Help an uneducated brit here guys, what does "So, where's mol for Mac OS X? " mean? expression from across the pond or did I fall asleep in computer class again?... cheers...
The guys who are doing this project are coming along to dorkbot-london on Wednesday 11th Sept 7pm.
From the announce, "next meeting 7pm, wednesday 11th september, the boxing club, limehouse town hall
entrance free
speakers
- Charles and Tien from http://tsunamii.net/ will talk about 'alpha 3.5', their server-crushing project. - Beatrice Gibson from http://nungu.com will talk about her telematic auntie, and other nungu projects - Duncan Whitley and Christian Nold will present 'Fuelair', a project to transmit audio from inside a petrol bomb.
- opendork. Got something interesting you're working on? Bring it, and show it to us.
location the boxing club, limehouse town hall, 646 commercial rd, london, e14 7ha tel: 020 79870655
by bus 15 from trafalgar sq 115 from aldgate d6 from hackney d3 from bethnal green
get onto commercial road and travel east from aldgate or whitechapel. keep going until you pass limehouse dlr on your right (you go under the dlr train bridge) and you'll see a modern red brick church also on the right, then a pair of esso stations on either side of the street, then the library with a statue of clement atlee in front of it, then you'll see the town hall, with the limehouse hawksmoor church behind it. at this point you should get off the bus/out of the car and come ring on the "boxing club" bell.
I'd a lot depends on the general "public vs. private" sector arguements in the country you're in, and how politicians, decision makers and the public generally respect these sectors.Depends what you're trying to get out of it as well - security? money?
I'd make a guess you'd be better off working in the public sector in a northern European country (scandinavian social democracy model) and the private sector in the USA (laissez faire free market policies). I guess the surrounding working condition issues offered by those countries affect both private and public sector workers. Not sure what I'd choose in former soviet countries, probably working for the mafia...:-(
Yeah glad you stuck in the emoticon, I think a lot of people do get a buzz out of the 'war' association, kind of macho big dick stuff. Me, I got mugged a week ago, kicked to the ground and kicked in the head multiple times by several teenagers trying to get my bike and wallet. Ouch, not nice. More to the point if this was not nice then the whole idea of war, people trying to shoot me with guns would probably be even less pleasant. So I think I'll skip the war=cool thing... (Sort of happy ending: a woman in a house across the road came out and shouted at the kids from her window, called the police and the kids ran off. I gave chase, well limped, and a biker dood gave me a lift and we caught up with the kids and got my bike back off them. Goes to prove there are good and bad people in the world).
You got to admit that people aren't doing themselves any favours by choosing a real positive expression like "wardriving"....
I can see this must win real friends when you are explaining to companies what you are doing outside their offices. Especially in countries where vigilante groups/gangsters like cruising round in their autos. Great PR, guys:-)
(Yeah yeah I know the origin of the term but I still think it sucks.. maybe try cruising round New York on 11th September and explain to a cop that you're war driving...)
Is this where we get to make the gag about baseball having a world series that is only for American teams? (I'd heard Cubans and Japanese are pretty good at baseball but they don't seem to take part)
Even cricket has more countries playing at the top level...
Fair comment Hedgehog, but this is the kind of USA politician which scares us in the rest of the world. We don't mind if they are your local mayors or town councillors and are in charge of the local park or keeping teenagers from becoming muggers but for goodness sake don't let them have any influence over international policy, which I believe would be one of this person's roles. So I do think it matters what her opinions on the rest of the world are.
Lazy thinking like this gets other people more directly affected rather twitchy, it really undermines any positive work other US politicians may be doing. We're all pretty shocked / bemused over here by Rumsfeld's comparison of Bush to Churchill. "Poorly read" and "lazy thinking" seems to be the general consensus.
We're just worried that such poorly educated people are in charge of the world's greatest military arsenal, what happens if they get a dumb idea in their heads?
...But it doesn't help matters that a lot of the groups who seek resolution through violence have received funding, training and arms from supporters in other countries. Libya and the USA to mention a couple for starters.
Aren't you a wee bit nervous of a politician who makes statements like "The history of the Middle East is the history of oil".?
I am really worried about a politican who thinks history = 90 years. This feels so close to the views of the European 19th Century powers that believed that African history started when they colonised the continent. Don't forget the earliest cities in the world (Ur, Akkad..) are in Iraq, the birthplace of our civilisation; there is 5000 years of history there. The foundation of the USA started there...
