Is any of this online that I could have a look at? future proposed NASA missions? (and does anybody have links to other countries bluesky missions?). Cheers.
This looks like a good introduction to the history of the British Police Box...
"The TARDIS style boxes were the most expensive and the cost for building a box in 1931 was 55pounds 16 shillings and 7pence, with another 3 pounds for number plate, coat hook, lino , stool, a fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as a brush and duster to keep the mini police station tidy!"
Happy reading. Me, I'm 36 and grew up in England. Never saw a 'real' police box til I was a teenager. Vaguely knew that Dr. Who was travelling round in something that old-fashioned policemen used to use when my dad was a boy (or the Age of the Dinosaurs or similar) but never saw one until I was wandering round London as a teenager and found a few grubby disused and flyposted ones. Luckily these days councils have cottoned on to the fact that they are actually design classics, charming and tourists love them (as well as us who grew up as kids watching the Doctor take on tin foil and vacuum cleaner-part aliens), and they've been restoring a few rather than flattening them all.
..yell "HEIL HITLER" at the top of your lungs, and give the Roman salute?...
Hmm, I thought people who shout things like "Heil Hitler" are giving Nazi salutes. I thought people who gave "Roman salutes" tended to shout things like "ave, Caesar, morituri te salutamus" ('hail, Caesar, we who are about to die salute you').
The average age of death for industrial workers in Europe at this time was approximately 40. I assume your posting was a troll. Certainly it was anonymous.
I'd say one indicator of exploitation is where people work in very unsafe working conditions, with little chance of improving them, and suffer health problems as a result of working. A second one is child labour.
I accept that the reason people work in these conditions is because this is better than the option (starving). But do you approve of child labour or unsafe working conditions? Don't you think we should be trying to find ways to improve social as well as economic conditions?
I accept that protectionist first world countries are terrified of trade barriers coming down because there won't be any industry left in NZ or USA or UK or other first world countries if companies can outsource their production to developing countries for far less cost. Joe Public will be happier when his new auto and tv cost less.
Ok, serious request, not just a wind up. Do you have a URL reference to where it is used in a serious context, e.g. UN documents etc. Over here (UK) it has just been taken as part of the comic strip language that Bush uses (and scares the hell out of us). All part of the blurring between b-movies and b-movie language to describe very real, very serious situations. Trouble is the word simplifies things too far.
This will probably annoy you (so apologies in advance) but one of the reasons Bush etc don't do themselves any favours with some of their allies, like in Europe, is they belittle their value by using this language. For example, to be technically correct, your example "Being rogueish means doing your own thing (like plotting against your neighbors and stockpiling biochemical weapons) and not really giving 2 shits about what anyone says." could actually apply to the USA. The USA stockpiles weapons of mass destruction and terror, definitely has plotted against and overthrown its neighbours on several occasions, and does not really give 2 shits about what anyone says. I think most of us want to believe in the USA, but the people at the top could try a little harder in their words and actions. Remember a lot of Europeans and people of other nations of Bush's age have had first hand experience of war as a terrible experience in their own home town, have been on the receiving end of terror-wars, and so are a lot less inclined to simplistic movie- language to describe these encounters.
Yeah, nice idea but does kind of remind me of the bit in Hitchhiker's GTTG where that planet gets rid of all its telephone sanitation engineers and then a year later everybody promptly dies of a disease spread by dirty telephones.
The term "rogue nation" concerns me, it is just too comic strip/ kids playground language to be taken seriously. The idea that some of the most powerful decision makers in the world think we're playing cowboys and injuns or cops 'n robbers is downright scary. I think you make a fine analogy by mentioning Calvin and Hobbes. The USA is a damn sight better option than most of these countries, but is sure aint perfect. I think we're in agreement, we have a responsibility to keep our elected representatives accountable, to remind them that they are representing us, not just being voted in to be let loose with a lot of toys. Democracy shouldn't mean a once every four years (or how often you vote for your reps) responsibility, and then you throw away any personal involvement.
As you well mention, it would be a far better option to find a way to make sure the 'other countries' have something to lose. I think a lot of the craziness in the world is coming from people who have been so f**ked over by the big boys that they just have nothing to lose any more.
