People could probably read the article to find this out but.....
Basically, what the legal argument was is that once you put your trash out on the curb it becomes public property and thus the police do not need a search warrent to look through it because EVERYONE supposidely has the right to go through it. (I wonder if that makes dumpster diving legal in Oregon?)
This has been used in numerous cases, but it became more public when it was used against a fellow police officer. What was probably going on with her was office politics motivated people to just look for any excuse to get her fired.
Anyway, since the argument than everyone, and not just the police, have the right to go through your trash, the WW decided to test this out on Mayor Katz, Chief Kroker (Left hand man of Chief Daryl Gates back in the day), and the DA. The DA actually had a sense of humor about it but Kats was royally pissed, and also threatened criminal charges.
I think Kats even had a press conferance about it which brought in the big daily newspaper to report on what happened etc.
I just wanted to play long enough to find the secret room and then get a whole lot of food and um.... the stuff that made you stronger, faster etc.
It was an addictive game. Was that the first one with a continue function of sorts? It was a fun game in and of itself but the continue function is one of the worst things to happen to video games. As I got older I found kids whos parents would give them unlimited quarters (I had a good growing up, but I had to earn my quarters and they were precious. My Precious....)
You would be playing a game and all of a sudden a little squirt would join in and use no strategy whatsoever and get you killed.
Anyway, I love living in a state with no sales tax. I think how the law is supposed to work is you pay sales tax to the state you live in. So theoretically, when you buy mailorder from another state and don't pay sales tax, you are supposed to report that on your state income tax form to pay your sales tax.
Also, when you travel to another state you are not supposed to pay the other state's income tax. When I go to Washington I can show them my Oregon ID in most places and not have to pay sales tax. But then recently I traveled to the mid-west and asked if they could do this and they just got really confused.
Now if the new laws propose that they charge sales tax based on the seller's state then that really isn't much of a change in the law. It is just like Mailorder has worked for years and years, and the way that a lot of internet retails already work. It also has a simple solution for companies with no brick and motar stores: Move the company to Oregon. (And give me a job!)
If the new laws propose that the sales tax is charged based on the buyer, but that the seller has to collect and account for the taxes then that will be one bug f@&*ing nightmare. Could you imagine having to keep track of the different sales tax rates for the 48 states (I think) that have sales taxes, and then to file a tax report to all of those 48 states? And what if you get audited. Not fun.
Hopefully, as some have suggested, such a law would be a violation of interstate commerce, and more companies will move to Oregon.
Well, as a Coke lover, it looks like I am not going to be drinking Coke anytime soon. I would rather lose (or be dead in the case of GPS in cell phones which I have complained about before) a contest than be tracked by a third-party.
I prefer Coke to Pepsi, but like RC better than both, and like Blue Sky better than RC. But then only hippies drink Blue Sky so I couldn't possibly drink it myself. It is a good thing that I don't drink soda anymore anyway.
I kicked the soda habit years ago and am very happy. It saves lots of money and I need to cut down on sugar anyway. I get too much sugar even without drinking soda.
In the Good Spam vs. Bad Spam argument I think the analogy would be that "Good Spam" is like Grey Water. It is Nasty, but not nearly as nasty as Sewage.
I'm still not going to buy it. Getting "Good Spam" is kinda like someone leaving a barrel of grey water on your front doorstep.
That's why I like Gothic/Industrial music. No, that's not right. I like the music in and of itself. But anyway, here are a couple of excerpts from You Might Be A Goth If....
# You are happy when no one has ever heard of your favorite band # When someone else "discovers" your favorite band, you find another favorite band # You refer to others as "The Normals"
(Yes, it is elitest, but I at least have a sense of humor about it. The trick is to have humor about the elitism and not take it seriously.)
And I think it was in a different "list" that was something like, you might be in an industrial band if....
# No one wants to play lead guitar, and everyone is fighting over the neumatic drill.
(But personally, I think most of the Vampire stuff is silly. (But then I do like Buffy.) (But I resisted watching Buffy for years.))
I will not buy music before I've heard it. Bt where can I hear stuff outside the mainstream? Not on the radio (they won't play them), and not in the record store.
