

      If all you want to do is a few pieces of twisted pair, I have seen (on one of those home shows) someone put up surface-mount raceways, and then use a router to cut a groove on the backside of some thick molding and cover it. This was not at floor level, but up where the wall met the cieling. Depending on the style of your house, heavy crown molding might not exactly be your style, but it's something to think about. Of course, then you get into the issue of having to use a fish tape to replace the cabling.

      All a matter of money; I'm sure a good finish carpenter could find all sorts of clever ways to give you hinged access to cable raceways and other infrastructure, it's just that most people firstly don't think about that when they're building, and secondly probably aren't willing to spend the money it would take to do a really first-class job.

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    11. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      In most installations, power and signal are run in totally independent conduit systems. Separate junction boxes, etc., all the way back to wherever they're grounded.

      In fact I think that's code. I just did a quick search and I can't find anything related to it, but I think it's required that "high voltage" and "low voltage" wires are run separately, and IIRC the definition of HV is anything over about 40V. Computer networking, telephone, and most home-audio speaker wires are low voltage and thus go in separate conduits. Obviously trust your electrician if he/she says different, but these are the requirements that were told to me by one I was working with not that long ago, during an audio system install. We had two, totally parallel conduit systems installed in order to use powered speakers -- one for the line-level audio and one for the 120VAC circuit.

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    12. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by amliebsch · · Score: 1
      Actually I've always thought the ultimate geek dwelling would just be a single floor of some old industrial buidling; someplace where you could hang cable trays directly from exposed cieling beams.

      There are places like that, e.g. http://www.tewelesseed.com/progress.php

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    13. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      Never mind wiring the home, I want nice big conduit reserved for low voltage wiring (and suitable for fiber, so appropriately gentle bends) to every wall of every room. If there's a door in the wall, I want conduit on both sides of the door. I'll get the wires pulled when I know what I need where.

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    14. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1

      This A/V and computer closet idea is close to what I'd want, but perhaps a bit too much. Instead, I think the biggest thing I'd want "built-in" would be a QUALITY terminal area in the basement (or I guess it could be a closet) that would provide for a central monitoring and connection termination station for power, telephone, cable, and internal networking. Don't just slap stuff on a couple of plywood boards - design it to be built around, not just hidden in a wall, and make it accessible to future homeowners so they can revise, upgrade, and overhaul as needed for future generations.

      Following that, a 5.1 surround system in-wall in the entertainment or family room, and an absolute MUST is cable, Cat5e (minimum, Cat6 if they have money to burn), and telephone (both landline AND VoIP connections from the main termination point in the basement) to EVERY bedroom, family room, office, living room, and workroom/basement (with 2-3 outlets for this in the area I'm going to "set up shop") - optionally in the kitchen as well. Make sure there are at least TWO Cat5 terminals at every jack. You never know where a server might end up! One thing that would be a "nice to have" would be an internal video-cam system that can offload the recordings to an offsite server every hour or so. No need to spy on everyone outside the house really - that just gives away the fact that you have a security system. Make the security system powerful INSIDE the house/office to catch the crooks once they've broken in. Maybe pre-wiring for an "external" server that resides somewhere near the electric box in the back of the building so that the typical moron burglers don't know that just ripping off all the computer equipment inside the house will spare them from being "caught on tape" since you're actually piping the video feeds to an inconspicuous server just outside the building.

      As for geek asthetics: none of the Best Buy stereo equipment setups just blurting out: "Hey, look how awesome I am with my cool giant stereo system!" - hide it. Details and understated expensive upgrades are what make a house a home... not giant stereo cabinets and huge plasma TV's.

    15. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by njh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Audio in the walls is notorious for its poor performance. If you are serious about audio quality build some of Martin King's mass loaded transmission lines or similar. I built mine for about $200 each (including drivers, wood work and time), and everyone who's heard them has gone and built them too.

      http://www.quarter-wave.com/

      Otherwise I agree with you. Do you have an examples of your server closet stuff? I'm pondering where and how to do this myself.

    16. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by EvanED · · Score: 1

      My idea is to have one wall in each major room be essentally two walls which you can walk betweeen. The inside wouldn't be drywalled, so you could replace/add wiring with ease.

      Barring every room, at least have access from above or below a wall (from one of these intra-wall spaces) where it wouln't be too difficult to access wall jacks.

      It would also make a good place to put thin clients with VGA and other jacks in the wall so that you don't see the computer at all. (My plan is to have several thin clients but one central server. And another gaming machine probably.)

      It'd also be awesome for playing in if you were a kid. Wouldn't you have liked secret passages in your house?

    17. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by morgue-ann · · Score: 1

      OK, I know what PVC conduit & armored & EMT are, but what's interduct? It seems to be a rare term in the US for small-scale use of what appears to be flexible raceway. Most refs I found on google are for large diameter runs, not residential use. smarthome has something they call resi-gard. Looks harder to pull through than smooth-walled conduit.

      A more important question is how big a hole can you blow in joists without weakening them excessively? The shop behind my garage is framed with 2x4s. It was cheesy-panelled with surface-mounted EMT AC. I've gutted it & plan to drywall & re-floor it & insulate the ceiling (flat roof).

      If I had space above the ceiling, I could run big raceway up there & run smaller pieces down the bays between joists, but I'm going to have to bore horizontal holes through joists unless I get creative with the sleepers used to space the drywall away from the ceiling to accomodate the insulation.

      Modern houses are usually framed with 2x6s, so I guess this isn't a common concern.

    18. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by caswelmo · · Score: 1

      The more of other people's posts I read the more I like your answer. Done correctly, you wouldn't have to waste too much floor space with these little hidden passageways. You could use them for all kinds of stuff, too. If you had removable shelving for the walls you might be able to use it as storage most of the time.

    19. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Honey, why is there no hot water?"
      "Sorry my dear, recompiling the house!"

    20. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by njh · · Score: 1

      brilliant! thanks. (of course due to frieght charges I'm going to make this out of local stuff, but the idea is brilliant)

    21. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by cowscows · · Score: 1

      One thing that I've seen a little of is floorboards and trim and such with channels carved into the back of it for running cables along. It seems like a pretty decent idea, since most rooms have it anyways, it runs the whole perimeter of spaces, and it can look like whatever you want.

      Also, Windows are sometimes double-hung, but the ceilings you're talking about are generally referred to as just plain hung ceilings (or suspended or drop in). Minor nitpick though ;)

      Raised flooring seems like a better bet in terms of aesthetics than a suspended ceiling, but substantially more expensive.

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    22. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by hobbesx · · Score: 1

      Haha! So similar to what I'd like too- I recently bought a house with an unfinished basement that has exaclty this setup. A small closet off to one side of a room that has the perfect throw distance for the projector. A few hundred feet of 10 gauge speaker wire, just cracked my second 1,000 box of cat5e and I expect to be well into the third (or fourth?) before I'm done.

      I've got the saved shopping cart of rackmount compatable equipment just waiting for the closet to get close to finished. If only I didn't have to go to work.

      Meanwhile, I'm reading up on custom Gentoo LiveCD's to read-only etherboot Xbox MythTv frontends... I've broken the system plenty of times.

      Then to catalog the books. Who knows when I'll actually get to finishing off the library managment program, let alone building the shelves.

      Then to get the asterisk system working together with Myth, and the wife has requested that the doorbell send alerts like Myth's caller-id notification with a remote door release.

      Well, I guess I've got thirty years or so? :)

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    23. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by Cyno01 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually I've always thought the ultimate geek dwelling would just be a single floor of some old industrial buidling; someplace where you could hang cable trays directly from exposed cieling beams. (Not to mention 3-ph 480V power, for when you pick up that surplus Cray on eBay.)
      Wow, you just described exactly what i would do if i won the lottery. Buy some old 5 story warehouse, the kind with a ton of little windows (GIS warehouse windows, idk if theres a proper name for them). I'd just gut it, live on the top floor and do i dont know what with the rest of it. Personal parking garage and skate park maybe...
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    24. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by JollyFinn · · Score: 1

      Actually audio in the walls can be good. Goto www.genelec.com and choose from the monitors, instead of hometheater "crap" . Those studio monitors are DESIGNED to put inside concrete walls. Of course you can use them normally too, but they give best performance when they are put inside wall.
      Sure it costs couple thousand bucks per speaker, but these are the quality speakers we want not just any crappy low end hifi stuff.

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    25. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by dfries · · Score: 1
      Raised-flooring or double-hung cielings, for instance, aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing but make network installation a lot easier than it is in the typical home.

      I've seen some really good looking raised flooring. What they did at the show room floor at work was put sticky backed carpet squares over the normal raised flooring tiles. They are removable so you can get at the raised floor tiles and the space under. It looks good. It is probably a good thing, but they didn't make the carpet tiles the same size as the raised floor tiles. If they were the same size I would think the seams of the carpet easier. The down side is you have to pull up more carpet tiles to uncover the floor tiles.

      If you were to make the entire level of the house with it you wouldn't know it was there. I hear raised flooring is expensive, making it look nice like they did at work is doubly so. Then you have to figure that your ceiling must be higher as well.

    26. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by dajak · · Score: 1

      As I have always understood it, power potentially interferes with the quality of signal. If it doesn't now, it might in the future. I always separate them.

    27. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 1

      Actually I've always thought the ultimate geek dwelling would just be a single floor of some old industrial buidling; someplace where you could hang cable trays directly from exposed cieling beams. (Not to mention 3-ph 480V power, for when you pick up that surplus Cray on eBay.)

      I guess if you go down that route, you'd pretty much have to give up on ever getting laid there, though.


      Just buy some blinkenlights and have a rave there every once in a while :)

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    28. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't mean actually putting the *speakers* in the walls, just the wiring and outlets. I noticed this poor grammar choice on my part AFTER posting my dang post. Doh!

      As for a server closet... I don't have any great ideas, although in the house I *WAS* building (deal fell through - long story - and had to back out and buy a used house instead) I was planning on using some of those metal wire racks that you can get from Lowe's or Home Depot for about $40 to put all the server equipment on in a corner of the basement near where I was going to terminate all the networking and electrical. Then, I'd add one of those small window A/C units or even just a fan and pipe all the hot air outside via some sort of duct system below my deck. Maybe use one of those clothes dryer vent hoods that goes on the side of the house to keep outside critters from crawling into the fan blade or something like that. Of course, this would be enclosed in a sound insulated "closet" within a room that I would build for my 'workspace' in this magical finished basement that would take me years to actually build.

    29. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by pthisis · · Score: 1

      Really what you'd want is a lot of conduit running throughout the house, preferably metallic stuff, and run totally independent of the power lines. End-run it all back to some central place, like a corner of the basement or a big server closet, and you'd be able to run anything you wanted. Analog audio, coax, twisted-pair, fiber ... Just remember to leave a bunch of pull lines in the conduit.

      Frankly what most geeks want, I think, is a home that's built more like a commercial or industrial structure. Raised-flooring or double-hung cielings, for instance, aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing but make network installation a lot easier than it is in the typical home.


      1. Tell the wife you want to install hardwood floor.
      2. Pull up the baseboards and lay the hardwood floors.
      3. Before installing baseboards and quarter rounds, run network and speaker cables in the gaps between the floors and walls, with nice speaker/rj45 jack wall outlets in convenient locations.
      4. Install the baseboards and quarter rounds.

      Fishing cables for the runups between 1st/2nd floor is slightly more involved but not a whole lot; going directly up-and-down is easy, then you do similar work on the other floor.

      Cost is a factor, of course, but if you lay the hardwood yourself (that's what we did) you can do a whole floor for under $3000 with nice real hardwood; veneers and alternative surfaces can be much cheaper.

      If you don't want hardwoods, you can just put in new baseboards and use a router to slot in cable grooves.

      And you can always convince yourself that in addition to looking nicer, the hardwood is a capital investment that'll increase the value of the home (aka 5. Profit!!!)

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    30. Re:Infrastructure would please me... by njh · · Score: 1

      Ok, wiring in the walls is nice. Did you look at the wiretrax idea?

      An old (say 50years) used house is probably a better deal, at least in australia, where houses built in the 80s are falling apart.

      Do you live in a hot climate or a cold climate? pumping the waste heat outside really only makes sense if you spend more each year on cooling than heating. clothes dryer vents are too small to be efficient for moving heat. A better solution would be to just return the air to the room in winter (using a big fan) and to the attic in summer. An AC seems way over kill. I live in a climate where it regularly reaches 45C (110F?), and my computer works fine under those conditions with just a $10 Lowes type box fan parked in the side :)

      For sound insulation it is hard to beat mass. Use those hollow concrete bricks (cinder blocks?), perhaps filled with dry sand.

      I wish I had a basement.

  10. One of those discarded Missile Bases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want one of those bases to belong to me.

  11. Keep it simple... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A touch screen near the door that allowed me to walk in, and pick from a simple list of pre-programmed profiles for lights, music, and TV.

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    1. Re:Keep it simple... by svallarian · · Score: 1

      Damn a touch screen. It's well past the year 2000, why the heck can't we have voice control for everything?

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    2. Re:Keep it simple... by esme · · Score: 1

      I once had a co-worker who said he wanted a voice-controlled home automation system, and that he'd name it "Dumbass". So he could walk in and say "Hey, Dumbass, turn on the lights!".

      -Esme

    3. Re:Keep it simple... by pjp6259 · · Score: 2, Informative


      A machine learning professor at University of Colorado built a Adaptive Neural Network House that learns from his behavior. It learns when to turn lights on and off, heating and cooling, radio, etc. Some of the inputs are time of day, temperature, day of week, as well as motion and audio sensors in the house. So for example the house learns that every time you walk into the bathroom you turn the light on, and when you leave the bathroom you turn it off. Pretty soon it does it for you. Really neat.


      The home and garden channel even had an episode of Extreme Homes that mentioned it.

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  12. Dream Suite by PipeIsArt · · Score: 1

    As a Computer science Major, I would love a home with an inegrated network for all computers, home entertainment systems (including a projection screen), alarm and lock controls, clock alarms in every room, etc. I would love to be able to control my thermostat from any room in the house, while restricting access to my kids or whoever should not be messing with such controls. Of course, it has been a childhood dream of mine to own at least one secret passage, so I would find a place for one somewhere. But overall, the house must be hospitable. I would want people over lal the time to watch movies, hang out, do business, spiritual guidance, or whatever else. So I would need at least a couple of large lobby-like rooms, maybe a lot of basement space, etc. I would also want an electronically indexed library of books.

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  13. Product name... by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 3, Informative
    Luddite HomesTM

    Oooo, I think I'm on to something here!

    There was this builder on NPR a year ago. He builds house in Athens, GA. He figured out that if he left as many trees as he could on a property, he could sell the house for a premium. I just thought - "Uh, Duh!" Most GA builders just clear cut everything and plant weeds (i.e.a lawn).

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    1. Re:Product name... by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 4, Insightful


      It isn't a matter of being a Luddite. Most people can't control who their neighbors are, which is one reason why living in the subburbs is so darn stressful. The only defense against neighbors in high population density areas is to have tons of money, to pay the association people to enforce restrictions, and to put up big fences.

      Outside cities, the other defense is a lot of land, and lots of shrubbery in the woods to block sound and line of sight to roadways.

      Another defense is a lot of insulation in the walls and ceiling to block sound, which is an added bonus on top of energy efficiency. Unfortunately, a lot of the cookie-cutter 1000-unit neighborhoods were built quickly and cheaply, meaning often inadequate insulation (one house I lived in wasn't even up to code, before I fixed that).

    2. Re:Product name... by hal2814 · · Score: 0

      He must build in a different Athens, GA. The Ahtens, GA I lived in for 5 years and have been working in for 4 years (commuting from 30 minutes north) doesn't have any new construction homes I've seen on lots that haven't been almost completely cleared. The reason behind this is that grass lawns sell and trees don't. Sure there are folks who prefer a heavily wooded lawn (maybe a few more folks in college town Athens than elsewhere in the area), but they are a minority. This builder on NPR might cater to that minority and in Athens that might give him a good market niche but there aren't near as many people concerned about the environment or keeping trees on their lawn to make such a plan feasible elsewhere in the area.

    3. Re:Product name... by zardo · · Score: 1

      I want a house that goes underground quite a ways, with tunnels and what not, a tunnel that go to an underground river, another tunnel that just goes to another small workshop on the property, a shaft that goes 100 feet down, where I hide my gold!

    4. Re:Product name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside cities, the other defense is a lot of land, and lots of shrubbery

      yep, that's a good defense... specially when the Knights Who Say Ni! show up...

    5. Re:Product name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      and lots of shrubbery in the woods to block sound
      we want ... a shrubbery!

      Not really related to your question, but I'd like central air that could just keep a consistent temp across a decent area. Don't know the first thing about it, but would it be that hard to set up multiple thermometers and bidirectional duct?
    6. Re:Product name... by Cheapy · · Score: 2, Funny

      "and lots of shrubbery in the woods to block sound and line of sight to roadways."

      So the quest for peace is a quest for shrubbery?

      Those Knights Who Said Ni were on to something...

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  14. You can't take the sky from me... by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like my home to be a 1:1 scale mock-up of a Firefly class transport. But then I'm a nerd...

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    1. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would that be complete with shuttle occupants, sir?

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    2. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 1

      Hadn't considered that, though now that you mention it...

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    3. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      And since it didn't have bathing facilities, I believe you're such a nerd.

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    4. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Mr.Coffee · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, but definitely engine mechanics...
      definitely.

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    5. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 1

      Actually it did, just off the common area. In Objects in Space we see Book coming out of the room with a towel just before being overcome by Early, so it seems reasonable to assume said room contains a shower. Furthermore the Serenity RPG sourcebook diagram of Serenity shows a shower in the room in question.

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    6. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Of course not, but finding a proper taxidermist may be a little hard depending on your jurisdiction.

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    7. Re:You can't take the sky from me... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Yes, sir, Captain Tightpants. :-)

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  15. SImple by bobs666 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A 40 Foot (12m) catamaran sail boat.

    That way should I not like my neighborhood, I can move to a new one.

    That and live like the turtles, taking my house with me as I visit places across the sea.

    1. Re:SImple by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Funny
      That and live like the turtles, taking my house with me as I visit places across the sea.

      I lived like that for a few years, long ago. I went from place to place by sea, taking my home with me. But I wasn't on a catamaran, I was on a warship.

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    2. Re:SImple by ABoerma · · Score: 1

      A 40" sail boat, and 0^-1 Tbit wireless broadband.

    3. Re:SImple by khallow · · Score: 1

      I bet you had to work a bit more. If you or your former employer doesn't mind me asking, on what? And for who?

    4. Re:SImple by NateTech · · Score: 1

      And you had a JOB too, unlike the guy on the sailboat! ;-)

      Mobile housing (be it on land or sea), for those of us who like to wander, would be great if you could work effectively from anywhere.

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    5. Re:SImple by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I worked mostly on the BPDSMS, using the Sparrow III for Point Defense, and also cross-trained on the Mark 68 Gun Fire Control system. My employer was Uncle Sam's Navy.

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  16. A "simplicity" room by jbarr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No matter what the house of the future would be like, it will need to have at least one room that is devoid of tehnology and gadgets (things like lighting and HVAC aside.) Specifically, no computers, Internet, TV, radio, etc.) It would be a room where you can sit and think, read, ponder, whatever, without the distractions and temptations of technology. A place where one could "focus"--reminding us we shouldn't completely rely on technology for everything. While I certainly love Techmology, there are times when I just have to get away from it for sanity sake.

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    1. Re:A "simplicity" room by stevey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My plan when I went looking for the place I eventually bought was to make sure the bedroom was empty. Have a rectangular room a big wooden four-pster bed in it and nothing else.

      Real life interfered a lot, so I have to have clothes, books, and even a computer desk in there at the moment - but one day I will own a house which has a room which is literally just a bed-room.

      Perfect for reading/cuddling/relaxing in. With nothing to distract or tidy.

    2. Re:A "simplicity" room by SithLordOfLanc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. I would love a library that has floor to ceiling bookshelves and very minimal furniture. I'm thinking two big leather chairs with a light in between them. Nice big oriental rug on the floor. Shelves lined with books and the cool little things you pick up while traveling. No computers. No radios. I real, honest-to-god library like you see in some of the historical homes in old cities.

    3. Re:A "simplicity" room by miller701 · · Score: 1

      Just a bed!

      How abou:

      Lights?

      Alarm Clock?

    4. Re:A "simplicity" room by stevey · · Score: 1

      Lights can be ceiling spotlights. And alarm clocks aren't necessary if you tend to get up early anyway!

    5. Re:A "simplicity" room by secolactico · · Score: 1

      No matter what the house of the future would be like, it will need to have at least one room that is devoid of tehnology and gadgets (things like lighting and HVAC aside.) Specifically, no computers, Internet, TV, radio, etc.) It would be a room where you can sit and think, read, ponder, whatever, without the distractions and temptations of technology. A place where one could "focus"--reminding us we shouldn't completely rely on technology for everything.

      I already have a room like that. It's called "bathroom". I can sit and think/read/ponder for hours in there. No TV, no computer, no phone. Thank god I don't have to share it with anyone else.

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    6. Re:A "simplicity" room by cowscows · · Score: 1

      It's not always possible, but one of the best ways to do this, build it outside. If you're careful about how you do it, you can shape an outdoor space just as well as any interior room, and even control the "microclimate" to a surprising degree. Plants are generally a huge part of such a space, and what better way to forget about technology then to surround yourself with some nature.

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    7. Re:A "simplicity" room by JollyFinn · · Score: 1

      >My plan when I went looking for the place I eventually bought was to make sure the bedroom was empty. Have a rectangular room a big wooden four-pster bed in it and nothing else.

      I'd rather have a hot chick in the bedroom.

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  17. Dig it by eric76 · · Score: 1

    What would be cool would be a home dug out of the side of a canyon.

    Have a winding passage through the rock between every room.

    Instead of wallpaper or monotonous single color walls, have a painted mural in every room from floor to ceiling.

    Maybe a small underground stream flowing through the living room.

  18. Two things by Locke2005 · · Score: 1
    I want CD quality audio in every room, all served off a central Terabyte server (no individual CDs). RF remote should work from anywhere in house and control audio, video, lighting, and climate control. I also want the system to keep track of where everybody is in the house, and have their audio preferences follow them from room to room. Extra credit for turning on/off the lights and adjusting the zonal climate control as I enter/leave a room. Ideally, household automation should pay for itself in a few years through energy savings.

    Oh, and one more thing -- the audio should automatically mute itself when the phone goes off hook, and unmute when the phone is hung up.

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    1. Re:Two things by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Oh, and one more thing -- the audio should automatically mute itself when the phone goes off hook, and unmute when the phone is hung up.

      It would be better if it went on hold so you didn't miss anything. Aside from that, nice idea.

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    2. Re:Two things by atta1 · · Score: 1
      audio should automatically mute itself when the phone goes off hook, and unmute when the phone is hung up

      You obviously don't have teenage children. With this feature, my entire house would be muted about 14 hours a day.
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    3. Re:Two things by plover · · Score: 1
      Phone-to-entertainment system integration would be great! Imagine caller ID blinking near the bottom of the screen, and with the universal remote I could choose to answer it, foist it off to the answering machine, or just plonk it. If I answered it, the system's speakers would play the callers voice, and an in-room microphone would allow me to answer (or possibly a Bluetooth microphone mounted on the universal remote.)

      I'd like to better synchronize my TV sets. Right now, I have a digital cable box/DVR for the HDTV, a ReplayTV decoding and recording the analog cable in the living room, a Hauppauge analog computer tuner tied to the cable in the computer room, and a straight analog TV in the kitchen. All four of them are starkly out of sync, usually by a few seconds. If all four are loud enough to hear simultaneously, it's like living in "Row, Row, Row your Boat" land.

      ( I have a Logitech Harmony 880 remote right now, and I love what it did for the HDTV setup. It's 100% wife friendly. As a matter of fact, it's 100% Luddite aunt-and-uncle friendly, too, so I bought one for them. I found the biggest advantage of the Harmony over the Pronto is the default setups are almost perfect out of the box. I hated having to train or hunt down .CCF files for every random device. )

      If my wife liked background music more, I'd want a synchronized whole-house audio system. I'm a bit leery of the ethernet-based setups, as I was at a restaurant when one unit near us went out of sync with the others -- ouch.

      I'd like my home heating system available via the web using my cell phone. I want to be able to go on vacation, and have the heat pump keep the house at a maintenance level while I'm gone, but allow me to check on it. Then, when I'm driving home (or at the airport or wherever) I can access it remotely to tell it "we're coming home now, bring up the heat (or bring on the A/C) and run the fan at full speed to stir up the air." I already have a brand-new fancy two-stage furnace and heat pump, with a house humidifier in the system. And I have a brand new very fancy setback thermostat to run it all, but it has no external communications capability (as far as I know.)

      I'd like the security system to recognize when we've left. It doesn't have to know where we all are, but it should know when nobody's home and arm itself. As a matter of fact, a cell phone portal for the security system would probably work OK too, but wouldn't be as important. At least then I could check to see if I set the alarm or not.

      In the kitchen, I currently have an LCD TV. It has input connectors for a PC, but because there is no good place in a kitchen for a keyboard and mouse, I don't have a PC there. A stowable keyboard might be an OK choice, but I'm thinking along the lines of a "video keyboard" like someone developed for the Palm platform. It consists of a laser diode with a mask shaped like a keyboard -- it projects a keyboard image via laser light. And it has a camera that watches for finger touches on the surface. Very clever, and would be perfect for a kitchen counter where cleanliness is always an issue. The keyboard laser could even be motion activated -- don't display the keyboard unless someone is standing in front of it, for example.

      Oh, and I'd like to have a refrigerator / freezer alarm that would alert me if the temperature goes too high.

      If I had a PC in the kitchen, it'd be nice to keep the grocery list on line, accessible via cell phone browser.

      I have a washer and dryer in the basement. I would like to be able to know when the clothes are clean and dry upstairs, so I can go down and put the next load in. I'd also like to be able to find out how many minutes are left in the cycle -- there's an LED digital count down on the front of each, so the machines obviously know it.

      I'd like to be notified when the water softener is low on salt.

      The basement water alarm should be tied into the system, too, as should fire/smoke detectors, CO

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  19. My requests by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering that the first things I did when I moved into my house were to build a movie theater in the attic and wire the whole house for audio, video, and Internet, I'm definitely in your target market ;-).

    Here are the things I would love to have but am too lazy to have actually gotten around to:

    The ability to wirelessly stream TV from any of my DVRs to any of my laptops.

    Ringing the doorbell should automatically pause any television, movies, or music playing and bring up the front (or side) door-cam

    Similarly, video and audio should pause when the phone rings.

    Be able to use any device in my house as the source for my whole-house audio-video system (currently only the devices in my living room system can function as sources).

    I want a security system that allows me to check the status of my house (hopefully including seeing pictures) from an internet connection. I travel a lot, and it would make me feel better to be able to see that everything is okay.

    And some general comments:

    After playing around with a bunch of universal remotes, I can categorically state that the Home Theater Master MX-850 (Aeros) is my favorite. I have played with a bunch of high-end touchscreens like Crestrons, and actually have a HTM MX-3000 for my theater, but I find that the "wow!" factor is offset by the day-to-day reality that hard-buttoned remotes are easier to live with.

    I don't give a rats' ass about having video screens hidden. I paid a lot of money for my plasma screens, and I'm perfectly okay with having people able to see them. However, while I don't want to hide them, I am perfectly okay with disguising them. I would love to have my main plasma framed so that it looked like a painting on the wall, and I think the ones that look like mirrors when they are off are awesome as well.

    I do like to have video in unusual places. I have a high-def TV mounted over the master bathtub which can receive audio and video from the whole-house network. We don't use it very often, but it's great for escaping from reality for a little while. Similarly, I would like to eventually have a weatherproof TV mounted next to my hot tub.

    I guess basically the bottom line is that I want to be able to get my video and audio from any device to any device easily. I am unfortunately very busy, and really don't have a lot of time to watch TV or movies -- so being able to fire up a recorded copy "The Simpsons" on my laptop (without the bother of downloading a torrent or ripping a DVD) would make it easier for me to enjoy those few minutes I do have.

    Now, that said, I have no intention of actually work with a company like yours. I mean no offense, but in my experience, installation companies like to choose absolutely ridiculously expensive equipment and spend far too much time trying to maximize their profits. The simple fact is that in many cases white paint (cost: $20) provides a projection surface superior to even the much-vaunted Stewart Firehawk (cost: $thousands), and yet I don't think there is a theater company in the world that would actually admit that.

    My screen (160" with an Infocus 7205) is white paint. Sherwin Williams Ultrapaint, to be precise. It looks like a real screen, because I have the projection surface framed off with duvetyne tape and the rest of the wall painted dark blue, and I have had very knowledgeable people comment that it's the best image they have ever seen. And it's just white paint. Similarly, my DVD player cost me $50. The output is completely and utterly indistinguishable from a $1500 Denon (and yes, we have run blind tests -- nobody could tell the difference). So I'm very jaded about the home theater industry in general.

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    1. Re:My requests by deman1985 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I'm hurt!
      Now, that said, I have no intention of actually work with a company like yours. I mean no offense, but in my experience, installation companies like to choose absolutely ridiculously expensive equipment and spend far too much time trying to maximize their profits
      Indeed, it is an image that is unfortunately associated with my company's industry all to often. Installers have come to recognize that the easiest way to make a quick buck is to go after the customers with deep pockets who want to show off. Someone who wants to show off doesn't want to have the same DVD player, projector or audio system as the average joe, even if it is professionally installed. As a result, most installers don't cater to projects under $5k, and shudder at the thought of using equipment from the likes of Sony.

      While I can't deny being guilty of trying to push the higher end equipment myself, I've made sure to set my company up to offer people a wide range of options and I don't set any minimum cut off. If someone already has all the equipment they want and just want their wiring redone, I'm more than happy to take on the project. That doesn't mean I don't prefer and bend over backwards more for customers who want the whole package, though. And, in some applications, there just aren't that many low-cost options for off-the-shelf automation equipment that works reliably; that's why I hope to extend my company into manufacturing eventually.
    2. Re:My requests by egomaniac · · Score: 3, Informative

      For me, it's not about the money per se but what I actually get for it. My theater cost me about $70,000, which certainly isn't super-high-end, but I expect it was enough to have gotten most installers' ears to perk up.

      But because I did it myself and carefully selected components with overall value in mind, I have a theater which (as far as I'm concerned) blows away a lot of $250,000 theaters. Not all of them, certainly, but a lot of them. I used a cheap-ass DVD player because that's all you need, a pretty good but not stellar projector because I expected to throw it away in a few years when better models come out, and absolutely amazing speakers because they are a mature technology which can already reproduce sounds better than my hearing can distinguish them and I mean to hang on to them for life. And no screen at all, because with a nice flat wall, a completely light-controlled room, and a bright projector, a screen provides literally no advantage (it's plenty bright with a gain of 1.0, so increasing gain would merely serve to produce hotspotting).

