Childish, but I agree with you. That said I always find it amusing when people whine or whatever over something provided to them FOR FREE. Personally I've never had a problem uploading a tar ball, nor has the only other programmer I know well enough for this (Oblig. Plug FreePDB). If you have a problem with SourceForge then try FreshMeat, or get yourself a Dreamhost account and host things there - that way your own server isn't really getting nuked and things are just SEP. Basically, quit whinging about it and fix your damned problem.
Back on topic: IMHO the best way to get more interest in the project is to find like minded people. What is your software trying to do/solve? Google something that would find it - post your URL in a few forums. Leave the link in your forum signature with a "looking for developers". Actually do something about getting your stuff out there. An online resume with a link to the software perhaps? There is a hundred ways to get information out to the world. Mostly they just require a little effort.
Assuming the reader was cheap, as DRM'd as buying a book from Amazon (i.e. one payment ever - lose the book you buy it again etc.), and whatever other issues might arise, then as far as I would be concerned I would still have five or six books on my desk - albeit with an awesome search functionality (see post below) and would then be an advocate of eBook'ing all my stuff.
Unfortunately for us this is not possible yet, but when it is I'll be right there. Definitely agree with your idea's on the topic.
I happen to agree with the moving and all the rest of it. But I personally disagree with running everything to PDF. I read PDF's on the laptop - maybe on the way to work or occasionally on my lunch break - but the majority has to be in books. There is nothing quite like having 5 or 6 books open to various pages while I code, flicking my eyes to various books or turning pages to keep track. My screens just do not have that kind of real-estate space.
For me, there is no question in this debate, PDF's might be a lot better to move and transport, but nothing is better than a i-killed-a-tree text book IMHO.
Always thought the concept of intelligent design was a bit of a joke. I'm not saying that there is or isn't some sort of greater being out there but seriously... a platypus, giant flaming balls of gas for light and heat, George W. Bush (had to get the political joke in)... we couldn't call whatever created this earth intelligent if we tried.
If I go away for a week and can't get to my email, it expires and I then never get the photos/data from an important client - sure I can ask them to re-send but it looks dumb.
It's a good idea. Perhaps a refinement on it (i.e. only storing attachments on the email server) - much like packages from the post office where all your letters and small items are sent but the big ones require you to go pick them up.
Of course then we have to worry about high volume of traffic, and resources and all the other things.
Hell the last company I was at the sysadmin for the entire company was flat out pushing 65k - and we spanned the entire country.
People out here are tight as hell for some reason. My first helldesk job was 36k/year. Every job or company I've contracted out to seems to sit around this point. It's worse if you're not qualified/fresh out of school.
Would a recording outside of the US be viable in a US court? I don't know Australian law on the matter either. Of course, using said recording to direct ones investigations ("I just had a hunch boss") is still, of course, viable.
I'm sure if Microsoft didn't have those features in their databases someone would complain about it pretty severely.
Also, why do we never see Oracle vulnerabilities making the front pages? During my pen-tests I am more likely to come across Oracle servers than SQL Sewer...
Most people who use XWindows don't use it over TCP/IP anymore. (Yes I will probable get comments from a bunch of Slashdot users say Yea I Do it is great...) But for normal use it is between the Computer and the Monitor. One of the best things I ever did was go to work in a corporation. A few years ago I was fairly typical for what I suppose could be called a nix-geek. Whilst I still use things like RTFM all the time, more and more I'm finding, childishness I suppose is the word I'm looking for, in the Linux community. Everyone wonders why the system doesn't make it to the desktop and I could think of a few reasons. Probably the best one for this discussion is what parent just said, nobody cares that XWindows runs over TCP/IP anymore, they're going to look at it and complain that it runs slow. Ok cool it's fun to program and contribute to an Open Source project, maybe donate a few bucks here and there, but there is a reason communism failed and democracy won out. A lot of us geeks could use learning that lesson, and understanding that what the consumer wants is what the consumer should get. They don't give a flying rats ass about ISO standard 31337 or RFC2193 (ok the RFC is a bad example anyway) - they only care that it runs well, is easy to use, and doesn't crash often.
Sure, bring on the Micro$oft claims about crashes, but at the end of the day everyone else uses Microsoft so for Linux-based systems to get anywhere they have to be BETTER.
