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The Internet, Divided Between the US and China, Has Become a Battleground (wsj.com)
The global internet is splitting in two. From a report: One side, championed in China, is a digital landscape where mobile payments have replaced cash. Smartphones are the devices that matter, and users can shop, chat, bank and surf the web with one app. The downsides: The government reigns absolute, and it is watching -- you may have to communicate with friends in code. And don't expect to access Google or Facebook.
On the other side, in much of the world, the internet is open to all. Users can say what they want, mostly, and web developers can roll out pretty much anything. People accustomed to China's version complain this other internet can seem clunky. You must toggle among apps to chat, shop, bank and surf the web. Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind. The two zones are beginning to clash with the advent of the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
China aims to be the biggest provider of gear underlying the networks, and along with that it is pushing client countries to adopt its approach to the web -- essentially urging some to use versions of the "Great Firewall" that Beijing uses to control its internet and contain the West's influence. Battles are popping up around the world as Chinese tech giants try to use their market power at home to expand abroad, something they've largely failed to do so far. Some Silicon Valley executives worry the divergence risks giving Chinese companies an advantage in new technologies such as artificial intelligence, partly because they face fewer restrictions over privacy and data protection. Further reading: Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Predicts the Internet Will Split in Two By 2028 -- and One Part Will Be Led By China.
On the other side, in much of the world, the internet is open to all. Users can say what they want, mostly, and web developers can roll out pretty much anything. People accustomed to China's version complain this other internet can seem clunky. You must toggle among apps to chat, shop, bank and surf the web. Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind. The two zones are beginning to clash with the advent of the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
China aims to be the biggest provider of gear underlying the networks, and along with that it is pushing client countries to adopt its approach to the web -- essentially urging some to use versions of the "Great Firewall" that Beijing uses to control its internet and contain the West's influence. Battles are popping up around the world as Chinese tech giants try to use their market power at home to expand abroad, something they've largely failed to do so far. Some Silicon Valley executives worry the divergence risks giving Chinese companies an advantage in new technologies such as artificial intelligence, partly because they face fewer restrictions over privacy and data protection. Further reading: Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Predicts the Internet Will Split in Two By 2028 -- and One Part Will Be Led By China.
... I expect the Internet world to segment into Internet countries. The Internet, as we know it today, will be a relic in 20 years.
Don't fool yourself for a moment. Every world government outside of China aspires to the Chinese model - that the Internet is a tool of the panopticon. Every government on this planet is self-serving, hungry for more power and control, and is literally TERRIFIED of a free People. NO EXCEPTIONS.
This is just stupid. What does the speed of wireless networks have to do with ANY of the other aspects in the story at all? At 4G I am not bandwidth bound. I can stream video at a far higher resolution than needed for a 4" screen. It has no impact on shopping, messaging, banking, etc. Further, what does the network have to do with the apps that communicate over that network? We tried AOL once. It had everything this story talked about in one unified place and interface. It sucked. It went away because that's how our markets work. People use what they want to use, which is typically based on what gives them what they want and the way they want it.
The fact that China will be producing networking 5G networking gear is... inconsequential. I'm sure there are many, many products created in China that are sold at tremendous volume that the West does not buy nor care to buy. No one here is going to buy 5G hardware with built in Chinese Government Approved and Controlled AI to restrict communication just because they make a lot of them or use them there.
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China has historically been a Technocracy, ruled by a small group of technocrats who apply logic to their decision making, while the West has risen from theocracy, where a small group of religious leaders have made decisions
This has changed slightly in the West since The Enlightenment, but the remnants of theocratic rule still taint western decision making based on fear of former power structures.
The West needs to get its game together or be beaten badly in world markets by cultures who hew to technocracy.
Some websites still don't seem to be designed with smartphones in mind.
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That is the inevitable conclusion.
Here's why: most people in the west don't have the first fucking clue what is at stake, or what they are doing when they use online services that aspire to the Chinese model of top-down central control.
