You just listed pretty much the TOTATILITY of the internet infrastructure that's NOT GPL
There's more, but what I listed was a significant portion of Internet infrastructure, in contradiction to your ridiculous claim that GPL "has given us the infrastructure for the entire internet". And for somebody that claims experience, you also don't seem to understand that the Internet was around and flourishing before there was even a GPL operating system, or that the rise of Linux was partially an accident of history due to the legal tangles of BSD with AT&T.
No, the blackduck study clearly shows that, although GPL popularity has declined somewhat in recent years it was still the most popular license by a massive margin.
You made a claim about the "GPL-family of licenses". When you compare the permissive family (BSD, MIT, and Apache) with the GPL family, the permissive licenses come out on top. Developers are choosing permissive over GPL, even in your preferred study. If I go with the GitHub study GPL isn't even the most popular license, period.
And the point is - you accuse me of living in the past, while ignoring that we were discussing HISTORY - you know, the past.
No, we are discussing the present day breakdown of license choice. Your claim was about the present, which includes old history and recent history.
(of my 6 projects there only one is active - so by your reasoning we can divide it by six)
What the fuck? Don't assign your sloppy and muddled reasoning to me. If you have concrete numbers, like I've been asking for all along, then provide them. You don't.
Instead, Assad launched a chemical weapons attack on Ibdil, making it impossible for Trump not to respond. One could hardly imagine a stupider Syrian response to what was essentially a peace gesture.
Which makes the whole thing suspicious in the first place, just like when Syria supposedly launched a chemical attack after Obama drew his "red line" against chemical weapons.
Tired of embarrassing yourself, so posting as Anonymous Coward now?
that the GPL built the infrastructure for the open internet
Oh, you mean like Apache, OpenSSL, and the BSD network stack?
And the claim that I was responding to was this: "It's been studied repeatedly - there are simply far more open source projects under the GPL-family of licenses than any other license. That implies it is chosen by more free/open source developers than any other license - which makes it the most popular."
And even your own study, the one that shows GPL in the best light, proved you wrong.
Oh and black duck is not a source hosting site - your comparative search is false, but even so their sample size was 6 times larger than github -and INCLUDES github.
You again make unsubstantiated claims. I did not find the number of projects in either study, so where do you get this "6 times" number from? Regardless, your claim was proven wrong when looking at either study.
90% or more of active FOSS projects were founded before github ever existed - mostly decades before.
Oh look, another unsubstantiated claim from you. New projects are being created all the time. And even many old projects have moved to GitHub.
Github represents such a tiny sample size its ridiculous to extrapolate from it.
I didn't find the number of projects for either study, so this is another unsubstantiated claim on your part. However, I can substantiate a simple Google metric:
Search results for "github" "software": About 50,200,000 results
Search results for "black duck" "software": About 286,000 results
All the latesr sexy projects are there - but thats useless for this question.
Maybe you should stop living in the past and assuming nothing has changed significantly since then.
And we who have experience in FOSS have known black duck for decades
And more importantly, maybe you should look at the results from your own Black Duck link. Even that one agrees that, collectively, permissive licenses are winning out over GPL, and that's the trend.
But hey, maybe you think IE is still the number one browser, smart phones are a luxury that can be ignored as a niche product, and gosh darn it, Black Duck and GPL rule the roost of the open source world, because, decades!
The first link I found when I googled it was the one I posted. It also contradicts your study.
is to the most comprehensive study that exists
By what metric? And I've never heard of "Black Duck", but everybody knows about GitHub.
and the most up to date data
The GitHub study was from March 2015, the Black Duck study from November 2014.
And it clearly shows that the GPL2 is still by far the most popular license with GPL3 in second place
But not in the GitHub study, and more importantly, there's a point of agreement that you brazenly try to spin in your favor:
combined they cover a full 37% of all projects by themselves -the remaining 63% divided among ALL OTHER licenses - including the other GNU copyleft licences like the AGPL
Yeah, that's your spin. The real story is that, collectively, the permissive licenses (BSD, Apache, and MIT) outnumber the GPL variants, and that's been the trend. From your own link:
"If we group both versions (2 and 3) of the GPL together, the GPL is in use within 37% of the Black Duck surveyed projects. The three primary permissive license choices (Apache/BSD/MIT), on the other hand, collectively are employed by 42%."
there are simply far more open source projects under the GPL-family of licenses than any other license. That implies it is chosen by more free/open source developers than any other license - which makes it the most popular.
