You can't have labor disputes until there is enough wealth in society for labor to start getting jealous
Labor disputes aren't caused by jealousy, they're caused by bad management. Treat your workers fairly and they won't unionize no matter what kind of economy you have.
you can't have enough wealth to spread around until the unparalleled might of capitalism builds it.
capitalism organizes it, LABOR builds it.
They tried it he communist way
Which was already shown not to work. Incentives like better working conditions and fair pay go a lot farther than threats of violence.
I wish GlassDoor would redo their study after factoring in cost of living. Then we'd see who's *really* paying their engineers.
That's something people don't seem to get, not even economists. I'm twice as rich as someone in Chicago who earns the same salary as me, because prices up there are twice as high.
I took a required economics class as an undergrad (late 1970s), and on the first day of class the three instructors were saying that Americans made too much money, there was going to be a crash, and that we would be earning the same as someone in a third world country.
I'd been in the USAF the previous four years. In Deleware I was a pauper; they don't pay airmen jack shit. When I was stationed in Thailand (then still not developed, although it's completely different now) I lived like a king. My bungalow (including woman) was $30 per month. I could tale three ladies to a decent restaraunt and have a $1 bill. I bought a tailored shirt for $5. It cost a nickle to go anywhere in the country on a bus, a dollar for a taxi.
I raised my hand and asked about the differences in living costs and asked these three educated idiots how in the hell someone can live on $1000 a year in the US. Their answer? Live in a cardboard box and eat nothing but peanut butter.
I stood up, called them idiots to their faces, and walked out and dropped the class, and replaced it with... hell, I don't remember, some other unscientific science like sociology or something.
People just don't get it, and I suspect that someone who should but doesn't, like someone with a PhD in economics is being disingenuous for their own evil ends. I've had nothing but disdain for economists to this day, it was made even stronger when these economists espoused trickle down fairy dust.
Oh, yeah... time showed that those idiotic economists were idiots, if common sense didn't.
I was going to post something along the lines of what you and other commenters posted, but instead I'll point out that yes, (s)he's irrational, but as to being illiterate, that's the submitter. TFS does indeed say Google. It's a mystery why, but it is.
I'm one vote out of millions in this state. My vote for Congresscritter will matter a lot, my vote for President not at all. My daughter lives in Ohio, and her vote does indeed matter. I'd urge her to vote for Obama if she wasn't already planning to.
Get Out the Vote!
Agreed. Only half of eligible voters ever show up. They're painted as apathetic, but I know a lot of these non-voters and they're not. They simply dislike both major candidates so they stay home as a "protest". These people need to show up and vote third party. Imagine what would happen if all these non-voters showed up and voted Libertarian or Green?
If he's deemed at risk of suicide then it's obvious that being an ass burger isn't his only problem; suicide attempts/threats are a sign of clinical depression (although I don't see how that would matter, but I'm neither a medical doctor nor a British lawyer). Possibly he has other issued as well.
Now you did it... I'm going to have to dig out those old DOOM floppies, find a drive somewhere in that pile of junk parts in the basement, and play DOOM.
A Libertarian would support the ability of people to sue for pollution (even air pollution).
Then why dodn't anyone sue Monsanto before the EPA was instituted? You couldn't drive down Rt 3 with the windows down, even in hundred degree heat and there was no AC then.
Why didn't anyone sue Monsanto and Cerro Copper over Dead Creek catching fire?
Why didn't anyone sue over the 100,000 55 gallon drums of highly toxic waste buried on bank of the Mississippi river across the river from St Louis?
All of this crap was in ONE SPOT out of the entire country. I reiterate -- the environment then was as bad as China now.
The Libertarians are either stupid or disingenuous. Either way, they don't deserve a vote.
The problem with that is if you vote your concience you are throwing away your vote. If it's a close election
The President isn't elected by popular vote, he's elected by the vote of the electoral college. You're not voting for Romney or Obama, you're voting for the guy who casts the vote.