      Again, truly no offense meant by my earlier comment.

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    3. Re:My requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you deal with the replacement bulbs on the 7205? We burn (no pun intended) though projector bulbs at work like paper plates. That gets quite expensive... and these spend most of the time off, unlike the high use a entertainment system would get.

      Wouldn't it suck if you were in the middle of watching the Super Bowl with 40 friends when the bulb burnt out?

    4. Re:My requests by RevRigel · · Score: 1

      What the hell did you spend $70k on, then?

    5. Re:My requests by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Informative
      What the hell did you spend $70k on, then?

      The GP post made mention of speakers being a mature technology worth investing in. It's awfully easy to spend USD$70k on speakers. When it comes to mature technologies that can actually make a difference in the quality of the entertainment experience, audio gear can get really expensive, really quick.

      I'm in my 40s and my ears aren't so good anymore, so even if I were incredibly rich I would have no reason to buy the best speakers out there. Still, based on easily discernible quality differences I could justify $20k to $30k for a (standard 2-speaker) stereo system. (To be fair, I could get 90% of that performance out of a $5k system, but I hope you take my point.) Add to that the extra speakers required by a theater and by multi-room sound, plus the infrastructure, and you can easily spend $70k even if you do use a $50 DVD player.

    6. Re:My requests by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      How do you deal with the replacement bulbs on the 7205? We burn (no pun intended) though projector bulbs at work like paper plates. That gets quite expensive... and these spend most of the time off, unlike the high use a entertainment system would get.

      Wouldn't it suck if you were in the middle of watching the Super Bowl with 40 friends when the bulb burnt out?


      Actually I haven't lost a bulb yet. Only have about 800 hours on it though. At the moment it's a "deal with it when it happens" thing -- if the bulb lasts another few years, I might just get another projector when it finally dies.

      Do you have adequate ventilation for your projectors at work? These things are supposed to last 3,000 hours. Mine is in a sealed hush box with two 120mm fans providing ventilation through ducts to the equipment closet, so it stays relatively cool.

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    7. Re:My requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You people are insane! Who has the kind of money you people are talking about and if you do have it to spend it on speakers? Come on. The majority of the people who read these posts make well under 100K a year.

    8. Re:My requests by egomaniac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What the hell did you spend $70k on, then?

      Here's the rough cost breakdown:

      Physical construction (walls, floor, etc.): $25,000
      Carpet/paint: $4,000
      Seats: $8,000
      Projector: $6,000
      Speakers: $20,000
      Electronics: $4,000

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    9. Re:My requests by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I agree - put your money somewhere that it makes a difference. SOUND SYSTEM!

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    10. Re:My requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ringing the doorbell should automatically pause any television, movies, or music playing and bring up the front (or side) door-cam

      uuh... I don't know about that...

      picture yourself and the old lady enjoying some nice pr0n on video, having a nice time... the doorbell rings, the movies stops, and there it is: your mom's face looking at both of you in your 43'' TV.

      now try to take that image out of your mind...

    11. Re:My requests by davidroe · · Score: 1

      I am unfortunately very busy, and really don't have a lot of time to watch TV or movies -- so being able to fire up a recorded copy "The Simpsons" on my laptop (without the bother of downloading a torrent or ripping a DVD) would make it easier for me to enjoy those few minutes I do have.

      $70K well spent, then.

      /dave

    12. Re:My requests by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      I hired some guys for a very small job. They wanted to spec some specific gear -- it didn't meet certain of my specific needs (e.g. multi-region dvd, PAL VCR etc). The guy very kindly pushed back with the comment, "We spec and supply the gear because we know it works, know its idiosyncrasies, and that's part of how we make our profit." Cool, I could deal with that. I explained my constraints, and they found something that worked for both of us -- and I reckon better than I could have spec'd myself.

      I wish everybody I do business with could be the same way. Explain what both sides need and get the job done in a manner satisfactory to both.

    13. Re:My requests by hattig · · Score: 1

      My theater cost me about $70,000, which certainly isn't super-high-end

      Pray tell me about what a super-high-end theatre setup would have!

      I was just getting ideas about doing my loft up as a movie room with white paint and all that, comfy sofas, mini fridges ... and then you have to throw in that $70k figure. :(

    14. Re:My requests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long have you used it to get to 800 hours? I conservatively estimate 5-6 hours of use per day... so 500-600 days. A $300 bulb replacement is like buying a new 32" TV every year and a half for my usage. Not knocking it, as it sounds quite cool.

      I'd be more likely to try this route if I could get a good LED Projector... but they aren't bright enough yet... and I imagine brightness is key for a big projector entertainment system.

      Do get alot of problems with dumb-asses standing in the projection path?

      As for work, all the projectors are the same brand/make and are ceiling mounted... heat rises and I'm sure contributes to the problem. Keeping them running is not in my domain so I don't know the details, but other friends have had similar problems.

    15. Re:My requests by NateTech · · Score: 1

      I'm glad there's people like you around, so I can buy your speakers at estate sales for pennies on the dollar.

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    16. Re:My requests by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1
      You people are insane! Who has the kind of money you people are talking about and if you do have it to spend it on speakers?

      Welcome to the world of high-end audio. Yes, there are lots of insane people there. The funny thing is, there are plenty of insane people with ridiculous amounts of money. Personally, I have about $3k invested in my simple, two-speaker record-playing system. At a high-end audio salon, that level marks me a total poverty case not worth pouring a glass of wine for.

      On the other end, there are speaker cables that cost $10k per foot, plenty of amps that cost more than $50k per channel (minimum 2 required), an astounding variety of speakers priced at over $250k for a two-channel stereo setup, isolation tables designed for electron microscopes adapted to use under turntables for I-don't-want-to-think-about-it money, and designers who'll tear down and rebuild half your house to get the acoustics right. I have personally spent a great deal of time playing with turntables that cost nearly $40k with tonearm and cartridge.

      Oh, and cartridges! This has always been one of my favorite areas. There are hideously expensive phono cartridges on the market that wear out and must be replaced so quickly that it would actually be cheaper to hire YoYo Ma to sit in your living room and play for you.

      People with ridiculous money buy ridiculous things. Personally, I think that season tickets to the symphony are a far better buy than a ridiculous stereo system. That doesn't change the fact that there will always be a small but viable market for diamond-encrusted cell phones, solid gold bathroom fixtures, million-dollar cars, and stereo systems that can, yes, top a million dollars.

      People have always been like that. Al Capone, iirc, was famous for having expensive custom suits made. He wore a new one every day then threw it away. High-end stereo is just, if you'll pardon the pun, a new verse in the same old song.

    17. Re:My requests by woolio · · Score: 1

      So I'm very jaded about the home theater industry in general.

      You should be. People promote 96khz sampling rate audio (0-48khz range) despite the fact that most adults can't hear past 15khz and most kids can't hear past ~20khz.

      Even more disturbing is that there is not a whole lot of difference between 8bit and 16bit audio. (Yes, there is a small noticeable difference, but it is not huge).

      Which means audio isn't going to get a whole lot better [in terms of clarity] than CD-quality. (In some sense, CDs are over-engineered, considering how many people are happy with low-bitrate mp3s)

      I'm not an audio buff, but I would guess the only remaining (incremental) advancements are in the multi-channel area and perhaps in more sophisticated stereo amps/receivers [e.g. the ability to automatically equalize for the room's characteristics with a hand-held mic]. And possibly active noise cancellation -- but this may be inherently limited.

    18. Re:My requests by pthisis · · Score: 1

      My screen (160" with an Infocus 7205) is white paint. Sherwin Williams Ultrapaint, to be precise. It looks like a real screen, because I have the projection surface framed off with duvetyne tape and the rest of the wall painted dark blue, and I have had very knowledgeable people comment that it's the best image they have ever seen. And it's just white paint. Similarly, my DVD player cost me $50.

      Amen. There are some ridiculously good buys out there (my DVD player was $100 or so in 1999). You can get quality B&W speakers for under $250 that have far better sound than crap like Bose and approaching that of high-end Tannoy, Hales, Martin-Logan, etc. Don't even get me started on Monster cable.

      A lot of the home theater industry is more about sales and comparing to crap rather than good values on good performance. Admittedly, it's not really unique to the home theater industry, but it's an area where a lot of consumers who don't do a lot of research are unaware of cheaper, better alternatives than what they will get if they visit 2-3 places and listen to the salespeople's recommendations. And it's reinforced by getting absolute junk or mistuned gear to do comparisons with.

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  20. man, talk about budget-breakers! by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First of all, we'll need an architect, we'll have to resurrect John Lautner.

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    1. Re:man, talk about budget-breakers! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      And closets, lots and lots of closets.
      I really can't grok how real people can achieve the zen-like detachment from personal possessions that the residents of Architectural Review -land obviously enjoy.

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    2. Re:man, talk about budget-breakers! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Bah, lets bring back Le Corbusier. :)

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    3. Re:man, talk about budget-breakers! by steveness · · Score: 1

      Or, if you're feeling adventurous, why not B.S. Johnson? Although I'm not sure that's a house you'd want to live in...

  21. futuristic home by prurientknave · · Score: 5, Funny

    I want a futuristic home that pays its own property taxes. that way i can live in it forever.

    1. Re:futuristic home by SeeMyNuts! · · Score: 1


      No kidding. I wonder how many people, after getting their interest-only balloon-payment mortgage, get burnt after realizing they are bilked for $6000/year in property tax?

      "Man, that really is a nice library! Oooh, look at the schools! Gilded goal posts!"
      (one week elapses)
      "What do you mean you don't accept post-dated checks? If it's good in 2051, it's good today, right?"

    2. Re:futuristic home by sckeener · · Score: 1

      I want a futuristic home that pays its own property taxes. that way i can live in it forever.

      I know you are joking, but I totally agree. I hate feeling like I am forever having to pay rent.

      I want the government to stick to progressive income taxes and not shaft me year after year.....It would be nice when I retire to not have to pay any more property taxes.

      with property taxes you never own your home....the government does.

      (ditto for sales taxes, but at least I can choose those....)

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    3. Re:futuristic home by boy_afraid · · Score: 0

      I think it is time to petition our Representatives (HEY! Stop laughing!). If I don't have kids I shouldn't have to pay School Property Taxes, dammit! Also, when I'm old I should STOP paying ALL PROPERTY TAXES, period.

      If you don't vote that way, I'm voting you out. Hey, you know that AARP is the biggest voting block, right?

    4. Re:futuristic home by khallow · · Score: 1

      Actually, I have the opposite viewpoint. The government should tax property and wealth exclusively not income. After all, the government ultimately is a protection racket, and land and wealth is what they are protecting. OTOH, income creates wealth. So why hinder a good thing?

    5. Re:futuristic home by dajak · · Score: 1

      I agree to this in principle. The problem is that there is more than one government you can choose from and most wealth is in the hands of people that are not tied to land or a job. The first countries to do this will see their tax base collapse.

      Ireland is a notable case: it used to be one of the poorest EU countries, but its predatory flat 10% corporate tax rate for profits from 'overseas firms' made it one of the richest (virtually speaking) in just a decade. But the difference between GDP and GNP is suspiciously high.

      Also 'modal' incomes in northwestern Europe and the US are for instance roughly equal, but when you have progressive tax rates up to 70% (as some European countries do) and high corporate tax rates, people on the Forbes list will declare their taxes somewhere else and you get a 30% gap in GDP and 'average' incomes. Think of Monaco, Luxemburg, Switzerland, etc. This gap is virtual from a comparative point of view but very real from a tax-collecting point of view.

      The wages of Joe Average is the only stable tax base if you allow people to move around freely. The alternative is collecting taxes on land, and tolls at gates and bridges at the same time as medieval rulers did, but that is very harmful to trade.

  22. Green/backup power...mmmmm by COBOLgrrl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I love the idea of "green" backup power via wind and/or solar so that a power outage will no longer mean that I'm without PC/TV/fridge/water/etc. I'd like one of those flash water heaters, too, so that I only heat as much water as I need. And can I have windows that automatically adjust to the outdoor light level, with optional manual override? Oh, and I don't need carpets, so how about one of those cool radiant-heat under the floor systems?

    1. Re:Green/backup power...mmmmm by Mike_Van · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would not need to be large (less than 1500 sq ft.). Its space should be passively heated/cooled as the seasons require, employ radiant solar hot-water heat, employ heat-exchangers to extract therms out of any air expelled, and be able to generate/store its own power (PV panels, micro-hydro, wind, battery backup). Self-sufficiency, of course, requires planning that involves deliberate choices of appliances (clothes-washer, fridge, LED lighting that turns on/off by sensing body heat and/or light in a room, laptops instead of Desktop PCs). Wiring for information technology is a given (CAT5, coax, POTS). A dual plumbing system that allows for toilets to be flushed with grey-water would be optimal. And, of course, a cistern for rainwater catchment. An attached green-house for food-production would be desirable (not included in the 1500 sq. ft.).

  23. Automation Interaction? by ThyPiGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a EE senior specializing in controls and also working for a small scale home automation company. My senior design project is a built from scratch auomation system offering wireless light control, temperature control, and media (IR) control. It will also provide energy monitoring.

    The fun part about the project is coming up with ways to intereact with the system. I want to make it as scalable and expandable as possible, allowing any hobbyist to add functionality as they choose. How would you readers like to interact with your house? Voice seems simplest and the least messy, but what creative ways would you enjoy interacting with your home?

    1. Re:Automation Interaction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what creative ways would you enjoy interacting with your home?

      Sexually. Make the lights flare for the really good thrusts, and quickly ramp up the fanfare music as I climax (just set the timer for 2min33secs).

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    2. Re:Automation Interaction? by hot+soldering+iron · · Score: 1

      You mean UI design, right?

      Voice is okay for simple commands to perform pre-programmed actions, but it can be terribly unprecise and get on your nerves pretty damn quick.

      That pretty much means that you're stuck with a gui/touchscreen/web browser or TV display and remote, or maybe you could use a cordless phone and menu system. Or all the above. Just setup all the interfaces to be able to access all the program functions. After all, different people like to do things different ways, i.e. how many ways can you cook an egg?

      Some functions will be easier to do using one interface over another. If I'm in the backyard grilling burgers, I'm more likely to have the cordless phone with me, and if I'm in my home office I've got multiple PCs at my fingertips.
      I'm not going to try to program a new function using the voice system. I'll use the PC to write scripts, or build a VB-type module. I'd set it up so my mom could use the TV remote and maybe the phone for the simple stuff, but the more advanced features would require more capable interfaces. Just remember: when in doubt, ask a small child or elderly person to try and do something without coaching them. If they have to ask any questions, write them down and fix the problem! Design icons, images, and program flow so the user never needs to read a manual or help file. You might also have different "levels" of interface, like a game does: beginner (easy, with animated explainations), intermediate (scripting, popup hint balloons), and advanced (complex, plug-ins, API docs and SDKs).

      Remember: most people aren't geeks like us. They hire us to make this shit easy for them!

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  24. I think I speak for everyone here by r00b · · Score: 1

    I would love for my living room to look like the bridge of the Enterprise.

    1. Re:I think I speak for everyone here by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      And a holodeck in the garage.

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    2. Re:I think I speak for everyone here by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Don't tell that to the guy above who wants Serenity instead. ;-)

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    3. Re:I think I speak for everyone here by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      which Enterprise? TOS, NG, X. For space and comfort NG had the best layout. I could see the main viewer as an awesome projection screen, the science station hooked to a semi automated dumb waiter that pulls snacks from a freezer, heats them up and delivers them on deck.

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    4. Re:I think I speak for everyone here by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Complete with that big honkin' viewscreen? I can't imagine trying to watch a movie on that thing. I'd spend half the time thinking "Wow, I can see every one of Natalie Portman's pores..."

      Speaking of which, it's amazing that Picard could be that cool and collected when negotiating with the eight foot tall floating heads that constantly showed up in front of him. The easiest way to gain an advantage over the captain would be to show up on screen with something stuck between your teeth.

      "Your weapons are no match for us, puny humans. Lower your shields and prepare to be boarded."

      "Number one, fire all... er, I mean... use our transporters to...., er... My god, is that spinach?"

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  25. The dream ... by Lanhdanan · · Score: 1

    Windows that let sun in, but keep nosy people out.

    Hidden passages throughout the house, including a tunnel or two!

    An entertainment room that would put Imax to shame.

    underground garage - - kinda like the old batman TV show, only without the bats and crimefighting tech

    an open flow/feel to every common area (kitchen, living room, dining room, balcony, patio, etc )

    BIG back yard with all the fixin's -- pool, play ground

    Small race track for bikes or minicars around said BIG yard (10+ acres)

    helicopter pad (and helicopter of course)

    just about every form of anti-spying technology possible. If you want to peek, ya gotta come to the front door.

    gates encompassing the entire front yard to keep people out from asking about my house. w/cameras, electrified fence, dogs, etc ...

    elevated lake side view

    Gotta have a sun room ...

    Bed room that has nearly 360 degrees of windows (see ideal window above) ... and has automated curtains

    voice activated everything. Stove, TV, stereo, computer, doors ...

    im sure there is more, but that is just off the top of my head :)

    1. Re:The dream ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > [long post snipped]

      You want what I want. A Reconditioned Missile Silo.

      Windows on the above-ground facilities. All the tunnels and underground garage space you want in the rest. A back yard big enough for its own airstrip.

      And as for security - you can't beat a 2000-pound blast door for keeping nosy neighbors at bay.

    2. Re:The dream ... by rah1420 · · Score: 1

      I'm burning mod points, darn it, but I just couldn't resist...

      Hidden passages throughout the house, including a tunnel or two!

      You mean like this?

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    3. Re:The dream ... by YaRness · · Score: 1

      You don't like crimefighting gadgets?

    4. Re:The dream ... by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      Oooh... I like how you think!!!!

      Bedroom would need those windows that have the blinds that can entirely shut out light (I like to sleep at weird hours.. especially if I have been programming all night). There were some awesome ones at a German apartment I lived in.... The blinds would shut out every last bit of light or you could leave them open just a notch if you wanted.. Perfect for a bed room. Also blocks out heat if the sun is shining directly on them in the summertime..

      But yeah. I'm a huge fan of windows... ;)

      Hidden passages are definitely fun. :)

      My open flow area of living room, dining room, would be accentuated by archways.. :) I like them to be defined yet the openness is a nice. Seems larger and less claustrophobic.

      Not sure I would need a helicopter pad.. but hey, since I wanna be out in the country somewhere anyway.. it wouldn't hurt to have a spot for them to land in case of emergency.

      Large yard a must. Wouldn't mind having horses and a fishing pond...

      Course, I wouldn't mind having something (on a much smaller scale) from Blast From the Past... ya know, just in case.. (Yeah, I'm weird...)

      And of course a dream office and a library full of books..

      *grin*
      Hope you don't mind that I took your dream home and expanded on it.. it was quite fun! Like I said, I like how you think!

      *hug*
      Kris

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    5. Re:The dream ... by Lanhdanan · · Score: 1

      Gah!! How could i forget the library!

      Gotta be oval, HUGE shelves ... with those sliding ladders (with the wheels on rails on top) ... broken into sections ... fireplace, comfy chair ... love seats places at N,W,E,S of the room ...

      Archs on the room entrances also a good idea ... as well as the pond ... water fowl of various sorts enjoying the peace and quiet ... the helicopter would be for emergency as well as travel. Nearest airport to get to my jet ya know? ;)

      Would have an astronomy room, with big-ass telescope (hey, its a fantasy right! :) ...

      Sports Den ... pool table and poker tables ... bar and stools (cliche, but they are for a reason ... damn kool :) ... another big ass HD TV ... memorbilia galore!

      So many ideas ... so little money to even make the drawings let alone the actual house!

      Thanks for adding the dream!

    6. Re:The dream ... by Kris_B_04 · · Score: 1

      Oh! The telescope is a definite must! Good catch!!

      Pool table. YEAH! Dart Board!! Gotta have a dart board!

      Fireplace.. but not JUST in the library.. *grin* Okay, so, I like fire!!!

      And instead of the slider ladders, I just want it to have a circular stair case or numerous levels looking down to the center of the room. In fact, the fire place could be there... or a fire pit of sorts... hmmm...

      *sigh* Dream big!! ;)
      Kris

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      Remember when Windows were washed, mice were trapped and UNIX guarded the harem?
    7. Re:The dream ... by Lanhdanan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, spiral staircase would be better. Double floor library inside a 'pillar' structure part of the house. ... think 'small grain silo' off of one of the corners of the house ... and the library would be using all the space ... want sun from East and West corners. I love reading in natural light ... Big skylight windows that can open upon voice command ... btw, everything in this house is voice activated, for luxury as well as emergency ...

      Damn ... i gotta get me about 4 or 5 million dollars :)

      The dream lives on ...

      Lan

  26. I don't ask for much... by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    One that's paid for in full. Just a future goal, not a futuristic one.

  27. Shipping container by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think I would like to live in a modernist prefab home like the ones listed here. The shipping container home looks damn cool too.

  28. A grass hut on an island not under water by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    given that global warming will cause many to disappear, and that the resulting ice age will make such warm properties to be very disirable.

    Oh, with beautiful women, natch.

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  29. Ideal Home by DeadlyEmbrace · · Score: 1

    Obviously.... it would have to have a secret passage and a bat cave!

    1. Re:Ideal Home by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 1

      And it should be on a private island.

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    2. Re:Ideal Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously.. if your reading slashdot your not Batman...

  30. Ditto! by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 1
    I wouldn't mind a bit of green tech, either - houses designed with big south facing windows and large eaves to let in lots of sunlight in the winter but little in the summer, perhaps solar water heating, perhaps a heat pump, perhaps a wind turbine if in a windy area, etc. For really esoteric, on a big house you could go with a solar thermal evaporative cooler/heater: noiseless, takes no power, and has no moving parts except for the fan; heating and cooling are done by the same device.

    I'm with you! That's exactly what I'm talking about.

    The only thing that has me a little hesitant about solar is that you have to cut down enough trees so that enough sunlight can hit the panels on your roof. I like having the trees close to the house to shade the sun (especially during Summer) to help keep the house cool. There are trees that have plenty of leaves during the Summer to shade the house and they defoliate for the Winter letting the Sun in for the heat. But, what's the effect on the panels? Or is it a moot point?

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  31. Re:All of the above (TM) by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1



    I'm sorry, that trademark was registered by me in 1980. please desist from using it, or under DRM, I'll have to take possession of your dream home and have you pay for my lawyer to replace it with a substandard lot on a garbage dump.

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  32. Insulation, Insulation, Insulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in Alberta Canada. My heating bill (natural gas) is $200-$300 month in the Winter and I live in a relatively new, well insulated (I've checked) home. It's no wonder I need a high wage to keep alive compared to people living in more temperate climes :-)
    If I could live on $10,000 per year, I would (Simple living)...but I can't mainly because of the high cost of keeping warm. (my single family house property taxes are also $2,000/year to pay for all the city services in a much-too-huge, much-too-spread-out city.
    Get rid of all garages too so that we can get rid of cars. People have to take either public transit, bike, or walk.

    If I had enough time to rebuild and do it right... Triple pane glass, better furnace "zones", and insulation up the wazoo.

    Thomas

  33. Alton Brown designed kitchen by SatanMat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As EVERY good geek shold know Alton Brown shold design the kitchen to be mulitasked, and well hacked.

  34. I can't afford it anyway, so why bother? by LordNimon · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Given that most people's spending habits (or abilities) don't cover what's currently available, perhaps you should focus on making current technology more affordable, rather than trying to invent new gizmos?

    There are lots of things I could do today that I can't afford to. For instance, I'd love to be able to put a bunch of wireless cameras throughout the house that can be remotely activated and viewed on a handheld. That would allow my wife to keep an eye on our kids without having to search through the house every time. But even though a cheapo webcam is $40, such a configuration would cost thousands with the products that are available on the market.

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    1. Re:I can't afford it anyway, so why bother? by deman1985 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Out of curiosity, what would be a feasible price point for something like what you described?

      I don't disagree that the pricing on much of the currently available home integration technologies is out of reach of most consumers. My ultimate goal with my company is to eventually move into the design side of integration equipment and make the technology more widely accessible, but that is some time off. My personal belief as to why it is so "overpriced" in comparison with PC's and more common consumer electronics is simply the niche market that is has been in for so long. Even for international companies like Crestron, their mass production numbers can't come anywhere close to what Dell does. By the time enough units have been shipped of a particular technology to bring the price down, that technology is vastly out of date. There is also limited competition on the manufacturing side. This combined with the commonly held view that home integration (or variations of it) is a luxury forces the technology to stay below that threshold where competition, mass production and wide availability pushes the price down. It will happen eventually, though, don't worry.

    2. Re:I can't afford it anyway, so why bother? by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      Out of curiosity, what would be a feasible price point for something like what you described?

      About $500 for 10 cameras and a monitor. It doesn't matter to me that the technology may be worth more, that's all I can justify spending for what it gives me.

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    3. Re:I can't afford it anyway, so why bother? by NateTech · · Score: 1

      Work on coming up with the McDonald's model for the "average Joe" for this type of thing. Their food is only barely adequate, but it's prepared and served virtually exactly the same, nationwide. (I'd say world, but they serve different things to match cultural differences, etc.)

      If you could build your business into the "it may not be perfect, but if you have these guys do it, it'll be done reasonably well for a reasonable price" you'll be sitting on a gold mine.

      In fact, you could pair up with home builders to put in a "certified" system with your name on it, if you ever get that big.

      Right now, home automation and theatre systems are in that juvenile stage where everything is custom, because the price tag is so high, people expect royal treatment.

      If I could call up a company and say -- come give me your "CyberHouse with Medium Theatre to-go option" and the price point were right and the warranty was flawless... from a national company big enough to "be around a while", I'd probably do it.

      Just thoughts...

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  35. An Idealized house... by Zitchas · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Well, for the actual house design, I think we all have our own desires as to that, and probably for the better. As far as technology itself goes, there's a fair number of extras I'd love to have in my house. Most of these would, ideally, not be overly visible changes in decor or anything. Technology is good, but I like to keep it low profile.

    1) The entire house being a Faraday Cage would be very nice. I'm not sure how hard it would be to build it perfectly without doing silly things like getting rid of windows, but it shoud be possible to get one that is substantially intact. With the prevalance of wireless *everything* nowdays, I enjoy being able to keep it all on the outside. Probably do good things for my risk of getting cancer and whatnot too. (and becomes an eternal cellphone black-out zone as an added bonus...)

    2) Shielded power supply that keeps electronic stuff from interfering with each other.

    2b) UPS protected power supply wired in for a small range of "essential" stuff, and for those things that really shouldn't be at the mercy of power fluctuations and what not. Along the lines of a single pair of plugs per room (using different colored plugins to differentiate)

    2c) Alternate power supplies: Whether it be solar panels, a small wind turbine, or whatever, something would be good. Understandably, it might not be able to keep the entire house running, but it'd be good to have *something*, anyway.

    3) Phone and network jacks in every room. Standard phone jack, and whatever one desires as a network interface for that. But one port for each in every room, and all wired into a nice spot for a router. In my case, I'd want it on a shelf out of the way in my comp area where I could still see it/acces it, but it'd never get in the way.

    4) Alternate heating: If at all possible, solar water heater tank, maybe even full scale solar heating. If local terrain permits, geothermal heating/cooling. The fridge could be tied directly into the later, making the kitchen quiter and reducing inefficiencies in the system. (heat inside the fridge isn't stuck into the area immidiadly surrounding it to warm it up again)

    5) Good, variable, lighting: Sometimes I like to have bright lights illuminating everything, sometimes I don't want anything more than indirect gentle lighting. Likewise, the option to let good large amouts of natural light in would be a deffinite plus, although the blinds or covers would also be desired. I'm not a fan of those big glass houses with zero-privacy.

    6) At least two exterior doors, on opposite sides of the house from each other. Not that I feel the need to always have escape options, but sometimes I may just need to leave the house in the opposite direction of the front door, for whatever reason. That, and I like having equally easy access to both front and back yards.

    6b) That being said, having at least one door being wheelchair accessible would be nice. I don't have very many friends in wheelchairs, but should I invite them over, I'd like at least the public part of my house (aka living room, dining room, entryway, and a bathroom) to be accessible. Note that doesn't necesarily require that the house have each of those as seperate rooms (depending on budget and design, the first three could very well be a single room). And as far as that goes, if chance should happen that I am in a wheelchair for some reason, I'd like to be able to live in at least part of my house without problem.

    7) Garages: A garage is optional, I don't really see much need for one, unless I'm located out of town a long ways or need to comute long distances for some other reason. But a half-sized garage would be nice, about the right size for a couple bicycles or a motorcycle... Regardless, though, the garage should NOT be a central feature in the house. All those houses that look like someone designed a garage and stuck a house on the back look, quite honestly, extre

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    1. Re:An Idealized house... by dajak · · Score: 1

      1) The entire house being a Faraday Cage would be very nice. I'm not sure how hard it would be to build it perfectly without doing silly things like getting rid of windows, but it shoud be possible to get one that is substantially intact. With the prevalance of wireless *everything* nowdays, I enjoy being able to keep it all on the outside. Probably do good things for my risk of getting cancer and whatnot too. (and becomes an eternal cellphone black-out zone as an added bonus...)

      I used to live in such a house. It was built in the 17th century. The trick with the windows is too use metal to colour the glass. My windows were just slightly bluish in tint, but completely blocked mobile phone signal. On the walls and doors you can use lead paint like in the old days, but there are safer (and legal) alternatives nowadays.

    2. Re:An Idealized house... by Zitchas · · Score: 1
      Well, in the walls themselves one should be able to use proper metal sheating or mesh, but that would deffinitly do for the windows. Many of them (especially skylights) could even be brightly colored stained-glass windows (preferably pale blues and whites mainly), and then no-one would even notice that you'd done it.

      Lead paint would be a deffinite thing to avoid. I'd rather not risk poisoning myself or my family.

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  36. Two words by Billosaur · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Two words by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Funny

      Feh.

      The right two words are "Death Star."

      Because I like having a lot of room, deep chasms without guardrails, planet-destroying lasers, but I don't like the countryside. Too many trees, and not enough lasers.

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  37. Self-sufficiency by Carik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've spent quite a lot of time thinking about this recently, as I'm getting ready to move out of a condo, into a house.

    I'd like a house which is relatively self-sufficent: grid connected is fine, but I want solar/wind/hydro backup power, and a good battery bank so when the power lines go out, I can keep reading without having to dig out the candles. Something that's cheap to heat would be a plus, too: either high insulation values, or good passive-solar heating, or, more ideally, both. Sustainable heating would be a tremendous plus: either wood, or a multi-fuel furnace.

    Built in conduit for running whatever the networking preference of the week is would be nice, as well as an electrical system that can handle a few additions to the house.

