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EU To Give Internet Firms 1 Hour To Remove Extremist Content (go.com)
European authorities are planning to slap internet companies like Google, Twitter and Facebook with big fines if they don't take down extremist content within one hour. From a report: European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said in a speech Wednesday that the Commission is proposing the new rules as part of efforts to step up the bloc's security. He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline. Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it. Those companies would be given one hour to delete it. The proposal, which still needs approval from EU lawmakers and member states, would be a departure for the EU, which until now has allowed online companies to a take a voluntary approach to battling extremist content. The one-hour rule was among a series of recommendations the Commission made in March to fight the spread of extremist content online.
Yeah, good luck with that!
Why not just require companies to allow EU officials to log in and delete content they don't approve of themselves?
Go one better. Allow citizens to flag content as offensive and if the annointed EU officials don't log in and delete it within an hour, sentence them to shubbery hunts.
Of Europe.
"propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" I guess most of the news will have to be taken down. This seems really easy to abuse. But Europe has a narrower version of free speech, so it's really no surprise.
I suppose if the companies decide it's easier to block the EU that'd have an interesting impact on them.
And the same people that are weeping over the first being put to the flame in Sagan's fictitious narrative are literally lighting it on fire at the same time.
Anything they don't like will be considered propaganda. Fantastic... People are morons for the most part.
Well this is the true test of whether or not censoring calls for violence turns Europe into a dystopian hellscape. I have a felling that it won't.
Internet firms disconnect entire EU from the internet -- extremist content gone.
(and strangely enough -- my CAPTCHA was "liberty" -- lol)
Yeah, that is what I thought.
Personally I think it is insane that a search engine or indexing company should be in any way responsible for pointing to content that is publicly available on the Internet. I can see take down orders to ISPs hosting content (assuming the content is illegal in the jurisdiction where the servers are), but going after people telling you where the content exists is scary.
It's a slippery slope and not that far from making the statement "If you go to the library, you can learn out to build a bomb" illegal.
They can't define "extremist content", but it's banned.
2 much better laws, with the same lack of logic:
1) Everything bad is banned.
2) Everything good is required.
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done...Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it. Those companies would be given one hour to delete it."
So the hour after national authorities find it is this critical window? Everything before that is fine? The greatest damage is only done after the national authorities have flagged it?
How long until the Commission defines extremism as views that do not support the EU
Those that rely on censorship have low belief in their standings
...the Germans (via the EU) are now taking by the 'superstate.'
Delete every films from Osama Bin Laden that did shock Sept. 9th 2001 now!!!
Delete every propaganda's films from Al-Qaeda now!!!
vegans, muslims and other wackos inciting violence against those that do not follow their cult would be totally a-ok.
If they keep going like this with those completely unreasonable demands and articles, basically all websites will block the EU countries completely.
Cut 'em off until their voters cry.
NeoMarxism is big pile of sh!t. Ask Juncker ...
It sounds good, but who defines "extremist content" or worse "incites acts of terrorism". It might be clear to you and me what this would be, but how about if you don't agree with what people say who are in control of this definition? You don't think a huge government entity will use it's power to remove content against it's view or agenda? Especially since in their point of view it could "incite acts of terrorism". How about the term "hate speach"? Say something someone doesn't like and it's "hate".
I hope people wake up soon. Rarely do rights get given back by a government body. They usually have to be ripped from their cold dead hands.
So, no more news from the middle east, ever again ?
Internet should ban the use of Euros as payment.
EU To Give Internet Firms 1 Hour To Remove Extremist Content
Well, time to fire up the military and give then 2 years to remove extremist censors in government.
You weren't freed from Nazis so 60 years later neo-dictators could censor free people.
The problem never has been the content of speech, but rather the existence of powers a wannabe dictator uses to harm political enemies.
These include various forms of censorship both direct and indirect, investigating political enemies or threatening to, or their supporters, or outright arresting them, amd so on.
