...since Bash can run on *anything*, that makes it and "anything running Bash" issue, including your precious Windows...
So..."Did I say both are equally vulnerable" - why yes; yes you did!
Then there was the whole "look, cmd.exe can't parse stuff either correctly" - that's also kinda along the same "lol Windows is just as bad" lines.
And we both know ShellShock is a particularly epic *nix only issue, really, even if technicaly....possibly it could be bad on Windows too....well not really. Get over it; it happens. Just this time Windows comes out on top. Your defensiveness and keenness at mitigating culpability serves only to make the issue look worse than it is, aside from being highly amusing.
CMD is a skin-deep DOS emulator used by approximately zero applications these days, unlike say Apache & bash. So again, you attempts to equate risks here really seem desperate and again, most amusing.
Also if I'm not mistaken POSIX in Windows has been depreciated for a while, albeit still possible to install. Welcome to the crazy world of PowerShell my friend!
Keep flogging that dead horse though - surely it's got some life it in yet! You're right; ShellShock really is as bad a ball-ache in Windows as *nix, no really!
I love the fact you try to equate Windows and Linux for this epic bug as if they're both as vulnerable. Really, it's hilarious. Technically you're right but we both know absolutely nobody except *NIX fans run bash on Windows. Ok maybe a bit more but still, your attempts to divert negative PR gave me quite the chuckle.
This "patched within hours" is a bit of a false economy if you need to test your apps aren't going to be negatively impacted. If you don't care or just want to live the dream then yeah, otherwise the real world is a bit more complicated than that. The fact the patch needed patching in itself suggest some testing will be needed if you care about top-to-bottom stability.
"Ever tried connecting a Surface Pro to your company's Active Directory and implementing GPO?" - this is a big red flag to me you are either spreading FUD knowingly or you genuinely don't know what you're talking about. All Surface Pro tablets can use full AD and that's been documented for years.
"You haven't lied, yet stayed away from telling the truth as well. " - it seems you have your own version of selective reality too. Windows 8 is a big shift from traditional Windows but you seem to imply there'll be no change to this, which is very unlikely to be the case. As Vista was slow to get people off XP, Windows 8 will is similar in that respect (albeit for different reasons; Win8 is mainly a UI paradigm shift instead of a kernel one) but the point is that most will get there in the end as they did XP -> Win7.
News at 11. Glad to see the circle-jerk here is just as strong as ever - gotta reassure ourselves that MSFT is (still) on the brink of doom after all.
Some people don't want 2 devices for 2 separate functions; there's a real market for one device that can scale up when necessary, and the Surface 3 Pro is aimed at those people. Not everyone of course - some people enjoy having multiple devices, but a decent chunk, myself included just want one that you can accessorise into a full-on power PC if you want, which this does nicely.
...if Microsoft has released something with a bug like this. Somehow I doubt there'd be so much analysis. To me this demonstrates that open != secure necessarily; how long has anyone been able to read the source-code here and even known about it for months? Let's just all agree that open-sourcing code is no guarantee of any kind of quality.
I came here to read about why this relatively unknown guy would clearly mean doom for MSFT, by people that have never worked there with very public disdain for pretty much all the products MS make.
I love coming to Slashdot to hear about why MSFT is doomed each day. I've been hearing it for years yet annoyingly, the MSFT share prices just won't tank. What a shame! I wonder if investors know something the anti-MS crowd on/. don't....hmm...
No, you showed me some text and a graph on Neowin that asserts Microsoft lost $10 billion over 2 years without a shred of evidence to back it up. Talk is cheap; this is no evidence of anything at all.
"The Entertainment and Devices Division posted revenue of $2.53 billion, an increase of 56% from the prior year period. Adjusting for the recognition of revenue related to the Video Game Deferral, the division’s non-GAAP revenue increased 33% for the third quarter. Xbox LIVE now has over 46 million members worldwide, an 18% increase from the prior year period."
MSFT stock is up, and the company is making more profits than ever. For all the arm-chair predictions of certain doom, the people that count are rallying behind the company.
Now this is a hugely unpopular opinion which anti-MS geeks don't like being confronted with so I expect to be censored/buried by "-1 Overrated" anytime now. Good times!:)
Yes, it was basically "it's changed - I don't like it". Same thing happened between 3.11 and Win95 and despite even less options to revert back, the world kept turning. Please read mine.
I understand people don't like change, which Windows 8 certainly is, but what I don't get is why some self-confessed-geeks can't seem to see how that in literally seconds you're back to the comfortable old way of using the OS while also enjoying the benefits of 8 over 7 - the speed and memory-footprint improvements must surely be worth more than the 1-2 minutes of customisation Win8 takes if you want ye olde Win7 look & feel back.
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Oh alright, here you go then:
...since Bash can run on *anything*, that makes it and "anything running Bash" issue, including your precious Windows...
So..."Did I say both are equally vulnerable" - why yes; yes you did!
Then there was the whole "look, cmd.exe can't parse stuff either correctly" - that's also kinda along the same "lol Windows is just as bad" lines.
And we both know ShellShock is a particularly epic *nix only issue, really, even if technicaly....possibly it could be bad on Windows too....well not really. Get over it; it happens. Just this time Windows comes out on top. Your defensiveness and keenness at mitigating culpability serves only to make the issue look worse than it is, aside from being highly amusing.