Just another note before I sign off (and watch my karma burn): The whole "It's GNU/Linux not Linux" mentality that Stallman (? forget who) has is not helping the situation. A user will refer to an x,y pointing device as a mouse even if it looks like a giant chicken. They are certainly not going to call it a "Logitech Bluetooth Mouse" and we should stop expecting them to.
Right, just to sign off, my users deserve everything I do to them, I'm merely saying this as one geek to a whole bunch of geeks because I want to see Open Source make it to the desktop. Viva La FreeBSD You Linux wimps!;)
Move to Adelaide, I made that mistake mid last year. Just because the weapons have been taken away doesn't mean they're not there ("Criminalise the gun and only the criminals will have guns or whatever it is") and the amount of fire power in this city is phenomenal (albeit concealed - so entirely unlike America). Taking them away didn't really solve the problem, it just prevented every dick and his dog from getting one (ok, I will concede this is a good thing)
How would we go about fighting for our rights exactly? If someone tells me that all I can do is write a letter to my local MP then I'm mildly disturbed that this would be my only option...
Just because you don't give out your email address doesn't mean someone else can't get it. Website compromises, those idiots who let facebook/myspace/whateverCrapSite log in to their email account to get more address', worm attacks. Hell I got bored and signed my boss up for a whole bunch of porn sites with his home account (he thought he was safe mwahaha).
Also for some reason I am more likely to get spam on my hotmail/gmail accounts than I am on my work account, and I don't hand those emails out to anybody I don't trust (i.e. only my family has them and they're all secure enough for my liking). Go figure.
More to it than that. One would have to not use the roads, the public water supply, the telephone network, the cell phone network. No electricity, no gas. No sewerage.
Then there is the whole "convince the government you can get away with it" thing of course but we're ignoring that. You have to be prepared to eat nothing you can't grow yourself, drink nothing but water from your rain tanks and so on and so forth.
(or the admin who reads and prioritizes his email for him) As a fellow B.O.F.H. I have to say that is the best damned justification I've ever seen for reading my CEO's email!
It's so great that someone is willing to put in the phone miles to save my slack self doing it. I'm going to turn my spam filters off now and ask for a pay upgrade - damages for being forced to perform illegal operations;)
Well if you're ever here in Adelaide drop me a line. Reckon I owe you a beer for doing the hard yards for the prolongation of the discussion.
I'll never understand how a technical-minded group such as slashdot that prides itself on objectivity and generally mocks blind faith can, at times, get so easily carried away. Remember the child-hood comment "takes one to know one" when someone called you an idiot? Same idea, except most of us aren't willing to admit it.
Ok as an Australian SysAdmin and after discussing this with a few of my Sydney based counter-parts today we've come to the following couple of points:
1. A phone conversation may not be monitored or recorded without prior consent from both parties. This is exemplified in calling the local telco and being told that our calls may be recorded for training purposes (my ass) and if you don't like it tell them so 2. Web traffic log generation is covered by the usage policy on the network. Providing they've signed off on this there is no invasion of privacy. 3. This is the tricky one. Out here in Australia, as we understand it, Murder is a state-based crime whereas reading a mail message that is not yours counts as a federal crime (so yes you can go to gaol for longer if you read someone's mail as opposed to murdering them - WTF?!). So even if we have agreed to allow our SysAdmin permission to read our emails, should we wish to it can be taken to a federal agency and acted apon. It is thus illegal to read emails, regardless of what they have signed. If someone with more info on this than me could enlighten me further, be much appreciated.
What thought process do you go through to come to the decision of choosing left or right? Ignoring reactions (i.e. something throws a large object at you) in which you'll probably respond a hell of a lot faster, I can see how 7 seconds would work. Countdown:
7 seconds: Hmm that person is reaching out to grab the news paper. They are in my path. 6 seconds:/me glances around 5 seconds: There are $x people also on the path with me, I must go around them 4 seconds: Only two people are in my immediate way after shifting right to miss the first person. 3 seconds: his trajectory will put him there, hers will put her there 2 seconds: optimal position will be to go right again and pass between them 1 second: feet, you heard the brain, do it. 0 seconds: Action performed.
Ok that's a very basic example and I for one would suggest that my own thought process' move a lot faster than that, but having grown up with a bunch of tradesmen and truck drivers around me, I can see how seven seconds works out.
