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Apple Finally Getting Its Game On?

Gamespot reports on the possibility that, in some way, Apple is making moves to develop games. From the article: "This week, GameSpot learned that there may be more to the Apple-game rumors than mere Mac-mad daydreams. A tech-sector recruiter contacted the GS NewsDesk with an interesting story of a prospective hire that got away. Recently, when said recruiter made an offer to a software engineer, the engineer turned the offer down--saying he was being 'heavily recruited by Apple.' According to the engineer, an Apple hiring manager named Mike Lampell is heading up a group inside Apple's storied iTunes division. The group is specifically hiring for 'C/C++ coders with a gaming background.'"

176 comments

  1. Nice move... by EvilCabbage · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The engineer says the project in question was described to him as "super secret," and Apple would not even tell him the exact nature of it until he had been hired and signed a non-disclosure agreement."

    Anybody want to place bets on his chances of being hired now?

    1. Re:Nice move... by FidelCatsro · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I could also place a wager on it being an intentional leak . No trade secrets to protect here , but letting a little slip at a time could build up some hype , perhaps push shares up and sales.

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  2. About Time by DingerX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Easy here: apple develops a bunch of simple, casual games that run on ipod/with interface, and sells them for a couple bucks a pop at ITMS. Nothing fancy, and nothing that taxes resources (as so many phone games do).

    With the money to be made, the market share to be exploited, and the minimal investment required, I'm surprised they haven't already done this.

    1. Re:About Time by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      My thoughts exactly. Develop a bunch of casual gamer games (a la PopCap) and offer them for sale through iTunes. Even better if they run on both Macs and iPods.

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    2. Re:About Time by catwh0re · · Score: 2, Informative
      Small form gaming devices (as with mobile phones) is currently an incredibly booming market at the moment. It's so serious that game developers are co-developing lightweight java versions of their games as they produce major titles.

      This might just save java too.

    3. Re:About Time by scolby · · Score: 1

      Yes, but couldn't one just as easily distribute episodic game content through ITMS, similar to the plans for continuing Half Life 2 and some of the things happening with XBox Live?

    4. Re:About Time by renelicious · · Score: 1

      This makes far more sense than actual games for the MAC. With codeweavers work on getting crossover office working on MACs it probably won't be long before Windows games run fine. Not that that better than native ports, we all know, but at least they will be avaliable.

      However the iPod idea seem like it would be a money maker. People spend tons of money on cell phone games, why shouldn't apple get in on it. Hopefully they will also open it and the ability to sell through iTunes to others as well.

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    5. Re:About Time by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      This might just save java too.

      I'm a little confused as to what you think Java needs saving from; it may not be popular round these parts, but out in the real world, its in huge demand, at least in the web. Increasingly it's also to be found gluing web fornt ends to legacy systems and even replacing those systems altogether.

      Yeah, it pretty-much died a death on the client, but that's hardly indicative of it requiring "saving" from anything.

    6. Re:About Time by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      May be he meant Java's reputation as being slow.

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    7. Re:About Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes far more sense than actual games for the MAC.

      I agree. Gaming on Machine Access Codes makes no sense at all.

  3. 3D visualisations for itunes? by JensR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if they just want some 3D visualisations for iTunes? Something that requires experience with character animation, skinned models or complex shaders?

    1. Re:3D visualisations for itunes? by n8_f · · Score: 1

      Think Front Row. Front Row is very much like a video game menu system. Although it looks pretty and I like to use it, the functionality blows. They have a lot of work to do with it. Or maybe they want some better games for their new video iPod. One this is for sure, the iTunes group aren't developing games for the Mac platform. They want some people with lots of graphics experience, probably for some custom GUI stuff (every game has it's own widgets).

    2. Re:3D visualisations for itunes? by Nomad37 · · Score: 1

      Nice idea dude, but it's been done: http://www.memention.com/js/

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    3. Re:3D visualisations for itunes? by JensR · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I was originally thinking of was a 3D graphics demo, like they are made for some competitions, a 3D visualisation like it was on one of the early PlayStation demo disks, or something silly like iDance (http://en.mysprite.com/, I think the original page is http://www.idance.co.kr/).