Hmm, just because somebody can use a weblog doesn't mean they are all right.
I agree the company is bad. I hate spam, full stop. But the figures being quoted are why US lawyers and this part of the US legal system are a laughing stock in other countries. You are honestly saying that a lawyer is going to try to sue a company for the GNP of half the countries on planet Earth because of fax junk?
Is it like this in all legal cases in the USA, say, if somebody bumped into my auto and damaged the fender, would my lawyer try to get me ten million dollars when quite clearly a couple of hundred bucks to cover the spare part and a mechanic for an hour would be just fine?
Istick by my disclaimer, our lawyers are probably equally mad, but they are just a bit more subtle, you know?:-))
Hehe, nobody can tell you're from Mars when you post on the internet, eh?
Nah, I haven't a scoobie when it comes to legal stuff either. But the common sense kicks in when these guys start quoting the sort of numbers kids shout at each other in the school playground. It's really daft isn't it, I mean, I know it's all a game (no real pun intended...maybe..) and there's some sort of legal diplomacy game going on, you shout a big number and you end up with a realistic number-- but it just seems so *infantile*! I am sure there are some really sound US lawyers doing great work, saving innocent kids from prison etc, but all we hear in the UK are people suing each other for a billion dollars, suing MacDonalds for a million dollars because they split hot coffee over themselves...
I am so glad I don't have to work in an environment with people like that...
aaarghhh... I don't know about you but me and my bro always came home from school really smashed up because we were pretending to be superman and jumped off a tree onto a concrete playground or summink. We cried, teacher told us we were daft, patched us up with a plaster or two, we went home, our mum told us we were daft, we knew we were stupid, we didn't sue the school for a trillion dollars or anything (then we went back to school the next day and did the same thing and smashed ourselves up again - damn, being a kid was so much *fun*!).
So glad you put up that email, truefluke. I was desperate to put up a sarcastic response but didn't want it to degenerate into Euros vs USians flaming.
Man, the US legal system is screwed if lawyers can go to court and make those sort of suggestions - what kind of sick drugs _do_ they feed trainee lawyers at college? I am so glad you are laughing as well...
That lawyer is bringing your whole legal system into disrepute, let's face it, declarations like this mean the rest of the world will completely disregard anything else your lawyers try to tell the world. Maybe they shouldn't let lawyers use calculators with more than 6-character displays.
Disclaimer: our lawyers are probably equally as mad, they just show it in more subtle ways...
this one [demon.co.uk] has a bunch of scans (pretzel_logic)
Wow, interesting, the image of astronauts burying their dead comrade on Mars. Pretty contoversial stuff, it must have caused a real storm when that picture got published. Anybody know anything about that picture? Give the man his due for realism. Can anybody imagine NASA producing a series of artistic impressions these days including a burial scene?
I suppose it follows in the great romantic tradition of the 'fallen hero' but respect to the man for telling the possible negative side of the story as well as the positive.
My comments re: the military were primarily aimed at the slashdot posters whose reactions were on the lines of 'cool, we could use this to build military exoskeletons like in Alien' and also the the poster who suggested arming soldiers with six of them on a backpack so soldiers could fight with many weapons at once. Yup, as a European who as you rightly points out has 'genocide in my back yard' I get very sensitive to responses which suggest war or weapons are cool.
I'm sorry, I just think it's really sad that there are people whose first reaction on seeing new tech is asking the question - I wonder how we could turn this into a weapon? I think it's desperate that we have to be grateful to the military for funding projects, that we have to have discussions on the lines of 'we spent a lot of money producing an improved killing machine and as a minor by-product something useful for people came along' - why not cut out the bit in the middle and just fund things which may be useful?
I still stick by my statement that it's generally sad that companies have to find a profit angle (e.g. 'help the disabled' -though that's no bad thing) to get research paid for, I wish our countries could be more forward thinking, and it looks like you agree with me on this point
Regarding the 'genocide happening in our back yard' here in Europe, yes, it is terrible, and I wish we could find a good way of stopping it. I get the feeling that it is more likely to happen through social integration rather than further arms funding, including by supporters from outside countries (support from the US for armed struggle in Northern Ireland could be mentioned here...), and covert encouragement by countries who may make political or financial gains.
