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Hear No Evil, See No Evil — E-mail Kills the Phone

coondoggie writes to tell us that in a recent study e-mail has overtaken telephony as the most common workplace communication tool. "Research reveals that 100% of the end-users surveyed use e-mail, followed by fixed-line telephones (80%), mobile telephones (76%) and instant messaging (66%). The study points out the three most ubiquitous technologies increase productivity the most. Over 70% of the end-users surveyed say e-mail impacts positively on their productivity, followed by conventional fixed-line telephony (53%) and mobile telephony (52%). From a productivity point-of-view, the research shows that instant messaging, blogs and softphones are considered most disruptive, and could negatively impact productivity if not managed properly."

155 comments

  1. E-mail survey, right? by Animats · · Score: 5, Funny

    Research reveals that 100% of the end-users surveyed use e-mail

    Let me guess. They did the survey via e-mail.

    1. Re:E-mail survey, right? by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me guess. They did the survey via e-mail.

      We'll they're better off doing it that way then by phone. It's not like I answer my phone for any number I don't recognize.

      For just about anything I prefer chatting, e-mail, or any other electronic method as my time isn't 100% devoted to a single person. I can do 100 other things while responding to electronic messages. With a phone call my attention is solely with one person and that's just not a good way to operate for MOST functions of my day.

    2. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the folks that answered the request for the survey responded to SPAM!!! Nice demographic.

    3. Re:E-mail survey, right? by efity · · Score: 1

      Hopefully you're not opening a lot of emails from addresses you don't recognize, either.

      But I do agree with you there. If it's a number I don't know, it gets assigned as unimportant if I'm busy; I can check my voicemail later. A phone call could take anywhere from a minute to half an hour, whereas an email reply takes maybe a minute (although there may be more emails to send, one minute can be sacrificed here and there, but half an hour is too much time to devote to one nonessential thing).

    4. Re:E-mail survey, right? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully you're not opening a lot of emails from addresses you don't recognize, either.

      Unfortunately it's the nature of my job.

    5. Re:E-mail survey, right? by gmack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate phones for the same reason I hate instant messengers. I don't like things that demand my instant attention and interrupt what I'm doing.

      If I'm working on something I can check emails when it won't affect my ability to get work done. If I'm constantly answering the phone I never get anything done.

    6. Re:E-mail survey, right? by el+cisne · · Score: 1

      "I hate phones for the same reason I hate instant messengers. I don't like things that demand my instant attention and interrupt what I'm doing."

      Damn straight. Especially when it is for something trivial. I've gotten to where I hate the damn thing. Unless I'm calling someone else of course.... ;-)
      But still I try to get with them by email first and give them a day. That stupid phone is demanding, insistent, "interrupt driven", and if someone is calling me it better be good. And if their call is not important enough for them to leave a message then it is not important enough for me to drop everything I'm doing, halt my train of thought or code-groove, just to answer something that could have waited.

    7. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll they're better off doing it that way then by phone. It's not like I answer my phone for any number I don't recognize.

      Do you, by any chance, happen work at a bank? F*%$ I hate bankers.

    8. Re:E-mail survey, right? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      "my time isn't 100% devoted to a single person."

      Glad I don't work with you. Well, I don't know where you work, but I don't work with a bunch of people who waste my time. A few clients do this, yes, but hey, they're paying us a bunch of money.

      People have learned not to call me unless it's important.

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    9. Re:E-mail survey, right? by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      We'll they're better off doing it that way then by phone

      They'd be better off randomly selecting businesses in different areas, and going there in person to interview them.

      The idea is to get a representative sample. There are some historical examples of people messing up their sample group (in a political poll) by using a phone book to pick their sample group of voters "randomly" -- the problem is that it wasn't random at all, they only got people who owned a phone. They left out all of the low-income voters, who were more likely as a group to vote a certain way.

      Their prediction of how the election would swing was way off as a result.

    10. Re:E-mail survey, right? by xarak · · Score: 1

      And wireless networks and laptops allow you to email during certain of those traditional 100%-tasks.

      From another type of cubicle.

      I personally draw the line at phoning from there.

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    11. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That's why texting has become so popular... I rarely get or make voice calls for the reasons you state. OTOH I get texts all the time.

    12. Re:E-mail survey, right? by garcia · · Score: 1

      I hate phones for the same reason I hate instant messengers. I don't like things that demand my instant attention and interrupt what I'm doing.

      I use bitlbee for IM (I use GTalk and AIM primarily) and those don't interrupt me at all. In fact, they can sit there infinitely just like an e-mail if I choose.

    13. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh? What 100 other things do you do while you're typing a reply to an email???

    14. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i had a text message

    15. Re:E-mail survey, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instant messaging is not so bad. It is far easier to switch contexts even if you have multiple messages coming in. Depending on the urgency and severity of the issue, you can prioritize messages or put them on hold while you finish up your work or task in another window (i.e. coding in one window, restarting services in another and answering question in on IM, asking for clarification in another and looking up the monitoring screen in a web browser).

      You can't really do that with phones. Most of your attention is tied in with other person on the line, which means that you can't do anything else maybe watch the monitor screen. That and the by time you get off the phone, you're left with trying to catch up with what you are doing. . . and by the time you are back on track, you get another phone call.

      Yes, I am a system admin. How do you know. :D

    16. Re:E-mail survey, right? by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      How does an instant messenger demand your attention? I regularly put IMs in the background when I'm locked into an issue that needs my full attention.

      The only issue was the former cow-orker who would call me on the phone and when I didn't answer, would immediately IM "u there? i want to call".

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      The cake is a pie
  2. Discussed this with my boss... by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I discussed this point with my boss once. I argued for e-mail:

    There may be a record (via phone company) of when a call took place, what number was dialed, and how long it took...

    ...but with an e-mail, all parties involved have a record of when it was sent, who received it, and what was said.

    That last part is hard to do with a phone conversation, legally anyway.
    =Smidge=

    1. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...but with an e-mail, all parties involved have a record of when it was sent, who received it, and what was said.


      which is why my manager at my last job would always call me, or stop by my cube or grab me as I walked by in the hall instead of email whenever she wanted to ensure that whatever idiotic thing she wanted done (the joys of being a network security guy) could not be traced back to her. But, I'd send her a note about it each time anyway. I like having my get out of jail free card. "just to verify, you wanted me to do $foo, and understand the implications, right?"
    2. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...but with an e-mail, all parties involved have a record of when it was sent, who received it, and what was said."

      What you really mean is who it was sent to. Without some sort of confirmation, you don't know that it actually got to any of the intended receipients, or that they looked at it if it did get to them. That can be a bit of a problem at times.

      Otherwise, agreed that a clear record of what was said is a great thing.

    3. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by Raideen · · Score: 1

      My boss just e-mails me and then calls me about what he wrote in the e-mail. Alternatively, he'll call my cell phone twice, my home phone, and then my cell phone again before leaving voicemail asking me to call him, but the voicemail doesn't provide any information on what he's calling me about (which is annoying because Verizon's voicemail system is painful to use). Sometimes I'll get e-mail that's just as informative as his voicemail. It could be a server that's on fire or he has another Excel question, but I have no way of knowing which it is until I call him back. If he does reach me (it's not like I'm unreachable, but people do go to the bathroom, take showers, go to the movies, and need sleep :-/ ), it's usually something that would've been covered better in e-mail. E-mail would also prevent him from mangling my explanation when he repeats it to the client. Proper use of any medium would be nice.

