Blue Ray I'll admit hands-down is the biggest price gouge - the Cell processor - not so much. Remember the PS2 also had its fair share of custom chipsets including the 128 Bit "Emotion Engine". I don't see the cost of fabrication of the Cell as being any different that the cost-risks assumed with the Emotion Engine.
But 1st generation video playbacks?
Oh yes - there's some bucks there. The hard drive inclusion wasn't exactly hay either (cheap I know - but double that price for your charge at sell and it's a wallop) which is probably why Microsoft made it optional to shave costs.
That games section at the Apple store must have been my imagination.
Isn't that weird? I see it every time I go in there! I must be suffering from detached retinas or something.
Granted we don't have Half-Life but I'm addicted to RTCW anyway (yes it's older than moses - but between the map-mods and the overall speed from the last great game based on the Q3 engine that cranks decent even on g4's - I'm SO frigging addicted).
Agreed. I spent a decade in St. Louis before returning to the Bay Area, and it surprised me that the culture of Wash U couldn't extend their activities outside of the bar-scene. I'm not surprised that the one's who accomplished anything left the city.
At one point Steve Jobs wanted to move Pixar closer to his backyard, and there was a massive backlash - mostly because some of the people lived as far north as Sonoma. I'm in Emeryville myself and I've got Pixar neighbors who wouldn't be caught dead in San Jose for more than the time it takes to leave their airport.
I never lived there - but 15 years ago I drove by it a few times.
Good lord! I can only imagine what you'd write about some farming community you drove by a few times...
"Here in the vast wasteland tracts of the Midwest sat writhing corpses waiting to die in the hot bleached sun as jobs and opportunities continued their downward ebb while black helecopters continued their searches for survivors to kill".
"I drove through Kansas a few times so it seemed pretty accurate".
No worries - actually - if memory serves - the Aussies are the one's that really get screwed on the conversion rates for video game consoles come to think of it.
When you're talking VC firms you're not talking just cash - although I'll get to that in a minute - you're also talking where that cash is located. VC firms usually assign a member to the board or help manage the companies they invest in. And someone isn't going to sell their home on Sand Hill road and relocate to Iowa to tend to the invements.
Now as far as cash, in the 3rd quarter last year, 1.02 billion dollars was invested in new companies. In other states the whole year is touted in dozens of millions. For perspective, Silicon Valley's take represented nearly 40% of the entire pie for the 3rd quarter of 2005 with New York at a distant 12%. That means SV wasn't just first - it was first more than 3 times over what came "second". There's a ton of other reasons for the cash pour that's on but the sheer size and number of funds available insure that other "Silicon _____" will be far and away from the real-deal.
All of these figures were culled from the Mercury News but I'm taking a smoke break from evening work and don't have time to google it at the moment.
Which isn't bad at under 1600.00, 100 extra for future-proofed (2012? Shit I hope there's a pass-through for 500.00 ps3's akin to the Xbox 360 mentioned in the parent-post or another game system by THEN) is the least of my cost-worries. And since I'm using the ps3 as a tax write-off for business expenses (I work with games and UI) - what do I care about 100.00 more dollars?
Much adeau? Meet nothing.
Bottem-line, they'll sell plenty to bleeding edge adopters - and the rest when the prices come down. That's how the PS2 sold anyway. They sure as hell didn't move the 100 million in the first year! Heck GTA3 - the first killer app for the PS2 didn't even arrive till nearly a year later.
But of course Zonk dredges every anti-sony article he can find, and the rest is predictable.
Sniff - we hardly knew ye. And there's no direct email form for mentioning this either - unless I want to create ANOTHER account on ANOTHER submission site that reads about as conceise as the flight-deck of a Boeing 757. Nice interface - looks like a drunk UI designer barfed his PRD all over the place.
"People" is just funny when placed next to any other word (except "dead" - on occasion). I recall an amusing fake HMO commercial bumper on the radio for:
"Pediacare - people - pulling people - out of people"
And they wonder why the rest of the country shrugged after New Orleans bit the big one? Yes please - let's pour 200 billion rebuilding a sinkhole for the entire cast of Deliverance. What a great idea! Pitty no one sober gives a fuck.
Hey Louisiana - we decided to give you back to the French! Get packin'!