This is not something that can be safely wielded by democracy, much less a bare simple majority, a low bar for a charismatic leader to hop.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
I see: 32-hour workweek, 1-hour response time. That's a lot of employees.
Also: small businesses and startups need not exist.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Well, "Hungry" doesn't exist, Turkey has turned into a full-fledged dictatorship and is not a member of EU anyway, and the Poland government is a bunch of lunatics who have just dismantled their own Supreme Court and erroneously believe in the conspiracy that the Russians have killed their former president. That leaves us with the UK as the only halfway sane actor among the ones you mention, and the majority there already regrets the Brexit according to representative surveys.
1. Search companies have no control over others.
2. ISP have no legal requirement to follow foreign laws.
3. Alaska has passed a law requiring All E.U. nations to submit $60,000 in cash payments for each instance of use, storage, or transmission of the letter "A".
See how silly it is to impose an American "Law" on foreign powers.
EU has basically declared war against USA.
ALEX JONES shall Never Comply !!!
i n f o w a r s . c o m
Who now decides what is considered bad? Is demanding that people go out and vote against a sitting politician bad? Is anything posted by Fox News now bad? Is posting or linking to the factually incorrect and incendiary statements from President Trump now grounds for fines? We only want you to post good things, but now who gets to decide what is bad?
Post haste do it.
Why bother hacking anything anymore, when laws mandate companies provide channels to accomplish what it would otherwise take a lot of hacking to do?
I can see this insta-remove system being really abused for a lot of valid content. Going to be interesting to watch them try to live in the world they are creating.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Ironically, the governments you list have the least problems with removing terrorist content from websites and already do it extensively.
"We have now given you the right to be silent, unless you have been explicitly told you may speak and what to say! Revel in your newly given freedom!" - Glorious Leaders
Leave the content up, and trace the IP address of everybody that views it?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
New tactic: hack someones site and load it with extremism then tip off the authorities.
And to think, that as an American, I was feeling sorry for myself. Never again. I should have known, no matter how crazy America gets, Europe will always be worse. That doesn't mean I excuse or accept how hard we try to fuck ourselves, but I tell you this: the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence. For all its blemishes .. America, fuck yeah!!! Our First Amendment will always make you people look like backwards cavemen.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
The propaganda of Ku Klux Klan (KKK) should be removed in this 21th century, by example, the burning crosses must be banned.
I'll give it a month (or so) before it's all declared null-and-void.
Cool, "Inquisition 2.0"
Any religious content from any religion that espouses any kind of violence, banned.
The Koran and Old Testament call for murder of others on religious principles. Ban all that. Should be fun.
The EU doesn't have a content problem, they have a culture problem - they are infested by cultures prone to irrationality inspired by magical thinking. It doesn't matter what is banned - irrational creatures will continue to be irrational.
"Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the future of the human race." - H. G. Wells
Look at who the extremists are now.
The only way to realistically do this is to vet every posting manually that is even slightly suspicious beforehand. That is censorship, nothing else.
This is a specific kind of evil that especially the Germans are into (but lovers of authoritarianism everywhere can relate). Germany has an absolute "no censorship" in its constitution that cannot be changed. But because they love censorship so much, they are now going this route.
Of course, nobody even considers what the problem with censorship (and authoritarianism) is, just like the last few authoritarian catastrophes had never happened. Evil at work and, as usual, the road to hell is plastered with good intentions.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Censor this EU: When tyranny comes about via dictatorial, democratic, or other means its every man, women, and child's obligation to take up arms and defend freedom and liberty from that tyranny. Political socialism, democratic socialism, communism, and similar ideologies advocate the use of theft and violence and too few understand the implications of this having already been put into a position of poverty by these very systems. Hidden is much of this theft via increased costs to businesses, employment taxes, employee taxes, property taxes, sales, vehicle registration fees, regulations, and other taxes.