      But n8_f's is probably correct, that they want a flashy 3D user interface for something like Front Row.

    4. Re:3D visualisations for itunes? by Nomad37 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I figured - that was just a little joke :o)

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  4. a thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple portable music gaming device?

  5. They called me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been called by an Apple recruiter as well, maybe 6 - 8 months ago. The person I spoke to said that they were looking for people with my skills. I've been in the games industry since I was 18, I've shipped around 3 dozen titles for consoles and handhelds, so my resume basically shows that I'm perfect for one thing: getting games out the door. For personal reasons I wasn't even slightly interested in the job, but the call itself was vastly intruiguing. I've been waiting eagerly ever since to hear what the heck Apple is up to.

    1. Re:They called me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple often wants people with graphics experience, and typically their recruiters will ask if people have 'games' experience. Among other things, such people have been hired to do OpenGL acceleration in Quartz Extreme, CoreImage, 3D effects in Keynote and FrontRow, slide shows in iPhoto, and effects in PhotoBooth.

      In short, they're not really looking for people with games experience, they're looking for people with OpenGL experience. 'Games' is just a useful keyword for finding the resumes they're looking for.

    2. Re:They called me... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      If I post as AC I could also bullshit my fellow slashdotians into thinking I am in the know with the latest Apple Development.

    3. Re:They called me... by jcr · · Score: 1

      He didn't claim any such knowledge. He just said that a recruiter from Apple had contacted him. What's your issue with that?

      -jcr

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    4. Re:They called me... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying thats all, besides if thats all that happened why post as AC?

    5. Re:They called me... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Maybe he just couldn't be bothered to log in.

      -jcr

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    6. Re:They called me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Is this you?

      From: jcr@idiom.com (John C. Randolph) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: There's been a lot of high-level, reasoned debate here... Date: 1 Apr 1995 16:40:30 -0800 Organization: Idiom Consulting Message-ID: &lt3lkrpu$7is@idiom.com> Summary: But now, I'm going to poke the cult in the eye with a stick.

      My friend Lynn wrote this, and I thought some people here might get a chuckle out of it.

      "L. Ron Ron" Copyright 1990 Lynn Gold

      He keeps on writing novels though his life is through It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Some folks say it shows what Dianetics do It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Yeah, his life is through Yeah, what Dianetics do Yeah, when I saw the name It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!

      He wrote before he founded Scientology It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! But soon he found religion makes bucks easily It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Scientology Makes bucks easily Yeah, Dianetics pays For L. Ron, Ron, Ron; for L. Ron, Ron!

      Oooo... Oooo... It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Oooo... Oooo... It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!

      Twenty-two best sellers and there's more to come It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Heaven only knows where they're a-comin' from It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! Yeah, more books to come Yeah, who knows where from Yeah, this I've gotta see From L. Ron, Ron, Ron; from L. Ron, Ron!

      L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! \ sing lots of times through It's L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron! / optional descant*

      *Optional descant (lines constantly being added):

      Dianetics...got their questionnaire in the mail And I threw it out...found it on my car window too

      If you don't have a problem They'll find one and show you how they can fix it

      Battlefield Earth...don't know what else he wrote And I don't care!

      L. Ron, Ron, Ron; it's L. Ron, Ron!

      -jcr Supressive and proud!

      "I found a slug on the path this morning. I named it XENU!"
    7. Re:They called me... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been posting from this account for a very long time. Can't take credit for the song though; my friend Lynn wrote that.

      -jcr

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    8. Re:They called me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It was a little more than that. I was asked to go to Culpertino and sign an NDA, which I subsequently did.

      Ultimately what they were proposing didn't interest me much. The entire thing seemed to revolve around Mac-specific optimization rather than porting. Apple had their Cocoa and Carbon APIs ported to Windows, and were proposing use of CoreImage combined with OpenGL as a "fast backdoor" to get around the legacy Windows DirectX APIs.

      I'm not sure if they actually wanted the final games to run on Windows with these libraries which, presumably would be only available on Macs with Bootcamp or something, or if they intended the final games to actually run under Mac OS X with some sort of Windows compatibility layer. Signs largely pointed to the former, they'd gone to a lot of trouble to make the version of Windows they were looking at look like Mac OS X, even going to so far as to put references to "Mac OS W" throughout it. It was a grating user-experience though.

