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The Pirate Bay Starts Using Virtualized Servers
concealment writes with news of those Swedish pirates improving their infrastructure. From the article: "The Pirate Bay has made an important change to its infrastructure. The world's most famous BitTorrent site has switched its entire operation to the cloud. From now on The Pirate Bay will serve its users from several cloud hosting providers scattered around the world. The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids — all while keeping user data secure."
They are still running their own dedicated load balancers that forward encrypted traffic to one of their "cloud" providers, rather than dealing with physical colocation. Seems like a sensible decision any IT manager would make.
Is there a tor hidden service TPB hosted from an undisclosed location?
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The move will cut costs, ensure better uptime, and make the site virtually invulnerable to police raids
Wanna bet on that?
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And your point is (besides the one on the top of your head)? Now, go sit in the corner untill you have a topic worthy of discussion. I've had far to much of the "holier then thou", slander them with drug use western attitude.
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Long live TPB
Now why does a site that is only used for legal purposes (hosting Linux ISOs is the usual excuse) need to be immune from police raids?
Now the (police,feds,both,etc) are going to shut down multiple cloud-hosting data centers just to prove they are still king. Watch. Just watch.
Does that affect my ISP's government-prescribed Piratebay blocking? I'm sure there are ways around that anyway, and people are likely to educate me about those below, but will this make any difference here (in the UK)?
Drugs must be good for innovation!
Well, you earned you paycheck for today, shill. Go take the rest of the day off and rest beside the pool.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
You work for the RIAA, right?
One of them is Microsoft Azure
You think they are using RAID5 or RAID10 to stop the police?
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Sounds like foggy thinking to me.
OK, maybe tor is not sufficiently secure for this.
How about i2p?
Isn't it time to move some of the torrent traffic to more secure channels? They may keep the site accessible on the normal net and in the same time make it available on i2p with some i2p trackers available only to i2p users. This would give a boost to i2p.
I think somebody has to start doing this. It's about time.
Is there any technical difficulty?
Mostly pointless. Just hijack thepiratebay.org and thepiratebay.se DNS registry and be done with it.
Because if anyone knows how to steal most effectively, it's "oh those dirty russians", as B-M likes to say !! And with this, you can move all torrent servers to russia, because, well, that is obvious !!
You can use the word "steal" all you want.
But as long as the artists still have their works, you're using the wrong word.
And when people are using it wrong on purpose, it makes me care just a little bit less every time.
This is actually good area to research for everyday organizations that are not about to be on the receiving end of a police raid. The reason is simple, the most common disaster (not failure) that strikes most servers is the legal subpoena. Can your business survive a legal subpoena that would take a large portion of your data?
This is not an idle consideration, it's actually a very common consideration. Places like OnTrack do far more business recovering data for legal services like subpoenas than they do with disk failures. You usually get a certain amount of time (couple weeks or so) to respond to a subpoena with the requested data. If you don't get the request filled in time, or if the other side convinces the judge you might mess with the data they will simply seize your servers / data by court order?
Can you survive this? If you can survive this scenario, than chances are you can recover from just about any other reasonable disaster you might encounter. The pirate bay scenario is one that should be studied from a disaster recovery standpoint, regardless of your stance on piracy.
Jealous much?
Is there an actual source for the claim that money are going to drugs and houses?
Hey look, I can STEAL your name by copying it: AcidPenguin9873
How does it feel to have your name stolen?
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
You're making the unsubstantiated leap from "TPB had an income" and "they have some money" to "their money came from TPB".
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Note I said "If what GP says is true". I obviously have no sources to cite to verify the original post. But the responder asked what his point was (in a rather snarky ill-mannered way) so I responded with the obvious answer.
It's obvious where your transit router is. They can monitor IP addresses, connection times and bandwidth to determine the load balancer. From the load balancer they can find the virtual machines which you use as muscle for the search engine and backend processing.
Any VM image can be accessed live. They can inject all the Trojans they want and track everything. But most importantly they can monitor where the admin commands come from. Have to assume they/you use tor or a botnet proxy. But everyone slips when it comes to security. Just takes one ping from a non anonymized computer to catch the scent. Then they can piece together all the admins one by one within three months.
Now of course there is more to your security than this. But let's not call your implementation here security.
What I would call it is robust and practical.
What I think would be more impressive is if you implemented your own voluntary cloud with all your willing users out there.
Pirates and Online Porn has always been at the forefront of internet technologies.
From here on out I am calling copyright infringement RAPE. Because, after all, that's how I want to frame it. Every time you infringe a copyright, you are raping the artist. And it should carry the same punishment of up to life in prison (or, as has been proposed in some states, death.) Because I say so.
