LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org Writer has usually been good at handling traditional.doc files. (OO got much better when early 2.x versions came out) I'm usually able to share these documents with Word users and make changes without any major issues.
Docx is a whole different story. I recently opened a moderately complicated docx in OO Writer. This document had one of those auto-generated table of contents that corresponded to section headings, several embedded pictures, a few tables, and lots of lists. While Writer would let me see what was in the document, the editing capability was completely shot to hell. Lists were broken, the table of contents was a read-only object that Writer wouldn't (or couldn't) let me change, style/formatting was glitchy in general, and track changes was broken. Converting that document to another format just made things worse. Don't even think of using OO/LO with Docx files unless the only thing you have to do is read them.
I've used Java when I need to write a quick-and-dirty program on short notice, but for serious projects I've never considered using Java because
1. It depends on the interpreter/runtime.
2. No native code (unless you count GCJ, but I've never been able to make that compile anything written in the last few years)
3. Java doesn't give you access to much system-level stuff
4. Terrible OS X support
5. Java is still slower than native code for CPU-intensive functions
If you want WORA, Qt with C++ is a better way to go. I've been able to compile Qt projects on any OS without changing a thing and I'm in the process of porting my old Java stuff to Qt.
The problem is that the christians (ESPECIALLY evangelicals) don't want tolerance, they want to control everything. They have a huge majority in the USA and yet they still claim persecution every time someone stands up to them. The fundies have this bizarre chip on their shoulders where they think the world is evil and everyone else is out to get them because of their faith.
Full disclosure: I'm an ex-christian so I know how it is on both sides of the issue. There are lots of us out there.
If they can last decades without growing tin whiskers or having the capacitors fail the next time it's used is a different story. Up until earlier this month, I was using an old CRT had thad faithfully served me daily these last 10 years. All of a sudden, there was a loud POP and the TV shut off. When I tried to turn it on again, there was only a loud sparking noise and no picture so I unplugged it real fast. I'm guessing a capacitor blew. All I can do is guess since there's no way in hell I'm opening up a CRT... too dangerous.
I would have loved to have KOTOR3. KOTOR2 was excellent as it was, but the the The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod made it perfect. Kreia was one of the best characters ever written for a game... I swear I learned more from that old woman than I did in many philosophy classes I took.
I agree that four years old is a bit young to be playing with rare earth magnets, but around the age of 6 I already knew better than to put anything like that into my mouth. Around that time I was playing in my grandpa's workshop (he used to work in refrigerator repair, and the place was full of scrap metal, scrap wood, small electric motors, MAGNETS *gasp* , hand tools, and lots of other cool stuff to play with.) Naturally, I quickly got fond of building things and tinkering with machines.
There was dangerous stuff in there (power tools and old cans of freon that he never got rid of for some reason) but he told me never to play with that and I was smart enough to listen. When he showed me what a table saw could do to a piece of scrap wood in under 2 seconds I quickly learned that I shouldn't put my finger there. The problem today is that we're treating kids who should be old enough for this stuff like toddlers. (mostly because people have turned into litigious bastards... true, they always were but it seems like it's gotten worse in the last decade or two) As a result, kids are way behind the curve on development than they were when I was growing up because their development is being stunted. If you took a typical sheltered kid from today and moved him back in time about 20 years, he would probably be considered slow and undeveloped.
I think it's long past time we permanently exiled everyone in government to some barren island in the middle of the ocean where they could no longer do harm.
Government needs term limits. It's the only way to get rid of some of these people short of death (well, we can hope, can't we?) Term limits should apply to everyone... no one is so good that they're irreplacable. If politicians stay in too long, they get greedy and corrupt even if they started out with good intentions.
Lobbying should also be outlawed on pain of death. It's really a form of treason... third party interests are using their clout to hijack the government to serve them at the expense of everyone else. I sure as hell can't afford a lobbyist, so my voice goes unheard.
A union of programmers would be unstoppable. You can't just hire a scab when the only people who know how the software works aren't willing to cooperate.
A programmer's union is not the bargaining chip you think it is. 10-15 years ago, yeah, you would probably have management by the balls if you decided to form a union and strike. However, the world is different in a globalized economy... management would just farm the whole project out to India or China or bring in a few H1-Bs to finish it up.