The internet is less free than it was in the 1980's, and it will be less free yet in the future as governments clamp down, and people happily cooperate as long as the next meme or dancing squirrel pops up on their screen. "I have nothing to hide". "I'm happy for the government to keep the internet safe for me."
The genie is being put back in the bottle. That is something not many predicted could happen, back in the 1980's, but happening it is.
It's the death of a thousand cuts, and China understands that better than anyone. They just have to exert pressure over enough time, makes sure enough tiny little decisions all go their way to add up to the result they want.
No, we have lost the internet. The only chance is to start anew, and somehow (?) try to prevent the same fate from befalling the new thing.
Maybe much of the West is a theocracy, but the U.S. government was explicitly designed with the concept of separation of church and state - we may be unique in that regard.
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Umm, yeah, and block chain.
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The downsides (in the US): "Google and Facebook reign absolute, and they are watching -- you may have to communicate with friends in code."
And, no, you can't work around this one just by opening a private browsing window.
If there's a trick to it, that's not it.
No thanks! I don't want my banking app to do anything else!
And websites designed "with smartphones in mind" tend to stink on a desktop. I really don't want my experience to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.
In China it is just a matter of time before citizenship will be defined by having a verifiable digital signature implanted in all people. That way the government can more carefully categorized and pigeon hole people. China has always been a society based upon a bureaucratic hierarchy, hell even the core elements of Taoism preach this.
If any country mandates implanted "digital citizenship" chips it will happen in China first. I am glad that I will not live long enough to see this inevitability because the dehumanization of the human race is not something I want to witness, my parents paid the price of having to kill off millions of Nazi morons. I don't want to be around when the same thing is necessary to rid the world of zombie implanted digital humans.
Yeah, because the alternative is, y'know.
Monopoly.
There are businesses with legit licenses from the government that get to use VPNs to access Google Suite and other associated content for their employees.
So China may block Google for consumer level, but it does exist legally for businesses.
The right wing is hardly religious at all any more. If you want to look for modern day puritanism you have to look to the left, who are busy shutting down sex workers and decreeing women dress modestly, and do not allow people to voice open options on anything not approved of by the priests of the left...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
There was a brief flash of time when we hoped the Internet would allow people to freely communicate.
Then the authoritarian regimes figured out that the people that run the Internet are not bullet proof and that people can be coerced at every level from hardware manufacturers on up to network operators to do whatever the government wants.
I think I would rather stay on the Chinese side of the internet, if such a thing happens. Have your every move, opinion, and comment tracked and analyzed by a paranoid country with state-sponsored terrorist organizations such as CIA? Fuck no.
When China starts dropping bombs and murdering civilians and people around the world like America has been doing for several decades, then I might reconsider again. But so far, they are the most peaceful super power to ever have existed -- the historical record dictates this, not people's opinion.
This story look like the author's a raving lunatic high on something who rambles from one topic to the next without actually finishing a thought.
China breaking off into their own Internet solves the major problem of China having BGP routers on the Internet. Plus it'll free up a ton of IPv4 space that IANA can allocate elsewhere. They should totally do it. In about 20-ish years, their technology will hilariously look like Russia when they were deep in the middle of the Cold War. Russia's still recovering 50 years later from their poor decisions throughout that disastrous mess in humorously embarrassingly ways even stumbling over themselves in a race back into a new Cold War because idiots run that country. It'll be awesome.
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China is a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship with a thin veneer of capitalism.
Never forget that. Never be surprised at the atrocious things it does.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
On 4chan maybe... Try questioning current PC ideology in regards to gender and see how free you are to say what you want. I know... I know... I'm an evil person for thinking that most of them are just people with mental health problems that need help.... SHAME ON ME.
All bishops in all churches must be state approved. Vatican is ok with this arrangement it seems
All Buddhist monastery lamas must be state approved. It has disrupted the centuries old tradition of Panchan lama finding the reincarnation of the Dalai lama and Dalai lama finding the reincarnation of Panchan lama. The current Dalai lama is in exile. Old Panchan lama is dead, replaced by government approved lama. They did not permit current Dalai lamas emissaries into China looking for the reincarnate. So Chinese government will identify the next Dalai lama once the current one dies.