Good to see origonal thought shining through in America's schools. Wave that fucking flag.
re:"conspiracies"
You don't have to do a search of - say that last 5 minutes worth of stories to see Zonk's overkill on this one folks. Of course - some of you might actually not be "in the know" so it's encouraged whenever readers of Digg.com show up. PS - the site-search-thingie is at the bottem of the page. You might even find other people bitching on his Sony hater shit in other threads - Imagine!
I can see it now - hordes of gamers, struggling to make their way north to the land of the free. The GTA railroad.
Fuck Louisiana. If any state deserved everything they got - that's one of them. I hope they get 20 more hurricanes. Let-em enjoy their puritanical government regulations. Perhaps they'll re-institute Jim Crow laws next!
Perhaps if they get the man behind "elephant" and produce something for the next wave of consoles - but the screenshot I saw looked like something for the Nintendo DS.
Perhaps the touch-screen brings some subtlety to the story that I'm missing perhaps?
Looked like a 2d game with tons of digg.com jokes - or Sony haters - whichever.
Slashdot Mirror
Blue Ray I'll admit hands-down is the biggest price gouge - the Cell processor - not so much. Remember the PS2 also had its fair share of custom chipsets including the 128 Bit "Emotion Engine". I don't see the cost of fabrication of the Cell as being any different that the cost-risks assumed with the Emotion Engine.
But 1st generation video playbacks?
Oh yes - there's some bucks there. The hard drive inclusion wasn't exactly hay either (cheap I know - but double that price for your charge at sell and it's a wallop) which is probably why Microsoft made it optional to shave costs.
That games section at the Apple store must have been my imagination.
Isn't that weird? I see it every time I go in there! I must be suffering from detached retinas or something.
Granted we don't have Half-Life but I'm addicted to RTCW anyway (yes it's older than moses - but between the map-mods and the overall speed from the last great game based on the Q3 engine that cranks decent even on g4's - I'm SO frigging addicted).
I was refering to your response to the "literature". Your response is about right for your IQ.
Good luck with your future endevours.
Agreed. I spent a decade in St. Louis before returning to the Bay Area, and it surprised me that the culture of Wash U couldn't extend their activities outside of the bar-scene. I'm not surprised that the one's who accomplished anything left the city.
Good point.
At one point Steve Jobs wanted to move Pixar closer to his backyard, and there was a massive backlash - mostly because some of the people lived as far north as Sonoma. I'm in Emeryville myself and I've got Pixar neighbors who wouldn't be caught dead in San Jose for more than the time it takes to leave their airport.
I never lived there - but 15 years ago I drove by it a few times.
Good lord! I can only imagine what you'd write about some farming community you drove by a few times...
"Here in the vast wasteland tracts of the Midwest sat writhing corpses waiting to die in the hot bleached sun as jobs and opportunities continued their downward ebb while black helecopters continued their searches for survivors to kill".
"I drove through Kansas a few times so it seemed pretty accurate".
FUCK!
No worries - actually - if memory serves - the Aussies are the one's that really get screwed on the conversion rates for video game consoles come to think of it.
When you're talking VC firms you're not talking just cash - although I'll get to that in a minute - you're also talking where that cash is located. VC firms usually assign a member to the board or help manage the companies they invest in. And someone isn't going to sell their home on Sand Hill road and relocate to Iowa to tend to the invements.
Now as far as cash, in the 3rd quarter last year, 1.02 billion dollars was invested in new companies. In other states the whole year is touted in dozens of millions. For perspective, Silicon Valley's take represented nearly 40% of the entire pie for the 3rd quarter of 2005 with New York at a distant 12%. That means SV wasn't just first - it was first more than 3 times over what came "second". There's a ton of other reasons for the cash pour that's on but the sheer size and number of funds available insure that other "Silicon _____" will be far and away from the real-deal.
All of these figures were culled from the Mercury News but I'm taking a smoke break from evening work and don't have time to google it at the moment.
technically that would be ON your fat-asses. Unless you're playing DDR, Guitar Hero or an eyetoy game - or if you're being suspended from the ceiling.
699.00? Neat!
Is that Canadian dollars? I recall it being a little less than that. If you consider 100 dollars a small margin of error.