You quoted Judicial Watch 2 times. They aren't a reliable source.
Your disparaging assessment as an Anonymous Coward with no evidence to support your claim is unreliable. He also linked to a Huffington Post article, well ok it was by Andrew Breitbart, but that article links to a New York Times article:
"Here at the Caribou on Pennsylvania Avenue, and a few other nearby coffee shops, White House officials have met hundreds of times over the last 18 months with prominent K Street lobbyists -- members of the same industry that President Obama has derided for what he calls its "outsized influence" in the capital.
On the agenda over espressos and lattes, according to more than a dozen lobbyists and political operatives who have taken part in the sessions, have been front-burner issues like Wall Street regulation, health care rules, federal stimulus money, energy policy and climate control -- and their impact on the lobbyists' corporate clients.
But because the discussions are not taking place at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, they are not subject to disclosure on the visitors' log that the White House releases as part of its pledge to be the "most transparent presidential administration in history." "
instead of trying to convey the sense of critical thought and skepticism that I and my brethren have been working fastidiously toward for the past 3 decades (or more)
Tell us more about the G@y N1ggers Association and frosty piss. You fAil it!
So the "moron" designer was given 10 days to come up with a language that met marketing requirements, and he delivered, and beat Java (applets) at its own game. Not only that, he slipped in some advanced programming features that still makes the language relevant today. From your link:
"Although the schedule and constraints might have been impossible for most programmers, Eich had a long history of building new programming languages, starting from his experience as a student at the University of Illinois, where he built languages just to experiment in syntax. At Silicon Graphics, he created languages that could be used to build extensions for network monitoring tools.
Clearly, building "yet another" language wasn't the hard part for Eich--the hard part was producing a rich and powerful language while being prohibited from using the object-oriented syntax reserved for Java. He wanted to embed advanced features in JavaScript without using language syntax so the language would initially appear simple and lightweight, yet sophisticated programmers would be able to exploit its underlying power. Like many other languages, Java-Script took its basic syntax from the C language, including curly braces, semicolons, and reserved words. It was to be a light, friendly version of C with simpler semantics and better dynamic memory characteristics. Because a typical webpage's lifetime lasted from a few seconds to a few minutes, JavaScript could take a very simplified approach to concurrency and memory management.
Eich built a simplified object model that combined structs from the C language, patterns from SmallTalk, and the symmetry between data and code offered by LISP. The Hypercard event model inspired the pattern for adding events to the HTML document. Object-oriented patterns were possible but via runtime semantics with prototypes (as in Self) instead of compiler-supported class syntax (as in Java and C++."
Donating to prop 8 was an attempt to deny legal rights to other people.
And donating to political causes that champion abortion rights is supporting murder of the unborn. So anybody who does that should be fired and drummed out of their career.
Oh, what's that? You don't think your politics should determine your employment status?
Fuck off with your prop 8 shit. It was a politically contentious issue, there was a reasonable case for the traditional definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, and even many mainstream Democrats at the time had not come out in support of gay marriage (quite the opposite in some cases), and only changed their position when it became political expedient to do so.
Thomas Sowell is a right wing hack who rights for Town Hall for god's sake.
"His high scores on the College Board exams and recommendations by two professors helped him gain admission to Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in 1958 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics.[7][11] He earned a Master's degree from Columbia University the following year.[11]"
And he used evidence-based reasoning instead of feelings, which I guess makes him a "right wing hack".
And I don't feel better. I feel like shit. I've got damned little in this life and I'm constantly worried some asshat will take it away.
Cry me a river. Life isn't a utopia, and schemes designed to make it so tend to have the opposite effect. Capitalism, free market economies, and personal responsibility are the best we have come up with.
