Don't SAM crews get trained for this kind of an eventuality? You'd think they'd get suckered into shooting down an airliner during a few of their simulator sessions in military school just to make double and triple sure the identification procedure for civilian aircraft sticks in their minds like the aftermath of a good hard kick in the nuts.
And these days they do. It's one of those "lessons learned" things.
I, along with a bunch of other guys, once got sucked into lighting up an entire household of civilians in training. It really, really sucked. But the reason those scenarios existed is because some poor bastards lit up civilian households for real, and we got to learn from their mistakes.
Pravda is a small outlet now, very irrelevant for propaganda.
Very true. rt.com is the propaganda outlet of choice these days, as far as external puppets are concerned. Internally... well, all of them publish whatever they think Putin wants them to publish.
But who is suggesting that? Sounds to me like a subtle strawman. The distinction between a robot landing on Titan and a robot which contains a human is arbitrary.
You complain about strawmen, then string together a strawman of your own. Nobody is suggesting that humans need to travel to Titan.
"mark-t" was absolutely right. Your statement was absurd, and my parody illustrated it's absurdity. Our unsuitability to space is entirely irrelevant. You're right in pointing out that there are many aspects of space exploration which are best done by machines; you're completely wrong when you take that idea and present it as an absolute for why no human should ever go into space.
The fact that mark had to explain my comment to you is... rather embarrassing, but not unexpected.
To suggest that we, ill adapted to flight as we are, ought to go physically into the sky instead of sending a machine is absurd - like saying that a field is only plowed if dug by hand, or the only correct calculation is done without the aid of a computer, calculator or abacus.
It doesn't require an international enforcement mechanism.
Yeah, it kinda does.
The enforcement is to come from within
Oh that's rich. Like, instead of having a legal system, let's just tell all the gangs how we want them to behave, and let them enforce our desire on their own.
Funnily enough, that's one of the US's objections to ratifying - they want to continue to kill minors for certain crimes.
This is, of course, simply a lie. The US stopped executing minors years ago. They've also gone a step beyond, and abolished life-sentences for minors.
The reason the US hasn't bothered to ratify it is because:
a) The ratification process is kind of a pain in the ass; and b) It wouldn't change anything, so there's no point. It's a purely symbolic gesture.
But by all means, keep pretending that Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama both refused to ratify it because they want to keep executing children. I'm sure all the Democrats will love that explanation:)
The founders of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had, at the time, just faced down a global fascist hegemony, which made those rights seem just and proper and self-evident for great peace and wellbeing.
Now those founding states are becoming a global fascists hegemony... they're not so keen on them.
The founders of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had, at the time, just finished carpet-bombing large parts of Europe and Asia, and imprisoning their own citizens for the crime of having the wrong ethnic background.
It's not that the countries "aren't keen" on the declaration - it's that the modern interpretation isn't exactly what the drafters had in mind. Kinda how the founders of the US were able to speak about inalienable rights while simultaneously being OK with slavery.
No, it just means that your country has more in common with countries like Iran or Soviet era Russia than you'd like to admit.
All I see is another difference: the UN criticizes the US while completely ignoring far, far worse abuse in Iran and Soviet era Russia.
Did you know that the US is one of only 3 countries that haven't ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? The other two are Somalia and South Sudan.
Oh no. You're telling me that the US hasn't ratified a worthless piece of paper which contains no actual enforcement mechanisms and would make zero difference to any US policies? That's horrible. Next you'll be telling me that nations which have ratified it don't actually do a damn thing to abide by it! Say it aint so!
I.e., do you use it on your work machine [if you use Linux at work]?
I work for the government, which unfortunately means no linux on the workstations:(
I use BTRFS at home for my primary computer. On my home server I use a combination of BTRFS and ZFS, primarily because BTRFS doesn't have stable support for RAID5/6 yet (and because I've been using ZFS for 5 years now and it would be difficult to switch without first buying 10 new hard drives).