And the vote is only close in a handful of states like Florida and Ohio. In any state except one of the half dozen "swing states" a vote for a major party candidate is meaningless. For example, here in Illininois Obama will win by a landslide, in Texas Romney will.
In any but the swing states, the only votes that matter are votes for third party candidates -- because at least you're saying "none of the above".
From my perspective we're in deep trouble as a nation. Our national debt is at an all time high, our GDP is relatively flat, we have lost a lot of respect around the world, it's getting more difficult to negotiate with hostile nations, and we are taxing people so much that the viability of maintaining a job is becoming more a matter of character rather than pragmatism. Practically speaking it's more worth while to go on social security than it is to work.
You're completely deluded. Of course our debt is at an all-time high; we were in two very expensive wars that we're only now getting out of, and the economy collapsed right before Obama took office, so we not only have to pay for those wars, we have to do so with less revenue. Note that the GDP is pretty much flat because the fucking economy collapsed before he took office and nobody can easily get loans, and the rest of the world is doing as bad or worse as us. Look at Europe; they're not going to buy much from us because they're broke, too.
We haven't lost respect under Obama, we've gained respect under his administration. Under Bush we did indeed lose ALL respect.
Then you really go off the deep end into Rush Limburger territory. I know people on SSI (which is what you're referring to, SS is for old people who have already worked longer than you've been alive) and they get about $600 per month. At an eight hour day five days a week that's $3.75 an hour.
As for federal taxes, they're lower now than they've been in over half a century, especially if you're a rich bastard.
Again, you should start taking your medication and stop watching Fox and listening to a drug-addled fatassed radio blowhard.
I not want Obama to win, but I think that if he does win this nation may not survive another four years of his policies.
Unemployment is lower than it was when he took office, far more people are employed, he saved the auto industry, kept us from another depression, housing starts are higher than before he was elected, ended Iraq, Killed the top Al Quaida operatives including Bin Laden himself.
OTOH Romney wants to take us back to the same policies that started two very expensive wars, policies that caused the defecit you cry about. Policies that caused the economy to collapse. Romney is Bush II. Obama's only problem is that he's neither the anti-Bush nor FDR.
What is someone with such apparently poor reasoning skills as you doing at slashdot? I thought this was a site for nerds?
Will no gentleman stand forward to represent the people on the slavery issue?!?
Gentlemen? Jill Stein is no gentleman, she was arrested last night for trespassing at the debate.
She's getting my vote, and I didn't even RTFA. Obama will win in a landslide here in Illinois, so a vote for either him or Romney is wasted here. Rather than wasting my vote, I intend to vote for a candidate who doesn't want to put my friends and family in prison for pot. I choose her over the Libertarian, because the Libertarians stupidly think you can have a clean environment without environmental regulations, and I'm old enough to know what it was like before the EPA (So does Ron Paul, which makes me think he's either an idiot or in bed with the polluters).
"(a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#2006_definition]
Our society has suppressed this information for so long to keep us blinded from the truth. The communication happens telepathically and during meditative states of mind, or during dreams.
WTF, slashdot? That's insightful??? Prove telepathy exists, prove that the "telepathic" subject actually had contact, prove it wasn't a stupid dream, do it with the scientific method and you could have a point. But you see, you can no more prove that than you can prove that sentience exists.
This was NOT the least bit insightful, rather Sakari has shown evidence of schitzophrenia in himself. Dude, see a mental health professional; I've known a few folks with your disease and the drugs do indeed work. Unfortunately, the symptoms of the disease keep the sufferer from taking his medication.
At least, lay off the coke and acid, dude, because you've gone off the deep end.
If what GP says is true, then TPB is making profits (via ad revnue) by enabling people to steal (yes, steal! I said STEAL when referring to copyright infringement!) the creations of others.
Mod me redundant because I and many others have often belabored this point, but AcidPengion is FUCKING WRONG and looks like an idiot.