Death to the artist-raping file-sharers!
Yeah, you go TPB. That just means more software for the taking without having to pay someone for it. It doesn't matter if it took you 2-3 years to make that new game, my first thought won't be, "How much is it?" but, "Where can I get the torrent?" And you'll help me find it.
To the guy who was asking how to get paid for free software, you want paid for something I can get for free? Hahahaha! Sucker. No one pays for software any more. We just take what we want because we don't care if you get paid or not.
Go TPB! Long live not having to pay someone for their efforts!
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
GP didn't actually say they got the money from TPB, just implied it.
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They need to have servers on the move, in vehicles, and high capacity SD cards, etc.
While I completely agree with making a strong distinction between depriving someone of their property/work/etc. and copyright infringement, there are still multiple definitions and uses of the word "steal" that still apply. This semantics argument has always been pathetic and uneducated - and to claim that you wouldn't pay attention to an otherwise legitimate argument simply because you disagree with word choice is ridiculously fallacious.
If you want to make a point use the right words. Semantics are not optional and much less irrelevant. If you are not even able to be precise in your arguments you should and will be ignored.
depriving someone of their property/work/etc. and copyright
Their copyrighted works IS their work.
The legal system has many words for different yet specific types of theft. Copyright infringement is a legal description of a specific type of theft.
Wrong. I'll fix it for you.
more software for the taking without having to pay someone for a copy of it.
No one pays for a copy of software any more.
And then you make this leap:
Long live not having to pay someone for their efforts!
On the contrary, we feel that creators deserve compensation for their efforts. Yes, many people do pirate and pay nothing. Many would pay something if it was possible, but often it is not, and that's the fault of industry. We disagree with the business model, that is, copyright and charging for each copy as the means of compensation.
Established businesses have sought to abuse this model to not pass on any savings whatsoever from technology driving down the cost of creating a copy to near zero. When the CD was first created, they set the price at $15 per album (LPs were about half that at the time), and promised that as production costs came down, they would pass some of that savings on to us. That never happened. Even as stacks of blank CD-Rs dived under $0.25 per disk, albums were still about $15, and to add to the insult, 90% of it was filler material to appease fans who really only wanted the one good song on the album. And then we hear that the industry cheats the very artists we're trying to support! As if that wasn't enough, they've tried to terrorize us all with lawsuits and police raids, attempted to infect our computers with viruses (Sony rootkit, you know), annoyed us with DRM that goes too far, pushed extreme laws that trample upon our freedoms (ACTA, SOPA, PIPA, DMCA, and more) and extended copyright to ludicrous lengths, and when they couldn't get their way by force, resorted to laughably bad propaganda. And they still think that preserving copyright justifies all their anti-social efforts and extremism. It took distribution of music in the mp3 format to break their schemes and force them to stop wasting money on things like all the elaborate anti-theft measures such as the oversized packaging and sensors for their precious disks, to say nothing of the disks themselves. They deserve to go out of business.
And you want to apologize for them?
Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
Except that it's not theft : it's infringment.
The simple reason is that the losses when copying something are as clear cut as stealing something. In fact, it's virtually impossible to determine the actual loses ( if you think every copy means a lost buy, you are way off ).
Maybe now they're saving money they can disable the 888 Poker pop-ups that occur when you click on anything on the site? So. Damn. Annoying.
What I don't like about TBP is how they were bank-rolled by a man who can be reasonably called a neo-nazi.
Imagine the outcry if Sony had somebody like Carl Lundstrom on their board.
Nobody thinks content providers don't deserve money. People resort to piracy for all sorts of reasons: availability, lack of funds, convenience, try-before-you-buy, etc. I don't think anyone pirates purely out of spite for someone, and if they did they'd be pretty darn stupid.
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6387721/Java_Alternative_Microsoft_MS_Java_Virtual_Machine_msjavavm50380
Mikhail Gorbechav uses MS Java instead of Sun. That's why he's so important.
Then whip up some competition. But stealing is not an option.
Use of the word "steal" to refer to copyright infringement was such an obvious troll on Slashdot, especially the way I wrote it, that I thought no one would bother responding to that part of it. Trust me, I know what copyright infringement is and I know how it's different than physical theft. This was a trollish (maybe childish? I don't care) joke to get a rise out of someone - so congrats, you won!
I tried to choke off this obvious troll-response that you made by being really, really snarky and insanely egregious about it. But alas, you made the obvious troll-response and got a +5 Informative.
Ah, Slashdot.
I'm not sure which part of 'being arrested and thrown in jail' you consider 'living the good life'.
