A free society. The end of aging and disease. A culture of thinking.
And you think Romney could bring that about??? Wow... that's pretty deluded.
Are you trying to claim that there's an excuse somewhere in that sentence for why Obama is incompetent?
Where's the indication of Obama's incompetence? The fact that he didn't clean up the horrible mess that took Bush eight years to make in half that time? Considering that the Republicans in Congress considered their #1 job to be defeating him this election, I'd say he did a hell of a job so far.
Those employees didn't work for him. They worked for the failing companies that Bain Capital took over.
Romney was head of Bain, Bain bought ("took over") those companies and fired the workers. It takes a REALLY partisan stretch, almost as bad as an iFan's reality distortion field, to not see that Romney, being head of the company that fired those people, fired them.
The human (and probably other animals) brain corrects color. You won't notice the difference in color temperature between 8:00am and 10:0am unless you're specifically looking for it. If you're old enough to remember film photography, when you bought color film you had a choice between indoor and outdoor film, because of the color difference between indoor lighting (which was almost all incandescant then) and outdoor lighting. Use outdoor film indoors and all the colors were way too warm to be realistic. Use indoor film outdoors and the color was way too cool (bluish).
What ever happened to plain ICONS on the dashboard? When did we start adding words, AND WHY?
Back in the pre-globalization days, there were no icons, only words. I hate to say this, kid, but those of us who actually know how to read fucking HATE icons.
What's worse is the lack of tactile feedback. Used to be you only had to read the word once, then you knew that knob was for the headlights, this knob is the wipers, this knob the heater fan... you didn't have to take your eyes off the road AT ALL.
I'm blind you insensitive clods, the typeface in all cars should be braille and nothing else.
That was only humorous because it's so close to the truth. I'm not sure if it's still that way, but when I had my eye operation, the elevator buttons in the parking garage were marked in braille.
Why in the hell would you have braille elevator buttons in the parking garage? Why would a blind person be in the parking garage without someone with him? he certainly didn't drive there!
But the funniest part was that the elevator buttons in the hospital itself had no braille markings, only in the parking garage!
Because 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' is just so fucking difficult.
Most distros are far easier than that even. The installer will see that Windows or another Linux distro is on the machine, and specifically ASK if you want to use the whole disk or just the Windows free space. "Accidentally" using the whole disk on an install would take an unthinkable act of drunken incompetence.
Using your highway system example, driving is a privilege granted by the government to use their roads, not a right.
When drivers licenses were first implimented, automobiles were toys for the rich and indeed, you didn't have one unless you were already priveleged.
Just as they have implemented laws and rules and restrictions on driving, they could easily do so on the internet.
If there had been cars around in 1776 the Founding Fathers might have enshrined driving in the Bill of Rights, but they would still be able to fine you for speeding, driving drunk, or on the wrong side of the road -- they just couldn't tale your license away.
Given how the 1st amendment is completely unambiguous (there is a slight ambiguity about he second), I don't see any way they could censor speech.
We would end up paying as much or more as we do now in registration fees and licensing
I doubt it. Here in Springfield, the power company is onwed and operated by the city. We have the lowest rates, lowest downtime, and best customer service in the state, and it still earns a profit for the city. The reason for the low rates, low uptime, and customer service are simple: If you're stuck with the private Amerin, you have no recourse; government regs are all that keep them from gouging their captive customers. No need for good customer service, it isn't like they can get their electricity somewhere else. But if CWLP service suffers, Springfield gets a new Mayor the next election.
It amuses me to see folks distrust a corporation and turn to the government as if the people in a government job are somehow more moral or ethical than those in private sector.
You're not thinking it through. Look at the difference between CWLP and Amerin. Both are electrical monopolies in Illinois. CWLP is run by the city of Springfield, Amerin is a publically held company. CWLP has the lowest electric rates in the state, the least downtime, and the best customer service. Why? Because Amerin in not beholden to its customers, who are captive and can't just go down the street and find anoter electric company. Amerin is only beholden to the shareholders. So rates are high, they do as little maintenance as possible, and have no need for good customer service -- customer service is usually to keep your customers from going somewhere else.