Look, Penguin (please change your user name, you're making Linux users look bad), here's how copyright infringement works. I buy (BUY AND PAY FOR) a CD or DVD, make a copy and GIVE it to you. I have infringed copyright, you have not. You have stolen nothing; it was freely given. I have stolen nothing; I paid for my copy.
Now tell me, Acidhead, how has either party stolen anything?
Here's how you steal music -- you go into Best Buy and shoplift a CD. That is indeed stealing. Best Buy no longer has the CD they paid for, it's gone. If you're caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor and will pay a few hundred bucks in fines.
When you download a CD's worth of music you didn't steal that music, it was given to you. But say you're uploading and get caught -- that's copyright infringement. Nobody has lost anything, and will likely in fact produce sales, as one book publisher discovered when he commissioned a study to find out how much file sharing was costing him. Unlike stealing music, if you get caught infringing copyright you'll be out thousands of dollars.
They are profiting off of the work of the artists and creators without giving any of that money to the creators themselves.
If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.
I have yet to hear about TPB paying creators any money.
They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising. You're not going to pay for a song from a band you never heard, but if someone tells you about them and you DL their work, you're very likely to spend money on them unless they suck* -- money they would not have earned without the help of the Pirate Bay.
Now go tell your MAFIAA masters you failed in your shillage, tool.
* I do perfectly understand why a talentless hack would be against file sharing. The only way for them to make money is to sell you a pig in a poke.
He's a Republican, so there's a 98% chance that he is really, REALLY obtuse. Any Republican earning less than $250k per year is voting against his own interests, and has to be really obtuse to not understand that.
I'm still waiting for them to fix the "hide file extensions for known file types" exploit. It's the first thing I change anytime I install Windows.
That's something about Windows I've been bitching about for years, and a bright five year old could exploit a user this way.
What purpose does hiding the file extension have?
Windows is meant to be usable by the mentally handicapped, like some of the folks I used to work with, who would come to me with "when I click document.mine, why won't it open?" I got those complaints from stupid co-workers and I'm sure MS got the same complaints.
Except now, it's "Hey! There are two copies of document.me, which one do I open?" I got that from my now-retired former boss. I shut off the stupid "hide extensions" so he could see that he had document.me.wpd and document.me.pdf.
At least with the former all I had to do was explain that the extension is how the document opens automagically.
If British English is so superior to American English, then why to you spell "trunk" b-o-o-t? I don't keep anything in boots except feet and socks, but trunks were around in carriages since before America was even discovered.
Having RTFA (I know), this planet is very close in to one of the stars, in this case Alpha Centauri B.
I wonder if there is another planet around A cen B slightly closer to it than Earth is from the sun? We may find life on our nearest neighbor star system. If such a planet exists, but is yet undiscovered, can we name it Tattooine?
I browse from a Linux box using free software and don't have to pay companies like Symantec to protect me.
I have a kubuntu box as well, but I don't have to pay Symantic or anyone else for AV on the Windows box, since there are quite a few free AVs that are superior to Norton and McAffee. One even comes from MS.
However, I agree -- if they had done a better job of writing Windows, it would need no AV. Windows is the only OS there is that needs AV. Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.
And why does his nickname matter when it comes to a bug report?
How seriously would Microsoft take a bug report from WindowsIsGarbage? LinuxIsGarbage is obviously a troll account. If his name was Hitler, well, maybe his name really is William R. Hitler. But LinuxIsGarbage is an obvious setup, and nobody in their right mind would even glance at a bug report from him.
Which seemingly begs the question, why are we running AV? AV is clearly useless. It seems the UAC is far better at keeping your equipment free of viruses.
This article confirms something I've suspected for a long time.
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You can't have labor disputes until there is enough wealth in society for labor to start getting jealous
Labor disputes aren't caused by jealousy, they're caused by bad management. Treat your workers fairly and they won't unionize no matter what kind of economy you have.
you can't have enough wealth to spread around until the unparalleled might of capitalism builds it.
capitalism organizes it, LABOR builds it.