Quality of universal healthcare care varies, and even the US has safety nets.
free university education
A government boondoggle.
crime rate is ridiculously low here compared to the US
That depends on a lot of factors that aren't necessarily tied to the amount of taxes that you pay. If it's due to a homogeneous society with a good cultural ethic, you're probably going to be kissing it goodbye with the immigration waves, because "diversity is strength".
In martial arts the opponents actually develop the ability to read each other's mind and foresee their moves. Once this ability is perfected, the player essentially becomes invincible.
Because prostitutes can't check facts? How does that work?
It's not a sign of professionalism when the owner hires prostitutes that he's probably been visiting. Read the Forbes article. Snopes is lacking in qualities that you'd expect from a fact checker.
there's a difference between "spin" and "lying"
Yes, and most of the judgments tend to be about spin, with a wide room for interpretation -- which makes it easy for the bias of the so-called fact checkers to shine through.
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You just listed pretty much the TOTATILITY of the internet infrastructure that's NOT GPL
There's more, but what I listed was a significant portion of Internet infrastructure, in contradiction to your ridiculous claim that GPL "has given us the infrastructure for the entire internet". And for somebody that claims experience, you also don't seem to understand that the Internet was around and flourishing before there was even a GPL operating system, or that the rise of Linux was partially an accident of history due to the legal tangles of BSD with AT&T.
No, the blackduck study clearly shows that, although GPL popularity has declined somewhat in recent years it was still the most popular license by a massive margin.
You made a claim about the "GPL-family of licenses". When you compare the permissive family (BSD, MIT, and Apache) with the GPL family, the permissive licenses come out on top. Developers are choosing permissive over GPL, even in your preferred study. If I go with the GitHub study GPL isn't even the most popular license, period.
And the point is - you accuse me of living in the past, while ignoring that we were discussing HISTORY - you know, the past.
No, we are discussing the present day breakdown of license choice. Your claim was about the present, which includes old history and recent history.
(of my 6 projects there only one is active - so by your reasoning we can divide it by six)
What the fuck? Don't assign your sloppy and muddled reasoning to me. If you have concrete numbers, like I've been asking for all along, then provide them. You don't.
Instead, Assad launched a chemical weapons attack on Ibdil, making it impossible for Trump not to respond. One could hardly imagine a stupider Syrian response to what was essentially a peace gesture.
Which makes the whole thing suspicious in the first place, just like when Syria supposedly launched a chemical attack after Obama drew his "red line" against chemical weapons.
He seems to be doing his best to squash any continuation or indeed improvement in the rights and access of females to reproductive assistance.
You misspelled government-funded abortions.
it would say NOTHING about my actual claim
Tired of embarrassing yourself, so posting as Anonymous Coward now?
that the GPL built the infrastructure for the open internet
Oh, you mean like Apache, OpenSSL, and the BSD network stack?
And the claim that I was responding to was this: "It's been studied repeatedly - there are simply far more open source projects under the GPL-family of licenses than any other license. That implies it is chosen by more free/open source developers than any other license - which makes it the most popular."
And even your own study, the one that shows GPL in the best light, proved you wrong.
Oh and black duck is not a source hosting site - your comparative search is false, but even so their sample size was 6 times larger than github -and INCLUDES github.
You again make unsubstantiated claims. I did not find the number of projects in either study, so where do you get this "6 times" number from? Regardless, your claim was proven wrong when looking at either study.
Dude... stop advertising your lack of experience.
And stop advertising your disregard for facts.
90% or more of active FOSS projects were founded before github ever existed - mostly decades before.
Oh look, another unsubstantiated claim from you. New projects are being created all the time. And even many old projects have moved to GitHub.
Github represents such a tiny sample size its ridiculous to extrapolate from it.
I didn't find the number of projects for either study, so this is another unsubstantiated claim on your part. However, I can substantiate a simple Google metric:
Search results for "github" "software": About 50,200,000 results
Search results for "black duck" "software": About 286,000 results
All the latesr sexy projects are there - but thats useless for this question.
Maybe you should stop living in the past and assuming nothing has changed significantly since then.
And we who have experience in FOSS have known black duck for decades
And more importantly, maybe you should look at the results from your own Black Duck link. Even that one agrees that, collectively, permissive licenses are winning out over GPL, and that's the trend.
