They've started - and will never stop - surveillance of human activity for deviant behaviors.
Monitoring social media hardly constitutes "surveillance of human activity" because is centralized repository where fools volunteer information to corporations. Corporations are under no obligation to keep any secrets you have and if you're actively broadcasting to the world what you are doing then it's certainly not a secret.
As much as I dislike Intel for their usual business practices, it's a good thing that they are bringing more open source hardware to the market. If nothing else, this will put additional preasure on other companies *cough*nvidia*cough* to be more open about their own hardware.
I've always found it strange that some companies release hardware with almost no documentation and half-assed drivers because it's basically kneecapping your own product.
The reason they can do this is because the cost is being hidden from the consumer. Do you think someone would sign up for getting "2% cashback" if they were paying 2.1% more per transaction? Nope and yet that is what is happening. The cause of this is that stores are contractually required to eat the cost of the transaction fees and thus increase the price of goods to compensate. The result is that everyone is subsidizing the transaction fees, even if they pay cash which completely eliminates any desire to compete with lower transaction fees. Pass a law legally compelling stores to isolate the cost of the transaction from the goods themselves and the transaction fees will plummet because then credit card companies will have to compete for consumers.
If you are in favor the free market then you cannot be in favor of the actions of credit card companies.
No one here is going to buy 5G hardware with built in Chinese Government Approved and Controlled AI to restrict communication just because they make a lot of them or use them there.
Sure, no one here will but telecom companies that gets a deep discount (because it's subsidized) on the 5G hardware totally will. Do you really think businesses are above this?
And where the hell is the media in all this? Why the hell aren't they calling the current Admin out for doing nothing to stop the recession?
Funny thing there. If you tell everyone that the current administration is doing nothing to stop the impending recession, you actually cause people to be concerned which in turn can trigger the very recession you were trying to avoid.
The other thing is that people don't like bad news and studies have demonstrated that they begin to avoid news if it shows their own outlook as bleak (but they relish bad news for perceived enemies). Yeah, it's kinda like humans have their own Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.
... but not too far in the future, AI in some hospital will decide which children will live or die, and people will shrug and consider this perfectly normal.
You win the "dumbest argument of the day" award. -_-
As long as we can still convincingly argue to a robot army that they shouldn't "kill all humans" better than Hitlerbot 9500, the human race is safe. On a side note, I really wish people would stop their work on Hitlerbot 9500. Come on people, it's already over 9000!
Nope. It's possible to find hidden "features" without disassembly by bombarding a processor with data and in looking to see if you trigger unexpected behavior. I'm not saying it always works, I'm saying it works with some types of hardware backdoors.
Seriously, what are they thinking? There are so many good x86 emulator out there and they choose to make one in Javascript only to package it to run on desktops? That's a turducken of inefficiency and stupidity.
Doubtful, the UK isn't exactly known for their chip architecture expertise
Riiiight. There is a little known company called ARM in the UK. You may have heard of them.
Anyway, if they didn't find anything do you honestly think they would be satisfied? It seems far more likely they would start out with distributing sample to all the intel agencies in EU an Five Eyes for analysis because they are all facing the same threat.
As for the rest: A) You don't have to RE entire chips to find backdoors. Hell, sometimes you don't even have to take them apart. B) If they aren't using something novel then we already know what to look for.
Everyone that recognizes it would increase the power and influence of China's dictatorship. And who the fuck cares about the chinese internal affairs?
Their internal affairs are not the issue here, it's their external power and influence that is at the heart of the matter.
It does not matter if China steals my data from the NSA or gets it via a backdoor...
Would it matter if China steals all the IP from your corporations and then starts sinking your economy by churning out replicas of similar or higher quality at the same time your country does? That's the goal of the China 2025 initiative: to make everything in China by 2025 and become a major exporter or goods.
What matters would be a denial of service attack
The only people worried about a DoS attack from China are those who don't understand their goals.
Nice deflection, but the subject is not China. The subject is risk of technology being rolled out in Europe.
Actually, the subject is Huawei rolling out 5G in the EU. China is the actor in this instance and thus subject to scrutiny. This has nothing to do with the US.
You're quick to attack China under the premise that there is an alternative. So what's that alternative?
The EU can build their own network using their own equipment made by their own companies. You act as if they are a bunch of invalids that need someone else to do it for them.
Yes, there are many ways to go about it. The trick is to do it and get away with it. I have no doubt the UK's intel agency will be tearing one of these down to ensure the hardware is what they claim.
