And my 7 years spent toying with GNU/Linux wasnt for financial reasons, we're NERDS for gods sake! (not to mention i spend 3 times the.....time.. to setup a windows install with all the drivers, then last time i installed a distro....WHICH WAS SLACKWARE FOR CTHULUS SAKE !)
I guess its easier to make that analysis when you only use the "nation" distinction and better yet, toss the Palestinians into with the rest of the arabs in that equation, LOOK THEY GOT SO MUCH MORE LAND SO ITS ONLY FAIR!
Except, if you look up onto the individual ownership of lands of the palestinian living there that fell into the UN map drawings you begin to see the problems. However, how they divided up the land isnt my main beef, my main beef is the one-state-solution which was still viable for many Israeli and Palestinians alike, until the UN voted for partitioning....you'd think they would have learnt something from the India fiasco.
The story about the lawsuit isnt really about some grannies with their nickers in a wad, the game was charged under the pornography law in sweden to challenge the law itself. The one that put forth the charge wants to show the problems with the law.
"That is not politics, but business" you are missing out a whole lot of nuances in your language you know that? Business is by deffinition politicking, you make deal, you argue and make consessions( and no goverment needed either).
"Actually, yes, I can. Lets try a thought experiment: the people in North Korea "... " predictably since all the other restrictions that come with a planned communist economy are still in place."
And you blame me for not reading up on the potato plauge?
"What would India 'impeeded UC' from doing? "
Its what they did NOT! impeed!, like enforcing stricter safety protocols on UC...see perfect freedom, but UC had all the profit motive to make sure that didnt happen RIGHT?! Alas the hubris of man.
"Well, we have a cutting edge social scientist here then! Which is this new form of social production that is neither guided by the profit motive or central planning? Please do tell."
Jesus christ....what i said was its not just the one or the either!
Fuck it im done *Jerry Siendfeild leaving the cinema*
People may mod me down, but for me, you guys are just as much nutters as the marxists.
"Well, if he was phased out due to politics then indeed we are talking about state coerci..." stop...i meant politics in the general sense...getting big by making licensing deal with IBM using an CPM close is not my idea of innovative.
"About the potato famine in Ireland, I really think you should read up more on the subject, the historical context, the English domination, the laws that were in effect at the time that protected local English farmers from competition, o on and so forth. " Which is why i specifically mentioned Lord Russel which entered cabinet in the middle of the crisis, you can't deny that his acts was in reality the biggest Laissez faire experiment in the world. But i brough this up because you moved the goal post, apparently...somehow India impeeded Union Carbadide somehow to make the example moot.
"Finally, what is social democracy? Or social liberalism? These aren't alternatives to a form of social organization like 'private property, prices and markets' as opposed to 'common ownership of property and a planned economy'. This 'social democracy' is simply this little forum where these ideas clash. Eventually you will end up with either laissez-faire or full blown socialism, that just happens in small baby steps instead of the Marx's revolutionary 'socialism by one fell swoop'."
"He's a humble chap. Thing is, Killdal was a great technician, but was a poor entrepreneur." So most innovative individual was phased out duo to politics, yet Bill Gates is the indispensable superman?
"Ya, India circa 1980. The libertarian Eldorado of sacred property rights and individual liberties." Certianly had the freedoms Unione Carbide was after when they setup shop, thing is...you can't find a single example of a complete capitalistic economy which wont interfere in the liberal fundamentalist utiopia of market equilibrium.
The closest you ever came was Lord Russels cabinet experiment trying to solve the Potato Famine in 1800 with laizzises faire ideology. For some liberal theorist at the time, the scope of the solution was that the plauge would decrease the population and therefore it would solve itself.
You can make all sorts of excuses why it didnt work, what they did wrong and that they did more harm then good by not going far enough. But the fact is that it got the same shelf place as Marxism, alot of assumptions and very little though about how to reach the ideal state where the ideology can do its work.
Sorry but....Social Democracy 4 lyfe. (or if you hate Labour day, Social Liberalism 4 lyfe)
"So you mean that, if Bill Gates were a janitor we would still have Microsoft Windows today. He's simply another cog in the wheel, historically irrelevant, whose role would simply be played by another replaceable individual in that scenario?" Bill Gates is the first to admit that his success is largely due to being at the right place at the right time, attleast when it comes to MS DOS and Windows, CPM and OS2 could easily have taken both DOS and Windows place.