Well notice that the kitten attacked me. I got it all the way to the final altar but had to keep going down to get the Amulet (stupidly leaving the kitten behind at this point). So of course when I get back the little mongrel had gone feral on me:( And by this point I was shit out of luck, healing potions, and energy for spells so I was pretty well boned. Was fun though.
As for trying to do it part of my personal nethack challenges have always been to keep my familiar as long as possible. Come to think of it that's still part of my nethack challenges.
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Childish, but I agree with you. That said I always find it amusing when people whine or whatever over something provided to them FOR FREE. Personally I've never had a problem uploading a tar ball, nor has the only other programmer I know well enough for this (Oblig. Plug FreePDB). If you have a problem with SourceForge then try FreshMeat, or get yourself a Dreamhost account and host things there - that way your own server isn't really getting nuked and things are just SEP. Basically, quit whinging about it and fix your damned problem.
Back on topic: IMHO the best way to get more interest in the project is to find like minded people. What is your software trying to do/solve? Google something that would find it - post your URL in a few forums. Leave the link in your forum signature with a "looking for developers". Actually do something about getting your stuff out there. An online resume with a link to the software perhaps? There is a hundred ways to get information out to the world. Mostly they just require a little effort.
Assuming the reader was cheap, as DRM'd as buying a book from Amazon (i.e. one payment ever - lose the book you buy it again etc.), and whatever other issues might arise, then as far as I would be concerned I would still have five or six books on my desk - albeit with an awesome search functionality (see post below) and would then be an advocate of eBook'ing all my stuff.
Unfortunately for us this is not possible yet, but when it is I'll be right there. Definitely agree with your idea's on the topic.
I happen to agree with the moving and all the rest of it. But I personally disagree with running everything to PDF. I read PDF's on the laptop - maybe on the way to work or occasionally on my lunch break - but the majority has to be in books. There is nothing quite like having 5 or 6 books open to various pages while I code, flicking my eyes to various books or turning pages to keep track. My screens just do not have that kind of real-estate space.
For me, there is no question in this debate, PDF's might be a lot better to move and transport, but nothing is better than a i-killed-a-tree text book IMHO.
Just my $0.02 AU
The flying spaghetti monster?
Always thought the concept of intelligent design was a bit of a joke. I'm not saying that there is or isn't some sort of greater being out there but seriously... a platypus, giant flaming balls of gas for light and heat, George W. Bush (had to get the political joke in)... we couldn't call whatever created this earth intelligent if we tried.
You over estimate the mental capacity of most clients my friend. You greatly over estimate it.
If I go away for a week and can't get to my email, it expires and I then never get the photos/data from an important client - sure I can ask them to re-send but it looks dumb.
It's a good idea. Perhaps a refinement on it (i.e. only storing attachments on the email server) - much like packages from the post office where all your letters and small items are sent but the big ones require you to go pick them up.
Of course then we have to worry about high volume of traffic, and resources and all the other things.
Well if it ran anything else it would probably crash in a blue-puddle of cold unforgiving hex on the way over the desert...
Damn, imagine a Beowulf cluster of constantly crashing Hubble Telescopes. I for one welcome our new innocuous-siege-weapon-satellite-overlords.
All of the above to the beancounters for the stress relief it provides the system administrator.......
And your humour is lacking.
You must be a mathematician. Me, I'm an engineer.
Australia.
Hell the last company I was at the sysadmin for the entire company was flat out pushing 65k - and we spanned the entire country.
People out here are tight as hell for some reason. My first helldesk job was 36k/year. Every job or company I've contracted out to seems to sit around this point. It's worse if you're not qualified/fresh out of school.
The Owl Bear clan will beat them all!
Would a recording outside of the US be viable in a US court? I don't know Australian law on the matter either. Of course, using said recording to direct ones investigations ("I just had a hunch boss") is still, of course, viable.
Security, Usability, (Lack of) Cost. Pick Two.
I'm sure if Microsoft didn't have those features in their databases someone would complain about it pretty severely.
Also, why do we never see Oracle vulnerabilities making the front pages? During my pen-tests I am more likely to come across Oracle servers than SQL Sewer...
If you are a baby out here they'd do that for free...
Sure, bring on the Micro$oft claims about crashes, but at the end of the day everyone else uses Microsoft so for Linux-based systems to get anywhere they have to be BETTER.
