I think that can definitely be true, however, kids are going to pick up so much funk that attempting to prevent a flu epidemic from a childcare center is still worthwhile. Even with reasonable prevention, kids are just going to catch crap. This obsession with disinfecting everything they touch, however, is somewhat overboard, I bet you'd agree:)
Pardon me, but I would be very surprised if Google, unlike the vast majority of all daycare centers (daycare, mind, not pre-k or kindergarten) allowed sick and potentially contagious children. The better daycares I've had experience with will insist that you come and get your child if they have made it in with such an illness. Any illness, no matter how minor it might seem, spreads so quickly amongst kids of that age, especially in close proximity. Plus, though I really don't know if it's a stated or valid reason, I imagine that allowing visibly ill children to remain at the daycare presents some degree of liability that would rather be avoided.
But I do think you are right about in-house daycare being a great deal more efficient, especially for a company of sufficient size, especially in terms of worker-parent efficiency.
When I lived in North Carolina, I could count on the libraries to have books, references, information and peace and quiet. With more and more libraries changing into 'media centers' they're gotten noisier and less focused on the actual books, but at least they were still there. I moved to Georgia a few years ago and there isn't a single library in the greater Atlanta area I have yet to find worth setting foot in for more than a couple minutes (I think I copied my taxes the first year I was here in one). They lack references and generally have very few actual books compared to what I'm used to, and I'm just used to a regular town's public library. If you want something, you're better off sitting at home and requesting it from whatever part of the state it might be in (IF they have it), and good luck if they'll tell you truly how long they'll hold it for you or actually call you when it comes in. I fail to see how this is an actual library experience, and I can definitely understand how people of my generation and younger just don't want to bother anymore.
I never thought I'd be one to prefer purchasing a book over checking it out, but Amazon can have it my door next day or 2 days for free, and the used books stores have a better selection overall than the libraries in almost every area.
I for one hate it, I'm sure many people do for all the usual 1-button and form factor problems it had. However, I can not for the life of me convince my grandmother to LET GO of the puck no matter how many other awesome mice I show her. I can't understand how it doesn't hurt her MORE to use that damned thing. Is there something I am just missing? She wouldn't even swap it out for something with a scroll wheel! So, is there anyone out there who has any sort of affinity for that piece of plastic junk? I'm really, really curious.
Sorry, I still want my phone so I can do things like call my sister in LA and hear my niece's first words to me, want to call family and actually speak to them on holidays when I can't see them face to face. Email is by far my favorite way of communication, but in terms of maintaining certain kinds of connections with people, I want a way to hear them (or see them) in realtime too. And no--the 6 month old baby does not email. We've simply found that email especially for business is much more consistent and efficient and that has an impact on our personal lives because naturally the same holds true.
I didn't even need that. I needed mine for some reason, and I could do that by verifying a bunch of ID online, sending in 65 bucks to expedite and send via certified mail to my new house out of state, and I had it. So North Carolina, I love you, but wow--I really don't know in retrospect that should have worked out.
Sorry dude, but no, the vast majority of PEOPLE will not attempt this. That includes geeky men. (hmm..boys?) Face it--it's more laziness than anything else. My brother's 23 and he'd never even consider attempting it, like most computer geeks his age, I've found them to be non-selfstarters in terms of hardware. Would I do it? Sure. Have I done it? Not recently or entirely, I've never needed to do more than swap parts. Have I done major repairs to the house, car, lawnmower? You bet. Unfortunately, building a computer from scratch isn't a need for me. Having my car work or getting the lawn mowed so I don't find snakes is. I have my priorities straight.
Using our large, centrally located power producing units to power vehicles is indeed a step in the right direction. Really no matter what state you are in, the regulated energy community (and before you get cute, that's everyone) has the belt on in terms of certain types of emissions. In the US, CO2 equivalents aren't one of them yet, but eventually we know they will be. Mobile sources? Fat chance. States and the federal EPA will do a LOT more before they start to really approach regulating mobile sources, and really, we don't even do such a good job of quantifying their impact even now. Regulators and other stakeholders regard it as a lose-lose situation, and I'm guessing most people, not just the lobbyist funded out of Detroit, would fight it even more than just upping the CAFE standards. I'm of the opinion that it's grossly unfair in some ways, partly because it allows individual consumers to continue to consume and pollute at levels at which they are not forced to pay attention. Very few people consider the individual impact they have from one day of work commuting. One week? One year? Vacations included? What does your whole metro area contribute--really? Because right now the quantifying that can really just be a lot of handwaving, and so far, we as citizen consumers have been fine with that.
