This is one of the basic things...Please don't tell me linux distro developers didn't know this. Then the question on why it so even if they knew is intriguing!
>users are reporting bugs, widening memory leaks, unexpected instability, poor compatibility, and an overall experience that is inferior to that offered by prior versions of the browser...
Do you think MS has infiltrated Firefox with its folks or its just that firefox programmers can also make mistakes...
This shows how dumass our politicians are...But again majority of our Indian politicians are ex-criminals/racists/sick-folks and so this might be a smart idea in their world!
I was an a-dash person at MS (Redmond)last year and now I work for as a full time for a different company. I do agree some of your points here - like lack of skill and experience is more responsible for lower treatment. Also, I agree that being able to say "worked at MS" helps.
There are some negative aspects too - If you have observed, the first thing many blue badges search on a new person is his color of badge. I have had this experience when I walked into meetings or walked across corridors in new buildings. Also, it almost always sucks during team outings or project lunch/dinners where a-dash has to get special permission or not allowed to participate at all...
>>If Microsoft waits for the patch cycle, slashdotters complain Microsoft is purposely holding out so that they can sell anti-virus
And we also see comments saying Firefox fixes & releases the patches pretty fast which somehow is not a concern for internal testing!!!
>??? It does? I know you only listed 3 things, but of them they seem pretty well addressed to me
Sort messages - Not filter; I know you can group messages in Thunderbird (today/yesterday...). But theres no way you can sort messages in each group, say by name, size...
The address pane (one with To, from, subject) becomes large for no reason. It just leaves some empty lines below To line.
Always, takes lot of time for loading large messages for me. My mail server is Unix one and not a windows based one.
Spell check in 1.5 - but not yet released. I hope they have grammar check too there.
Also, look and feel of Outlook is much better; but I agree this is a personal preference.
Totally agree here...Thunderbird currently is just a below average product. No inline spell check, no easy way to sort messages, takes forever to load large messages...the list goes on.
Hope Thunderbird 1.5 can atleast give a decent fight against Outlook 2003.
Its really nice that/. folks are supporting this...Atleast now they are not bashing MS by saying the service packs don't have all fixes. Its just not possible to take each and every fix until last minute.
Hay, If i can get my girlfriend into open source like firefox and thunderbird i think their might be a new era of applications coming from open source development.
Firefox is good but the same does not apply to Thunderbird...I have been using it since a year and its still a below average crap...May be Thunderbird 1.5 (if they ever release) wil have a chance to compete against Outlook...
I am using Windows mainly because its available everywhere (school, work...). I would love to try Linux but I am little scared from the endless installation process involved (especially 'X' system). Also, I should say that I am bit disappointed after using Mozilla thunderbird. Hope other open source products keep up to their hype.
This is the third article on Microsoft today...Regardless of if we like or hate it, this company is THE one to beat...Hope some day, a linux company can also become this strong. I don't see in current trends but nothing wrong in hoping!!
> Thunderbird (best email client I've ever seen, btw)
C'mon, I have been using this email client since last one year and its total crap. No inline spell check, no easy way to sort messages, takes forever to load large messages, address pane (the one with To, cc contents) gets too huge even with just a couple of lines of contents,...The list goes on.
I hope Thunderbird 1.5 (yet to be released) atlelast has a chance to compete against Outlook 2003.
Yeah right...!Then How do I say 'Thanks' to Mozilla foundation for giving a totally crap email client called Firefox with its never ending trail of patches for near zero useful features...
Every software company/organization has good and bad products...Stop whining.
C'mon...Don't give excuses..I am sure everyone here would be jumping off their seats if it were a IE crash and now all sorts of defensive excuses are flying...
In addition, a small talk on how to get OSS software into mainstream and some insight into how to beat Micorsoft/ why so many OSS operating systems are still second players...This would help students not to repeat same mistakes.
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This is one of the basic things...Please don't tell me linux distro developers didn't know this. Then the question on why it so even if they knew is intriguing!
>users are reporting bugs, widening memory leaks, unexpected instability, poor compatibility, and an overall experience that is inferior to that offered by prior versions of the browser... Do you think MS has infiltrated Firefox with its folks or its just that firefox programmers can also make mistakes...
