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It's Not a Police Box, It's a Tardis
xA40D writes "The BBC is reporting that they've won the battle with the Metropolitan Police over the trademark police box, more commonly known as a Tardis: 'arbitrator Shaun Sherlock remarked that even if the police had built up any reputation, it would have only been in the area of policing and law enforcement and would not have extended into the goods and services which the BBC had applied to use it for.'"
All caps, right? Time And Relative Dimensions in Space, yeah? OK. As you were.
You mean the BBC are planning to use the policebox for timetravel tips?
The timelords would not be happy about that.
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By jove, I think Sherlock has got it
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(The Master's tardis default appearance)
... that my room was a tardis. not so much for interstellar travel and everything that the good doctor used to do (although that would be cool), but just so I can fit all my shit in there easily.
dont know how much my cat would like K-9 though...
I peed in one of those Tardis boxes when I went to the UK, as I seriously thought it was a public urinal (I was very drunk) :D
But anyways, it's not like the police were going to win against the BBC's high-priced lawyers -- and now that this lawsuit's over, the police (read: taxpayers) also have to pay the BBC's mega legal fees, too, even if the rest of it is just 850 pounds.
If I were a UK taxpayer, I'd be quite angry at them for it.
You'd think the coppers would have something better to do than having trade mark wrangles with the BBC over something they stopped using nearly 50 years ago. Sounds a bit opportunistic - were they trying to raise some cash for the police social club?
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So Star Trek is geeky, but Dr Who isn't?
Get thee to a video store, and hire a few volumes for the weekend.
Personally I hate Star Trek and all the spin-offs, but Dr Who was hella cool...
WTF? Hey, I totally support police finding "alternative" methods of funding (as opposed to milking the taxpayers, or confiscating anything they lay their eyes on thanks to the WO(s)D, ala a witchfinder general), but really...
With all that we have going on in the world, these folks have nothing better to do than bicker over who owns a damned box? Oh, sorry, the *IMAGE* of the box. My bad. That makes it so much more serious.
Can't, I spent all my money on the dvd release of the Star Trek TNG series.
If he were just a bit more clever, there never would have been a dispute. Nobody would have ever known there was a such thing as a "TARDIS" if the Doctor wasn't materializing and dematerializing all over London in broad daylight like that.
If these walls could talk they'd probly still ignore me. --MF DOOM
Perhaps this will allow a reincarnation of the earlier Dr. Who TV series in a new form, or perhaps even a new movie. I remember watching these when I was young, very cool stuff despite its age.
:-)
But the Metropolitan Police lost its appeal and has been ordered to pay £850, plus legal costs.
The case has been rumbling on since 1996, when the Patent Office originally accepted the Tardis as a BBC trade mark.
Anyone besides me think that the £850 isn't going to amount to much in comparison to the legal charges. Having to pay legal charges for 7 years worth of case-wrangling is probably a big ouch on the police bankbook. The Metropolitan Police will probably have a shortage of donuts in the office for quite awhile.
Any else anticipate an article that states Metropolitan Police are reducing the tolerance for speeding limit to 1% and then upping the cost of a tickets, they'll have to recover this money somehow.
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Another question is... which Dr. Who?
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"So that's why the police don't have the time to catch criminals any longer."
"If you want to know the time, don't ask a policeman."
(Yes, officer, I was just leaving anyway.)
They're both government departments - can't they be happy that it belongs to the government no matter what? Ahh the wonders of bureaucracy!
Damn bitches! err... lawyers.
What the hell did K-9 actually do anyway? Yes, he was the doc's trusty friend, but he just buzzed and wheeled around the TARDIS all day doing sod all.
Shees, I mean the thing never even trundled his way off to the door wagging his antenna when the Doc returned home. Not much of an 'old faithful was he?
Come to think of it, I think the Doc didn't really like him either - you never saw him stroking the box-o-bolts or say hello to it.
Maybe he was supposed to have been a guard dog for the TARDIS, since there were'nt any locks on the front door, and that thing oftern found it way into pretty hostile territory. If so, he could have developed a more fierce attitutude. What would he have done if an intruder got in? Pee'd oil on him?
'arbitrator Shaun Sherlock remarked that even if the police had built up any reputation, it would have only been in the area of policing and law enforcement and would not have extended into the goods and services which the BBC had applied to use it for.'
In response to which the BBC commented, "No shit, Sherlock."
You should be bitchslapped back to Skaro...
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...the metropolitan police are running out of places to hide the bodies and simply need to figure out the "dimensionally transcendental" nature of the TARDIS in order to have more room.
In light of this, I wonder why the people with the patent on the tire-pressure-checker have never gone after the BBC for infringing on their design for the sonic screwdriver!
The real culprit here is the broken Chameleon Circuit. It was under warranty, but alas - the last time he was near an authorized OEM service station, the good Doctor had to leave Gallifrey in haste before someone tried to go and make him Lord President again...
And remember - the REAL Matrix doesn't involve a kid whose only line is "there is no spoon."
Dr. Who rocks. Only he could go back to the beginning of time and jettison 1/3 of the TARDIS (which is asserted in many previous episodes to be infinite) to escape from the gravitational pull that would become the Big Bang. Silly Zero Room.
