If it doesn't occur in Europe, then they have apparently figured out how to disable it..
Caller id spoofing happens just the same in Europe. A number of calls are placed from abroad and spoof local numbers. The phone system is a worldwide system so the solution must be deployed worldwide for it to work.
OpenStreetMap is not a serious competitor to Google Maps. Nobody is, last I checked.
One does not have to be a perfect replacement for a service right now to be a serious competitor. Just like cars were initially not a perfect replacement for carts, and yet were serious competition.
Plus, I'm not entirely convinced that OpenStreetMap would ever really get thorough terrestrial virtual presence even in major cities anyways... lacking the commercial incentive to go out of the way and take photographs exhaustively through every side street in major cities like Google does.
The lack of a commercial incentive is a double-edged sword. There are lots of places where people complain about the lack of Google StreetView coverage precisely because there's no commercial incentive. But with crowdsourced services like Mapillary and OpenStreetCam anyone interested in adding coverage can do so. Lack of commercial incentive mean the crowd contributes on what interests them, and isn't that what matters?
Plus there is commercial incentive to add coverage, in some countries at least. For instance in France cities collect taxes on advertising billboards but they need to inventory them. Sogefi can be hired to drive cars around to provide this inventory service and uses Mapillary for that, thus providing coverage in a lot of places. In another instance some towns, unhappy about the Google coverage, decided to improve the map for their territory to draw in tourists and put cameras on their garbage trucks. This type of partnership can be a cheap way to contribute pretty exhaustive street-level coverage. That said Google also has partners, among which Sogefi, so it's not like only OpenStreetMap benefits from the extra coverage.
Also, the belief that coverage will never be good enough can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And then everyone loses.
Automation of one type of work does not preclude another. Your condescending attitude only convinces yourself and other people who don't understand the implications. You're stuck believing in some cyberpunk dystopia where you fantasize you'd get treated better than the world treats you now, but it's not a compelling assertion. Good luck with that.
Wow. You really totally miss the point. And talk about condescending! If that's how you react every time someone points out you were wrong I'm happy not to know you.
It's not a matter of believing in whatever cyberpunk dystopia you assumed I believe in. You said it yourself, automation of one type of work does not prevent (preclude) automation of other types of work. Given the current trends there's a good chance a lot of jobs will be automated. The big question then is what happens when 10% of the population can provide for the needs of the remaining 90%. What does the remaining 90% do if they don't have a job? Do we add layers upon layers of red tape to create work for the 90%? Do they all become entertainers? (But who will be willing to pay enough for it for them all to make a living) Do we simply let them die in the streets?
UBI is one possible answer to these issues. One we don't know whether it can work because we don't know what people will do with UBI.
And UBI is not only about letting people live without working. That's only if you set its amount that's high enough. There are other forms where the goal is to unify, streamline and replace all forms of social security handouts; from food stamps to housing allowance to unemployment insurance.
Best case scenario is hundreds of km^2 are uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years? Pretty sure stuff lives around Chernobyl and Fukushima at the moment. So not sure where you are seeing you 'best case' situation...
After Chernobyl a 30 km zone was evacuated which is about 2800 km^2. Again after Fukushima a 30 km area was evacuated but given half of it is at sea that's only roughly 1400 km^2. So the assertion that hundreds of km^2 are uninhabitable is quite valid. Sure some wildlife may live and even prosper in the evacuated areas (due to the lack of humans), but with lifespans of under 20 years they are much less likely to develop cancers than beings with 80 year lifespans. And in any case this makes little difference to anyone who lived in these areas since they cannot go there even if they want to.
> Do you realize that the driving force of UBI in today's environment is to actually allow people to survive without working?
You realize there's no reason to assert that? There's nothing published or publicly said, by the organizations running these experiments, to that effect.
You do realize there's morecontextbehindUBI than just Y Combinator's press release? Do press releases really need to repeat everything just for you?
Yeah. Holding elections on a Tuesday when most people have to work seems so uniquelyretarded. It increases the likelihood of queues by ensuring most people try to vote at the time: either early in the morning before work, or late in the day after work as they cannot take enough time away during their workday, even more so if they have a long commute. Sure having to wait three hours if you're jobless or "financially independent" may seem to be ok, but if you're a cashier at a supermarket your boss is not going to let you arrive three hours late with the excuse of long lines at the polling booth. But then maybe you're fine with denying other people their right to vote.
And also once you start collecting Social Security, you forfeit your right to vote because people at that point will vote for anyone who promises them more money.