I'm sure you've seen those books where one rich guy says he succeeded by not giving up. Then you have another book where a rich guy says he succeeded by knowing when to quit. Then you have another rich guy saying he succeeded by starting many different businesses at the same time and closing down the ones that don't succeed. Then you have yet another rich guy saying he succeeded by focusing on one thing... Another rich guy says "buy property", but if you bought the wrong property < 2008, you'd now be stuck paying off a loan that's a lot more than your property. So good luck figuring out what the real secret to success is.
I remember the whole "Rich Dad/Poor Dad" craze that went on a few years ago. There were lots of seminars where every guy that made it big in real estate had his own "system" that you could use to get lots of $$$. (after buying your way in, of course) There was much talk about "dreams", "goals", and lots of other dog-and-pony show bullshit that was big on emotion but skimped on real substance. That whole thing mostly dried up after 2008 when the economy went to shit... people are mostly trying to stay solvent these days, not get rich.
After going to a few of these seminars in my younger days, I soon understood that there is no "big secret". Those guys probably made more money selling books/learning materials to people who wanted to be rich than they ever made in real estate. It's far easier to sell a dream to others than it is to produce real goods.
If you re-enacted many of the stories out of the old testament with Legos, then you would need lots and lots of dead, dismembered Lego people to go along with the destroyed Lego cities they used to live in. You would also need an add-on set that has a Lego Moses, a Lego Joshua, and a Lego David so you can have a party after all god's Lego enemies are dead.
What do you expect from a god that considers burning flesh to be a pleasant aroma?
MSWord was never designed for complicated document layout. No wonder you were having problems with it.
The lack of formatting tag access is a big clue... I've lost track of how much trouble I've experienced while trying to remove junk formatting artifacts from a document that has been passed around and edited by several people. (DOC files were never supposed to be distributed... that's what PDF is for!!) I often end up dumping the thing back into a text editor to get rid of ALL formatting and then paste it back into a new document and reformat from scratch.
I like document prep tools like TeX infinitely more than WYSIWYG tools like MSWord. I can focus on content while TeX handles the formatting, and I end up with a nicely done PDF. How hard is it to learn LaTeX, anyway? Even non-programmers could learn the basics over a weekend if they put their minds to it. Everyone I've met who does tech writing knows some basic HTML at least, and LaTeX syntax isn't much harder.
So you're seriously saying that a race to the bottom is a good idea? Really? It would be tolerable to work for less if the cost of living decreased in proportion to wages, but it hasn't. Gas is still a rip off and the price of food and goods has gone up because of it. (it costs more to deliver things) It costs the same to live as before the recession happened (if not more so) yet people have less resources to make ends meet.
The recession only ended if you were rich enough to get a government bailout. You can't have a functional economy when most of the working people have very little money. The occupy movement is just the beginning. Things are going to get bad if this keeps up.
If you think this is a great depression I suggest you go talk to someone who lived through the real great depression so they can slap you upside the head and explain to you the vast, vast, differences.
I talked to someone who was around back then and he said that things are actually worse. Today, people don't know how to hunt or farm like they did back then.
Otherwise, you'd screw your stats by leveling too fast, too hard, with too many skills left in the dust until you found yourself facing enemies that were far too powerful for you to handle.
Exactly. For that reason I always played Oblivion with stealth-focused character classes rather than turning myself into a tank hack-and-slash character. With a high marksman and stealth (plus lots and lots of damage-health poison... gotta get that alchemy skill up early in the game) I could ambush enemies and get lots of sneak kills really easily. Even powerful enemies go down quickly if you can get them with sneak attack critical+powerful weapon+damage per second poison.
If I were a recruiter, I would automatically be wary of anyone who seriously refers to themselves as a "guru" of $language. Sure, you may be good at writing code and may know a particular library inside out, but anyone who calls themselves a guru probably has a very overinflated sense of their importance and actual skill level. These also tend to be the people who have the right buzzwords to get past HR filters and then proceed to bullshit their way through interviews.
I've been using Clementine for awhile now. It's still a bit rough around the edges (no podcast support) but it looks and works just like the old Amarok 1.4 did. (I always hated Amarok2... I kept old KDElibs around just so I could run 1.4 as long as possible) I forget if Clementine is a complete rewrite or a port of 1.4 to Qt4 libs.