'Nuff said. Would have been nice to tell the school where my brother teaches in Manchester, UK. Or to contact my friend who is working with local schools in Cambodia.
yup, it turned out that the hard drive had died in some very sick manner. 3 months later, the replacement did as well - turns out SGI UK had a bad batch, oh great. Interesting to hear about the SGI jokes though because I really think it said 'Don't Panic' rather than 'Double Panic'. Of course I could be wrong but being pretty into Hitchhikers GTTG , that was one of the things which freaked me out the most. A kind of 'Oh no reality and fiction are starting to bleed into each other ' kinda ting.
How come all those servicemen who were at nuclear tests are putting in legal cases? How come all those people died in terrible agony? Have you read any stories from the survivors (and yes I know the Allies were responsible for another charming act of war atrocity with conventional weapons at Dresden).
I really, really hope this never happens, but I'd be interested to hear your position about how you'd feel about somebody letting off one in your country. It could happen, the world is crazy enough and there are enough poor people with not enough to lose, as another poster has commented.
It does strike me as very ironic that the one country that's used nuclear weapons is one of the most keen to make sure other people aren't allowed to possess them, while they reserve the right to maintain their own arsenal. Lots of people find that a bit hypocritical to say the least.
SGI message - has anybody else had this?
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First time my boss went away and left me in charge of everything, our baby, the SGI Indigo2 ( this was a few years ago) decided to die big style. I am not a full blooded geek so scuse me if I don't describe this right, but...
...screen filled with text, went up the screen rapidly filling the whole thing, I think it was like when you start up and all the boot stuff goes past. Finally the screen flashes then does a sort of blue screen of death and the only text on the screen in the top left is DON'T PANIC.
I swear I saw this, if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it, but there I am, the boss is away for the first time on holiday and the computer is saying 'DON'T PANIC' . I knew things were very, very bad.
Can somebody tell me about this error message, how SGI got to put it on their machines, and why?
(end note is boss was cool as ever and the engineers fixed it and we got our data back, but boy, was I afraid to touch that machine again...)
Is it better to kill people the old fashioned way using explosives that obliterate them into scattered pieces?
Yes, you don't poison the land and seas for thousands of years to come and create the massive problems that a hideously irradiated planet would have to face up to. All weapons are bad for sure (they reckon it will take 400 years to clear Cambodia of landmines at the present rate), but some are really, really bad.
Mind you some people make *lots* of money out of selling them.
Hell of a lot of things boil down to money, in the end (don't need to tell this to a/. crowd who are predominantly in favour of USA style economies, and ahem, let's not mention which evil dictators we're at war with, and which are our 'best friends'). If it saves us from ecological disaster, then heck, I am happy. Wrong motives maybe but at least then there will be a half-habitable planet left for our kids.
I think you're being paranoid ('Latent IT'). Tell us the places you've visited and when you found them the most dangerous.
At the grand old age of 35 years old, last year, I packed in my job and bought a round the world ticket. UK- India (near the Pakistan border) - Singapore - Thailand - Cambodia - Australia - New Zealand - USA - back to UK. Best thing I've ever done. Forget your alma mater, travel is the university of life. Wish I'd been able to work in one of those countries, the other posters are right about trying to pick up a job and stay for a while.
I only ever got into a scary situation once -yup, you guessed it, in the USA (three cop cars pulled me over on a desert road in Texas and pulled their guns out and accused me of smuggling drugs). Only time anybody pulled a gun on me.
Ok so bad things happen sometimes everywhere in the world but hey I can laugh about the scary bits now and I had some damn fine times that I'll be able to bore the grandkids with.
"It's shameful how you want to keep these poor people poor forever. "
I'm sorry, could you indicate which of my statements in my original posting defined this as my position?
You should read some books on Macroeconomics..
Such as Macroeconomics (eighth edition) by Rudiger Dornbusch, Stanley Fischer and Richard Startz? or another?
To reiterate my original post, could provide some references? Though I respect your opinions, it is always good to read some more well written books and journal articles to get a wider perspective. I look forward to your suggestions.
Surely as a good Yorkshireman Wallace would have gone with Norman "bite yer legs" Hunter, as a Leeds United and England hardman rather than our Nobby who was a Manchester United player even though in the 66 Final team..:-))
...sounds like idle supposition - could you provide some references to help back up your position?
One of the issues I've come across regarding poverty is the way in which Western companies ruthlessly exploit indigenous knowledge through the patent system( Patents: Myths and Reality by Vandana Shiva Price Rs200 ISBN 014029824X )...
You make some good points and everybody in Europe knows that the situation we have today is due to the positive intervention (in my opinion) of other countries. A lot of people are very, very grateful, including me.