You are so smart! Let's just make your scheme airtight: And also once you start paying taxes, you forfeit your right to vote because people at that point will vote for anyone who promises them less taxes. So the only people who can vote are people who do not pay taxes, do not collect social security, are not retired (and thus receiving social security's pensions), are not disabled (again receiving social security disability benefits), etc. But don't worry. I'm sure you'll still find one or two voters to hold an election.
Yes they are smart, how long before they figure out how to fool the system and submit false cigarette butts or fake false small pieces of rubbish
The system already prevents that through image recognition: After the camera has recognised the cigarette filter as a filter, it returns a bit of food to the table in front of the crow.
The crows will eventually learn that small rocks and sticks will trigger the system.
The system already prevents that through image recognition: After the camera has recognised the cigarette filter as a filter, it returns a bit of food to the table in front of the crow.
Ya see this is the problem that the FOSSies just don't seem capable of grasping, every single person using Windows has some programs they consider "must have" or there is no point in having the PC...and none of it works on Linux. Sure you might come up with a wine layer for MS Office or QuickBooks (does QuickBooks even work in 2018? haven't looked in years) but that is 2 programs out of several million
Your argument is the whole premise behind Wine: Let users switch to Linux despite that one Windows-only application they absolutely must have. And fortunately Wine runs a lot more than the two applications you mentioned. Close to 44% of the applications in Wine's AppDB are rated Platinum or Gold, meaning they can be made to work perfectly. So users trying games, office or even their obscure must-have genealogy or knitting application have a good chance at success. This proves applications can work and that a lot more would if a bit more effort was put into Wine.
Regarding hardware the situation is really not as bad as you describe, though I agree that the printer / scanner situation is not great. The fix to that is very clearly to buy HP. For everything else I have not run into issues for years.
What I don't seem to be getting across (and getting a lot of flame for) is that I don't see the point in recreating an operating system that already exists.
Maybe you like it that there is a single Windows supplier and that this gives them the power to hold the world to ransom since so much depends on it. But others don't and are doing something about it.
Also our systems do NOT depend on open source software AT ALL. [...] But then I work for really real companies, writing software that actually changes the world, not some shit hole company in the ass end of nowhere that has to rely on open source software because you can't afford the license fees.
You say that as if companies that actually change the world cannot possibly be using open-source software. You're just ignoring Google, FaceBook, Amazon, Wikipedia, etc. And if yours is not in that list, is it really changing the world?
Good point. The sat pics show the wind turbines have all been dismantled, although not much seems to have been done with them. It's not clear how old the images are.
I think he's talking about these Hawaïan wind turbines. No idea how many there are and the photos date back to 2011 so things may have changed since then.
I did not see any rusty wind turbine in California but it's too big a place to search thoroughly on Google Maps. If someone knows where they are, provide a link, photos, etc.
^ THIS. OpenstreetMap does not provide the same quality of experience that Google does, so naturally it won't be used as much. Build something as good as what Google delivers, and the users will naturally come.
That's what seems to be doing. None of the Google competitors has real time traffic information however and I'll grant you that for people living in large cities this is a big issue (but not so much in the countryside).
If you want people to contribute their data (and time) en masse, you have to give them a high-quality mobile experience.
A lot of people seem to like the Maps.me interface. In fact I was telling a friend about how OpenStreetMap allowed people to have a GPS abroad even without a data connection and he told me he did not see the point since he just used Maps.me. Well, Maps.me uses OpenStreetMap. Duh!
And if you don't like Maps.me there's Osmand+ (also available in the Google Store), and plenty of others, including a lot for specialized uses such as hiking or cycling.
For example consider the problem of detecting bus stops. One user getting onto a bus, riding it to a stop, and getting off tells you nothing. You could tell that they transitioned from walking to riding at a point and back to walking at another point. But they could be getting into a car.
Or they could be using Jungle Bus and provide the name of the bus stop, the bus lines that stop there, whether there's a bench to sit, etc.
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If it doesn't occur in Europe, then they have apparently figured out how to disable it..
Caller id spoofing happens just the same in Europe. A number of calls are placed from abroad and spoof local numbers. The phone system is a worldwide system so the solution must be deployed worldwide for it to work.
If they were forced to give out new assemblies, they could charge an arm and a leg for them.
That's typical of the USA's bold and risk-taking attitude in politics: Let's not even try to solve the problem because we might fail.
Let me remind you what I said:
One does not have to be a perfect replacement for a service right now to be a serious competitor. Just like cars were initially not a perfect replacement for carts, and yet were serious competition.