Besides, who needs Mono when you can write cross-platform apps with Qt? Stuff like automatic garbage collection isn't enough to get me using.NET, not when Qt is pretty good about cleaning up after itself at the QObject level. Sure, you may have to do some manual GC here and there, but its nowhere near as bad as vanilla C++ is.
In my case I DON'T want to piss off my family. My dad has been an atheist for most of my life so he wouldn't care but my mom has always been hyper-religious. I was "in the closet" for a long time after I stopped believing, but eventually I couldn't keep up appearances anymore and I came out recently. She took it hard and tried to scare me back into the fold, but after feeling free for the first time in my LIFE I just couldn't go back to it again. I'm certain that time heals all wounds. The Pauline doctrine is basically what "broke" me in the end... I just couldn't take it anymore. All that talk of sin, damnation, and constantly having to beg god for forgiveness is incredibly damaging.
If there is a god, I'm certain that it isn't the spiteful god in the Old Testament. Even Jesus (somehow the same entity, yet he prays to himself) seems to be a composite of older pagan myths. (another good site is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ What Jesus taught is so similar to other sources that its essentially plagiarism.
In my case, I don't WANT to piss off my family. My dad has been an atheist for years so he wouldn't care, but my mom has always been hyper-religious and I don't want to strain that relationship. I was "in the closet" about my beliefs for some time even though I continued to play the part. Eventually I just couldn't take it anymore and I came out. She took it hard and tried to "scare" me back into the fold but time heals all wounds. The Pauline doctrine is a huge part of what broke my faith... to actually adhere to it you would have to essentially stop being human, and telling yourself that you were a worthless "sinner" over and over again and perpetually begging for forgiveness is incredibly damaging.
If there is a god, I'm very certain that it isn't the spiteful yahweh god of the old testament. Even Jesus seems to be a composite of lots of earlier pagan traditions. Lots of what he said can be traced back to earlier philosophers and the similarities are so uncanny that it's basically plagiarism. (another good site is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ ) Even when I was still indoctrinated I noticed lots of inconsistencies in the New testament but I was conditioned not to ask questions and just accept it.
Here's something that blows the creationist’s mind: vestigial organs/parts. If a creator independently designed each organism, then lots of stuff that shouldn't be there somehow made it into the finished product. This excellent article explains it better than I could: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html
Full disclosure: I used to be a born again christian, (these days I consider myself an agnostic... I don't really know if there's a god or not) but sites like these really opened my eyes. Most people only believe because they are told the same things over and over again from childhood and free thought is discouraged. I don't know if ministers/seminaries are ignorant of the true history of Christianity or if they are aware and simply covering it up to maintain control over people. Bible "study" is simply re-indoctrinating yourself over and over. Once something happens in your life to make you start questioning what you've been told, your whole worldview inevitably falls apart. It's only a matter of time.
In the SEC schools, I would bet that football and basketball are by far the biggest profit centers. Much bigger than tuition
Oh hell yeah. When people mention the University of Alabama or Auburn University, the first thing that usually comes to mind is football. It's actually a pretty good racket...everybody gets paid except for the players that make it all happen. (unless you count future NFL draft opportunities as payment)
Basically unchecked greed from lenders and educational institutions, combined with politicians all too happy to look the other way for a cut of the action. (campaign $$$) That's why nothing changes... your voice is meaningless unless you can match the lobbyists dollar for dollar.
Students get out of high school at 18, and they have no idea how the world works. They are still very naive, optimistic about life after college, and tend to think the best of people. (maybe the smart ones don't, but the real world tends to rub that off really quick for the rest of them) Universities just tell the unwary students to sign on the dotted line for education money. At that point, the trap is sprung and the student is a debt slave for the next few decades.
A whole generation of young people now have nothing to look forward to but grinding poverty for much of their lives. The economy has become irreparably broken and it's all because the people responsible for this were so damn greedy they sacrificed long term economic viability for short-term extra gains. They're already rich as hell so what do they need the extra money for anyway? Are they planning to store it in a vault and gloat while the rest of us are barely scraping by? I wonder how they ever got to be in charge and still manage to be that stupid.
If someone has to maintain the terminators, then sabotage would become a possibility if the machines begin to undermine the status quo. Imagine what would happen if a disgruntled technician loaded malware that made the units seek out and destroy each other.