    4. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by ms1234 · · Score: 1

      This is what I do with my developers. Why spend more or less a whole day on sending email to each other when the issue can be resolved in 5 minutes on the phone. After that I send an email to the developer stating what we talked about so that it is documented.

      When ever I get a new developer the first thing I tell him or her is that forget the email, call me instead.

    5. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by toriver · · Score: 1

      That last part is hard to do with a phone conversation, legally anyway.

      As I understand it, it's perfectly legal to record any conversation to which you are a party, as long as it's stated up front before any recording takes place. "This conversation may be recorded for quality purposes" in Direct Marketing and all that jazz.

    6. Re:Discussed this with my boss... by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Right, because nothing says "I trust you" like openly recording your telephone calls. I suppose it'll work in the end though - nobody will even talk to you, so you don't even get involved in the first place.

      It's the Wally method of covering your ass!
      =Smidge=

  3. Slashdot Editors Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That it really didn't kill the phone. And the overlap between landline and mobile phone usage probably makes that 100% as well. And hundreds of millions of people get their email through a phone line using dial-up or DSL.

    1. Re:Slashdot Editors Forget by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

      What is this landline phone you speak of?

      I refused to use chat for years, but for interoffice communications, its quicker than email, and better than shouting "hey, what's that url again?"

    2. Re:Slashdot Editors Forget by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Can you point out these hundreds of millions of people still using dial-up? DSL is different, because you don't need an actual phone account to use a DSL line for internet connectivity.

    3. Re:Slashdot Editors Forget by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      And connecting to the Internet via DSL is not equivalent to communicating over the phone. Just b/c they use the same architecture, it doesn't make the end result the same. Just another person trying to poke holes in a story looking for a +5 Interesting.

  4. I'm not shocked... by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's say I wanted to ask someone a question, a simple question with no real need for an immediate reply. I send an e-mail. If I were to use regular phone, I have to deal with polite conversation which I may or may not have time for. Not that I don't mind idle conversation, it's just something I don't always want to deal with.

    Let's say someone was visiting me and there a traffic advisory, or something else they would need to index later. I would phone first, then text an instruction block to the phone. Same when grocery of component shopping.

    And messaging when someone is not around, e-mail is so much better than voice. Mobile phones are not always reliable to relay all the important words, and some people on land lines use really crappy answering machines, but an e-mail will always get the message out.

    E-mail is more important than phone these days. That's rather a fact of life. Welcome to the 21st century, where no one has to talk to anyone.

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    1. Re:I'm not shocked... by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's say I wanted to ask someone a question, a simple question with no real need for an immediate reply. I send an e-mail. If I were to use regular phone, I have to deal with polite conversation which I may or may not have time for. Not that I don't mind idle conversation, it's just something I don't always want to deal with.

      I love email for this very reason. Somebody asks me a question over the phone, if I don't have an immediate answer ready I have to get their contact information. That can be a pain in the butt, especially if we have a bad phone connection(It happens).

      With email, if I have the info I dump it into the email and send it off to them. I even tend to keep a 'faq' listing for that very purpose(no, I don't make it public, because I'm supposed to be providing the 'personal touch', and customize the answers a bit for the customer's exact situation). If I need to collect it, no big deal, I have their contact information right there. It's in my queue, so to speak.

      Unfortunately, most of my answers require research at this point because I just shifted positions and am still learning my new job.

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    2. Re:I'm not shocked... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      Let's say I wanted to ask someone a question, a simple question with no real need for an immediate reply. I send an e-mail. If I were to use regular phone, I have to deal with polite conversation which I may or may not have time for. Not that I don't mind idle conversation, it's just something I don't always want to deal with.

      I totally agree with the need for social talk on the phone, e-mail is often much more to-the-point, and that can take time.

      But then, e-mail is also much less personal. The "human touch" is gone. And I find that to actually make a deal, this human touch is a necessity. OK dealing with China that may be stronger than with Americans, still it's a very important part of human communication that gets lost in e-mail.

      In my business I find e-mail a great tool to get the first contact, followed up by a phone call or two, and a personal visit. After that it's often a lot of e-mail again because it's so damn convenient.

      Chat I barely use... the disadvantages of e-mail (indirect) and telephone (synchronous communication, must answer now) combined.

    3. Re:I'm not shocked... by Pandora's+Fairy · · Score: 1

      I am so glad we don't have to talk anymore. Will save me a whole lot of wrinkles lateron in life.

  5. obvious by User+956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From a productivity point-of-view, the research shows that instant messaging, blogs and softphones are considered most disruptive

    Probably because those three things are more typically used for personal reasons, not business reasons. It's not so much a problem with the tools, but the use. If they became more widely integrated into the workplace, they wouldn't be considered "disruptive".

    At any rate, if you have employees that are good at managing their own workflow, you don't have to worry about clamping down on "disruptive" technology.

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    1. Re:obvious by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I disagree; I think it's inherent to the technology. How could real-time communications such as phones and IM *not* be more disruptive than email? The other person is sitting and waiting for you to respond, and you know it. Of course that's disruptive.

    2. Re:obvious by User+956 · · Score: 1

      I think it's inherent to the technology. How could real-time communications such as phones and IM *not* be more disruptive than email?

      Because it's entirely telling that telephones are considered to be "productive", while IM is considered to be "disruptive". I've worked in an office where IM was used to great effect. not only can you have an almost telephone-quality conversation, but you can do other things that you can't to on the telephone, such as transfer files, communicate QUIETLY without having to shut the door to your office, communicate with someone who may already be on a conference call, and so on.

      The only reason IM is considered to be disruptive, vs, say, the telephone, is because most PHB's haven't caught on to the benefits yet.

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      The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
    3. Re:obvious by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      The managers at my call center use messengers to great effect for communication with each other. Though the very public very unencrypted messenger service they use seems strange for such a network security paranoid company...

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    4. Re:obvious by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Blogs? People actually use blogs as a means of person-to-person communication? Who reads personal blogs anyway? Reminds me a bit of this cartoon with two brides in a church and the groom saying to one of them 'didn't you get my e-mail?'. But instead it should read 'didn't you read my livejournal?'. That is, if there would be at least one livejournal blogger around that is emotionally stable enough to get married.

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  6. Reasons? by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People hate voice mail.
    It is easier to plan, revise and think-out email.
    People are nervous about speaking.
    E-mail leaves the ever-important trail to use against people later.
    You're already using the computer, so it seems like an extra effort at times to switch tasks to the phone.

    And this is the biggest supposition on my part, but it seems that people "look forward" to getting email, where as they feel annoyed anytime the phone rings.

