You've never bought an American car made in the 60s or 70s. I'll leave the 80s models for futher review...
Back then you were surprised to find one running well after 100,000 miles. Not just the sheet metal, which, if you went out to the garage around 2am, laid down on the floor, and put your ear up next to the quarter panel, you could hear it rust. But those high-compression engines, lacking a little in advanced metallurgy and manufacturing, suffered from intake manifold gasket failures, carburetor problems, and of course biennial exhaust system replacements before that magical extra digit changed on the odometer. I drove two for a while, a 72 Riviera (damn, that was sweet) and a 78 Mustang II (damn, what a terrible car), and both had great issues. When the Japanese Invasion took hold, most of Detroit improved their offerings, but it took a while. Oh, and I drove a 80-something (maybe 79) Datsun 310, and it rusted too. The Nissan 310 that followed it (cheap company cars) less so, but let me tell you about the crankshaft thrust washer...
Anyways, No one cared that American cars from those decades didn't last. It was the standard. Somehow, though imports did better, with the notable exception of BMW, which seemed to deliver great cars that didn't last in America, mostly I suspect because we did not take the care of them that German owners did, for a variety of reasons. Planned obsolescence? Probably. It changed. Now with relatively rapid changes in tech, we see engines getting turbos (which can last very well if done right, ask Saab and Subaru) and of course the cockpit getting so much tech. I wonder how many 20 year old cars with LCD screens will still have a working display. Hard to drive without that sweet virtual dashboard. If you think these EU manufacturers plan for their vehicles to suffer predictable, designed-in failure to drive repair revenue or replacement, do not be surprised. Ask GM why they really killed the EV-1.
"Before I became mayor 14,000 cars passed along this street every day. More cars passed through the city in a day than there are people living here."
So this is a city of less than 14,000 people. That's a good size for this experiment.
Now would this work for some of Manhattan? Hell yeah. Brooklyn? Maybe. LA, Phoenix? Nope. For the right size and density yes.
My only question is how those adorable coffee shops get their supplies daily. Hand trucks? Burros? So a mostly-ban would be probably just as useful as a total ban, and restricting deliveries to very early morning or late night only disturbs the sleep of residents. Small price to pay. \s.
A caching (content provider) on the akamai model would use better links from servers to edge 'caches' that would be delivering that content as a stream. Having game providers drive those high speed links out to ISP gateways might work, but piggybacking on the Akamai system.
It would look virtually identical, except the content would be changing... Just using the Akamai network model.
But game systems could make their own of course. Me, I want better than 30ms latency end to end, and that's gonna be hard to deliver, so all I really want is fair. If most of us are getting 30ms but some are getting 12ms, I'm being pimped by somebody. Probably my ISP, since I'm not getting anything much better than 45ms now.
If your criteria for determining the interest in 'car maintenance' includes any variables or factors that include sex (or gender), you've done it wrong.
I'm pretty sure that, if you actually did mean to state that interest in car maintenance could reasonably be assumed to be more prevalent among men than women, while interest in investment banking would not be reasonably assumed to be different between men and women, your primary and legal error is that first, these interests are not exclusively of interest to either sex based on any of several factors, including real-world experience. Women do indeed perform their own car maintenance, and there is nothing about being a woman that would exclude them from either having an interest nor actually doing so. Investment banking perhaps even more so, though my own implicit criteria for making that assumption are also invalid.
Now advertising for, say, nursing bras, might reasonably be considered of very little interest to men, and so excluding them from advertising, though this is just a product, could be more easily justified. But to advertise for a pregnancy surrogate, someone to carry a child of your conception to birth, could easily be thought to be an example of permissible discrimination. Except that you're perhaps discriminating against men who might know of a good candidate, and would share the information. And that specific example may actually not be protected. But there is a case where men might have a legitimate interest in the advertisement, and so being excluded could be harmed in the legal sense.
And gender discrimination in banking, especially at the specialist, management, and executive level, is legendary. There is NOTHING about investment banking that disqualifies women on the basis of their sex. That makes any such employment discrimination, if proven, illegal.
Usually it's gaming or pr0n that drives innovation. But in this case, where latency is the problem for streaming, it's Wall Street that is driving the tech and the improvements.