So said sysadmin gets a favorite band's CD, a card, a office cube toy, and a cutesy thing. It's usually something like that.
I hope they don't read this, actually, until I actually do it.
Beyond that, though, if we had one at our office, I'd do something nice too, beyond the usual stuff year round, because it's another way you can help someone stay motivated to commit more than just the required to their job, by making them want to do it.
We dug all the MS office products (and 'test drive' nonsense) out of the Mac mini we got for my grandmother but the X11 requirement for OO is a problem if she accidentally closes it. This was my first major experience with a Mac since middle school and honestly, things are just not as simple as they want you to think they will be, especially if you have the Intel processors.
I read an interesting op-ed that I really wish I could link to here that pretty much said that the problem isn't entirely with women, but these days, perhaps a lot more with men. Why aren't men asking for these things? What's wrong with them that they won't ask for the things out of jobs that they also want? Honestly--in an equal society, especially if you're going to examine, let's say, a pair of earners, one male and one female, who have shared responsibilities at home that may include children, it's not just that we are telling women they have to choose, but we're telling the guys they have to do the same, and I think I've seen MANY fewer men (and this article detailed it as well) be able to say that they wanted just a little more flexibility in any job, including IT professions, so that they could have a life outside of work. IT isn't about an 80 hour work week, and I doubt most people really do work those hours at the office who are strictly considered in IT. I've definitely read plenty of discussions here where most commenters have smashed each other for suggesting that life, in America, is all about work. You don't live to work, not most of you. So men out there, who are thinking about families, kids, etc in the future: are YOU thinking about the flexibility you might need later in your life, or are you just going to leave that up to someone else?
Oh, come on now, they're kids--of course it's the first thing they think of. It's an obvious feature of the computer and they're not immune to the media at all. They'll get to the other features soon enough, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, I hope their teachers will too.
Google is a company that does new, cutting edge work with brilliant people and is competitive with both well-established companies and small, nimble startups! They actually have a need for secrecy in development!
News at 11.
Are they perhaps more like apartment buildings always under the threat of demolition that sign you to nonbinding, shorter, cheaper leases because you never really know when the wrecking ball might be out front? The cheapest and, relatively, nonsketchy place we found to live in Mountain View was like this.
Gizmodo covered a day where FON offered everyone a free Fonera (little wireless router/point thing) for signing up and naturally they were totally swamped, but I got one and it works ok, though it doesn't really help me or anyone else to keep it running in my home in the middle of nowhere. I have, though, used the little map to check out where people are running theirs around Atlanta, for instance, and the coverage at the time (I think this was last fall) looked pretty decent. It's a neat concept but the partnership with TW will either kill it or elevate it. I saw it as being much more useful in Latin America than the US.
I wish! Every person I ever pulled out of a YMCA pool had at LEAST 65 years to their name! Water helps joints and improves mobility while decreasing pain (such as from arthritis) (to get offtopic here) so I've generally seen quite a majority of the elderly in pools when working there. Every age group has their own risks, though.
As emphasized by someone in the article, which I read when they published it (and I'm also a swim instructor, lifeguard, and first responder) it's VERY important to note that using only compressions is best and useful in the event of a dryland cardiac event. If someone has just been pulled from the water for instance and is not drowning, you need to give them AIR. Rehashing from the article: most people suffering from heart problems and fibrilliation have plenty of oxygen in their blood and it will remain that way for about 8 minutes. They are not generally in danger of losing oxygenated blood flow to their brain and dying that way. Thus, the exec that collapses in the stairmaster you can probably do just fine with giving compressions: and if you're the ONLY one there who can do that, you had probably better do that. Having actually given CPR for more than 2 minutes, it can literally cause you to pass out if you're the only one there: you have to combine forceful compressions (of breaking THROUGH the ribcage to the heart to get it going) with breathing into a person...and then there are people who might know CPR but, as the article points out, are afraid of catching something.
In summary: don't forget to breath into the victim if they aren't breathing. Especially if they were drowning.
It's probably safe to say the vast majority of people commenting thus far will not be remotely involved in working on this problem.