If CWLP rates go up too much or service goes down too much, the Mayor loses his job. It isn't a matter of him being more ethical than Amerin's CEO, it's a matter of accountability and who you are accountable to.
However, I do agree that government has no place in cybersecurity, other than to write regulations preventing corporations who you don't vote for and have no stake in from releasing your private info. I wish they WOULD write those regs.
I gave Red Hat a try around 1997, it wasn't working for me too well, even though I'd read a 1000 page UNIX manual.
Around 2000 I tried again, this time with Debian and Suse. I had hardware issues with both.
About 2002 I tried Mandrake and loved it. Then they changed it to "Mandriva" so I thought I'd try a different distro just because I hated teh name "Mandriva". I don't remember what distro, but it used Gnome and I hated it, went back to Mandriva, and used it for years.
Then a few years ago rumors were Mandriva was dying, Ubuntu had come along but I never bothered because it used Gnome, and then discovered kubuntu.
So far, that's what I'm using. It's the most useable OS I've tried, head and shoulders above any flavor of Windows. As I haven't used an Apple computer since the IIe days, I can't compare them with Linux.
Well, if you made a bad business decision, to be frank that's your problem
Agreed, that's why I'm paying $45 per month for unlimited everything.
Perhaps this is unique to the Swedish marketplace
From what I've read, all you folks in Europe are a lot luckier than us in the US when it comes to phones. You get the phones cheaper, don't get locked into a carrier, and pay far lower rates if what I've read is to be believed. It's pretty bad here in the US.
The "same spectrum as daylight" is bogus. The color of daylight varies greatly, warmer (colorwise) in the morning and evening and cooler at noon, cooler still if it's cloudy. A candle better approximates the color of light at sunset than an incandescant bulb does. An incandescant matches the color of natural light at 8:00 am, the CFL matches it at noon. The candle matches it at sunset.
First of all, one has to justify one's work on the basis of value produced.
What can be more valuable than a well trained workforce? Maybe lower poverty?
Romney's history with Bain Capital shows that he was very good for Bain Capital and made them a lot of money.
Where is the value to society of making rich people even richer? Where's the value to ME? There is none. On the other hand, the fewer poor people there are the better off we all are.
Similarly, it looks like he treated the people that worked for him generously.
Then why did he famously say "I like firing people"?
This brings us to the second advantage of business. A variety of work experiences that are useful to a president.
Bush's business experience sure didn't help the company (he was an MBA as well). He inhereted a balanced budget and left office with the highest defecit the nation had ever seen. He went into office during a boom, left with the country near economic depression. And you think Romney, with the same kind of background, would be any better?
You know what Einstein said about insanity.
Ultimately, when we compare Obama and Romney, we see that Obama's work experience might have familiarized him with some of the political issues of the day, it has done nothing to help prepare him for running a government. This is reflected in the general incompetence of his administration.
Incompetence? He came into office with the country in shambles, in worse shape than I've seen it in my six decades of living. We were in two wars, the man who was responsible for 911 was still at large, the stock market had crashed, the housing market had crashed, and we were in the worst recession in my lifetime. We're now out of Iran, getting out of Afghanistan, Bin Laden is dead, the economy is turning around. Obama's head and shoulders above the previous President, the worst I've seen in my life and possibly in America's history. I never thought I'd see a worse President han Carter, but Bush proved me wrong. Obama's only problem is he's no Bill Clinton. He's far more competent than either Bush Sr, more competent than Ford, WAY more competent than Bush II and Carter.
And I'm no partisan, my Presidential voting record is Nixon (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R), Reagan (R), whoever ran against Bush (D), whoever ran against Clinton (R), Clinton (D), Gore (D), Kerry (D), Badnarik (L).
have you ever voted for a Democrat? If not, there's not much point to this conversation.
I'm looking forward to affordable LEDs myself. Even better energy efficiency and longer life than CFLs.