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If the BBC, you can buy T-shirts, memorabilia, copies of shows, etc.
If the police, I've never been in the UK, and from what's been posted it would seem I couldn't expect to see such a blue police box on the streets. Even though it might have been a trademark at some point, it lost that status because it's status as a trademark was not maintained and protected.
Had they continually protected and maintained the blue police box as a unique feature or trademark, they might have had legal ground. For example, the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) dress uniform is a very distinctive trademark and is appropriately protected. The protection isn't so much to make money for the RCMP as it is to protect the historical importance of that image and theoretically to ensure that it isn't abused for profit by a person or business that didn't build that reputation.
As to "Damn cops", everyone has the right to their own prejudice. I've never had any problems with the police -- give respect and you get it back. Most of them are just regular people who spend an awful lot of time dealing with whackos, drunks, crazies, domestic arguments, and a lot of other situations where they have no assurance it's not going to blow up in their face. Give them attitude and they have to assume you're a problem and will react accordingly. Don't get me wrong -- there are a few gung-ho gung-ho jarheads and corrupt/prejudiced idiots with badges. They just aren't the norm.
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A trade mark on Mr. Bean? :)
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In a meaningful way, they may have just made it possible for people to use any non-commercial trademark in a way that doesn't infringe on the original use.
;-)
I don't think this is anything particularly new. The Beatles' Apple record company used to use a picture of a real apple on the labels, which I assume they considered to be a trademark.
I don't think the farmer tried to sue them for it.
It's about time that I rushed out and claimed patents over bus stops, lamp posts and mail boxes, before public transportation, town hall or Post office do.
Frankly, trade mark on street furniture!!!! This is really getting out of hand!!!
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So the bbc wins the title "tardis". I think the police should still be able to use it though.
Eh? If it was taken out of service, how did I manage to get a photo taken of me next to one? For the excessively keen, this TARDIS is outside Earls Court Underground Station, in London, England.
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It seems I'm the only person here to actually not know what the original purpose of the police box was.
I mean, before 1960 when they were taken out of service, what were they used for ?
Did they have a telephone inside which connected you to the police ?
Or was it somewhere to hide when you were being chased by hooligans ?
Awright, now they have the budget to bring back Dr. Who for another season! More tinfoil and oatmeal skinned aliens than ever before!
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This looks like a good introduction to the history of the British Police Box...
"The TARDIS style boxes were the most expensive and the cost for building a box in 1931 was 55pounds 16 shillings and 7pence, with another 3 pounds for number plate, coat hook, lino , stool, a fire extinguisher and bracket, as well as a brush and duster to keep the mini police station tidy!"
Happy reading. Me, I'm 36 and grew up in England. Never saw a 'real' police box til I was a teenager. Vaguely knew that Dr. Who was travelling round in something that old-fashioned policemen used to use when my dad was a boy (or the Age of the Dinosaurs or similar) but never saw one until I was wandering round London as a teenager and found a few grubby disused and flyposted ones. Luckily these days councils have cottoned on to the fact that they are actually design classics, charming and tourists love them (as well as us who grew up as kids watching the Doctor take on tin foil and vacuum cleaner-part aliens), and they've been restoring a few rather than flattening them all.
Incidently, "This Planet Earth" used to make a full size replica TARDIS that you could purchase online. It came in a wood version and later a fibreglass version - but it has since been discontinued (only recently too). But you can still buy replica Daleks, Cybermen, K9's etc. Very high quality, i.e. as good if not better than the TV originals. In fact the Daleks have been used for Doctor Who promo gigs I believe. Check them out at http://www.thisplanetearth.co.uk It looks like they are thinking of releasing the 1996 movie version of the TARDIS soon..
Frome Reclamation http://www.fromerec.co.uk near Bath, England had one for sale last time I was there. Sorry don't know the price.
Aslo sorry can't guarantee time travel bit still works - or phone bit for that matter. In fact it's just an old red phone box.
Current usage in the BBC Dr Who Site and novels is all caps ...
There's at least one in Glasgow, possibly two, and I think there's a couple in Edinburgh...
However, the BBC has spun off a number of private companies to perform commercial work which falls outside the core BBC remit (and is therefore not allowed to be paid for with the license fee). BBC Enterprises handles things like merchandising and BBC Worldwide handles video/DVD releases, for example.
At least then, I'd stop making fun of the British for Blur and EMF...
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Esp as the police box wasn't originally made for the London Metropolitan Police Force, the first police boxes were installed in Edinburgh. Several are now listed buildings.
Recently a few have become police intranet terminals for public information use, (using Microsofts Agent for IE).
Around five others are now painted maroon and are privately owned coffee booths.
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This is how the BBC got the TARDIS idea:
Director: We'r doing a space time travel "Star Trek" type thing. We need a flash spaceship, with lots of flashing lights lights and things.
Props man: This is the BBC, be realistic.
Director: OK, well we need a cheap model spaceship with thin wires that we can blue-screen with and do some cheesy fly-by shots.
Props man: This is the BBC, be realistic.
Director: Well we need something, what have you got?