You don't assume problems in your specific field are that simple or silly--I hope.
So I've read some pretty good replies regarding general legality of contracts, terminations, etc., but I'm not sure that given the very vague details we were given by our anonymous poster that that really gets to the heart of a lawsuit I think will end up being tossed quickly in whatever form it does take--keeping in mind that while I've done extensive reading and have a similar such education in said legalities, I am not a practicing attorney. It sounds to me like it is possible that this company, which I know little to nothing about, has become excitable (to say the least) regarding the pending loss of this employee and what they felt they may have been losing with him. We don't know very much about his projects, his role in the company, who is under him, and so on. We all know that sometimes, two weeks just doesn't quite cut it, and usually when it doesn't, you know that and you're professional enough to give your company more time to not fall apart. My guess is that the company's (potentially poor) reasoning for any such suit is that the loss of this employee with this amount of notice constitutes material harm to the company--in things left undone or personnel untrained or unhired or some set of requirements that were either invented or potentially stipulated in some fine print no one read in a hiring contract. I believe they would have to prove an actual material loss or breach of written contract to even move forward with the suit to not have it summarily dismissed--and depending on the judge you drew, you could potentially get any legal costs you'd already paid out (assuming they weren't negligible) recouped. But I think my advice for most problems that seem like they could blow far out of proportion with employers and end up going to lawyers and courts stands: I'd go to the party involved first holding my attitude and ego in check for 5 minutes and ask for a polite explanation.
Actually, it's specifically a Linksys Wireless-G Travel Router. So I am pretty sure 'jerry-rigged' does not apply. But you might like to be more polite.
My laptop only has a wireless card, for whatever reason, I got that finally working with Linux and I just don't have time to deal with making the ancient ethernet card I don't know that I can even find work too (before anyone jumps on me, we're talking ancient hardware on all sides plus some potentially broken dongles and now nonexistent patience). Since everywhere I tend to frequent has wireless, it's been a zero priority, and I scored a device that generates a wireless point from an ethernet port that I intend to test more fully on my next few trips. I wonder if they'll have a problem with me using that on the plane?
I'm a bit of a jerk for replying already, but something people older than 25 aren't going to (necessarily) know is that they've written in entire sections to calculus AP exams and so on that require the use of a graphing calculator now and can't be done without them--I mean require in a literal sense, they are written specifically TO the technology. So, you have to be good at it, and it might just have to be the one your school uses if they have a class set.
Since you're in high school, you're going to have to learn to use THAT calculator to take some very specific tests no matter where you are in the US to jump through a lot of hurdles on your way to college, and I assume you're in the US. Your calculator as several have pointed out is just a tool for you to skip some rote mathematical steps once you have learned to do them yourself and formed that pathway in your mind, not to to replace your ability entirely. Our programs and such literally do replace things and create formulas that we actually can't come up with with pencil and paper in anything resembling reasonable time. So people have made great recommendations for what to do with your computer and I do think you need to do that, but for right now, you need to know exactly what calculator you will be allowed to use for your AP/SAT/ACT/whatever else they make you do exams and make sure you're fast with that. I know that anything with a qwerty keyboard is still totally out. And I do feel your pain--I dropped a chunk on my TI and that was just the way it was and it still is. Don't buy something new--find some graduating college kid and buy their TI 85 off them, it has calculus functionality and you'll want that later. Oh, and get the manual.
*snicker* That's exactly what I did. I left college. I couldn't use Win2k safely anymore. I stopped wanting to deal with all the security BS, and I didn't need it for school/work (this might seem trivial to readers here, but for laboratory analytical researchers, you can't just move your software over to Linux at the drop of a hat, and you work way too much to not take it home). I guess you could say we all have to leave our abusive relationships someday.
So like anything else, when we have a lot more data, we can make a better assessment. The initial one isn't a bad one to do, but let's not make the assumption that it's set in stone.
From my personal assessment, I've had a great experience and like the setup, design, experience and implementation. I had one fantastically ugly problem that was entirely on the end of the vendor and I cited it as such. If I'd used paypal, I'd likely have had exactly the same problem and be just as pissed. However, I think the merchant rating system is more accessible and transparent in Google from what I have seen, though I've not looked as hard at Paypal--honestly, because until now, there weren't a lot of options that I considered valid.