Maybe it is just where I live, but in Portland Oregon the locally owned record stores have no problem with you listening to new CDs before you buy them.
(In particular, I like Ozone, Everyday Music, Djangos and Timbuktunes.)
It has gotten to the point that the few times that I do go into a big chain record store I'm suprised that they won't let me listen to something before I buy it. But then that just encourages me more to put my money into the local economy.
Timbuktunes is one of my more recent finds. It is a tiny little shop that specializes in World Music but they have a good selection of New Musik. Whenever I go there I usually spend an hour or two chatting with the owner, listening to stuff, going off on tangents and often discovering lots of new stuff that I had never heard of before.
Number one, you can't write off sales tax. You can write off state income tax, you can write off property tax, but you cannot write off sales tax. (I would rather my taxes go locally than to the fed, in general.)
Number two, it is f#&$ing annoying. It is annoying to the customer because you have to have a calculator to figure out how much something costs. And it is annoying to businesses because they have to collect, and keep track of, and pay all the sales tax they collect.
I live in Oregon where there is no sales tax and I love it. Theoretically, you are not supposed to pay other state's sales tax. When I went to Seattle I could show them my Oregon ID and not have to pay it. But if I try that in just about any other state they look at you like you are from Marz.
Oh, and at least with Income and Property tax you know how much taxes you are paying. When you are paying Sales tax.... does anyone have any idea how much they pay in sales tax in a year.
And that's why Sales Tax Sucks!
(And why more internet companies should set up shop in Oregon so that they don't have to bother with it.) (Not to mention so that I can get a new job.)
remember kids that the majority of americans & the congress & senate voted to go after iraq...also bush isn't the 1st or only one who said iraq had wmd and saddam was a threat...remember these?
Not to mention how Clinton continually interrupted the inspections proccess by repeatedly bombing Iraq. According to Scott Ritter 95% of the WMD had been accounted for and the only reason they were not able to complete the job was because Clinton would not let them.
Does anyone have any documentation on how many times Clinton bombed Iraq? The exact dates would be nice too. Not to mention how much money those bombing runs cost us. F*#&ing liberals wasting our taxpayer dollars on a scumbag like Saddam Hussein!
(What does this have to do with the Segway anyway?)
OK, thanks for the referances. As I said, information is a good thing.
I'll have to read thru this stuff but do you know offhand if about 90-95% of the list was incorrect, that DBT/ChoicePoint got paid 2.3 Million Dollars (Up from $5,700), and that DBT didn't use its own databases to compile the data?
I know those would not neccessarily prove anything, but I am currious as this is also claimed by Palast etc.
I'm also curious who did commision DBT, and what interactions Katherine Harris had with them before the 2000 election.
I don't trust Democrats any further than I can throw them, but that's not much more than I trust Republicans. I don't want either party f#$*ing with the elections proccess, so to speak.
(And this reply is partly to keep a link in my last 24 replies so that I can check out your links. I suppose it would make too much sense to just bookmark it.)
Because it isn't a conspiracy, and if you are not careful in the way you explain something it might end up sounding like one. Also....
AND A DUMB FUCK LIKE YOU REFUSES TO OPEN YOUR EYES!
is kind of an ad hominem attack. Please refrain from that. It is rather pointless.
Anyway, returning to the question of media, it is more a matter of simple economics than consipracy, although part of it is jornalistic lazyness. It is not so much a matter of the mainstream loves big corporations as it is that the mainstream media is made up of big corporations. Very few corporations, and getting smaller with media consolidation.
News reports that reflect badly on advertisers or the parent company are generally frowned upon. They are usually not outright censored, but more self-censored. It is bad for business and people who hurt the bottom line don't get promoted etc.
As to the lazyness factor, just look at how predicable the news is: Weather, sports, fluffy puppy story, and a horrible crime or accident. With the "big headline" news usually all the news channels will report on the same thing that they think is going to be the biggest scoop, ignoring everything else. And has anyone else noticed how many national stories there are on the local news, even when it was reported on the national news program of the same channel?