    9. Re:They called me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Games' is just a useful keyword for finding the resumes they're looking for.

      As useful as the keyword 'OpenGL'?

  6. Excellent news! by Haeleth · · Score: 5, Funny

    No doubt Apple is tired of seeing Microsoft dominate the games market. Look out for the all-new iPippin. With an Intel chip inside, it's twice as fast as the PowerPC-based XBox 360!*

    * May not actually be twice as fast outside the Reality Distortion Field. But who cares? You know you'll buy it anyway.

    1. Re:Excellent news! by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      That controller looks awfully... familiar.

    2. Re:Excellent news! by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

      and GAM 950

    3. Re:Excellent news! by goodenoughnickname · · Score: 1

      Costing US$599 on launch, and touted as a cheap computer, in reality the system was commonly identified as a video game console. As such, its price was considered to be too expensive in comparison to its contemporaries.

      Hmmmm... I don't see this happening ever again.

  7. Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd actually argue that Mac's are ideal gaming platforms. There's only so many different configurations available, so it's more or less like programming for a game console (you know what you're programming for and optimise it for a specific hardware set), except everything is in x86 on a Linux platform. So really, no new hardware and api's need to be learned...it's pretty much all pre-existing. And with the number of game engines readily available, I bet Windows gamers would be pretty impressed with what you could do on a Core Duo Mac.

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    1. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so it's more or less like programming for a game console, except everything is in x86 on a Linux platform.

      Yes, except for the machines out there that are still PPC (you know, the real gaming machines-the desktops). Oh yeah, and they don't run on a Linux platform at all. Aside from these two major errors, your analysis is 100% correct.

    2. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by bitkari · · Score: 1

      The main problem with writing games for the mac isn't the platform itself, however.

      The real reason why mac gaming hasn't taken off is the very small audience. The PC already has a large install base, an established audience and still only finds a small segment of the whole games market.

      Any mac game venture could only hope to gain a small improvement over its currently modest array of titles, unless some serious money was put in to convincing developers/publishers to port more games to the platform the only thing that would be gained from this would be a few more [brace yourself] "switchers". For many games remain a major reason why they would never even consider buying a mac - removing that barrier would certainly add a few more people to the ranks of apple users.

    3. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by damiam · · Score: 1
      There's only so many different configurations available, so it's more or less like programming for a game console

      Macs come with all sorts of CPUs and GPUs; a game written specifically for the Radeon X1600 in a Macbook Pro isn't gonna work well on the Intel chip in the Macbook/Mac mini or on the NVidia chips in a Power Mac (or Mac Pro, as it may turn out). I don't think Macs are really any more standardized than PCs as far as game programming goes.

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    4. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      The hardware is accessible through an OpenGL interface so programming is largely hardware independent.

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    5. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by kestasjk · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "I'd actually argue that Mac's are ideal gaming platforms. There's only so many different configurations available, so it's more or less like programming for a game console (you know what you're programming for and optimise it for a specific hardware set), except everything is in x86 on a Linux platform. So really, no new hardware and api's need to be learned...it's pretty much all pre-existing."

      Ideal, except Macs with a graphics card worth a shit start at 1999USD (and even then it's a MacBook Pro with a small screen, no mouse included, and 512MB of RAM). And since when have small hardware variations mattered in games? DirectX/OpenGL take care of that.

      "And with the number of game engines readily available,[...]"
      What game engines? Are there better ones specifically for the Mac and not the PC? Care to point them out?

      "[...]I bet Windows gamers would be pretty impressed with what you could do on a Core Duo Mac."

      Apart from a few exceptions (Quake 4, WoW, UT2004, Halo), which are on Windows anyway of course, most Mac OS X games look like they've been scavanged from the $10 or less bin at EB.

      PC gamers often like to swap hardware around, upgrade processors and GFX cards; this is a major PITA on Macs. The same hardware available for OS X can be used on Windows, the gaming API available on OS X, OpenGL, is also available on Windows. Why would Macs be ideal again?

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    6. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by RemovableBait · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are actually quite a few decent games available on the Mac, you just need to look in the games section of the Apple Store instead of the Mac OS X download area.