    Oh, and one other thing: it needs to look like a HOUSE. Not a flying saucer. Not a pile of concrete. Not a space-ship, a dinosaur, or a giant fuzzy pumpkin. A house.

  38. Dymaxion! by M33574+PHr3N371K · · Score: 1

    If you're in the market for a futuristic dream home, you should probably take a look at Buckminster Fuller's Dymaxion House:

    http://www.hfmgv.org/dymaxion/opening.html

    (It's a shame they never went into large-scale production)

    -PHr3N371K

  39. Thermostat knows if I won't be home soon. by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    I programmed one of my servers to notice if I'm logged on to the computer at work. If I am then it relaxes the temperature setpoint. When it sees me log off it returns the setpoint to normal so that the house is comfortable when I get home.

    I don't have to do anything special; it simply notices whether I'm online at work or not and reacts accordingly.

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    1. Re:Thermostat knows if I won't be home soon. by hswerdfe · · Score: 1

      er...what if you go away...for the weekend/week?

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  40. List of prefect house factors by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
    1. As far away from the rest of humanity as possible.

    All other considerations are secondary. Crew expendable.

  41. Florida Xanadu is toast by teasea · · Score: 1

    It's not even rubble anymore. It took them a day to bulldoze it, and another two to cart the trash (i.e. the entire house). If you've ever seen one of these sad, fibreglass visions of the future, you will thank the powers that be they never caught on. I think the guy made a few bucks touting them to the tourists as something to see but, couldn't have been much.

  42. Camouflagellation by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "If you had access to an unlimited budget, what would you spend money on to make your home stand out? "

    Everything in my power to make it NOT stand out. I want the benefits of high-tech with the clean living of low-tech. One of my favorites are the speakers that you install in your walls, and then pain over the fronting when you paint your walls. Totally invisible, and great for playing pranks on unsuspecting houseguests.

    The only constraint on everything being hidden would be that everything needs to be easily accessible for tinkering/servicing.

    My biggest pet peeve, however, is the control systems for a lot of home electronics setups. I don't want to have to access my PC to change the thermostat setting, nor do I want to have a ridiculous remote or set of remotes. I would like to be able to control everything via my cell phone or PDA, locally or remotely.

    Finally, I want an army of fembots at my disposal, along with a place to store them.

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    1. Re:Camouflagellation by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      I'm building a house right now, and this is one thing that I've decided on. I'm installing a completely hidden audio system - well, the speakers are, I didn't like the options I was seeing for remote device access. Even the sub, which sounds surprisingly good for a box that's only 4" deep (in-wall mounting). The sound quality will be a step down for me, but I admitted that I would much rather have the space than my current level of quality.

      In other news, does anyone want to buy a great set of already-broken-in speakers? I'm selling a full-on Infinity Compositions setup:

      1) Center channel - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 2 6.5" woofers (linear array)
      2) Main speakers - 1 tweeter, 2 4" mids, 4 6.5" woofers (linear array), 1 12" powered sub (250w each)
      2) Surround speakers - 5 2.5" (?) drivers, one direct the others about 30 degrees off center
      1) Powered sub - 15" driver, 2 15" passive radiators, 1000w internal amp

      It's a pretty sweet setup. A few scratches on the speaker grills, but otherwise great, and its sonically pristine. Currently located in Austin, TX. You know, just in case.

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    2. Re:Camouflagellation by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I built a false wall in the last apartment I renovated -- very easy to nail in some 2x4 spacers and put up drywall / shelves / cabinet doors. Lost a little room space, but gained space for hidden eletronics & wiring (for rooms on both sides of the wall) as well as inset bookshelves for the LR and bar storage for the DR. Venting was an issue with sound leakage, never managed to figure out how to keep the sound from bleeding into the DR without putting in insulation that would block the venting.

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    3. Re:Camouflagellation by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      The big key here is to make each room acoustically separate. If there are components accessed in the LR, there need to be vents for that space back into the LR, above or below the rack. You can then put a decent amount of insulation - or even better, insulation with an air gap - between the two contained spaces. The other thing that helps a lot is to make sure that your in-wall speakers have baffles, rather than just being open to the space.

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    4. Re:Camouflagellation by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Next apt I refurbish, I'll take that into consideration -- though I've been trying to do it on the cheap (my personal living space is a different story). Insulation costs get big pretty quick.

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  43. Obvious answer... by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    One where the mortgage has a stamp on it that reads, "Paid in Full".

    (28 years and 3 months from now, I'm gonna tell the bank to KMA!)

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    1. Re:Obvious answer... by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      One where the mortgage has a stamp on it that reads, "Paid in Full".

      (28 years and 3 months from now, I'm gonna tell the bank to KMA!)


      KMA? "Kick My Ass"... ah... I see. As if they're not already doing a good job at that now.

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    2. Re:Obvious answer... by hattig · · Score: 1

      28 years? fuck-el!

      *says me, 20 years away from telling the building society to KMA*

  44. My Ideal Futuristic Home.... by chris_eineke · · Score: 1

    would be designed by someone who knows what she is doing.

    (The link is safe to click. T'was the first hit at google.)

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  45. Grunge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn I left 'Year's Best SF 2' in my locker at work, but I owe this vision to the one of the writers, author of 'Bicycle Repairman':

    It'll be like a trailer/cargo van, suspended from the ceiling of an abandoned skyscraper/abandoned hi-rise with cables, but you can raise or lower the box at will if you want to accept visitors, by means of a button (or throw switch). THe residence was hoisted by this group of urban climbers called the City Spiders. A hole was blasted on the side of the building, to let it through.

    Inside I will have all the tech I need. One room will look like Tank's control center, with cables and articulated swingarms, not just for monitors but for assorted beverages/snacks. Another will be nice and clean with a work center having a skylight. Think IonStorm's cubicle in that Dallas tower.

    Once in a while Jessica Alba would show up. But then the batteries for the holographic image would sputter and fizz.

  46. Hidden Passageways! by ikegami · · Score: 1

    A company named Hidden Passageway recently came to my attention/

  47. It always amazes me... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    The integrated house always comes down to "lots of televisions, audio and remote controls."

    I always wonder why people don't shoot for hi-tech that is truly integrated, mostly hidden and mostly about efficiency, not bling. Say, smart, zoned HVAC, super-efficient insulation and windows (say, even the LCD dimmable variety)--and to that effect, just a general attention to using advanced materials, design and techniques in the construction of the building itself, not just more gizmos in a standard sheetrocked McMansion.

    1. Re:It always amazes me... by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      The integrated house always comes down to "lots of televisions, audio and remote controls."

      I always wonder why people don't shoot for hi-tech that is truly integrated, mostly hidden and mostly about efficiency, not bling. Say, smart, zoned HVAC, super-efficient insulation and windows (say, even the LCD dimmable variety)--and to that effect, just a general attention to using advanced materials, design and techniques in the construction of the building itself, not just more gizmos in a standard sheetrocked McMansion.


      There are very good reasons for this:

      1) This house was already finished when I bought it. I had no say over the construction techniques used to build it.
      2) My house, as with most high-end homes, already has multi-zone HVAC (three in my case) and good insulation.
      3) Spending $50,000 to reduce my electric bill by $50/mo doesn't seem like a fair trade compared to spending $50,000 to make my life more pleasant and enjoyable.
      4) What makes you think that the technology isn't truly integrated and mostly hidden? When we have parties (which is often), we can fire up music in every room of the house with a push of the button. I personally think that's a fantastic use of technology.
      5) What's wrong with wanting to have nice TVs instead of crappy ones?

      So, if you want to spend your money differently than I chose to spend mine, great, good for you. For some reason, though, I'm willing to bet that your current place of residence doesn't include any of those efficiency upgrades you mention, and that whatever portion of your paycheck you can spare instead gets spent on fun stuff, just as mine does.

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    2. Re:It always amazes me... by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      Say, smart, zoned HVAC, super-efficient insulation

      How do you know he doesn't have smart, zoned HVAC? It's not horribly uncommon anymore, and it's even DIY-able.

      As for the insulation -- if you're building a new house, you have options. Spray foam insulation or (even better) prefabbed walls with integrated insulation are reasonable and likely to pay for themselves. If you're not building a new home, however, then they simply won't give you a return on your money. Close the cracks, add attic insulation, and insulate any outside walls that aren't already insulated. Beyond that, you're just wasting money.

      super-efficient insulation and windows (say, even the LCD dimmable variety)

      Even the most effectively insulated window may as well be treated as a hole in the wall -- they're just not that effective. And by "effectively insulated" I'm talking about double or triple paned with aerogel sandwiching. That's high tech. That's also an R value of about 5. Whoop de doo. If you have a huge solarium with HVAC then it might pay to go this way, but for your average window pane? You'll never recoup the costs over a "standard" high efficiency window (vinyl or wood frame, double or triple paned with good seals and a tint). Even that is going to take a long time to pay off over an average window -- really, think of a window as a hole in the house and you've got it.

      ust a general attention to using advanced materials, design and techniques in the construction of the building itself

      There are a lot of these, but they're not going to be done by your average builder. Take a look at any of the advanced, energy efficient showcase homes and you'll see this kind of stuff. And realize that most of the stuff in the showcase home is already available. Honestly, if you use spray foam insulation or the pre-fab insulated walls then you're not going to find much more in the way of energy savings (of course, the flipside is that you're also screwed if you want to run new cable/pipes through them -- plan ahead!). They're already hideously efficient. We're talking about a 5000 sq ft house in the Northeast US with heating bills of $100 in the middle of winter (IIRC).

    3. Re:It always amazes me... by rthille · · Score: 1

      I use the windows in our house to heat it in the winter and cool it in the summer. All it takes is some good blinds/curtains and the persistence to make use of them at the right time of the day/night.

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  48. All I want are Ethernet ports and a wiring closet. by Rekolitus · · Score: 1

    It would be simple and not overcomplicated, with no actual automation, but with consideration toward future improvement. Initially, it would have:

    • RJ-45 jacks in every room that run Cat5e or Cat6 cabling back to the wiring closet.
    • A wiring closet, positioned in consideration that wireless access points may be placed in it, and that ISP's cables may also be run into it.
    • If there is no RJ-45 jack and accompanying cable where I need it to be, it will not turn out to be utterly impossible to install one there.

    Later on:

    • Doorbell would be an IP device and get its power using PoE.
    • All telephones would be VoIP (and standards-compliant — no Skype), going to an Asterisk server that interfaces with the PSTN in the wiring closet.
    • Audio systems would not be permanently wired into the house. They would either be wireless, or run thru the RJ-45 jacks (either IP or just analog, [ab]using the Cat6 cable.)
  49. Here's the ironic part by glib909 · · Score: 1

    From wikipedia's Slashdot article

    * Article summaries with typos, mis-leading titles, or errors. * The presence of articles that many consider to be thinly veiled advertisements. These articles usually receive a large number of trolling comments, including insults towards the editors. * The posting of articles which report trivial research, long established facts, popular gossip, or blatant pseudo-science. Experts on the topic often criticize such stories with lengthy, insightful tirades.
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    1. Re:Here's the ironic part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      and your point?

    2. Re:Here's the ironic part by glib909 · · Score: 1

      My point is this: Did you see or hear a megaton rocket of sublimely clever hilarity zoom overhead?

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  50. OFF THE GRID by bgardella · · Score: 1

    I'd want my home completely off the grid. That way I can keep my meat refrigerated after Armageddon.

    --b

  51. Whole-house video... by Veldcath · · Score: 1

    How about a video distribution system where you carry an RFID "key" with you and as you move from room to room, the TV/stereo in the one you just left turns on and the one in the room you entered into turns on and tunes itself to the station/dvd/whatever you were watching in the other location - so you can keep watching as you move about doing other things.

    I'd love to have a system which would turn lights on/off ahead/behind me that's smart enough to know that if I was just in my bed to keep things dim, but could be overridden at any lightswitch.

    -V

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  52. Hot Chicks Room by jmhewitt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Realtor: This is the Hot Chicks Room. The breakfast table's just over this way...
    Wife: Excuse me? What was that room again?
    Realtor: Oh, this is the Hot Chicks Room. It's filled with assorted hot chicks, who party in here 24 hours a day. But you'd be more interested in the kitchen.
    Wife: You know what? We're not going to need a sexy chicks room.
    Realtor: Well, actually it's a Hot Chicks Room.
    Wife: Well, whatever it is, we don't need it.
    Husband: You said the same thing about the microwave, and we use that darned thing all the time.
    [to realtor]
    Husband: So, a Hot Chicks Room, huh?
    Realtor: Yeah. The previous owner installed the room in the 80's, and I'll be honest with you, some of the chicks aren't all that hot anymore. However, they are replacable.

    1. Re:Hot Chicks Room by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the best comics ever (in my opinion).

      Check them out:
      http://www.uprightcitizens.org/

    2. Re:Hot Chicks Room by serutan · · Score: 1

      My ideal futuristic home would consist of a big bed with Seven of Nine in it.

  53. A few things by metamatic · · Score: 2

    Ethernet to every room.

    Spare cables to every room.

    Triple coax from the roof to the living room, for satellite dish and local antenna. (I had to arrange extra coax myself, and it was a pain.)

    Hookups in the bathrooms for Toto washlets.

    Passive motion / IR sensors in every room to switch lights off after a while if there's nobody in the room, and turn down the heating or AC.

    Bath with thermostatic control and fill sensor. Set temperature, it fills itself and then chimes when it's ready.

    Panel in house that indicates outdoor temperature, weather forecast for the day, whether there's something in the mailbox and whether the mailbox flag is up. Option to have the mailbox chime.

    Server closet with good ventilation.

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    GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    1. Re:A few things by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1
      Hookups in the bathrooms for Toto washlets.

      Is this some kind of pet hygiene thing?

    2. Re:A few things by metamatic · · Score: 1

      www.washlet.com

      I hear it's an almost religious experience.

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      GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
    3. Re:A few things by pthisis · · Score: 1
      Hookups in the bathrooms for Toto washlets.

      Is this some kind of pet hygiene thing?


      It's a bidet.
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  54. Centralized control of most devices and outlets by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 1

    I would love to have some sort of integrated control center. I want to be able to turn off the bathroom's plug-in in case my girlfriend left her curling iron on. I want to see the state of the oven and how long that turkey has been cooking. As devices get smarter, it would be nice to have some sort of standardized plug-in protocol where each device exposed certain, adjustable properties. -- Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/

  55. Ease of use and flying cars by ursabear · · Score: 1

    In all seriousness, the biggest things in an automated home for me are (mostly existing technologies):

    Rooms that dimly light when I come in the room if it is night outside the home.
    Comfort zones of a home that are not hard to manage (something like each room is thermostatically controlled, and is allowed to have priority/override concerns).
    Extremely flexible and easy to alter/maintain networking throughout the house (means: wired networking, not wifi (necessarily))
    A household door that can be opened with a key fob (or maybe with some secure hardware thing) (with a physical override from within the house);

    All seriousness aside, I do want a new-age garage that makes {safely!} parking my floating and flying car a breeze (this is the future, right?)

  56. Digital Shower by CokeBear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was thinking about how much water is wasted each morning waiting for the shower to get to the right temperature, and it occurred to me that much of that water could be saved if the temperature could be set before turning on the water. The interface could be as simple as 4 buttons: (On/Off, C/F, Warmer, Colder) and a display just large enough for a 2 digit number representing the temperature. After the first time you set it, you know what temperature you like your shower to be at, and on each subsequent shower, you only need to press any button to activate the display, then the up/down arrow to adjust the temperature, and the On button to turn on the water once you have confirm that its at the correct temperature. I know nothing about plumbing, so I'm not sure how it would actually work, but you would at least be able to get rid of those unsightly knobs and have a flat wall there. Am I dreaming, or is this possible?

    --
    Reality has a liberal bias
    1. Re:Digital Shower by RoyBoy · · Score: 1

      Ok, you seriously haven't given this a second thought (or even a proper first one, for that matter).

      The reason it takes a while for shower water to reach your preferred temperature has NOTHING TO DO with the supply side, it is a side effect of the delivery infrastructure. In short, the lengths of water supply pipes leading from your cold water supply and hot water tank are always full or water, but at some non-source temperature (i.e. cold water line too warm, hot water line too cold). Once the water begins to flow, new (proper temperature) source water enters the system and eventually makes it to your shower, where the intermix ratio is set (by you, either manually or through some fancy contraption) to deliver the final correct temperature shower output.

      The only real solutions to this are:

      1. Constant recirculation systems. Basically, keep the water in your pipes constantly moving through a cyclical system that feeds back through controlled hot and/or cold water reservoirs. This would ensure the the water at any delivery port (aka. tap) in the house was close to the actualy controlled reservoir temperature (allowing, of course, for systemic loss in the delivery system). The problem with this system is of course the exceptionally high cost of keeping all of the water constantly heated and/or cooled.

      2. At-sink water heating. This is used very commonly in Europe and some develiping countries where hot water tanks were never in fashion. Basically, you use a high-efficiency water heater (electric or natural gas, usually) plumbed in to your system JUST BEFORE the delivery tap. When you turn on the tap, the system receives input (cold) water from the mains, and it is heated instantaneously just before the water is delivered out to your tap. There are even systems that do this for a whole house, but in your case you only case about the shower ;-).

            Of course, I do like your flat-panel digital temperature control idea, but that's just a gadget to replace the fine analog mixing system all taps already have with a complex and expensive, motorized and electronically controlled version of the EXACT SAME THING! It won't solve your basic problem, which these solution both will. I hope that helps a bit. For more information, call your nearest certified plumber.

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      -- People who think they know it all, really annoy those of us who do!
  57. my wishes by arabagast · · Score: 1

    some of the things I would like to have in my techno-house:

    Dimmable windows (LCD panels with varying opacity). This would be king in the summer, if you could regulate the amount of sunshine entering the room, thus cutting solar heating in summer.

    E-ink wallpaper. This is something I don't think will be aviable for a while, but this is an idea I really like. This need not be high-res picture wallpaper, simply blocks of "screens" that can change color depending on mood/lighting/etc.

    Media that follow me around the house. This is already implemented in some smart-home solutions (Pluto, Where you can use your bluetooth enabled pda/cell as a "locator" that tracks you through the house, making your light/climate/media follow you around the house.)

    "smart" sharing between computers. This is probably where upnp-av is supposed to be, but it's not there yet. I would like to have all media (movies/pictures/music etc) on all the trusted computers on my lan aviable throug one single interface, not having to mess with interoperability between oses and so on. Just push a "Show all movies on network" should show all the movies on the network. You could make some kind of tagging system to mark movies private/public and the like (smart move for pr0n collection :)

    The one and most important thing - compatibility. I love it when things simply works. Some times it great to tinker, some times it's great for things just to work as they are intended.

    --
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    Bomb no.20 : To explode of course.
    1. Re:my wishes by arabagast · · Score: 1

      argh,, fixed link to Pluto: plutohome.com. I really like this project. It's a opensource home automation system with loads of features. Based on Debian I believe.

      --
      Doolittle : ...What is your one purpose in life?
      Bomb no.20 : To explode of course.
  58. I thought it was "Ideal Funeral Home" by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 1

    At first glance, I thought the title was "What Would Be Your Ideal Funeral Home?"

    In an instant, I thought, Well, I guess I would start by making sure there are no medical chop shops hidden in the walls...

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  59. desired features by techmuse · · Score: 1

    comfortable
    lots of light
    energy efficient
    quiet
    easy to run wires between rooms and under floors (speaker wire, ethernet, etc.)
    multiple outputs on every wall for ethernet and power
    ability to change the reflectivity or transmissiveness of windows to block out excess sunlight
    lots of plants, inside and outside. Outside plants should be old growth - don't cut down all the trees on the property to build it.
    sound proof, cool room for servers and other electronics
    lots of storage
    lots of closet and shelf space
    runway landing lights in the garage :-)
    RFID house key
    multi-zone climate control
    rooms with good acoustics for home theatre equipment
    large kitchen with granite counters
    open, spacious floorplan
    unobtrusive displays in every room

  60. Keep the tech unobtrusive. by Shivetya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want my home to feel like a home, not some crazy science experiment or an office building offshoot.

    As such I am already in the process of buying my next home.

    the most advanced features, multiple zones for my heating and cooling. Sure I will have the atypical security system and such and a bunch of florescent (sp?) lighting in place of incandescents. The point being, I go home to escape the technology of my day to day life. It is my refuge from reality.

    As such, my TV is confined to a room I rarely go to. Same for my PC. The biggest reason I use my PC now is to play DVDs while I exercise.

    Honestly, too many people are wasting their lives on tech outside of work. My favorite tech is having a nice easy to maintain house and landscape. It is seeing what will grow outside to provide year round color. I get all the tech I need at work. It can stay there too.

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
    1. Re:Keep the tech unobtrusive. by tirnacopu · · Score: 1

      If you go home to escape your day to day whatever life, please do consider changing that first. Building fences won't make you a happier person.

  61. Smart Windows by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    I want to be able to turn a knob and set how much light gets through the windows. I want this per window, with a master for each wall, a master for each room, and a master for the house.

    I *don't* want my appliances to talk to me. Save that for Disneyland. Or blind people. Or people much geekier than me.

    A greenhouse style back porch with variable tint windows as above, plus the ability to push a button to open or close the windows, preferably directionally (like vertical blinds) to either catch or block breezes. Full climate control for when the weather's lousy. I'd actually like a small one of these off the master BR, and a larger one that goes the full back of the house. Hot tubs in each, at floor level, with retractable lids that look like the floor and are sturdy enough to jump or dance on.

    How about an indoor lap pool?

    Everything else I thought of off the top of my head has been mentioned (audio/video/data everywhere, etc).

    Except...

    If you can get me a positronic core to run the house, complete with holgram that follows me around when I want to talk with it, but that *won't* end up with a misguided savior complex, so much the better.

    1. Re:Smart Windows by thc69 · · Score: 1
      I want to be able to turn a knob and set how much light gets through the windows. I want this per window, with a master for each wall, a master for each room, and a master for the house.
      There's a million posts asking for LCD-dimmable windows. I'm surprised that there's not a single post asking for power windows.

      I want centrally controlled power windows, so I can open all the windows in the house, all the windows on one side, or all the windows in some rooms all at once; and so I can press a button to close them all when it suddenly starts raining, or when I need to leave.

      I can't buy a two-door car without power windows, remote controlled power locks, and nowadays a power hatch or liftgate in the rear (none of which save me time or effort). Why do I have to use a metal key in two locks and I still can't get in my patio door if I park in the back? Why must I push the screen door closed when I leave? Why must I spend ten minutes closing windows before I leave, and then turn around and go back when I realize that I forgot the one in the kitchen? How about when I'm tired, and it's late at night, and my wife wants the door locked, and I just want to go to bed...
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  62. what I would like? a house that rejects salesmen, by ranjix · · Score: 0, Troll

    regardless of how they intrude - phone calls, at the door, or thru ./

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  63. Screen Goo is better than white paint by camt · · Score: 1

    If you think the Stewart screens are a rip off, but you still want something with a higher gain than white paint, check out Screen Goo. Judging from the DIY slant of rest of your post, I think it would be right up your alley.

    1. Re:Screen Goo is better than white paint by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      If you think the Stewart screens are a rip off, but you still want something with a higher gain than white paint, check out Screen Goo. Judging from the DIY slant of rest of your post, I think it would be right up your alley.

      I had actually checked into Screen Goo, but a friend of mine said he had tried it and that it difficult to apply properly. I decided to go with ordinary white paint and use Screen Goo if I needed higher gain, and fortunately the white paint was perfect.

      That's still excellent advice to any DIY'ers out there who need a gain higher than 1, though.

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      ZFS: because love is never having to say fsck
  64. Ideal Feature? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a condo that shares a wall with the Playboy mansion, with glory holes for each floor.

  65. Rural Lifestyle by HeyLaughingBoy · · Score: 1

    Rather than assume it's a "futuristic" home, I'd approach it from "how technology can enhance your lifestyle."

    I live on a small hobby farm and I like the "low tech" feeling of living here, even though the entire house is wired for Cat5e. So...

    - Excellent cordless phone/intercom system. Cell reception sucks out here and in summer we'll be outside a lot. Nice to be able to control external lights from the phone.

    - Good audio that's also unobtrusive. I want quality speakers that I can put in the wall in the game room, or at least blend into the wall color. A music server is a must (gotta finish building mine!).

    - Nice sized plasma monitors: 42" is about the largest that will fit my living room without looking clunky. I like the idea of putting it in a frame.

    - Windows that can dim electronically (LCD?): my living room has huge east-facing windows and the sun streams in during the morning (good). But it shines directly on the best spot for a TV (bad) and since we love the view, we have no intention of covering the windows with drapery.

    - Remote lighting control. I use X-10 and all its annoyances. I want something better.

    - Security system: nah, got two large dogs :-)

    - Driveway lighting that detects *our* vehicles coming and turns on at night.

    Good topic! It reminds me I have a lot of stuff to get done :-)

  66. Central locking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If my car has it why not my house - after all - the house cost 10 times more than my car!

  67. Just one thing... by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

    an Orgasmatron!!!!

  68. Hemingway doors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doors. I want doors that do not take up square footage.

    Something so blindingly obvious that architects and builders are completely oblivious to it...
    Doors that slide into the walls. No, they don't have to make the whooshy sound like Star Trek, nor do they have to be automatic.

    They just need to NOT take up MY space.

    Additional benefits:
    -Security. You think a measly little lock can keep a door shut? Try using 6 to 8 inches of door still inside the wall on both sides of the transom as security. Much better.
    -Flexibility. Hey, we've got room inside the wall for more than one door! Why not have 2? A 'secure' door, and a 'pretty' door?
    -Functionality. I don't want to have to design the interior of my home (furnishings, etc.) around the space that is occasionally occupied by open doors. The doors don't pay rent. I do.

    Hemingway design. Less is sometimes a lot more.
    (Now that I have your attention, feel free to joke about shotguns.)

    1. Re:Hemingway doors by theguru · · Score: 1

      Just spec pocket doors when you have your house built. Expect to pay more for the additional carpentry it takes to frame, and expect a few of them to stick after a few years due to foundation settling.

    2. Re:Hemingway doors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thing to consider, the walls around the door will be weak since they have a large gap where the door slides into. Unless you like thick walls.

  69. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jefferies Tubes!

    (I've always wanted to build a designer home out of things like shipping containers, all buried in a hill and with Jefferies tubes throughout.)

  70. Umm Fem-bot by DebianDog · · Score: 1

    One with a fully functional fem-bot!

  71. I'm building it right now by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 1

    I'm actually building a house at this very moment. It has almost no tech stuff in it. I'm relying totally on wireless for all the internet stuff and I'm not wiring it for speakers... airtunes can handle that. It will have a generator power back up and I will probably put in wind power at some point as we're right on the top of a hill. The problem with most tech infrastructure is that it outdates reeeeeally fast.

    --

    I'm not wrong. You haven't thought about it hard enough.

  72. Interoperability by SWroclawski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What I'd like to see in a home is interoperability between "smart appliances".

    If my fridge has the ability to tell me its internal temperature, I'd like to have a way to query it. And ideally, I'd like something similar to query my home's thermostat, water heater, etc.

    The problem with these "smart homes" is that they often seem to rely on a single vendor having a "home automation solution" rather than a system I can plug into.

    What I want is something akin to Wi-Fi or bluetooth + XML-RPC

    1. Re:Interoperability by Fastolfe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I completely agree. This is perhaps the #1 reason I have stayed away from things like nice home security systems and decent home automation: I'm locked into that one solution. I can't easily hack it and I can't integrate it into "something else" that comes along later. I'm not going to pay hundreds of dollars on something that could conceivably be obsolete soon afterwards, with no ability to swap out components or add components without the blessing of the manufacturer.

      I recently got a low-end wireless weather station, but it's the same thing: I can't do anything useful with it because it's all proprietary. Some day someone will hack up GNURadio to sniff on the wireless exchange, and then I'll be able to do some useful stuff with it, but until then, it's a "siloed" technology. I can't make it work with anything else. I shouldn't have to buy 5 different temperature-sensing solutions if I want 5 different temperature-driven things.

    2. Re:Interoperability by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 3, Funny
      If my fridge has the ability to tell me its internal temperature, I'd like to have a way to query it.
      Me, I walk the 20 or so feet to the kitchen, open the fridge, and place my hand on one of the beers contained therein. If it's at the correct temperature, I take it out and drink it. If it isn't, I wait for them to cool down. I'll have one while I'm waiting, of course.
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  73. Advice from an experienced home owner by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) you always grow out of your home until you have kids and they leave for college.

    2) home values go up, mostly.

    so, buy the biggest house you can afford, a little ways from the edge of surberbia. You will grow into it, and you will make more money over the long run.

    --
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    1. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by camt · · Score: 1

      This is sound advice. You should always buy the largest/most expensive home you can afford at any given point in time while you are in expansion phase (i.e. still have/having kids). Not only for the reasons of the parent post, but because even with the same home value inflation percentage, the absolute dollar gap between your house and a bigger house (i.e. your next house) will continue to increase. You need to minimize that effect. Once you are in a downsizing trend (i.e. empty nest) you can just get whatever size you need and be done with it.

    2. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Naw. I will never 'outgrow' this place. I could use a few big outbuildings, but the land is out back there for me to build them on. So I will, when the money is available. I will certainly NEVER outgrow this basic house.

      A sealed and environmentally controlled second building for my tech and toys, with large storage area for things like steel cabinets full of TTL gates and benches for all my projects... that would be okay.

    3. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by khallow · · Score: 1

      You're making the big assumption that point #2 will continue indefinitely. We've already seen a situation (eg, the Japanese in the early 90's) where that didn't stay true. Frankly, I don't see developed world wages holding up over the long term under international competition. That and the multiple of your salary that banks can loan you legally, is what ultimately drives house prices.

    4. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Nutria · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once you are in a downsizing trend (i.e. empty nest) you can just get whatever size you need and be done with it.

      The overwhelming likelihood, though, is that your wife will refuse to move.

      --
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    5. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      The banks can also create a 50 year mortgage.

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    6. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by khallow · · Score: 1
      That's part of the multiplier that the banks could loan you. There's no particular reason the banks couldn't offer infinite duration loans (ie, loans where you're only required to pay the interest). That would slightly boost loan size over even the 50 year loans. At 8%, compounded monthly, that would be 150 times the monthly payment.

      Actually, I neglected interest rates here. If somehow the US slid into a state where the risk-free investment had a very low return on investment, then it would be possible to have low interest rates without inflation. I think the current tradeoffs between inflation and interest rates will keep them from being long term factors, especially when you consider that most loans these days are adjustable rate and would increase with future interest hikes.

    7. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 1

      My parents were in that situation. Most of the house was packed to move, but my mom just wouldnt get the process started. The diswasher was a big help, when it burst into flames and burned the house down it provided a lot of incentives for them to get a new place.