In economically freer societies and those which do not utilize violence and theft (taxes) to the same degree to achieve social aims the people are left to spend there own money in which ever way is best. When you take away these freedoms you will always have a system that is less efficient and more costly [ie voluntary contributions to social causes are more efficient means to social change than violent government-orchestrated ones] and makes otherwise able bodied people dependent on corruption (taxes) and government. It's a very dangerous situation for those who understand the critical importance of liberty and freedom. Your laws will eventually be used against you by people like Trump. So what you passed with good intent yesterday will be usurped tomorrow by evil.
There is probably no government in the world that isn't stealing from its people- but there are governments which steal less and the people are all better off for it. New Hampshire is hardly a paradise, but it beats Europe, New York, California, Massachusetts, and pretty much every other socialist hell-hole. It is because socialism depends on violence to achieve its social and political objectives that it is so dangerous. However people are trying to fix a government by moving to New Hampshire. The state has a long way to go before libertarians can turn it into a freedom utopia, but it's happening slowly and surely and more and more people migrate to the state.
This rule would make it impossible for any small company to maintain any kind of interactive presence on the internet. You would need staff working 24x7 just to watch for this. That would be 5 full time employees (7 in France). Popular sites won't have a chance. Hell I could be malicious and take down a site by posting hate on it.
This is a case of the fix being worse than the problem. (or maybe the problem is control freak politicians)
Mariya Gabriel, the Commissar for "digital society and economy" is on record as stating "... the EU is determined to rebuild a safer internet based on our (European Union) values." They fully intend to impose their rules on the whole world. The EU must be stopped.
1) those asking to get back to Nazi time, e.g. neo nazi for example
2) those calling for the killing or violence onto others , be it on basis of skin color, religion, nationality, asyl status, sex, etc...
While I don't agree with the law, it is actually an extension of another which define what sort of speech is forbidden.
The Great Library was burned because the information challenged the authority of those in power, to the savages burned it.
The Internet, on the other hand, is being burned by savages who weild censorship in exchange for votes so political opponents cannot challenge their power.
As you can clearly see, there is an enormous difference as to why those savages in power are burning their various great libraries.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
The countries the AC has listed are governed by right-wring governments, one of them more or less a dictatorship, and all of them take down terrorist content and incitements to violence as fast as they can right now, without the need of any EU directive. Turkey has put tens of thousands of citizens into prison under vague terrorist accusations and there are currently, as we speak, EU actions against Hungary and Poland, because their governments have stifled the press and interfered with the judicial system. Last but not least, the UK has enacted extensive internet surveillance laws and is known to barely protect journalists. In a nutshell, these countries belong to those within the EU that are for more censorship, not against it.
So yeah, the AC's post makes zero sense., even if some US Slashdot mods don't understand that.
So when does the definition of extremist change to âoeI donâ(TM)t agree with youâ and the takedowns get Really aggressive? What if the next leader(s) have a different view of extreme? All this can do is rabbit trail to oppressing groups that the leadership doesnâ(TM)t agree with. China has been setting some great examples these days
So whenever new inane and deranged ramblings from people like Nikki Haley or John Bolton are reported in the news, EU sites will be forced to take them down?
Not too bad an idea but the censorship infrastructure required is nuts anyway. 2/10
You know, as they try to organize riots masked as demonstrations. Want to bet they will take down all conservative postings, and leave violent postings from progressives alone.
Anonymous comments are as pathetic as the anonymous "sources" that contaminate gutless journalism from the New York Time
Fair's fair. Content flagged up by national authorities could be counternoticed by the posters, who would issue summons to the national authorities into national courts. Those national authorities would be given one hour to appear to defend the removal order.
Of course, what fun is it to issue ridiculously short time periods to act if you yourself are made subject to them.
we at least had cheap Vodka.
sudo rm -r -f --no-preserve-root /
can't have that much freedom up-there, are you fuck crazy, just imagine what masses could learn, i'm betting the religious fanatic are also jumping in groups since now all you have to do is complain if something is not as write in modern books
fuck yea there is no spoon bitches
Lawmakers once again proving they have no farking clue how the internet works.