Nobody was bashing China until Trump's trade war started.
Actually, that's not quite right. We've been frienemies with China for a while and have always been wary of them and consistently critical. After the China was changed to a full on dictatorship any allusions of legitimacy were removed. China's spying and IP theft have become increasingly exposed while awareness of just how much stuff is hackable and/or does spy on you has gone through the roof. As such, we know that China's efforts to build any kind of electronic infrastructure in a foreign nation is a serious security threat.
Then there was this weird shift and now everyone has jumped on the xenophobia bandwagon.
Do you not understand the definition of xenophobia or are you a fucking moron who can't stop using it incorrectly? The problem is not that they are from outside the US because surprise, we're good friends with and trust most countries in the EU. The EU and US spy on each others' citizens and then compares notes. China, yeah, they want information to jail dissidents and aren't about to help nab a Chinese citizen.
The NSA has been caught red-handed doing the exact same thing.
I have never claimed the US is innocent. To say I'm not fond of their actions is an understatement. Frankly, I think it would be in the best interest of the EU to build their own networks.
The head of the NSA lied to Congress about it.
Yep, Clapper should have been jailed for lying.
The government had been gathering and storing data from ordinary Americans' phone records, email and Internet use.
Yeah, that bullshit needs to be stopped.
The US government spies on people and violates the law but they don't lock up dissidents, mandate censorship or confine people to "re-education" jails.
NSL argument aside, the USA is an ally to the EU and China is not. Also, it's not a binary option. The EU could produce it's own hardware. Why the focus on the US when the subject is China?
It is breathtaking to see such xenophobic racism modded up to +5 on Slashdot.
This has nothing to do with xenophobia, nor racism. I do not trust the Chinese government which has been employing statism. The Chinese people are just as much victims of their government as anyone.
What did Trump do with his trade war to people's brains?
Nothing. That guy is soon to be exposed as a criminal and will be headed to jail.
A year ago nobody would dare say something like this, it would be at -1 Troll.
Literally, no. There has been news about the wrongdoing and human rights violations by the Chinese government for much longer than a year. This isn't something new.
I know. The summary is using the English correctly. By using the non-definitive article "a" instead of the definitive article "the" the summary does not imply that OpenColorIO is the only tool used.
Oh I see what you are saying. However, one can contribute "a" tool and still have it be "the" tool that was used. "a" implies it's part of a group but does not specify the group to which it belongs.
More importantly, I was trying to point out it wasn't even the primary tool used. You will notice there are other posts that ask about 3d rendering which only adds credence to the relevance of my post.
I'm not exactly a fan of Amazon, but it's rational for them to dedicate resources to the communities where they will have a significant presence.
Isn't that why we have taxes in the first place? If you don't feel there are enough resources being used for education then it's a rational argument for increased taxation on those who are paying the lowest percentage of taxes.
Huawei should put on the Internet all the source code, microcode and whatever for each device they want to sell into the EU and to the 5-eyes, under the GPL.
Still wouldn't help if they are employing the use of hardware backdoors or simply push out a secret firmware update to the entire system. GPL also won't help because China owns a HUGE amount of 5G patents and could sue you for even using their code.
Then you haven't been keeping up with the status of things in China.
Replace Huawei with Cisco and China with the USA and your post still makes perfect sense.
Except national security laws don't put the state in control of the corporations. The closest thing they have is NSLs which can be fought in court (thus undermining their secrecy) and have clear restrictions on them. In China, you cannot refuse because government actors are on the board of directors and refusal to comply is completely unheard of because they will go after you and your family.
Unless every component (both hardware and software) is being produced with total oversight (which it is not), then this agreement is a farce. Huawei can promise anything and everything, sign legally binding agreements, etc and you still couldn't trust them because they are based out of China. This is important because Chinese national security law gives the state (China) absolute authority in all matters when it comes to tech companies.
Besides, once they are widely installed, what are you going to do when you find out they can no longer be trusted (after a system-wide software update), rip out the entire infrastructure?
I said it before and I'll say it again, dictators only pretend to play fair.
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They've started - and will never stop - surveillance of human activity for deviant behaviors.
Monitoring social media hardly constitutes "surveillance of human activity" because is centralized repository where fools volunteer information to corporations. Corporations are under no obligation to keep any secrets you have and if you're actively broadcasting to the world what you are doing then it's certainly not a secret.