HFT. Latency = $. It gets addressed. of course, for HFT, it's all distance, but all the other clever tricks will be deployed to stream games. And the end ISPs will be in the hot seat if they monetize specialized performance. Maybe.
Surprisingly, advertising and selling some consumer goods are in fact subject to nondiscrimination laws. That's not including financial products, for instance, which are clearly subject.
"The entire point of advertising is to reach those groups most likely to respond to your product."
Employment ads often are intended to reach those candidates most qualified, primarily, and secondarily most likely to respond.
Qualification cannot be, legally, determined by race, color, creed, national origin, sex, age, and a few other categories I've forgotten.
So you cannot legally restrict advertising based on these and other criteria. In fact, even location is a challenging criteria, as zip code or specific region might be discriminatory. So if you're hiring in Redmond, for instance, advertising in just a few zip codes in SF might be a violation, while just spewing it to all of SF Bay Area would probably not be.
It's been a long time, maybe forever, since Craigslist accepted^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H permitted ads for firearms and most any accessory.
Craigslist has ended personals in the US, all done. Globally not so much yet, but it's inevitable.
A variety of Craigslist categories have been limited or removed. Their current US list of prohibitions:
weapons; firearms/guns and components; BB/pellet, stun, and spear guns; etc ammunition, clips, cartridges, reloading materials, gunpowder, fireworks, explosives offers, solicitation, or facilitation of illegal prostitution and/or sex trafficking exploitation or endangerment of minors; child pornography recalled items; hazardous materials; body parts/fluids; unsanitized bedding/clothing prescription drugs, medical devices; controlled substances and related items alcohol or tobacco; unpackaged or adulterated food or cosmetics pet sales (re-homing with small adoption fee ok), animal parts, stud service endangered, imperiled and/or protected species and any parts thereof, e.g. ivory false, misleading, deceptive, or fraudulent content; bait and switch; keyword spam offensive, obscene, defamatory, threatening, or malicious postings or email anyone’s personal, identifying, confidential or proprietary information food stamps, WIC vouchers, SNAP or WIC goods, governmental assistance stolen property, property with serial number removed/altered, burglary tools, etc ID cards, licenses, police insignia, government documents, birth certificates, etc US military items not demilitarized in accord with Defense Department policy counterfeit, replica, or pirated items; tickets or gift cards that restrict transfer lottery or raffle tickets, sweepstakes entries, slot machines, gambling items spam; miscategorized, overposted, cross-posted, or nonlocal content postings or email the primary purpose of which is to drive traffic to a website postings or email offering, promoting, or linking to unsolicited products or services affiliate marketing; network, or multi-level marketing; pyramid schemes any good, service, or content that violates the law or legal rights of others
Note that last one.
While Craigslist doesn't explicitly forbid housing discrimination, it does forbid illegality, and the flaggers usually kill those off. Employment ads have similar restrictions, but flaggers seems a little less vigorous there.
Still, FB should consider giving up on what they cannot actually do *legally*.
My namesake (work address, he used to work there) has left behind mail correspondents such as his alma mater (I've never been there, and telling them I am not him isn't working - I think it's time for another call, this time to the Dean of Alumni Relations), his former employer (what? He's gone, gone, gone, do you you know this?), many many professional contacts (most give up when I gently tell them I'm not him), and a myriad of outfits offering those sweet high-end services , products, and, yes, advice. And I am not him, don't work in the same field, or at the same level, and they are frikin annoying. Some have kept it up for 8 years, hundfrreds of messages, not the spammers, but his alma mater especially should stop.
That's just one. Another 6 from previous engagements also are the target of a steady drip of crap plainly intended to person, personally. One I had to redact to send from work, it was too personal to send, and I got back a fairly vicious threat, which when I referred to my mail team resulted in a legal response, and a warning to me to forward any further communications to legal - they apparently found the secret phrase that elicited a response. It's been a while.
Otherwise, someone used my email to avoid debt collectors, and that's a different problem. My phone number is out too, and the outfits that call it are highly annoyed that I'm highly annoyed that they keep calling me despite my evidence that I am not who they want, do not know who they want, and cannot help, but dammit I'm tired of them calling over and over, and they get angry when I point out I've told them many times, like I'm at fault. They change numbers, area codes, and it's pointless.