Its Mac...It can never have such issues. Lets blame it on MS as usual
This shows how dumass our politicians are...But again majority of our Indian politicians are ex-criminals/racists/sick-folks and so this might be a smart idea in their world!
Thats a typical chicken excuse!!
Just curious - How come Firefox is so famous in Australia...?
Is there a point in this article...?
I was an a-dash person at MS (Redmond)last year and now I work for as a full time for a different company. I do agree some of your points here - like lack of skill and experience is more responsible for lower treatment. Also, I agree that being able to say "worked at MS" helps.
There are some negative aspects too - If you have observed, the first thing many blue badges search on a new person is his color of badge. I have had this experience when I walked into meetings or walked across corridors in new buildings. Also, it almost always sucks during team outings or project lunch/dinners where a-dash has to get special permission or not allowed to participate at all...
>>If Microsoft waits for the patch cycle, slashdotters complain Microsoft is purposely holding out so that they can sell anti-virus
And we also see comments saying Firefox fixes & releases the patches pretty fast which somehow is not a concern for internal testing!!!
We always see comments bashing MS and praising Open source. Its good to see some fair comments on the other side too..
>??? It does? I know you only listed 3 things, but of them they seem pretty well addressed to me
Sort messages - Not filter; I know you can group messages in Thunderbird (today/yesterday...). But theres no way you can sort messages in each group, say by name, size...
The address pane (one with To, from, subject) becomes large for no reason. It just leaves some empty lines below To line.
Always, takes lot of time for loading large messages for me. My mail server is Unix one and not a windows based one.
Spell check in 1.5 - but not yet released. I hope they have grammar check too there.
Also, look and feel of Outlook is much better; but I agree this is a personal preference.
Totally agree here...Thunderbird currently is just a below average product. No inline spell check, no easy way to sort messages, takes forever to load large messages...the list goes on. Hope Thunderbird 1.5 can atleast give a decent fight against Outlook 2003.
AJAX is MS technology...Oh, my God. I need to start hating this now. I better hide behind this article and bash Microsoft. Don't waste a second!
Its really nice that /. folks are supporting this...Atleast now they are not bashing MS by saying the service packs don't have all fixes. Its just not possible to take each and every fix until last minute.
I thought only MS products have so many bugs...So, even opensource products are not fool proof since its inception! Interesting.
Hay, If i can get my girlfriend into open source like firefox and thunderbird i think their might be a new era of applications coming from open source development.
Firefox is good but the same does not apply to Thunderbird...I have been using it since a year and its still a below average crap...May be Thunderbird 1.5 (if they ever release) wil have a chance to compete against Outlook...
I am using Windows mainly because its available everywhere (school, work...). I would love to try Linux but I am little scared from the endless installation process involved (especially 'X' system). Also, I should say that I am bit disappointed after using Mozilla thunderbird. Hope other open source products keep up to their hype.
>...declared the Sony-led next generation Blu-Ray format the winner over HD-DVD, led by Microsoft...
C'mon get the facts right...
This is the third article on Microsoft today...Regardless of if we like or hate it, this company is THE one to beat...Hope some day, a linux company can also become this strong. I don't see in current trends but nothing wrong in hoping!!
> Thunderbird (best email client I've ever seen, btw)
C'mon, I have been using this email client since last one year and its total crap. No inline spell check, no easy way to sort messages, takes forever to load large messages, address pane (the one with To, cc contents) gets too huge even with just a couple of lines of contents,...The list goes on. I hope Thunderbird 1.5 (yet to be released) atlelast has a chance to compete against Outlook 2003.
Yeah right...!Then How do I say 'Thanks' to Mozilla foundation for giving a totally crap email client called Firefox with its never ending trail of patches for near zero useful features... Every software company/organization has good and bad products...Stop whining.
C'mon...Don't give excuses..I am sure everyone here would be jumping off their seats if it were a IE crash and now all sorts of defensive excuses are flying...
You are absolutely right.. Might be a cliche, but its true - 'Free s/w feels good but feeds bad'
In addition, a small talk on how to get OSS software into mainstream and some insight into how to beat Micorsoft/ why so many OSS operating systems are still second players...This would help students not to repeat same mistakes.
Just blame it on Microsoft and move on next topic...as usual on slashdot!