This happens just like this when someone, usually from within the company, notifies Microsoft they thing software piracy is occuring.
SOftware piracy is illegal. PERIOD.
Are you saying if you use linux, you are running one of the early 2.4 kernels?
Why is it OK for people to constantly upgrade their kernels (or hell look at MacOS X and having to pay to get upgrades), but it's not OK for Microsoft to do so?
Oh please nothing... the hardware Apple is selling now is NO different than the hardware Dell is selling now with the exception of the Apple Logo and the RDF that ships with it.
Um, this only stopped (other than SP2 for XP and SP1 for 2003, which was clearly announced well ahead of time) way back in SP1 for Windows 2000 Server (July 31, 2000)...
No, but Linux and MacOS X have had to be patched for other reasons, some serious, some not. Just like Windows.
The damn SQL worm had a fix for I believe six full months before the worm hit. Not to mention, if the administrators of said SQL boxes followed STANDARD SECURITY PRACTICES, the worm would have had no impact at all.
There are plenty of holes in Linux and MacOS X too, some of them in browsers, some of them in other places, some of them critical, some of them not so critical. Just what point was it you were trying to make...
You won't hear any arguement from me that the average linux user is more computer savy than the typical Windows user. I will argue tht the average Mac user isn't any more computer savy than the average Windows user though.
I 100% agree that if Joe Consumer wasn't an idiot wanting his pr0n fix, the world would be a lot better place.
My primary home system is a Windows XP Sp2 box dual booting with Vista. Neither has AV on it, neither has any anti-spyware software on it, because I'm not a computer idiot and know safe and unsafe things to do, and I also keep my computer up to date.
I guess my main issue is with the Linux or Mac folks love to toss stones at Microsoft when a patch is relased or what not, but those Linux people are running the latest kernels with all the goodies, and the OS X folks paid 129 bucks time and time again to make sure they have the latest and greatest, not to mention downloading 30-40 MB security rollups without batting an eye claiming Apple was first to market with an Autoupdate feature without realizing Microsoft has been there for a long long time...
But that's just the EU's way of showing it's displeasure that it's not an European company in that position, they have no other way of flexing anything other than trying to make a big stink about the evil American Microsoft...
First anyone that looks like that that tries to give a speech to the corporate execs wouldn't even get past security.
Second, news flash for RMS, even "free" software in large business is FAR from free, hell in some cases the support for "free" software is sometimes even more expensive to deploy, support and manage than oh, say Windows. ANd that cost delta doesn't cover the cost of licensing for Windows... go figure.
Last I checked the hardware was exactly the same as Windows typically runs on...
Which is typical Apple. They scream about not needing stuff like PMT, Protected Memory, SMP support, PCI, AGP, USB, and on and on... not to mention how much better PPC was than x86.
Home finances? Agreed
PDA? Look at the ground it made from the 0% level. Do you really think they are not doing well especially since 5.0
Game Consoles? From 0 place to 2nd place world wide? Yeah they sure ain't doing well.
Search Engines? COnsidering they just got into it last year, give it some time.
Web Portals? MSN? Hello?
DRM music files? WMA? Hello?
A BES typically retails around $3000 with 5 CALs. Each CAL is TYPICALLY 60-80 bucks depending on your relationship with the reseller and your bulk discount.
Most larger companies have data service agreements in place which take into account the montly cost of the data service which more or less takes care of any huge expenses. For example here we pay $40 per month in fees regardless of the amount of data sent/recieved.
The MS solution sure will be cheaper if they continue with the route SP2 for Exchange Server 2003 has provided.... it's a free add-on.
From what I understand for every $40 collected from us via our wireless provider, less than 10% goes to RIM.
1.) BES, either Domino/Notes or Exchange (I support both) is far from stable. Between lost emails from/to handhelds, MDS errors or such, I spend about 4 hours a week supporting 1500 users on two BES (on for Exchange one for Domino/Notes). The Good Technologies solution is MUCH more robust and stable by a far margin.