Troll for the day - how come it's all the oil producing countries that people want to go to war with? How come we're not worried about the human rights abuses and terrorist activities by dictators in other less economically significant countries?
"well-documented history "? - examples?
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Are we talking about the same Times? I think my friend is referring to the London Times here.
Please give us some examples of the "well-documented history of sensationalizing " the Times indulges in.
Certainly the New York Times has a more glamourous, brash look to it, the last time I read it (last over in February).
I have to agree that the UK tabloid press are some of the most appalling rags in Europe, perhaps it is these you refer to?
The Guardian is mildly left of centre which would probably annoy most of the slashdot US readership from a political perspective, but hardlt a gutter rag, and The Times is one of the most establishment, conservative papers around.
Interesting to note that the article's angle is on an augmentation for disabled people, while their website doesn't have this as a prime focus. I guess they are well aware this angle is their best bet for funding.
Blue sky projects are just tough to fund, I suppose (though I would be interested to know how they've funded their research over the last 10 years on air muscles).
I guess the military are much more predominant in the USA, hence everybody's immediate reaction "they should ask the military for money, these things would help us kill more people and the army would fund that"...sigh... I remember my great disillusionment when I was told that MIT was funded to the hilt by the military...
Damn shame we can't find ways of funding more interesting experimental research, that we need short term benefits. These guys are excited by getting 75,000 pounds, for goodness sake, that's probably the cost of a day's drinking water on the Shuttle.
well I guess it doesn't come much more nerd-ish than this eh? Spending lots of money on plastic office toys... me, I am saving up for skydiving lessons:-))
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Your comment could apply to so many countries, remind us which one you are posting from? ;-)
Why did these people carry out this act?
We need to create a world where people don't believe the way to move forward is through acts of terror or oppression.
My thoughts are with those who have died through terror or oppression over the centuries. We must find a better way forward.
cheers semaj, guess I can work out which class I was sleeping through now...
So, where's mol for Mac OS X?
Help an uneducated brit here guys, what does "So, where's mol for Mac OS X? " mean? expression from across the pond or did I fall asleep in computer class again?... cheers ...
The guys who are doing this project are coming along to dorkbot-london on Wednesday 11th Sept 7pm.
From the announce,
"next meeting
7pm, wednesday 11th september, the boxing club, limehouse town hall
entrance
free
speakers
- Charles and Tien from http://tsunamii.net/ will talk about 'alpha 3.5',
their server-crushing project.
- Beatrice Gibson from http://nungu.com will talk about her telematic
auntie, and other nungu projects
- Duncan Whitley and Christian Nold will present 'Fuelair', a project
to transmit audio from inside a petrol bomb.
- opendork. Got something interesting you're working on? Bring it, and show
it to us.
location
the boxing club,
limehouse town hall,
646 commercial rd,
london, e14 7ha
tel: 020 79870655
travel
[ http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=53
by tube
limehouse dlr from bank or tower gateway
by bus
15 from trafalgar sq
115 from aldgate
d6 from hackney
d3 from bethnal green
get onto commercial road and travel east from aldgate or whitechapel. keep
going until you pass limehouse dlr on your right (you go under the dlr train
bridge) and you'll see a modern red brick church also on the right, then a
pair of esso stations on either side of the street, then the library with a
statue of clement atlee in front of it, then you'll see the town hall, with
the limehouse hawksmoor church behind it. at this point you should get off
the bus/out of the car and come ring on the "boxing club" bell.
I'd a lot depends on the general "public vs. private" sector arguements in the country you're in, and how politicians, decision makers and the public generally respect these sectors.Depends what you're trying to get out of it as well - security? money?
I'd make a guess you'd be better off working in the public sector in a northern European country (scandinavian social democracy model) and the private sector in the USA (laissez faire free market policies). I guess the surrounding working condition issues offered by those countries affect both private and public sector workers. Not sure what I'd choose in former soviet countries, probably working for the mafia... :-(
Yeah glad you stuck in the emoticon, I think a lot of people do get a buzz out of the 'war' association, kind of macho big dick stuff. Me, I got mugged a week ago, kicked to the ground and kicked in the head multiple times by several teenagers trying to get my bike and wallet. Ouch, not nice. More to the point if this was not nice then the whole idea of war, people trying to shoot me with guns would probably be even less pleasant. So I think I'll skip the war=cool thing... (Sort of happy ending: a woman in a house across the road came out and shouted at the kids from her window, called the police and the kids ran off. I gave chase, well limped, and a biker dood gave me a lift and we caught up with the kids and got my bike back off them. Goes to prove there are good and bad people in the world).