As for the topic at hand, we need a voting system that can be evaulated beforehand as well as audited after the election. I don't want fraudulent elections from either the Republicans or the Democrats. As bad as politics is now, just imagine how corrupt either party would be without any accountability to the voters whatsoever.
Republicans and Democrats may not be exactly the same, but on the whole seem to be equally corrupt. There are exeptions but those seem to be few and far between.
I guess I'll have to read about The Chaplinsky decision but....
Why is commercial speech fundamentally different?
How about because corporations are not people. Not to mention that whole Truth in Advertising concept.
I worry that the trend is the other way. That corporations have more rights and less responsibility that human beings. But then I still need to read up about The Southern Pacific Railroad decision of 1886, which supposidly estabilished Corporate Personhood.
The telemarketer's customer has expectations, and they can close the contract or whatever if it isn't satisfied. The telemarketing company has to obey labor laws on the other hand. Maybe they pay minimum wage with commissions for sales.
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People could probably read the article to find this out but.....
Basically, what the legal argument was is that once you put your trash out on the curb it becomes public property and thus the police do not need a search warrent to look through it because EVERYONE supposidely has the right to go through it. (I wonder if that makes dumpster diving legal in Oregon?)
This has been used in numerous cases, but it became more public when it was used against a fellow police officer. What was probably going on with her was office politics motivated people to just look for any excuse to get her fired.
Anyway, since the argument than everyone, and not just the police, have the right to go through your trash, the WW decided to test this out on Mayor Katz, Chief Kroker (Left hand man of Chief Daryl Gates back in the day), and the DA. The DA actually had a sense of humor about it but Kats was royally pissed, and also threatened criminal charges.
I think Kats even had a press conferance about it which brought in the big daily newspaper to report on what happened etc.
I'm doing OK myself. I still have lots of savings and am getting unemployment. I'm still buying the occational CD and DVD. It's been a nice summer.
OTOH I'm getting really sick of daytime TV. I don't have cable, and don't want it. I do eventually want to get a job.
I need to do more reading and improving my skills.
I just wanted to play long enough to find the secret room and then get a whole lot of food and um.... the stuff that made you stronger, faster etc.
It was an addictive game.
Was that the first one with a continue function of sorts?
It was a fun game in and of itself but the continue function is one of the worst things to happen to video games. As I got older I found kids whos parents would give them unlimited quarters (I had a good growing up, but I had to earn my quarters and they were precious. My Precious....)
You would be playing a game and all of a sudden a little squirt would join in and use no strategy whatsoever and get you killed.
Arrrrg!
Stupid Patents piss me off!
If I see Bill Gates I'm gonna kick him in the NUTS!
(Are SP jokes retro yet?)
Is the Interstate Commerce Clause a law, or is it a part of the Constitution?
What exactly is the Interstate Commerce Clause?
You took my line.....
Anyway, I love living in a state with no sales tax.
I think how the law is supposed to work is you pay sales tax to the state you live in. So theoretically, when you buy mailorder from another state and don't pay sales tax, you are supposed to report that on your state income tax form to pay your sales tax.
Also, when you travel to another state you are not supposed to pay the other state's income tax. When I go to Washington I can show them my Oregon ID in most places and not have to pay sales tax. But then recently I traveled to the mid-west and asked if they could do this and they just got really confused.
Now if the new laws propose that they charge sales tax based on the seller's state then that really isn't much of a change in the law. It is just like Mailorder has worked for years and years, and the way that a lot of internet retails already work. It also has a simple solution for companies with no brick and motar stores: Move the company to Oregon. (And give me a job!)
If the new laws propose that the sales tax is charged based on the buyer, but that the seller has to collect and account for the taxes then that will be one bug f@&*ing nightmare. Could you imagine having to keep track of the different sales tax rates for the 48 states (I think) that have sales taxes, and then to file a tax report to all of those 48 states? And what if you get audited. Not fun.
Hopefully, as some have suggested, such a law would be a violation of interstate commerce, and more companies will move to Oregon.
Did I mention that I think that sales taxes suck?
Do you think the Devo Energy Dome protects you better from aliens and the gub'ment than a tin foil hat?
And isn't it really aluminum foil anyway?
Are we not men?