I started using CFLs in 2000 when I bought a house with 12 foot ceilings and got tired of dragging the ladder out every six months. Before long even the table lamps had CFLs.
I respect people despite their believing them, and respect the fact that that's what they were taught and what they believe. To hold someone in contempt for their beliefs is to be judgemental, and Christians aren't allowed to be judgemental.
You just lost all of my respect.
That's fine, I get plenty from most everyone else.
Off of his wanting to lower the taxes on the rich, who are already paying a lower percentage than the middle class. He's a rich man born with a silver spoon up his nose who has no idea how normal people live or what problems we all have just trying to make ends meet.
I'm looking forward to the debate next Wednesday. I think Romney will have his ass handed to him.
Where did I advocate a complete return to the 1900's-1920's era?
You didn't. I said that if you wanted to have the same sized Federal government as the 1900s you would have to go back to the same population and technologies as then. I really doubt that's what you'd like to see, but it would be necessary to have the government as small as then.
I do think the federal government could be pared down; the military is way too big, the ATF was obsoleted by the end of prohibition and should be disbanded, the drug laws should be repealed, the FDA should regulate heroin like it does corn flakes and cigarettes, and the DEA should be disbanded. TSA should be abolished, as well as all of Homeland Security except for FEMA.
Its not telling me not to call you out for stealing the candy bar
Indeed it isn't. If you see someone stealing a candy bar, the bible says to confront them verbally and politely. That's not judging a person. Saying "that guy's a fag and should be burned at the stake" is being judgemental.
"In other words, given the bible calls out both homosexuality as well as adultery and stealing, you have no right to call out a person for homosexuality if you are committing adultery or theft."
True. Exactly true.
John 7:24
You took that out of context. Here is the context that you must take the statement in:
19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? 20The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee? 21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If they are so horrible, then why do you need a ban?
Because they ARE bad, and people are stupid and waste dollars to save dimes. Incandescants cost five times less than CFLs is why people buy them, despite the fact that they only last 1/5th - 1/10th as long and use 3-4 times the electricity.
Then there's Big Energy brainwashing people against CFLs so they can make more money, and stupid people swallow it.
The pollution from the extra needed electricity for an incandescant affects us all.
I never mentioned irrigation, and in fact I saw no fields being irrigated.
Patented bred strains are bad enough.
You can't patent a cross breeding, only the techniques you use to do it, not the seed or DNA itself; only GM seed is patented.
Just let some of your neighbors "corn" wind up in your field. Wheat too. Been happening since I was a boy. Random sampling then lawsuits.
Not with crossbred strains, only GM. And the one case I know of was a farmer who planted normal crossbred strains next to his neighbor's Roundup-ready GM corn, sprayed the whole field with Roundup, then kept the seed that the Roundup didn't kill -- the guy was very dishonest and deserved what he got. Cite another if you can.
Farmers should be able to save a seed crop.
They can, but seldom want to -- it's more cost-effective for them to buy seed from other farmers who do research and grow only seed; they get better yields and more money.
There is something to be said for natural evolution and even local digestive systems.
We've been carefully breeding and crossbreeding plants and animals for millinea.
I'd say life on another planet isn't just a possibility, but a statistical certainty
I'd say that the liklihood of us being the only life is remote, but not certain. And if there is life out there, it may well be that we simply don't find it, because it was here long before us, long after we become extinct, or just too damned far away (which would be any galaxy except our own).
There may be something special about his rock. We just don't know. Until we find life elsewhere, there is no life elsewhere.
Conventional cases with front-to-back cooling are wasting energy doing work that convection would do for them if they had a bottom-to-top airflow.
I beg to differ. Last summer I burned out TWO stereo receivers just by sitting on the porch and listening to rock and roll. When teh music stopped they were too hot to touch. Putting a fan on the next one!
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A free society. The end of aging and disease. A culture of thinking.
And you think Romney could bring that about??? Wow... that's pretty deluded.
Are you trying to claim that there's an excuse somewhere in that sentence for why Obama is incompetent?