    7. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by damiam · · Score: 1
      Macs with a graphics card worth a shit start at 1999USD

      IIRC, the iMac has the same X1600 as that MBP, and it's cheaper.

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    8. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by damiam · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, that was my point. The grandparent was trying to say that Macs were ideal game machines because they had standard hardware and could be programmed down to the metal like a console, and I was saying that that wasn't the case; Macs have differing GPUs and have to be programmed just like PCs, with abstraction layers such as OpenGL.

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    9. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that is the lower and mid range Macs are crippled (by gaming standards) with weak, integrated and non upgradable video adapters. The Macs that don't have that problem cost considerably more and are easily outclassed by a dedicated gaming rig built from commodity hardware.

      Oh, and the idea that people are going to install Linux on a Mac to play games is about one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.

    10. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by Reaperducer · · Score: 1

      Someone with mod points should flag this Informative. I've been a Mac owner for a few years and never thought much about games other than Mahojongg and Myst, since I do all of my gaming on consoles. But I checked the list and it's not bad. Halo on a Mac? Whoda thunk it? I wonder how many other people are as blind to the Mac's gaming side.

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    11. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That one seemed to be more Microsoft fulfilling a promise than anything. There, I said it, something semi-positive about MS. =)

      Don't forget that Bungie was the preeminent Mac games developer before Microsoft bought them out. Halo was initially demo'd running on Macs, and (IIRC) even at a MacWorld conference. It was initially going to be a computer game, but the buyout entailed a plan change. Bungie still said they were going to release the game for Windows and Macs, but not until the XBox version was taken care of.

    12. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Informative
      except Macs with a graphics card worth a shit start at 1999USD (and even then it's a MacBook Pro with a small screen, no mouse included, and 512MB of RAM).
      You misspelled "$1299," "iMac Core Duo," and "17 inch screen." It's got the same graphics chip as the MacBook Pro (ATi Radeon X1600).
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    13. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by apflwr3 · · Score: 1

      That one seemed to be more Microsoft fulfilling a promise than anything.

      Halo's not the only Microsoft affiliated game to be ported to the Mac platform. Offhand I can name Rise of Nations and Dungeon Siege, and I'm sure there are a few more.

      Really... Microsoft and Apple are not the mortal enemies people make them out to be.

    14. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by Golias · · Score: 1

      The rise of network gaming has made the Mac more important though. I'm convinced that one of the reasons World of Warcraft took off so far ahead of its contemporaries is the fact that it's a cross-platform game.

      Sure, out of 20 of your friends, only one might be a Mac user, but if you want to do any MMO gaming with that one friend, it can't be on EverQuest, EverQuest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, or City of Heroes. It has to be World of Warcraft.

      When deciding on an MMORPG for you and your circle of friends to each pay $15 a month for, the logical choice is the one which everybody can play. Any game which excludes part of the group is less likely to be seriously considered. Blizzard seems to understand that. Sony... not so much.

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    15. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

      I think it is great that World of Warcraft (WoW) supports Macs, however I don't buy the argument that Windows gamers are leaning towards WoW because the rare Mac friend will be able to play. The Windows users are playing WoW because they are having more fun, I don't think that they would play a game with a monthly fee that was less fun so the rare Mac friend could join in. Now if it was a one time purchase, like Myth back-in-the-day, that would be different. You play Myth when you Mac buddy is ready, you play [insert Windows only title here] during you "normal" play.

    16. Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? by oc255 · · Score: 1

      Sounds great on paper. OSX is still running OpenGL 1.5 with a crapload of extensions. OSX still double-buffers full-screen windows by default (see 4fps gains in WoW window mode vs fullscreen). My massive and huge hope is that Apple is trying to clean up the final frontier, gaming.

      WoW is cleanly coded. Doom3 is too. Both run great on Vista. Both are cross platform. Both come from amazing developers. But still, both run much slower on the same video card. And it's not OSX's eye candy, per se. It's OSX's intentional lag-behind driver versions. If Apple had pull with Nvidia and ATI then they could demand top-notch features and top-notch performance. But they can't. Macs are only good for designers and artists and they don't have market share (I hate this reputation).