I'm not denigrated Gates industriousness either, his years as an obsessive hacker is an inspiration to me, but so did Gary Killdal....who did alot more groundwork for the PC revolution then Bill Gates ever did.
"Commons can't be protected unless they're privately owned. And that is true regardless of individualism or collectivism. Pollution is/was worse in China and the Soviet Union than it is in even radically individualist nations by comparison."
well...to be fair..that whole corporatism bit was just some throwback from Il douches syndicalism days, i think rampant nationalism is much more worrisme trait of fascism.
Look all that is irrelevant, and when you meet somebody or when we talk about somebody...bringing up such inductive logic is pretty irrelevant in most settings.
Only we PC'ers(whatever that means, if it means being anti-nationalist, then yes im one of them) can enjoy racist jokes.....we're the only one that can find them truly, TRULY funny.
"what would you call the flintones if they were black?"
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Rules and setting means nothing...al that matters is YOU GET A CHOICE TO BANG AN ALIEN CHICK!
Bioware is ready for the bishojo market.
And that's why theres a place for you in the B-Ark.
Is why FBI/CIA needs so many gifted programmers
*Yeah i know its 2011 BUT IM STILL FIGHTING FOR THAT JARGON, DAMNIT!*
Well...no..I leached of MSDNAA :)
And my 7 years spent toying with GNU/Linux wasnt for financial reasons, we're NERDS for gods sake!
(not to mention i spend 3 times the.....time.. to setup a windows install with all the drivers, then last time i installed a distro....WHICH WAS SLACKWARE FOR CTHULUS SAKE !)
Thats ok, my wallet was stuffed with those 500 dollars i saved buying an Asus laptop anyway.
USA got 362 Nobel prize laureats....did they all hate USA?
That covers about half that.
WTF!?
Last time i visited LGF it was on par with Free Republic crowd.
More interested in the fact they named the project "Icarus".
Its like...they WANT the mining craft getting their wings wet and crash....as opposed on mining on Mercury.
See...jokes DONT HAVE TO BE SHALLOW!
*somewhere a Jaffa is laughing*
http://capped.tv/playeralt.php?vid=unknown-wwwspeichergurkede
UNLESS YOU BUY NOW!!
Thats "Quantum Link" you historical-less cad.
I guess its easier to make that analysis when you only use the "nation" distinction and better yet, toss the Palestinians into with the rest of the arabs in that equation, LOOK THEY GOT SO MUCH MORE LAND SO ITS ONLY FAIR!
Except, if you look up onto the individual ownership of lands of the palestinian living there that fell into the UN map drawings you begin to see the problems.
However, how they divided up the land isnt my main beef, my main beef is the one-state-solution which was still viable for many Israeli and Palestinians alike, until the UN voted for partitioning....you'd think they would have learnt something from the India fiasco.
The story about the lawsuit isnt really about some grannies with their nickers in a wad, the game was charged under the pornography law in sweden to challenge the law itself.
The one that put forth the charge wants to show the problems with the law.
"That is not politics, but business" you are missing out a whole lot of nuances in your language you know that?
Business is by deffinition politicking, you make deal, you argue and make consessions( and no goverment needed either).
"Actually, yes, I can. Lets try a thought experiment: the people in North Korea " ...
" predictably since all the other restrictions that come with a planned communist economy are still in place."
And you blame me for not reading up on the potato plauge?
"What would India 'impeeded UC' from doing? "
Its what they did NOT! impeed!, like enforcing stricter safety protocols on UC...see perfect freedom, but UC had all the profit motive to make sure that didnt happen RIGHT?!
Alas the hubris of man.
"Well, we have a cutting edge social scientist here then! Which is this new form of social production that is neither guided by the profit motive or central planning? Please do tell."
Jesus christ....what i said was its not just the one or the either!
Fuck it im done *Jerry Siendfeild leaving the cinema*
People may mod me down, but for me, you guys are just as much nutters as the marxists.