"wardriving is not a crime t-shirts...
You got to admit that people aren't doing themselves any favours by choosing a real positive expression like "wardriving"....
I can see this must win real friends when you are explaining to companies what you are doing outside their offices. Especially in countries where vigilante groups /gangsters like cruising round in their autos. Great PR, guys :-)
(Yeah yeah I know the origin of the term but I still think it sucks.. maybe try cruising round New York on 11th September and explain to a cop that you're war driving...)
I thought Canada was in North America... give me some names of the Cuban or Japanese teams who take part? ;-P
Is this where we get to make the gag about baseball having a world series that is only for American teams? (I'd heard Cubans and Japanese are pretty good at baseball but they don't seem to take part)
Even cricket has more countries playing at the top level...
Given recent Chinese history (and the content of several of the blocked sites dealing with human rights abuses) your gag is somewhat tasteless...
Fair comment Hedgehog, but this is the kind of USA politician which scares us in the rest of the world. We don't mind if they are your local mayors or town councillors and are in charge of the local park or keeping teenagers from becoming muggers but for goodness sake don't let them have any influence over international policy, which I believe would be one of this person's roles. So I do think it matters what her opinions on the rest of the world are.
Lazy thinking like this gets other people more directly affected rather twitchy, it really undermines any positive work other US politicians may be doing. We're all pretty shocked / bemused over here by Rumsfeld's comparison of Bush to Churchill. "Poorly read" and "lazy thinking" seems to be the general consensus.
We're just worried that such poorly educated people are in charge of the world's greatest military arsenal, what happens if they get a dumb idea in their heads?
...But it doesn't help matters that a lot of the groups who seek resolution through violence have received funding, training and arms from supporters in other countries. Libya and the USA to mention a couple for starters.
What's a vofe?
"...with great ideas and views"
Aren't you a wee bit nervous of a politician who makes statements like "The history of the Middle East is the history of oil".?
I am really worried about a politican who thinks history = 90 years. This feels so close to the views of the European 19th Century powers that believed that African history started when they colonised the continent. Don't forget the earliest cities in the world (Ur, Akkad..) are in Iraq, the birthplace of our civilisation; there is 5000 years of history there. The foundation of the USA started there...
Hmm, just because somebody can use a weblog doesn't mean they are all right.
I agree the company is bad. I hate spam, full stop. But the figures being quoted are why US lawyers and this part of the US legal system are a laughing stock in other countries. You are honestly saying that a lawyer is going to try to sue a company for the GNP of half the countries on planet Earth because of fax junk?
Is it like this in all legal cases in the USA, say, if somebody bumped into my auto and damaged the fender, would my lawyer try to get me ten million dollars when quite clearly a couple of hundred bucks to cover the spare part and a mechanic for an hour would be just fine?
Istick by my disclaimer, our lawyers are probably equally mad, but they are just a bit more subtle, you know? :-))
Hehe, nobody can tell you're from Mars when you post on the internet, eh?
Nah, I haven't a scoobie when it comes to legal stuff either. But the common sense kicks in when these guys start quoting the sort of numbers kids shout at each other in the school playground. It's really daft isn't it, I mean, I know it's all a game (no real pun intended...maybe..) and there's some sort of legal diplomacy game going on, you shout a big number and you end up with a realistic number-- but it just seems so *infantile*! I am sure there are some really sound US lawyers doing great work, saving innocent kids from prison etc, but all we hear in the UK are people suing each other for a billion dollars, suing MacDonalds for a million dollars because they split hot coffee over themselves...
I am so glad I don't have to work in an environment with people like that...
aaarghhh... I don't know about you but me and my bro always came home from school really smashed up because we were pretending to be superman and jumped off a tree onto a concrete playground or summink. We cried, teacher told us we were daft, patched us up with a plaster or two, we went home, our mum told us we were daft, we knew we were stupid, we didn't sue the school for a trillion dollars or anything (then we went back to school the next day and did the same thing and smashed ourselves up again - damn, being a kid was so much *fun*!).