What's interesting is that I can't tell which country you're writing from based on the statements about your country's foreign policy - I assume USA based on our previous exchange but the points you make could be written by a Canadian, Australian, New Zealander, Indian, Jamaican... these countries and many more sent troops and aid to fight in wars between 1900 -1945. We honour all these countries for their sacrifices.
My key point was that I think a people and their country's attitude to war is profoundly affected by their experience of it. I think that the US (and some other countries) experience of war as something that happens in a remote place is similar to the British experience of war in the 19th Century, rather than the European (and many other countries) experience in the 20th Century. I think it makes a difference that for the USA and some countries, war is still something that is about cheering the boys off to on a foreign front, while life goes on as normal back home. It's telling you note that previous wars you intervened in cost you 'millions of sons' - it only affected young men. For many countries (e.g. Europe), in living memory war has affected *everybody*, war is something that happens in your village. It's about enemy tanks driving down your high street, bombers dropping high explosives on your mother's retirement home, your school being used as a detention centre to accuse your neighbours of being terrorists and acting in the way the victors feel is appropriate. It's about your grandfather surviving in the bombed out rubble of his own home through the middle of the winter with no fuel and little food.
I think that this more direct experience of war makes some countries more reticent about engaging in such an act and gives them a different perspective.
You ever tried to get a phone which has decent reception once you're away from the big cities? All that 'we have 95% coverage' advertising refers to the population, not geographical spread... all gets a bit flaky once you get into the hills over 500 metres high! (mind you persuading despatch companies to deliver computers to the Islands is pretty hard as well, anything after Glasgow is as good as Greenland for them....)
err, this isn't just a wargame for the PC. Loads of innocent people are going to die, be made homeless, see their hometowns bombed into rubble and the really evil people will get away. That's why some of us get uptight.
Pax Americana is probably the best we're going to get for a while, but damn, some of you guys treat war like it's a jolly little Victorian English game. Lots of us live in countries where war means enemy tanks rolling down your street in your father's lifetime if not your own.
Mod this down please, slashdot. I read this as a pretty crap piece of racist humour. (Our brave anonymous coward original poster is welcome to correct me, I await the response...).
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Is any of this online that I could have a look at? future proposed NASA missions? (and does anybody have links to other countries bluesky missions?). Cheers.
This looks like a good introduction to the history of the British Police Box...
"The TARDIS style boxes were the most expensive and the cost for building a box in 1931 was 55pounds 16 shillings and 7pence, with another 3 pounds for number plate, coat hook, lino , stool, a fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as a brush and duster to keep the mini police station tidy!"
Happy reading. Me, I'm 36 and grew up in England. Never saw a 'real' police box til I was a teenager. Vaguely knew that Dr. Who was travelling round in something that old-fashioned policemen used to use when my dad was a boy (or the Age of the Dinosaurs or similar) but never saw one until I was wandering round London as a teenager and found a few grubby disused and flyposted ones. Luckily these days councils have cottoned on to the fact that they are actually design classics, charming and tourists love them (as well as us who grew up as kids watching the Doctor take on tin foil and vacuum cleaner-part aliens), and they've been restoring a few rather than flattening them all.
Hmm, I thought people who shout things like "Heil Hitler" are giving Nazi salutes. I thought people who gave "Roman salutes" tended to shout things like "ave, Caesar, morituri te salutamus" ('hail, Caesar, we who are about to die salute you').
The average age of death for industrial workers in Europe at this time was approximately 40. I assume your posting was a troll. Certainly it was anonymous.
I'd say one indicator of exploitation is where people work in very unsafe working conditions, with little chance of improving them, and suffer health problems as a result of working. A second one is child labour.
I accept that the reason people work in these conditions is because this is better than the option (starving). But do you approve of child labour or unsafe working conditions? Don't you think we should be trying to find ways to improve social as well as economic conditions?
I accept that protectionist first world countries are terrified of trade barriers coming down because there won't be any industry left in NZ or USA or UK or other first world countries if companies can outsource their production to developing countries for far less cost. Joe Public will be happier when his new auto and tv cost less.
Ok, serious request, not just a wind up. Do you have a URL reference to where it is used in a serious context, e.g. UN documents etc. Over here (UK) it has just been taken as part of the comic strip language that Bush uses (and scares the hell out of us). All part of the blurring between b-movies and b-movie language to describe very real, very serious situations. Trouble is the word simplifies things too far.