      OSX relies on OpenGL / CoreImage (afaik) for a major part of the UI. Whereas, XP, all that DirectX stuff is an after-thought. Hopefully Vista and 3D get in bed with each other and complexity overwhelms Microsoft. Then, maybe Apple can get some market share % and demand ATI write amazing drivers for them. Then maybe Apple could demand the current version of Forceware and OpenGL 2.0. And then maybe we'd see equal playing fields.

      The OpenGL 2.0 bits aren't that important, 99% of the 1.5 extensions are there. But it's still a testament to the problem, imho.

      Btw, I'm no expert. Please respond if have any thoughts on this so I can learn (and steal your brain).

  8. Disney? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone thought that this may be more an in-house tie-in with Disney/Pixar? It would be quite the coup for them to have control of the kids-game market : If your kid wants to play the next Ice Age game, why not buy the system from that nice company who made their iPod?

    1. Re:Disney? by hexdcml · · Score: 1
      Except Pixar/Disney didn't make Ice Age. Or Ice Age 2 for that matter. Blue Sky Studios did.

      Good point though, but I think it's a little bit too niche of a market?, but hey, what do I know, since I'm obviously not in the target audience.

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  9. Finally, maybe? by VirionNW · · Score: 1

    I could see iPod games, maybe, or at least something more than Chess on the Mac when you buy it (chess is great, but Ma and Pa like Sollitaire, natch.) The real thing that gets me is, if it's for the iPod, why hasn't anyone else figured out how to get games on it? I've hunted and all I've found have been text games that read like a Choose Your Own Adventure book, but nothing like what currently resides there. It's a shame really, since I used to load my PDA down with distractions for long trips when it was my music player. If they are making games, maybe they'll take more advantage of the 1-100 read-out on the touch wheel, having a full range of directional control and not just a scroll wheel. The real kicker would be a licensing deal with a company to sell old console games emulated on the iPod, but that's not likely due to the button arangement. Still, I can hope, right?

    1. Re:Finally, maybe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real thing that gets me is, if it's for the iPod, why hasn't anyone else figured out how to get games on it?
       
      They Have http://www.rockbox.org/

    2. Re:Finally, maybe? by ClamIAm · · Score: 1
      The real thing that gets me is, if it's for the iPod, why hasn't anyone else figured out how to get games on it?

      Rockbox has a bunch of games. Unfortunately, the Ipod port isn't very polished yet.

    3. Re:Finally, maybe? by VirionNW · · Score: 1

      I've been eyeing Rockbox for a while now, if I had one of the other supported mp3 players (or if my old one was supported) I'd toss it on in an instant. I'm pretty tempted, I've been thinking of grabbing a 4th gen and tinkering with it, no doubt it would be the perfect opportunity to tinker with Rockbox (and play Doom, glorious Doom, as well as try different media formats.)

      Also, I never really took a close look at the plugins list, whew, quite a selection.

  10. Think Different... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ballmer will be hurling an entire conference room of chairs off the roof when Apple can claim:

    One billion games downloaded!

  11. Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pippin makes a comeback !

  12. What are these "ads" you speak of? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Try Firefox with NoScript. It makes surfing the web a clean, relatively ad-free experience, and minty fresh too.

    1. Re:What are these "ads" you speak of? by OECD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Try Firefox with NoScript. It makes surfing the web a clean, relatively ad-free experience, and minty fresh too.

      Feh. Try lynx. Even fewer ads and pages load in a snap.

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    2. Re:What are these "ads" you speak of? by Yosho · · Score: 1

      Man, why would you use lynx when you can just use telnet? I hate waiting for curses to redraw the screen.

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  13. New version of minesweeper? by madnuke · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Or how about Spider Solitaire! Mac games are good, I enjoyed playing CNC Generals on my mac. Though if your a die hard gamer and a die hard Mac fan you need a windows box for games. As the Macbook isnt a good games machine, I don't know about the Macbook Pro though.

    1. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Though if your (sic) a die hard gamer and a die hard Mac fan you need a windows box for games.
      Or a game console.
    2. Re:New version of minesweeper? by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      The MacBook Pro plays World of Warcraft very very nicely. Outperforms a dual-core G5 by quite a bit. Also plays UT2004 without a hitch. The other games we've tried aren't as graphics intensive.