But welcome to technology. In the 70s I got calls from a university in a state I had never actually been in. After a few years I finally agreed to pay the library bill if they would be so kind as to send me my diploma. Never heard from them again.
It's the government that assumes the role of both judge and enforcer, it seems to me. They merely (merely) compel media to censor according to their intentions...
Actually this is more like fascism, you're maybe correct, it's not simple socialism...
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline. Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Just wow.
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." "
Oh yeah, because we are humans, and we tend to form opinions, and well, this is human nature.
"The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline."
Oh dear, there goes the PLO site. And a host of others. Oh, wait, they are Islamic, and therefore cannot actually be accused of dispersing propaganda. Sure.
"Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Not in the US, of course, since we value (or should value) free speech, even that which we disagree with or find somehow reprehensible. But the EU has a different view. I'll be encouraging my representatives and even the possibly evil Internet companies to reject this crap. Fact-checking often isn't. Fake news often is. Propaganda is universal. Deal with it differently. Because you know what the EU will define as "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism", and it won't be Leftist or Islamic, it will be everything else. And they know better then we do.
" Even an unlocked phone, you can't take out an AT&T card and swap in a Sprint card and just turn it back on and have it work"
Wrong. I'll assume you're not deliberately lying.
When my M8 finally started failing I got an Amazon BLU R1HD, and it was adequate. It was unlocked.
I dropped my T-Mobile SIM in it, no problems. Later, I got a FreedomPOP SIM for my daughter, and worked with it for a week to understand what it would do. I dropped it into the BLU, it worked, NO PROBLEM.
How do you suppose people, as they discuss earlier in this thread, swap out their US SIM for a 'foreign SIM' when travelling, if their unlocked phone was still locked to the carrier?
You, my friend, have conflated locked/unlocked with carrier compatibility. Unless it's LTE, or includes an essentially universal radio, a Sprint phone is physically incompatible with AT&T and AT&T phones similarly. Until LTE permitted a more or less universally compatible voice/data networking scheme, AT&T, using GSM, was incompatible with Sprint, using any of the various flavors of CDMA. Verizon v. AT&T also, and T-Mobile using GSM similarly compatible with AT&T but not Verizon/Sprint, though AT&T and TMO both played games with software to annoy customers back when carriers thought phone lock-in was a thing, though back then 'unlocked' was a fever dream travelling subscribers suffered from in their first-class seats. This all goes back to the old wireline v. non-wireline, or Cell A v. Cell B of NAMPS and then TDMA/CDMA. For a little while I had a Siemens S46 demon phone from hell, that tried to straddle TDMA and GSM, with marginal success. LTE today can permit phones to work on any network, but only in LTE modes, if it's all correct.
It wasn't the lock/unlock status that prevented you from using an AT&T phone on Sprint's network, it was the actual network. And ti need nto happend with a recently manufactured phone.
We'll leave the whole Sprint/Motorola/Nextel/iDEN fiasco on the floor where it belongs.
I do. not. care. how much money Google makes from Android, so long as it powers useful phones that I want and can benefit from. Of all the straw man arguments, profit from the sale of stuff you want is both classic and exceptionally dumb.
And then it started this whole freedom thing. When the Crown was denied the privilege/right to do whatever they wanted, then even the landed elites found their subjects/tenants demanding some rights also, and well it all went from there.
It started somewhere. Mind you, several proletariat revolutions since then were not nearly so civilized...
So I like the Inbox filtering and folders for prioritizing, and don't much care for the idea of a third party client since those can only have other security issues.
The Android Gmail app does this? Or am I using web Gmail to do the filtering?
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You've never bought an American car made in the 60s or 70s. I'll leave the 80s models for futher review...
Back then you were surprised to find one running well after 100,000 miles. Not just the sheet metal, which, if you went out to the garage around 2am, laid down on the floor, and put your ear up next to the quarter panel, you could hear it rust. But those high-compression engines, lacking a little in advanced metallurgy and manufacturing, suffered from intake manifold gasket failures, carburetor problems, and of course biennial exhaust system replacements before that magical extra digit changed on the odometer. I drove two for a while, a 72 Riviera (damn, that was sweet) and a 78 Mustang II (damn, what a terrible car), and both had great issues. When the Japanese Invasion took hold, most of Detroit improved their offerings, but it took a while. Oh, and I drove a 80-something (maybe 79) Datsun 310, and it rusted too. The Nissan 310 that followed it (cheap company cars) less so, but let me tell you about the crankshaft thrust washer...