There's also more direct sabotage... lots of unemployed humans with buckets of water (or fire hoses) to short out the circuits and sledgehammers to destroy the chassis could do lots of damage since the units (early ones at least) would likely not be exceptionally durable or programmed for combat.
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LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org Writer has usually been good at handling traditional .doc files. (OO got much better when early 2.x versions came out) I'm usually able to share these documents with Word users and make changes without any major issues.
Docx is a whole different story. I recently opened a moderately complicated docx in OO Writer. This document had one of those auto-generated table of contents that corresponded to section headings, several embedded pictures, a few tables, and lots of lists. While Writer would let me see what was in the document, the editing capability was completely shot to hell. Lists were broken, the table of contents was a read-only object that Writer wouldn't (or couldn't) let me change, style/formatting was glitchy in general, and track changes was broken. Converting that document to another format just made things worse. Don't even think of using OO/LO with Docx files unless the only thing you have to do is read them.
I've used Java when I need to write a quick-and-dirty program on short notice, but for serious projects I've never considered using Java because
1. It depends on the interpreter/runtime.
2. No native code (unless you count GCJ, but I've never been able to make that compile anything written in the last few years)
3. Java doesn't give you access to much system-level stuff
4. Terrible OS X support
5. Java is still slower than native code for CPU-intensive functions
If you want WORA, Qt with C++ is a better way to go. I've been able to compile Qt projects on any OS without changing a thing and I'm in the process of porting my old Java stuff to Qt.
The problem is that the christians (ESPECIALLY evangelicals) don't want tolerance, they want to control everything. They have a huge majority in the USA and yet they still claim persecution every time someone stands up to them. The fundies have this bizarre chip on their shoulders where they think the world is evil and everyone else is out to get them because of their faith.
Full disclosure: I'm an ex-christian so I know how it is on both sides of the issue. There are lots of us out there.
If they can last decades without growing tin whiskers or having the capacitors fail the next time it's used is a different story. Up until earlier this month, I was using an old CRT had thad faithfully served me daily these last 10 years. All of a sudden, there was a loud POP and the TV shut off. When I tried to turn it on again, there was only a loud sparking noise and no picture so I unplugged it real fast. I'm guessing a capacitor blew. All I can do is guess since there's no way in hell I'm opening up a CRT... too dangerous.
Try Clementine. It's a bit rough around the edges but it looks like the old Amarok 1.4.
I would have loved to have KOTOR3. KOTOR2 was excellent as it was, but the the The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod made it perfect. Kreia was one of the best characters ever written for a game... I swear I learned more from that old woman than I did in many philosophy classes I took.
I agree that four years old is a bit young to be playing with rare earth magnets, but around the age of 6 I already knew better than to put anything like that into my mouth. Around that time I was playing in my grandpa's workshop (he used to work in refrigerator repair, and the place was full of scrap metal, scrap wood, small electric motors, MAGNETS *gasp* , hand tools, and lots of other cool stuff to play with.) Naturally, I quickly got fond of building things and tinkering with machines.
There was dangerous stuff in there (power tools and old cans of freon that he never got rid of for some reason) but he told me never to play with that and I was smart enough to listen. When he showed me what a table saw could do to a piece of scrap wood in under 2 seconds I quickly learned that I shouldn't put my finger there. The problem today is that we're treating kids who should be old enough for this stuff like toddlers. (mostly because people have turned into litigious bastards... true, they always were but it seems like it's gotten worse in the last decade or two) As a result, kids are way behind the curve on development than they were when I was growing up because their development is being stunted. If you took a typical sheltered kid from today and moved him back in time about 20 years, he would probably be considered slow and undeveloped.
I think it's long past time we permanently exiled everyone in government to some barren island in the middle of the ocean where they could no longer do harm.
Government needs term limits. It's the only way to get rid of some of these people short of death (well, we can hope, can't we?) Term limits should apply to everyone... no one is so good that they're irreplacable. If politicians stay in too long, they get greedy and corrupt even if they started out with good intentions.
Lobbying should also be outlawed on pain of death. It's really a form of treason... third party interests are using their clout to hijack the government to serve them at the expense of everyone else. I sure as hell can't afford a lobbyist, so my voice goes unheard.