I knew that ofcourse, just wanted to check if you did know it also!
I don't think anyone pirates purely out of spite for someone, and if they did they'd be pretty darn stupid.
And if they did, there is nothing you can do to chance them. It is stupid even to try to change them.
If what GP says is true, then TPB is making profits (via ad revnue) by enabling people to steal (yes, steal! I said STEAL when referring to copyright infringement!) the creations of others.
Mod me redundant because I and many others have often belabored this point, but AcidPengion is FUCKING WRONG and looks like an idiot.
Look, Penguin (please change your user name, you're making Linux users look bad), here's how copyright infringement works. I buy (BUY AND PAY FOR) a CD or DVD, make a copy and GIVE it to you. I have infringed copyright, you have not. You have stolen nothing; it was freely given. I have stolen nothing; I paid for my copy.
Now tell me, Acidhead, how has either party stolen anything?
Here's how you steal music -- you go into Best Buy and shoplift a CD. That is indeed stealing. Best Buy no longer has the CD they paid for, it's gone. If you're caught, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor and will pay a few hundred bucks in fines.
When you download a CD's worth of music you didn't steal that music, it was given to you. But say you're uploading and get caught -- that's copyright infringement. Nobody has lost anything, and will likely in fact produce sales, as one book publisher discovered when he commissioned a study to find out how much file sharing was costing him. Unlike stealing music, if you get caught infringing copyright you'll be out thousands of dollars.
They are profiting off of the work of the artists and creators without giving any of that money to the creators themselves.
If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.
I have yet to hear about TPB paying creators any money.
They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising. You're not going to pay for a song from a band you never heard, but if someone tells you about them and you DL their work, you're very likely to spend money on them unless they suck* -- money they would not have earned without the help of the Pirate Bay.
Now go tell your MAFIAA masters you failed in your shillage, tool.
* I do perfectly understand why a talentless hack would be against file sharing. The only way for them to make money is to sell you a pig in a poke.
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Mod me redundant because I and m...blah blah
See this post for a response to that. You have been trolled.
If I buy a used Ford, Ford makes no profit off my money. None at all. If I use that Ford to start a taxi company, I am profiting from Ford's work without giving Ford any of that money at all.
Your example applies to used CDs, used vinyl, used tapes. Used physical items. Not to digital music. There is no such thing as used digital music. You guys said it yourself - people aren't supposed to be able to "own" bits of information, so why on earth should I consider your used-physical-product example as relevant to this discussion?
They're giving the artists something for free that the artist would otherwise have to pay very large sums of money for -- advertising.
They are forcibly providing a means of distribution for their music. That's not advertising. If an artist wants to use recorded music as an advertisement for live shows, that's fine, but that's the artist's decision, not TPB's.
Hey, we tried to pay them!
We figured, if all we get is a mere copy (that took no work to make) of information (that took work to make),
we'd pay the same way: With a mere copy (that took no work to make) of out money (that took work to make).
Then they bitched and whined and blabbered about intellectual "property", as if they could "own" information,
despite physical evidence showing that that is ludicrous impossible concept, when you give out that information to *everyone*.
Then we found out, that the money doesn't even go to the original makers of said information, but merely to the *distributors*. Who, clearly, didn't move a *single finger* for it.
And we stopped caring about them and their organized crime.
Moral of the story: If you're too fuckin' stupid, to use a business model, that resides in *reality*... then go fuck yourself and die in a corner!
Cause nobody cares about you bitching and whining because you can't STEAL real actual *physical* money that took real work to make from people while doing ABSOLUTELY NO WORK IN RETURN!
The news that reach the outside world are these smug thieves' bullshit, and the stuff you don't hear about is even worse...
I wish they would fuck off already. Clearly the ones in power have an interest in this warez hub being online since they haven't done a thing to stop it. (Believe me -- they could take it down within minutes if they actually wanted to.)
Why? Because it is unfathomable that there can be both good and bad sides to a person?
I mean, (as far as I know atleast) he has never used TPB to promote his political agenda. Which I appreciate.
On the contrary, we feel that creators deserve compensation for their efforts. Yes, many people do pirate and pay nothing. Many would pay something if it was possible, but often it is not, and that's the fault of industry.
Show me any high ranking item on TPB that you can't buy. I'm not going to wait around while you try, I don't want to grow old and die, but I challenge you to find something on TPB that you can't buy legally fairly easy.
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God your an obnoxious douche aren't you?
You really feel better now that some secretary is going to get spammed forever thanks to your ignorant stunt?
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You cant blame for the illegality of it when most artist are not even given the choice at all. Monopolies and oligopolies are forcing people to live their ways, and other people is abusing the fact by breaking laws, stupid laws most of the time.