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    1. Re:Reasons? by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      Also, unlike a phone call/message, email can contain pictures, drawings, etc.
      Yes, I realize that that you can fax images but, having worked for a building supply company, an electronic image that doesn't get lost, crumpled or have coffee spilled on it is often much more convenient, especially since all of our ordering and pricing was done on computers.

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    2. Re:Reasons? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Good addition. I should have thought of that.

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    3. Re:Reasons? by teh+moges · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What you said is true, but unfortionate in that it doesn't force people to learn how to speak to one another.
      You can't (at least, not right now that I know of) interview for a job by email.
      I always hate just emailing important things to other people. You can leave an email sit there, but you have to answer a phone call, or at least acknowledge that you know of the issue. An email can simply be discarded as "Oh, I haven't read that one yet". I prefer to phone to talk, and any important details get emailed. Any non-important issues are emailed, with a follow up call when they (invariably) haven't got back to me within a week.

      Maybe it is just where I work, but I can't rely on other people to read emails, despite it being corporate policy.

    4. Re:Reasons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are nervous about speaking.
      Nerds are nervous about speaking. On the other hand, it'd do good for the extroverts to think twice before yapping.
    5. Re:Reasons? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Closed email systems allow for read receipts, and I never understood why a standard for read receipts never caught on.

      I've worked for three major corporations, and all of them have been big on read receipts to track email, where as people can say, "oh, I didn't check my voice mail yet" just as easily as they can say they haven't read their email yet. However with a read receipt, you can verify if that is true.

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    6. Re:Reasons? by timeOday · · Score: 1
      The most horrible thing about voicemail is sequential access. People leave a big long-winded voicemail and then finally mumble their phone number at the end. Then you have to listen to the whole thing once or twice more, it's a time-waster.

      Also, transcription (of anything, from phone numbers to prescriptions) is error-prone. With email I always copy and paste rather than transcribe, but voicemail obviously precludes that.

    7. Re:Reasons? by jadin · · Score: 1

      [Slashdot] Reply to Reasons? by jadin

      Here.. I'll help you with your next fix.

    8. Re:Reasons? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Hopefully it does force people to become literate, though... wait, no. I've seen emails from "coporate"[sic] types full of E.E. Cummings letter-casing, gross misspellings, grammar screw-ups (primarily homonyms), etc. They speak better than they write already. They're good at the bullshit when it doesn't have to actually be recorded and can be referenced. I don't mind the phone, but if you want anything you say to stick to me (and you), use email.

    9. Re:Reasons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it is just where I work, but I can't rely on other people to read emails, despite it being corporate policy.

      If they aren't reading your emails, chances are it's because they are busy with something more important. By phoning them up, you are stopping them working on that important thing, whatever it is.

    10. Re:Reasons? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      And this is the biggest supposition on my part, but it seems that people "look forward" to getting email, where as they feel annoyed anytime the phone rings. You're right, but I think that's because it's relatively new technology. There are plenty of people (like me, I'm an old fart, but not that old of a fart) who did not grow up with email. Compare that to the number of people who grew up without telephone service. I predict though that that will begin to change as people become used to the fact that >90% (and getting worse every day) of email is spam. Unless of course if you are one of the lucky few who happen to be shopping for penis enlargement or believe the "you've won the UK lottery!" spam email ...
    11. Re:Reasons? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I am hoping that the iPhone does one thing to the entire phone industry, and that is Visual voice mail. So you can just replay that one annoying message and not all of them.

      and no I don't own an iPhone. it's too pricey for me and I don't like AT&T edge enough to actually pay for it.

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    12. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      I used to hate voice mail because cell phones suck so hard that it is difficult to receive them and you gotta sit and listen through them all. With my new (shameless plug) iPhone though, that is a thing of the past. By picking and choosing which voicemail I listen to (or delete), I get the asynchronous-style communication of e-mail. I like to think of it as voice e-mail.

      Such a simple feature! Why hasn't EVERY cell phone done this before (or yet)?

      Oh and by the way, excellent post!

    13. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Writing is the prefered form of communication for intellectual types. My wife would much rather write out her thoughts and read a review than tell somebody about them or listen to a radio review. I prefer discussion forums and e-mail, because it lets me think before I say. I'm an awful live debater, but I can hold my own behind a keyboard (most of us can, with all the resources available to us this way).

      E-mail is relatively new? I had e-mail in college (1988-1992) so forgive me if I don't consider it to be new. I would say that it isn't even new to the mainstream (I'd guess email became mainstream in about 1996-1998, but just guessing?)

      Also, in a strangely inverse correlation, the more we become dependent on e-mail, the LESS spam I've been getting over the years. Maybe it is my operating system (Mac OS X), my .mac e-mail account or my Time Warner internet service provider, but I haven't received a single SPAM since I moved back to the US a month ago. At my old job (US School overseas) our Outlook Server did a great job of eliminating all junk email (zero in two years). England (BT in specific), was pretty bad in that I'd get about 10-15 porn/spam emails a day. But that is still far from 90% of all of my email.

    14. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      I hate when people slap "read receipt" on every email they ever send. It is disengenious for them to think they are so important that I have to read the "Mandatory Company BBQ Details" e-mail.

      If my boss can't depend on me to be professional enough to read my emails (i.e., do my job) without having to check up on me with email flags, then I don't want to work for that person.

      On the flipside, my employees (all less than 10 of them) are expected to use email. Ignoring email, or hiding behind "technology problems" is grounds for dismissal in my book. If my employees don't respond or react to an email in the appropriate way, a reminder email or phone call or personal visit is well in order. Actually, most everything I've given in email instructions (or received) is coupled WITH in-person instructions. The email is usually a "courtesy copy" reminder.

    15. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      People who rely on these little flags lack management skills.

      All a "read receipt" tag does is confirm an e-mail has been opened. There is nothing confirming if it was read, understood, followed up on, etc; only management skill can do that. When I'm quickly going through hundreds of emails, I can easily open a "read receipt" email and quickly disregard it as not important and delete it without reading it.

    16. Re:Reasons? by icebrain · · Score: 1

      "Such a simple feature! Why hasn't EVERY cell phone done this before (or yet)? "

      Because then they (the phone companies) can't charge you airtime to listen to all of them. That's why they don't have a "skip" feature, or a "delete message without waiting till end" (at least that I can find).

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    17. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I didn't think of that. They are always out to screw us, I tell ya. But I think this sort of business mentality is dying out. For as much bad-mouthing AT&T gets, at least they bought off on the visual voice mail for the iPhone. When a company sees an untapped "feature" like this, perhaps it is better for them to get more people to use their product because of the feature, instead of bilking their current users with outdated billing policies. In otherwords, kudos to AT&T for giving in to Steve Jobs' demands and seeing the benefit. It sold me on a $60/month plan.

    18. Re:Reasons? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      E-mail is relatively new? I had e-mail in college (1988-1992) so forgive me if I don't consider it to be new. I said it was relatively new. The telephone has essentially been around forever as far as anyone reading this discussion is concerned. Compared to that, email is relatively new. My children will grow up with email, I didn't.

