Taking it to the other extreme if you stood outside the entrance to a theatre as viewers were walking in, holding a big sign with the details of the killer written on it, that would worsen the effects of the production against the will of the people about to view it.
There is a gray area (as there always is), it's not black and white. (And I'm making no comment about my views on spoilers in Wikipedia, just that to say you can't dismiss it without considering the specific case.)
There is the difficulty of keeping the spoilers out of search engines, using JavaScript to reveal the spoilers in a way that is universally compatible with all media Wikipedia is read on (including Kindles and OLPCs), and not requiring large changes to Wikipedia's caching engines (which a search-engine safe spoiler-protector may well require, without some sort of decryption etc).
I can see valid arguments both ways really; sometimes I want to find out about a work of fiction and just want to know what it was about with no intention to view it, very rarely I'll read about one and want to see it. Never have I read about one only to have it spoiled and not want to see it, or go ahead and see it and find it ruined by knowing, but I can imagine it being possible.
It is hard to find a compromise between these conflicting aims, I don't think you can blame evil Wikipedia administrators or that it's something inherently flawed with Wikipedia.. e.g. Jimbo is an asshole but that is well documented on Wikipedia itself, which I think speaks to how unbiased Wikipedia is when people give a damn (when no-one does give a damn except those writing it's another story, but then who cares?).
Next you'll be telling me my washing machine doesn't have to be capable of running Linux.. It contains a computer, when I went into the Harvey Norman and asked for a computer they directed me to the washing machines, so excuse me if I think the CEO of Electrolux deserves some prison time..
you probably haven't tried to play one of those games after they decide it's no longer cost effective to keep the host servers up. of course, you're probably the one who willingly hops from call of duty warfare of doom 8 to 9. congratulations.. you're the consumer they want.
Yup I'm one of the consumers that benefits from the immense production values, who wants to buy awesome new games every few months. Do not pity me, for I am already lost..
There was a great movie released in France by an independent movie a couple years ago about a heroin addict's fight to save his sister from cancer..
It didn't have a happy ending or great production values, but.. you haven't seen it and I have so I can act as savvy and cultured as I like and look down my nose, and isn't that what seeing movies is all about?
I love how the summary and focus here is on making the nurses and the industry happy ("nurses shouldn't have to work in an environment where this kind of mistake can be made"), yet no-one mentions the slightly disconcerting possibility for a patient of having a blood-pressure air-pump tube hooked into a blood vein..
Oh god that's horrible.. I'll have that in my mind whenever I get a drip put in now.
We have battles over huge terrain with stunning graphics and dozens of players on a single server with surround sound, integrated social systems and voice chat, and Hollywood-level production values now.. (For whichever genre you like)
I can't remember the last time I actually had to deal with DRM (I think I had to enter a CD key for Doom 3 a couple of years ago). If you're paying for DRM-stripped 90's games to avoid that I feel bad for you
As far as I can tell more people are buying more games than ever for the PC; they're easier to pirate but they're easier to buy and are generally quite a bit cheaper on PC I find. Plus we have Trusted Platform tech around the corner which could bring a lot of the typically console-only hardware-based DRM protections to the PC.
And I just can't see everyone playing FPS/RTS on controllers, or everyone stopping playing FPS/RTS, or everyone buying keyboards and mice for their consoles.. And it's hard to imagine that it could reach a point where it would actually save money for a developer to leave a market. And what about account-based games.. I could go on
The problem here is that we won't know if this is a problem until after Iran detonates one of their bombs, most likely on Tel Aviv or New York City. At that point it will be too late to do anything about it.
It'd take a short essay to briefly run through all the reasons why this is absurd, and this knee-jerk uninformed reaction hugely undermines efforts to block Iran's truly concerning moves towards nuclear weapons.
If people treat power plants like enrichment facilities or breeder reactors it makes it so much easier for the Iranian leadership to hide behind the screen of a legitimate pursuit for nuclear energy.