Props man: I've got this old phone box from "Dixon of Dock Green", needs a lick of paint but...
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Dr. Who had better looking women ;-)
But only ONCE was he referred to by the name "Doctor who" in dialog (The War Games). Oh, and the 2nd Doctor signs a note "Doctor von Wer" in one episode.
(Remind where "Theta Sigma" comes into all this... I forget...
Am I sad or what?
Victoria, Zoe, Sarah Jane Smith, Romana II, Peri: yes. Jo Grant, Ace: The jury is still out Mel: NOOO!
gee, that's scary stuff
The BBC could practically make three Dr. Who episodes off that settlement amount!
Let's see... rent a rock quarry for the day, drag out the old Dalek suits, Voila! Dr. Who episode!
-jason <-- still loves Dr.Who
and my trashcan looks like a dalek EXTERMINATE. I hate when people just reach for straws in hopes of a successful lawsuit.
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As in Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian columns.
I wonder what the Master was doing in Greece? Hmm.
If only the BBC had got the Chameleon circuit of the TARDIS working. They would have saved themselves all this trouble!
It's definitely gone. Dematerialised or whatever. That photo was taken in January...
Mind you, that's absolutely a broken chameleon circuit. Who'd expect to see a call-box like that in London? Even a red phone-booth would be a rare sighting.....
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If you want to change the time.......
OT as hell, but interesting nontheless.
That's a lot of nerve.
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I am a Doctor Who expert (lots of misspent (sorta) hours of my youth, up until I discovered my first compiler), and the TARDIS can be unlocked by pretty much anyone with the key.
In one of the sillier episodes, we learn (because the screenwriters had just invented this fact) that inserting the key into the lock turns off lots of protecting and stabilizing mechanisms, on the assumption that the door will be opened half a second later. So a companion (not the Doctor) puts the key in, starts to the open the door, but gets distracted and walks away leaving the key in the lock. So the TARDIS starts drifting around on its own.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
So? I do that all the time in my car.
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When I was a lad kids used to hide behind the sofa when Dr Who came on TV.
Nowdays kids hide behind the sofa when the police come to the door.
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When I lived in London, they put up a brand new police box in Earls Court around 1997. Looks exactly like the Tardis, with a weird CCTV turret on top. And a vandal proof phone inside for calling the police.
I'm from the UK living in the US and for my American friends straining their eyes at their monitors, I have to point out that yes, there really is no missing M or six zeros after that number.
We English figured out a long time ago that the fun is in wearing wigs while you make the judgment, not in ordering large amounts of money to be moved around.
Anyone noticed how ahead of it's time Dr. Who was?
:
Examples
Stealth Technology : Chameleon Circuits (ok, so they never worked, but you can't fly a B-2 through a rain shower either).
Non-lethal Weapons : Sonic Screwdriver
Recent 'Anit-Gravity' research : The TARDIS' ability to move by manipulating time and space
Sony's Aibo : K-9 (granted, K-9 could kick Aibo's ass)
And is it just me or is Jeff Goldblum always seem like he's trying to channel Tom Baker?
Anyone care for a jelly-baby?
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Er... no, the Met stopped using the police boxes a long time ago (1960s), then the BBC started selling T-shirts with the TARDIS on them (1970s), the Met did nothing, but then when the BBC got the trademark on it on the grounds that they still used the image, and the Met had long ceased to do so (1990s), the Met tried to claim that they should have the trademark on it. By the time the BBC tried to get the trademark, the actual boxes were referred to regularly as 'TARDIS type'.
Not necessarily.
They can take the tried and true path of a cop-out.
Remember that there was pair Peter Cushing films that aren't, strictly, part of the canon.
If they simply choose to ignore the McGann film, they still have a whole regeneration.
Even though they DID use Sylvester McCoy there for the regeneration.
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The thing that really gets me is not who gets the trademark, but that fact that one branch of government (the police) had to use another branch of government (the courts) to try to force a third branch of government (the BBC) to give up a trademark which the first branch of government (the police) really had no need for. This is like me suing my wife over who gets to use the BRA I bought her. For gods sake don't they all answer to the same person eventually. Just ask that person what they should do. And a fine of 850 pounds???? So the government is going to fine one branch of government because of a lawsuit they brought against another branch of government. Who is going to pay the fine, the government??? What the hell is the point of that?
On the up side, it's good to know that my own government isn't the only government which does stupid wasteful things with my tax dollars.
I am just worried that whoever is reviewing the stories is showing a childish/313313 attitude.
You're worried that they are showing an "eleele" attitude? WTF is that??You're telling me that that tiny town in Hawaii has its own globally recognized attitude? Geez, I must be out of the loop...
They should try suing Bill & Ted and George Carlin for the infringing time-travelling phone booth they used in their excellent adventure... They definitely stole the idea...
Well, most new technology only has shitty implementations at first. I don't think the first cell phones, notebooks (PC Portable?) etc were really practical. It's still a good idea and fun to play with :-)
Anyway, the quality of stereo or the quality of my story still doesn't explain the disappearing mod points. A good editor will only react to a bad story by not publishing it.
but Dr Who was hella cool...
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