Anyways, No one cared that American cars from those decades didn't last. It was the standard. Somehow, though imports did better, with the notable exception of BMW, which seemed to deliver great cars that didn't last in America, mostly I suspect because we did not take the care of them that German owners did, for a variety of reasons. Planned obsolescence? Probably. It changed. Now with relatively rapid changes in tech, we see engines getting turbos (which can last very well if done right, ask Saab and Subaru) and of course the cockpit getting so much tech. I wonder how many 20 year old cars with LCD screens will still have a working display. Hard to drive without that sweet virtual dashboard. If you think these EU manufacturers plan for their vehicles to suffer predictable, designed-in failure to drive repair revenue or replacement, do not be surprised. Ask GM why they really killed the EV-1.
"Before I became mayor 14,000 cars passed along this street every day. More cars passed through the city in a day than there are people living here."
So this is a city of less than 14,000 people. That's a good size for this experiment.
Now would this work for some of Manhattan? Hell yeah. Brooklyn? Maybe. LA, Phoenix? Nope. For the right size and density yes.
My only question is how those adorable coffee shops get their supplies daily. Hand trucks? Burros? So a mostly-ban would be probably just as useful as a total ban, and restricting deliveries to very early morning or late night only disturbs the sleep of residents. Small price to pay. \s.
A caching (content provider) on the akamai model would use better links from servers to edge 'caches' that would be delivering that content as a stream. Having game providers drive those high speed links out to ISP gateways might work, but piggybacking on the Akamai system.
It would look virtually identical, except the content would be changing... Just using the Akamai network model.
But game systems could make their own of course. Me, I want better than 30ms latency end to end, and that's gonna be hard to deliver, so all I really want is fair. If most of us are getting 30ms but some are getting 12ms, I'm being pimped by somebody. Probably my ISP, since I'm not getting anything much better than 45ms now.
BTW, the Tropic Thunder reference is to clever for me to catch on to. Sorry, not in my frame of reference.
Since you either have no technical background or imagination...
First, edge servers. Akamai does this for static content (caching) and that would work for streaming. Game servers could work with this.
And improved peer connections of course. Bypass the intermediate NAPs.
Certainly more direct physical paths.
I doubt better hardware would be a primary solution, but part of the mix.
If your criteria for determining the interest in 'car maintenance' includes any variables or factors that include sex (or gender), you've done it wrong.
I'm pretty sure that, if you actually did mean to state that interest in car maintenance could reasonably be assumed to be more prevalent among men than women, while interest in investment banking would not be reasonably assumed to be different between men and women, your primary and legal error is that first, these interests are not exclusively of interest to either sex based on any of several factors, including real-world experience. Women do indeed perform their own car maintenance, and there is nothing about being a woman that would exclude them from either having an interest nor actually doing so. Investment banking perhaps even more so, though my own implicit criteria for making that assumption are also invalid.
Now advertising for, say, nursing bras, might reasonably be considered of very little interest to men, and so excluding them from advertising, though this is just a product, could be more easily justified. But to advertise for a pregnancy surrogate, someone to carry a child of your conception to birth, could easily be thought to be an example of permissible discrimination. Except that you're perhaps discriminating against men who might know of a good candidate, and would share the information. And that specific example may actually not be protected. But there is a case where men might have a legitimate interest in the advertisement, and so being excluded could be harmed in the legal sense.
And gender discrimination in banking, especially at the specialist, management, and executive level, is legendary. There is NOTHING about investment banking that disqualifies women on the basis of their sex. That makes any such employment discrimination, if proven, illegal.
Usually it's gaming or pr0n that drives innovation. But in this case, where latency is the problem for streaming, it's Wall Street that is driving the tech and the improvements.
HFT. Latency = $. It gets addressed. of course, for HFT, it's all distance, but all the other clever tricks will be deployed to stream games. And the end ISPs will be in the hot seat if they monetize specialized performance. Maybe.