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Okay, but you should see some of the talks of the Dalvik engineers; it's pretty clearly a JVM for mobile apps, they talk about things like how.class files contain too many names for labels which are only internally accessed etc, it doesn't give the impression that this is a different thing but they did some magic in the compiler, rather that it's a mobile-optimized JVM specifically (and somewhat exclusively) for Android apps
Having something free usually leads to either a free-for-all where companies try and get people locked in to their own features, or a slow, uninnovative standards committee which may not function without something to play catchup to. It's a difficult balance, but I think since Google aren't extending Java and Android is a fairly unique platform this is reasonable
I do wonder why Google hasn't come out with something Java-like yet though; they've got Java->JavaScript systems for web-apps, they've done a JavaScript and Java VM, they've released their own languages based on existing languages, there is a niche Java fills but doesn't fill very well (especially for modern web stuff), and now it's owned by a very litigious company
3% enriched uranium isn't much help and it's nothing they don't already have. They need to enrich it much more anyway and they have their own uranium mines..
Keeping a close eye is fine but going over the top doesn't help anyone; it makes demands to stop the genuinely threatening behavior less credible.
The US have said they don't see this nuclear plant as a proliferation risk. We should be for this thing, because if they can get nuclear power and it doesn't help them get nuclear weapons that removes any reason for Ahmedinejad to enrich
[...] it just wasn't "better" enough over the standard ways of browsing the web.
It wasn't intended to replace web browsing, but let's not get into that..
Google Wave was a cool engineering project, but never should have been taken to market.
They didn't really lose out by giving it a shot, it was fairly well polished, and as you say it was a cool engineering project not an unspeakable disgrace.
What happened to Google Cubed or Square or whatever, the one with the table, is that still around? Why not put it out and see what happens?
The guys writing these articles are probably making a much bigger deal about a Google Labs project ending than Google are..
"If I had asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse." - Ford
Sometimes projects swing and miss, let's not forget the dozens of promises made about Longhorn before it got scrapped and downsized, WinFS and whatnot; it wasn't as public but far more resources were wasted, and I expect Google has internal projects which come to nothing constantly as well..
I don't think there are any great insights to draw from Google Wave; they worked on it, it got hyped up, it didn't catch on, bummer. Doesn't take a genius or a madman in an ivory tower for that to happen
I really don't get a sense that people here like Assange more or less than the general population. Loads of arguments were made on both sides looking at the ethics and Assange's motives (and many good points on both sides, anyone who sees only black and white in it isn't looking closely enough).
I think we can both agree that we need to wait and see, until then people really shouldn't either come up with conspiracy theories/or/ set this up as being another Reiser story about to happen.
(And let's not forget that while the Reiser trial was still going his childhood friend who had an affair with his wife was going on about how many people he killed. He turned out to be guilty but there were reasons other than him being a filesystems developer to not rule his innocence out.)
And what if the allegations are real? Does that really change the substance of what's been done or the revelations that have been made? I feel like we veer away from complexity too often - people are heroes or villians, whistleblowers or rapists, good guys or jerks. We try to spin everything into a nicely packaged little modern fairy tale where someone is 100% without question evil and their actions and motivations dismissable. Sometimes people do bad things but that doesn't change what they've done before, or what they'll do after.
So there's a chance Assage committed a horrible crime. Does that really change anything about his work with WikiLeaks, questionable though it's been at times. HIs actions may contextualize prior or future events, but they cannot solely define them.
I thought the/. debate on WikiLeaks' last drama was pretty well balanced. He certainly used to be a criminal (computer crime) and it doesn't come up, besides which he is just a mouthpiece, so I think people can distinguish WikiLeaks from Assange.
That having been said we don't know anything yet and to speculate or try and figure the odds is being very hasty (we really have nothing to go on at present).
Let's see how this plays out, if I accused you of raping someone you would want people to balance the facts before judging that there was a chance you were a rapist.
That's why all the best web-apps are written in static languages.. Like Facebook, Wikipedia and Slashdot. PHP/Perl are truly the languages of ignorant amateurs.
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Taking it to the other extreme if you stood outside the entrance to a theatre as viewers were walking in, holding a big sign with the details of the killer written on it, that would worsen the effects of the production against the will of the people about to view it.
There is a gray area (as there always is), it's not black and white. (And I'm making no comment about my views on spoilers in Wikipedia, just that to say you can't dismiss it without considering the specific case.)