"Well, if he was phased out due to politics then indeed we are talking about state coerci..." stop...i meant politics in the general sense...getting big by making licensing deal with IBM using an CPM close is not my idea of innovative.
"About the potato famine in Ireland, I really think you should read up more on the subject, the historical context, the English domination, the laws that were in effect at the time that protected local English farmers from competition, o on and so forth. " Which is why i specifically mentioned Lord Russel which entered cabinet in the middle of the crisis, you can't deny that his acts was in reality the biggest Laissez faire experiment in the world. ...somehow India impeeded Union Carbadide somehow to make the example moot.
But i brough this up because you moved the goal post, apparently
"Finally, what is social democracy? Or social liberalism? These aren't alternatives to a form of social organization like 'private property, prices and markets' as opposed to 'common ownership of property and a planned economy'. This 'social democracy' is simply this little forum where these ideas clash. Eventually you will end up with either laissez-faire or full blown socialism, that just happens in small baby steps instead of the Marx's revolutionary 'socialism by one fell swoop'."
Yeeaeh...thats what we call a false dichotomy.
"He's a humble chap. Thing is, Killdal was a great technician, but was a poor entrepreneur."
So most innovative individual was phased out duo to politics, yet Bill Gates is the indispensable superman?
"Ya, India circa 1980. The libertarian Eldorado of sacred property rights and individual liberties."
Certianly had the freedoms Unione Carbide was after when they setup shop, thing is...you can't find a single example of a complete capitalistic economy which wont interfere in the liberal fundamentalist utiopia of market equilibrium.
The closest you ever came was Lord Russels cabinet experiment trying to solve the Potato Famine in 1800 with laizzises faire ideology.
For some liberal theorist at the time, the scope of the solution was that the plauge would decrease the population and therefore it would solve itself.
You can make all sorts of excuses why it didnt work, what they did wrong and that they did more harm then good by not going far enough.
But the fact is that it got the same shelf place as Marxism, alot of assumptions and very little though about how to reach the ideal state where the ideology can do its work.
Sorry but....Social Democracy 4 lyfe. (or if you hate Labour day, Social Liberalism 4 lyfe)
"So you mean that, if Bill Gates were a janitor we would still have Microsoft Windows today. He's simply another cog in the wheel, historically irrelevant, whose role would simply be played by another replaceable individual in that scenario?"
Bill Gates is the first to admit that his success is largely due to being at the right place at the right time, attleast when it comes to MS DOS and Windows, CPM and OS2 could easily have taken both DOS and Windows place.
I'm not denigrated Gates industriousness either, his years as an obsessive hacker is an inspiration to me, but so did Gary Killdal....who did alot more groundwork for the PC revolution then Bill Gates ever did.
"Commons can't be protected unless they're privately owned. And that is true regardless of individualism or collectivism. Pollution is/was worse in China and the Soviet Union than it is in even radically individualist nations by comparison."
Bhopol called, they want a word with you.
Solar and Wind wont fill every power requirements, no.
It will fill the gaps however.
Thorium has lots of potential yes, but its kinda nonsense to start jawing about building thorium plants at this stage, its still experimental mostly.
But you in the states should be happy to know that thorium research is getting funding, http://newsblaze.com/story/20100530110958zzzz.nb/topstory.html
At least some of your military expenditures are put to productive use.
Not to mention that I'm sure that the technology/knowledge can be readily bought/distributed amongs the many other thorim projects on the globe.
Bit thats what they met-em-for.
Speaking of which...any crazy linguists compiled a Terran version yet?
Now they even stole microsofts excuses.
well...to be fair..that whole corporatism bit was just some throwback from Il douches syndicalism days, i think rampant nationalism is much more worrisme trait of fascism.
Look all that is irrelevant, and when you meet somebody or when we talk about somebody...bringing up such inductive logic is pretty irrelevant in most settings.
Only we PC'ers(whatever that means, if it means being anti-nationalist, then yes im one of them) can enjoy racist jokes.....we're the only one that can find them truly, TRULY funny.
"what would you call the flintones if they were black?"
Or we can judge individuals on individual basis...just a thought.