I also have a few BTRFS USB-sticks which I use for freelance work (and occasionally troubleshooting at work, when nobody is looking). They're 16 or 32 gb each, with multiple OS's installed on them (eg. a couple basic Ubuntu-based distros, plus Kali, Caine, etc.). Thanks to dedup I can fit 5-6 different large distros on a 16 gig stick and still have 6-ish gigs left over.
All that said, I've yet to run into any problems with the current versions of BTRFS. All of the various setups I just described have been running without a hitch.
Was your race-condition due to running out of disk space? I remember a problem like that from a while back... you couldn't delete any files to free up more space because the deletion needed to write to disk and couldn't. As far as I know that was fixed ages ago. I actually tried to replicate it recently, but couldn't.
From what I've heard btrfs is the bomb!! I'd love to try it.. but theres only so many hours in the day...
Yeah, took me a while to get around to trying it also. I'm very glad I did. Deduplication and snapshots are awesome features to have.
. Not gonna try to migrate ext4 over (if its even possible).. THAT really would be "working without a net", I'd guess..
Actually you can do an in-place conversion from ext4 to btrfs as long as the volume is unmonted (ie. boot off a CD or USB). It's pretty much instantaneous, and even provides you with a means to roll-back to ext4 if you're unhappy. You may have to update some boot files after though... can't remember if I had to or not.
Of course any filesystem conversion is inherently risky, but I've yet to see an ext4 to btrfs conversion go wrong. Still, it would obviously be safer to start fresh or at least have a current backup.
Thor does not become a female (and neither does Obama). The only thing that changed is who the comic book "Thor" focuses on (its now a different mortal who has Thor's hammer than it was in the past).
You mean it's as if Michelle put on a suit, cut her hair, and started calling herself "Barak Obama"?
I dunno, I'm thinking people might have an issue with that, too...
People should be marching in the street, demanding the value stolen from them be returned, not championing the result of the thieving.
By "people" I assume you mean 80 year old grandmothers who have spent their entire lives storing all of their money as cash under a mattress? If so, I suspect the reason they're not marching is because it would require walking. And, if not, I'm curious as to who, exactly, you think has had their money "stolen" via inflation.
Atrocity in a country that is otherwise supposedly "enlightened" stands out more, doesn't it? And make no mistake: the current government of Israel is perpetrating an atrocity right this minute.
Oh yeah. You're right; I completely forgot that only civilized countries can perpetrate those kinds of atrocities. I mean who cares that a backwards-ass country like Palestine wants to completely exterminate the Israelis - what matters is that Israel are refusing to be exterminated! That's the real atrocity, and I'm sure your version of history will not look kindly upon it.
Having been in research for 15+ years, everyone knows that it's one big collusion of people promoting each other and excluding the rest. *Everyone* knows this. If a researcher pretends not to understand this or dismisses it then he's bullshitting you.
Totally. That's why that Einstein guy never got to publish. Goddamn Newtonians had it out for him, and I don't have to tell you the kind of grip they have on the community!
Yes. It is depressing. Oh, and while I was actively publishing I was in the 1%...
Oh, wow, me too! I mostly wrote about Heisenberg flux matrix compensators. Weren't you the guy who kept publishing about the time cube?
Their not allowed to repair the buildings as concrete is on the list of goods that Israel prevents from being imported:
Seriously? Let's think about this:
He says if Hamas stops with the rockets, they can use the money to make repairs to buildings. You say "but they can't fix stuff because they can't get concrete". Israel says they can't import concrete because they keep launching rockets.
Hrm. I don't know about you, but I think I see a solution somewhere in there.
You should remember that Israel (which have one of the best armies in the world) is fighting against a ethnical group without army. If anyone else in the world did that, We could call it a massacre, a butchery or even a genocide.
Maybe in your special little universe. Here in the real world, Israel isn't fighting against "a ethnical group", it's fighting against a bunch of primitive fanatics who insist on constantly trying to kill Israeli citizens.
If Israel actually wanted to carry out a genocide Palestine would be devoid of life in a week; instead the Palestinian population continues to grow at a rate far higher than the population of Israel.
It's about breaking them away from the authority of their parents, selling them the opiate of "equality" and making them serve the will and authority of the modern state.