I don't but silly fucking me.
re:"If you're sitting there with a expensive 1080p TV pissing-and-moaning about $100, then I apologize."
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I was thinking the same thing. When I get around to getting a flat LCD:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=774
Which isn't bad at under 1600.00, 100 extra for future-proofed (2012? Shit I hope there's a pass-through for 500.00 ps3's akin to the Xbox 360 mentioned in the parent-post or another game system by THEN) is the least of my cost-worries. And since I'm using the ps3 as a tax write-off for business expenses (I work with games and UI) - what do I care about 100.00 more dollars?
Much adeau? Meet nothing.
Bottem-line, they'll sell plenty to bleeding edge adopters - and the rest when the prices come down. That's how the PS2 sold anyway. They sure as hell didn't move the 100 million in the first year! Heck GTA3 - the first killer app for the PS2 didn't even arrive till nearly a year later.
But of course Zonk dredges every anti-sony article he can find, and the rest is predictable.
Oh it's Zonk - HI ZONK! Making up for the blowback on the Immersion article I see. Good job! Keep those haters hating!
Looks like the apple NYC store story went squish
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http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/19
Sniff - we hardly knew ye. And there's no direct email form for mentioning this either - unless I want to create ANOTHER account on ANOTHER submission site that reads about as conceise as the flight-deck of a Boeing 757. Nice interface - looks like a drunk UI designer barfed his PRD all over the place.
Ew.
Freweesshhhoooot?
/ martin/index.html
I don't know otherwise, and Don Martin - the king of onomatopoeia is dead unfortunately:
http://dir.salon.com/story/people/obit/2000/01/15
"People" is just funny when placed next to any other word (except "dead" - on occasion). I recall an amusing fake HMO commercial bumper on the radio for:
"Pediacare - people - pulling people - out of people"
I was glad I wasn't drinking soda at the time...
re:"Hint Sony: your locked formats suck. I'm talking Minidisc, UMD, Beta, MS, etc."
You couldn't record to Betamax or Minidisc? Wow! I don't remember that. Thanks for clarifying this for us - you're swell.
What a wonderful world when typos beat out the genius of mime.
Whoop de shit
re:"Can a console really be viable at this price?"
Can a dead-horse be flogged any further into the ground Zonk?
And they wonder why the rest of the country shrugged after New Orleans bit the big one? Yes please - let's pour 200 billion rebuilding a sinkhole for the entire cast of Deliverance. What a great idea! Pitty no one sober gives a fuck.
Hey Louisiana - we decided to give you back to the French! Get packin'!
Good to see origonal thought shining through in America's schools. Wave that fucking flag.
re:"conspiracies"
You don't have to do a search of - say that last 5 minutes worth of stories to see Zonk's overkill on this one folks. Of course - some of you might actually not be "in the know" so it's encouraged whenever readers of Digg.com show up. PS - the site-search-thingie is at the bottem of the page. You might even find other people bitching on his Sony hater shit in other threads - Imagine!
I can see it now - hordes of gamers, struggling to make their way north to the land of the free. The GTA railroad.
Fuck Louisiana. If any state deserved everything they got - that's one of them. I hope they get 20 more hurricanes. Let-em enjoy their puritanical government regulations. Perhaps they'll re-institute Jim Crow laws next!
You must be depressed as hell.
Go through all the trouble to post -yet- another Sony hater article - and people are beating up on Immersion instead.
I think that's hillarious myself.
re:"Noone can be a website, silly."
I just gotta nitpick - and nitpick I shall.
JenniCam.
Granted it's pushing up internet daisies now, but still - there's plenty more just like it.
Damn - was scrolling and thought I could make this bad joke first...
Well, how about the manditory Futurama gag:
Fry: My god! What if the secret ingredient is... people?!!
Leela: No, there's already food like that -- Soylent Rice.
Fry: "How does it taste?"
Leela: "...It varies from person to person."
With that game engine? Pulleeze.
Perhaps if they get the man behind "elephant" and produce something for the next wave of consoles - but the screenshot I saw looked like something for the Nintendo DS.
Perhaps the touch-screen brings some subtlety to the story that I'm missing perhaps?
Looked like a 2d game with tons of digg.com jokes - or Sony haters - whichever.