Now, internet? Why would anyone think China will accept an international control of the internet?
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Look, it was designed to be segmentable.
Just block stuff from countries that host hackers
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The internet turned whole generations into morans that know nothing unless they have their phone.
The Internet in many ways is already turning into a shithole even without it being like in China; if the Internet as a whole went the way China would have it, then I'd yank it out of the wall and forget about it, it wouldn't be worth having anymore.
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Pure nonsense, nowhere does China try to urge anyone to use its firewall.
Laughable considering how gab.com was no-platformed for allowing "pretty much anything".
We are seeing in real time the true reasons for the collapse of the Tower of Babel.
Turns out the Chinese people are exactly like you and I. They use more than just smartphones... lol
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There will always be consequences for your lies and propaganda nazi faggot Ken Doll until you die.
Couple of 'merkins.
Don't forget that it was president Obama that gave away control of the root servers to other countries. And as we said then, THIS is the very reason for it and here we are.
Under complete control of others. ANYTIME somebody tries to assert control over anything, it leads to this eventually. That's why crypto currencies are always a bad thing.
No worries, the next Dalai Lama will be identified. And most certainly not by Chinese officials.
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I love how the SV guys try to slip in a permission slip to violate privacy and be careless with our data. Perhaps THAT is why things fall behind. We don't have mobile payments because the banks are too busy fighting over whose fee will reign supreme.
It's all a totalitarian play, the only difference is who gets to be the God Emperor.
I believe you meant morons...I don't know what a moran is.
Yeah you're right China limits itself to wholesale murder of their own citizens and the citizens of the countries, like Tibet, that they have conquered. That's so much better.
A lot of people have been banned (or shadow banned) from twitter, patreon, facebook, and youtube for wrong think (e.g. freedom of speech and other right wing ideas).
And there is a massive push by the Chinese government to 're-educate' the ethnic Uyghur Muslims in western China, at an unprecedented scale.
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it's in the same dictionary as 'whoooooosh' i think
Say thank you that it's not the other way arround. If the state would diktate corporate interests you would be China. I like your kidney.... can I has it?
glacially slow is far better than black vans, son. Which is what we had in the 50s. Kiss the next dollar bill you see, it means you got freedom.
I believe you meant morons...I don't know what a moran is.
Get a Brain, AC!
Remind me again why BDS isn't targeting China
We need a secure and anonymous internet where all traffic and content are encrypted and no bulk surveillance or government manipulation are possible or allowed. If the evil dictators cannot accept this, they do not deserve to be connected to the rest of the world - disconnect them. In reality, the internet is already fragmented anyways. Disconnecting the evil dictatorships would help to reduce the hacking and massive spam currently tainting our internet.
Expect Microsoft and others to push the following to interact with any connected device:
- Fingerprint scan
- Retina scan
- Voice print scan
- Facial scan
It'll be sold a convenience and security as well as a 100% way to track everything you do and every thing you purchase since there will be no paper currency.
A dash of Big Data, a dollop of Machine Learning and you are now proud owner of a social ranking score. So free social ranking score fixers will sell you on doing government approved community service, going to the right businesses, avoiding bad areas of town, supporting big government favored causes, ...
Of course the NSA isn't watching so the Chinese Government spying on its Citizens is hugely different to what is happening elsewhere.
the superfast new generation of mobile technology called 5G.
"5G E is better. It has more E." - AT&T.
Who is to invest in and maintain such infrastructure? It's not as easy and cheap as a pirate radio. https://startyourownisp.com/
The rest of the world doesn't exist.
One side, championed in China, is a digital landscape where mobile payments have replaced cash. Smartphones are the devices that matter, and users can shop, chat, bank and surf the web with one app.
Sounds like Genisys.
The internet long united, must divide; long divided, must unite. Thus it has ever been.