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    8. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The economics of buying a large house in an outer suburb relies on cheap petrol and where I live house prices would have to remain the same price (and thus falling in real terms) for 20+ years for wages to increase with inflation to meet them again at long term trends.

      You are suggesting betting on house prices going up and petrol going down. I don't think that's the smart way to bet...

    9. Re:Advice from an experienced home owner by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 1
      Most of the house was packed to move, but my mom just wouldnt get the process started. The diswasher was a big help, when it burst into flames and burned the house down it provided a lot of incentives for them to get a new place.

      The $3000 your old man paid me to torch the place (and make it look like an accident) also provided an incentive for me to get my new motorcycle and some really bitchin' tattoos. Thanks bro!

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      "The advanced societies of the future will be driven by competing systems of psychopathology." -JG Ballard
  74. small, simple, lo-tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am impressed with the replies to this thread. I thought it would be all tech ideas and home entertainment filled homes, but there are lots of small, simple, and lo-tech type homes on peoples' wish lists.

    In the past, I lived aboard my "own" sailboat like someone mentioned wanting to do. Living on the water is a good way to live, I think everyone needs to experience this at least once in their lifetime. Living close to the water keeps one more in contact with nature. The purchase of a sailboat is way cheaper than buying a home or even a new car for that matter.

    I have no desire to "own" a home. I do not rent. Perhaps this not for everyone but when I need to sleep, I sleep in one of these: http://www.hennessyhammock.com/

  75. Futuristic house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My futuristic house would be a wikiup, teepee or hobbit hole, or a mix of the three. So nice would it be to not have to worry about pagers and cell phone.

  76. Beyond sustainability by Flying+pig · · Score: 1
    What I would _really_ like is a converted Dutch barge with a riverside mooring that included a field big enough to grow my own rapeseed for bioDiesel. Practically complete independence, low maintenance, enough power for reasonable electronics from the generator, solar cells and wind generator, and when the harvest is in and you get tired of the neighbors, you can simply go somewhere else and take your small but comfortable apartment with you.

    Now, if only Kashmir could solve its political problems...

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    Pining for the fjords
    1. Re:Beyond sustainability by dajak · · Score: 1

      The problem for energy efficiency is that the water is a significant heat drain in the winter (at least here in the Netherlands). And in the summer there are mosquitoes.

  77. Teletubbies house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a house like Bilbo Baggins or the Teletubbies.
    (Would feel just like Moms basement too)

  78. this is possible now by majortom1981 · · Score: 1

    Much of this is possible now if you get a good wireless router. The ones that or like 108mbps or above or the pre n stuff. I saw this wireless speaker in a store that is much like the sharper image that is wireless and sounds better then a lot of the more expensive ones and it only $150 dollars. You can get wireless video cameras for under $100 dollars and now you can get fast wireless cards for your desktop witch are pretty fast too. I have a laptop and thats all I need besides my desktop. i can go anywhere in the house with full speed on my 15/2 cable conenction. all I want is solar panels or a generator , a wood stove, and wireless speakers. the one I mentioned has a handle on it and can be bought with you.

  79. Monsanto House of the Future by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    The Monsanto House of the Future from once upon a time at Disneyland is the place I've always wanted to live -- even if not at Disneyland itself. To this day I still think about trying to get someone to recreate the showers with all the water jets in the walls.

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  80. Fortress of [Good|Evil] by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

    There are a lot of interesting tips for up-and-comers. The site could be anywhere from a missile silo to a private island.

  81. around the corner? by hardticket · · Score: 0

    A hybrid system consisting of solar and power lines, the roof and exterior walls as solar panels (that actually look like siding and shingles) which can provide energy to batteries in the attic in turn powers built-in home stuff like air/heat exchangers, hot water boilers etc... and maybe heat coils under the driveway and steps to keep the ice down in the winter. Any extra sun power is fed back into the grid and discounted on your power bill. Genetically modded grass/turf that is resilient to common pests and grows to a certain height house windows which can display information about the rooms, such as current temp, optimal lighting and has touch "window" controls for room settings...and an off switch. ability to hang and adjust artwork without having to puncture the wall or use adhesive a good alternative to concrete foundations that resist shifting and cracking over time

  82. SOLAR home by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    My wife and I are looking to move back east (job offer) but we are not looking forward to the typical suburban nightmare split level piece of crap made of chipboard. So, we're thinking of buying a lot filled with trees, and building a home that uses both passive and active solar energy to "make it go".

    The location is very much up for grabs, but that's another issue. In terms of our "dream home", which is what we hope to build, It will have a good southern exposure. The southern side will have a glazed area for heating the home in the winter and helping with an indoor garden. The rest of the house will be hyperinsulated - R50 or better. A full basement with a solar powered fan to pull cool air out of it and dump it on top of the ground floor to cool during the summer.

    The roof will be covered with PV hooked up to the grid, so we can sell juice to the utility during the day, and then make some "withdrawals" in the evening. Central heat would be largely unnecessary, but on VERY cold days, we'd have one of those super effficient wood stoves. The lot would be wooded, and we would replace any trees we cut for heat. The well water would have its own solar powered pump that would fill a tank when necessary. It doesn't have to pull huge amounts at once - jsut a little bit, constantly, to fill the tank.

    And that's what we want to build.

    RS

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    1. Re:SOLAR home by rbrewer123 · · Score: 1
      Nice. You've probably seen these already, but there are homes similar to what you are describing available for touring.

      This is one I wouldn't mind visiting and has some similarities to what you describe: http://www.stockton.edu/~hossayp/greenhome/

      The tours are listed here... I haven't bothered to search for the 2006 listing yet: http://www.ases.org/tour/2005_tour/listings.htm

      And of course, there's always: http://www.ourcoolhouse.com/

    2. Re:SOLAR home by paulbd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      hmm. the lot is filled with trees, yet you expect to get enough solar exposure to generate a substantive fraction of your consumption? sounds like the lot will be less filled with trees by the time you are done.

      instead of contributing to the steady spread of the eastern megalopolis, why not pick up the split level heap of crapboard, demolish it and build something in a place where people have already trashed the landscape? you'll have neighbours, amenities, and probably lots and lots of solar exposure available without cutting down any more trees.

      just to be clear, what you describe was once my dream too.

    3. Re:SOLAR home by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
      Hi.

      Oddly enough, we've looked into that, and housing in a town with decent schools (other MAJOR requirement) is pretty tight, and even buying a little crapboard house is heinously expensive. It's still cheaper to build on a new lot than it is to buy a cheap house.

      But that is VERY much in our minds. We've been thinking of looking into "distressed" properties, where we could buy something that's been torched or is otherwise one of those "tear it downers" (as opposed to fixer-uppers). I agree, adding to the mess isn't good, but we have (x) dollars to work with...

      best,

      RS

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  83. My biggie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of good ideas here that I would like to integrate, but what I REALLY want is verbal integration with the house network.

    "Computer, lights 50%"
    "Computer, play album, Pink Floyd - Wish You were here"
    "Computer, make phone call, number: 808 555 1234"
    "Computer, start expersso machine"
    "Computer, find web site, wikipedia dot org, search term : geek"

    R.

  84. Insteon instead of X10 by Ricochet · · Score: 1

    1) I don't work for Insteon but I appreciate their support. 2) I'm tired of X10 and their lack of support 3) so far Insteon works better than X10 I've started using Insteon and Insteon products. I still need to do a lot of work on the code to make it work under Misterhouse but I'm much more comfortable with the quality of the products than I am with X10's products.

  85. Re:Duh - Not This Xanadu by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    I was afraid you might have meant THIS Xanadu.

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  86. A cave by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Who needs technology anyway.

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  87. as you noted... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    ..."efficiency" isn't about cheap. I just find it funny that people spend so much energy thinking about where else they can shove some more A/V equipment, rather than think about broader aesthetics.

    So, save the unfounded socioeconomic bluster.

    1. Re:as you noted... by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      .."efficiency" isn't about cheap. I just find it funny that people spend so much energy thinking about where else they can shove some more A/V equipment, rather than think about broader aesthetics.

      So, save the unfounded socioeconomic bluster.


      Bluster? All I did was guess that you spend your money roughly how I do: on fun stuff. Unless I am seriously mistaken, you are the one criticizing other peoples' spending habits, not me.

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  88. Zero energy import by __aahgmr7717 · · Score: 1

    The home I would like to see would have minimal dependency. That's right. A home that runs by itself without the need for a large infrastructure to maintain it. This would mean that it gathers its own energy from the sun and wind and geothermal. Electronic dependency would be minimized. I recently installed motion detector switches in the upstairs hall way which is convenient but really are superfluous. Wireless internet connection for communication would minimize the need for cables and connection services. BUT increases one's dependency upon chip manufacturers and and sofware designers. In my opinion less is more. We need to do more walking.

  89. A tent as long as ... by fuzzylollipop · · Score: 1

    there were no republicans or democrates or religous fanatics trying to force their views on me!

  90. My vote... by $ASANY · · Score: 1

    1. A ubiquitous sensor network that feeds a pattern analysis engine. It would be able to identify who is doing what and under what context. It would differentiate between smoke from the fireplace as you were trying to start a fire and smoke from an unoccupied room. It would see that you forgot to turn on your alarm clock on a Wednesday night, and that the following day is not scheduled as a day off, and arm the alarm clock for you. There wouldn't be a distinct security system, but a overall sensor system that performs security functions as well as domestic management functions.

    2. Energy usage optimizing systems. It would know that certain rooms are less frequently occupied and tune HVAC to keep these areas comfortable during periods of expected activity. It would automatically power low-level nighttime lighting when kids wake up in the middle of the night so they can see where they're walking without throwing on full-power illumination. HVAC, lighting and other infrastructure would give you only what you need, only when you need it, and only where you need it.

    3. Integrated information management. It would keep a family schedule and keep forgetful husbands from screwing up planning. It would let me know when I'm about to blow a milestone for getting airfare booked. It would track all the precursor requirements for an event and help me stay on track. It would adjust automatically to an email from my mother saying she got sick and we should postpone a visit before I have the chance to check my email myself. It should handle dinnertime phone calls for me and not let the phone ring. If it looks like I'm going to forget to take out the garbage, I'd appreciate a gentle reminder.

    4. Alert differentiation. If the dog gets in the garbage and no one happens to notice, fido should get a little jolt from his collar. If the baby exits the crib on her own power, I should get woken up. If there's some knucklehead teenager putting a ladder against my daughter's windowsill, I should get a different warning than if there's a knucklehead trying to get himself shot by breaking in through the back door. Not everything warrants a screaming siren, and when that screaming siren goes off I need to tell me what the problem is.

    5. Integrated Context-sensitive Intelligent Agents. I don't have the time to watch everything. Keep an eye on things and give me a summary, or let me know sooner if it's impact is more than informational.

  91. Someone to talk to by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    I think I'd most like a house with an A.I. system that I can just speak to in any room to have any feature of the house activated. That would be sweet!

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  92. Good call. by raygundan · · Score: 1

    I don't know why so few homes do this. Simple changes that quickly pay off in energy savings are often overlooked. Heck, even turning our house 90 degrees would have made it a more efficient layout. Proper window sizing and placement, awnings designed for the proper winter/summer shading angle like you suggest, insulation and attic vents are all things that any home should have-- leaving them out of the design is just lazy.

    Other than that, I just want a simple, clean design with a layout that has some flexibility left for future demands. (wiring conduits, etc...)

    1. Re:Good call. by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      Conduit is the best possible answer.

      Whatever you choose to run through the conduit will be dated in a few years. But leaving yourself with as much easily accessible conduit as possible will always be useful. Use the largest diameter conduit your building codes will allow, and run it *everywhere*, and fill it with a bundle of pull-wires. Put in multiple panel boxes per wall, at floor, ceiling, and table rail height. Record their locations well, and then wall over them.

      Then in the future when the residents decide to turn a living room into an office/nursery/VR-gymnasium, they can run whatever power or information standards they want through the conduit without destroying whole walls.

      Anything beyond that is up to the fetish of the homeowner. My own personal dream home would be entirely underground, with the surface consisting only of light-pipe openings and ventilation embedded in garden space. (Where "garden" involves lots of native plants appropriate for the local climate and very little maintenance.) In exchange for some slight plumbing difficulties you get a gentle temperature year-round and dramatically increase the amount of outdoor-space available.

    2. Re:Good call. by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      your dream home sounds like Bilbo's place. How about building such a thing with large diameter concrete drainage pipes?

      you can pick them up relatively cheaply, have a dozer come in, trench out your home plan, lay the pipe, seal up the joints, cut the holes for solartubes, backfill.

      hmmm...

    3. Re:Good call. by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea.

      It constrains the possible geometries a bit, but has the great advantage of being super cheap and waterproof. I always imagined concentric poured concrete shells and sump-pumps, but if you can get an outer shell that's really impermeable, you're set.

      I suppose cylindrical underground homes are less likely to appreciate in value than rectangular underground homes, but as we've already abandoned the home-as-investment model by moving underground in the first place, so who cares?

      It seems to me neighborhoods would be a lot more interesting if people built the homes they most wanted to live in rather than the ones they think will net them the biggest profit on resale. We can't really be a society of people who think square boxes made of off-white painted dry wall are the best imaginable environment. Not sure how you convince an individual to make that choice, though. (For me, the choice is obvious. Which is why I'll almost certainly not become rich, although I have every intention of remaining happy...)

    4. Re:Good call. by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      I know the topic is quite old now... but have you ever seen the unset-concrete dome building methods?

      That's where a reinforced pad is laid on a foundation suitable to the climate, then a large diamater rubber bladder is laid on top, and another layer of reiforced concrete is added. As the concrete on top cures, the bladder is inflated. Believe it or not, you wind up with a 30+ foot diameter dome, a good 12 to 20 feet tall in the middle, made of several inch thick reinforced concrete you can then cover with sod. Since you're using seriously high pressure concrete, you don't get leaking.

      I'm trying to convince my wife to go this route instead of the other.

      Oh and the hobbit house could be roughed-in for just a few thousand bucks if you already owned the earth-moving equipment.

    5. Re:Good call. by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      Now that's really interesting.

      I've seen somewhat smaller-scale structures made using a dense foam sprayed onto inflatable bladders. They're kind of neat looking, but aren't obviously more durable or cheaper than a traditional wood frame building.

      Switching to concrete and covering the thing with sod sounds like a great idea, assuming one is able to put together something that will survive weathering, seismic activity, and so on.

  93. How that could work by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The real problem with what you want is that the water sits in the pipes, so you have to wait for older water to be flushed out by the warm water behind it.

    So in order to have hot water truly on demand, the old water has to go somewhere - why not back to the water heater? You could design all your heated plumbing to be able to be looped back to the hot water heater and a pump to circulate it, so you could have a constant warm flow to tap into.

    That would require more insulation and even then be less efficient, so you'd probably still want to combine that with a timer for shower uses. A side effect is that you could also have the loopback pipes run under your bathroom floor and heat the floor for you while it was warming up the system, or possibly chill it in the summer by having it circulate cold water instead.

    Basically the system just involves a lot of extra pipes, and possibly a somewhat larger water heater to handle the extra load of heating the returned water.

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    1. Re:How that could work by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you need to go to all that trouble (although insulating the hot water pipes is something I've wanted to do in every house I've lived in). I think all you'd really need is a point source water heater and a low-flow shower head. And a controller for the termerature setting/monitoring, of course, but you could probably retrofit the whole deal in an existing bathroom for a couple thousand.

      Disclaimer: I am not a plumbing contractor.

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    2. Re:How that could work by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      I've always wanted to see how fesible it would be to plumb an entire house with cold water only, and do point-source heaters at various places instead of a central system. That way there's no need for insulated pipes, fewer holes in the framing, et cetera. I doubt that you'd save much money in the simplicty, but you would save some (more than offset by the cost of all of the water heaters, of course).

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    3. Re:How that could work by djbentle · · Score: 1

      This isn't that hard to do. They sell systems like this at Home Depot. You install a little pump and a return pipe back to the water heater. My father installed one at his house. There is a little wireless doorbell-like button in the master bathroom and by the kitchen sink. Hit the button and it recirculates the water for 30 seconds or so, and then you have hot water with no waste other than the moderate cooling of having the cold water pumped back into the hot water tank. If the crawlspace or attic is not accesible for running the extra pipe though, obviously you're hooped.

    4. Re:How that could work by plover · · Score: 1
      To be honest, I have only had to insulate cold water pipes. When someone is showering, they get cold enough to form condensation and cause drips. The hot water pipes, of course, don't have that problem.

      There's a related feature you'll find on upper end plumbing, too, where they feed toilet a mix of cold and hot water. It keeps the tank from forming condensation after flushing.

      Inductive water heaters can save a lot of money when the fuel to heat a traditional tank is very expensive. They don't offer enough flow for high volume applications, but they only consume energy when you are using the water.

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    5. Re:How that could work by pthisis · · Score: 1

      I've always wanted to see how fesible it would be to plumb an entire house with cold water only, and do point-source heaters at various places instead of a central system. That way there's no need for insulated pipes

      This is what they do in Ecuador in most places. Only they use electric shower heaters that mount on the showerhead, and if you touch it and anything else outside the tub, you get shocked. Not a life threatening shock, but a most unpleasant one when you're groggy in the morning needing a hot shower to wake up.

      Seriously. You get used to jumping in/out of the shower.

      They also do a half-assed job of heating the water.

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    6. Re:How that could work by rjstanford · · Score: 1

      Only they use electric shower heaters that mount on the showerhead, and if you touch it and anything else outside the tub, you get shocked. Not a life threatening shock, but a most unpleasant one when you're groggy in the morning needing a hot shower to wake up.

      They have these in the UK as well - probably more places, but those are the ones I've used - and they heat the water up to "too hot" without any issues. Or shocks, for that matter. But I was thinking of the hidden in-wall kind rather than the surface-mount electric pumps/heaters.

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  94. Affordable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the purpose of asking questions like these when a simple house (you know, walls made of GP pressed paper product, wall-to-wall shag carpet and all) takes 50% or more of one's income in most places to pay for.

  95. Infrastructure and Intelligence by jrc1000 · · Score: 1

    First I'd like the basic infrastructure set up so that I can add/upgrade/remove technology as I see fit to any room. I think two network connections, and audio/video in every room should do it. Though I would like audio speakers in every room also. This would all need to be tied into a central wiring closet.

    Second is that I would love to have the house inteligent enough to know who and where I am. A small wireless handset that I could carry around would do the trick. I would want that handheld to run everything such as the stero in one room, and the TV/Tivo in the next, to the satalite radio set up. Also all of the extra things like lights.

    This would allow the unit to turn on the lights as I enter the living room, turn on the TV, and change it to the same channel I was just watching in my bedroom.

    From there, the handheld should have a host of features. Start the oven, and let me know when it's ready. Ring me when someone's at the front door, and let me see who it is by the wireless camera. Double as a phone whould be nice. Move music from room to room as I walk around would be nice. At as an intercom if I need to speak to someone when I'm upstairs and their in the basement. And several other things i can't think of right off the top of my head.

  96. Pretty simple i think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like simple tech that integrates seamlessly into my home's environment. Wires running around all over the place, complex systems which require engineers to support, stuff like that doesn't get me going.

    I think I'm a bit more tech savvy than most of the people I associate with, and even I look for simplicity of use and seamlessness of integration as a first priority. There was a time when I craved power and sacrificed reliability - no longer. I don't bother overclocking my computers these days, or throwing superchargers in my cars, or modifiying anything for a small performance boost over long term reliability.

    I also think it's important to understand that personal taste plays a significant role. I think home integrators might want to start looking at incorporating design elements into their installs and moving a step beyond just installing the tech - to designing the furnishings and selecting the decor style as well.

    Furthermore, simple package deals involving simple easily comprehendable compnents offered by a integrator will go a long way to resolve some of the confusion consumers have when looking at home integration - and likely help supress the ambivalence associated with 'can my wife make it work?'

  97. Florida by saboola · · Score: 1

    Any home not in Florida. My state sucks.

  98. Any home for under $2,000,000 by heroine · · Score: 1

    Any home which cost less than $2,000,000 would be my ideal futuristic home.

  99. Futuristic Home by Apparition29 · · Score: 1

    Two Words:
    Bender's Closet

  100. I only want one thing... by coolgeek · · Score: 1

    A hot tub with a weatherproof 30" Cinema HD Display and a waterproof keyboard and mouse sitting on top of a little mini-desk, that works, so I can sit in my hot tub and hack out some code.

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  101. You should... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude.

    Adopt me.

  102. nerd at large by desade666bleh.com · · Score: 1

    i am mostly done, having remodeled my house, and made it as "ultimate nerdly" as i could afford...so here is what i did 1. an alarm system, with X10 and remote administration and monitored over the POTS phone...(make sure you put the phone line in a hardened steel pipe, to your demarc) 2. the POTS, cable, cameras, and ethernet are all terminated in a structured wire panel, where the 66 blocks, and cable splitters reside...the ethernet passes through a box, to my office, and thusly equipment racks and a 48-port panel for the ethernet...additionally, the camera wires goto a PVR 3. most if not all of the intergration of systems happens in my office, and on a rack, so routers and access points, switches/hubs, patch panel, asterisk server, etc. is all in the same place.... 4. every room has multiple ethernet, and CAT5E even for the phone jacks, as well as cable TV (DO NOT do a "house wrap" like the cable company lazily loves to do...garbage!) so the rooms have access to cable TV, the POTS line AND/OR a SIP phone, internet ETC 5. every room has alarm sensors, and more important rooms have infrared sensors...the gun safe has a sensor, as well as a 600lb magnet, to keep it closed without a code 6. the computer room aka office has 240volt twist lock circuits, and batterys galore 7. the media computers are touchscreen driven...sure you could stream it over the ethernet, but hard drives are cheap, and multiple backups are a good thing (dont wanna lose, that which was "stolen" from the RIAA) the master bedroom, as well back patio, family room, living room, and offices (his and hers) have audio wired for surround sound via bose speakers, and the main media stereo can pump music in several rooms... 8. the main TV as well as the master bedroom have coaxial to the security cameras, to watch the outside world...everywhere else can use the network 9. ceiling fans have remote controls, thermostats and X10...and the lightswitches are X10 that is about it? maybe im forgetting something...but, you get the idea? well, that is all that comes to mind?

  103. Circular design? by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    What kind of engineer makes a house of nothing but curved rooms?
    What are you supposed to put your furniture up against?

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    1. Re:Circular design? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I would like to live in a house where there was not a single right angle in the entire structure.

    2. Re:Circular design? by khallow · · Score: 1

      I suppose you use curved furniture or just waste the space. Some architectural designs about deliberately wasting space. I personally abhor that sort of thinking, but there it is.

  104. One where... by DieByWire · · Score: 1

    the cleaning and cooking is done by my Stepford wife.

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  105. My ideal home by LadyVirharper · · Score: 1
    • Lots of power outlets. Consider them when you design or something so they don't look horrible, ie, get nice/unique wall plates, but put 'em everywhere. I wouldn't be against every 3 feet.
    • Network infrastructure. cat5, something else, whatever. Make them accesible too so if the next great thing comes out you don't have to fool around inside the walls...just open a panels in each room to get at most of them. Put jacks everywhere, and make them relatively easy to open too in case connectors change. This way if someone wants electronic home stuff, the infrastructure is there, they just need to figure out what they want attach.
    • If it's more than one story, laundry and garbage chutes (sp?) between all floors, and also a dumbwaiter that's pretty big and can carry a good load. (think small-dresser-sized furniture) Put a locks on all of them in case a family every buys the place and these are a hazard to the small toddling kids. (I'm a small woman, so it's hard for me to carry things up and down stairs. I can get myself up and down fine, but lots of common household objects are just slightly too heavy for me to get up or down stairs, particularly if the stairs don't have any landings where I can rest. No, I don't have anyone to help me. Having things to take that burdan off are nice, particularly if they are low-maintainance--ie, things that will last, which is why I said "dumbwaiter" rather than "elevator").
    • Built in bookshelves. :p My books are never gonna go digital!
    • A dedicated shower (I don't take baths, I jump in the shower instead)
    • Those network jacks I mentioned? Put a few outside near the outside electrical sockets so I can hook up external cameras or extrenal somethings if I want to.
    • Storage space. Lots of storage space.
    • Room in the garage for things other than cars, such as a workshop.
    • Large door to the basement, if there is one, and stairs that make it easy to carry large things down. Also, dumbwaiter going down here as well.
  106. Duh. by GungaDan · · Score: 1

    You store the fembots in the Hot Chicks Room.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Upright_Citizens_Brig ade

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  107. Heinlein's by bcrowell · · Score: 1

    This 1952 Popular Mechanics article shows science fiction author Robert Heinlein's house of the future. He designed it himself, and it had such futuristic accoutrements as a hifi that could be piped to any room in the house. There was also a bomb shelter.

  108. Maybe something like... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

    this -- with an OC-3 line...

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  109. A few nice features... by MrLizard · · Score: 1

    Automatic lights on/off. If I'm in a room, I want to see what I'm doing, otherwise, save some power, dammit.

    All my books digitized, and detachable reading screens everywhere, so I can read any book I own in any room of the house.

    Automated laundry. I drop clothes down a chute. A scanner (or possibly RFID reader) determines color and compositon, and as soon as there's enough of one type to was and dry them, does so.

    Voice-controlled grocery list. I look in the fridge. I notice we're out of carrots. I say "We need carrots!", and it's added to a list. I push a button to get a hardcopy. (I don't want it to order groceries for me, because then I'd never discover this week's new flavor of Doritos...)

  110. The ideal future home will obviously be EVIL!!! by GoatMonkey2112 · · Score: 1

    It will be constructed either under the ocean or inside a live volcano. And of course there will be a pit containing sharks with FREAKIN LASERS!!

  111. Discretion and security by OnceWas · · Score: 1

    I would like all kinds of security, but discreet. Motion sensors all over the place, window and door sensors. My favorite extra would be some kind of status on open or closed doors and locks. We have five exterior doors in our house, and I would love to know at a glance if the bolts have been locked on all of them.

    The funny thing is I'm not paranoid, and until I had kids, I couldn't have cared less. Stuff is stuff.

    Remote monitoring and control of the house systems - temperature, blinds, lights - would be super cool.

    And of course, network throughout the house, and even though I wired ours, we're using wireless almost exclusively. I'll think of something to do with all that Cat 5 cabling...

    And all this should be as unobtrusive as possible - if not invisible.

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  112. Safety and sustainability first by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

    I'd want a home that can live off the grid first and foremost. It should have a clean water supply nearby that doesn't depend on a utility provider. It should have a septic system that can use a "mound" to filter the untreated sewage water back into the ground. It would have appliances that are very energy efficient, and can run off of wind and solar power generators. The insulation would be natural fibres, with fireproofing protecting them. There would be hardwood floors to reduce dust collection in carpets, and reduce static discharges too. I need an obsrvatory in an unobstructed backyard, or on the "3rd" floor attic, with a power outlet for my red light and telescope motor and laptop. The house would be wired so I don't need to use wireless for anything but my laptop or wifi camera. There's a phone on every floor wired to the wall so they can't go missing or drain of power. The heat from drain water is reclaimed, and the heating and cooling system is a heat pump, shuttered windows, and large deciduous trees in the south yard behind a firebreak. There are CO detectors, especially beside the grain stove and attached garage. The living room has retractable exercise mats, and a large TV which can display my computer's screen by wireless remote and keyboard/mouse. The radio equipment is also extensive, and is broadcast capable on most bands for an emergency. The kitchen still has a dinner table, and the stove and oven both work on electricity and natural gas depending on which commodity is available for less money. There is a Star Trek-esq intercom system in the kitchen and on each floor, but not in the bathrooms or bedrooms, so that you can announce you want the intercom to connect to X room, and not have to press a start button. To reply, the other person says a keyword and then their reply. There are no computer terminals in the bedrooms, since a laptop can be used on a desk that is in each room for special occasions. This keeps kids who are too young, from using the Internet without parental supervision. Likewise with TV, there is a portable wireless TV that can be moved around, but the only one is in the living room, or on the laptop which can be used for TV too. There's a weapons cabinet locked up by biometrics for emergencies, and there are no weapons that can be fired by a child or stranger. The biometric sensor also guages the person's mood before unlocking, so that suicidal moods delay opening until a third party responds. [The whole weapons locker thing is a new idea that needs work to prevent suicides, but also provides protection in emergencies.] There are two bathrooms, one lit by a light pipe in the daytime. And there is a network jack in the bathroom [for future expansion], but no place to set the laptop, so it doesn't join the user in the tub or on the toilet.

  113. What's my ideal futuristic home? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A starship. Where else would a nerd/technophile/sf fan want to live?

  114. Trek answer by uberjoe · · Score: 1

    Easy, a holodeck. Infinitely customizable, any furniture style I want, and I can conjure up any er, 'entertainment' I might desire.

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  115. Accessibilty and Flexibility of utilities by smose · · Score: 1

    In general, my experience is that once the walls go up, you're stuck with whatever you got. That sucks.

    • Utility access on every floor. I just *love* when I pop a breaker upstairs and have to go down two flights to the basement to reset it.
    • Flexible/expandable wiring. Run large-capacity conduit to multiple utility outlets in every room. If you later decide to add e.g. central audio, you can run the low-voltage or optical (or whatever) cables from the central utility area into each room and connect. Running this through walls (particularly exterior, insulated walls) really sucks after the drywall goes up.
    • Better switching and programmability. I hate having to work around having only one switched outlet in a room, and having to use wall warts for timed lighting.

    As it turns out, #2 is a pain in the butt to build, but hey, while we're dreaming, right?

  116. My dream house by Aging_Newbie · · Score: 1

    I am actually close to starting on this house after several years of getting land, preparations, designing, and planning. The objective is to provide a comfortable house for the next 40-50 years at the lowest reasonable cost. This design differs considerably from most home design in which building code minimums or cost justifications based on current energy costs are used. Here are some of the assumptions that led to this design:

    1. Due to far northern US location and global warming, one to two week power outages due to winter ice/snow and summer storms require preparation.
    2. Energy costs will continue to rise to truly unreasonable levels during the design life of the house.
    3. Media and entertainment costs will likely increase considerably as that portion of the economy grows and DRM takes over.
    4. Location is too far away from civilization to assume that cable/DSL will be available - and that satellite internet will remain costly.
    5. House exterior maintenance is a costly nuisance so long life products (metal roof, vinyl siding, clad windows) are justified.

    1100 Square Feet with extensive glass on the southern exposure for heat/light
    EPA rated wood stove to release the stored solar energy stored in dead wood on my 5 acres. Propane backup for when I am unable to tend the stove. Super Insulation (6" foam) so I don't need to spend my whole life splitting wood.

    2 bedrooms, 1 computer room, LR, Kitchen, Utility Room, basement

    12 volt DC lighting (mostly daylight color temperature fluorescent to maintain winter mental health) for economy while on grid and quiet battery (250 AH) operation when the power is down. Fans to run on inverters or 12VDC. Computers to run on inverter from 12 volts for uninterruptible power. Small engine / alternator for charging during outages. Line operated charger while on grid. Modest 120 VAC generator for large loads as intermittently required when power is down. Propane for cooking fuel.