So glad you put up that email, truefluke. I was desperate to put up a sarcastic response but didn't want it to degenerate into Euros vs USians flaming.
Man, the US legal system is screwed if lawyers can go to court and make those sort of suggestions - what kind of sick drugs _do_ they feed trainee lawyers at college? I am so glad you are laughing as well...
That lawyer is bringing your whole legal system into disrepute, let's face it, declarations like this mean the rest of the world will completely disregard anything else your lawyers try to tell the world. Maybe they shouldn't let lawyers use calculators with more than 6-character displays.
Disclaimer: our lawyers are probably equally as mad, they just show it in more subtle ways...
this one [demon.co.uk] has a bunch of scans (pretzel_logic)
Wow, interesting, the image of astronauts burying their dead comrade on Mars. Pretty contoversial stuff, it must have caused a real storm when that picture got published. Anybody know anything about that picture? Give the man his due for realism. Can anybody imagine NASA producing a series of artistic impressions these days including a burial scene?
I suppose it follows in the great romantic tradition of the 'fallen hero' but respect to the man for telling the possible negative side of the story as well as the positive.
My comments re: the military were primarily aimed at the slashdot posters whose reactions were on the lines of 'cool, we could use this to build military exoskeletons like in Alien' and also the the poster who suggested arming soldiers with six of them on a backpack so soldiers could fight with many weapons at once. Yup, as a European who as you rightly points out has 'genocide in my back yard' I get very sensitive to responses which suggest war or weapons are cool.
I'm sorry, I just think it's really sad that there are people whose first reaction on seeing new tech is asking the question - I wonder how we could turn this into a weapon? I think it's desperate that we have to be grateful to the military for funding projects, that we have to have discussions on the lines of 'we spent a lot of money producing an improved killing machine and as a minor by-product something useful for people came along' - why not cut out the bit in the middle and just fund things which may be useful?
I still stick by my statement that it's generally sad that companies have to find a profit angle (e.g. 'help the disabled' -though that's no bad thing) to get research paid for, I wish our countries could be more forward thinking, and it looks like you agree with me on this pointRegarding the 'genocide happening in our back yard' here in Europe, yes, it is terrible, and I wish we could find a good way of stopping it. I get the feeling that it is more likely to happen through social integration rather than further arms funding, including by supporters from outside countries (support from the US for armed struggle in Northern Ireland could be mentioned here...), and covert encouragement by countries who may make political or financial gains.
Troll for the day - how come it's all the oil producing countries that people want to go to war with? How come we're not worried about the human rights abuses and terrorist activities by dictators in other less economically significant countries?
Are we talking about the same Times? I think my friend is referring to the London Times here.
Please give us some examples of the "well-documented history of sensationalizing " the Times indulges in.
Certainly the New York Times has a more glamourous, brash look to it, the last time I read it (last over in February).
I have to agree that the UK tabloid press are some of the most appalling rags in Europe, perhaps it is these you refer to?
The Guardian is mildly left of centre which would probably annoy most of the slashdot US readership from a political perspective, but hardlt a gutter rag, and The Times is one of the most establishment, conservative papers around.
Looking forward to hearing your examples...
Interesting to note that the article's angle is on an augmentation for disabled people, while their website doesn't have this as a prime focus. I guess they are well aware this angle is their best bet for funding.
Blue sky projects are just tough to fund, I suppose (though I would be interested to know how they've funded their research over the last 10 years on air muscles).
I guess the military are much more predominant in the USA, hence everybody's immediate reaction "they should ask the military for money, these things would help us kill more people and the army would fund that" ...sigh... I remember my great disillusionment when I was told that MIT was funded to the hilt by the military...
Damn shame we can't find ways of funding more interesting experimental research, that we need short term benefits. These guys are excited by getting 75,000 pounds, for goodness sake, that's probably the cost of a day's drinking water on the Shuttle.
Hmm, maybe read the BBC article.... your point is covered already...
Yeah but bloody good to hear an opinion from somebody who actually knows about the subject, you got to admit. More signal less noise!
(err... guess I am in the latter category, but good posting Karl!)
well I guess it doesn't come much more nerd-ish than this eh? Spending lots of money on plastic office toys... me, I am saving up for skydiving lessons :-))