      But that is still far from 90% of all of my email. You must be new here and/or very lucky. I've had my primary email address (it's not @gmail.com) for over ten years and it's been harvested quite a lot now, even though I haven't used it in a public forum since 2000 or so. Spam filters catch most of it, but I have to check the filters every so often due to false positives. Outside of work, almost all of the email I get is spam and the ratio is much higher than 90%.
    19. Re:Reasons? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      That is interesting. I don't use any filtering system (knowingly) and am at zero spam for four weeks straight. I'm sorry to hear your woes, but just looking around at friends and family, I would guess spam email is more like 10-25 per cent. There is no way that 90% is the norm.

  7. Triumvirate Communicae by skoaldipper · · Score: 5, Informative

    Email for instruction. Telephone for clarification. Remote VNC when the other two fail.

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    1. Re:Triumvirate Communicae by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded funny instead of informative?

      even tho' it may seem funny, it is the reality in a lot of places.

      Wish I had mod points.

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    2. Re:Triumvirate Communicae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny we do it a different order

      They call/email with a problem, we then call to set up remote vnc to see what the problem really is, then we fix it, and either call to say its done (and risk been given another problem) or email them to say its done.

      Its hard enough to talk most our users through starting our support software (visit website, download and run program) we wouldn't stand a chance of them being able to follow instructions in an email

      Posted AC for obvious reasons

    3. Re:Triumvirate Communicae by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you "get" latin.

      Nice username. It represents you well.

  8. My opinion by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I gotta throw out my opinion here, with a bit of perspective from my last employer. Not everyone I worked with was nice. But the mantra was throughout the company, if you can't get them on the phone, hunt them down in person. So when someone got a bug up his ass about some issue, they would call my phone... over and over. You couldn't send them to voicemail... they would know right away you were there... so you had to wait out the three or four consecutive phone calls in hopes that they will just give up. But they rarely did. They would storm into my office ranting and raving about XYZ and they need ABC and whatever else they could complain about to keep me from my work. I honestly fought for an hour with a coworker (salesguy) that FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME STILL COULDN'T INSERT A PICTURE, FROM FILE, INTO A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION! And somehow this was my fault, because I was the computer guy. But I digress... anyway, even on the phone, they all went a mile a minute, giving me no time to think, no time to compose, nothing I could do where I could come out on top of that situation.

    For this sake I preferred email corrispondance. I could think, sometimes over hours, what I needed to say, and constuctively lay it out how the situation needed.

    But the old folks out there... the ones who insist I wear a tie, shine my shoes, shave my face TO SIT BEHIND A DESK, actually told me I was no longer allowed to respond to any issues of ANY kind via email. It had to be by phone.

    Seriously, welcome to the 21st century. It is the future. A better mousetrap has been made. Quit making me catch mice with a broomstick and a bucket.

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    1. Re:My opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those who didn't catch it, in PowerPoint, there is a menu item "Insert->Picture->From File". I couldn't justify wasting my karma on such a tiny FYI

    2. Re:My opinion by fat_mike · · Score: 1

      They probably did that because they were emberassed by you grammar.

      You sound like the job is beneath you and its their fault. Dick.

    3. Re:My opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably did that because they were embarrassed by your grammar.

      You sound like the job is beneath you and it's their fault. Dick.

    4. Re:My opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably did that because they were emberassed by you grammar. Ahem. "embarrassed by your grammar"

      You sound like the job is beneath you and its their fault. "it's their fault"

      Dick. brainconstipation.org indeed.
    5. Re:My opinion by geobeck · · Score: 1

      A better mousetrap has been made. Quit making me catch mice with a broomstick and a bucket.

      You had a broomstick?! I had to entice the mice into the bucket using a ball of earwax as bait! And after I caught them, I had to call the boss on our interphone system, making sure the string was pulled tight enough for him to hear me.

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    6. Re:My opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better

      Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in /home/.hops/fatmike/brainconstipation.org/index.ph p on line 4

    7. Re:My opinion by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      I honestly fought for an hour with a coworker (salesguy) that FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME
      I don't think it's good for your mental health to accept this kind of behaviour. Ask the guy to leave your office or when he won't do this, walk away yourself.

      Taking this kind of crap from people will create frustrations for yourself. Before you know it, you'll come home somewhat angry and vent it on the gf/wife. Not good!
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    8. Re:My opinion by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Sounds like the problem might just be you and not everyone else. Seriously, your post has all the earmarks of the Saturday Night Live computer guy...someone calls for technology help (sounds like that is your job) and you get mad at them for not knowing how to do something computer related...."MOVE!"....

      Couple that with your unwillingness to shave for a paycheck? Seriously? Dude, you need to be self-employed, and not be in the business of helping people.

      To stay on topic, as an Instructional Designer (technology related), I find e-mail to be an excellent medium for me to deliver instruction, because I can insert screen shots and multi-media elements that help the end user accomplish a task ON THEIR OWN time. I wouldn't be able to talk somebody through many technology issues in training over the phone, but a simulation or multi-media presentation can, and they can run it as many times as they need. Educational theory shows that people learn and retain better when they figure things out on their own instead of people telling them something, so in this regard, I find e-mail to be excellent. Break their dependency from calling you every 2 minutes and you'd be a happier guy all around.

    9. Re:My opinion by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      I know my original post was a bit over the top, but your reply isn't unique, but better layed out, so I am willing to reply.

      In the specific instance of this salesguy I pointed out... he had been with the company oh so many yeas more than me. Back when they didn't have a computer in the whole place. But he was one of the first to get one... after all technology can only help him, right? Wrong. From Office 95->98->2000->XP->2003 it is absolutely NOT ok to NOT know how to insert a picture from a file. Seriously... what was he doing for the past 10 years that he couldn't grasp this? Why was he too good to look in help? And most importantly, it was staring him in the face... Insert->Picture->From File. Do you SEE the problem? Because it involved a computer, he thought it was my job to do his computer work. Ultimately, that was the whole companys attitude... "We have a computer guy. Let's make the biggest effort to NOT pay attention to what we are doing on the computer, not to pick up anything, not to look for help on our own, and blame the computer guy for the most unrelated computer problems we can dream up".

      And that isn't all that made me bitter. I was hired to do programming. More specifically, to fix/recode their desktop applications that were coded by someone who didn't know what they were doing. Not only was this TRUE, but it was explained to me JUST LIKE THAT on my interview with them. But I had work experience with Web Development, Network Administration, Hardware Engineering... All of a sudden, I started to get so much work to do, I can only estimate at my time of leaving that, if given no new work, I still wouldn't be done given THREE YEARS to complete it. No, I am NOT exaggerating.

      Lastly, I sat behind a desk, away from most people. Interaction was done by email or phone. Why did I need to dress up like the sales people, or customer service reps, when no one even looked at me (except in a fit of rage)? Sure, fine. I'll bite it. I have to dress nice. But the deal with shaving my face? Close to 90% of everyone there had facial hair. The older men usually sported a puffy beard/moustache combo. WHY CAN'T *I* HAVE A SMALL MUSTACHE? I will tell you why. My job was not souly the "computer guy", but I was the company experiment to see how far they could push someone.

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  9. My current boss does that. by khasim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I lost points on my last review because of my "over reliance" on email. And I'll probably lose points on the next one.