    12-volt DC powered stereo with in-wall speakers, large mp3 music library on flash, TV/DVD amd maybe satellite

    56K modem with caching proxy for inexpensive internet connectivity (fiber is 800 feet away if I need and can justify cost for it)

    Screened porch on the north side (cool), deck on the south (warm) to exploit the seasons --Far north location in forest to avoid excessive heat in the summer (expected to be more important with global warming)

    Metal roof for low maintenance and possible freedom from satellite surveillance (the whole house has a tinfoil hat :-)

    Greenhouse to provide a spaghetti garden (tomatoes, onions, peppers, salad greens) in the short growing season

    Items still in consideration -

    Buried copper tubing heat exchanger under the basement floor for use as a cold sink for air conditioning and refrigeration efficiency. Also could use for water cooled CPUs but hard to justify for that use alone. Also could be used as a warm sink for a heat pump.

    Wood Chip/pellet/wood burner as a heat source for greenhouse.

  117. House quieted by accoustic/electrical engineering by Toxicgonzo · · Score: 1

    I want my house to be quiet from all the noises of the neighboorhood such as barking dogs. If it were possible I would put sound canceling speakers along the perimeter of my house. Neighboorhood noises would come into a microphone and the sound canceling speakers would play back the neighboorhood noises only inverted to create destructive interference and cancel the sound out.

  118. Larry Ellison's house - lots of big rocks by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here's a description of Larry Ellison's house. He likes big rocks. Lots of big rocks. He has a hot tub carved out of one big rock. A shower stall carved out of one big rock. A bridge built out of big rocks. A driveway made out of big, precut rocks designed by a program written by CS270 students at Berkeley.

    All this rock moving required years of heavy equipment operations. The construction site looked like a mall was going in. All this rock had to be not only placed, but anchored; the house is near the San Andreas fault.

    The house is on Mountain Home Road in Woodside, recognizable by the gatehouse that looks like a Japanese teahouse. In the end, it looks rather modest; it just has a landscape that belongs to a rockier area.

    So that's a real dream house, built for someone with a mania for big rocks.

  119. Smart by CagedBear · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes! My biggest pet peeve is that I pay the electric co. to heat hot water in the summer and cool my food in the winter.

    1. Re:Smart by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      Yes! My biggest pet peeve is that I pay the electric co. to heat hot water in the summer and cool my food in the winter.
      So get off your ass and do something about it - there's no law stopping you.

      The fault is not in our stars Horatio, but in ourselves.

  120. Dont like any of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First off efficiency and comfort should be #1. And honestly a Dome home meets that easily as well as gives you gobs and gobs of natural light with a bunch of skylights.

    My dome costs $45.00 a winter (Mchigan) to heat. Lights do not come on until late and the automation with my super cheap ADICON Ocelot + 2 Leopards and related modules and alarm coupled to a linux box makes things really nice. The only thing I would want to add is a high strength RF tag that idenentifies my car so when I pull in the driveway the garage door opens, the alarm is disabled and my lighting scheme of the day is on as well as other things like my mp3 playlist for friday evening is started playing. (all extremely easy to do with less than $3000.00 worth of hardware)

    I have extremely low costs for heat and electricity because of the dome as well as enjoy a 2500sq foot home for the price of a 1400sq foot home.

  121. The Tub by Deanasc · · Score: 1

    I really want a quiet Jacuzzi tub. Every one I've ever tried was louder then a leaf blower. And a cable TV drop next to said tub for the flat screen on the wall. And would it kill home designers to take into account pets? Make all the window sills a little deeper for the cat to sit on. Leave room in one of the bathrooms or laundry room for a catbox. Especially my catbox which is twice the footprint of a regular box.

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  122. My ideal... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    I currently live in an early 1970's-era (built in 1973) "ranch-house" - bought it because it was within our budget, in an ok neighborhood, no HOA, and was block construction (not this stick frame, stucco on cardboard and styrofoam shit they are now putting up). Not the most ideal (need new windows), but it hit our needs and wants for most of them, so that is what we got - our first home.

    But who cares about that - what I want in a home is a home designed for the enviroment it is in. I live in Phoenix, AZ and I can't believe the number of houses that are built every day with no regards for "desert living". It is like the builders just assume there will always be groundwater and electricity available for everyone for whatever needs, with no thought at all to the rest. No new houses have integrated solar water heating, for instance, despite the fact that we get so much damn sun and it would cut electricity or gas usage easily. No options, it seems, for installing solar electric panels on rooftops (unless you are going custom - read that as a lot of $$$$, not worth it to many people). What about the design of the house itself? None of them are designed "solar friendly", which if done right could pay off in cooling and heating. None of this stuff is "revolutionary". I am talking about things like rammed-earth construction, or monolithic domes (why all the square sides which expose more surface area to sunlight and heating in the summertime than a dome?).

    This type of thinking is what we need for "future housing construction". We need the idea in people's heads that using energy as efficiently as possible for their houses, for the area being lived in, is best - for the environment, for the country, and yes, for the pocketbook as well! Unfortunately, none of the ideas allow builders to simply throw up a cheap stick frame house (using illegal labor, to boot!) with stucco on cardboard, styrofoam, and chicken wire (though the chicken wire is going away, too), then sell the POS to some schmuck for 10x or more what it is probably worth. In other words, like everything else, they build it as cheaply as possible, as quickly as possible, using the cheapest labor possible, then turn around and sell it as quickly as possible to the first Joe willing to cough the dough up, and pocket the return on investment.

    I can't say I blame them - after all, that is pure business and capitalism at its base. But ultimately, it is going to run the world (well, us humans at least) into the ground - and most of us are too stupid or greedy to admit it, or see that it is happenning. Every one of us - including me.

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    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  123. Media Room is a must by SloppyElvis · · Score: 1
    Gotta have a nice media room in any futuristic home.

    • Room that can be dark or light midday
    • Dual high resolution projectors mounted to seemlessly meet on your specially painted wall, that run your dream high-end machines via wireless keyboard, mouse, gamepads, KVM, network
    • Closet designed with a rack for your computers, ventilation, power, sound insulation - why look and listen to all this stuff? Put it in a special little room of its own.
    • Comfortable couch, chairs, you know - furniture
    • Nice Bose sound system, properly configured for your room
    • Good Lighting - this is critically important. Check out these fancy control systems from Lutron. If money is no object, you can have some seriously cool sh1t.

    Some nice extras:

    • bathroom attached for quick emergency access
    • fully stocked wet bar at the back of the room
    • sound insulation for all walls, floor, and ceiling in the room
    • heavy solid hardwood door with a lock

    Other useful "future home" ideas:

    • Energy saving materials and appliances - this is the most important advance in home construction on a practical level
    • Central sound system could be cool, but you can roll one yourself with wireless network and some small appliances these days. A PDA with some control software through wireless to your media computer(s) would be a nice project, and not all that costly.
    • If you're in a cold climate, heated drives are very nice. No back-breaking snow shoveling.

    Most of the other "future" features I've seen amount to gimmicks.

    • Central computerized climate system? You can get a programmable thermostat for $70, so why get heavy with this? The climate in my home doesn't need that kind of mustard, I keep it around 70 degrees when I am awake, and set back at night.
    • Intercom? What for? I can yell at my kids - its more personal ;)
    • Security systems? If you live like Scarface maybe.
    • Touch panel central control systems? I have a nice compact touch panel PC sitting beside me right now, and when I took possession of it, I was thinking, "Oh cool, I can install this in my house and do all sorts of cool shtuff", but I couldn't think of anything useful for it besides the obvious lighting/media control/climate control, and shrink-wrapped systems are available that do all of those things already without me needing to build my own relays and such. I suppose it could make for a nice media room master control...

    So, make a sweet media room and you will be proud of yourself.
  124. Tyrell's office building from Blade Runner by Ars+Dilbert · · Score: 1

    Unlimited budget, eh?

    Glass and metal pyramid with no wood in its construction whatsoever. Maybe three floors, plus a basement. Auto tinting windows. Bluetooth (or future equivalent) locks and remote controls. All lights, locks and appliances should be controllable from my cell/handheld AND from a Web application. The house would know when I came home, and it would turn on the lights and unlock the front door.

    Metal and glass furniture. Large LCD screens and surround sound in every room (except rooms like storage, bathroom, server room etc...) Dedicated guest room. Server room in the basement so the heat and the noise aren't felt in the house. A library of classic literature. Green house garden.

    Self sustaining utilities. Hydroelectric AND wind AND solar power. Or a (small) nuclear reactor if The Man lets me have one. My own sewer system. Satellite connectivity.

    Astronomical observatory at the very top of the pyramid. Radio towers/antennas next to the house. (I've always wanted to try radio astronomy.)

    My own runway for small general aviation aircraft, with a taxiway right up to the house. Runway doesn't have to be very long. I want to say a helo pad too, but I'm a fixed wing pilot.

    The house should be at least 10 miles away from the nearest neighbor.

    1. Re:Tyrell's office building from Blade Runner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we've got an unlimited budget, why limit yourself to a conventional runway? Install a carrier-style catapult and arrester wires. :)
      Admittedly, the idea of a catapult-launched 172 amuses me to no end.

  125. Irony. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Reminds me a little of this discussion.

    It's a vast circle meta-criticism, of which the output is mainly trolling.

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    "Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
    1. Re:Irony. by glib909 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. But we wouldn't want one hemisphere of the Earth to fry because it stopped spinning.

      --
      Suudsu, that stuff is G-E-W-D.
  126. stuff that's working by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

    Things that I would like to see:

    1) Wired network in all rooms for video, backups, browsing. Wireless network for laptops.

    2) Centralized data space (i.e., small data center) with good ventilation, external heat exhaust, good power. I'm not talking a separate room, but a designated area near the wiring closet instead of something rigged into the home-office closet.

    3) Media server accessible from all video/audio devices. There must be options to have broadcasts to all devices so all rooms can have the same audio. Ideally, sensors in each room could track RFID devices to that music/video can (optionally) follow a person from room to room. You could also walk up to a terminal and have a central workspace automatically appear. I.e., work on a word processing document in the bedroom, walk to the office without saving, and have the identical workspace appear in the office.

    4) Conference capability from every room.

    5) The garage would automatically synchronize the car media with the house media.

    6) Terminals would be available in all rooms, but are hidden from view when not in use.

    7) The intrusion detection system would be accessible from selected terminals in the bedroom.

    8) Integration with the environmental controls to allow the A/C and heat to be automatically adjusted via software and on a room to room basis. This is useful because my office is often several degrees warmer than the rest of the house.

    9) Lighting presets for all rooms. I.e., be able to activate by voice/keyboard/remote control settings such as "movie theatre, bright, dungeons and dragons game in progress".

  127. Sound Proof by carlosGames · · Score: 0

    I want it quite and sound proof, i mean with all the HI TECH in it i wouldn't like to have more noise and at night all i want is to don't have to hear my neightbors partying, arguing, having love or even shooting each other ... i want just to be able to sleep :)

  128. The System I Have In Mind... by kwalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just a geek, not a home-automation expert, but the house I've been designing (for when I'm rich and/or famous) will have quite a bit of (in my opinion) useful automation (In no particular order):

    • The entire system will be integrated and each component will communicate back to the central "nerve cluster" either through a hard-wired interface or wirelessly. In turn, this computer system will keep everything running smoothly, coordinate all house functions for optimal occupant comfort and energy efficiency, and will make all its data available to (only) me for analysis.
    • Remotely controllable as well as having several touch screens at strategic locations around the house. It will have a secure web interface that I can connect to from my desktop/laptop/PDA/smartphone and control all the basic functions. The advanced functions may require a larger screen (e.g. a laptop or one of the touch screens).
    • Integration with my home network. This will give me the added benefit of integration with the car computer I am designing (I pull into the drive way, the house knows I'm home and begins its nightly routine).
    • Bluetooth receivers at strategic locations around the house so a bluetooth-equipped PDA or smartphone could be my remote. This gives me the added benefit of being able to unlock the doors and tell the house I am home by being close to one of the external doors.
    • Intelligent light switches. They will all be controllable from the home system so I can have it turn lights on/off from one of the touch screens scattered around the house, the TV interface, or my remote controls. It will also be able to (de)activate lights as necessary (e.g. Turn on the external lights 25 minutes after sunset, slowly bring up the lights in the master bedroom a few minutes before I wake up).
    • Integrated door locks. I don't want to have to remember to lock up at night or when I leave the house (It's a force of habit now, but if the house is intelligent, it should look after itself). Also, if I'm away from home, I can unlock the doors for whoever I have bringing in the mail/feeding the pets. Likewise, I want automated window shades, so I can (have it) increase or decrease the amount of sunlight entering the house.
    • Integration with the HVAC system, with zoned cooling/heating and remote temperature sensing, unlimited temperature schedule, away mode, overrides, etc. Also a small weather station feeding data into the system telling me the outside conditions and giving me alerts (e.g. reminding me to put on a coat if it is raining or snowed overnight).
    • Insulated, double-paned windows and security doors (and door jams).
    • Increased insulation in the house, especially the outside walls and ceilings. With the zoned HVAC system, I don't want heat leeching between zones. I'm also looking at insulated concrete for the foundation.
    • Conduit from every room leading to a specially-designed central server room. This will be the home for the nerve cluster as well as the other servers in the house. Each room will have two Ethernet drops as well as coax cable, but I can add more later if desired.
    • Integrated security system with cameras watching the doors and the driveway and sensors on all the windows. The system will be intelligent enough to pause the movie I'm watching and show me who's walking toward my doorway; turn on all the house lights if a window is opened after 10pm; if someone comes to my door while I'm not home, the house sends me a picture; or if I'm in the back yard the system can send me a video feed from the porch cam and I can tell the person there to come around back.
    • Integrated telecomm system. If I'm watching TV, it will have the option of pausing and showing me the Caller ID information for who is calling, and allow me to decide to take the call or go back to what I was doing previously. It will also be intelligent enough to route calls with blacklisted numbers or no Caller ID information to the auto-attendant.
    --
    ... And so it comes to this.
    1. Re:The System I Have In Mind... by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just me here, but it seems like a hackers dream to me. Everything is set up around a single system, so if it get shacked your screwed. Hell look at today's technology and how easily it fails, what happens if your system screws up and locks you inside the house with the heating on max? You're going to cook yourself with no way of escaping.

      Remember keys are still used because they are easy and effective, very difficult to break/crash/screw up and quick enough not to get in the way. With your system a minor bug could lock you out your house permantly and that's not going to make you happy if it rains.

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    2. Re:The System I Have In Mind... by kwalker · · Score: 1

      Methinks someone has been listening to Hollywood a little too much. If the system "screws up", what happens is that I turn the deadbolt control and walk out the door after disconnecting the system from the furnace. Most of the time I wouldn't even have to walk out the door since I can just as easily override any errant setting and bring the system back under control. Just because it's integrated and electronic does not mean it does not have manual overrides or physical keys. I'm not removing any functionality that I have now, I'm supplementing it with an automation system. No bug will lock me out of the system.

      As for it getting hacked, my post didn't mention the security on the system, just the security on the house. The entire security system I have in mind would have taken at least as much space to describe as my original post and would have only been tangentially on topic. Suffice it to say that the system would be secure and would implement strong separation, authentication, and encryption.

      --
      ... And so it comes to this.
  129. I only need one thing by coldtone · · Score: 1

    a holodeck.

    1. Re:I only need one thing by dfries · · Score: 1

      Better make that a one story house and put in real beds, because when the power goes out in the middle of the night...

  130. Cellphone off ... or else. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    So, some sort of EMP weapon?

    I'm not sure if your guests will come over more than once.

    In fact, if that's what happens to a guest ... I hate to see what happens to burglars. :)

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  131. Hnads down zero energy homes by zogger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Any new built home should be ultra insulated and be self powered. The concept is called "zero energy homes". By using "superinsulation" techniques, combined with intelligently purchased home appliances, and then adding in such things as active and passive solar heating, hotwater, and garnering your own electrical supply with PV or wind, etc, you can get down to about zilch for "energy bills" and always have your home be powered and heated and cooled.

        In addition, they should be built to be storm proof as much as possible, ice, wind, even fire can be dealt with using more advanced construction techniques like earthships, cordwood masonry, concrete domes, earth bermed,etc, plenty of different styles and techniques. There's no one size fits all, it really depends on geographical location and budget.

    here are a some useful links to get you started

    http://www.eere.energy.gov/solar_decathlon/ (check the homepages of last years entries to see the completed structures, the homes even run the car!)

    http://www.google.com/search?q=zero+energy+homes&s tart=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.google.com/search?q=earthships&start=0& start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Basically, ANYTHING but normal energy hog and fragile square stick built framed housing. That is so 20th century. Oil is not two dollars a barrel anymore, yet most homes are built about the same way they were back when that was true. You got to ask yourself, is that just plain nuts, or what? I vote "plain nuts". There are better ways to do things now...

  132. Glass House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd make a glass house in the middle of a garden that is surrounded by a two-storey high white concrete enclosure with a geodesic (sp?) dome room so I can project stars in all directions and go stargazing at 12 noon. It's also handy because I can just take an LCD projector and play video games against a two-storey high screen. Now, if only I could get the money for it...

  133. Go for the gusto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see, quake proof, hurricane/tornado proof, Glacier proof (in case "The Day After Tomorrow" scenario comes true).
    Radiation proof, EMP proof, with air filters in case of Atomic/Biological/Chemical war.
    Bomb and meteor resistant, in case a big one goes off a mile or two away.
    A deep tap for geothermal heat, also to be used as a power source, year round.
    Advanced waste/water/air recycling; hydroponic and/or equivalent vats for growing plant and meat cells for food.
    A copy of the Library of Congress.
    A nice workshop, starting with a big mass spectro-sorter to extract silicon, iron, aluminum, titanium, etc. from dirt, to processing equipment to make crystals and ingots and sheet, not to mention plastics, to machining equipment to convert raw materials into anything else.
    Debt-free ownership of the above.
    And last but not least, a fast Internet connection.

    1. Re:Go for the gusto by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...quake proof, hurricane/tornado proof, Glacier proof...Radiation proof, EMP proof...Bomb and meteor resistant...geothermal heat...A copy of the Library of Congress....Debt-free ownership of the above."

      And while I'm at it...I'd also like a pony.

      :-)

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  134. Conduit and Lots of It...Plus Abbot and Costello by Zebulah · · Score: 1

    I'm in the midst of fixing up an old run-down beach cottage that we recently bought. The single most important thing from my perspective is lots of conduit. We loaded smurf tube in the walls (after we ripped down the rotten sheet rock). We figured that would give us flexibility to add low voltage wire later for adding surround sound, home automation systems, whatever. We also left pull boxes in strategic locations for adding electric service in unexpected locations later.

    By the way, our plan is to skip POTS at this house and stick to IP connectivity. We're going to use the Visonics (http://www.visonic.com/)alarm system for basic home automation (and security). We'll back that up with standard X-10 style stuff.

    Of course, in the end we'll probably do everything wireless anyway.

    What we really wanted was cool Abbot and Costello features like swinging bookcases, secret rooms and the like. But that's stuff is surprisingly expensive to create.

    We are also looking seriously at geothermal heating and a/c. In our case it would be an open loop system which requires two wells.

  135. Screens and ease by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The first thing I would like, is large screens in every room that basically become part of the wall (or possibly art) when not in use. But who doesn't want that?

    In conjunction with that I would like an input pad the house would track and display activity on whatever screen visible from where the device was. As other input devices wandered into the same room the display would scale to accomidate both.

    Also LED track lighting that could be autmatically adjusted to different colors and roatation/repositionable programatically.

    You know what one feature I want is though - manual light control. I still like light switches because I don't always want a light to come on when I go in a room. I have no need for automatic control of lights myself, except perhaps to make it look like someone is home while I am away. But even then I guess I'd just prefer some really security security robots that would dissuade anyone entering the house from staying. Something modeled after a Dalek I think, one per floor...

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  136. There's a word for the important wing... by Expert+Determination · · Score: 1

    ...in my ideal home. Those Arabs knew a thing or two when they came up with this concept: a harem. Fully populated of course. But this is /. so I need to make my comment pertinent. A harem running Linux.

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    "The White House is not an intelligence-gathering agency," -- Scott McClellan, Whitehouse spokesman.
  137. Don't need high tech actually by rjschwarz · · Score: 1

    I'd like a secret passage that can be accessed through a rotating bookshelf. That and a painting with eyes that can be removed so I can watch my guests from seclusion.

  138. The house should recognize the occupants by Duck+of+Death · · Score: 1

    The house should recognize the behavior patterns of the occupants and act accordingly. If the patterns change, the house should learn and adapt to the new patterns. If there are 4 people in the house and they're all in one room, turn off the lights and reduce the heat in other parts of the house. Bring bedrooms to comfortable temperatures (heat them up or cool them down, depending on the season) just prior to bedtime. Don't bother making/keeping hot water available during times of day it's not needed. Bring lights on automatically when someone enters a room, but at a low level. If the person stays in the room, gradually bring the lights up to full strength.

    I want a web interface that would let me customize these features also. I'd like to be able to set max and min brightness on automatic lighting, appropriate heat levels, and I want to be able to customize each power outlet, so appliances, TVs and computers can be automatically shut off when not in use (i.e. the entertainment center's outlets are disabled between 11pm and 6am unless someone is detected in the room).

    I would like all the appropriate wiring/infrastructure in place in case I wanted to add green energy sources like solar panels, solar hot water and/or a wind turbine.

    I already have a media room for video games and DVDs but a dream media room would be one that could be used to play anything (DVD, HDDVD, HDTV, home network content, web based content, etc.) all magically tied together with an amazing UI that even my wife could use.

    A greenhouse would be nice, too.

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    "Can I finish? Can I finish? ... Okay, I'm finished."
  139. Modestly high-tech by omnix · · Score: 1

    Here's a list of the things I would like/am installing in my home:

    - Full audio distribution system
    - Wireless video of all entrances (integrated with home security system)
    - Biometric doorlocks (fingerprint, but must have numeric keypad as well)
    - Motion-sensitive lights in all bathrooms (steady on feature when the shower is running)
    - Solar and/or wind power for pool system
    - High-speed (wired) networking, digital video, analog video & analog phone accessible from each room
    - Smart air circulation/conditioning with individual settings for each room
    - Home management system (monitor security, adjust environments, etc)

    All of this must be integrated into an energy-effecient design without loosing functionality, space or design.

  140. Earthship by astonish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly! I attended a speech here not to long ago by someone who had built their own earthship. Essentially the idea is to pack sand in tires for thick mass around 3 walls and then face the sun with a wall of windows and the house regulates its own temperatures. They built their home (somewhere in the 2000-3000 sqrft size range) for $40,000 CDN. The house regulates its own temperature from outdoor conditions of -40C to +30C here in Ontario. They use a composting toilet, well water with a waste water system using plants, woodstove and solar power (including computers). For $40k (they say they could do it for $30K knowing what they know now) they are completely off the grid and as a bonus financially independent other than property taxes. As an interesting aside in some municipalities your property taxes are based on the amount of greenspace your house takes up and since the roof of the house is actually earth and grass you loose no greenspace....

    Anyway, this my new dream home. As it is completely self-sufficient, low cost, and there have been many projects to show that you don't have to sacrifice luxery (including running many computers and HDTVs and the like) when living in this sort of home. About the only trouble seems to be getting building permits (did I meantion they are certified earthquake safe in california?) Many of them are very gorgeous as well. I would recommend checking out earthship.org for examples.

    1. Re:Earthship by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend and I are planning a four- or five-U earthship on my croft in the North-West of Scotland. The idea is that construction will start in about 5 years at the outside, and will be built in stages. The "interesting" part of the problem is keeping it wind- and water-tight in the face of regular 150mph storms while retaining modular construction.

      Those of us /.ers in Scotland could do worse than to visit the arthship in Fife.

    2. Re:Earthship by njh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you could put something up using structural insulated panels in a weekend with comparable thermal performance.

      For heating all year round, read this: http://www.ece.villanova.edu/~nick/solar/solar.htm l

    3. Re:Earthship by drsquare · · Score: 1

      The main problem of that is that it would need a large amount of land in order to build it, not to mention expensive (and fragile) windows. The rooms with the big windows will let a lot of noise in from outside. I wouldn't want to be trying to sleep with the noise of traffic going past coming in through the glass unhindered. OK if you live in the sticks I suppose.

      I also would have thought that the temperature in the house will be different in different areas of the house. What happens if it's freezing cold on one side of the house and warm on the other? Are there mechanisms for warming up the cold parts?

    4. Re:Earthship by hattig · · Score: 2, Funny

      Please get them to make a website detailing everything they did. This is what I want to do, get away from it all.

      My ideal of a stony cave-like underground dwelling probably wouldn't pull the chicks though. But an eco-friendly house would. Possible. Even the long-skirted type that don't wash enough. That's what hoses are for. Solar powered hoses.

      God, why am I posting after a night on the tiles?

    5. Re:Earthship by njh · · Score: 1

      'direct gain' solar houses are poor performers. As a slashdot geek you should look at http://www.ece.villanova.edu/~nick/solar/solar.htm l instead for a much more elegant solution. And you can build them for $300 attached to your existing house or shed.

    6. Re:Earthship by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Look at where it's built. I suspect it would last about a week in a Scottish winter.

    7. Re:Earthship by njh · · Score: 1

      They use commercial greenhouses in pretty harsh conditions.

    8. Re:Earthship by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      They're conspicuous by their absence from the north-west coast of Scotland, except in *extremely* sheltered areas. Basically we get hit by fairly strong winds (up to 140-150mph) for a few weeks every year. Anything not firmly fixed down won't be there in the morning. We put guy ropes on our paving slabs.

    9. Re:Earthship by njh · · Score: 1

      Ouch! But the sunspaces are attached to the house and could be made out of multiwall polycarbonate, which is almost bullet proof...

    10. Re:Earthship by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1
      Yes! Some of the comments on here had me wondering whether my fellow geeks were just like any other mortals, sinking into grubby materialism soon as their tech work made them more money than they knew what to do with. Talk of a $70K home theater system, and then totally overlooking that it's in a typical cookie cutter home, I mean, give me a break. That kind of money could do so much more ecologically interesting things.

      Some ideas are flash heater for hot water, or heat exchanger for used shower water to water going into a traditional water heater, or solar water heating of course. There's the usual thermal mass ideas to even out temperature swings, such as this green roof. Concrete has an undeserved reputation of being ugly, and cracking, and trapping moisture. People don't even consider it for residences, but somehow prefabricated concrete is ok for commercial buildings. Some concrete systems are tilt-wall, poured into molds (the most common, as that's the easiest to make look exactly like a conventional home), and the more radical "shot-crete" for domes. Another interesting site is Rocky Mt. Institute. Lot of ideas out there.

      A lot of this stuff can be done for less money than conventional construction. I quite agree with the complaints about these contractors and builders who want to turn everything into a horrendous expense for the would-be homebuilder. Atypical = expensive, even when it's not expensive. The vast majority of "green" designs are put out of reach of most people by this sort of mentality. The sort of gadget-packed geek home that appears in, say, Popular Science is ridiculous. All the advantages of a solar water heater can be instantly negated for 3 times the expense by adding pumps, or the payback can be made longer than a century by using expensive metals, etc.

      A thing I'd like to not have in a home is the fireplace. I know, I know, most people have a thing for fireplaces. I'd rather not have anything at all, but might settle for "fireplace ready", as in, a place to hook up a chimney. Let the next owners of the house blow $ on a fireplace if they just have to have one. I'd also like to lose the dryer. Have an indoor clothesline that also is a closet. But for those who just have to have a dryer, why in the world is all that hot air always vented to the outside? Be great to have that warm and humid dryer exhaust pumped into the house in winter.

      I've also wondered whether rounding off exterior corners would be a good idea. As in, less surface area per interior area = improved thermal properties. Saw quite a few comments declaring a lvoe for the rectangular, so maybe not.

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  141. Books out the yin-yang by La+Camiseta · · Score: 1

    I'm quite the bibliophile, so i'd have a large library with very tall windows to let in as much light as possible. Large quantities of empty space for people/friends to congregate during parties and BBQs (go figure, there's pretty long summers here in Vegas). The TV screens and computers would all be hidden except for some well-placed iMacs/iBooks. Maybe some nice hardware in the kitchen. Got to love a powerful stove/oven and an oversized fridge. Not much else.

    On the whole I prefer simplicity to showing off. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's no technology in there, just that it's so well integrated that you don't even notice it (e.g. something like door locks that are activated by the proximity of a special key ala shielded RFID).

  142. Whole house voice activation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey Johnny Johnny ..."
        "Yeah boss ..."
    "Fire up the TV"
        "Turning on the TV ..." ...

    "Is it all reruns?"
    "Hey Johnny Johnny ..."
        "Yeah boss"
    "Anything new on?"
        "Excuse me?"
    "uhhh ... Check for new programs"
        "New programs onscreen"
    "What time is it?"
        "You talkin' ta me?"
    "Yeah"
        "Ten twenty" ...

        "Hey boss?"
    "Yeah?"
        "You just got email from Susan" ...

    "Hey Johnny Johnny ..."
        "Yeah boss"
    "What's that song?"
        "Title is 'Sumthin', artist is Greenday"
    "Buy it and send it to the car"
        "What's the password?"
    "Password? How much is it?"
        "Ten dollars"
    "Nevermind"

  143. simple, durable, maintainable by lee+n.+field · · Score: 1
    I spend my days fixing computer stuff for people. I'd rather not spend my nights and weekends fixing my own kit.

    I also have no great desire anymore to be entertained. I find most everything offered for my entertainment in these times to be vile, stupid or both. I loathe TeeVee. I'd much rather have a couple rooms lined with bookshelves.

  144. What I would want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need much in the way of automation and fancy electronics.

    Moat, drawbridge, stone walls, towers at all four corners. Range cards at the windows of the towers. Vehicle barriers at the entrance of the drive.

    Double fencing with razor wire on top. Razor wire on the ground between the fences.

    Day and night video surveillance of the perimeter fence would be nice.

  145. Holodeck? by eric_brissette · · Score: 0

    Yeah, that's really all I want... A holodeck. And maybe one of those neat food-making-doodads.

  146. ONE THAT IS PAID FOR by Markvs · · Score: 1

    Can't get much more ideal than that!

    Oh, and dark fibre. ;-)

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  147. one more post about energy efficiency by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in a climate with some big temperature swings, and I'd like to see an automatic way to do something that I have to do manually currently: "bank" some extra heat or cold in anticipation of the next change, usually day/night but sometimes a change in the weather too.