There is the difficulty of keeping the spoilers out of search engines, using JavaScript to reveal the spoilers in a way that is universally compatible with all media Wikipedia is read on (including Kindles and OLPCs), and not requiring large changes to Wikipedia's caching engines (which a search-engine safe spoiler-protector may well require, without some sort of decryption etc).
I can see valid arguments both ways really; sometimes I want to find out about a work of fiction and just want to know what it was about with no intention to view it, very rarely I'll read about one and want to see it. Never have I read about one only to have it spoiled and not want to see it, or go ahead and see it and find it ruined by knowing, but I can imagine it being possible.
It is hard to find a compromise between these conflicting aims, I don't think you can blame evil Wikipedia administrators or that it's something inherently flawed with Wikipedia.. e.g. Jimbo is an asshole but that is well documented on Wikipedia itself, which I think speaks to how unbiased Wikipedia is when people give a damn (when no-one does give a damn except those writing it's another story, but then who cares?).
Next you'll be telling me my washing machine doesn't have to be capable of running Linux.. It contains a computer, when I went into the Harvey Norman and asked for a computer they directed me to the washing machines, so excuse me if I think the CEO of Electrolux deserves some prison time..
No it wasn't either of those.. (Both of those films were predictable drivel by the way, I've no idea how you got anything out of them..)
I was kidding to make a point, I made up the French movie and haven't seen Martyrs
Martyrs is mainstream trash compared to Le Voisier, quit being such a drone and take in some culture..
you probably haven't tried to play one of those games after they decide it's no longer cost effective to keep the host servers up. of course, you're probably the one who willingly hops from call of duty warfare of doom 8 to 9. congratulations.. you're the consumer they want.
Yup I'm one of the consumers that benefits from the immense production values, who wants to buy awesome new games every few months. Do not pity me, for I am already lost..
Disclaimer: I've spent the past few days struggling with a crashing, DRM-encumbered buggy game. No wonder the creators went out of business.
But why would you do that when you get so much fun out of DRM-free 90's-era games?
There was a great movie released in France by an independent movie a couple years ago about a heroin addict's fight to save his sister from cancer..
.. you haven't seen it and I have so I can act as savvy and cultured as I like and look down my nose, and isn't that what seeing movies is all about?
It didn't have a happy ending or great production values, but
I love how the summary and focus here is on making the nurses and the industry happy ("nurses shouldn't have to work in an environment where this kind of mistake can be made"), yet no-one mentions the slightly disconcerting possibility for a patient of having a blood-pressure air-pump tube hooked into a blood vein..
Oh god that's horrible.. I'll have that in my mind whenever I get a drip put in now.
We have battles over huge terrain with stunning graphics and dozens of players on a single server with surround sound, integrated social systems and voice chat, and Hollywood-level production values now.. (For whichever genre you like)
I can't remember the last time I actually had to deal with DRM (I think I had to enter a CD key for Doom 3 a couple of years ago). If you're paying for DRM-stripped 90's games to avoid that I feel bad for you
As far as I can tell more people are buying more games than ever for the PC; they're easier to pirate but they're easier to buy and are generally quite a bit cheaper on PC I find. Plus we have Trusted Platform tech around the corner which could bring a lot of the typically console-only hardware-based DRM protections to the PC.
And I just can't see everyone playing FPS/RTS on controllers, or everyone stopping playing FPS/RTS, or everyone buying keyboards and mice for their consoles.. And it's hard to imagine that it could reach a point where it would actually save money for a developer to leave a market. And what about account-based games.. I could go on
The problem here is that we won't know if this is a problem until after Iran detonates one of their bombs, most likely on Tel Aviv or New York City. At that point it will be too late to do anything about it.
It'd take a short essay to briefly run through all the reasons why this is absurd, and this knee-jerk uninformed reaction hugely undermines efforts to block Iran's truly concerning moves towards nuclear weapons.
If people treat power plants like enrichment facilities or breeder reactors it makes it so much easier for the Iranian leadership to hide behind the screen of a legitimate pursuit for nuclear energy.