And yet, you dare assume your guns' gender identity, even so far as to assume it is fixed. How DARE you, sir/madam/etc. How DARE you...
The initial comment "ACLU discriminates a-plenty," highlighted the reality, that not all 'discrimination' is illegal or even improper.
"How is it right for an unelected minority.....?"
And thereby defining landlords.
Disclaimer - I AM a landlord.
0. They can indeed choose what issues or even individual cases they want to intervene in.
1. The ACLU has no Constitutional duty.
Has no one on /. heard of VPNs? Open proxies?
Surprisingly, advertising and selling some consumer goods are in fact subject to nondiscrimination laws. That's not including financial products, for instance, which are clearly subject.
"The entire point of advertising is to reach those groups most likely to respond to your product."
Employment ads often are intended to reach those candidates most qualified, primarily, and secondarily most likely to respond.
Qualification cannot be, legally, determined by race, color, creed, national origin, sex, age, and a few other categories I've forgotten.
So you cannot legally restrict advertising based on these and other criteria. In fact, even location is a challenging criteria, as zip code or specific region might be discriminatory. So if you're hiring in Redmond, for instance, advertising in just a few zip codes in SF might be a violation, while just spewing it to all of SF Bay Area would probably not be.
It's been a long time, maybe forever, since Craigslist accepted^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H permitted ads for firearms and most any accessory.
Craigslist has ended personals in the US, all done. Globally not so much yet, but it's inevitable.
A variety of Craigslist categories have been limited or removed. Their current US list of prohibitions:
weapons; firearms/guns and components; BB/pellet, stun, and spear guns; etc
ammunition, clips, cartridges, reloading materials, gunpowder, fireworks, explosives
offers, solicitation, or facilitation of illegal prostitution and/or sex trafficking
exploitation or endangerment of minors; child pornography
recalled items; hazardous materials; body parts/fluids; unsanitized bedding/clothing
prescription drugs, medical devices; controlled substances and related items
alcohol or tobacco; unpackaged or adulterated food or cosmetics
pet sales (re-homing with small adoption fee ok), animal parts, stud service
endangered, imperiled and/or protected species and any parts thereof, e.g. ivory
false, misleading, deceptive, or fraudulent content; bait and switch; keyword spam
offensive, obscene, defamatory, threatening, or malicious postings or email
anyone’s personal, identifying, confidential or proprietary information
food stamps, WIC vouchers, SNAP or WIC goods, governmental assistance
stolen property, property with serial number removed/altered, burglary tools, etc
ID cards, licenses, police insignia, government documents, birth certificates, etc
US military items not demilitarized in accord with Defense Department policy
counterfeit, replica, or pirated items; tickets or gift cards that restrict transfer
lottery or raffle tickets, sweepstakes entries, slot machines, gambling items
spam; miscategorized, overposted, cross-posted, or nonlocal content
postings or email the primary purpose of which is to drive traffic to a website
postings or email offering, promoting, or linking to unsolicited products or services
affiliate marketing; network, or multi-level marketing; pyramid schemes
any good, service, or content that violates the law or legal rights of others
Note that last one.
While Craigslist doesn't explicitly forbid housing discrimination, it does forbid illegality, and the flaggers usually kill those off. Employment ads have similar restrictions, but flaggers seems a little less vigorous there.
Still, FB should consider giving up on what they cannot actually do *legally*.
My namesake (work address, he used to work there) has left behind mail correspondents such as his alma mater (I've never been there, and telling them I am not him isn't working - I think it's time for another call, this time to the Dean of Alumni Relations), his former employer (what? He's gone, gone, gone, do you you know this?), many many professional contacts (most give up when I gently tell them I'm not him), and a myriad of outfits offering those sweet high-end services , products, and, yes, advice. And I am not him, don't work in the same field, or at the same level, and they are frikin annoying. Some have kept it up for 8 years, hundfrreds of messages, not the spammers, but his alma mater especially should stop.
That's just one. Another 6 from previous engagements also are the target of a steady drip of crap plainly intended to person, personally. One I had to redact to send from work, it was too personal to send, and I got back a fairly vicious threat, which when I referred to my mail team resulted in a legal response, and a warning to me to forward any further communications to legal - they apparently found the secret phrase that elicited a response. It's been a while.