But hey, maybe you think IE is still the number one browser, smart phones are a luxury that can be ignored as a niche product, and gosh darn it, Black Duck and GPL rule the roost of the open source world, because, decades!
The very first link if you google it,
The first link I found when I googled it was the one I posted. It also contradicts your study.
is to the most comprehensive study that exists
By what metric? And I've never heard of "Black Duck", but everybody knows about GitHub.
and the most up to date data
The GitHub study was from March 2015, the Black Duck study from November 2014.
And it clearly shows that the GPL2 is still by far the most popular license with GPL3 in second place
But not in the GitHub study, and more importantly, there's a point of agreement that you brazenly try to spin in your favor:
combined they cover a full 37% of all projects by themselves -the remaining 63% divided among ALL OTHER licenses - including the other GNU copyleft licences like the AGPL
Yeah, that's your spin. The real story is that, collectively, the permissive licenses (BSD, Apache, and MIT) outnumber the GPL variants, and that's been the trend. From your own link:
"If we group both versions (2 and 3) of the GPL together, the GPL is in use within 37% of the Black Duck surveyed projects. The three primary permissive license choices (Apache/BSD/MIT), on the other hand, collectively are employed by 42%."
It's been studied repeatedly
So where's your cites to any of these studies?
there are simply far more open source projects under the GPL-family of licenses than any other license. That implies it is chosen by more free/open source developers than any other license - which makes it the most popular.
Oh really?
1 MIT 44.69%
2 Other 15.68%
3 GPLv2 12.96%
4 Apache 11.19%
5 GPLv3 8.88%
6 BSD 3-clause 4.53%
7 Unlicense 1.87%
8 BSD 2-clause 1.70%
9 LGPLv3 1.30%
10 AGPLv3 1.05%
You quoted Judicial Watch 2 times. They aren't a reliable source.
Your disparaging assessment as an Anonymous Coward with no evidence to support your claim is unreliable. He also linked to a Huffington Post article, well ok it was by Andrew Breitbart, but that article links to a New York Times article:
"Here at the Caribou on Pennsylvania Avenue, and a few other nearby coffee shops, White House officials have met hundreds of times over the last 18 months with prominent K Street lobbyists -- members of the same industry that President Obama has derided for what he calls its "outsized influence" in the capital.
On the agenda over espressos and lattes, according to more than a dozen lobbyists and political operatives who have taken part in the sessions, have been front-burner issues like Wall Street regulation, health care rules, federal stimulus money, energy policy and climate control -- and their impact on the lobbyists' corporate clients.
But because the discussions are not taking place at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, they are not subject to disclosure on the visitors' log that the White House releases as part of its pledge to be the "most transparent presidential administration in history." "
instead of trying to convey the sense of critical thought and skepticism that I and my brethren have been working fastidiously toward for the past 3 decades (or more)
Tell us more about the G@y N1ggers Association and frosty piss. You fAil it!
It was designed by a fucking moron in 10 days.
So the "moron" designer was given 10 days to come up with a language that met marketing requirements, and he delivered, and beat Java (applets) at its own game. Not only that, he slipped in some advanced programming features that still makes the language relevant today. From your link:
"Although the schedule and constraints might have been impossible for most programmers, Eich had a long history of building new programming languages, starting from his experience as a student at the University of Illinois, where he built languages just to experiment in syntax. At Silicon Graphics, he created languages that could be used to build extensions for network monitoring tools.
Clearly, building "yet another" language wasn't the hard part for Eich--the hard part was producing a rich and powerful language while being prohibited from using the object-oriented syntax reserved for Java. He wanted to embed advanced features in JavaScript without using language syntax so the language would initially appear simple and lightweight, yet sophisticated programmers would be able to exploit its underlying power.
Like many other languages, Java-Script took its basic syntax from the C language, including curly braces, semicolons, and reserved words. It was to be a light, friendly version of C with simpler semantics and better dynamic memory characteristics. Because a typical webpage's lifetime lasted from a few seconds to a few minutes, JavaScript could take a very simplified approach to concurrency and memory management.