Well, as a Coke lover, it looks like I am not going to be drinking Coke anytime soon. I would rather lose (or be dead in the case of GPS in cell phones which I have complained about before) a contest than be tracked by a third-party.
I prefer Coke to Pepsi, but like RC better than both, and like Blue Sky better than RC. But then only hippies drink Blue Sky so I couldn't possibly drink it myself. It is a good thing that I don't drink soda anymore anyway.
I kicked the soda habit years ago and am very happy. It saves lots of money and I need to cut down on sugar anyway. I get too much sugar even without drinking soda.
This is a brilliant marketing gimmick: sell sugar water at fantastically inflated prices, while persuading consumers to idolize and hoard the package.
This gives me an idea.
1. Buy a bunch of Coke
2. Wait to see if you win the contest.
3. If you don't win the contest, return the Coke.
4. ???
5. Pro.... AAAAAAAAAAGGHHHH!!!!
(Is that how you spell the sound of me being strangled?)
But it doesn't have any pics of Katy Manning nekkid.
I signed up for an account, and then just tried to enter in info that just doesn't make sense.
I'm a CEO/President for the Military-Industrial Complex that makes less than 10k a year.
In the Good Spam vs. Bad Spam argument I think the analogy would be that "Good Spam" is like Grey Water. It is Nasty, but not nearly as nasty as Sewage.
I'm still not going to buy it.
Getting "Good Spam" is kinda like someone leaving a barrel of grey water on your front doorstep.
That's why I like Gothic/Industrial music.
No, that's not right. I like the music in and of itself. But anyway, here are a couple of excerpts from You Might Be A Goth If....
# You are happy when no one has ever heard of your favorite band
# When someone else "discovers" your favorite band, you find another favorite band
# You refer to others as "The Normals"
(Yes, it is elitest, but I at least have a sense of humor about it. The trick is to have humor about the elitism and not take it seriously.)
And I think it was in a different "list" that was something like, you might be in an industrial band if....
# No one wants to play lead guitar, and everyone is fighting over the neumatic drill.
(But personally, I think most of the Vampire stuff is silly. (But then I do like Buffy.) (But I resisted watching Buffy for years.))
I will not buy music before I've heard it. Bt where can I hear stuff outside the mainstream? Not on the radio (they won't play them), and not in the record store.
Maybe it is just where I live, but in Portland Oregon the locally owned record stores have no problem with you listening to new CDs before you buy them.
(In particular, I like Ozone, Everyday Music, Djangos and Timbuktunes.)
It has gotten to the point that the few times that I do go into a big chain record store I'm suprised that they won't let me listen to something before I buy it. But then that just encourages me more to put my money into the local economy.
Timbuktunes is one of my more recent finds. It is a tiny little shop that specializes in World Music but they have a good selection of New Musik. Whenever I go there I usually spend an hour or two chatting with the owner, listening to stuff, going off on tangents and often discovering lots of new stuff that I had never heard of before.
Number one, you can't write off sales tax. You can write off state income tax, you can write off property tax, but you cannot write off sales tax. (I would rather my taxes go locally than to the fed, in general.)
Number two, it is f#&$ing annoying. It is annoying to the customer because you have to have a calculator to figure out how much something costs. And it is annoying to businesses because they have to collect, and keep track of, and pay all the sales tax they collect.
I live in Oregon where there is no sales tax and I love it. Theoretically, you are not supposed to pay other state's sales tax. When I went to Seattle I could show them my Oregon ID and not have to pay it. But if I try that in just about any other state they look at you like you are from Marz.
Oh, and at least with Income and Property tax you know how much taxes you are paying. When you are paying Sales tax.... does anyone have any idea how much they pay in sales tax in a year.
And that's why Sales Tax Sucks!
(And why more internet companies should set up shop in Oregon so that they don't have to bother with it.)
(Not to mention so that I can get a new job.)
remember kids that the majority of americans & the congress & senate voted to go after iraq...also bush isn't the 1st or only one who said iraq had wmd and saddam was a threat...remember these?
Not to mention how Clinton continually interrupted the inspections proccess by repeatedly bombing Iraq. According to Scott Ritter 95% of the WMD had been accounted for and the only reason they were not able to complete the job was because Clinton would not let them.