I'm positive, don't belive me look at my karma
I live in a city with a strong gaming development community. The business models are shifting, but the general trend is up rather then down.
Also, I sell some software. No DRM or anything. It is probably out there on a torrent somewhere. Do I care? Nope. I make money and I realize that most of the people who torrent it very likely would not buy it even if the torrent would't exist.
Copying has been an issue for commercial software development pretty much since the cassette tape. If you look at the world around you, it hasn't exactly killed the software industry.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Yeah, ranting can be fun at times.
In the real world, we so called "pirates" continue to pay more than most for our entertainment, including music, games and whatnot.
But don't let facts get in the way of your ranting. That would spoil the fun for you. And we can't have that.
Drugs are good you should try some.
The only drug problem is the state.
Wow, someone who understands the issue. Very rare.
People need to quit complaining about piracy its just an excuse to not take responsibility for your own success, crybaby attitudes.
You mod him as troll, he should be modded as insightful as the guy I am posting below has said nothing but truth the entire way. smooth wombat did a troll post and it was actually modded as insightful while this got troll.....
Yes, many use it for piracy, but not all of them.
Your example applies to used CDs, used vinyl, used tapes. Used physical items. Not to digital music. There is no such thing as used digital music. You guys said it yourself - people aren't supposed to be able to "own" bits of information, so why on earth should I consider your used-physical-product example as relevant to this discussion?
You might want to check out ReDigi before making that assertion again.This one is already wending its way through the court system (Capitol Records brought the suit).
"[I]t is a wise man who admits the limits of his knowledge or skill, and that pretending either causes harm." --Terry Go
If your budget has enough money to buy 4 games per year, does it matter if you play only 4 games or you play 10 games? Money is finite, where as software is effectively infinite, how much you can use is limited by your free time. No piracy means I might buy 10 games for my console and pirate 0, while with piracy, I would buy 10 games for my console, and pirate another 100, most of those aren't worth playing though and won't be played more than once or twice.
Another example. No piracy means i have to go use a shared computer, that isn't available all the time, and it's a mac, to use something like Adobe Illustrator, because it has a licensed copy. With piracy, I can use the windows PC at my desk anytime I want. Either way, Adobe was paid for one license. You can't just magically make more money appear in your budget to buy every single person their own license. We are using taxpayer money, do you want us to buy 30 copies of Adobe Illustrator despite the fact that we are only using maybe 1-3 copies at a time? And hence have less money to spend on more useful work? Or do you want to punish our productivity, by making access to software inconvenient? Or, should we buy 0 copies of Adobe products and suffer using inferior open source software? Either way, no piracy reduces the amount of contribution we make back to the taxpayers.
Why do you seem to think that the alternative to piracy is to buy everything? Most of the time, probably over 90% of the time, the alternative to piracy is to go without. How does going without help the developer/creator?
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looks like someone's feelings were hurt. developers need to start from here on out with the idea that people are going to pirate stuff. make it free in the first place and find a different way to make money. stop fighting against the way technology moves. bit-torrent technology is amazing. as time goes on people figure out new ways to do stuff and its time for the producers of software/movies/music to realize that they are prey and move on to a different business model.
this weak argument has been done to death. you know damn well what the poster really meant and the wording doesnt change the impact. grow up child.
goods not paid for and acquired via illegal means is what is happening.
Give it back to meeee!
I feel so violated.
uhu i wonder why he forgot the childporn pedophile sextourism accusation for thailand there
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
I download a ton of stuff but I still pay for software. In the last few years I've bought copies of Windows, SolveiggMM Video Splitter, Xplorer2, and FeedDemon. I have a few pieces of cracked software but most of my other stuff is free/open. The cracked software is stuff I rarely use. People do pay for stuff still, but people download for multiple reasons. I still go to the movies for big budget movies but most small stuff I have little interest in I download. I also download TV shows because I like to watch shows from the beginning and I want to watch them on my media center using my remote control. I refuse to use DRM or iTunes. Since Netflix now offers streaming shows and such it's less of a necessity.
I also write software and although I haven't released anything for public use yet (just private companies), when I do, I plan to use a model which implements a free edition and a pro edition. The pro features will offer features that will be implemented in the next edition or will be minor improvements over the free edition, convenience features or something. I'll implement a fair use license (no DRM, free for personal use on unlimited systems, all upgrades up to major revisions) and I might use a donation system for pro features with a minimum value pre-set. Pro users would also be able to vote on new features and such. I've heard of people having good success with models such as this. Plus I feel it's fair enough that most people will buy a licence for the pro features.