We just cut off the EU as a whole to the internet? just do a ip range ban. if they want to censor the interent as bad as they want then no internet for them? or lest nothing thats from the out side of the EU. This would suck for lots and lots of innocent people yes, I know.
It gives them a mandate to remove anything that they think might be likely to get flagged, which means they can remove all the rough stuff and leave nothing but kitty pictures, banal status updates, and pornography.
They can take a look at any content that is off-mainstream and say, "This is likely to generate a 1-hour ban, so we're just going to remove it in advance and kick out the perpetrators," which leaves them with what they have always wanted, which are "safe spaces" where people can project their egos all over the internet without consequences.
Someone from the FANG companies probably spread around a few million of those Zuckbucks to ensure that the EU would go down this ill-advised path. Nothing says that your civilization is failing quite like having to suppress a whole lot of information related to dissent.
At first, they tell us they will crack down on terrorists... but soon, this will expand to include anyone who is a critic of the current System whose views might lead to a need to physically resist the regime. It always does.
Alternative Right.
We all know that in the context of European governments "extremist content" is anything that exposes islam for just how dangerous it is. These laws will be used against sites like JihadWatch or TheReligionOfPeace, meanwhile muslims will continue to post things like "Death to the Infidel!" from their London flat without reprise.
I'm glad I don't live in Europe.
EU is neoliberal capitalist, authoritarian liberal.
They're not worried about a minarchist troll like you anyway. You believe that the free fox will not eat the free hens in the free hen house, why? Out of the fox's good heart? This requires every single person that may find themselves in a fox's position to not eat the hens. If that's the case full blown communism is then possible.
Perhaps you believe the foxes are good because protestant christianism was invented so that the bourgeoisie can feel good about being rich. Hence working hard pleases Jesus, and rich people are rich because they worked hard and thus they are good people and god, jesus and santa claus will be pleased when they die and they get fluffy angel wings and a lyre.
is not a manual book.
But Europe has a narrower version of free speech, so it's really no surprise.
Almost as un-surprising as USA's extreme phobia of uncovered nipples.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
The EU ought to get off our Internet and start their own if they want to lord over it so badly. I think I'd rather have Romanian hackers on my network than an EU official.
Could we give these "bright" people who came up with the idea to have the responsibility of answering the request and doing the actual work? Cause I don't think they understand how internet works and the volume size of it.
Attempting to hide behind the incorrect use of logical fallacies shows you not only don't understand fallacies, but the initial post your defending is pretty much shit (as is yours). Sorry your such a fucking idiot.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
And oh yes, I realize how many ways you can make fun of us. But we [still] have this.
And here, we still have "display of titties" not being considered as a terrorist act. To each his own.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Between this and the copyright/link tax shit, the EU is basically begging to be cut off from the rest of the internet. You fucking EU citizens under 50 need to start voting these insane morons out.
Whats the material thats going to get removed?
Jokes and funny pictures about French politics?
A joke about Spain and its politics?
Cartoons that are considered blasphemy?
Memes about EU and EU nation politics?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The Europeans have forgotten the power of the guns, gallows and guillotines.
This is one of many recent examples of American company's in the EU being held to different standard and punished for their success.
ALL purchases shipping to europe are chaged an addition 40% Euros in Free Speech fees to offset costs of dealing with E.U. red tape.
"is what ever we dont like, today"
A big F-U needs to be sent to the EU, as every business simply leaves. Let their economy collapse.
Wouldn't that include everything related to the EU? From my perspective, they are pretty extreme, and they seem to think they can rule the whole fucking world from their tiny continent.
Best bet is to just cut them off from the internet and the civilized world. Don't make us come over there . . . . . AGAIN!
Leave the content up, and kill every faggot that complains.
death to fascists
Suddenly not wanting to be raped and murdered is an extreme right-wing position.
The Muslims who burned the library were not in power. They were just raping and murdering their way across the world.
Some things never change.
Block all content from the EU commission. Block all email to and from members of the EU governing body and their employees. Do cell phones fall under these new regulations? If so, disable them.