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I think that can definitely be true, however, kids are going to pick up so much funk that attempting to prevent a flu epidemic from a childcare center is still worthwhile. Even with reasonable prevention, kids are just going to catch crap. This obsession with disinfecting everything they touch, however, is somewhat overboard, I bet you'd agree :)
Pardon me, but I would be very surprised if Google, unlike the vast majority of all daycare centers (daycare, mind, not pre-k or kindergarten) allowed sick and potentially contagious children. The better daycares I've had experience with will insist that you come and get your child if they have made it in with such an illness. Any illness, no matter how minor it might seem, spreads so quickly amongst kids of that age, especially in close proximity. Plus, though I really don't know if it's a stated or valid reason, I imagine that allowing visibly ill children to remain at the daycare presents some degree of liability that would rather be avoided. But I do think you are right about in-house daycare being a great deal more efficient, especially for a company of sufficient size, especially in terms of worker-parent efficiency.
When I lived in North Carolina, I could count on the libraries to have books, references, information and peace and quiet. With more and more libraries changing into 'media centers' they're gotten noisier and less focused on the actual books, but at least they were still there. I moved to Georgia a few years ago and there isn't a single library in the greater Atlanta area I have yet to find worth setting foot in for more than a couple minutes (I think I copied my taxes the first year I was here in one). They lack references and generally have very few actual books compared to what I'm used to, and I'm just used to a regular town's public library. If you want something, you're better off sitting at home and requesting it from whatever part of the state it might be in (IF they have it), and good luck if they'll tell you truly how long they'll hold it for you or actually call you when it comes in. I fail to see how this is an actual library experience, and I can definitely understand how people of my generation and younger just don't want to bother anymore.
I never thought I'd be one to prefer purchasing a book over checking it out, but Amazon can have it my door next day or 2 days for free, and the used books stores have a better selection overall than the libraries in almost every area.
I for one hate it, I'm sure many people do for all the usual 1-button and form factor problems it had. However, I can not for the life of me convince my grandmother to LET GO of the puck no matter how many other awesome mice I show her. I can't understand how it doesn't hurt her MORE to use that damned thing. Is there something I am just missing? She wouldn't even swap it out for something with a scroll wheel! So, is there anyone out there who has any sort of affinity for that piece of plastic junk? I'm really, really curious.
Sorry, I still want my phone so I can do things like call my sister in LA and hear my niece's first words to me, want to call family and actually speak to them on holidays when I can't see them face to face. Email is by far my favorite way of communication, but in terms of maintaining certain kinds of connections with people, I want a way to hear them (or see them) in realtime too. And no--the 6 month old baby does not email. We've simply found that email especially for business is much more consistent and efficient and that has an impact on our personal lives because naturally the same holds true.
I didn't even need that. I needed mine for some reason, and I could do that by verifying a bunch of ID online, sending in 65 bucks to expedite and send via certified mail to my new house out of state, and I had it. So North Carolina, I love you, but wow--I really don't know in retrospect that should have worked out.
Sorry dude, but no, the vast majority of PEOPLE will not attempt this. That includes geeky men. (hmm..boys?) Face it--it's more laziness than anything else. My brother's 23 and he'd never even consider attempting it, like most computer geeks his age, I've found them to be non-selfstarters in terms of hardware. Would I do it? Sure. Have I done it? Not recently or entirely, I've never needed to do more than swap parts. Have I done major repairs to the house, car, lawnmower? You bet. Unfortunately, building a computer from scratch isn't a need for me. Having my car work or getting the lawn mowed so I don't find snakes is. I have my priorities straight.
Using our large, centrally located power producing units to power vehicles is indeed a step in the right direction. Really no matter what state you are in, the regulated energy community (and before you get cute, that's everyone) has the belt on in terms of certain types of emissions. In the US, CO2 equivalents aren't one of them yet, but eventually we know they will be. Mobile sources? Fat chance. States and the federal EPA will do a LOT more before they start to really approach regulating mobile sources, and really, we don't even do such a good job of quantifying their impact even now. Regulators and other stakeholders regard it as a lose-lose situation, and I'm guessing most people, not just the lobbyist funded out of Detroit, would fight it even more than just upping the CAFE standards. I'm of the opinion that it's grossly unfair in some ways, partly because it allows individual consumers to continue to consume and pollute at levels at which they are not forced to pay attention. Very few people consider the individual impact they have from one day of work commuting. One week? One year? Vacations included? What does your whole metro area contribute--really? Because right now the quantifying that can really just be a lot of handwaving, and so far, we as citizen consumers have been fine with that.