Eich built a simplified object model that combined structs from the C language, patterns from SmallTalk, and the symmetry between data and code offered by LISP. The Hypercard event model inspired the pattern for adding events to the HTML document. Object-oriented patterns were possible but via runtime semantics with prototypes (as in Self) instead of compiler-supported class syntax (as in Java and C++."
there is no such thing as a SJW, it's just a way for you to show a tribal affiliation
Uh huh. So SJW is not a tribal affiliation, but the people who call out their bullshit is. Gotcha.
We've seen the social "justice" warriors for awhile now, and pretending that they don't exist is a brazen lie.
Exhibit 1: The in-group hair tints.
Exhibit 2: A group of people that don't exist visiting Google.
Exhibit 3: Another group of people that don't exist harassing a university professor out of a job because they were upset over Halloween costumes.
I could go on and on. The social "justice" idiots have been very active and well-documented.
Donating to prop 8 was an attempt to deny legal rights to other people.
And donating to political causes that champion abortion rights is supporting murder of the unborn. So anybody who does that should be fired and drummed out of their career.
Oh, what's that? You don't think your politics should determine your employment status?
Fuck off with your prop 8 shit. It was a politically contentious issue, there was a reasonable case for the traditional definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, and even many mainstream Democrats at the time had not come out in support of gay marriage (quite the opposite in some cases), and only changed their position when it became political expedient to do so.
Thomas Sowell is a right wing hack who rights for Town Hall for god's sake.
"His high scores on the College Board exams and recommendations by two professors helped him gain admission to Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in 1958 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in economics.[7][11] He earned a Master's degree from Columbia University the following year.[11]"
And he used evidence-based reasoning instead of feelings, which I guess makes him a "right wing hack".
And I don't feel better. I feel like shit. I've got damned little in this life and I'm constantly worried some asshat will take it away.
Cry me a river. Life isn't a utopia, and schemes designed to make it so tend to have the opposite effect. Capitalism, free market economies, and personal responsibility are the best we have come up with.
RARE FACT
Do not spread!
High speed Internet access is a requirement for being a first-class citizen in the modern age.
No it isn't.
I live in a European country.
Which one?
However, I do get universal healthcare
Quality of universal healthcare care varies, and even the US has safety nets.
free university education
A government boondoggle.
crime rate is ridiculously low here compared to the US
That depends on a lot of factors that aren't necessarily tied to the amount of taxes that you pay. If it's due to a homogeneous society with a good cultural ethic, you're probably going to be kissing it goodbye with the immigration waves, because "diversity is strength".
do I or don't I?
Ok, you're "that guy". When you get a Facebook account, it will reach the tipping point and implode. So please, get a Facebook account.
I stopped looking for celebrity nudes on Google. Even with safe-search off, it seems they've become high-minded.
I've always found writing code simpler than reading code written by somebody else, especially if it's poorly structured, documented, commented, etc.
Which is why it's common for a new team to take over a project and then immediately claim it needs to be rewritten.
In martial arts the opponents actually develop the ability to read each other's mind and foresee their moves. Once this ability is perfected, the player essentially becomes invincible.
Anime is not real life.
Once more, show me the proof that the PRODUCT IS FALSE.
Any "proof" I show you will be dismissed, because you'll just agree with whatever spin fits your chosen side.
So far, Finding the republicans lie more and more severely is simply true.
No, that's just your own dogmatic assumption.
And I can trivially reject any source you claim as "objective" as biased without looking at the evidence. That doesn't get us anywhere.
That's fucking bullshit man. Retweeting.
Good job, anonymous Twitteratee. You are such a hero.
And maybe
Maybe, maybe , maybe. You should really listen to Thomas Sowell, who's black, educated, and steeped in evidence-based reasoning.
Not a chance with guys like you lying to yourself to feel better. But hey, you feel better, right?
Right back at you.
Because prostitutes can't check facts? How does that work?
It's not a sign of professionalism when the owner hires prostitutes that he's probably been visiting. Read the Forbes article. Snopes is lacking in qualities that you'd expect from a fact checker.
there's a difference between "spin" and "lying"
Yes, and most of the judgments tend to be about spin, with a wide room for interpretation -- which makes it easy for the bias of the so-called fact checkers to shine through.