Plus, I'm not entirely convinced that OpenStreetMap would ever really get thorough terrestrial virtual presence even in major cities anyways... lacking the commercial incentive to go out of the way and take photographs exhaustively through every side street in major cities like Google does.
The lack of a commercial incentive is a double-edged sword. There are lots of places where people complain about the lack of Google StreetView coverage precisely because there's no commercial incentive. But with crowdsourced services like Mapillary and OpenStreetCam anyone interested in adding coverage can do so. Lack of commercial incentive mean the crowd contributes on what interests them, and isn't that what matters?
Plus there is commercial incentive to add coverage, in some countries at least. For instance in France cities collect taxes on advertising billboards but they need to inventory them. Sogefi can be hired to drive cars around to provide this inventory service and uses Mapillary for that, thus providing coverage in a lot of places. In another instance some towns, unhappy about the Google coverage, decided to improve the map for their territory to draw in tourists and put cameras on their garbage trucks. This type of partnership can be a cheap way to contribute pretty exhaustive street-level coverage. That said Google also has partners, among which Sogefi, so it's not like only OpenStreetMap benefits from the extra coverage.
Also, the belief that coverage will never be good enough can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And then everyone loses.
Automation of one type of work does not preclude another. Your condescending attitude only convinces yourself and other people who don't understand the implications. You're stuck believing in some cyberpunk dystopia where you fantasize you'd get treated better than the world treats you now, but it's not a compelling assertion. Good luck with that.
Wow. You really totally miss the point. And talk about condescending! If that's how you react every time someone points out you were wrong I'm happy not to know you.
It's not a matter of believing in whatever cyberpunk dystopia you assumed I believe in. You said it yourself, automation of one type of work does not prevent (preclude) automation of other types of work. Given the current trends there's a good chance a lot of jobs will be automated. The big question then is what happens when 10% of the population can provide for the needs of the remaining 90%. What does the remaining 90% do if they don't have a job? Do we add layers upon layers of red tape to create work for the 90%? Do they all become entertainers? (But who will be willing to pay enough for it for them all to make a living) Do we simply let them die in the streets?
UBI is one possible answer to these issues. One we don't know whether it can work because we don't know what people will do with UBI.
And UBI is not only about letting people live without working. That's only if you set its amount that's high enough. There are other forms where the goal is to unify, streamline and replace all forms of social security handouts; from food stamps to housing allowance to unemployment insurance.
A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.
-- John Burroughs
Both of which have vast swaths of roadways even in major cities that are entirely uncovered.
Absolutely. The same could be said of Wikipedia four years after it started. The rest is history...
Best case scenario is hundreds of km^2 are uninhabitable for tens of thousands of years? Pretty sure stuff lives around Chernobyl and Fukushima at the moment. So not sure where you are seeing you 'best case' situation...
After Chernobyl a 30 km zone was evacuated which is about 2800 km^2. Again after Fukushima a 30 km area was evacuated but given half of it is at sea that's only roughly 1400 km^2. So the assertion that hundreds of km^2 are uninhabitable is quite valid. Sure some wildlife may live and even prosper in the evacuated areas (due to the lack of humans), but with lifespans of under 20 years they are much less likely to develop cancers than beings with 80 year lifespans. And in any case this makes little difference to anyone who lived in these areas since they cannot go there even if they want to.
> Do you realize that the driving force of UBI in today's environment is to actually allow people to survive without working?
You realize there's no reason to assert that? There's nothing published or publicly said, by the organizations running these experiments, to that effect.
You do realize there's more context behind UBI than just Y Combinator's press release? Do press releases really need to repeat everything just for you?
Boo Hoo. You had to wait to vote.
Yeah. Holding elections on a Tuesday when most people have to work seems so uniquely retarded. It increases the likelihood of queues by ensuring most people try to vote at the time: either early in the morning before work, or late in the day after work as they cannot take enough time away during their workday, even more so if they have a long commute. Sure having to wait three hours if you're jobless or "financially independent" may seem to be ok, but if you're a cashier at a supermarket your boss is not going to let you arrive three hours late with the excuse of long lines at the polling booth. But then maybe you're fine with denying other people their right to vote.
There should be an IQ test that needs to be passed before being allowed to vote.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. But I'm sure the tests can be designed so only people who agree with you can vote.
And also once you start collecting Social Security, you forfeit your right to vote because people at that point will vote for anyone who promises them more money.
You are so smart! Let's just make your scheme airtight: And also once you start paying taxes, you forfeit your right to vote because people at that point will vote for anyone who promises them less taxes. So the only people who can vote are people who do not pay taxes, do not collect social security, are not retired (and thus receiving social security's pensions), are not disabled (again receiving social security disability benefits), etc. But don't worry. I'm sure you'll still find one or two voters to hold an election.