    I'm talking about things like opening the windows on a warm day to let in a lot of heat (for free) then the furnace doesn't have to work as hard to maintain temp at night. Similar for cooling: open the house up at night so that the a/c doesn't have to work all day. Also take into account the side the sun is hitting from and set up fans to draw in or exhaust as appropriate to the thermal direction you're trying to take the house.

    Not every climate has large enough temp swings to take advantage of throughout the year, but a lot can do this in the late spring and early fall.

  148. Keyless entry by paco3791 · · Score: 1

    Every day as I fumble for my keys to get in the house, but just turn around and, *Beep*, my car is locked/unlocked I wish I could get keyless entry for my home.

    Are there existing systems out there? How hard are they to retro fit to existing doors? How do they supply reliable power to the locking mechanism? Or is someone going to go out and get rich off of this post?

    1. Re:Keyless entry by bastardoperator · · Score: 1

      It is not that bad I know of the Power Bolt system made by Wizer(Not sure of spelling). You can get on at almost any hardware store (Home Depot, Home Hardware).

  149. ...in my wildest dreams by big+dumb+dog · · Score: 1
    If I had unlimited funding to add fancy features to my home:
    I would get a toilet that actually worked! I'm tired of getting the plunger out every time I eat at Chipotle.

    ...maybe if I get really fancy I will add one of those censors that can tell when I'm done and flush for me -- you know, like they have at McDonalds.

    Hopefully the neighbors won't think I'm all hoytie toytie or even worse stop over to use my fancy new toilet.
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  150. All I want is. . . by mjackson14609 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    . . .the Monsanto House of the Future; it's time.

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  151. Useful tech, not cool tech by Riskable · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Never design a house around it being "cool" because that wears off. Instead, make the "cool" factor easily swapped out and replaced with the latest style. The rest of the home should utilize tech that benefits it's occupants in efficiency and ergonomics.

    My ideal home specs are thus:

    * Every room has it's own air return and heat/cool zone with their own thermostats. That way you can "turn off" unused rooms to save energy.
    * Insulated interior doors that are weather-stripped like exterior doors to make the previous suggestion work better as well as provide soundproofing.
    * Utilize the geography of the home to ease the energy burden. If you're building in a hot, sunny environment, install solar-powered water heating. If you're in a cool, dry environment, build the home into the ground to utilize natural insulation. You get the idea.
    * Utilize sunlight-piping to light hallways and non-open rooms during the day.
    * Use fiber-optics to provide accent lighting in the living areas.
    * Install insulated vents so that hot air can be utilized in the summer to aid the water heater and cold air can be utilized in the winter to aid the refrigerator/freezer.

    I have a lot more, but I've run out of time.

    -Riskable
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    "I have a license to kill -9"

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    1. Re:Useful tech, not cool tech by radtea · · Score: 1


      Every room has it's own air return and heat/cool zone with their own thermostats. That way you can "turn off" unused rooms to save energy.

      And in general, a way of moving air from one room to another efficiently. My basement is warm in winter and cool in summer. The loft is the opposite (duh) and it would be nice to be about to suck some of that subterranean air upstairs efficiently. The natural chimney effect of the stairwell helps a lot, but more would be better, especially in winter when the upstairs windows aren't open. Ceiling fans also help, but I'd like to be able to use the existing duct work for this, and not just turn the furnance fan on to blow air everywhere. I want it directable.

      I'm in the midst of renovations to replace my loft with a full second story, and one of the things I want to do is put in a well that drops from the top to the bottom, just a couple of feet on a side, that will carry plumbing, power, network cables, and whatever else comes along later. Just having that kind of conduit available is a big thing to keep future integration options open.

      I think most people want a house that is reasonably energy efficient today, and able to take advantage of future tech to become more energy efficent in the future. We know that we're facing a few decades of more expensive power, and would like our homes to be flexible enough to adapt to the changing energy environment without having to commit a huge amount of money to every upgrade.

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  152. 70k isn't super-high-end?!? by StandardDeviant · · Score: 1

    Jesus [and at that price point, Mary and Joseph as well]! I spent about $30k on my college education (BSc chem from a department in the top 10 nationally).

    So, what did you have to type into google maps to get directions to the Money Forest? ;) Inquiring minds and all that...

  153. Re:Duh - Not This Xanadu by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    Wow, am I out of touch, I thought everyone meant the Xanadu.

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  154. it's the simple things that matter most by chocolateeater · · Score: 1

    My wish list: I want a button on my tv remote that will control the lights. I want a button on the tv that makes the remote chirp. I want an automated system that will lock all windows and doors at 10pm everynight so I don't have to lie in bed wondering if the door is unlocked. I want a switch that will open/close all the curtains in the house because I hate walking to each individual one. And make those insulated curtains. Better yet, put it on a timer linked to sunrise/sunset. Finally, I want motion-activated lights in hallways and storage rooms because my husband keeps leaving the lights on.

  155. Pluto: free and open source by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    You want pluto, a free and open source linux-bsed home automation toolkit.

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  156. my list... by Acheron · · Score: 1

    I recently built a house and thought a lot about this stuff. I decided that I wanted efficiency, flexibility, safety and comfort as my highest priorities. Some of the things I got, some I didn't since I didn't have unlimited budget, and my builder declined to do a few things. But here they are:

    - data wiring everywhere, and all data wires should be placed in conduit for easy upgrade/replacement in the future.
    - patch based wiring control
    - amplified video distribution throughout the house, with multiple inputs including camera mounts outside, etc
    - multizone HVAC (minimum 3 zones for basement/main/upstairs) with heat/cool, humidity control.
    - fire protection: spun basalt insulation in all walls/floors, minimize combustible material where possible
    - sound proofing: why should i have to choose to have the tv volume where I want it vs wake up the kid? Spun basalt acoustic batt in all walls/floors/ceilings, metal stud construction walls with double-layer gypsum board, ceilings hung on acoustic flex rails and only connected to walls by acoustic sealant, solid core doors with self-sealing accoustic sweeps and seals, possibly super-dense acoustic sheeting included in the walls/ceilings.
    - continuous, on-demand hot water (no hot water tank)
    - super-efficiency low-e windows

    From there there were some toy requests:
    - multizone whole house audio
    - lighting automation
    - snazzy appliances
    - place to construct infinite-baffle subwoofer
    - server and wiring closet
    - tv in the ensuite so I can watch in the jacuzzi ... the wife had some input on the timing of doing most of that stuff, so I just had them built with future projects in mind on most of real toy stuff :)

  157. Don't forget the lighting by dougman · · Score: 1

    Reading all the highly modded comments (over 20 now), not one mentioned lighting. When we did our very extensive remodel, the most important feature to us was the lighting. Scene based lighting is wonderful on its own - sets the mood, saves energy and generally works with your lifestyle. Some of my favorite features include:

      - Built-in clocks that can slowly bring up lights as the sun sets and turn on appropriate outdoor lights
      - Integrate with security systesm, turning on lights when motion sensors are activated and only bring it up to 35% when it is after 9 pm.
      - Flash all the lights in the house on and off when an alarm is triggered.
      - Flash lights in the room or zone a fire alarm is set off in if it ever happens.
      - Turn off all the lights in the house when we leave and arm the alarm (no more forgetting the light in the kids closet).
      - Random scenes based on historical usage patterns when we're travelling.
      - Really set the home theater feel with slow ramp-down dimming timed to work with the start of the show.

    These are just some of the reasons we wanted the system and I don't think we'd ever buy another house that didn't have a similar system. It really becomes part of what you expect from your house (it's like the going back to tv without tivo.)

    For the record here, I'm not talking about x-10 and a PC. I'm talking about a reliable system. See companies such as Lutron (homeworks), Centralite (Elegance) and Vantage. There are plenty more good hardwired systems that work with home automation controllers. This isn't to say there aren't some lower cost solutions (ALC comes to mind) but I wanted something that was 100% stand alone and just did one thing very well. Easier to integrate that into a controller in my opinion.

    Oh, and the "crazy" thought of starting a bubble bath isn't so crazy. I've heard plenty of women who are aware of home automation ask if it can be done. We don't have it, but are still looking for a solution. Kohler used to made a slick system for this, but no longer does...

  158. Integration. by moorley · · Score: 1

    If you looking for the cream of the cool then it's integration. I can buy lots of different gadgets that do lots of different things but the more integrated it is into the home the better.

    My dream was having everything integrated into a voice activated system. The FOSS version would be Mr.House but the more integration the better.

    For sanity sake I think you'd have to look at an integration design like a script engine that ties things together and check if they are ontrack.

    Nice touches that integration allows:
    The muting/pausing of audio/video when you receive a call to the house.
    Doorbells or other notifications pausing/silencing or overlaying on video.
    UPS/FedEx delivery option where it will open the door to allow them to deliver a package and lock it behind them based on your cellphone ok.
    Lights that activate and deactivate based on where you are or what you are doing.

    My personal dream touch would be handing guests a badge (star trek esque if you must) that gives them guest level access to the house and what it provides. No keys, no codes, just a small comm unit with an interactive help system.

    But all of that integration comes at high cost. But I debug equipment all the time. Running my home like a server room with maintenance and logging just seems natural to me.

    Right now my design architecture is older PC's, ubiquitous networking (WiFi or cabled) eventually migrating to mini-itx systems strategically stashed in different places. Primary focus is media (audio and video) for now but I may expand that as time goes on. Getting a reliable Linbox rescue server up and running has become a priority ;-)

    To each their own.

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  159. Been there. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    So, basically ... what you're telling me is that you want to live in a cave.

    I think that's been done.

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  160. Food machine on south side by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    Integrated south facing algae solar bioreactor, feeding algae grazing fish like tilapia in a huge aquarium and using the water as heat/cool storage.

  161. thinking too simple by _EternaL_ · · Score: 1

    Gadgetry is just the start. Above ground, I want a south facing (I live in MN) pre-stressed poured concrete home, dyed and stamped. In floor liquid radiant heat. Large open spaces. Large windows on the south side of the house. The east/west walls should be modular fin-style walls that, using a mechanical system, open to let air flow through the house. Kitchen with a brick-oven. Greentech. Blackwater system, water pillars for heating/cooling. The house should be located on a stream (in MN we have plenty) and should use a small hydroplant for energy, as well as solar and a diesel backup generator. The usual electronic gadgetry. Biometric/proximity security options. Cameras to monitor the property as well as interior. Motion activated recording. small (~7") screens in the kitchen/bathrooms to access a local server with access to things like "Recipes" and "Inventory request forms" (Like, being in the bathroom, realizing you are getting low on toilet paper, so you access a map of the house, tap on the bathroom, tap 'inventory request' and select toilet paper). Home automation. Computer control of home events. Touch panel control of certain biometric 'environmental conditions'. Low lighting and rose scented aromatherapy air treatment for a nice relaxing evening, or bright lighting and iincreased volume for parties... That type of thing.

    Now comes the gradeschool fantasy stuff. Hidden passages to underground locations. My server room, a vault, a wine cellar, the garage etc.

    Yeah, very James Bond, very 'fantasy' but the request was 'given an unlimited budget'

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  162. I have 5 words.. by DoctorDyna · · Score: 1
    Welcome to my underground lair.

    No, seriously, I've often wanted to live in a place like that disused military underground deal they have in europe, you know the one that was for sale for a while for like $5 million euro or something.

    A technology that I saw in the movie "The Island" that I think was neat is the toilet that detects imbalances in your..whatever it is you put in the toilet at that moment.

    Let's try this by attacking things that annoy us or make life more difficult.

    I don't know if I'd go as far as bubble baths that run for you, but I would like to see something like a fingerprint reader that hooks to a computer that controls the bath / shower, and can automatically set the temperature of the water to your personal taste. Beats fighting with the knobs when you're half asleep, and it's completely possible with today's technology.

    How about beds that make themselves? Come on! completely possible with today's technology.

    How about a phone system / answering machine that only answers the phone when you are not in the house, or when you are asleep, answers in 1 ring if you are gone, doesn't ring at all if you are asleep (or it smells your dinner cooking), unless the caller is on a pre-determined list. Think of all the assinine calls you could avoid.

    Ok, were done with shit that CAN be done, now lets move onto something a little more esoteric.

    How about having wall colors that run electronically, tied to a computer that can sense the thoughts of the person who enters the room, and automatically changes the wall color to that person's favorite color. Furniture as well.

    How about a sophisticated stove that uses smell to determine a food type, quantity, etc that automatically cooks it perfectly, with predetermined heat and time. Hey, this one is just about possible with current tech, only we would have to use x-rays for density..unless we used MRI, which would make it impossible to use metal cookery...anyway, you get the idea. The stove says "10 inch skillet detected, 3 medium eggs. Setting appropriate 160 degree temperature for 4 minutes."

    I dunno, I can't give away all my good ideas, lmao.

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  163. Please don't encourage such spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either don't approve the messages or at least strip the links to their site. Sheesh.

  164. HEAT TRACKING ROOF GUNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stops the local dogs and burglars. I've wanted one for years...

    Not a little weenie gun either - a full on gatlin gun of the 1000 RPM kind. Should track anything with a temp differential +- 10 degrees of the surrounding 10ft circle of ground.

    and yes - it won't shoot the fam - should know us by the chips in our heads and avoid its usual gut spattering behavior.

    Please, please offer this as a home integration option.

  165. HoloDeck & Replicators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could care less about anything more then an 8000 cubic foot Holodeck with a Replicator. Include full environmental controls (includes gravity) and I'd be in absolute heaven. Just think; You get tired of the current furniture so decided to go with something entirely different and change things in the blink of an eye. Want fine Dining? God's I'd love to be able to get what every I wanted in the way of a meal without cleanup.

    Combine this with Quantum Fibre Optic (pterrabyte bandwidth) and you'd have enough trouble just getting me to leave my house.

  166. remote start/stop house by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    I'm in the process of designing a house to be used part of the year in a remote, weather-intensive area. What I would really like is a house that has UPS/hybrid technology so it can survive weeklong power outages, that I can call/telnet into before I get there and have it turn on the house power, heat, and water heater. (Probably using a very low power computer running off solar cells -- at almost 4 km altitude, we get more solar than we can consume. So having the mains power switched off when we're not there makes sense.) In an ideal world, it would also be able to prime, clear, and start the well and close the water system drains, since the house sees -20C for months at a time (when nobody is there) so we drain it down at the end of the warm season. If I had reliable (and reporting) solenoids on the water system, it could close them, pressurize the water system, and fire up the water heater and the house would be habitable when I got there. I'd just have to strip off the shutters over the windows rather than spending an hour or two in the crawl space and wellhouse getting the water system up and checking and tightening valve packing from the temperature-oscillation-induced leakages.

    Temperature sensors and a webcam, so I could see what the weather was like before setting out on a rather long drive and get some idea of how long it was going to take, would also be nice.

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  167. A Simple Unified Interface by misfit815 · · Score: 1

    I want one device that controls everything. Case in point: My Toshiba HDTV remote can't control my Toshiba DVR, even though both models were manufactured at approximately the same time (and I'm talking about just channel up/down, not the DVR-specific stuff. So I need two remotes handy. Then there's my garage door opener. And my cell phone. And my furnace controls. And my alarm system control pad. And my water softener controls. And my...

    These are wildly different systems, but there's no reason they can't all be controlled from a single interface unit.

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  168. Soundproofing by behindthewall · · Score: 1

    I'd gladly pay the percentage premiums I've occasionally seen cited, in return for a home that has both interior and exterior soundproofing. From your perspective, this would provide the ability to enjoy media without disturbing your cohabitants or your neighbors, and without them disturbing you.

    I don't mean necessarily an extreme set up so that Junior's band can practice in the basement / garage without a peep. But, perhaps a brick exterior; 2x6 or better framing (especially exterior); cement board or similar in place of drywall; extra insulation and interior insulation; designs that interrupt conductive transference; triple-pane windows. I don't know a lot about such things, but those items come to mind. Perhaps also a ranch layout, so that cohabitants aren't literally "on top of each other" and where different activities can take place at different ends.

    In my case, if I could, I would pay what I could for extreme measures. Not only is silence golden, it is bliss. I'm probably not the majority, but I'd pay a pretty penny to ensure I can have some when I want.

  169. Underground! by 5n3ak3rp1mp · · Score: 1

    I have been thinking about the "dream house" ever since I read a National Geographic article about energy-efficient homes as a little kid during the 70's energy crisis. Necessity, the mother of invention and all that.

    And so I'd love to have a house with most if not all of the floors underground, with sunlight piped in via mirrors or fiber optics or skylights. The surrounding earth would make a fantastic insulator/buffer in the summer and winter. Some greenery, lots of wiring and wireless, cozy furniture. A massive media server (check!). Four-poster queen-size bed. Hot tub.

    Trees up top, with a swimming pool, and a big slide and diving board. A trail nearby to run or cycle down, which goes by the water. A beach nearby would be very nice. With my future catamaran moored nearby.

    I just like the idea of having an unconventional home that just so happens to be more energy-efficient. I still have an old Apple poster somewhere based on the Life is Hell characters (Groening's other work) that illustrates the "ideal dorm". I loved reading about those abandoned missile silos in the midwest that were resold as semi-furnished residences.

  170. Home Automation by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Lights - Dimable in all living area's and / or lots of them if they are CF or similar. I want motion sence and some sane defaults so I come home at night the correct levels of lights are brought up slowly.

    Security - A keyfob or similar for entry with key backup for power outages / system failures. Work with the motion sensors from lighting. Permiter camera's are allways nice along with some internal ones (babys rooms) basic DVR should go along with this. I should be able to bring up any camera on any TV / computer I should also get a display of the motion detector zones on the same. Tie in garage door opening (with a realy secure remote) to turn off applicable sensors, things like opening a window should never be an issue from the inside (look at motion detector inputs) and should just work.

    Video - Any source to any display I want to eb able to pause my tivo in the LR go up stairs to bed and start right where I left off. HD is the way to go here for my money dont try and give me plasma or LCD for main TV's maybe for the nitch bathroom or kitchen TV's. Video should include being able to video conference at least around the house and view house sources. A big server should store all the possible content (rip it off the DVD's losslessly perferably from DVD's located around the house) Tivo to Tivo MRV and server to Tivo MRV are not that hard to deal with. Perfect house might be mythtv with digital ins to deal with all the conflict resolution and on the fly up/down sampling (money isn't an object :)

    Audio - Should just work and I should be able to get at least stereo in every room. 5.1 or better in heavy TV watching rooms. All audio should be in sync so I dont notice slight timing differences room to room when I have the whole house plaing one thing. While your at it acusting insulation should be installed on all new work to keep the noise down between rooms and floors nothing worse than not being able to use your home theater because it's going to wake the kids wife etc.

    Remotes - Rules one buttons fancy diplay remotes are nice but buttons give you that touch feel. They need ot control everything, think presets and on screen controls (a picture in picture remote popup would be nice and easy) RF is a must. Touchpads that are normaly dark are a good idea as well as blinking lights are bothersome.

    Power - Lots of it with a nice backup gen and UPS for the house.

    HVAC - Lots of zones with some AI learning or similar so unused rooms are not heated / cooled as much until they are needed. The TV room should also try and keep the noise down when in movie mode. Tie in with wake up calls etc.

    PBX - Tie ins with modes so the phone does not ring during dinner / movie etc.

    Thats it for now.

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  171. Easiest question to ask ever by DaveJay · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you really want a "futuristic" home that won't become an anachronism eventually, there is one (and only one) option: make the house as flexible and updatable as possible.

    That means you can't just run wires in the walls; you need low AND high-voltage conduit that runs places you don't think you need cables right now, and with lots of extra capacity -- and, ideally, that allows you to break through the wall and "punch into" the conduit at any point within the wall that it runs.

    That means you need to allow for reconfiguration of ducting, gas and water lines at will.

    That means you need some walls to be more than just non-structural -- they should be freely reconfigurable.

    You get the idea. The future is DIFFERENT, and your house needs to be able to accommodate that.

    1. Re:Easiest question to ask ever by Lalo+Martins · · Score: 1

      ok, that's nearly what I came here to post, so I'll make it a reply here rather than a new thread :-)

      So... if everything is smartly interconnected, the system needs to be extensible and flexible, because new cool gadgets will come up and I will want to integrate them.

      The reconfiguring of lines should include switching tech; only 3 years ago, all this internal connectivity would be ethernet. Today, it's either gigabit ethernet with wifi on selected spots, or wifi (G) everywhere. In three more years, it will certainly be something else. I'd like to rest assured that it would only take me one day or less to make such a switch.

      Because "ideal futuristic" is a relative value. The "future" is changing everyday.

      _______________

      On a more or less unrelated note... user interface.

      I'm fine with tapping on buttons in well-placed touchscreens, or on my mobile/pda, as a secondary user interface. But the primary interface should be voice. I suppose there should be different choices here -- either it pretends to behave more or less like a human, with configurable voice/persona, or it behaves logically and structured like a computer; there will be users who prefer both.

      The rationale is that it's much more natural for us to be greeted by our "valet" when we get home, even if it's a virtual and invisible "valet", and then tell it what we want. "Hello Lalo. You have 3 emails that passed your 'important' filter. No phone calls today. And there is a new episode of SG1 recorded for you." Then I'd say, "great. Get me a (insert fast food type I'm feeling like), I'll watch it now." Or, "I'm gonna read my email then, please start up some music, medium volume, the 'relaxing' playlist". Or, "hrmph. I need a bath, please prepare the tub. And lower the lights and play celtic music." You get the picture. Many people fantasise of having a person to actually do that; but even those who can afford it, often don't, because of the inconvenience and the privacy loss of having this extra person in your home, knowing everything about you -- not to mention, needing a bedroom, clothes, food, whatnot. An "invisible valet" would therefore be the natural UI for a smart house... well, IMHO.

  172. The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The house of tomorrow looks an awful lot like the house of yesterday. I'm a homeowner, so I can pass along some of my own observations about how I would change my house if I had the chance:

    1. Insulate, insulate, insulate. You can never insulate too well. Even if you think you've insulated well enough for thermal control, extra insulation is also sound deadening, which is nice. While you're at it, seal up the house really well. BUT if you do that, make sure you install a heat-exchanger venting system to replace the house air. This isn't so much a health issue as much as it is an aesthetic one. When you drop a deuce in the master bath, a well sealed house will help make the, uh, memories linger unless you are changing out the air. And leaving the bathroom window open on a cold, rainy night is never a great plan.

    2. Put the laundry "room" (alcove, closet, whatever) near the master bedroom. It takes some extra work and some extra space, but you'll thank me. Especially if you have a two story house. You didn't install the dishwasher in the garage, did you?

    3. Nice big conduits to every room for low voltage / communications wiring. Yes, for today I want 2 cat 5 and 2 RG6, but what about tomorrow?

    4. Oversize the utility inputs as much as you can. We swapped out our stove/oven for a gas model. This required bringing a second gas line in through the garage - a fairly ugly hack. It would have been much better to future-proof this up front.

    5. Tankless water heater. More reliable and longer lasting, more energy efficient, more graceful failure mode. Who can argue with that?

    6. A basement. Obviously in some places this is actually required to insure the foundation is below the frost line, but even in Silicon Valley I'd like to have one for storage and to make repairs and improvements easier. We have a crawl space. It's not so nice. If you have a basement and a single story, then you probably can strike out #3 above.

    7. Attic stairs / finished attic. The trend nowadays in making your house bigger is to replace the attic with a 2nd story. The 2nd story winds up with rooms with angled ceilings and the like, and you don't get to have an attic at all. We don't have a big family, so we don't really need that. But we are storage-poor, so it would be really helpful to be able to conveniently use the giant, cavernous triangle above the ceiling to store stuff.

    8. If you go with 2 stories, try and arrange to have a pair of closets vertically lined up. If your health declines as you get older (a house is a long term investment, mind you), you can convert them into an elevator.

    9. Every (non Amish) modern house in America has a home theater. The only difference is how nice it is. A 23" TV in the den is the home theater if that's where you watch TV. I'm not saying you should plan your house around home theater, but if you know some of the rules of good theater design, you can decide how many of them you can try and incorporate in the place where the TV goes:

    A. Sunlight is the enemy of your TV. The room doesn't have to be windowless, but try and avoid large picture windows facing West or South.

    B. The distance between the screen and your eyes ideally should be about 2-3 times the height of the screen (at least, if we're talking about high definition TV. Sit further away, and you'll lose all of the extra detail you paid for when you bought an HD set).

    10. Let nature help your HVAC situation. Plant deciduous trees to the south. In the summer, they'll shade the house. In the winter, they'll drop their leaves and let the sun through to warm you. Plant evergreens between your house and the prevailing winter wind (usually from the North).

    1. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      A good post, but some minor points:

      Even if you think you've insulated well enough for thermal control, extra insulation is also sound deadening, which is nice.

      For controlling accoustic noise nothing beats mass. Concrete panels, bricks, thick renders and cement stabilised earth are all good ways to stop noise. The fluffy insulation will only deaden higher frequency sound.

      make sure you install a heat-exchanger venting system to replace the house air.

      HRV are almost always a waste of money. It is very hard to seal a house well enough to make the HRV have any serious impact (and they cost a lot).

      When you drop a deuce in the master bath,

      Better to just draw the air out through the cistern overflow.

      Laundry

      Where I live we dry clothes on a line outside, but if you need to use a dryer, perhaps just keep your clothes in a heated cupboard and toss the dryer. Heat at the bottom and turn on a fan if it gets humid at the top.

      Nice big conduits to every room

      Someone else posted this: http://www.wiretracks.com/prod.html Much better solution.

      Tankless water heater.

      And how does this work with solar heating?

      A basement. An Attic.

      Amen! We don't even have a crawl space, we have a get-wedged-and-require-earth-moving-equipment-to-g et-out space. Nor do we have an attic. Add to your attic some polycarbonate roofing to use as a sunny workshop in winter.

      HVAC

      Read up about sunspaces, solar closets and 100% heated houses. There are lots of examples across the US and Canada, and they can be built for very little money (even when added to an existing house!).

      You're a home owner, me too. I'm slowly adding many of the features you suggest (we have a house blog at http://modestmanor.blogspot.com/ and solving some problems you may not have to consider.

    2. Re:The more things change... by khallow · · Score: 1
      Where I live we dry clothes on a line outside, but if you need to use a dryer, perhaps just keep your clothes in a heated cupboard and toss the dryer. Heat at the bottom and turn on a fan if it gets humid at the top.

      I agree with the original poster. Heavy duty dryer and put it near enough to me that I use it.

      omeone else posted this: http://www.wiretracks.com/prod.html Much better solution.

      Again I agree with the original poster about big conduits. Plus, from what I read the Wiretracks product is intended to be used with conduits. My take is that this is more a product for flexibly connecting to a conduit outlet. There's no reason not to get both.

    3. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1
      Tankless water heater.

      And how does this work with solar heating?

      It doesn't. And I'm fine with that. Everyone I know who has done solar water heating has had enough problems with it to totally wipe out any benefit. If I want solar, it will be a PV cogen system, but electricity rates will have to go up quite a bit more to make it worth the investment.

    4. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Fair enough! What sorts of problems are these though? I know a number of people with solar DHW and they are all very pleased with it (one recently replaced his 25 year old system when the panel finally corroded through. I'm interested to know what problems you've seen.

    5. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Mostly a combination of sediment/mineral/crud build-up (probably curable with a softener), leaks, and the expense of installation compared to return.

      I posit (admitedly without proof) that you save more money over 30 years with a tankless heater than you would with solar assisted conventional tank heating (presuming the same heat source - electric or gas - for both).

      You'll buy 3 10 year warrantied tank water heaters in that time (and you will. Ask any plumber - the warranty offered on a tank water heater is exactly equal to what its *actual* lifespan *will* be), plus unknown (to me) maintenance on the solar portion.

      You'll spend 25% more to buy a tankless water heater once (it will last 30 years), then save ~30% or so on your water heating costs, minus an unknown (to me) benefit of the solar system.

    6. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Of those issues the installation/capital cost is the killer (and the reason we don't have solar hot water heating). You don't seem to have done the sums? An interesting question is 'how cheap would a complete package have to be before it makes sense?'.

      I'm working on a $300AU ($200US) retrofit system using evacuated tube collectors and off the shelf parts (and keeping the existing gas storage heater tank). So far it seems quite promising, producing about 90% of the total water heating energy we need. $300 is the differential cost between a 1 star and a 6 star (some arbitrary efficiency units provided for all domestic appliances), and my system (which isn't very much my, and very much cheap chinese evacuated tubes) saves about 8 times as much energy as the difference.

      Would you consider that? At $300, with our water heating bill, you could replace the unit every year and still save money. How much do you spend on water heating each year?

      Most of the commercial systems sold today are complete rip-offs, but a friend noted a complete 20 tube system, including a stainless tank, for $695 US. My design is only 5 tubes and thus wouldn't have enough bandwidth for a family.

    7. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Aha! Australia!

      I'm in Silicon Valley in CA. We live at about the same latitude as Melbourne (obviously North instead of South). I'm guessing that the weather here is roughly the same (I glanced at the Wikipedia page for Melbourne), though since we're in an inland valley it can get up into the 30s for a few weeks in the summer.

      If I do all the math, my best guess is that the water heating costs for us normally are about US$150/year (I'm removing the recent spike in prices caused by Katrina). We'll spend an extra US$500 for a tankless water heater fairly soon (our existing tank unit is 9 years old now), and then probably spend about $100/year on hot water. The new heater will last for 30 years. So we'll actually spend about $500 *less* over that time on water heaters, and then about $1500 less on natural gas - but that's assuming natural gas prices remain the same as they are now (not counting the Katrina spike, which is already starting to correct itself).

    8. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      "but that's assuming natural gas prices remain the same as they are now"

      And that's the big question nobody knows the answer too. I suspect they will stay pretty much the same (inflation adjusted), as there is apparently plenty of gas. I'm certianly tempted by the tankless designs, as far as getting a quote (about $1100 for a decent one).

      Where do you get your $50/pa less on natural gas figure from? Storage and instant heat systems are about the same efficiency, with storage coming out slightly ahead. Or are you comparing to your existing system?

    9. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1

      A tankless system should cost about $50/year less than the current one.

      I'm not sure what you mean by a "storage" system, unless you're refering to a standard tank water heater, and if you are then you're mistaken about the two being about the same level of efficiency - otherwise why would anyone bother? :)

    10. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Where do you get your $50 less figure from? 95% or more of the cost of DHW is heating the water from ambient. I can't see how removing the tank can change this.

      They bother because tankless heaters take up less space and never run out of hot water. Until recently tankless heaters were woefully inefficient. Now they're nearly as good as a condensing storage heater (storage is the standard term here for tanked DHW services).

    11. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1

      Removing the tank means you don't have to keep 50 gallons of hot water hot 24 hours a day. That's where the efficiency gains come from.

    12. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      I have a 130L tank. It is heated to 50C. The water comes in at 15C and needs 19MJ to fill.

      It is wrapped in R3 insulation with a surface area of 1.5m so it loses 0.5W per delta deg C. Thus it loses 17W of heat when hot. That's 13 days worth of storage equivalent to 1 heating cycle.