So said sysadmin gets a favorite band's CD, a card, a office cube toy, and a cutesy thing. It's usually something like that. I hope they don't read this, actually, until I actually do it. Beyond that, though, if we had one at our office, I'd do something nice too, beyond the usual stuff year round, because it's another way you can help someone stay motivated to commit more than just the required to their job, by making them want to do it.
We dug all the MS office products (and 'test drive' nonsense) out of the Mac mini we got for my grandmother but the X11 requirement for OO is a problem if she accidentally closes it. This was my first major experience with a Mac since middle school and honestly, things are just not as simple as they want you to think they will be, especially if you have the Intel processors.
I read an interesting op-ed that I really wish I could link to here that pretty much said that the problem isn't entirely with women, but these days, perhaps a lot more with men. Why aren't men asking for these things? What's wrong with them that they won't ask for the things out of jobs that they also want? Honestly--in an equal society, especially if you're going to examine, let's say, a pair of earners, one male and one female, who have shared responsibilities at home that may include children, it's not just that we are telling women they have to choose, but we're telling the guys they have to do the same, and I think I've seen MANY fewer men (and this article detailed it as well) be able to say that they wanted just a little more flexibility in any job, including IT professions, so that they could have a life outside of work. IT isn't about an 80 hour work week, and I doubt most people really do work those hours at the office who are strictly considered in IT. I've definitely read plenty of discussions here where most commenters have smashed each other for suggesting that life, in America, is all about work. You don't live to work, not most of you. So men out there, who are thinking about families, kids, etc in the future: are YOU thinking about the flexibility you might need later in your life, or are you just going to leave that up to someone else?
Oh, come on now, they're kids--of course it's the first thing they think of. It's an obvious feature of the computer and they're not immune to the media at all. They'll get to the other features soon enough, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, I hope their teachers will too.
Google is a company that does new, cutting edge work with brilliant people and is competitive with both well-established companies and small, nimble startups! They actually have a need for secrecy in development! News at 11.
Are they perhaps more like apartment buildings always under the threat of demolition that sign you to nonbinding, shorter, cheaper leases because you never really know when the wrecking ball might be out front? The cheapest and, relatively, nonsketchy place we found to live in Mountain View was like this.
Gizmodo covered a day where FON offered everyone a free Fonera (little wireless router/point thing) for signing up and naturally they were totally swamped, but I got one and it works ok, though it doesn't really help me or anyone else to keep it running in my home in the middle of nowhere. I have, though, used the little map to check out where people are running theirs around Atlanta, for instance, and the coverage at the time (I think this was last fall) looked pretty decent. It's a neat concept but the partnership with TW will either kill it or elevate it. I saw it as being much more useful in Latin America than the US.
I wish! Every person I ever pulled out of a YMCA pool had at LEAST 65 years to their name! Water helps joints and improves mobility while decreasing pain (such as from arthritis) (to get offtopic here) so I've generally seen quite a majority of the elderly in pools when working there. Every age group has their own risks, though.
As emphasized by someone in the article, which I read when they published it (and I'm also a swim instructor, lifeguard, and first responder) it's VERY important to note that using only compressions is best and useful in the event of a dryland cardiac event. If someone has just been pulled from the water for instance and is not drowning, you need to give them AIR. Rehashing from the article: most people suffering from heart problems and fibrilliation have plenty of oxygen in their blood and it will remain that way for about 8 minutes. They are not generally in danger of losing oxygenated blood flow to their brain and dying that way. Thus, the exec that collapses in the stairmaster you can probably do just fine with giving compressions: and if you're the ONLY one there who can do that, you had probably better do that. Having actually given CPR for more than 2 minutes, it can literally cause you to pass out if you're the only one there: you have to combine forceful compressions (of breaking THROUGH the ribcage to the heart to get it going) with breathing into a person...and then there are people who might know CPR but, as the article points out, are afraid of catching something. In summary: don't forget to breath into the victim if they aren't breathing. Especially if they were drowning.