2.) Windows Mobile powered crackberries are already supported by Exchange Server 2003 SP2. And it works quite well.
3.) There really are not all that many Blackberry users out there versus Exchange users (or even Domino users)
So you upgraded to MediaPlayer 9 (10 isn't available for 2000) which is 13.2 MB. Microsoft Office 2000 Service Patches and hotfixes is only 62 MB which includes the latest SP.
Firefox is tiny.
So even adding in these comes to another 75 MB. Plus the previous 168 MB or so, is still quite a bit less than even 1/4 of a Windows 2000 install.
Because if it wasn't this wouldn't be Slashdot. We all know that at least 75% of the people that read slashdot and claim to be massive supporters of Linux, all run home, fire up Windows XP and play WOW all night anyways...
Um, it's quite simple, mayhap some bugs are very easy to fix, to regression test, to ensure nothing else breaks with the patch, or possibly lies on a well known area within the OS or a smaller module. Maybe another that takes a while longer to fix is much harder to pin down and properly resolve.
One would think most people would understand common stuff like this.
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This happens just like this when someone, usually from within the company, notifies Microsoft they thing software piracy is occuring. SOftware piracy is illegal. PERIOD.
Are you saying if you use linux, you are running one of the early 2.4 kernels?
Why is it OK for people to constantly upgrade their kernels (or hell look at MacOS X and having to pay to get upgrades), but it's not OK for Microsoft to do so?
Oh please nothing... the hardware Apple is selling now is NO different than the hardware Dell is selling now with the exception of the Apple Logo and the RDF that ships with it.
Um, this only stopped (other than SP2 for XP and SP1 for 2003, which was clearly announced well ahead of time) way back in SP1 for Windows 2000 Server (July 31, 2000)...
No, but Linux and MacOS X have had to be patched for other reasons, some serious, some not. Just like Windows.
The damn SQL worm had a fix for I believe six full months before the worm hit. Not to mention, if the administrators of said SQL boxes followed STANDARD SECURITY PRACTICES, the worm would have had no impact at all.
There are plenty of holes in Linux and MacOS X too, some of them in browsers, some of them in other places, some of them critical, some of them not so critical. Just what point was it you were trying to make...
You won't hear any arguement from me that the average linux user is more computer savy than the typical Windows user. I will argue tht the average Mac user isn't any more computer savy than the average Windows user though.
I 100% agree that if Joe Consumer wasn't an idiot wanting his pr0n fix, the world would be a lot better place.
My primary home system is a Windows XP Sp2 box dual booting with Vista. Neither has AV on it, neither has any anti-spyware software on it, because I'm not a computer idiot and know safe and unsafe things to do, and I also keep my computer up to date.
I guess my main issue is with the Linux or Mac folks love to toss stones at Microsoft when a patch is relased or what not, but those Linux people are running the latest kernels with all the goodies, and the OS X folks paid 129 bucks time and time again to make sure they have the latest and greatest, not to mention downloading 30-40 MB security rollups without batting an eye claiming Apple was first to market with an Autoupdate feature without realizing Microsoft has been there for a long long time...
But that's just the EU's way of showing it's displeasure that it's not an European company in that position, they have no other way of flexing anything other than trying to make a big stink about the evil American Microsoft...
The best thing is both blaster and slammer had fixes released well before the worms hit.
It's most assuredly not Microsoft's fault that people don't patch.
And any fool who says Linux or MacOS X don't need to be patched, are just that, fools.
First anyone that looks like that that tries to give a speech to the corporate execs wouldn't even get past security.
Second, news flash for RMS, even "free" software in large business is FAR from free, hell in some cases the support for "free" software is sometimes even more expensive to deploy, support and manage than oh, say Windows. ANd that cost delta doesn't cover the cost of licensing for Windows... go figure.