I agree. QT Creator is the best IDE I've ever used. (Though Netbeans is pretty good for Java stuff, never liked Eclipse very much)
A programmer's union is not the bargaining chip you think it is. 10-15 years ago, yeah, you would probably have management by the balls if you decided to form a union and strike. However, the world is different in a globalized economy... management would just farm the whole project out to India or China or bring in a few H1-Bs to finish it up.
I remember the whole "Rich Dad/Poor Dad" craze that went on a few years ago. There were lots of seminars where every guy that made it big in real estate had his own "system" that you could use to get lots of $$$. (after buying your way in, of course) There was much talk about "dreams", "goals", and lots of other dog-and-pony show bullshit that was big on emotion but skimped on real substance. That whole thing mostly dried up after 2008 when the economy went to shit... people are mostly trying to stay solvent these days, not get rich.
After going to a few of these seminars in my younger days, I soon understood that there is no "big secret". Those guys probably made more money selling books/learning materials to people who wanted to be rich than they ever made in real estate. It's far easier to sell a dream to others than it is to produce real goods.
If you re-enacted many of the stories out of the old testament with Legos, then you would need lots and lots of dead, dismembered Lego people to go along with the destroyed Lego cities they used to live in. You would also need an add-on set that has a Lego Moses, a Lego Joshua, and a Lego David so you can have a party after all god's Lego enemies are dead.
What do you expect from a god that considers burning flesh to be a pleasant aroma?
MSWord was never designed for complicated document layout. No wonder you were having problems with it.
The lack of formatting tag access is a big clue... I've lost track of how much trouble I've experienced while trying to remove junk formatting artifacts from a document that has been passed around and edited by several people. (DOC files were never supposed to be distributed... that's what PDF is for!!) I often end up dumping the thing back into a text editor to get rid of ALL formatting and then paste it back into a new document and reformat from scratch.
I like document prep tools like TeX infinitely more than WYSIWYG tools like MSWord. I can focus on content while TeX handles the formatting, and I end up with a nicely done PDF. How hard is it to learn LaTeX, anyway? Even non-programmers could learn the basics over a weekend if they put their minds to it. Everyone I've met who does tech writing knows some basic HTML at least, and LaTeX syntax isn't much harder.
So you're seriously saying that a race to the bottom is a good idea? Really? It would be tolerable to work for less if the cost of living decreased in proportion to wages, but it hasn't. Gas is still a rip off and the price of food and goods has gone up because of it. (it costs more to deliver things) It costs the same to live as before the recession happened (if not more so) yet people have less resources to make ends meet.
The recession only ended if you were rich enough to get a government bailout. You can't have a functional economy when most of the working people have very little money. The occupy movement is just the beginning. Things are going to get bad if this keeps up.
I talked to someone who was around back then and he said that things are actually worse. Today, people don't know how to hunt or farm like they did back then.
Exactly. For that reason I always played Oblivion with stealth-focused character classes rather than turning myself into a tank hack-and-slash character. With a high marksman and stealth (plus lots and lots of damage-health poison... gotta get that alchemy skill up early in the game) I could ambush enemies and get lots of sneak kills really easily. Even powerful enemies go down quickly if you can get them with sneak attack critical+powerful weapon+damage per second poison.
If I were a recruiter, I would automatically be wary of anyone who seriously refers to themselves as a "guru" of $language. Sure, you may be good at writing code and may know a particular library inside out, but anyone who calls themselves a guru probably has a very overinflated sense of their importance and actual skill level. These also tend to be the people who have the right buzzwords to get past HR filters and then proceed to bullshit their way through interviews.
I've been using Clementine for awhile now. It's still a bit rough around the edges (no podcast support) but it looks and works just like the old Amarok 1.4 did. (I always hated Amarok2... I kept old KDElibs around just so I could run 1.4 as long as possible) I forget if Clementine is a complete rewrite or a port of 1.4 to Qt4 libs.
.NET, not when Qt is pretty good about cleaning up after itself at the QObject level. Sure, you may have to do some manual GC here and there, but its nowhere near as bad as vanilla C++ is.
Besides, who needs Mono when you can write cross-platform apps with Qt? Stuff like automatic garbage collection isn't enough to get me using
sorry for the double post.. it seems to be a slashdot malfunction. I posted the first one and it came up blank so I typed everything again.