They tried it he communist way
Which was already shown not to work. Incentives like better working conditions and fair pay go a lot farther than threats of violence.
I wish GlassDoor would redo their study after factoring in cost of living. Then we'd see who's *really* paying their engineers.
That's something people don't seem to get, not even economists. I'm twice as rich as someone in Chicago who earns the same salary as me, because prices up there are twice as high.
I took a required economics class as an undergrad (late 1970s), and on the first day of class the three instructors were saying that Americans made too much money, there was going to be a crash, and that we would be earning the same as someone in a third world country.
I'd been in the USAF the previous four years. In Deleware I was a pauper; they don't pay airmen jack shit. When I was stationed in Thailand (then still not developed, although it's completely different now) I lived like a king. My bungalow (including woman) was $30 per month. I could tale three ladies to a decent restaraunt and have a $1 bill. I bought a tailored shirt for $5. It cost a nickle to go anywhere in the country on a bus, a dollar for a taxi.
I raised my hand and asked about the differences in living costs and asked these three educated idiots how in the hell someone can live on $1000 a year in the US. Their answer? Live in a cardboard box and eat nothing but peanut butter.
I stood up, called them idiots to their faces, and walked out and dropped the class, and replaced it with... hell, I don't remember, some other unscientific science like sociology or something.
People just don't get it, and I suspect that someone who should but doesn't, like someone with a PhD in economics is being disingenuous for their own evil ends. I've had nothing but disdain for economists to this day, it was made even stronger when these economists espoused trickle down fairy dust.
Oh, yeah... time showed that those idiotic economists were idiots, if common sense didn't.
You're irrational, and can't read.
I was going to post something along the lines of what you and other commenters posted, but instead I'll point out that yes, (s)he's irrational, but as to being illiterate, that's the submitter. TFS does indeed say Google. It's a mystery why, but it is.
I'm one vote out of millions in this state. My vote for Congresscritter will matter a lot, my vote for President not at all. My daughter lives in Ohio, and her vote does indeed matter. I'd urge her to vote for Obama if she wasn't already planning to.
Get Out the Vote!
Agreed. Only half of eligible voters ever show up. They're painted as apathetic, but I know a lot of these non-voters and they're not. They simply dislike both major candidates so they stay home as a "protest". These people need to show up and vote third party. Imagine what would happen if all these non-voters showed up and voted Libertarian or Green?
If he's deemed at risk of suicide then it's obvious that being an ass burger isn't his only problem; suicide attempts/threats are a sign of clinical depression (although I don't see how that would matter, but I'm neither a medical doctor nor a British lawyer). Possibly he has other issued as well.
OK, you got me, Mr. Rickles. Lets say Shrub II.
Now you did it... I'm going to have to dig out those old DOOM floppies, find a drive somewhere in that pile of junk parts in the basement, and play DOOM.
A Libertarian would support the ability of people to sue for pollution (even air pollution).
Then why dodn't anyone sue Monsanto before the EPA was instituted? You couldn't drive down Rt 3 with the windows down, even in hundred degree heat and there was no AC then.
Why didn't anyone sue Monsanto and Cerro Copper over Dead Creek catching fire?
Why didn't anyone sue over the 100,000 55 gallon drums of highly toxic waste buried on bank of the Mississippi river across the river from St Louis?
All of this crap was in ONE SPOT out of the entire country. I reiterate -- the environment then was as bad as China now.
The Libertarians are either stupid or disingenuous. Either way, they don't deserve a vote.
The problem with that is if you vote your concience you are throwing away your vote. If it's a close election
The President isn't elected by popular vote, he's elected by the vote of the electoral college. You're not voting for Romney or Obama, you're voting for the guy who casts the vote.
And the vote is only close in a handful of states like Florida and Ohio. In any state except one of the half dozen "swing states" a vote for a major party candidate is meaningless. For example, here in Illininois Obama will win by a landslide, in Texas Romney will.
In any but the swing states, the only votes that matter are votes for third party candidates -- because at least you're saying "none of the above".