Totally. Because that's way more effective than keeping them ignorant, beating them over the head with a bible, and making them work in the fields and factories until they drop while being supervised and subjugated by an elite class chosen from the "nobility".
I'm sure the data is used for various nefarious purposes
No doubt planned by a guy with a cat in his lap, who likes to say "eeexcellent" a lot.
That's a bit farfetched, but everything the NSA was confirmed to be doing was also farfetched before Snowden leaked those documents.
There was nothing far-fetched about the idea that the government was dong metadata analysis, or working with large corporations to access their data. Both of those things were pretty much an open "secret" well before Snowden leaked anything; he merely provided greater detail about the extent of those operations, and brought that information into the public consciousness.
Besides which, if your thought process goes along the lines of "these far-fetched things have happened, therefore all these other far-fetched things are probably true".... you are not a rational person. People who think that way end up believing every goddamn conspiracy theory under the sun.
If you dare to not follow the herd, think for yourself, make up your mind by yourself without the aid of government "guided" media, of course you must be an extremist.
It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.
Oh, irony.
See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist". But self-styled "free-thinkers" such as yourself always seem to tend toward these extreme, paranoid views that barely resemble the actual situation. It's almost as if you tended towards extremism or something.
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Don't SAM crews get trained for this kind of an eventuality? You'd think they'd get suckered into shooting down an airliner during a few of their simulator sessions in military school just to make double and triple sure the identification procedure for civilian aircraft sticks in their minds like the aftermath of a good hard kick in the nuts.
And these days they do. It's one of those "lessons learned" things.
I, along with a bunch of other guys, once got sucked into lighting up an entire household of civilians in training. It really, really sucked. But the reason those scenarios existed is because some poor bastards lit up civilian households for real, and we got to learn from their mistakes.
ugh, I know I'm going to suffer for this unpopular comment
I feel your pain, bro. Comments that criticize the US government and offer justifications for terrorist attacks always get SO badly down-voted.
Pravda is a small outlet now, very irrelevant for propaganda.
Very true. rt.com is the propaganda outlet of choice these days, as far as external puppets are concerned. Internally ... well, all of them publish whatever they think Putin wants them to publish.
But who is suggesting that? Sounds to me like a subtle strawman. The distinction between a robot landing on Titan and a robot which contains a human is arbitrary.
You complain about strawmen, then string together a strawman of your own. Nobody is suggesting that humans need to travel to Titan.
"mark-t" was absolutely right. Your statement was absurd, and my parody illustrated it's absurdity. Our unsuitability to space is entirely irrelevant. You're right in pointing out that there are many aspects of space exploration which are best done by machines; you're completely wrong when you take that idea and present it as an absolute for why no human should ever go into space.
The fact that mark had to explain my comment to you is ... rather embarrassing, but not unexpected.
To suggest that we, ill adapted to flight as we are, ought to go physically into the sky instead of sending a machine is absurd - like saying that a field is only plowed if dug by hand, or the only correct calculation is done without the aid of a computer, calculator or abacus.
It doesn't require an international enforcement mechanism.
Yeah, it kinda does.
The enforcement is to come from within
Oh that's rich. Like, instead of having a legal system, let's just tell all the gangs how we want them to behave, and let them enforce our desire on their own.
Funnily enough, that's one of the US's objections to ratifying - they want to continue to kill minors for certain crimes.
This is, of course, simply a lie. The US stopped executing minors years ago. They've also gone a step beyond, and abolished life-sentences for minors.
The reason the US hasn't bothered to ratify it is because:
a) The ratification process is kind of a pain in the ass; and
b) It wouldn't change anything, so there's no point. It's a purely symbolic gesture.
But by all means, keep pretending that Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama both refused to ratify it because they want to keep executing children. I'm sure all the Democrats will love that explanation :)
Both KAL 007 and KAL 902 were off course.
Good point. I keep forgetting that getting lost is a capital offence.
The founders of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had, at the time, just faced down a global fascist hegemony, which made those rights seem just and proper and self-evident for great peace and wellbeing.