This will probably annoy you (so apologies in advance) but one of the reasons Bush etc don't do themselves any favours with some of their allies, like in Europe, is they belittle their value by using this language. For example, to be technically correct, your example "Being rogueish means doing your own thing (like plotting against your neighbors and stockpiling biochemical weapons) and not really giving 2 shits about what anyone says." could actually apply to the USA. The USA stockpiles weapons of mass destruction and terror, definitely has plotted against and overthrown its neighbours on several occasions, and does not really give 2 shits about what anyone says. I think most of us want to believe in the USA, but the people at the top could try a little harder in their words and actions. Remember a lot of Europeans and people of other nations of Bush's age have had first hand experience of war as a terrible experience in their own home town, have been on the receiving end of terror-wars, and so are a lot less inclined to simplistic movie- language to describe these encounters.
Yeah, nice idea but does kind of remind me of the bit in Hitchhiker's GTTG where that planet gets rid of all its telephone sanitation engineers and then a year later everybody promptly dies of a disease spread by dirty telephones.
Nice idea but don't just take geeks...
The term "rogue nation" concerns me, it is just too comic strip/ kids playground language to be taken seriously. The idea that some of the most powerful decision makers in the world think we're playing cowboys and injuns or cops 'n robbers is downright scary. I think you make a fine analogy by mentioning Calvin and Hobbes. The USA is a damn sight better option than most of these countries, but is sure aint perfect. I think we're in agreement, we have a responsibility to keep our elected representatives accountable, to remind them that they are representing us, not just being voted in to be let loose with a lot of toys. Democracy shouldn't mean a once every four years (or how often you vote for your reps) responsibility, and then you throw away any personal involvement.
As you well mention, it would be a far better option to find a way to make sure the 'other countries' have something to lose. I think a lot of the craziness in the world is coming from people who have been so f**ked over by the big boys that they just have nothing to lose any more.
'Nuff said. Would have been nice to tell the school where my brother teaches in Manchester, UK. Or to contact my friend who is working with local schools in Cambodia.
yup, it turned out that the hard drive had died in some very sick manner. 3 months later, the replacement did as well - turns out SGI UK had a bad batch, oh great. Interesting to hear about the SGI jokes though because I really think it said 'Don't Panic' rather than 'Double Panic'. Of course I could be wrong but being pretty into Hitchhikers GTTG , that was one of the things which freaked me out the most. A kind of 'Oh no reality and fiction are starting to bleed into each other ' kinda ting.
Cheers for your explanation...
How come all those servicemen who were at nuclear tests are putting in legal cases? How come all those people died in terrible agony? Have you read any stories from the survivors (and yes I know the Allies were responsible for another charming act of war atrocity with conventional weapons at Dresden).
I really, really hope this never happens, but I'd be interested to hear your position about how you'd feel about somebody letting off one in your country. It could happen, the world is crazy enough and there are enough poor people with not enough to lose, as another poster has commented.
It does strike me as very ironic that the one country that's used nuclear weapons is one of the most keen to make sure other people aren't allowed to possess them, while they reserve the right to maintain their own arsenal. Lots of people find that a bit hypocritical to say the least.
First time my boss went away and left me in charge of everything, our baby, the SGI Indigo2 ( this was a few years ago) decided to die big style. I am not a full blooded geek so scuse me if I don't describe this right, but...
...screen filled with text, went up the screen rapidly filling the whole thing, I think it was like when you start up and all the boot stuff goes past. Finally the screen flashes then does a sort of blue screen of death and the only text on the screen in the top left is DON'T PANIC.
I swear I saw this, if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it, but there I am, the boss is away for the first time on holiday and the computer is saying 'DON'T PANIC' . I knew things were very, very bad.
Can somebody tell me about this error message, how SGI got to put it on their machines, and why?
(end note is boss was cool as ever and the engineers fixed it and we got our data back, but boy, was I afraid to touch that machine again...)
Is it better to kill people the old fashioned way using explosives that obliterate them into scattered pieces?
Yes, you don't poison the land and seas for thousands of years to come and create the massive problems that a hideously irradiated planet would have to face up to. All weapons are bad for sure (they reckon it will take 400 years to clear Cambodia of landmines at the present rate), but some are really, really bad.
Mind you some people make *lots* of money out of selling them.
Hell of a lot of things boil down to money, in the end (don't need to tell this to a /. crowd who are predominantly in favour of USA style economies, and ahem, let's not mention which evil dictators we're at war with, and which are our 'best friends'). If it saves us from ecological disaster, then heck, I am happy. Wrong motives maybe but at least then there will be a half-habitable planet left for our kids.