      So no, you're wrong, most of the energy is needed to heat the water. If I can preheat the water to just 30C (piece of cake, doesn't require any thing fancy) I save 40% of my gas bill straight away. My prototype, costing $100, heats 50L of water on a cloudy day to 80C quite comfortably which is about 70% of the energy used by the heater.

    13. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1
      Well, then shout it to the world. I'd say your first port of call is the Wikipedia page on water heaters.

      Tankless heaters can be far more efficient than storage water heaters. [With tankless heaters], the absence of a tank saves energy as conventional water heaters have to reheat the water in the tank as it cools off.

      But do any google search on tankless water heaters and they talk about saving 1/3-1/2 on your hot water heating costs by going tankless. They all disagree with you.

    14. Re:The more things change... by edwazere · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I lived in a place with a tankless sytem, it was brand new - and totally crap.

      It was probably cheap arse crap mind you, but it failed about 5 times in the 2 years I lived in that place, and it was impossible to run a bath as it would only pour out cold water from the bath taps if they were turned on more than a trickle.

      I now live in a house with a condensing boiler with a tank, it's lovely in comparison. Plus you get a lovely airing cupboard to dry clothes.

      As this house is better insulated than the last one, my heating bills seem about the same.

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    15. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Sorry, was there a mistake in my maths? Appeal to authority seems rather weak when I've given you numbers. Much better to point out where I went wrong. Of course the tankless manufacturers say their systems are more efficient. I just don't see the advantage in the numbers. The same sites seem to talk about the pilot light a lot, which is amusing because the pilot light only really wastes energy in tankless designs.

      I can't say the wikipedia entry is very compelling. It says 'can', which is a weasel word. Their point about losing lots of heat in the pipe of course applies to both technologies (but not to point of use systems), but there are two obvious points. firstly, where only hot water is useful (shower?), or you want to save water, you can use something like the envirosave:
      http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1389495.ht m

      secondly, if the pipes are inside the insulation, the heat is not really wasted as it heats the house.

      Find me some real numbers.

    16. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Tankless designs have got a lot better in the last 10 years. I do like airing cupboards, very useful in damp places (I lived in scotland for a year).

    17. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1
      Ok, how about this page at the U.S. Department of Energy?

      Long-Term Savings Tip: Consider demand or tankless water heaters. Researchers have found savings can be as much as 34% compared with a standard electric storage tank water heater.

      They're talking about electric units rather than gas ones, but heat is heat, so long as you're comparing two units that use the same source of it.

      In any event, I found this page within 2 minutes using Google. The conventional wisdom is that tankless heaters save at least 30% over tank ones. You disagree. I don't know what's wrong with your math, but if you were correct, then the rest of the universe would surely agree with you. So I say the onus is on you to prove how everyone else is wrong.

    18. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, ok. I'll look more closely. Extraordinary claims and all that. Perhaps 'standard' storage heaters don't have much insulation. Lets say we use 100L of hot water per day. That's 14MJ of heat. What insulation would we need to make the waste heat 34% of the total? 14*0.34/0.66 = 7MJ of heat waste each day through the insulation. The means 87W heat lost, over a 1.5m^2 area, or an R-value of 1.6. That's not an unreasonable insulation level (corresponding to say an inch of fibreglass), so perhaps it is plausible after all. That's also assuming a 100% efficient storage heater (reasonable - condensing units get something like 95%) and a 100% efficient tankless heater (less reasonable). A smaller tank, more water usage or more insulation would reduce this, in the limit you get a continuous flow system.

      We also haven't considered the benefit of efficiently heating the house whilst make hot water (cogeneration). If a unit is 94% efficient at heating the water, you can interpret that as 94% efficient at heating the house with the waste heat. I bet you spend more on heating than on hot water.

      When our existing sytem dies we'll probably get a condensing continuous flow system (if they make them then) with solar preheat (hey, for $300 I think you'd be mad not to). Until then I'm going to stick with our 1 star gas unit with solar preheat, perhaps wrapping a spare roof bat around the outside.

      The DOE site claims that 94% of the people who installed a solar system thought it a good investment, which runs contrary to your claim that they cause problems.

      http://www.bchydro.com/business/investigate/invest igate831.html

      Has some interesting observations. It seems that a standard US hot water service is woefully inefficient, which is perhaps where the DOE gets their 'can be as much as' from.

      Thanks for this interesting discussion - you made me check my assumptions and they were off a little.

    19. Re:The more things change... by nsayer · · Score: 1
      The DOE site claims that 94% of the people who installed a solar system thought it a good investment, which runs contrary to your claim that they cause problems.

      I admit that I have a small sample size. But at the same time, those who have solar systems have tank water heaters. If a tankless water heater saves 30% over a tank one, then for it to make sense the solar system needs to last as long, be no more expensive than the tankless premium and add a 30% efficiency gain (or some combination that adds up to the same thing). I'm dubious that it can achieve this.

      It turns out that for us, we expect tankless to be an even bigger than expected gain. It just my wife and I and I believe we're under the curve on hot water usage. We have high efficiency clothes and dish washers, and in terms of showers and the like, it's just the two of us. The less you use, the better deal the tankless units are.

      A smaller tank, more water usage or more insulation would reduce this, in the limit you get a continuous flow system.

      But in the limit, the water doesn't get to the target temperature with a tank unit. A tank unit has all day long to get the tank back up to temperature after my shower is over. That's why a tank water heater has 34 kBTU input and a tankless one has 175 kBTU.

      a 100% efficient tankless heater (less reasonable)

      The Bosch 250SX tankless heater has an energy factor of 0.82, which I believe means that 82% of the energy is used to heat the water, and 18% goes up the vent.

    20. Re:The more things change... by njh · · Score: 1

      If a tankless water heater saves 30% over a tank one, then for it to make sense the solar system needs to last as long, be no more expensive than the tankless premium and add a 30% efficiency gain (or some combination that adds up to the same thing). I'm dubious that it can achieve this.

      I can buy a solar retrofit kit right now for $1kau (and I've heard that similar things exist in the US for $600) that has a 10 year guarantee. It would cost less than 20% of the gas of a tankless system, maybe even none of the cost. If the solar part is good enough you don't need to spend much on the water heater - a 20% efficient water heater in conjunction with a 90% available solar system uses half the gas of the best fully gas systems. With modern evacuated tube collectors 90% seems like aiming low.

      Evacuated tube collectors are such good collectors that the heat output end gets warm to the touch when they are sitting in my lounge room under only incandescent light. And they are cheap. I predict that within 10 years most people in melbourne will have some kind of tube collector system.

      An interesting (though maybe old) article:
      http://www.askthebuilder.com/451_Tankless_Water_He aters_-_Some_Surprising_Facts.shtml

      I'm dubious about the method used to measure though. His claim that tanks last a lot longer than people expect runs true. My dad has had his storage hot water unit for at least 15 years now, having had two anodes installed.

      The less you use, the better deal the tankless units are.

      The less you use the easier it is to provide all the energy with solar.

      But in the limit, the water doesn't get to the target temperature with a tank unit. A tank unit has all day long to get the tank back up to temperature after my shower is over. That's why a tank water heater has 34 kBTU input and a tankless one has 175 kBTU.

      They're all fast recovery types these days, which means that they can keep up with most demand rates at higher efficiency. The main advantage to a large tank is the thermal mass, which means that you can use a higher efficiency burn, and the large size, which gives you more room to do your heat exchange.

      Btw, BTU is a measure of energy, not power.

      The Bosch 250SX tankless heater has an energy factor of 0.82, which I believe means that 82% of the energy is used to heat the water, and 18% goes up the vent.

      Sure, and I can buy an aquamax storage gas heater than costs half the price and gives me an expected efficiency of 94%, including tank losses - I just rung the company, who also sell a rebadged bosch (rebodged basch?).

      What sort of house heating are you using?

  173. Welcome to Larrywood! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My god, does the man know no shame? Nevermind, it'll make a great Party District Headquarters after the revolution.

    Viva la revolución!

  174. X10 everything... by BlueF · · Score: 1

    I'd like every electrical device in my home to be networked and controllable by multiple interfaces, lets say, voice, wall panels, computer/TV, and AI (scheduled/pre-programmed). For that matter, there are a handful of non-electrical furnishings which could benefit from my Home.net(TM), such as doors, windows, and blinds. Aside from living in a holo-deck, where every particle could be restuctured, configured, programmed at the slightest whim, having every item I iteract with in my home "smart" would be interesting. Scary, but interesting... and probably quite convenient.

  175. Selfcleaning... as far as possible by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

    There is one chore I love not, and I am not alone. That is cleaning a house. The less of a chore this is (enter stuff like Roomba, dishwasher etc) the better. I think that would be selling point no.1

    No.2. would be automatic energy conservation (lights off automatically when noone in room etc.)

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  176. my ideal house by rspress · · Score: 1

    My ldeal house would do everything as perfectly as possible. It would water the lawn only as much as it need and at a time of day that made the most of the water used.

    My house would learn my habits. It would only heat or cool the rooms I am expected to be in if that was the most energy efficient way to do it, if it were more efficient to heat or cool the whole house it would do that.

    It would let me know if the mail came or if they USPS trucks were ever equipped with GPS, it would let me know the mailman is just down the street so I should get the mail out.

    It would make sure I never missed a show I wanted to see or listen to on the radio. My media would be available anywhere, anytime, any place.

    Everything I want a house to do could be done today if it were not so expensive. So I guess the biggest thing I would want my house to do is to do it cheaply!

  177. How about a self cleaning bathroom? by The+New+Stan+Price · · Score: 1

    How about a shower "pod" that cleans itself and a toilet that cleans itself. I don't mind sweeping and mopping, or even vacuuming, but I detest cleaning bathrooms!

  178. So many options.. by Kitt3n · · Score: 1

    There are so many possibilities to have a perfect, electronic house. Just look at the opening of Back To The Future. How many things did Doc have hooked to the morning alarm? Granted they were simplistic and quite basic looking, but they each did a job. The only thing that scares me is those Sci-Fi movies about the house short-circuting and going nuts. Some things would be nice amenities to have, as long as they weren't all hooked to a central "brain" computer. Good morning Dave.

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  179. Even with point-source it may be a good idea by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I think a similar loopback system even with a more local point-source might be a good idea, it eliminates lag time in getting water heated and you could then also get a very small amount of heated water from the facuets in the bathroom since the recirulation could always have a high enough flow rate to activate the system.

    I have to say that I hate low-flow heads though. I always feel like I have to take twice the shower I would otherwise to properly rinse so I don't think they really save much water and just frustrate you while bathing.

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  180. Home Efficiency is key by pr0t0 · · Score: 1

    I'm a huge gadget freak, but the most important thing to me in considering is a home is efficiency...in all areas. A friend told me about a home a couple of guys built with off-the-shelf technology. The total utility costs for HVAC, electricity, and water was about $40/month. I can't find the link, but THAT's a home worth having.

    I'd like to see builders focus on new construction methods like precast insulated concrete sandwich, or thermal mass walls; using tankless water heaters used in conjunction with geothermal; and radiant-heating floor systems.

    For you guys, solar lighting and LED lighting are things that I would love to see in a new build.

    Oh, in-wall fiber or cat-6 running to a head-end closet too. :-)

    Hey, you guys are in my backyard! Maybe I'll look you up if I do a new build. Grandview rules, but the property taxes suck!

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  181. How smart does your bed have to be ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    .... before you are afraid to go to sleep at night?
    What if your smart house remembered important dates like birthdays and sent cards and balloons, baked special cakes and chilled the champagne on the right days? Would you feel good if you received a card generated by your lover's house? If your otherwise always forgetful lover started remembering your birthday would you become suspicious? Would it be possible that you would break up with your lover based on the forgetting or the remembering to program their smart house to send a birthday card?
    If it turned out that you would get 25% discount on the price of your home if instead of paintings, you had to place advertisements on the wall, would you do it? How about if the advertisements were controlled by your smart house and changed depending on what you were doing during the day? In what ways do you consider a T.V. to be different from a painting? What if you could get 75% discount? If your house had the license to make McDonald hamburgers how many times a week would you have them?
    Can a house built with modern computer technology still be expected to work ten years from now? Do you currently have any ten-year-old computers in your house? Do you expect your children to live in your house? Your children's children? Your children's children's children? Will your smart house still be smart then?
    Unfortunately I'm not clever enough to come up with stuff like this, fortunately others are and the full text is available online: http://www.aec.at/en/archives/festival_archive/fes tival_catalogs/festival_artikel.asp?iProjectID=868 9 Best essay on 'intelligent houses' I know.
  182. Dilbert Ultimate Home by kbahey · · Score: 1

    This is not for everyone, but the Dilbert Ultimate House has some good ideas in some areas that apply for non-geeks.

    1. Re:Dilbert Ultimate Home by phaggood · · Score: 1

      Just saw Master Miyazaki's latest; Extropolating into the next 50-100yrs, with advances in AI and robo-locomotion (including the recent ./ on the transforming robot), this fancifal dwelling (minus the smoke spewing chimneys all about) dips into the possible. Yeah, I want a moving castle.

    2. Re:Dilbert Ultimate Home by Dan+B. · · Score: 1

      Apart from the whacky oval layout, the Dilbert Ultimate Home is one on the most well integrated pieces of (virtual) real estate I have ever seen.

      When it comes time for me to build a house, there will be a lot of ideas taken from that website!

      --
      Dan. -- So what if it's spelt wrong, nobody's perfect
  183. ED-209 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unlimited budget? Robot security guards, armed with machine guns, rockets, and flamethrowers. I think 4 ED-209 (the big one from robocop) units should handle it.

  184. MY ideal home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    My dad was a residential contractor for a long time while I was growing up (he later moved into the commercial market), so I've gotten to see some very nifty features that I'd want to consider. Wiring my own small townhouse with ethernet and audio cables over the last year has also given me a list of things I'd appreciate.
    • Easily accesible conduits for adding/replacing wiring. Gigabit ethernet might sound fine now, but it could quickly become outdated as the amount of data I would want to stream over my home network increases.
    • A dedicated, sound-proofed home theater room. Yes, I want access to my media throughout the house, but I only want one room that's dominated by a large, high-quality display. This lets me keep the living room and den designed around more relaxing activities like reading and conversations. The theater room would also allow easy, but hidden, access to all of the theater components.
    • A room for storing the electronic gear necessary for supporting the home's technology infrastructure. Basically, a small server room where I can do any tinkering necessary without having to drag a box into the living room.
    • NTP-enabled appliances. Half of the appliances in my house have a clock built in to them, it'd be nice if I didn't have to reset them all after a power outage and twice a year for Daylight Saving Time.
    • Alternative power sources. I'm not opposed to living on the grid, but I'd like to be producing some of my own power and store that in case of a power outage. A battery reserve capable of keeping the house minimally powered (lights, heating, cooling) for at least 48 hours would be nice.
    • Simple full home audio distribution. Something along the lines of SlimServer and some Squeeze Boxes would do. This gives easy access to my music library both with and without a PC and can easily be expanded to new rooms.
    • A video and photo distribution system similar to the SlimServer + Squeeze Box solution. Obviously, high-resolution video should be supported.
    • Concealed storage. I have a lot of junk that I'd like to keep hidden away but easily accessible. My current solution is several shelving units with a mixture of transparent and opaque doors, which works nicely but I'd like it to be better integrated into the home's layout.
    • Smart appliances that all conform to a set of publically available standard communication protocols.
    • A spacious kitchen with more surface space than I could ever hope to use and two large, deep sinks.
    • An eleveator, with a concealed door, for moving furniture between floors. It also wouldn't hurt to have if anyone in my family became disabled.
    • A room jutting out from the house with full height windows on all sides and a large sky light for enjoying rain and storms. Yeah, I like that kinda thing.
    • An remotely accessible server that allowed access to the media library, control/querying of various appliances, and access to the security system.
    • Laundry chutes in all of the bed and bathrooms.
    • A lot of things that I'm probably forgetting...

  185. Sensors by diosmio · · Score: 1

    I like the idea of developing sensors that monitor small things like when an appliance has been turned on or off, or when a room is entered/exited. Lots sensors with simple states. These sensors would regularly broadcast their data to a central home server where the data would be stored. From this data the system might be able to deduce patterns that could be useful in forming a pattern of behavior which matches particular occupants or the collective group of occupants. The system gets to "know" its occupants based on innocuous things like current drain at particular outlet locations, or based on the length of time between a room entered/exited event. Assuming that trends exist, what could be done with this data? Well maybe for starters it could alert residents on vacation that someone other than the normal occupants are likely to be in the house. Or maybe it could notify a family member of an elderly resident that they are not as active as normal, and it may be worth checking in on them. The key I think is that the sensors are farily low-profile and easy to install, like a standard wall outlet that replaces existing wall outlets.

  186. What I'd like by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

    Heated floors, via hot water pipes. If we've got the boiler, anyway, maybe a hot tub. Is it possible to heat waterbeds from the same boiler?

    Solar wherever it's feasible. The roof could be either photovoltaics, or a mirror and black pipe water heating system (should be a natural match to the heated floors). If the mirrored concave dishes that capture sunlight into fiber optics (there was a Slashdot article on them a few months ago) are ready yet, put one or two next to the house, where they won't interfere with what's on the roof. Big windows and/or sliding glass doors on the south side, into rooms with black carpet.

    Good soundproofing and good insulation.

    Floors that are attached by screws, so they don't squeak.

    Lots of conduit, as long as it doesn't interfere with the soundproofing.

    Kitchen: Butcher block island. Fairly low ceiling with an exposed beam style, so that pots and pans can be hung from the beams. Dishwasher and double sink. Long counters with plenty of outlets and lighting under the cabinets, for things like bread makers, deep fryers, mixers, etc. Walk-in pantry. Filtered water hot enough to make tea, on-tap (my in-laws have this -- I think there's an electric pass-through heater under the sink).

    A theater room: hardwood floors and no windows. Don't build the TV and stereo in, but leave room for a big TV and various speakers, with plenty of power. Built-in bookshelves on the sides and back of the room would be nice.

    A bathtub with walls on both sides that you enter from the end opposite the shower. I saw one of those on Queer Eye, and the comment that it would be good for sex was dead-on. Decent sized-ledges in the shower for shampoo, razor, etc.

    Misc: trees, courtyard, ceiling fans in most rooms and all bedrooms, attic fan (can you make something like that leading out of the kitchen?), built-in shelving wherever feasible, somewhere to exercise with fans and music, bathrooms off every bedroom, a half-bath somewhere near the entrance, brick exterior, something that doesn't burn well for the main structure (concrete or cinder-block?), a small workshop suitable to both woodworking and computer work.

  187. Two words: by snowwrestler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Self cleaning.

    I don't really care about details of how it's accomplished. Nano-treated surfaces and micro-robots? Sweet, whatever. Just so long as I never have to clean the tub or mop the kitchen by hand again.

    --
    Build a man a fire, he's warm for one night. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
    1. Re:Two words: by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      'Clean' = 'sterile' = 'death'

      I mean, when something is 'clean' in the way humans usually mean it, they mean a sterile lifeless environment.

      I would prefer, instead, an all-natural environment in which there are appropriate symbiotic 'cleaners' that nothing is ever perceived as 'dirty.' That means there would be a natural lake to swim and stay clean in, and that the entire house, as far as possible, would be filled with living things. Clean air from all the plants. The sorts of insects around that there wouldn't be any 'pests' because 'pests' indicate an imbalance.

      It's really time for a realignment, and for people to stop thinking of the 'death' kind of 'clean' as being the only kind, and the ideal kind of clean.

    2. Re:Two words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, my cat just threw up on the floor. If you love your all-natural environment so much, you can come over and clean it up. Me, I'd much rather have floors that cleaned up cat sick themselves.

    3. Re:Two words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For way less then you will pay for robots and such just hire a someone to come clean the house every other week (once a week if you are a slob). I pay $60 every other week and my wife hasn't scrubbed a toilet in a year. (Best money I ever spent if you know what I mean.)

    4. Re:Two words: by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Get a dog. Dogs are great 'automatic cat vomit cleaners' if properly trained.

      You can even use dogs to clean litter boxes, as long as you get a breed of dog that doesn't belch excessively.

    5. Re:Two words: by khallow · · Score: 1
      It's really time for a realignment, and for people to stop thinking of the 'death' kind of 'clean' as being the only kind, and the ideal kind of clean.

      Electronic equipment really belongs in the sterile/death environment. Frankly, I can appreciate both kinds of environments, that you mention, and would probably have both in my ideal house. If done well, you can put a spartan elegance to sterile/death that makes it quite attractive.

  188. Invisible technology by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    It should be invisible. You should never really know it is there.
    The house should be almost like a living thing. It should know what the weather is like and adapt.
    The real trick is for it to as Apple says "just work". No fiddling with setting. It should make your life simpler and happyier not more hectic.

    My dream home would include a large shop or barn. Rooms that open to the outdoors. Lots of windows with views of forested mountains. But that is just me.

    --
    See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
  189. Integrated home paradise by Swisssushi · · Score: 1

    I would have my home set up so that I could access any media from any room in the house. The place would be full of flat panel screens that could be used for viewing videos, movies, or art. I would have ceiling mounted screens or projection systems so that the ceilings of my rooms could display sunny skies on rainy days, star fields, or alien sunsets. I would have a security system that could recognize people and animals that should be there by biometrics or movement. I would also have a kitchen that was wired for easy retrieval of my recipes as well as one that could help me start meals before I was home. Lastly, I would ensure that I could access all of my home settings and data remotely via wireless device.

    --
    Swisssushi - When the going gets tough, get some tenderizer
  190. tents by owingswd · · Score: 1

    My ideal furture home would be a tent I could carry on my back, with complete air temp control, that kept itself and me clean, (included a self-cleaning toilet and shower), and that took water out of the air or reused the water I drank, with small, powerful computer with lifetime satellite access to broadband internet, output through high resolution glasses, and maybe a bicycle to go wherever I wanted. Who needs a house, then?

  191. Home hi-tech gets obsolete fast by ribuck · · Score: 1
    My house was totally wired up by the previous owner. Every room had full controls for up to four programmes. You could make the entertainment follow you as you moved through the house.

    The only problem is that the house was built and wired up in 1947, and the programmes are audio programmes. I'm sure it never occurred to them that a house would ever need more than one telephone point, or more than one video screen, or that home computers would come into existence, or that automated appliances would come into existence...

  192. My Perfect Home by venuspcs · · Score: 1

    My perfect home would be the most technologically advanced home on Earth. I would start with:

    1.) A 60" HDTV in every room,
    2.) PC Based Digital Video Recorder / Gaming Station hooked to every TV.
    3.) I would have a smart fridge, stove, oven, microwave, bathroom(s), lighting, locks, alarms, HVAC Controls, etc.
    4.) Every floor in the house would be pressure sensitive to within 3 pounds and would be able to distinguish each person from another.
    5.) The outside of the house would be completely surrounded by an intelligent security system capable of recognizing AUTHORIZED PEOPLE based on Height, Weight, Facial Features and Voice.
    6.) I would have floor bots that automatically vacuum carpeted floors and others to automatically mop and wax tile, linolium or hardwood floors.
    7.) I would have a more life sized robot capable of communicating wirelessly with all kitchen appliances. It would store a meal plan and be able to prepare meals automatically based on either a preset time, a phone call telling it to start dinner or the family's arrival at home.
    8.) The house would be equipped with an intelligent defense system that would include hidden storm/intrusion shutters, automatic notification to authorities, redundant power back up using a sub-terranian power generator with at least a month's supply of fuel and sub-terranian redundant phone/cable/internet connections.
    9.) The ability to hydralically lower the entire home into a sub-terranian shelter capable of with standing a direct nuclear impact. The sub-terranian shelter would be equipped with ample food, water and power generation for pro-longed sustainability. It would also be equipped with Intelligent Artificial Lighting.
    10.) It would be equipped with Intelligent Artificial Lighting capable of mimicing Sunlight during part of the day and a moonlight, star filled sky part of the day.

    Now for a walk thru and more detailed explanation. Assume I have a family of 5, Myself, a wife, two kids and a dog.

    The morning comes my wife and I get out of bed. As we get each get out of bed the house asks if we are ready for our morning bath. We say yes! The bath/shower is started to our own individual preference. While taking a our shower/bath the kids are woken and their baths/showers are started automatically and the dog is let out for his morning potty and romp around the yard. While we are in the showers, the house brings our pre-selected outfit for that day to the bathroom we are in, automatically defogs the bathroom mirror and opens the intelligent medicine cabinet with the shaving items, deoderant, perfume, etc we normally use in the morning in the front. Once all of us are dressed and ready for the day we go down stairs, just as our pre-selected morning meal is being set on the table. While we are eating the house reminds us of our agenda, schedule for the day and tells us where our keys, purse, school books, etc are so we dont forget anything.

    Once we all leave the house in the morning, the dog is let back in, the closes all the medicine cabinets (after robots put everything back in place), then the house cleans itself (bathrooms and kitchen included) so that when we get home everything is perfect. The house then goes into a standby mode where the lights are all adjusted, doors and windows are locked and temperature adjusted. The house monitors for intruders and for our return home using the external surveillance system.

    Now at 3:15 PM the house observes two kids getting off the school bus, after a quick analysis it determines that they belong and automatically unlocks the front door, adjusts the lighting to their preferences, and welcomes them home. It then feeds them a pre-selected snack and monitors them to ensure they are doing there homework which was sent over from the school earlier in the day. Once they complete their homework it is placed in a scanner and checked by the house. If it is satisfactory the house then turns on the tv/radio/computers/gaming systems to their preset choice and allows them to entertain th

  193. No Thanks I like My Way. by PenGun · · Score: 1

    I'll keep my 5th wheel in the bush thanks. I can see no other humans and very little evidence that they exist.

      Idylic really, and very low overhead. So I don't have to make more than about $500 a month to live quite well. Now I can make a lot more if I apply myself so it's really how I feel about what I need that drives my non-amusement effort. I don't like to spend more than about 45 min a day on non amusement things so I stay pretty poor most of the time, it suits me. My amusement mostly involves hacking computers so I don't need much.

      Oh yeah, my Opty 165 box with all da fixings does give me pretty well everything I need. DSL helps and I will prolly sell my satellite dish and card setup as 800+ channels of free TV leaves me pretty well cold.

      I'm 60 this year, can just curl a 45# dumbell and I have several girlfriends. The best revenge is to live well.

          PenGun
        Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !

  194. Flexibility and ease of upgrading by wired_parrot · · Score: 1

    Flexibility would be key for me. All electronics would need to be easily accessible for easy upgrading. And I include all of the wiring in this. The problem with most integrated home designs incorporating substantial electronics that I've seen is that upgrading the electronics becomes extremely costly. And over the 20+ years one might own that house, what might seem as cutting edge during the purchase will not only be outdated but completely obsolete. So like a typical geek I'd like to continuously upgrade the electronics, and I don't want to have to tear down a dry wall to have to access the wiring.

  195. Confused. by End11 · · Score: 1

    Hidden video screens?

    Doesn't that defeat the purpose of video screens?

    --

    Which is worse: ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares?
  196. Ideal? Futuristic? by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    It would fly.
    And not be limited to this planet.

  197. Replaceable Neighbours by coofercat · · Score: 1
    Personally, I'm planning a boat (probably a 60+ foot traditional style widebeam European barge). That'll give me a couple of bedrooms, a bathroom and a study. Since it's a boat, you have to worry about things like water, gas, diesel, electricity supply, 12v supply, battery health, mains inverters and any number of other things.

    I'm thinking a small computer (like a Via based something) should be keeping an eye on all of that lot, via a whole mish-mash of flow meters, volt meters, power meters, and who knows what else. Obviously, every light switch needs to be relay based so that "ship's computer" can control them at will. Obviously, all this is going to need a touch screen to report what the hell's going on with everything. It might be "important" to know that I've been using 10 litres of water for every kw/h of mains power or something ;-)

    Audio-wise, I've got a couple of Squeeze Boxes, which work nicely from 12V. Of course they'll need some sort of amp, so probably something designed for a car would do well. Seeing as power consumption is an issue, the squeeze box will have to switch the amp on and off too.

    Video wise, I'm not a big TV/movie watcher, so I figure that "ship's computer" just needs to be a file server so that I can plumb in some sort of diskless media machine later on. I'll have to flood-wire (pardon the nautical pun) cat5 or something for all that to work nicely.

    Since most marinas have Wifi access, and since there are bound to be a few open access points along rivers, I figure the boat needs it's own access point, plus a 'roving' connection snooping out all those other Wifi APs. It'll need a 'preference list' so that it tunes into the right AP when there's a choice (and doesn't tune into the boat's local AP!).

    Obviously, I'll have to spend months writing suitable software so that if the pontoon mains power fails (because I haven't paid the bills, or just because...) that the computer turns off lights, mains, and ultimately the domestic 12V so that it doesn't screw the batteries. I'll have to think about some sort of 'critical supply' for the computer and the fridge too.

    Similarly, I suspect I'll tinker with the touch-screen UI for far too long too. I haven't really got much idea how it'll all work, but it'll be fun finding out.

    I was also thinking along the lines of a couple of cameras. With all this automation, it seems that it's almost obligatory to have a way of seeing who's at the door long before getting off the sofa.

    It'd be really cool to have some photovoltaics on the roof too. Not sure about the practicalities of that, given that the roof is a walking surface. Maybe a little windmill somewhere too, just for completeness ;-)

    There's got to be some fun involved too. There needs to be a 'Barry White Button' somewhere that dims a load of lights, switches on the Squeeze Box (and amp), selects a suitable volume and plays some Barry White.

    Okay, back to reality: I'm just about making the rent at the moment, so the prospect of buying such a boat and then doing all the work on it is quite a few years away. Everyone should go buy something from my company so I can get it all underway.

  198. Gotham by dolmen.fr · · Score: 1

    We know for what you need this house, Bruce...

  199. Technology is an Addiction by brainbuz · · Score: 1

    Cell phones, bleepers (passe now), Wireless Everywhere. Always in touch. Frantic, frantic, frantic, but we can't give it up.
          Half of me says my ideal house doesn't have a thing in it that was invented after, say August 6, 1945 -- an arbitrary day, the day Hiroshima ceased to exist and the Atomic Age began. Maybe a Butler, Maid and Chauffeur. I'd tear down several houses from a city block for my Mansion. The only high tech thing I would install would be signal interference so cell phones and wireless wouldn't work. Rotary phones and no microwave (if you like cooking a good pre-war stove is much better than anything made today short of the very high end).
          The more practical half of me wants a unique and large space with private courtyards (just like the other place) hidden in the midst of a city. But with technology discreetly all over the place. With robotic servants. If computers must be ubiquitous in my life (I'm severely addicted) let them hide in the furniture. Let all the multimedia be centrally integrated. If I'm listening to music let it follow me around the house. I'd like the lights to turn themselves out when no-one is in the room (but more sophisticated than simple motion sensors that think no one is in the room when you're sitting still).