Does anyone have any documentation on how many times Clinton bombed Iraq? The exact dates would be nice too. Not to mention how much money those bombing runs cost us. F*#&ing liberals wasting our taxpayer dollars on a scumbag like Saddam Hussein!
(What does this have to do with the Segway anyway?)
(Guess I'll put in a link to the Smegway to make this somewhat on-topic. The Smegways explode by the way. I wonder if they count as a WMD?)
I feel that I have the freedom to mock the President whenever I want to.
You want Freedom of Speech?????
Don't you know that if we have freedom of speech the terrorists have already won???????
Shut Up! Be Happy! or Go back to your cave in Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!
(I'm beating a dead horse here aren't I?)
pushing the national debt to $1 trillion dollars
Funny, I thought that the national dept was already over Six trillion dollars.
OK, thanks for the referances. As I said, information is a good thing.
I'll have to read thru this stuff but do you know offhand if about 90-95% of the list was incorrect, that DBT/ChoicePoint got paid 2.3 Million Dollars (Up from $5,700), and that DBT didn't use its own databases to compile the data?
I know those would not neccessarily prove anything, but I am currious as this is also claimed by Palast etc.
I'm also curious who did commision DBT, and what interactions Katherine Harris had with them before the 2000 election.
I don't trust Democrats any further than I can throw them, but that's not much more than I trust Republicans. I don't want either party f#$*ing with the elections proccess, so to speak.
(And this reply is partly to keep a link in my last 24 replies so that I can check out your links. I suppose it would make too much sense to just bookmark it.)
Dear God! I don't think the aluminum foil in my deflector beanie is thick enough to handle all that! Quick, get me some sheet metal!
Sheet metal for hats?
That's silly.
Sheet metal is for Music!
Who gives a shit if it is conspiracy?
Because it isn't a conspiracy, and if you are not careful in the way you explain something it might end up sounding like one. Also....
AND A DUMB FUCK LIKE YOU REFUSES TO OPEN YOUR EYES!
is kind of an ad hominem attack. Please refrain from that. It is rather pointless.
Anyway, returning to the question of media, it is more a matter of simple economics than consipracy, although part of it is jornalistic lazyness. It is not so much a matter of the mainstream loves big corporations as it is that the mainstream media is made up of big corporations. Very few corporations, and getting smaller with media consolidation.
News reports that reflect badly on advertisers or the parent company are generally frowned upon. They are usually not outright censored, but more self-censored. It is bad for business and people who hurt the bottom line don't get promoted etc.
As to the lazyness factor, just look at how predicable the news is: Weather, sports, fluffy puppy story, and a horrible crime or accident. With the "big headline" news usually all the news channels will report on the same thing that they think is going to be the biggest scoop, ignoring everything else. And has anyone else noticed how many national stories there are on the local news, even when it was reported on the national news program of the same channel?
As for the topic at hand, we need a voting system that can be evaulated beforehand as well as audited after the election. I don't want fraudulent elections from either the Republicans or the Democrats. As bad as politics is now, just imagine how corrupt either party would be without any accountability to the voters whatsoever.
Republicans and Democrats may not be exactly the same, but on the whole seem to be equally corrupt. There are exeptions but those seem to be few and far between.
I guess I'll have to read about The Chaplinsky decision but....
Why is commercial speech fundamentally different?
How about because corporations are not people.
Not to mention that whole Truth in Advertising concept.
I worry that the trend is the other way. That corporations have more rights and less responsibility that human beings. But then I still need to read up about The Southern Pacific Railroad decision of 1886, which supposidly estabilished Corporate Personhood.
True, but then how many politicians are in the pocketbooks of the DMA?
I'm sure someone out there is ready to reply with the names and how much money was given to whom.
But can you answer this question:
Why did you resign?
The telemarketer's customer has expectations, and they can close the contract or whatever if it isn't satisfied. The telemarketing company has to obey labor laws on the other hand. Maybe they pay minimum wage with commissions for sales.
Can someone with experience elaborate on this?
"...those people were actually the ones most likely to buy."
What about a sign that says "Soliciters will be shot on sight."