    Don't forget that in a lot of email systems I can tell when you've opened my email and whether you deleted it or not.

    Email is its own paper trail AND with magical CYA powers. And that really annoys a certain type of personality.

    1. Re:My current boss does that. by afidel · · Score: 1

      If you work for a publicly traded company or a business that's healthcare related then it is REQUIRED by law that there be a paper trail. There must be documentation of any and all system changes along with authorization from designated personnel. Next time your boss bitches about the paper trail just blame it on SOX/HIPPA and the auditors.

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    2. Re:My current boss does that. by bzipitidoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why do you put up with it? Not a company wide problem, deeply embedded in the culture, just one or 2 managers? But if that's all it is, why not complain about those managers? If it is the whole company, why stay? Is it that finding another job is hard, and a pain, what with maybe having to move? Job market is bad, despite what everyone is saying? Or, don't want the troubles that come with being a whistleblower? Or you aren't putting up with it, but you're not quite ready to move yet?

      One thing I realized after a particularly unpleasant employment experience was that my inaction had abetted the enemy. After some truly dismal performances by the incompetent and corrupt management, they gained themselves one last chance by blaming and sacrificing all of us. It did them no good, of course. Had I made more noise, had I so much as quit sooner, it might have made a difference and got them all exposed sooner. I kept all my emails, just in case.

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    3. Re:My current boss does that. by SRA8 · · Score: 2

      "If you work for a publicly traded company or a business that's healthcare related then it is REQUIRED by law that there be a paper trail. There must be documentation of any and all system changes along with authorization from designated personnel. Next time your boss bitches about the paper trail just blame it on SOX/HIPPA and the auditors."
      There is the law, and then there is corporate practice. Tell my boss about SOX and he is likely to have you fired before he starts documenting some of what they do.

    4. Re:My current boss does that. by afidel · · Score: 1

      Wow, I would be dropping an anonymous tip about my boss's behavior to HR and internal audit if I ever got it trouble for doing my job correctly.

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    5. Re:My current boss does that. by SRA8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps once i quit the firm. Anonymous is not really anonymous, as the circle of people who understand processes is quite small. It would be obvious I ratted him out if I did.

    6. Re:My current boss does that. by GunFodder · · Score: 1

      You're probably not too worried about the situation because when eventually there is a screw-up you'll have an audit trail and your boss won't. There's nothing like instant karma.

    7. Re:My current boss does that. by crackspackle · · Score: 1

      What annoys me is when I informally send one person an email in response to a problem that they have created only to have them turn around and send a formal email to God and the world in response to a "problem" I created. CYA my ass - some people use it for politics.

      That said, telephones have the overall immediacy and presence akin to instant messaging. It's good when the situation is really critical but most of the time it's not. Email most often has the proper distance factor. It lets people know they have a situation that needs to be resolved and gives them time to compose their thoughts.

    8. Re:My current boss does that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand this common response on Slashdot. "Just Quit!" Like you can clap your hands and automatically have a better job in all respects.

      Did you ever consider that his job might be otherwise fine? Maybe he is overpaid, or has already put a bunch of years in and would be walking away from his golden handcuffs? Perhaps he is in an area where he lives close to his office and the nearest opportunity might require him to drive an hour away? What if he quits and his next boss is an asshole too? Do you suggest he just keeps jumping ships until no one will hire him?

      I have had an asshole boss before. Aside from that, my job was an amazing experience where I got to work with brilliant people, was appreciated by the business and my coworkers, got to work with and build technology of a quality I still have not yet seen elsewhere, and I earned a very nice salary for my experience level. I wasn't going to leave all that just because my manager was inexperienced and wanted to micromanage every last detail. I eventually got moved to another group, and everything was great until the company got bought by a behemoth and put the corporate stranglehold on us (then I left, where I am now unhappy but overpaid and sticking it out until I can find something new internally).

      People have families, people have ties to their communities and companies. People with careers don't just walk away because they are in a bad situation. I really question whether people suggesting to "Just Quit!" have McDonald's type support jobs where they can just move next door to make their 40k/year. In my world, things just don't happen like that.

    9. Re:My current boss does that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that in a lot of email systems I can tell when you've opened my email and whether you deleted it or not. I bet you lost points because you complained about not getting read receipts back from coworkers in what you thought was a timely manner. I disable all of my read receipts when possible so people with your type of personality don't get the satisfaction of dictating my email habits. If I knew you could tell I'd deleted it, I'd print and delete them all too. Go see me in person if you need to, don't be shy, and send a follow up email if you really need to.
  10. Ugh, email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now don't get me wrong, email has its uses. However, I would MUCH rather use a phone for most day-to-day business activities. Here's why:

    - You're a lot more likely to get an answer in a timely manner if you call the person first, and THEN email them if they're not there, than if you just email and wait for a reply. I don't keep outlook open all the time because I find it a nuisance and it crashes all a time; phones don't crash usually.
    - It takes longer to write (and to read) an email than to make a phone call.
    - You don't get to show off your communication skills (such as bargaining) as much through email as you do on the phone.

    Of course, over both of these, I prefer to walk down the hall to the person's cube and talk to them in person, but that seems outdated these days.

    1. Re:Ugh, email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, don't use Outlook?

    2. Re:Ugh, email by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      Are you in sales, customer service, or management? These are the only positions I can think of where a phone call is more important. In sales you need to "show off your communication skills" by hawking your wares. People like email because they can delete you instantaneously, where it is harder (but I still do it) to hang up on you. If you are in Customer Service, most people expect to be stuck on the phone for an hour talking to multiple levels of people who either don't speak English or have no idea what they are customer servicing. I guess that is better than waiting days/weeks to get an automated email response that says "do not respond to this"? Finally, most managers aren't nearly as important as they think they are, and it is in their personality to call somebody up and make them do something on-the-spot with absolute disregard for the employees other tasks.

      I'm with you though, in wondering what happened to the people skill of speaking to someone in person?

    3. Re:Ugh, email by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      Not if you call me. Often as not, I won't answer the phone. My job requires concentration. Answering the phone has to be done *right now*, and thus breaks my concentration. Every time I have to answer the phone, I lose productivity.

      Perhaps you should 1) get an email program that doesn't crash and 2) learn to write well enough to show off communications skills in text.

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  11. jabber by SolusSD · · Score: 1

    Honestly-- I prefer being contacted at work via Instant message. We have an in house Jabber sever set up. Very convienent. It amazes me how many businesses have no problem using AIM or MSN Messenger to communicate at work when it is fairly straightforward to setup a jabber server.

    1. Re:jabber by Mazin07 · · Score: 1

      Businesses can use MSN Messenger with Exchange server to set up their own in-house IM network. Employees can be assigned screennames names using their work e-mail and real name (no "wiseguy9391823"-type). They can only chat within their network.