OpenStreetMap is not a serious competitor to Google Maps. Nobody is, last I checked.
Three words:
Terrestrial virtual presence.
Two words:
Mapillary
OpenStreetCam
Anyone with a smartphone can be a Google competitor. The numbers are on our side.
Not in the discussion. WTF?
Somewhat different wording but the last time this story was on Slashdot, last october, there was a thread about crows attacking smokers.
And, it appears that this "anonymous Slashdot reader" is not only ignorant of French culture, but one of those extremely intolerant Antifa members.
I don't see the issue with french culture and I'm not sure the editor is the one revealing personal bias here.
Yes they are smart, how long before they figure out how to fool the system and submit false cigarette butts or fake false small pieces of rubbish
The system already prevents that through image recognition: After the camera has recognised the cigarette filter as a filter, it returns a bit of food to the table in front of the crow.
The crows will eventually learn that small rocks and sticks will trigger the system.
The system already prevents that through image recognition: After the camera has recognised the cigarette filter as a filter, it returns a bit of food to the table in front of the crow.
It took off from Arizona on the 11th of July and has only now come down to Earth, a total of 25 days, 23 hours and 57 minutes later.
They missed their target by 3 minutes obviously ;-)
Ya see this is the problem that the FOSSies just don't seem capable of grasping, every single person using Windows has some programs they consider "must have" or there is no point in having the PC...and none of it works on Linux. Sure you might come up with a wine layer for MS Office or QuickBooks (does QuickBooks even work in 2018? haven't looked in years) but that is 2 programs out of several million
Your argument is the whole premise behind Wine: Let users switch to Linux despite that one Windows-only application they absolutely must have. And fortunately Wine runs a lot more than the two applications you mentioned. Close to 44% of the applications in Wine's AppDB are rated Platinum or Gold, meaning they can be made to work perfectly. So users trying games, office or even their obscure must-have genealogy or knitting application have a good chance at success. This proves applications can work and that a lot more would if a bit more effort was put into Wine.
Regarding hardware the situation is really not as bad as you describe, though I agree that the printer / scanner situation is not great. The fix to that is very clearly to buy HP. For everything else I have not run into issues for years.
What I don't seem to be getting across (and getting a lot of flame for) is that I don't see the point in recreating an operating system that already exists.
Maybe you like it that there is a single Windows supplier and that this gives them the power to hold the world to ransom since so much depends on it. But others don't and are doing something about it.
Also our systems do NOT depend on open source software AT ALL. [...] But then I work for really real companies, writing software that actually changes the world, not some shit hole company in the ass end of nowhere that has to rely on open source software because you can't afford the license fees.
You say that as if companies that actually change the world cannot possibly be using open-source software. You're just ignoring Google, FaceBook, Amazon, Wikipedia, etc. And if yours is not in that list, is it really changing the world?
Good point. The sat pics show the wind turbines have all been dismantled, although not much seems to have been done with them. It's not clear how old the images are.
I think he's talking about these Hawaïan wind turbines. No idea how many there are and the photos date back to 2011 so things may have changed since then.
I did not see any rusty wind turbine in California but it's too big a place to search thoroughly on Google Maps. If someone knows where they are, provide a link, photos, etc.
I'm sure Google Duplex could do a much better job than a lot of the telemarketers I'm getting!
That was a joke, Sheldon.
^ THIS. OpenstreetMap does not provide the same quality of experience that Google does, so naturally it won't be used as much. Build something as good as what Google delivers, and the users will naturally come.
That's what seems to be doing. None of the Google competitors has real time traffic information however and I'll grant you that for people living in large cities this is a big issue (but not so much in the countryside).
If you want people to contribute their data (and time) en masse, you have to give them a high-quality mobile experience.
A lot of people seem to like the Maps.me interface. In fact I was telling a friend about how OpenStreetMap allowed people to have a GPS abroad even without a data connection and he told me he did not see the point since he just used Maps.me. Well, Maps.me uses OpenStreetMap. Duh!
And if you don't like Maps.me there's Osmand+ (also available in the Google Store), and plenty of others, including a lot for specialized uses such as hiking or cycling.
For example consider the problem of detecting bus stops. One user getting onto a bus, riding it to a stop, and getting off tells you nothing. You could tell that they transitioned from walking to riding at a point and back to walking at another point. But they could be getting into a car.
Or they could be using Jungle Bus and provide the name of the bus stop, the bus lines that stop there, whether there's a bench to sit, etc.