CMD is a skin-deep DOS emulator used by approximately zero applications these days, unlike say Apache & bash. So again, you attempts to equate risks here really seem desperate and again, most amusing.
Also if I'm not mistaken POSIX in Windows has been depreciated for a while, albeit still possible to install. Welcome to the crazy world of PowerShell my friend!
Keep flogging that dead horse though - surely it's got some life it in yet! You're right; ShellShock really is as bad a ball-ache in Windows as *nix, no really!
I love the fact you try to equate Windows and Linux for this epic bug as if they're both as vulnerable. Really, it's hilarious. Technically you're right but we both know absolutely nobody except *NIX fans run bash on Windows. Ok maybe a bit more but still, your attempts to divert negative PR gave me quite the chuckle.
This "patched within hours" is a bit of a false economy if you need to test your apps aren't going to be negatively impacted. If you don't care or just want to live the dream then yeah, otherwise the real world is a bit more complicated than that. The fact the patch needed patching in itself suggest some testing will be needed if you care about top-to-bottom stability.
"Ever tried connecting a Surface Pro to your company's Active Directory and implementing GPO?" - this is a big red flag to me you are either spreading FUD knowingly or you genuinely don't know what you're talking about. All Surface Pro tablets can use full AD and that's been documented for years.
So add a trusted root authority certificate to the list and job done?
"You haven't lied, yet stayed away from telling the truth as well. " - it seems you have your own version of selective reality too. Windows 8 is a big shift from traditional Windows but you seem to imply there'll be no change to this, which is very unlikely to be the case. As Vista was slow to get people off XP, Windows 8 will is similar in that respect (albeit for different reasons; Win8 is mainly a UI paradigm shift instead of a kernel one) but the point is that most will get there in the end as they did XP -> Win7.
News at 11. Glad to see the circle-jerk here is just as strong as ever - gotta reassure ourselves that MSFT is (still) on the brink of doom after all.
Some people don't want 2 devices for 2 separate functions; there's a real market for one device that can scale up when necessary, and the Surface 3 Pro is aimed at those people. Not everyone of course - some people enjoy having multiple devices, but a decent chunk, myself included just want one that you can accessorise into a full-on power PC if you want, which this does nicely.
Let's generate some outrage! We want to be angry about Microsoft!
Yes, how dare they refuse to support older patch levels of the same OS. Outrageous.
...if Microsoft has released something with a bug like this. Somehow I doubt there'd be so much analysis. To me this demonstrates that open != secure necessarily; how long has anyone been able to read the source-code here and even known about it for months? Let's just all agree that open-sourcing code is no guarantee of any kind of quality.
And so the circle-jerk of Slashdot continues. The echo-chamber in this place is too much sometimes.
I came here to read about why this relatively unknown guy would clearly mean doom for MSFT, by people that have never worked there with very public disdain for pretty much all the products MS make.
I was not disappointed.
You must be a blast at house parties.
I love coming to Slashdot to hear about why MSFT is doomed each day. I've been hearing it for years yet annoyingly, the MSFT share prices just won't tank. What a shame! I wonder if investors know something the anti-MS crowd on /. don't....hmm...
No, you showed me some text and a graph on Neowin that asserts Microsoft lost $10 billion over 2 years without a shred of evidence to back it up. Talk is cheap; this is no evidence of anything at all.
It takes one to know one.
The MSFT stock price disagrees with you.
You have no evidence to support the assertion Xbox hasn't broken even. That's where the discussion ends.
From the last quarter (Q3) - http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY13/Q3/default.aspx
"The Entertainment and Devices Division posted revenue of $2.53 billion, an increase of 56% from the prior year period. Adjusting for the recognition of revenue related to the Video Game Deferral, the division’s non-GAAP revenue increased 33% for the third quarter. Xbox LIVE now has over 46 million members worldwide, an 18% increase from the prior year period."
I call shenanigans.
Yeah there's been some failures as well as successes.
Xbox (still not broken even yet) quote>
Citation needed.
Because http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-no-longer-the-windows-company-does-wall-street-agree-7000015573/?s_cid=e589&ttag=e589
MSFT stock is up, and the company is making more profits than ever. For all the arm-chair predictions of certain doom, the people that count are rallying behind the company.
Sorry to break it to you Slashdot, but for the people here that have predicted the glorious end to the evil empire, such as TFA submitter (who amusingly can't even get the product-names right; what does that say about quality of analysis?) are way off the mark. Investors disagree with you - http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-no-longer-the-windows-company-does-wall-street-agree-7000015573/?s_cid=e589&ttag=e589
Now this is a hugely unpopular opinion which anti-MS geeks don't like being confronted with so I expect to be censored/buried by "-1 Overrated" anytime now. Good times! :)
Heh, if you think Win8 can't open more than one Window at a time then that's all I need to know about following this discussion up :)
I wish you all the best with KDE!
Yes, it was basically "it's changed - I don't like it". Same thing happened between 3.11 and Win95 and despite even less options to revert back, the world kept turning. Please read mine.
I understand people don't like change, which Windows 8 certainly is, but what I don't get is why some self-confessed-geeks can't seem to see how that in literally seconds you're back to the comfortable old way of using the OS while also enjoying the benefits of 8 over 7 - the speed and memory-footprint improvements must surely be worth more than the 1-2 minutes of customisation Win8 takes if you want ye olde Win7 look & feel back.