  12. email killed the FAX machine by p51d007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    since I'm in the "document" business, I'm seeing more and more people (thankfully) going from a fax, to using email. A lot of multi-function-printers (MFP) have the ability to connect to a network connection. You can scan to email, scan to fax and also reverse it, printing what needs to be printed, or, fax to a "fax email" box, which would be networked, passworded so the intended receiver has access to the fax. Look at the document, edit, forward, or print, or simply delete. Scan to email, obviously, is a LOT faster than a fax. 20 pages on a fax, can, depending on the quality (or lack thereof) of the phone line can take 15-30 minutes! With an email, it is almost instant.

  13. EDITOR CHECK PLZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    80% + 76% + 66% = 222% !!!

    1. Re:EDITOR CHECK PLZ by sethawoolley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aren't you glad you posted that one anonymously.

    2. Re:EDITOR CHECK PLZ by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      ... and 222% of people rejected the survey, making the assumption that everyone used only one form of communication in the workplace.

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  14. Say that again in English please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Over 70% of the end-users surveyed say e-mail impacts positively on their productivity

    Where was this survey conducted, PHB-land?

  15. Duh... by FlyByPC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Email is asynchronous. Also, for (legitimate) emails, it's a lot more time-consuming for the sender to type it (~40wpm?) than for the recipient to read it (~a few hundred wpm). It doesn't take as much time -- and can be saved for handy reference, too.

    I for one welcome our new SMTP overlords.

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    1. Re:Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't seem much mention of "texting." Perhaps that's because "old people" like us use email more than texting one another's phones.

      I'll never forget the two "old" guys on the Tonight Show sending a message via CW outpacing the two kids im'ing with "abbreviated" spelling of words. Not that I expect a comeback of CW, but I do expect "texting" to overtake email in the workplace as the workforce gets younger.

    2. Re:Duh... by value_added · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our new SMTP overlords.

      More probably, it's the new MAPI overlords you'll have to welcome.

    3. Re:Duh... by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      I don't seem much mention of "texting." Perhaps that's because "old people" like us use email more than texting one another's phones.

      I'll never forget the two "old" guys on the Tonight Show sending a message via CW outpacing the two kids im'ing with "abbreviated" spelling of words. Not that I expect a comeback of CW, but I do expect "texting" to overtake email in the workplace as the workforce gets younger. I use IM at home, among family and friends; I would use it at work if it were accepted. Email is the norm, though, so I go with that (and use the phone as little as possible.) I do find email preferable, since it's easier to search archives, keep important emails in the inbox as a to-do list etc.
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  16. for certain limited definitions of "kill" by jfruhlinger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And by "kill" we mean "is used 25 percent more often than", according to one survey. But we might as well have a funeral now, right?

    1. Re:for certain limited definitions of "kill" by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yep, amazing. They lifted the already stupid title of TFA and managed to make it even more stupid by replacing the only accurate word ("overtakes") with "kills"... sigh.

  17. Results due mostly to the survey question? by kevinatilusa · · Score: 1

    I think the culprit may be that they divided fixed-line telephones and mobile telephones into two separate categories for the survey, but kept e-mail as a single category.

    If they had made a survey where the phones were kept as a single category but e-mail was divided into two categories (say a company sponsored server vs. a third party e-mail service like Yahoo) the results would probably have been reversed.

  18. Pretty obvious... by Ian123 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems obvious that new tech will replace old tech. That said I still find that picking up the phone gets more done then an email. For the simple reason that people have to respond right away. It's simply harder (but not impossible) to stonewall.

    1. Re:Pretty obvious... by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      Getting an immediate response isn't always the best. When people make a phone call, usually they expect some sort of answer and sometimes a problem requires thought to figure out. In my opinion, I'd rather be informed of a problem and then be given time to think it over. Phone calls are disruptive because it often times takes a lot longer for them to say something then it does for you to read an email that they've typed. Maybe it may take longer for them to type than speak, but in the end, at least i have a copy of the problem and can refer to it in the future as opposed to having to call them back. It allows me to focus on the problem and give it more attention as opposed to someone complaining in my ear and waiting for a quick answer.

      quicker isn't always better.

  19. emial != productive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get the most email, but it doesn't make me the most productive. If you call me on the phone, you will get results. If you send me an email with a due date of tomorrow, I may not even notice it for a couple of weeks.

    I look at email that pertains to what I'm doing *now*-- everything else is filed, "later".

  20. And in other news... by punxking · · Score: 1

    fire is still hot, and rain is still wet... film at eleven.

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    1. Re:And in other news... by toriver · · Score: 1

      This just in: Films still come at eleven. Watch our inquisitive documentary "But Which Time Zone?" right after these messages.

  21. Research? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    Research reveals that 100% of the end-users surveyed use e-mail
    Research? Is that some blogging site I've never heard of?
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  22. I find the phone quite disruptive by bmajik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Email and IM are the tools of choice at work. The crappy voip phones in our office use meridian mail, which I can only surmise was designed as an enormous practical joke on how to make someone quit their job merely over the tools instead of anything strictly job related... and which was accidentally shipped.

    Our phones have this big red light on them when you have a voice mail waiting. Since somebody setup Meridian to ask you for a new voice mail password (one you've not used recently) every... what is it, 6 minutes?.. and since someone leaves me a voice mail once every 6 months.. invariably that light would come on and i'd have no way of getting it to shut off. Well, eventually I just unplugged my phone for a while and luckliy, when I moved desks and plugged it in, the light was gone. Now when people call me and try to leave voice mail, they get this horrible message saying this user hasn't setup their voice mail. Say it along with me in your best mortal combat announcer voice: "Flawless Victory!"

    In any case, my phone is effectively a 1 way device. I use it to make non-work-related calls, or to dial into conference calls that aren't using pc/ip based audio streaming.

    I'd like to dump the phone altogether and use a soft phone that integrates with an IM client. If I'm sitting at my laptop, we can communicate, and chances are, you'll try IM first.

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    1. Re:I find the phone quite disruptive by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Ugh. Meridian. I still haven't set up my voice mail after 9 months at my work. Everyone who calls just gets "This user is not subscribed to this service" (subscribed? wtf?). Funnily enough, I think my predecessor using the same phone on the same PC and same port did have voicemail, it just mysteriously died.

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    2. Re:I find the phone quite disruptive by dkf · · Score: 1

      In any case, my phone is effectively a 1 way device. Smart move! I prefer to just tell people that they have the wrong number; our internal directory is enough out of date that they'll believe it and I only give out my number to external people that I really want to call me.

      I use it to make non-work-related calls, or to dial into conference calls that aren't using pc/ip based audio streaming. Having done a lot of conference calls the past few years, the main thing for them to work seems to be to have some sort of screen-sharing set up. Without that, life is painful. And IP-based audio streaming doesn't work too well with such systems alas: very few sites have enough bandwidth to support proper screen sharing and a non-choppy audio stream at the same time (remember, it's the uplink bandwidth that's the limiting factor!) Having a real phone for the audio (the best you can do without real QoS for the IP audio stream) at least means that everyone in the conference call gets to hear what's going on, since telephones use a bandwidth reservation system (circuit switching) for their data channel. Choppy audio (and I've heard it go as far as losing 75-80% of every second) is truly impossible to use.