It's probably safe to say the vast majority of people commenting thus far will not be remotely involved in working on this problem. You don't assume problems in your specific field are that simple or silly--I hope.
So I've read some pretty good replies regarding general legality of contracts, terminations, etc., but I'm not sure that given the very vague details we were given by our anonymous poster that that really gets to the heart of a lawsuit I think will end up being tossed quickly in whatever form it does take--keeping in mind that while I've done extensive reading and have a similar such education in said legalities, I am not a practicing attorney. It sounds to me like it is possible that this company, which I know little to nothing about, has become excitable (to say the least) regarding the pending loss of this employee and what they felt they may have been losing with him. We don't know very much about his projects, his role in the company, who is under him, and so on. We all know that sometimes, two weeks just doesn't quite cut it, and usually when it doesn't, you know that and you're professional enough to give your company more time to not fall apart. My guess is that the company's (potentially poor) reasoning for any such suit is that the loss of this employee with this amount of notice constitutes material harm to the company--in things left undone or personnel untrained or unhired or some set of requirements that were either invented or potentially stipulated in some fine print no one read in a hiring contract. I believe they would have to prove an actual material loss or breach of written contract to even move forward with the suit to not have it summarily dismissed--and depending on the judge you drew, you could potentially get any legal costs you'd already paid out (assuming they weren't negligible) recouped. But I think my advice for most problems that seem like they could blow far out of proportion with employers and end up going to lawyers and courts stands: I'd go to the party involved first holding my attitude and ego in check for 5 minutes and ask for a polite explanation.
Actually, it's specifically a Linksys Wireless-G Travel Router. So I am pretty sure 'jerry-rigged' does not apply. But you might like to be more polite.
My laptop only has a wireless card, for whatever reason, I got that finally working with Linux and I just don't have time to deal with making the ancient ethernet card I don't know that I can even find work too (before anyone jumps on me, we're talking ancient hardware on all sides plus some potentially broken dongles and now nonexistent patience). Since everywhere I tend to frequent has wireless, it's been a zero priority, and I scored a device that generates a wireless point from an ethernet port that I intend to test more fully on my next few trips. I wonder if they'll have a problem with me using that on the plane?
I'm a bit of a jerk for replying already, but something people older than 25 aren't going to (necessarily) know is that they've written in entire sections to calculus AP exams and so on that require the use of a graphing calculator now and can't be done without them--I mean require in a literal sense, they are written specifically TO the technology. So, you have to be good at it, and it might just have to be the one your school uses if they have a class set.
Since you're in high school, you're going to have to learn to use THAT calculator to take some very specific tests no matter where you are in the US to jump through a lot of hurdles on your way to college, and I assume you're in the US. Your calculator as several have pointed out is just a tool for you to skip some rote mathematical steps once you have learned to do them yourself and formed that pathway in your mind, not to to replace your ability entirely. Our programs and such literally do replace things and create formulas that we actually can't come up with with pencil and paper in anything resembling reasonable time. So people have made great recommendations for what to do with your computer and I do think you need to do that, but for right now, you need to know exactly what calculator you will be allowed to use for your AP/SAT/ACT/whatever else they make you do exams and make sure you're fast with that. I know that anything with a qwerty keyboard is still totally out. And I do feel your pain--I dropped a chunk on my TI and that was just the way it was and it still is. Don't buy something new--find some graduating college kid and buy their TI 85 off them, it has calculus functionality and you'll want that later. Oh, and get the manual.
*snicker* That's exactly what I did. I left college. I couldn't use Win2k safely anymore. I stopped wanting to deal with all the security BS, and I didn't need it for school/work (this might seem trivial to readers here, but for laboratory analytical researchers, you can't just move your software over to Linux at the drop of a hat, and you work way too much to not take it home). I guess you could say we all have to leave our abusive relationships someday.
So like anything else, when we have a lot more data, we can make a better assessment. The initial one isn't a bad one to do, but let's not make the assumption that it's set in stone. From my personal assessment, I've had a great experience and like the setup, design, experience and implementation. I had one fantastically ugly problem that was entirely on the end of the vendor and I cited it as such. If I'd used paypal, I'd likely have had exactly the same problem and be just as pissed. However, I think the merchant rating system is more accessible and transparent in Google from what I have seen, though I've not looked as hard at Paypal--honestly, because until now, there weren't a lot of options that I considered valid.