    --
    minds, get scrambled like eggs, abused and erased. Hard Hearted Alice is who you want to see.
  200. Put the home on a bus by EMIce · · Score: 1

    A data bus that is. All electronic devices should plug into the home's "net" as easily as they jack into power, through a unified connector, or through the power line itself. A gateway appliance could allow permitted components within the home's net talk over the internet, but the home net wouldn't have to be super fast, just reliable.

    I know similar ideas exist, like X10, but X10 is not very sophisticated. The whole business of getting compatible appliances to talk to each other automatically is also a sticky mess as I've seen it laid out, even if they understand XML and can exchange metadata. For example, how does the TiVo know if the cable box it is talking to is the one it is sitting under, and not the one upstairs? I suppose you could list all the cable boxes present at the home in the TiVo menu, but there are a couple problems with this. Not every device that will use the home net will have a screen, and those that do will present different interfaces for each user to figure out.

    One solution would be to have a handheld device that "marries" one device to another. Light switch over here, meet light fixture from over there. This would also add some security to the system, and could avoid excess broadcasts from relying soley on a discovery protocol. An XML based discovery protocol could be optional, with a simplified but limited binary protocol for "dumb" devices like switches and fixtures. Ideally, devices should be required to talk first to the handheld before being recognized on the network.

    Now most people will likely question the utility of such a setup, brushing it aside as an unneeded complexity, but it can make things easier through little usability enhancements that come with information sharing.

    Examples -
    -a home phone can show missed calls or who left messages, to your computer or cell phone
    -climate control systems can adjust output based on occupancy, by adjusting the thermostat directly
    -without wiring a sensor back to the original zone controller
    -your A/V components can recognize each other
    -auto-select inputs on the TV and receiver if you play a DVD
    -output the right resolution and format
    -DVR + cable box can work together to schedule recordings
    -flash the lights if the phone rings and the radio is cranked
    -page your phone when the wash is done, same for the oven timer
    -start your coffee maker from bed, be notified when it is done

    It seems every major appliance is going to have at least a microcontoller in it in the long term, so we might as well provide a generic way to interface to those appliances so they can be controlled and provide status information. The infrastructure for a device to integrate information from different devices and then to use that intelligence to programatically control itself and others, should ultimately reduce the effort we ourselves put into programmatic tasks (like changing a/v inputs) and allow forms of control that are now impractical because they require expensive custom infrastructure. Integration between devices will also mean better usability and better decision making, as in the case of a heating system that updates the thermostat to a lower temperature setting rather than cutting power to the valve for an unnoccupied zone. It is only a matter of time.

    But to build such a system is a bit of a chicken and the egg problem. You aren't going to get a good selection of products that use this until there is a market for it, and vice versa. The commercial rewards are a long shot at present, since there are no standards.

    Maybe someone with EE experience could create an open source platform for this, one that works over power lines for simplicity's sake. First off create reference schematics for simple X10 like outlets, switches, and lighting controllers, while adding the metadata these devices use to identify

  201. Don't bother wiring your house... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    If the walls are down, do what I did, run a 2" conduit into every room so that when you decide you want to change the wiring, you just pull it through the pipe.

  202. Energy management/home tending by mfarver · · Score: 1

    I think that at its core a lot of home automation/integration is mostly a toy. Sure I can turn off the bedroom lights from any wall switch or remote in the house, but why would I? Yeah its neat to have preprogramming "Romantic" lighting scenes, but only the largest homes have more than one or two lights per room.

    Instead focus on how the home can work for its occupants. Energy management is a good area. Zoned heating systems or variable drive heat/cool are still pretty rare, instead we have fancy programmable thermostats running 1930's on off control technologies. Temp and occupancy sensors in each room can manage climate loads, directing energy to where you need it, and anticipating where it will be needed next. Instead of a user setting a thermostat to a numerical temp they are give a simple thumbs up/down style too cool/too hot. The climate system can then goal seek over time. Many people's comfort temp changes with time of day, and the season and other factors like humidity and sun exposure.

    A security system is a good choice for making the hub, it knows who's home and when they are likely to return. Keypads are the standard here, but maybe something simple like a row of keylocks. When you arrive home you put your key into your lock (one for each member of the family), and the system makes choices based on that (plus you can't lose keys). A simple button interface for "I"ll return in: 1,2,3,4,8 hours" will help the system choose how much to setback the thermostat.

    I'd like to see my DVR work a little more for me.. a TV in the shower/mirror could run the last 30 minutes of Headline news, or compile other interesting data. (Adverts for todays tv programs with a simple. "Oh record that.." interface, Sport highlights, tech news read by supermodels... whatever.) In the morning all that bathroom time is wide open for productivity enhancements. Definately a hollywood toy... but it would make me "feel" more productive.

    The kitchen is another place.. nobody has really hit the sweet spot on a kitchen management system. All it would need to be is a receipe file on acid.... It offers suggestions on things I might like to eat, makes shopping lists, and entertains me while I cook. Maybe scafing data from my DVR. (If I see something on a cooking show that seems good I'd like to zap the receipe and the show straight to my kitchen.) Ingredents tracking would be nice but barcode integration is too labor intensive.. I think RFID might break that barrier.

    Maybe a way to sell home managment services.. a central panel that will offer to send over a handyman to change my furnace filters, offer convienient access to a maid service.... hotel for guests. If the manufacturer/seller doesn't get too greedy this might be really helpful.

    Just some ideas..but the gist is, technology is often rigid, and seldom makes life easier... the occupants need to come first. Remember how few "labor saving" devices have actually saved us. We used to beat carpets once or twice a year.. now we are expected to vacuum weekly.

    Mark

  203. cleanability by casehardened · · Score: 1

    Forget the rest of the house for a moment. What I want is a bathroom made entirely of seamless, stainless steel. With steam jets, a floor drain, and an airlock-style door. Need to clean the tub? Close the door, and press the giant red _autoclave_ button.

  204. advert costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just really want to know how much a nice ad like this costs on slashdot?
      Really, I have a small business that would like this kind of direct exposure without having it look like an ad.

  205. My future home will be futuristic. by ghostaliaz · · Score: 1

    I am a person that would if I could & plan in the future to have a futuristic home with no keys to it because it will be front door retina scans & or other biometric scans like thumb print and maybe palm or maybe dna(saliva) Yeh I know crazy hunh? but it would be a very fun house to me. I want a computer in every room, surround sound in everyroom, cameras all around the outside of the home, Laser heat seaking body heat motion sensors. Robotic cleaners, the famous mirror that has the internet and tv inside of the bathroom mirror, a toilet that can check your sugar, temperture, vitals, also if you have been eating right like the doctor told you to and so on or use a mat for that and the toilet would test your urine for other things like blood and stuff and then email the results to your doctor everyday. If my plumbing catches a leak it will call or email my plumber, My front door would have video voice mail recording for people that stop by and when I am not there, then the system will record why or when they stopped by and there face and a video message saying what ever they want & there face will be mapped & scanned & put in the home facial recognition database at that very moment ,so the next time the home would greet the visitor by name & would put there face & info in the database & on my friends list. I want to be off of the grid as far as paying the electric ripoff company anything, so I want to have the most state of the art solar system with rechargable batteries, heated copper piped heated floors solar shingles on the roof along side the new wind power technolgy spinning on the roof. An electric car not a hybrid where we still have to pay these already ripping us off government anything, All I would have to do is plug in my car everyday, thats it or use a compressed air vehicle with a pressed air fill-up machine in my garage. I want everyone in the house to wear a smart button either inside of there watch,glasses or pendent or what ever because it would be kinda cool, just say your children got away from you & you have a pool in the yard & as they were going out of the back door the house would let out a audible warning that little cindy is going out of the back door & her heat signatures shows she is headed towards the pool and then the house voice says someone come & get little cindy and then let's out aloud signal of some kind and that would help on little children falling in pools when there parents sometimes taking there eyes off of them for that 1 second, but there is never anything better then a body watching there own children I know that, but this would be just a safety tool, also the smart buttons would have gps and locating elements inside of them also , so you also can not only see where every person was on a local in room termial if you have that administrators privliges by being the adult of the house, but also be able to talk to them and see them using the in room video cameras, but the video cams could also be turned off by any adult that matched the dna signature for privacy. I would like to have a voice that greets me when I enter my house and say like high neo, How was your day? then I say My day was fine, How has your day been hal(the computer) he or she says fine,nothing major. I have 3 video & voice door messages & 30 emails & 9 voicemail messages for you, Would you like me to play them for you? And I would say yes hal, play them for me. Also other things like automated walls & tiles on the floor that changed as I walked on them, hidden secure safe room, flat screens everywhere in everyroom even in the bathroom and kitchen and I am not talking about small screens I am talking about smart wrap 42 to 100 inch touchscreens. The future is hours, screw the old politicians & outdated tech companies not to mention boreing nasa with no imaginations. Let's live life & not let life stay in one spot & time. etc I have so many ideas for a future home that I can taste it. I do not and never want to live in tha

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  206. As an Engineer, I'd like ... by JumpingBull · · Score: 1

    One design paradigm.

    Rather then a hodge-podge of radically different systems, I'd like to see a minimum of functional modules that could be:

    • reused
    • recycled
    • repaired and
    • re-purposed.

    All systems Electromagnetic interference hardened.

    Systems to have local distributed UPS functionality.

    Low bandwidth X-10(tm) style environmental control for:

    • lighting
    • heating
    • security and
    • appliances.

    Failover to a manual default on loss of function and communication.

    Smart Human Interface Devices that identify which room they are in, and configure to that rooms functionality.
    Lightweight bandwidth requirements, power line operation, and easy to navigate and use.
    (say while injured, or functionally impaired when sick, suffering allergy attacks, or less then sober).
    Failover protection to a safe state on malfunction.

    Data taps for high bandwidth requirements: computer, video, audio communication feeds.

    Redundant router/switches with failover behavior.
    Modular construction.

    User transparent so that it looks/acts like current power and telco technologies so user doesn't need a major paradigm shift to use it.

    Learning system behavior with constant predictor/corrector behavior.

    Ideal integrated home acts transparently.
    Replication of design elements for economy of scale and low cost.
    Very little that makes it stand out.
    Whole-house audio? Hidden video screens? Expandable at will.
    Automatic locks? ok
    Is the technology ready for prime time? No.
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    This is progress?
  207. Just one room by chx1975 · · Score: 1

    Which is sunlit whenever the sun is up and yet my computer monitor do not reflect sunlight, ever. I do not know whether it's even possible. But I would _love_ it.

  208. Smart house for a lazy person by el+cisne · · Score: 1
    A few things right off....
    • self cleaning, everything, everywhere indoors, windows outdoors
    • food storage areas would know when out of certain specified things and order more which would be delivered by automatic robot vans and brought in the house and stored automatically, from behind the cabinets, ice boxes, etc;
    • cold storage in more than one room, built in;
    • better tuning of room environments, different rooms might be a little/warmer or cooler
    • energy efficient, solar, etc where possible, to the degree possible
    • windows that you can manually or automatically darken or lighten
    • of course automated sprinkler watering fertilizing weeding mowing
    • big phat internet pipes
    • big flat screen hdtvs various sizes multiple rooms
    • built in phone system such that only alerts me to a call if someone i care to talk to, or will tell me who it gave the brush off to, etc
    • voice interactive throughout
    • i want coffee dammit automatically in the morning and i don't want to have to prep it the night before, and i want it in a cup ready to go
    • mail is automatically opened scanned trashed shredded read parsed digitized stored acted on
    • lots of space
    • garage opens automatically when cars approach and closes door
    • garage is less like a barn than a nice sort of indoor place to park you car
    • environment is maintained in garage
    • garage is wireless communicate with car for mainenance scheduling
    • cars are automatically updated with music programs hdtv etc
    • automatic and i mean automatic dish washer it will take everything off the basket tub or whatever, sort it out put in some machine, set the temp etc then when done will route them all back to the right places from behind so i don't even have to put them up
    • heated deicing walkways auto or manual
    • soundproofing
    • insulated like a MF
    • air is filtered filtered filtered and humdity is controlled
    • can auto or manual use recycle air or use outside air to refresh or some mix
    • air quality monitored, allergens, oxygen content, adjusted
    • self cleaning filling disposing litter box or catbox area
    • i wanna go up to the front door and say open the pod bay door please hal and the house will get it as a joke and open the door (not make me come in through the chimney)
    • videophone everyroom multiple locations where convenient
    • the house knows where everything is; i can ask where is that wrapping paper from last year or where are those little shelf holders we put in a jar and it can tell me
    • house can start shower or bath dispense bath oil etc add heat to the bathroom in cold season when drying off
    • when i get these i'll think of more....
  209. Re:Ditto + whole-house plant water system by shpoffo · · Score: 1

    Yea, this is close to my pre-empted post - though I would want low-pro 'plumbing' throughout the house to run to plants. Each water port should have its flow individually controlled. A wiring system should be able to receive data from a moisture sensor in each pot, to adaptvely water plants per their need.

    Kind of like what I'm tinking together slowly - but I'd buy it from someone =)

    .
    -shpoffo

  210. Invisible but functional by snStarter · · Score: 1

    Invisible technology is the best and simple and function is crutial to that. What does that mean?

    I'd like to be able to call on a phone and using voice commands have the porch lights on, the house warmed up. I'd like electronic door locks so I can easily set the combination so I can let friends enter in advance. I'd like to play music stored on my computer anywhere in the house. I'd like to watch video stored on my computers on any television in the house. I'd like to have a single remote control that doesn't require a millions steps so a casual visitor can understand how to use it in moments - a non-techie visitor, say someone in their 70s. I'd like to be able to control most of this from my laptop over the internet using a trivial human interface. I'd like to use small distributed controllers to do this that don't have a lot of smarts but enough to work well on their own so the household system can sleep and not use a lot of energy. Obviously all computer connections are wireless except for those serving high-speed video/internet which uses fiber.

    Most of this would be most useful in our vacation home where I'd like to monitor inside and outside temperatures, maybe a bit of video but not continuous.

    Failure modes should fail SAFE and should tell me if there's a problem either over the net or via a telephone call.

    I don't want automated appliances. I do want SIMPLICITY.

  211. Paid For by harmanjd · · Score: 1

    My ideal home would be one that was paid off.

  212. or Disposability by m0llusk · · Score: 1

    If something as complex and integrated as a home which currently needs lots of on site assembly could be made so cheap to produce and efficient to reprocess that they could be set up, redone, or got rid of at will then that would be cool. It might also help with the sustainability thing as long as the process doesn't take too much energy.

  213. yet another opinion by fifedrum · · Score: 1

    every switch, every bulb, every fixture on a custom circuit that can be bound together in interesting and usefull ways

    each room has a distinct sound system with connection to the media center for mp3/radio as well as telephony and internet through a touch screen that includes reprograming as well as TV and controls for the media center

    touch screen flat panel in the kitchen for recipies and all that

    voice activate the whole thing with access to any circuit from any room, "computer, turn on the lights in the basement and the garage" spoken from the car or the family room, for example. Or, "computer, dial ma fifedrum at 4pm on July 2nd if we're home" or "computer, call 911" or "computer, find Sarah Connor."

    stuff like that

  214. zardo by kennygraham · · Score: 1

    It's zar DOE, no mister, accent on the DOE.

  215. LEGO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish there was a equivilent to LEGO for building a home... when you get bored of a room, you just take it apart, or say you now have 3 kids instead of two, you could create a third kids room, or carve out a third room from other areas of the house.

    Though my main thing is moving outlets and light switches. Gawd damn how I hate every place I ever lived that I wind up losing half the outlets to book cases.

  216. Voice Command Control by DaveJ45 · · Score: 1

    In addition to all of the 'normal' options, ie, streaming media and a functional computer access in every room, home theater, blah, blah, blah, for many years I have had this idea in my mind of a home that is fully automated and keyed to voice command.

    Want to make a phone call, run a bath, make coffee, look up information on the internet, purchase theater tickets? Simply speak your access keyword, and full command of any and all options are available upon request in an interactive voice format that parses normal conversational requests.

    Conceptually the keyword would be patterned along the pseudo name of your automated valet. Mine was always going to be "McTavish".

    Not quite Star Trek, but undoubtedly still beyond the scope of today's technology, even with unlimited funds.

    But who knows? Maybe someday soon we'll see this as a Sourceforge project in the works!

    DaveJ45

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    Differences between how you act when some one is watching, and how you act when no one is watching, define who you are
  217. What I want... by jonwil · · Score: 1

    1.Cat5 UTP everywhere for data
    2.Coax cable everywhere for entertainment (video/audio/etc)
    3.Phone cables for those places where you want telephones (VOIP just isnt quite here yet in .au)
    4.Conduits for everything so you can replace it later (e.g. when it becomes cost effective to run 1000baseFX or something)
    5.Automatic locks with keyfobs everywhere so that the house is as secure as it can possibly be. One press of the keyfob would unlock the front door, the front deadbolt AND the front screen door (the kind with those extra deadbolts). Once inside, one press of the keyfob would lock all 3 locks again so that burglers cant get in.
    6.As many gadgets to help keep the house clean as possible (robot vaccuum cleaner, steam mop, robot lawn-mower etc)
    7.Nice fast internet connection for sucking down large downloads
    8.Good burglar alarm (with smoke detectors etc)
    9.Storage area to put the linux box I keep meaning to obtain and setup
    10.Dedicated room for my LEGO building
    11.Home theater room (and kit) to watch DVDs on
    12.Everything possible to save energy

    Why is it so hard to find a builder that will actually put cables like networking and audio-visual in as part of the plan? If you want it done, generally its very difficult to get the builder to let you do it plus the builder can/will ruin your work later. I want a house where networking and audio-visual cabling has been drawn into the plans alongside the power and water and where its installed as part of the construction

  218. Appropriate tech for the burbs by foobarb · · Score: 1

    * Rainwater catchment system feeds into landscape irrigation system.

    * Solarium/greenhouse, passive solar, with hot tub (tankless hot water heater). Hot tub water recycles to plants after chlorine evaps.

    * CCTV -> webcam/floodlights for outside of house (motion detector) and cat cam inside (motion detector) for peace of mind when traveling.

    * Smart heat/air exchanger in bathroom with timer.

    * Timers on simple control panel for various lights.

  219. All I need... by gijoel · · Score: 0

    ... is a pornographic holodeck. I'd never have to leave the house again.

  220. Built-In Carwash. by JoshRoss · · Score: 1

    I would like * a built-in carwash * instant hot water everwhere. * a washing machine that can wash lots of clothes, and does not mix colors with the whites, and dry them too.

  221. (my) house of the future by Nitewing98 · · Score: 1

    1. BIG kitchen. I love to cook and I've found anything short of a commercial kitchen inevitably is too small or doesn't have enough counter space.

    2. Atrium or other plant space. I spend a lot of time inside the house and am not much of a gardener, but love having plants nearby.

    3. Voice control of most functions. I'd like to be able to say (from the sofa) "Open the downstairs windows and start the attic fan." or "Lower the lights 50%." But keep it simple with a dedicated computer system so it's responsive, not busy doing a defrag or other task and mistaking my comment on the current movie of "It's bloody wonderful" for "Clean the blood from the hall."

    4. Sufficient infrastructure for cabling and wiring without having to punch holes in walls.

    5. Energy efficiency and alternate forms of heating/cooling so I'm not entirely dependent on the Light and Power (and Gas) companies. I'm willing to put solar panels on the roof or a windmill in the backyard.

    6. ARCHITECTURE! Please, please, please, design something that is beautiful too, not a faux Tudor-style or anything kitschy. Design something from the ground up that fits it's environment and has some real beautiful touches. (See Frank Lloyd Wright) Stay away from "styles" that are used in subdivisions (YUK) and the 21st century "office building" trend of going all glass and steel.

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    Nitewing '98

    Everything works...in theory.

  222. Love Shower by Form-o-Stuff · · Score: 1

    I want a shower with heads on either side of the tub, so two can shower at once without one hogging the only stream.

  223. Lots of wiring by GWBasic · · Score: 1
    I want lots of wiring!

    • Give me electrical outlets everywhere. If you can, try and make each outlet have four plugs instead of the usual 2.
    • Put an ethernet jack on the middle of each wall. Don't be afraid to put a few ethernet jacks together in areas where there will be a TV or a workspace.
    • Run coax to every room.
    • I don't know if this is legal, but wire the telephone system as if you were wiring ethernet. This way, when telephones are finaly obsolete, all of the telephone jacks can be turned into ethernet jacks.
    • Make all of the ethernet and coax terminate in a single wiring closet.
    • Consider having a few seperate circuits that can be hooked up to a UPS. You could go so far as to have one uninterupted outlet in each room, with its faceplate a different color.
    • Make it easy for me to add a line conditioner to my electrical system.
    • Someone mentioned having a dedicated home theater room. This might not be possible in all situations, but I would try and have an area that is optimized for a large screen television and surround sound. Put in-wall wiring in for at least 7.1 sound.
    • Run ethernet to one (or two if the house is large) places where a wireless access point can be hidden. Make sure that this is easy enough to access that it can be upgraded.
  224. big brick wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have a 2 foot thick brick wall built around my yard. Near the corners there would be 3 storey tall watch towers, also made of brick. I would have a 2 lot wide castle. No technology other than good old fazshioned castle building. Perhaps I would have security cameras or alarms with motion tracking spotlights.

  225. No question by Cally · · Score: 1

    Structured cabling. My house is several hundred years old in places, there are three-foot thick stone walls which wifi will never penetrate (cellphones scarely get signal.)

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    "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
  226. One without ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... an interest-only, option-ARM, negative amortization mortgage.

    Unlike about 70-80% of the stupid, stupid schmucks buying homes in southern California these days.

  227. Huh... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    My apartment is 1100sq', 2 bedrooms, large living room, kitchen, full bath. Not cramped at all, but i cant say ive ever been in a house that size...

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  228. $70k not high end... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    Good, i can tell my fiance that so shell feel better about me spending $1k on a home theater for our college apartment.

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  229. I would like a REAL house (instead of plywood) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'd like a house whose 1/3 is in the ground, basement poured out of CEMENT, the other 2/3 made out of REAL brick blocks actually supporting the house and bound with mortar, the roof made out of terra cota, and I want that house to be heated by water pipes embedded into the cement floors, in short, centrally water heated system.

    Also, I'd like every floor to be poured out of reinforced concrete instead of plywood planks, and I'd like mortar insulation both on the inside and on the outside, as well as a white facade on the outside.

    And, I want solar panels with both water pipes and cells in them, so that they generate both heated water and electricity. This implies batteries for storage. While we're on the subject, I'd also want a diesel or a gas generator with a distribution panel, so it'd automatically kick in if the power goes out.

    In short, I'd like to have a typical environemnt-friendly, energy conserving, european family house. Which doesn't get blown away when the hurricane or a tornado strike.

    Really simple.

  230. I'm torn. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    I like the Earthship concept, but I also like the geodesic dome and a pyramid.

    In the event that I ever win the Powerball, I'll be building one of them.

    LK

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    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
  231. Ideal Futuristic Home=Paid For by tinpipes · · Score: 1

    'nuff said

  232. SO bad for the enviornment, natural and aesthetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to say it, but that's terrible advice.

    1) As a builder, I can tell you that the McMansions going up on the edge of town, out in the boonies, or on tiny plots where they replace little ranch houses, are generally terrible. They're built as investments by speculators, on the cheap, with Home Depot windows and no architect. Not only do you get shoddy workmanship, but they are 20-70% uglier than average. There is no telling if the market will continue to support the real-estate boom, and these things will be the first to loose value. Not to mention the fact that re-doing, for instance, the entire heating system ten years down the road might prove somewhat expensive.

    2) They're sucking up otherwise useful forest and meadow. Seriously, if you're thinking about children, why not consider their well-being and leave them a little enviornment. Buy a house in the middle of town, and take them for a walk in the country.

  233. My ideal home? by mrjacques · · Score: 1

    It was all laid out in Bradbury's "The Veldt," 56 years ago. Forget those weird people, though (the Hadleys and that McClean guy).

  234. Ubiquitous and flexible, wireless touchscreen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The technology needs to be simple for the user - highly automated and highly reliable, so it won't require a complex UI. Very close to a ubiquitous vision then.

    On the other hand it should be highly configurable by the user/OEM vendor. This would mean open platforms, in practice Linux, and/or highly developed UIs for 'power users'.

    For home power users, a wireless pad like the Nokia 770 would could be the ideal control interface - you could control and configure anything from anywhere in your home!

    Varis
    Check my blog at http://icct.blogspot.com/ for more ideas on the pads

  235. A few things, that aren't really "futuristic" ... by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

    Just really neat.

    First of all - the idea of having a toilet in the same room as a shower/bath? Scrap that! I don't want to sit in a bath, soaking for an hour to the stench of whomever just visited! Toilets in a room for themselves, please! And add LOTS of exhaust venting to that room. While I can see it as a fun thing to have people hair getting sucked towards the ceiling, that might be a bit much, but I'm sure you get the idea.

    Secondly - all bathroom mirrors should have anti-fogging whatever on them.
    Third - all bathroom walls and floors should have heating. Nothing worse than relaxing in a warm bath and then having to scamper to find tiles that aren't 10 C!

    Fourth - kitchen tables shouldn't be fixed. I want ones that I can lower or lift easily like office furniture. I'm 193 cm (6'4"), which makes my perfect work height about 25 cm higher than my girlfriend's work height. If they could also be pulled away from the walls, that'd be just perfect - that way I can clean behind them and get rid of the gunk.

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    We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
  236. Substance by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    More than anything American's have achieved everything but substance in their lives. Building homes that reward them with substance, value and meaning drives the market in the upper end. Home theater is just riding the coat tails of this substance trend until it too is thrown off.

    My futuristic house harks back to the days when building was done with stone masons and huge timber beams. Homes in Europe, France, Italy, Spain continue to service their occupants hundreds of years beyond constuction.

    Medical science has made us outlast our electronics, automobiles, 2x4 stick houses, even the 30 year roof. I like clay tiles which don't require reroofing. Who'd a thought sewer pipe cut in half used as roof tiles would ever catch-on?

    All the lights in my house could easily run by solar battery system. For christ's sake solar powered battery chargers can light your walkway in your garden, why not your house? Bye, bye grid. Battery + Solar charging is doable.

  237. Cool House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be self-sufficient; it would turn on the lights and the TV when I went through the door. It would also have DNA verification as the key, perhaps fingerprinting. I would have a fallout shelter below the surface (not just for paranoia; the peace and tranquility are an extra good plus), and probably some good solar backup would be cool. I would also have the house solar heated; and in every room in the house, I would like flip-down TV's - all of which mechanically flip down whenever a weather warning is issued (as they often are in Michigan).

    It would also be cool to have one computer room in the house that contained all the computers that I own. They would be hooked up to every TV in the house. By each TV there would be a keyboard/mouse, and at a few 'stations', I'd have some peripherial hook ups (USB ports in the wall) so I could add stuff to certain computers on the fly. I would also have in the computer room a temperature monitoring device and a few Tivo's to distribute signals accross the house to the other TVs.

    And if I somehow was able to afford all this, I would also probably be able to afford a room with a big skylight that could be opened or closed at my discretion.

    If only, If Only...

  238. Universal Powerline Bus (UPB) by dfries · · Score: 1
    What I would do is fill the house with Universal Powerline Bus (UPB) devices. Think of X10, only done right.

    I'll say this much for X10. It allowed me to see what is possible, I just don't use it for much more than a remote control for the floor lamp behind my desk.

    Fortunately there are better things out there than X10. Universal Powerline Bus (UPB) would be the one I would like to give a try if it wasn't so expensive. What's better than X10? It's faster, the devices acknowlege the transfer, and the devices can let the rest of the system know when they are manually changed. It isn't just a slave to the computer.

    As far as prices go, $75 for a light switch/control $95 for a serial to UPB for computer control, $85 to $95 for an inline relay or outlet. To replace a house worth of outlets and light switches would be very expensive.

    What I would like to know is if their relays are any quieter than the X10 ones. I tried having X10 turn on a light for me in the morning, but waking up to a loud THUNK wasn't what I had in mind.

  239. integrated storage by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Here where I live, everyone has a snow shovel and bag of ice by the door in winter - why not a small closet by the do or to store them in?

    Most toilets have a plunger next to them- why not a small door or niche in the sink pedestal to store it?

    Some people like to take their shoes off at the door - why not drawers to store them in?

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    Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
  240. I can think of one place ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    What Would Be Your Ideal Futuristic Home?

    Enterprise-D

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  241. Re: distance to TV = figure 2600-3200 / resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >The distance between the screen and your eyes ideally should be about 2-3 times the height of the screen (at least, if we're talking about high definition TV. Sit further away, and you'll lose all of the extra detail you paid for when you bought an HD set).

    Parent is correct. Regardless of format, I typically tend to prefer viewing at 2600-3200 pixel-heights away. For HDTV, that means 2600/1080 = ~2.4 screen heights, but for 720p on a DLP projector, I prefer 2600/720 = ~3.6 (i.e. 15' from a 100" diagonal 16:9 screen), and on my 36" sony wega xbr in 16:9 mode, I prefer to sit about 9' away, which is 6.7 letterboxed screen heights. 6.7x480 = ~3200; the upsampling to 960 isn't 'real' information, so it doesn't count, but it does help explain why I sit farther away. For computer monitors, I typically work at 3200/768 = ~4.2 screen heights to reduce eyestrain from focusing too closely (i.e. I sit 40" away from my 16" monitor).

    Assuming 2600/resolution and knowing that the typical American living room allows for 8' viewing distance, we can compute optimal screen sizes for each resolution. Widescreen formats: 1080 = ~81", 720 = ~54", and 480 = ~36". Standard 4:3 NTSC at 480 lines = ~30".

    p.s. 20/20 vision is defined as 2.5' of arc / 60 = 0.04167 degrees for 3 pixels (black/white/black). So assuming you wanted to be able to see black/white/black or white/black/white full-contrast pixels, the typical person will need to sit within 4125 pixel-heights of the screen. For 1080i/p that's 3.8x, 720i/p = 5.7x, and 480i/p = 8.6x. However, if you don't want to be able to see pixels, you'll want to sit farther away. hehe.

    p.p.s I can clearly see the lines between the pixels on a 100" 16:9 screen with a 720p DLP projector up until about 10' away. Given that 90% of the DLP pixel reflects light, that means only 5% of the pixel width is "line". That means I resolve about 35000 x line height, or about about 8.5x finer detail than than 20/20 vision predicts (granted, it's a repeated pattern, which is much easier to detect than a single 'E', which is the true definition of 20/20 vision).

  242. Don't think of it as using up the closet space... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... think of it as "adding thermal mass"

  243. hmmm by spx · · Score: 1

    One that cleans itself & has enough outlets for our geek things, along with some good storage space!