      (Oh no! I've mentioned QoS! This'll bring out the net neutrality kooks! Well, this is good QoS I'm talking about, in that it is serving the customer who is paying for the connection.)
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  23. Voice mail sucks too by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 0

    Ever get any that last over 5 minutes?

    Damn bitch, too lazy to e-mail me.

    Deleted, and ignored, just like spam.

    Yeah, Carla, I'm talking about you.

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    1. Re:Voice mail sucks too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell companies don't LET you shut off voicemail service. Sure, they don't charge you for it, but atleast let me opt out! They laughed at me in the store when I asked, yes, laughed! I hate voicemail with a passion.

    2. Re:Voice mail sucks too by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Well, aren't I glad I live in Europe.

      I don't need to opt out; I just send a code to deactivate it, and each and every provider gives you the list of their codes for most common operations.

      Here, if people want to leave you a message when you don't pick up the phone (or just prefer not to talk to you), they send a text message. I don't know a single person who uses voicemail. Ever.

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    3. Re:Voice mail sucks too by Damienov · · Score: 1

      i'm glad i lived in asia too we just use sms for it

    4. Re:Voice mail sucks too by Heftklammerdosierer! · · Score: 1

      You could just not set up your voicemail. At least on AT&T, it'll tell the would-be voice-mailer that you don't have your inbox set up.

  24. The extra bits in voice mail by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1



    [VOICEMAIL]
    "Um. Hi. Yeah. How are you? I just wanted to call to touch base and see how you were doing. Give me a call when you get a chance. Talk to you soon. Buy."

    [Me]
    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

    [EMAIL]
    Hey, whats up?

    Email wins.

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  25. but I thought email was dead? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wasn't there an article on /. a few weeks back that claimed that email was dead? So now email is alive and is killing the phone?

    1. Re:but I thought email was dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our zombie email overlords.
       
      FONEZZZ! FONEZZZ!

    2. Re:but I thought email was dead? by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      Actually, police now believe that it was a murder/suicide. Quite a mess.

    3. Re:but I thought email was dead? by post.scriptum · · Score: 1

      Zombie email is eating phone's brain, duh.

    4. Re:but I thought email was dead? by mattmatt · · Score: 1

      Netcraft didn't confirm it.

  26. kinda silly by trb · · Score: 1

    it says 100% email, 80% fixed-line phone, 76% cell phone. That adds up to 156% phone, or probably at least 100% or so. and as for the advantages of email vs phone, both have their grace. email is easier to manage and save. but if you're going to have a conversation involving give and take, face to face is better than phone, which is better than email.

  27. Flawed survey-result logic... by ErnstKompressor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think if you add the landline and mobile percentages togther, you have 100% "Telephone" usage -- It's like asking if you get your e-mail "wirelessly" or "wired"...

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    1. Re:Flawed survey-result logic... by jac89 · · Score: 1

      Those percentages cant just be 'added' together. There is an overlap of people who use both mobile phones and landlines.

  28. Today... by EspressoFreak · · Score: 1

    People are most receptive of using e-mail because it is the least intrusive medium of communication, giving their respondents almost absolute freedom in constructing, or denying, an appropriate response.

    1. Re:Today... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I think the cubicle is another thing that drives it, on two fronts. One is privacy, or the lack of it, that a cubicle gives you. The other is that when you're having a phone conversation, it can bother people around you who are trying to focus on what they're doing. So, I use email for non-urgent communication at work. If it's more urgent, I'll use jabber or, if I think a call is best, I'm more likely to walk over and have a face to face conversation, which beats a phone call hands down.

      If I have a non-business call to receive or make on my cell, I leave my desk and grab a nearby meeting room or go to the engineering lounge (no, we really have one, with a commercial beer fridge, even) or step outside for a few minutes.

      My desk phone is bottom of the barrel in my list of communication devices, I think I've used it 2 or 3 times all year.

  29. If you add fixed and mobile telephony together by KNicolson · · Score: 1

    What percentage do you get? Why not separate POP versus IMAP as different types of email since it's being done for telephony? My employer, for instance, has got rid of almost all fixed line phones and replaced them with WiFi-based mobiles so drawing conclusions about almost 0% of our staff using fixed lines would be misleading.

  30. Reminds me of our new VOIP system by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few months ago my company came through the office and tore out everyone's regular phones and replaced them with super-duper Cisco VOIP sets.

    The things are crap (you have to sign into them every morning ... as if I don't have enough passwords to remember already, now I need to sign in to my freaking phone?) but they do have one upshot. If I just don't sign into the thing, nobody can call me -- the calls just roll right over into voice mail. And since my voicemails get emailed to me as attachments (where I can conveniently play them at faster-than-normal speed), I can basically ignore the phone handset and do everything through my PC.

    By my unofficial count, I'd say something like 30-50 percent of the office is doing the same thing, either intentionally or just because they can't remember to sign into the phones in the morning. I think it's actually boosted productivity -- nobody uses the phones to call around the office anymore, unless they've already sent an email or an IM to see if the person is available on the other end.

    Maybe they're not so bad after all...

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    1. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by petwalrus · · Score: 1

      The phone logins seem quite unnecessary. We have the same super-duper Cisco IP phone system here, but everyones phone is just assigned to its user. I suppose if you had a new desk everyday you came in that would be important...

    2. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by godzilla808 · · Score: 1

      petwalrus is right. Blame your IT department, not the phones. :) The idea is that if you move around the office a bunch, you can sign in to any available phone. If your just sitting at your desk all of the time, obviously this isn't necessary. Getting your voice mail in you inbox is awesome, though.

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    3. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by toadlife · · Score: 1

      "Getting your voice mail in you inbox is awesome, though."

      Not for the poor sysadmin who has to deal with Cisco Unity. :(

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    4. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by ahaning · · Score: 1

      What happens if you dial 911 before signing into your phone?

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    5. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1


      Which model of phone are you using? We've got models 7912 and 7960 here. I don't recall them possessing any ability to require logins before functioning. We're a VOIP developer/provider and use our own SIP proxies and gateways, so that might make a difference. I know that we're not running the Cisco call management software.

    6. Re:Reminds me of our new VOIP system by devilspgd · · Score: 1

      It can be done on the PBX, rather then in the phone... The sign in process is usually fairly simple, involves picking up and dialing *12, your extension and pin.

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  31. IM is great for sending URLs. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    Sending URLs is a big benefit of IM applications in tech-heavy offices. Our mailserver has a rather significant lag (actually, not everyone in the office uses the same server, so sometimes it can be quick and other times 10-15 mins or longer), and hand-copying URLs leads to errors.

    Although something like TinyURL within the intranet would probably be handy (the IT security people seem to really hate it when people use the public one...), the way people were usually sending URLs around was just by pasting them into Notepad and printing the document out. This behavior has almost totally stopped since we got an IM system.

    OTOH, IM can be just as annoying as traditional phones because it has a tendency to go off while you're in the middle of things, but at least you can set an away message and warn people off (and suppress messages). And I could see how it could be isolating and lead to a lack of contact if overused. But for "hey, Joe, let me send you the address for that page," it's quite nice.

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    1. Re:IM is great for sending URLs. by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Its also great for "stalking" - most people have their IM client start up automatically when they boot their computer, so you know when they're in the office, even when you aren't.