How? How can Microsoft make the changes quick enough? They have to do MASSIVE regression testing. That takes time.
No one MAKES you buy anything. It's your choice.
No, what made USB massive was Windows 98.
For more proof of that we can watch the failure of Firewire...
A few years ago, the Mac crowd said there was no need for stuff like PCI, AGP, PMT, SMP, protected memory, Intel, USB, etc. etc....
But just how is a Mac running x86 and Windows XP, a Mac?
Last I checked the hardware was exactly the same as Windows typically runs on...
Which is typical Apple. They scream about not needing stuff like PMT, Protected Memory, SMP support, PCI, AGP, USB, and on and on... not to mention how much better PPC was than x86.
Well we all know how that turned out...
Home finances? Agreed
PDA? Look at the ground it made from the 0% level. Do you really think they are not doing well especially since 5.0
Game Consoles? From 0 place to 2nd place world wide? Yeah they sure ain't doing well.
Search Engines? COnsidering they just got into it last year, give it some time.
Web Portals? MSN? Hello?
DRM music files? WMA? Hello?
A BES typically retails around $3000 with 5 CALs. Each CAL is TYPICALLY 60-80 bucks depending on your relationship with the reseller and your bulk discount.
Most larger companies have data service agreements in place which take into account the montly cost of the data service which more or less takes care of any huge expenses. For example here we pay $40 per month in fees regardless of the amount of data sent/recieved.
The MS solution sure will be cheaper if they continue with the route SP2 for Exchange Server 2003 has provided.... it's a free add-on.
From what I understand for every $40 collected from us via our wireless provider, less than 10% goes to RIM.
That doesn't even give you 1/4 the features of a fully deployed BES or Exchange Server 2003 SP2 deployment.
One thing Microsoft (not that hard to spell correctly) does is messaging.
Lets get a few things cleared up.
1.) BES, either Domino/Notes or Exchange (I support both) is far from stable. Between lost emails from/to handhelds, MDS errors or such, I spend about 4 hours a week supporting 1500 users on two BES (on for Exchange one for Domino/Notes). The Good Technologies solution is MUCH more robust and stable by a far margin.
2.) Windows Mobile powered crackberries are already supported by Exchange Server 2003 SP2. And it works quite well.
3.) There really are not all that many Blackberry users out there versus Exchange users (or even Domino users)
Unlike, oh say Linux which is in a constant state of flux and change?
They also want a fully supported environment where the corporate hardware and software they use are easy to get, support and continue using.
Does most of the buiness apps in the office today run on Solaris or BSD? ESPECIALLY BSD? Hell no.
So you upgraded to MediaPlayer 9 (10 isn't available for 2000) which is 13.2 MB.
Microsoft Office 2000 Service Patches and hotfixes is only 62 MB which includes the latest SP.
Firefox is tiny.
So even adding in these comes to another 75 MB. Plus the previous 168 MB or so, is still quite a bit less than even 1/4 of a Windows 2000 install.
Because if it wasn't this wouldn't be Slashdot. We all know that at least 75% of the people that read slashdot and claim to be massive supporters of Linux, all run home, fire up Windows XP and play WOW all night anyways...
Never mind the dozens of patches needed to get MacOS X secure and all the money needed to spend to get a computer that runs it.
I just checked, you are not correct.
There have been 27 critical and high level patches released for Windows 2000, since SP4 was released. Which are a total of just over 31 MB in size.
SP4 itself is 132 MB.
The Windows 2000 Server base install is just over 1.3 GB with most of the standard features.
132+31=163, which is far FAR short of 1.3 GB.
FUD possibly?
Um, it's quite simple, mayhap some bugs are very easy to fix, to regression test, to ensure nothing else breaks with the patch, or possibly lies on a well known area within the OS or a smaller module. Maybe another that takes a while longer to fix is much harder to pin down and properly resolve.
One would think most people would understand common stuff like this.