Now those founding states are becoming a global fascists hegemony ... they're not so keen on them.
The founders of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights had, at the time, just finished carpet-bombing large parts of Europe and Asia, and imprisoning their own citizens for the crime of having the wrong ethnic background.
It's not that the countries "aren't keen" on the declaration - it's that the modern interpretation isn't exactly what the drafters had in mind. Kinda how the founders of the US were able to speak about inalienable rights while simultaneously being OK with slavery.
No, it just means that your country has more in common with countries like Iran or Soviet era Russia than you'd like to admit.
All I see is another difference: the UN criticizes the US while completely ignoring far, far worse abuse in Iran and Soviet era Russia.
Did you know that the US is one of only 3 countries that haven't ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child? The other two are Somalia and South Sudan.
Oh no. You're telling me that the US hasn't ratified a worthless piece of paper which contains no actual enforcement mechanisms and would make zero difference to any US policies? That's horrible. Next you'll be telling me that nations which have ratified it don't actually do a damn thing to abide by it! Say it aint so!
I.e., do you use it on your work machine [if you use Linux at work]?
I work for the government, which unfortunately means no linux on the workstations :(
I use BTRFS at home for my primary computer. On my home server I use a combination of BTRFS and ZFS, primarily because BTRFS doesn't have stable support for RAID5/6 yet (and because I've been using ZFS for 5 years now and it would be difficult to switch without first buying 10 new hard drives).
I also have a few BTRFS USB-sticks which I use for freelance work (and occasionally troubleshooting at work, when nobody is looking). They're 16 or 32 gb each, with multiple OS's installed on them (eg. a couple basic Ubuntu-based distros, plus Kali, Caine, etc.). Thanks to dedup I can fit 5-6 different large distros on a 16 gig stick and still have 6-ish gigs left over.
All that said, I've yet to run into any problems with the current versions of BTRFS. All of the various setups I just described have been running without a hitch.
Was your race-condition due to running out of disk space? I remember a problem like that from a while back ... you couldn't delete any files to free up more space because the deletion needed to write to disk and couldn't. As far as I know that was fixed ages ago. I actually tried to replicate it recently, but couldn't.
From what I've heard btrfs is the bomb!! I'd love to try it.. but theres only so many hours in the day...
Yeah, took me a while to get around to trying it also. I'm very glad I did. Deduplication and snapshots are awesome features to have.
. Not gonna try to migrate ext4 over (if its even possible).. THAT really would be "working without a net", I'd guess..
Actually you can do an in-place conversion from ext4 to btrfs as long as the volume is unmonted (ie. boot off a CD or USB). It's pretty much instantaneous, and even provides you with a means to roll-back to ext4 if you're unhappy. You may have to update some boot files after though ... can't remember if I had to or not.
Of course any filesystem conversion is inherently risky, but I've yet to see an ext4 to btrfs conversion go wrong. Still, it would obviously be safer to start fresh or at least have a current backup.
Would like to try Plasma 5 on my Debian Jessy laptop... but sure don't want to hoze up the current Plasma 4 install....
BTRFS snapshot. Install. Try out. If you don't like it, copy BTRFS snapshot back to active.
And if you're not using BTRFS ... why not?
Thor does not become a female (and neither does Obama). The only thing that changed is who the comic book "Thor" focuses on (its now a different mortal who has Thor's hammer than it was in the past).
You mean it's as if Michelle put on a suit, cut her hair, and started calling herself "Barak Obama"?
I dunno, I'm thinking people might have an issue with that, too ...
People should be marching in the street, demanding the value stolen from them be returned, not championing the result of the thieving.
By "people" I assume you mean 80 year old grandmothers who have spent their entire lives storing all of their money as cash under a mattress? If so, I suspect the reason they're not marching is because it would require walking. And, if not, I'm curious as to who, exactly, you think has had their money "stolen" via inflation.
Atrocity in a country that is otherwise supposedly "enlightened" stands out more, doesn't it? And make no mistake: the current government of Israel is perpetrating an atrocity right this minute.