Where's the indication of Obama's incompetence? The fact that he didn't clean up the horrible mess that took Bush eight years to make in half that time? Considering that the Republicans in Congress considered their #1 job to be defeating him this election, I'd say he did a hell of a job so far.
Those employees didn't work for him. They worked for the failing companies that Bain Capital took over.
Romney was head of Bain, Bain bought ("took over") those companies and fired the workers. It takes a REALLY partisan stretch, almost as bad as an iFan's reality distortion field, to not see that Romney, being head of the company that fired those people, fired them.
The human (and probably other animals) brain corrects color. You won't notice the difference in color temperature between 8:00am and 10:0am unless you're specifically looking for it. If you're old enough to remember film photography, when you bought color film you had a choice between indoor and outdoor film, because of the color difference between indoor lighting (which was almost all incandescant then) and outdoor lighting. Use outdoor film indoors and all the colors were way too warm to be realistic. Use indoor film outdoors and the color was way too cool (bluish).
What ever happened to plain ICONS on the dashboard? When did we start adding words, AND WHY?
Back in the pre-globalization days, there were no icons, only words. I hate to say this, kid, but those of us who actually know how to read fucking HATE icons.
What's worse is the lack of tactile feedback. Used to be you only had to read the word once, then you knew that knob was for the headlights, this knob is the wipers, this knob the heater fan... you didn't have to take your eyes off the road AT ALL.
Now? Stupid kids...
I'm blind you insensitive clods, the typeface in all cars should be braille and nothing else.
That was only humorous because it's so close to the truth. I'm not sure if it's still that way, but when I had my eye operation, the elevator buttons in the parking garage were marked in braille.
Why in the hell would you have braille elevator buttons in the parking garage? Why would a blind person be in the parking garage without someone with him? he certainly didn't drive there!
But the funniest part was that the elevator buttons in the hospital itself had no braille markings, only in the parking garage!
I spotted a typo: that's spelled "awful," not "awesome."
Because 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' is just so fucking difficult.
Most distros are far easier than that even. The installer will see that Windows or another Linux distro is on the machine, and specifically ASK if you want to use the whole disk or just the Windows free space. "Accidentally" using the whole disk on an install would take an unthinkable act of drunken incompetence.
Nah, it's 88.3 Mz!
Using your highway system example, driving is a privilege granted by the government to use their roads, not a right.
When drivers licenses were first implimented, automobiles were toys for the rich and indeed, you didn't have one unless you were already priveleged.
Just as they have implemented laws and rules and restrictions on driving, they could easily do so on the internet.
If there had been cars around in 1776 the Founding Fathers might have enshrined driving in the Bill of Rights, but they would still be able to fine you for speeding, driving drunk, or on the wrong side of the road -- they just couldn't tale your license away.
Given how the 1st amendment is completely unambiguous (there is a slight ambiguity about he second), I don't see any way they could censor speech.
We would end up paying as much or more as we do now in registration fees and licensing
I doubt it. Here in Springfield, the power company is onwed and operated by the city. We have the lowest rates, lowest downtime, and best customer service in the state, and it still earns a profit for the city. The reason for the low rates, low uptime, and customer service are simple: If you're stuck with the private Amerin, you have no recourse; government regs are all that keep them from gouging their captive customers. No need for good customer service, it isn't like they can get their electricity somewhere else. But if CWLP service suffers, Springfield gets a new Mayor the next election.
It amuses me to see folks distrust a corporation and turn to the government as if the people in a government job are somehow more moral or ethical than those in private sector.
You're not thinking it through. Look at the difference between CWLP and Amerin. Both are electrical monopolies in Illinois. CWLP is run by the city of Springfield, Amerin is a publically held company. CWLP has the lowest electric rates in the state, the least downtime, and the best customer service. Why? Because Amerin in not beholden to its customers, who are captive and can't just go down the street and find anoter electric company. Amerin is only beholden to the shareholders. So rates are high, they do as little maintenance as possible, and have no need for good customer service -- customer service is usually to keep your customers from going somewhere else.