Okay, but you should see some of the talks of the Dalvik engineers; it's pretty clearly a JVM for mobile apps, they talk about things like how .class files contain too many names for labels which are only internally accessed etc, it doesn't give the impression that this is a different thing but they did some magic in the compiler, rather that it's a mobile-optimized JVM specifically (and somewhat exclusively) for Android apps
Google also uses MySQL a lot.. too bad they didn't buy Sun first really.
Having something free usually leads to either a free-for-all where companies try and get people locked in to their own features, or a slow, uninnovative standards committee which may not function without something to play catchup to. It's a difficult balance, but I think since Google aren't extending Java and Android is a fairly unique platform this is reasonable
I do wonder why Google hasn't come out with something Java-like yet though; they've got Java->JavaScript systems for web-apps, they've done a JavaScript and Java VM, they've released their own languages based on existing languages, there is a niche Java fills but doesn't fill very well (especially for modern web stuff), and now it's owned by a very litigious company
3% enriched uranium isn't much help and it's nothing they don't already have. They need to enrich it much more anyway and they have their own uranium mines..
Keeping a close eye is fine but going over the top doesn't help anyone; it makes demands to stop the genuinely threatening behavior less credible.
The US have said they don't see this nuclear plant as a proliferation risk. We should be for this thing, because if they can get nuclear power and it doesn't help them get nuclear weapons that removes any reason for Ahmedinejad to enrich
[...] it just wasn't "better" enough over the standard ways of browsing the web.
It wasn't intended to replace web browsing, but let's not get into that..
Google Wave was a cool engineering project, but never should have been taken to market.
They didn't really lose out by giving it a shot, it was fairly well polished, and as you say it was a cool engineering project not an unspeakable disgrace.
What happened to Google Cubed or Square or whatever, the one with the table, is that still around? Why not put it out and see what happens?
The guys writing these articles are probably making a much bigger deal about a Google Labs project ending than Google are..
"If I had asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse." - Ford
Sometimes projects swing and miss, let's not forget the dozens of promises made about Longhorn before it got scrapped and downsized, WinFS and whatnot; it wasn't as public but far more resources were wasted, and I expect Google has internal projects which come to nothing constantly as well..
I don't think there are any great insights to draw from Google Wave; they worked on it, it got hyped up, it didn't catch on, bummer. Doesn't take a genius or a madman in an ivory tower for that to happen
I really don't get a sense that people here like Assange more or less than the general population. Loads of arguments were made on both sides looking at the ethics and Assange's motives (and many good points on both sides, anyone who sees only black and white in it isn't looking closely enough).
/or/ set this up as being another Reiser story about to happen.
I think we can both agree that we need to wait and see, until then people really shouldn't either come up with conspiracy theories
(And let's not forget that while the Reiser trial was still going his childhood friend who had an affair with his wife was going on about how many people he killed. He turned out to be guilty but there were reasons other than him being a filesystems developer to not rule his innocence out.)
And what if the allegations are real? Does that really change the substance of what's been done or the revelations that have been made? I feel like we veer away from complexity too often - people are heroes or villians, whistleblowers or rapists, good guys or jerks. We try to spin everything into a nicely packaged little modern fairy tale where someone is 100% without question evil and their actions and motivations dismissable. Sometimes people do bad things but that doesn't change what they've done before, or what they'll do after.
So there's a chance Assage committed a horrible crime. Does that really change anything about his work with WikiLeaks, questionable though it's been at times. HIs actions may contextualize prior or future events, but they cannot solely define them.
I thought the /. debate on WikiLeaks' last drama was pretty well balanced. He certainly used to be a criminal (computer crime) and it doesn't come up, besides which he is just a mouthpiece, so I think people can distinguish WikiLeaks from Assange.
That having been said we don't know anything yet and to speculate or try and figure the odds is being very hasty (we really have nothing to go on at present).
Let's see how this plays out, if I accused you of raping someone you would want people to balance the facts before judging that there was a chance you were a rapist.
Linux has a long way to go before it has something as mature as ZFS, and I wouldn't trust important data on anything less.
If you like ZFS/Solaris then okay, but you can hardly call ZFS "mature" compared to ext
That's why all the best web-apps are written in static languages.. Like Facebook, Wikipedia and Slashdot. PHP/Perl are truly the languages of ignorant amateurs.
I wonder if GNU classpath is immune to this..