In my case I DON'T want to piss off my family. My dad has been an atheist for most of my life so he wouldn't care but my mom has always been hyper-religious. I was "in the closet" for a long time after I stopped believing, but eventually I couldn't keep up appearances anymore and I came out recently. She took it hard and tried to scare me back into the fold, but after feeling free for the first time in my LIFE I just couldn't go back to it again. I'm certain that time heals all wounds. The Pauline doctrine is basically what "broke" me in the end... I just couldn't take it anymore. All that talk of sin, damnation, and constantly having to beg god for forgiveness is incredibly damaging.
If there is a god, I'm certain that it isn't the spiteful god in the Old Testament. Even Jesus (somehow the same entity, yet he prays to himself) seems to be a composite of older pagan myths. (another good site is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ What Jesus taught is so similar to other sources that its essentially plagiarism.
In my case, I don't WANT to piss off my family. My dad has been an atheist for years so he wouldn't care, but my mom has always been hyper-religious and I don't want to strain that relationship. I was "in the closet" about my beliefs for some time even though I continued to play the part. Eventually I just couldn't take it anymore and I came out. She took it hard and tried to "scare" me back into the fold but time heals all wounds. The Pauline doctrine is a huge part of what broke my faith... to actually adhere to it you would have to essentially stop being human, and telling yourself that you were a worthless "sinner" over and over again and perpetually begging for forgiveness is incredibly damaging.
If there is a god, I'm very certain that it isn't the spiteful yahweh god of the old testament. Even Jesus seems to be a composite of lots of earlier pagan traditions. Lots of what he said can be traced back to earlier philosophers and the similarities are so uncanny that it's basically plagiarism. (another good site is http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ ) Even when I was still indoctrinated I noticed lots of inconsistencies in the New testament but I was conditioned not to ask questions and just accept it.
Here's something that blows the creationist’s mind: vestigial organs/parts. If a creator independently designed each organism, then lots of stuff that shouldn't be there somehow made it into the finished product. This excellent article explains it better than I could: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html
Creationists also have a hard time talking their way around the massive problems with Noah's flood: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
Full disclosure: I used to be a born again christian, (these days I consider myself an agnostic... I don't really know if there's a god or not) but sites like these really opened my eyes. Most people only believe because they are told the same things over and over again from childhood and free thought is discouraged. I don't know if ministers/seminaries are ignorant of the true history of Christianity or if they are aware and simply covering it up to maintain control over people. Bible "study" is simply re-indoctrinating yourself over and over. Once something happens in your life to make you start questioning what you've been told, your whole worldview inevitably falls apart. It's only a matter of time.
Oh hell yeah. When people mention the University of Alabama or Auburn University, the first thing that usually comes to mind is football. It's actually a pretty good racket...everybody gets paid except for the players that make it all happen. (unless you count future NFL draft opportunities as payment)
Basically unchecked greed from lenders and educational institutions, combined with politicians all too happy to look the other way for a cut of the action. (campaign $$$) That's why nothing changes... your voice is meaningless unless you can match the lobbyists dollar for dollar.
Students get out of high school at 18, and they have no idea how the world works. They are still very naive, optimistic about life after college, and tend to think the best of people. (maybe the smart ones don't, but the real world tends to rub that off really quick for the rest of them) Universities just tell the unwary students to sign on the dotted line for education money. At that point, the trap is sprung and the student is a debt slave for the next few decades.
A whole generation of young people now have nothing to look forward to but grinding poverty for much of their lives. The economy has become irreparably broken and it's all because the people responsible for this were so damn greedy they sacrificed long term economic viability for short-term extra gains. They're already rich as hell so what do they need the extra money for anyway? Are they planning to store it in a vault and gloat while the rest of us are barely scraping by? I wonder how they ever got to be in charge and still manage to be that stupid.
If someone has to maintain the terminators, then sabotage would become a possibility if the machines begin to undermine the status quo. Imagine what would happen if a disgruntled technician loaded malware that made the units seek out and destroy each other.
There's also more direct sabotage... lots of unemployed humans with buckets of water (or fire hoses) to short out the circuits and sledgehammers to destroy the chassis could do lots of damage since the units (early ones at least) would likely not be exceptionally durable or programmed for combat.