If CWLP rates go up too much or service goes down too much, the Mayor loses his job. It isn't a matter of him being more ethical than Amerin's CEO, it's a matter of accountability and who you are accountable to.
However, I do agree that government has no place in cybersecurity, other than to write regulations preventing corporations who you don't vote for and have no stake in from releasing your private info. I wish they WOULD write those regs.
I gave Red Hat a try around 1997, it wasn't working for me too well, even though I'd read a 1000 page UNIX manual.
Around 2000 I tried again, this time with Debian and Suse. I had hardware issues with both.
About 2002 I tried Mandrake and loved it. Then they changed it to "Mandriva" so I thought I'd try a different distro just because I hated teh name "Mandriva". I don't remember what distro, but it used Gnome and I hated it, went back to Mandriva, and used it for years.
Then a few years ago rumors were Mandriva was dying, Ubuntu had come along but I never bothered because it used Gnome, and then discovered kubuntu.
So far, that's what I'm using. It's the most useable OS I've tried, head and shoulders above any flavor of Windows. As I haven't used an Apple computer since the IIe days, I can't compare them with Linux.
In Illinois you can't place a campaign sign closer than 100 feet to the polling place, and iirc you can't even wear a campaign button while voting.
Well, if you made a bad business decision, to be frank that's your problem
Agreed, that's why I'm paying $45 per month for unlimited everything.
Perhaps this is unique to the Swedish marketplace
From what I've read, all you folks in Europe are a lot luckier than us in the US when it comes to phones. You get the phones cheaper, don't get locked into a carrier, and pay far lower rates if what I've read is to be believed. It's pretty bad here in the US.
The "same spectrum as daylight" is bogus. The color of daylight varies greatly, warmer (colorwise) in the morning and evening and cooler at noon, cooler still if it's cloudy. A candle better approximates the color of light at sunset than an incandescant bulb does. An incandescant matches the color of natural light at 8:00 am, the CFL matches it at noon. The candle matches it at sunset.
First of all, one has to justify one's work on the basis of value produced.
What can be more valuable than a well trained workforce? Maybe lower poverty?
Romney's history with Bain Capital shows that he was very good for Bain Capital and made them a lot of money.
Where is the value to society of making rich people even richer? Where's the value to ME? There is none. On the other hand, the fewer poor people there are the better off we all are.
Similarly, it looks like he treated the people that worked for him generously.
Then why did he famously say "I like firing people"?
This brings us to the second advantage of business. A variety of work experiences that are useful to a president.
Bush's business experience sure didn't help the company (he was an MBA as well). He inhereted a balanced budget and left office with the highest defecit the nation had ever seen. He went into office during a boom, left with the country near economic depression. And you think Romney, with the same kind of background, would be any better?
You know what Einstein said about insanity.
Ultimately, when we compare Obama and Romney, we see that Obama's work experience might have familiarized him with some of the political issues of the day, it has done nothing to help prepare him for running a government. This is reflected in the general incompetence of his administration.
Incompetence? He came into office with the country in shambles, in worse shape than I've seen it in my six decades of living. We were in two wars, the man who was responsible for 911 was still at large, the stock market had crashed, the housing market had crashed, and we were in the worst recession in my lifetime. We're now out of Iran, getting out of Afghanistan, Bin Laden is dead, the economy is turning around. Obama's head and shoulders above the previous President, the worst I've seen in my life and possibly in America's history. I never thought I'd see a worse President han Carter, but Bush proved me wrong. Obama's only problem is he's no Bill Clinton. He's far more competent than either Bush Sr, more competent than Ford, WAY more competent than Bush II and Carter.
And I'm no partisan, my Presidential voting record is Nixon (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R), Reagan (R), whoever ran against Bush (D), whoever ran against Clinton (R), Clinton (D), Gore (D), Kerry (D), Badnarik (L).
have you ever voted for a Democrat? If not, there's not much point to this conversation.
Close, I'm on Boost, also owned by Sprint. I can't see how I'm getting less than Sprint's retail service, since I'm getting unlimited everything.
I'm looking forward to affordable LEDs myself. Even better energy efficiency and longer life than CFLs.