From my perspective we're in deep trouble as a nation. Our national debt is at an all time high, our GDP is relatively flat, we have lost a lot of respect around the world, it's getting more difficult to negotiate with hostile nations, and we are taxing people so much that the viability of maintaining a job is becoming more a matter of character rather than pragmatism. Practically speaking it's more worth while to go on social security than it is to work.
You're completely deluded. Of course our debt is at an all-time high; we were in two very expensive wars that we're only now getting out of, and the economy collapsed right before Obama took office, so we not only have to pay for those wars, we have to do so with less revenue. Note that the GDP is pretty much flat because the fucking economy collapsed before he took office and nobody can easily get loans, and the rest of the world is doing as bad or worse as us. Look at Europe; they're not going to buy much from us because they're broke, too.
We haven't lost respect under Obama, we've gained respect under his administration. Under Bush we did indeed lose ALL respect.
Then you really go off the deep end into Rush Limburger territory. I know people on SSI (which is what you're referring to, SS is for old people who have already worked longer than you've been alive) and they get about $600 per month. At an eight hour day five days a week that's $3.75 an hour.
As for federal taxes, they're lower now than they've been in over half a century, especially if you're a rich bastard.
Again, you should start taking your medication and stop watching Fox and listening to a drug-addled fatassed radio blowhard.
I not want Obama to win, but I think that if he does win this nation may not survive another four years of his policies.
Unemployment is lower than it was when he took office, far more people are employed, he saved the auto industry, kept us from another depression, housing starts are higher than before he was elected, ended Iraq, Killed the top Al Quaida operatives including Bin Laden himself.
OTOH Romney wants to take us back to the same policies that started two very expensive wars, policies that caused the defecit you cry about. Policies that caused the economy to collapse. Romney is Bush II. Obama's only problem is that he's neither the anti-Bush nor FDR.
What is someone with such apparently poor reasoning skills as you doing at slashdot? I thought this was a site for nerds?
Well, the Republicrats could have solved that by simply inviting the parties on enough ballots to win to their debate.
Will no gentleman stand forward to represent the people on the slavery issue?!?
Gentlemen? Jill Stein is no gentleman, she was arrested last night for trespassing at the debate.
She's getting my vote, and I didn't even RTFA. Obama will win in a landslide here in Illinois, so a vote for either him or Romney is wasted here. Rather than wasting my vote, I intend to vote for a candidate who doesn't want to put my friends and family in prison for pot. I choose her over the Libertarian, because the Libertarians stupidly think you can have a clean environment without environmental regulations, and I'm old enough to know what it was like before the EPA (So does Ron Paul, which makes me think he's either an idiot or in bed with the polluters).
As to the slavery issue... which one?
"(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and
(c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#2006_definition]
Pluto meets A,B and not C.
Neither has Jupiter.
Our society has suppressed this information for so long to keep us blinded from the truth. The communication happens telepathically and during meditative states of mind, or during dreams.
WTF, slashdot? That's insightful??? Prove telepathy exists, prove that the "telepathic" subject actually had contact, prove it wasn't a stupid dream, do it with the scientific method and you could have a point. But you see, you can no more prove that than you can prove that sentience exists.
This was NOT the least bit insightful, rather Sakari has shown evidence of schitzophrenia in himself. Dude, see a mental health professional; I've known a few folks with your disease and the drugs do indeed work. Unfortunately, the symptoms of the disease keep the sufferer from taking his medication.
At least, lay off the coke and acid, dude, because you've gone off the deep end.
If what GP says is true, then TPB is making profits (via ad revnue) by enabling people to steal (yes, steal! I said STEAL when referring to copyright infringement!) the creations of others.
Mod me redundant because I and many others have often belabored this point, but AcidPengion is FUCKING WRONG and looks like an idiot.
Look, Penguin (please change your user name, you're making Linux users look bad), here's how copyright infringement works. I buy (BUY AND PAY FOR) a CD or DVD, make a copy and GIVE it to you. I have infringed copyright, you have not. You have stolen nothing; it was freely given. I have stolen nothing; I paid for my copy.