I think you're being paranoid ('Latent IT'). Tell us the places you've visited and when you found them the most dangerous.
At the grand old age of 35 years old, last year, I packed in my job and bought a round the world ticket. UK- India (near the Pakistan border) - Singapore - Thailand - Cambodia - Australia - New Zealand - USA - back to UK. Best thing I've ever done. Forget your alma mater, travel is the university of life. Wish I'd been able to work in one of those countries, the other posters are right about trying to pick up a job and stay for a while.I only ever got into a scary situation once -yup, you guessed it, in the USA (three cop cars pulled me over on a desert road in Texas and pulled their guns out and accused me of smuggling drugs). Only time anybody pulled a gun on me.
Ok so bad things happen sometimes everywhere in the world but hey I can laugh about the scary bits now and I had some damn fine times that I'll be able to bore the grandkids with."It's shameful how you want to keep these poor people poor forever. "
I'm sorry, could you indicate which of my statements in my original posting defined this as my position?
You should read some books on Macroeconomics..
Such as Macroeconomics (eighth edition) by Rudiger Dornbusch, Stanley Fischer and Richard Startz? or another?
To reiterate my original post, could provide some references? Though I respect your opinions, it is always good to read some more well written books and journal articles to get a wider perspective. I look forward to your suggestions.
Surely as a good Yorkshireman Wallace would have gone with Norman "bite yer legs" Hunter, as a Leeds United and England hardman rather than our Nobby who was a Manchester United player even though in the 66 Final team.. :-))
Ok, I know you were being ironic... or at least I hope so (like, you'll blend into most UK pubs with your accent, for sure) :-)
...sounds like idle supposition - could you provide some references to help back up your position?
One of the issues I've come across regarding poverty is the way in which Western companies ruthlessly exploit indigenous knowledge through the patent system( Patents: Myths and Reality by Vandana Shiva Price Rs200 ISBN 014029824X )...
You make some good points and everybody in Europe knows that the situation we have today is due to the positive intervention (in my opinion) of other countries. A lot of people are very, very grateful, including me.
What's interesting is that I can't tell which country you're writing from based on the statements about your country's foreign policy - I assume USA based on our previous exchange but the points you make could be written by a Canadian, Australian, New Zealander, Indian, Jamaican... these countries and many more sent troops and aid to fight in wars between 1900 -1945. We honour all these countries for their sacrifices.
My key point was that I think a people and their country's attitude to war is profoundly affected by their experience of it. I think that the US (and some other countries) experience of war as something that happens in a remote place is similar to the British experience of war in the 19th Century, rather than the European (and many other countries) experience in the 20th Century. I think it makes a difference that for the USA and some countries, war is still something that is about cheering the boys off to on a foreign front, while life goes on as normal back home. It's telling you note that previous wars you intervened in cost you 'millions of sons' - it only affected young men. For many countries (e.g. Europe), in living memory war has affected *everybody*, war is something that happens in your village. It's about enemy tanks driving down your high street, bombers dropping high explosives on your mother's retirement home, your school being used as a detention centre to accuse your neighbours of being terrorists and acting in the way the victors feel is appropriate. It's about your grandfather surviving in the bombed out rubble of his own home through the middle of the winter with no fuel and little food.
I think that this more direct experience of war makes some countries more reticent about engaging in such an act and gives them a different perspective.
You ever tried to get a phone which has decent reception once you're away from the big cities? All that 'we have 95% coverage' advertising refers to the population, not geographical spread... all gets a bit flaky once you get into the hills over 500 metres high! (mind you persuading despatch companies to deliver computers to the Islands is pretty hard as well, anything after Glasgow is as good as Greenland for them....)
err, this isn't just a wargame for the PC. Loads of innocent people are going to die, be made homeless, see their hometowns bombed into rubble and the really evil people will get away. That's why some of us get uptight.
Pax Americana is probably the best we're going to get for a while, but damn, some of you guys treat war like it's a jolly little Victorian English game. Lots of us live in countries where war means enemy tanks rolling down your street in your father's lifetime if not your own.
Mod this down please, slashdot. I read this as a pretty crap piece of racist humour. (Our brave anonymous coward original poster is welcome to correct me, I await the response...).
Actually I think there is one on the Seine in Paris... ;-)
What, like what watch a dozen tv documentaries on volcanoes and space stations and cool physics stuff like that? ...hmmm, maybe I'll take a look :-)