As much as I dislike Intel for their usual business practices, it's a good thing that they are bringing more open source hardware to the market. If nothing else, this will put additional preasure on other companies *cough*nvidia*cough* to be more open about their own hardware.
I've always found it strange that some companies release hardware with almost no documentation and half-assed drivers because it's basically kneecapping your own product.
It's true that nobody would sign up for 2% cashback if they paid 2.1% more per transaction.
And yet, that's exactly what's happening... except it's much higher per transaction.
The reason they can do this is because the cost is being hidden from the consumer. Do you think someone would sign up for getting "2% cashback" if they were paying 2.1% more per transaction? Nope and yet that is what is happening. The cause of this is that stores are contractually required to eat the cost of the transaction fees and thus increase the price of goods to compensate. The result is that everyone is subsidizing the transaction fees, even if they pay cash which completely eliminates any desire to compete with lower transaction fees. Pass a law legally compelling stores to isolate the cost of the transaction from the goods themselves and the transaction fees will plummet because then credit card companies will have to compete for consumers.
If you are in favor the free market then you cannot be in favor of the actions of credit card companies.
If your country is part of the 5 eyes group then no, no you won't get that hardware in telecos.
I certainly hope you are right because we have fucking idiots in charge. They ZTE off the hook and tried to pay to make a FoxConn factory.
No one here is going to buy 5G hardware with built in Chinese Government Approved and Controlled AI to restrict communication just because they make a lot of them or use them there.
Sure, no one here will but telecom companies that gets a deep discount (because it's subsidized) on the 5G hardware totally will. Do you really think businesses are above this?
And where the hell is the media in all this? Why the hell aren't they calling the current Admin out for doing nothing to stop the recession?
Funny thing there. If you tell everyone that the current administration is doing nothing to stop the impending recession, you actually cause people to be concerned which in turn can trigger the very recession you were trying to avoid.
The other thing is that people don't like bad news and studies have demonstrated that they begin to avoid news if it shows their own outlook as bleak (but they relish bad news for perceived enemies). Yeah, it's kinda like humans have their own Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.
... but not too far in the future, AI in some hospital will decide which children will live or die, and people will shrug and consider this perfectly normal.
You win the "dumbest argument of the day" award. -_-
As long as we can still convincingly argue to a robot army that they shouldn't "kill all humans" better than Hitlerbot 9500, the human race is safe. On a side note, I really wish people would stop their work on Hitlerbot 9500. Come on people, it's already over 9000!
reading is fundamental! "I'm not saying it always works, I'm saying it works with some types of hardware backdoors."
You absolutely do have to take apart the chips
Nope. It's possible to find hidden "features" without disassembly by bombarding a processor with data and in looking to see if you trigger unexpected behavior. I'm not saying it always works, I'm saying it works with some types of hardware backdoors.
Seriously, what are they thinking? There are so many good x86 emulator out there and they choose to make one in Javascript only to package it to run on desktops? That's a turducken of inefficiency and stupidity.
Doubtful, the UK isn't exactly known for their chip architecture expertise
Riiiight. There is a little known company called ARM in the UK. You may have heard of them.
Anyway, if they didn't find anything do you honestly think they would be satisfied? It seems far more likely they would start out with distributing sample to all the intel agencies in EU an Five Eyes for analysis because they are all facing the same threat.
As for the rest:
A) You don't have to RE entire chips to find backdoors. Hell, sometimes you don't even have to take them apart.
B) If they aren't using something novel then we already know what to look for.
Everyone that recognizes it would increase the power and influence of China's dictatorship.
And who the fuck cares about the chinese internal affairs?
Their internal affairs are not the issue here, it's their external power and influence that is at the heart of the matter.
It does not matter if China steals my data from the NSA or gets it via a backdoor ...
Would it matter if China steals all the IP from your corporations and then starts sinking your economy by churning out replicas of similar or higher quality at the same time your country does? That's the goal of the China 2025 initiative: to make everything in China by 2025 and become a major exporter or goods.
What matters would be a denial of service attack
The only people worried about a DoS attack from China are those who don't understand their goals.
Nice deflection, but the subject is not China. The subject is risk of technology being rolled out in Europe.
Actually, the subject is Huawei rolling out 5G in the EU. China is the actor in this instance and thus subject to scrutiny. This has nothing to do with the US.
You're quick to attack China under the premise that there is an alternative. So what's that alternative?
The EU can build their own network using their own equipment made by their own companies. You act as if they are a bunch of invalids that need someone else to do it for them.