Just another note before I sign off (and watch my karma burn): The whole "It's GNU/Linux not Linux" mentality that Stallman (? forget who) has is not helping the situation. A user will refer to an x,y pointing device as a mouse even if it looks like a giant chicken. They are certainly not going to call it a "Logitech Bluetooth Mouse" and we should stop expecting them to.
Right, just to sign off, my users deserve everything I do to them, I'm merely saying this as one geek to a whole bunch of geeks because I want to see Open Source make it to the desktop. Viva La FreeBSD You Linux wimps!
Move to Adelaide, I made that mistake mid last year. Just because the weapons have been taken away doesn't mean they're not there ("Criminalise the gun and only the criminals will have guns or whatever it is") and the amount of fire power in this city is phenomenal (albeit concealed - so entirely unlike America). Taking them away didn't really solve the problem, it just prevented every dick and his dog from getting one (ok, I will concede this is a good thing)
How would we go about fighting for our rights exactly? If someone tells me that all I can do is write a letter to my local MP then I'm mildly disturbed that this would be my only option...
Just because you don't give out your email address doesn't mean someone else can't get it. Website compromises, those idiots who let facebook/myspace/whateverCrapSite log in to their email account to get more address', worm attacks. Hell I got bored and signed my boss up for a whole bunch of porn sites with his home account (he thought he was safe mwahaha).
Also for some reason I am more likely to get spam on my hotmail/gmail accounts than I am on my work account, and I don't hand those emails out to anybody I don't trust (i.e. only my family has them and they're all secure enough for my liking). Go figure.
More to it than that. One would have to not use the roads, the public water supply, the telephone network, the cell phone network. No electricity, no gas. No sewerage.
Then there is the whole "convince the government you can get away with it" thing of course but we're ignoring that. You have to be prepared to eat nothing you can't grow yourself, drink nothing but water from your rain tanks and so on and so forth.
I think it'll just be easier to cheat death.
How does that quote go? "My goal is to become immortal, I plan to do this by not dying. So far I'm doing really well".
It's so great that someone is willing to put in the phone miles to save my slack self doing it. I'm going to turn my spam filters off now and ask for a pay upgrade - damages for being forced to perform illegal operations ;)
Well if you're ever here in Adelaide drop me a line. Reckon I owe you a beer for doing the hard yards for the prolongation of the discussion.
Cheers
Ok as an Australian SysAdmin and after discussing this with a few of my Sydney based counter-parts today we've come to the following couple of points:
1. A phone conversation may not be monitored or recorded without prior consent from both parties. This is exemplified in calling the local telco and being told that our calls may be recorded for training purposes (my ass) and if you don't like it tell them so
2. Web traffic log generation is covered by the usage policy on the network. Providing they've signed off on this there is no invasion of privacy.
3. This is the tricky one. Out here in Australia, as we understand it, Murder is a state-based crime whereas reading a mail message that is not yours counts as a federal crime (so yes you can go to gaol for longer if you read someone's mail as opposed to murdering them - WTF?!). So even if we have agreed to allow our SysAdmin permission to read our emails, should we wish to it can be taken to a federal agency and acted apon. It is thus illegal to read emails, regardless of what they have signed. If someone with more info on this than me could enlighten me further, be much appreciated.
What thought process do you go through to come to the decision of choosing left or right? Ignoring reactions (i.e. something throws a large object at you) in which you'll probably respond a hell of a lot faster, I can see how 7 seconds would work. Countdown:
/me glances around
7 seconds: Hmm that person is reaching out to grab the news paper. They are in my path.
6 seconds:
5 seconds: There are $x people also on the path with me, I must go around them
4 seconds: Only two people are in my immediate way after shifting right to miss the first person.
3 seconds: his trajectory will put him there, hers will put her there
2 seconds: optimal position will be to go right again and pass between them
1 second: feet, you heard the brain, do it.
0 seconds: Action performed.
Ok that's a very basic example and I for one would suggest that my own thought process' move a lot faster than that, but having grown up with a bunch of tradesmen and truck drivers around me, I can see how seven seconds works out.
Well notice that the kitten attacked me. I got it all the way to the final altar but had to keep going down to get the Amulet (stupidly leaving the kitten behind at this point). So of course when I get back the little mongrel had gone feral on me :( And by this point I was shit out of luck, healing potions, and energy for spells so I was pretty well boned. Was fun though.
As for trying to do it part of my personal nethack challenges have always been to keep my familiar as long as possible. Come to think of it that's still part of my nethack challenges.