Oh yeah. You're right; I completely forgot that only civilized countries can perpetrate those kinds of atrocities. I mean who cares that a backwards-ass country like Palestine wants to completely exterminate the Israelis - what matters is that Israel are refusing to be exterminated! That's the real atrocity, and I'm sure your version of history will not look kindly upon it.
Even during the last ceasefire the blockade was still in effect so it is not as simple as you suggest.
You mean the ceasefire where Hamas stopped attacking for like a day?
Well, you know, it takes more than 24 hours for the memo to be drafted and sent out.
Having been in research for 15+ years, everyone knows that it's one big collusion of people promoting each other and excluding the rest. *Everyone* knows this. If a researcher pretends not to understand this or dismisses it then he's bullshitting you.
Totally. That's why that Einstein guy never got to publish. Goddamn Newtonians had it out for him, and I don't have to tell you the kind of grip they have on the community!
Yes. It is depressing. Oh, and while I was actively publishing I was in the 1%...
Oh, wow, me too! I mostly wrote about Heisenberg flux matrix compensators. Weren't you the guy who kept publishing about the time cube?
Their not allowed to repair the buildings as concrete is on the list of goods that Israel prevents from being imported:
Seriously? Let's think about this:
He says if Hamas stops with the rockets, they can use the money to make repairs to buildings.
You say "but they can't fix stuff because they can't get concrete".
Israel says they can't import concrete because they keep launching rockets.
Hrm. I don't know about you, but I think I see a solution somewhere in there.
You should remember that Israel (which have one of the best armies in the world) is fighting against a ethnical group without army.
If anyone else in the world did that, We could call it a massacre, a butchery or even a genocide.
Maybe in your special little universe. Here in the real world, Israel isn't fighting against "a ethnical group", it's fighting against a bunch of primitive fanatics who insist on constantly trying to kill Israeli citizens.
If Israel actually wanted to carry out a genocide Palestine would be devoid of life in a week; instead the Palestinian population continues to grow at a rate far higher than the population of Israel.
Worst. Genocide. EVER.
History is not going to be kind to the government of Israel in the first decades of the 21st century (if not longer).
History is not going to be kind to the only liberal democracy in the middle east?
Boy, your future sounds like a complete horror-show.
It's about breaking them away from the authority of their parents, selling them the opiate of "equality" and making them serve the will and authority of the modern state.
Totally. Because that's way more effective than keeping them ignorant, beating them over the head with a bible, and making them work in the fields and factories until they drop while being supervised and subjugated by an elite class chosen from the "nobility".
Oh, wait ...
Maybe the other 3 billion will use a near limitless supply of knowledge for something other than watching cat videos.
Personally I can't wait to hear from the Kazakhstani Prince and the $20 million dollars he's having trouble moving ....
I'm sure the data is used for various nefarious purposes
No doubt planned by a guy with a cat in his lap, who likes to say "eeexcellent" a lot.
That's a bit farfetched, but everything the NSA was confirmed to be doing was also farfetched before Snowden leaked those documents.
There was nothing far-fetched about the idea that the government was dong metadata analysis, or working with large corporations to access their data. Both of those things were pretty much an open "secret" well before Snowden leaked anything; he merely provided greater detail about the extent of those operations, and brought that information into the public consciousness.
Besides which, if your thought process goes along the lines of "these far-fetched things have happened, therefore all these other far-fetched things are probably true" .... you are not a rational person. People who think that way end up believing every goddamn conspiracy theory under the sun.
If you dare to not follow the herd, think for yourself, make up your mind by yourself without the aid of government "guided" media, of course you must be an extremist.
It's frightening how close the US already got to the USSR of old.
Oh, irony.
See, a rational person would have looked at what's going and concluded that the NSA's position is "of course you're more likely to be an extremist" rather than "of course you must be an extremist". But self-styled "free-thinkers" such as yourself always seem to tend toward these extreme, paranoid views that barely resemble the actual situation. It's almost as if you tended towards extremism or something.
Of course you have- you're a US citizen.
Read my sig, then try again. Thanks.