Yes, there are many ways to go about it. The trick is to do it and get away with it. I have no doubt the UK's intel agency will be tearing one of these down to ensure the hardware is what they claim.
Nobody was bashing China until Trump's trade war started.
Actually, that's not quite right. We've been frienemies with China for a while and have always been wary of them and consistently critical. After the China was changed to a full on dictatorship any allusions of legitimacy were removed. China's spying and IP theft have become increasingly exposed while awareness of just how much stuff is hackable and/or does spy on you has gone through the roof. As such, we know that China's efforts to build any kind of electronic infrastructure in a foreign nation is a serious security threat.
Then there was this weird shift and now everyone has jumped on the xenophobia bandwagon.
Do you not understand the definition of xenophobia or are you a fucking moron who can't stop using it incorrectly? The problem is not that they are from outside the US because surprise, we're good friends with and trust most countries in the EU. The EU and US spy on each others' citizens and then compares notes. China, yeah, they want information to jail dissidents and aren't about to help nab a Chinese citizen.
The NSA has been caught red-handed doing the exact same thing.
I have never claimed the US is innocent. To say I'm not fond of their actions is an understatement. Frankly, I think it would be in the best interest of the EU to build their own networks.
The head of the NSA lied to Congress about it.
Yep, Clapper should have been jailed for lying.
The government had been gathering and storing data from ordinary Americans' phone records, email and Internet use.
Yeah, that bullshit needs to be stopped.
The US government spies on people and violates the law but they don't lock up dissidents, mandate censorship or confine people to "re-education" jails.
NSL argument aside, the USA is an ally to the EU and China is not. Also, it's not a binary option. The EU could produce it's own hardware. Why the focus on the US when the subject is China?
Who the fuck cares if a chinese company inserts another back door?
Everyone that recognizes it would increase the power and influence of China's dictatorship.
It is breathtaking to see such xenophobic racism modded up to +5 on Slashdot.
This has nothing to do with xenophobia, nor racism. I do not trust the Chinese government which has been employing statism. The Chinese people are just as much victims of their government as anyone.
What did Trump do with his trade war to people's brains?
Nothing. That guy is soon to be exposed as a criminal and will be headed to jail.
A year ago nobody would dare say something like this, it would be at -1 Troll.
Literally, no. There has been news about the wrongdoing and human rights violations by the Chinese government for much longer than a year. This isn't something new.
I know. The summary is using the English correctly. By using the non-definitive article "a" instead of the definitive article "the" the summary does not imply that OpenColorIO is the only tool used.
Oh I see what you are saying. However, one can contribute "a" tool and still have it be "the" tool that was used. "a" implies it's part of a group but does not specify the group to which it belongs.
More importantly, I was trying to point out it wasn't even the primary tool used. You will notice there are other posts that ask about 3d rendering which only adds credence to the relevance of my post.
I'm not exactly a fan of Amazon, but it's rational for them to dedicate resources to the communities where they will have a significant presence.
Isn't that why we have taxes in the first place? If you don't feel there are enough resources being used for education then it's a rational argument for increased taxation on those who are paying the lowest percentage of taxes.
Just publish the source code and be done with it.
Huawei should put on the Internet all the source code, microcode and whatever for each device they want to sell into the EU and to the 5-eyes, under the GPL.
Still wouldn't help if they are employing the use of hardware backdoors or simply push out a secret firmware update to the entire system. GPL also won't help because China owns a HUGE amount of 5G patents and could sue you for even using their code.
I'm struggling with this entire post.
Then you haven't been keeping up with the status of things in China.
Replace Huawei with Cisco and China with the USA and your post still makes perfect sense.
Except national security laws don't put the state in control of the corporations. The closest thing they have is NSLs which can be fought in court (thus undermining their secrecy) and have clear restrictions on them. In China, you cannot refuse because government actors are on the board of directors and refusal to comply is completely unheard of because they will go after you and your family.
Unless every component (both hardware and software) is being produced with total oversight (which it is not), then this agreement is a farce. Huawei can promise anything and everything, sign legally binding agreements, etc and you still couldn't trust them because they are based out of China. This is important because Chinese national security law gives the state (China) absolute authority in all matters when it comes to tech companies.
Besides, once they are widely installed, what are you going to do when you find out they can no longer be trusted (after a system-wide software update), rip out the entire infrastructure?
I said it before and I'll say it again, dictators only pretend to play fair.