They did say extremist content must be removed. Just following the rules.
-- Will program for bandwidth
No more ads from the CSU!
As long as making a spurious claim is a criminal offence even for governments. If the one making the claim is liable to jail time they'll do the work checking that this really IS extremist content and that makes the lack of time for the internet firm to do so unnecessary.
The problem with the DMCA et al is that they carry no penalty. The only one there is "knowingly lie about owning the content you claim to own", which doesn't even cover whether the content you claim this on IS infringing on that content you claim to own. As long as you can pretend that someone else is using X and you really DO own rights to X, you can't be done for a false DMCA.
You have to understand what is considered "extremist content" in those European countries (like my own) which already have similar regulation in their national law: criticising Islam, criticising EU-Migration Policies, reporting on crime, discussing non p.c. scientific findings, etc.
Essentially, anything can and will be deleted which the Government considers objectionable. A one-hour deadline guarantees that there is no possibility for carriers to even take a look at the material to be censored or raise objections. The requirement can only be met, if the deletion is essentially automatic.
Is saying "The Chinese people have a right to exist, and a right to have their own country" extremist?
How about "White people have a right to exist, and a right to have their own countries"? I bet that's "extremist", right?
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline. Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Just wow.
"He said that removing material within an hour is important because it's "the critical window in which the greatest damage is done." "
Oh yeah, because we are humans, and we tend to form opinions, and well, this is human nature.
"The EU's executive body said "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism" must be taken offline."
Oh dear, there goes the PLO site. And a host of others. Oh, wait, they are Islamic, and therefore cannot actually be accused of dispersing propaganda. Sure.
"Content would be flagged up by national authorities, who would issue removal orders to the internet companies hosting it."
Not in the US, of course, since we value (or should value) free speech, even that which we disagree with or find somehow reprehensible. But the EU has a different view. I'll be encouraging my representatives and even the possibly evil Internet companies to reject this crap. Fact-checking often isn't. Fake news often is. Propaganda is universal. Deal with it differently. Because you know what the EU will define as "propaganda that prepares, incites or glorifies acts of terrorism", and it won't be Leftist or Islamic, it will be everything else. And they know better then we do.
Just like all good socialists.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
No
Sorry your such a fucking idiot.
Ah the irony of being called a fucking idiot by someone with grammar mistakes. It's like a compliment.
I want to be fined by the EU, just so I can give them both fingers and smooch at them.
Give the Europeans 1 hour to remove the EU
I'd say OK, if and only if the EU itself would move with the same agility.
Ha! Gotcha!!
in Europe: "Mein Kampf"
Life is in a state of dynamic equilibrium, it both blows and sucks
Censoring speech is a bad idea. It will only give the far right a "look what they are doing to us" platform to sell.
It's best to let people speak (as long as it's not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, or similar). For one thing, it makes it easier to track them and get a sense for the direction their rhetoric is taking. But, more importantly, when a crackpot spews his garbage freely and out in the open, the focus is on the message and people see it for the garbage that it is. When the crackpot is censored, the story shifts away form his message and towards the censorship and people lose sight of the garbage.
Let the "fine" people spew their "blood and soil" B.S. loudly and proudly. Decent people -- which is the vast majority of people -- will see it for what it is.
Your a psycho path. If a fox is violent there is no objection to a minimalist government or other entity resolving the issue. You twist words and ideologies around to suit your particular miss-perception on how things work or would work. I don't think we can have a free utopia without like-minded individuals. People in general are too unreliable to depend on achieving and maintaining freedom and liberty. Which is why you need principled libertarians to gather from around the world to achieve and maintain it. There will undoubtedly be foxes, but that's not that hard to deal with. You don't need to arrest people driving motor vehicles without licenses. You don't need to have someone to do the 99.5% of the shit that police do. You don't need a police state or laws on what people can publish, say, or do where there is no violence involved. Dumping toxic waste into a river is an act of violence. Driving without a permission slip from government is not. Crashing a car into someone is violence. You can criminalize one without criminalizing the other.