Now tell me, Acidhead, how has either party stolen anything?
Here's how you steal music -- you go into Best Buy and shoplift a CD. That is indeed stealing. Best Buy no longer has the CD they paid for, it's gone. If you're caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor and will pay a few hundred bucks in fines.
When you download a CD's worth of music you didn't steal that music, it was given to you. But say you're uploading and get caught -- that's copyright infringement. Nobody has lost anything, and will likely in fact produce sales, as one book publisher discovered when he commissioned a study to find out how much file sharing was costing him. Unlike stealing music, if you get caught infringing copyright you'll be out thousands of dollars.
They are profiting off of the work of the artists and creators without giving any of that money to the creators themselves.
If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.
I have yet to hear about TPB paying creators any money.
They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising. You're not going to pay for a song from a band you never heard, but if someone tells you about them and you DL their work, you're very likely to spend money on them unless they suck* -- money they would not have earned without the help of the Pirate Bay.
Now go tell your MAFIAA masters you failed in your shillage, tool.
* I do perfectly understand why a talentless hack would be against file sharing. The only way for them to make money is to sell you a pig in a poke.
And then no one would use taxi's
I'm offtopic but have wondered for a long, long while: Why is that apostrophe there? I see it more and more. What is its purpose?
Are you really obtuse?
He's a Republican, so there's a 98% chance that he is really, REALLY obtuse. Any Republican earning less than $250k per year is voting against his own interests, and has to be really obtuse to not understand that.
Care to share with us a link to that 1995 census survey?
census.gov is where to look. I don't know if the GP is correct, but that's where to check his facts.
I'm still waiting for them to fix the "hide file extensions for known file types" exploit. It's the first thing I change anytime I install Windows.
That's something about Windows I've been bitching about for years, and a bright five year old could exploit a user this way.
What purpose does hiding the file extension have?
Windows is meant to be usable by the mentally handicapped, like some of the folks I used to work with, who would come to me with "when I click document.mine, why won't it open?" I got those complaints from stupid co-workers and I'm sure MS got the same complaints.
Except now, it's "Hey! There are two copies of document.me, which one do I open?" I got that from my now-retired former boss. I shut off the stupid "hide extensions" so he could see that he had document.me.wpd and document.me.pdf.
At least with the former all I had to do was explain that the extension is how the document opens automagically.
If British English is so superior to American English, then why to you spell "trunk" b-o-o-t? I don't keep anything in boots except feet and socks, but trunks were around in carriages since before America was even discovered.
Having RTFA (I know), this planet is very close in to one of the stars, in this case Alpha Centauri B.
I wonder if there is another planet around A cen B slightly closer to it than Earth is from the sun? We may find life on our nearest neighbor star system. If such a planet exists, but is yet undiscovered, can we name it Tattooine?
I browse from a Linux box using free software and don't have to pay companies like Symantec to protect me.
I have a kubuntu box as well, but I don't have to pay Symantic or anyone else for AV on the Windows box, since there are quite a few free AVs that are superior to Norton and McAffee. One even comes from MS.
However, I agree -- if they had done a better job of writing Windows, it would need no AV. Windows is the only OS there is that needs AV. Microsoft should be ashamed of itself.
And why does his nickname matter when it comes to a bug report?
How seriously would Microsoft take a bug report from WindowsIsGarbage? LinuxIsGarbage is obviously a troll account. If his name was Hitler, well, maybe his name really is William R. Hitler. But LinuxIsGarbage is an obvious setup, and nobody in their right mind would even glance at a bug report from him.
Which seemingly begs the question, why are we running AV? AV is clearly useless. It seems the UAC is far better at keeping your equipment free of viruses.
This article confirms something I've suspected for a long time.
You can't get a license unless you can show that you're competent at the task. If you flunk your CDL you don't drive a big rig legally.
A licence is indication of competence.
Yes.