I started using CFLs in 2000 when I bought a house with 12 foot ceilings and got tired of dragging the ladder out every six months. Before long even the table lamps had CFLs.
And you respect people for believing them?
I respect people despite their believing them, and respect the fact that that's what they were taught and what they believe. To hold someone in contempt for their beliefs is to be judgemental, and Christians aren't allowed to be judgemental.
You just lost all of my respect.
That's fine, I get plenty from most everyone else.
And you base this off of....... what?
Off of his wanting to lower the taxes on the rich, who are already paying a lower percentage than the middle class. He's a rich man born with a silver spoon up his nose who has no idea how normal people live or what problems we all have just trying to make ends meet.
I'm looking forward to the debate next Wednesday. I think Romney will have his ass handed to him.
Indeed it does. God loves everyone, even homosexuals. He hates the evil that we all do, as should we.
Where did I advocate a complete return to the 1900's-1920's era?
You didn't. I said that if you wanted to have the same sized Federal government as the 1900s you would have to go back to the same population and technologies as then. I really doubt that's what you'd like to see, but it would be necessary to have the government as small as then.
I do think the federal government could be pared down; the military is way too big, the ATF was obsoleted by the end of prohibition and should be disbanded, the drug laws should be repealed, the FDA should regulate heroin like it does corn flakes and cigarettes, and the DEA should be disbanded. TSA should be abolished, as well as all of Homeland Security except for FEMA.
Its not telling me not to call you out for stealing the candy bar
Indeed it isn't. If you see someone stealing a candy bar, the bible says to confront them verbally and politely. That's not judging a person. Saying "that guy's a fag and should be burned at the stake" is being judgemental.
"In other words, given the bible calls out both homosexuality as well as adultery and stealing, you have no right to call out a person for homosexuality if you are committing adultery or theft."
True. Exactly true.
John 7:24
You took that out of context. Here is the context that you must take the statement in:
19Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? 20The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: who goeth about to kill thee? 21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
If they are so horrible, then why do you need a ban?
Because they ARE bad, and people are stupid and waste dollars to save dimes. Incandescants cost five times less than CFLs is why people buy them, despite the fact that they only last 1/5th - 1/10th as long and use 3-4 times the electricity.
Then there's Big Energy brainwashing people against CFLs so they can make more money, and stupid people swallow it.
The pollution from the extra needed electricity for an incandescant affects us all.
Well how nice for you and your irrigation
I never mentioned irrigation, and in fact I saw no fields being irrigated.
Patented bred strains are bad enough.
You can't patent a cross breeding, only the techniques you use to do it, not the seed or DNA itself; only GM seed is patented.
Just let some of your neighbors "corn" wind up in your field. Wheat too. Been happening since I was a boy. Random sampling then lawsuits.
Not with crossbred strains, only GM. And the one case I know of was a farmer who planted normal crossbred strains next to his neighbor's Roundup-ready GM corn, sprayed the whole field with Roundup, then kept the seed that the Roundup didn't kill -- the guy was very dishonest and deserved what he got. Cite another if you can.
Farmers should be able to save a seed crop.
They can, but seldom want to -- it's more cost-effective for them to buy seed from other farmers who do research and grow only seed; they get better yields and more money.
There is something to be said for natural evolution and even local digestive systems.
We've been carefully breeding and crossbreeding plants and animals for millinea.
I'd say life on another planet isn't just a possibility, but a statistical certainty
I'd say that the liklihood of us being the only life is remote, but not certain. And if there is life out there, it may well be that we simply don't find it, because it was here long before us, long after we become extinct, or just too damned far away (which would be any galaxy except our own).
There may be something special about his rock. We just don't know. Until we find life elsewhere, there is no life elsewhere.
Conventional cases with front-to-back cooling are wasting energy doing work that convection would do for them if they had a bottom-to-top airflow.
I beg to differ. Last summer I burned out TWO stereo receivers just by sitting on the porch and listening to rock and roll. When teh music stopped they were too hot to touch. Putting a fan on the next one!