Otherwise, someone used my email to avoid debt collectors, and that's a different problem. My phone number is out too, and the outfits that call it are highly annoyed that I'm highly annoyed that they keep calling me despite my evidence that I am not who they want, do not know who they want, and cannot help, but dammit I'm tired of them calling over and over, and they get angry when I point out I've told them many times, like I'm at fault. They change numbers, area codes, and it's pointless.
But welcome to technology. In the 70s I got calls from a university in a state I had never actually been in. After a few years I finally agreed to pay the library bill if they would be so kind as to send me my diploma. Never heard from them again.
It's the government that assumes the role of both judge and enforcer, it seems to me. They merely (merely) compel media to censor according to their intentions...
Actually this is more like fascism, you're maybe correct, it's not simple socialism...
Used prices will jump too until Apple stops replacing batteries...
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline. Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Just wow.
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." "
Oh yeah, because we are humans, and we tend to form opinions, and well, this is human nature.
"The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline."
Oh dear, there goes the PLO site. And a host of others. Oh, wait, they are Islamic, and therefore cannot actually be accused of dispersing propaganda. Sure.
"Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Not in the US, of course, since we value (or should value) free speech, even that which we disagree with or find somehow reprehensible. But the EU has a different view. I'll be encouraging my representatives and even the possibly evil Internet companies to reject this crap. Fact-checking often isn't. Fake news often is. Propaganda is universal. Deal with it differently. Because you know what the EU will define as "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism", and it won't be Leftist or Islamic, it will be everything else. And they know better then we do.
Just like all good socialists.
I was going to replace my daughter's 6S with either another 6S or an SE, but this will jump the price. Crap.
" Even an unlocked phone, you can't take out an AT&T card and swap in a Sprint card and just turn it back on and have it work"
Wrong. I'll assume you're not deliberately lying.
When my M8 finally started failing I got an Amazon BLU R1HD, and it was adequate. It was unlocked.
I dropped my T-Mobile SIM in it, no problems. Later, I got a FreedomPOP SIM for my daughter, and worked with it for a week to understand what it would do. I dropped it into the BLU, it worked, NO PROBLEM.
How do you suppose people, as they discuss earlier in this thread, swap out their US SIM for a 'foreign SIM' when travelling, if their unlocked phone was still locked to the carrier?
You, my friend, have conflated locked/unlocked with carrier compatibility. Unless it's LTE, or includes an essentially universal radio, a Sprint phone is physically incompatible with AT&T and AT&T phones similarly. Until LTE permitted a more or less universally compatible voice/data networking scheme, AT&T, using GSM, was incompatible with Sprint, using any of the various flavors of CDMA. Verizon v. AT&T also, and T-Mobile using GSM similarly compatible with AT&T but not Verizon/Sprint, though AT&T and TMO both played games with software to annoy customers back when carriers thought phone lock-in was a thing, though back then 'unlocked' was a fever dream travelling subscribers suffered from in their first-class seats. This all goes back to the old wireline v. non-wireline, or Cell A v. Cell B of NAMPS and then TDMA/CDMA. For a little while I had a Siemens S46 demon phone from hell, that tried to straddle TDMA and GSM, with marginal success. LTE today can permit phones to work on any network, but only in LTE modes, if it's all correct.
It wasn't the lock/unlock status that prevented you from using an AT&T phone on Sprint's network, it was the actual network. And ti need nto happend with a recently manufactured phone.
We'll leave the whole Sprint/Motorola/Nextel/iDEN fiasco on the floor where it belongs.
I do. not. care. how much money Google makes from Android, so long as it powers useful phones that I want and can benefit from. Of all the straw man arguments, profit from the sale of stuff you want is both classic and exceptionally dumb.
It's alright to be part of someone else's dream.
And then it started this whole freedom thing. When the Crown was denied the privilege/right to do whatever they wanted, then even the landed elites found their subjects/tenants demanding some rights also, and well it all went from there.
It started somewhere. Mind you, several proletariat revolutions since then were not nearly so civilized...
So I like the Inbox filtering and folders for prioritizing, and don't much care for the idea of a third party client since those can only have other security issues.
The Android Gmail app does this? Or am I using web Gmail to do the filtering?
Am I too lazy to figure this out directly?