      So what's with this "Online - Invisible" bit - who do they think they're fooling, marking themselves as "Online - Invisible"? Its like little kids who thing that because they can't see you, you can't see them. Hmmm, maybe its just a Windows thing ...

  32. Not a verifiable record by Rix · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless both parties are signing their messages, either side can edit them to their hearts content, and there's no way to prove who (if either) is being honest. Even if they are signing them, they can simply ignore your message and claim it was never sent.

    1. Re:Not a verifiable record by tftp · · Score: 2, Informative

      In most cases email is difficult to bury. Aside from mandatory logging which any large company has to have, there are always backups. Besides, if there are multiple recipients of the email then it's very hard to convince the court that all of those unrelated and disinterested parties conspired to fake an email complete with reasonable headers etc. And if you keep mail logs then these headers can be checked against the log, and if there was a message sent then it's practically proven - unless it's a criminal case where requirements for conviction may be tougher.

  33. Ever hear of a headset? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >With a phone call my attention is solely with one person and >that's just not a good way to operate for MOST functions of
    >my day

    I always talk on the phone while gaming to kill two birds with one stone and maximize my precious free time. I also dont mind doing the dishes as that is my podcast time.

    But seriously buddy,... both my parents and in laws have cordless phones with headsets and both moms talk on the phone while they cook or work in the backyard. And my folks have a cellphone with bluetooth headset (you know, safety on the road) and voice activation.
    They seem to have mastered technology faster than you.

    Your geek credits have been revoked.

    1. Re:Ever hear of a headset? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They seem to have mastered technology faster than you.

      I'm talking about at work. I don't have a choice which technology to use. Jesus you're a fucktard.

  34. Not silly, totally bogus dude by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

    If they would have just asked 'do you use a landline or a mobile in your day to day communications' there wouldn't be silly sensationalist slurs of the statistical sort that we are seeing.

  35. 3 forms of communication, 1 point of failure by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    What happens when all 3 go over the very same T1 line, and it being down is the problem? I've always hated the idea of VOIP for this reason alone. It is unfortunate that putting all services over the same pipe gives you a single point of failure, because doing so is very convenient (until the line goes down)!

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    1. Re:3 forms of communication, 1 point of failure by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Who DOESN'T have a cell phone or land line independent from said T1 line? Do companies actually depend 100% on VOIP for all their telephony needs? I seriously have never heard of this, so if it is true, my ignorance..

  36. Perception of read receipts as a spammer tool by tepples · · Score: 1

    Closed email systems allow for read receipts, and I never understood why a standard for read receipts never caught on. Because senders of unsolicited bulk e-mail use read receipts to confirm that their messages are being read, a lot of user agents that are initially configured for use with public e-mail are also initially configured to ignore read receipts.
  37. CYA - Now that's what I'm talking about!! by biomech · · Score: 1

    I really began to appreciate business email while working at my previous employer.

    In both cases, one involving a vendor and the other the company's owner, I was able to avoid some serious cases of being beaten with the old "What I told you was ..." stick when I printed out some emails that proved otherwise. There are times when it's been the only real defence against randomly convenient memory loss or bad or outright wrong instructions.

    It's amazing how small a piece of paper can cover a large piece of anatomy.

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  38. Did anyone else read this as by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

    Email has overtaken telepathy?

  39. Types of communication will continue to vary by coleopterana · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I still want my phone so I can do things like call my sister in LA and hear my niece's first words to me, want to call family and actually speak to them on holidays when I can't see them face to face. Email is by far my favorite way of communication, but in terms of maintaining certain kinds of connections with people, I want a way to hear them (or see them) in realtime too. And no--the 6 month old baby does not email. We've simply found that email especially for business is much more consistent and efficient and that has an impact on our personal lives because naturally the same holds true.

  40. Bullsh*t by alcmaeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are apparently supposed to conclude that 20% of the people in business do not have telephone service?

    I am guessing telephone service in business is 100% as well. Now, we could make a similarly arbitrary distinction between email gotten via pop3 through a desktop client and IMAP email gotten through a desktop client and pop3 through a web client adn IMAP through a web client and I bet all four of those would fall below land lines in adoption.

  41. Flawed flawed logic by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

    I agree with you on what you are Trying to say.. but what you actually said was horribly incorrect...
    think for a moment here

    X % find hard lines useful
    Y % find mobiles useful
    Z % found BOTH useful
    A % found neither useful

    X+Y-Z = Number who found either useful
    X+Y-Z = 1-A

    why?
    because X+Y+A > 100%
    in your case X+Y alone was > 100%

    so I conclude with:
    M = % of people who don't understand probability/logic

    There are people who like having landlines but don't want you to have mobile access to them
    there are people who like mobile and think the landlines just tie them down.... I happen to be one of them.. If I'm at my desk why do I need a landline? Give me a voip Softphone through my laptop so that I can hear the rings and everyone else doesn't have to.. plus I wouldn't have to look up every number on my computer's address book just to dial it in...

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    1. Re:Flawed flawed logic by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

      oops... and there are people who like both.. one of whom just called me, and I totally forgot to add that type to the listing at the end... yay for interuptions :-)

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  42. MOD PARENT UP!!1! by toriver · · Score: 1

    Funny, Overrated, I don't care, just use those mod points so that they re-renter the pool. I want some too! Damn mod point hoggers.

    There is a pool, right? I bet there is a pool. Full of moist mod points just waiting to be used by horny slashdotters. Ooh.

  43. Or... by Rix · · Score: 1

    You can forge your own headers and logs. It's just text.

    1. Re:Or... by tftp · · Score: 1
      Yes but only if you are a sysadmin with access to mail and backups (to fix them also.) But sysadmins rarely care about emails. Managers and directors might, but they don't have access to backups and wouldn't know what to do with them anyway. So a conspiracy is required between a director who is interested and a sysadmin who is not interested at all. A director may have a million at stake, but a sysadmin has nothing and he'd have to be a fool to do the forging for someone else.

      There is another issue - in large companies backups are stored offsite, frequently many states away from the company, and each and every access to old tapes is recorded by the storing company, permanently and in a very safe manner (these companies are like banks.) In such a situation - which is perfectly typical for a public company - nobody can get access to an old backup without leaving traces everywhere, and mail logs is not something that you need to have, they are purely read-only material. So if a director of a company claims receiving (or not receiving) some email and this email (or the logs) is found (or not found) on old backups that weren't touched since then it's pretty hard evidence for the opposing side to impeach.

  44. Not really by Rix · · Score: 1

    You're assuming the organization keeps it's mail logs (most don't, and of those that do, most don't keep them long, and the percentage that would store them offsite approaches 0). Even if I grant you the particularly far fetched scenario where logs are successfully and incontrovertibly presented, that does not prove the mail was delivered or read. Further, the logs don't say what the message contained. It's entirely plausible to argue that you wrote said email an hour ago with a forged timestamp, and signed it then.

    Signatures are useful for proving to the recipient that it was you who sent the message. They're quite useless for proving it to others if the recipient isn't cooperative.