      The only problem is that it runs so damn hot. With WoW, we got the CPU up to 160 degrees F, and decided to turn it off before we cooked the damn thing.

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    3. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just in touch with a different scene, but even most "casual" gamers generally have multiple consoles or a console and a PC. There are too many platform exclusive titles and user interface issues for most people, let alone "diehards" to limit themselves to one platform.

      THat being said, if you play FPSs, RTS, TBS, MMORPGS, or sandbox style western RPGs a console just doesn't hold a candle. If you begind your electronics life as a diehard gamer I'd say there is very little chance you'll ever become a diehard mac fan, it just isn't condusive to the mindset.

    4. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1
      if you play FPSs, RTS, TBS, MMORPGS, or sandbox style western RPGs a console just doesn't hold a candle.
      But if you like platformers, shmups, on-rail shooters, fighting, traditional RPGs, sports, racing, dance, party, survival horror --- your best choice is a game console.
    5. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no real quibble with any of the genres you have to choose except one:

      Traditional RPGS.

      Crap, big-haired, giant-sword Japanese completely-linear gimmicky-shit RPGs, maybe. Traditional RPGs? No. Traditional RPGs are the western-style sandbox type. They originated in the west as outgrowths of pen and paper roleplay, which -also- originated in the west.

      NWN. Oblivion. (Yes, there's a version for the 360, no it's not as good as the version for the PC, yes, I've tried both, and have the hardware for both cases, no, there's no real comparison). etc., etc., etc.

      The heritage of the traditional, more-open-ended, more diverse nature of RPGs harks all the way back until the very earliest days of computer gaming. Their gutted-out, red-haired-stepchild, do-the-best-with-the-shitty-controls-we-have descendants didn't even -start- on consoles until much later, certainly not meaningfully until the NES arrived, and even then, of poorer quality than corresponding titles on console-based computers of the time.

    6. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      Very true, which is why I own a PS2 in addition to 2 PCs, but even if that's all you play, you probably live in a house that has a computer, and I think presented with the temptation of owning a computer for which there are games availible, if one were truly "die hard" they certainly wouldn't let that capcity go un-utilized.

      And for the slightly off-topic record, blowing $70 a week in quarters on DDR may make you a diehard VG dancer, but in my mind it still makes you a bad person.

    7. Re:New version of minesweeper? by DavidV · · Score: 1

      Crazy version....

      http://www.astatix.com/crazyminesweeper.php

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    8. Re:New version of minesweeper? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoking crack.. my dual 2.7 G5 8GB ram plays WOW quite a bit better than my 2.16 macbook pro.. and yes I have 2GB of ram and a 7200 HDD.. but then again could be the 6800 GT card in powermac there as well.

  14. Mini versus PS3? by gozar · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What if they are gearing up for the Mac mini to take on the PS3? Apple has to be looking at the similar price points, and all it would take is to add some wireless controllers and the DVI-video adapter to the mini.

    Yes, the PS3 blows the mini out of the water in performance, but if the Wii takes off, then Apple might want a piece of the action. Plus, it has all the home media hub functions already, and a distribution network for music and video.

    The return of the Apple Pippen? Ars technica had a journal article from 2005 about Apple and Sony integrating the iTMS with the PS3, could Apple just be deciding to do it themselves after they saw the price of the PS3? Remember the sales pitches of the 80's for the Commodores and Ataris? "It not only plays great games, but it is also a full blown computer!"

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    1. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're kidding right? An intergrated Intel graphic chip and a 4200 RPM hard drive? A friend of mine complained about how slow the Mini is running DJ apps. The only thing a Mac mini might take on is a Nintendo hand held in terms of games.

      Even high end Macs are poor gaming machines because the graphic cards Apple sticks in them are at least a generation or two behind PC cards. I dropped $1600 18 months ago and all I have is a Geforce 5200. At the time it wasn't even that great. Mac users typically have 2-3 upgrade card options available at any time and any of them will cost about the same as a console.

      Don't forget that PC games are heavily into the ActiveX camp, which AFAIK still doesn't run on OSX.

    2. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you mean DirectX though ActiveX is also important.

      MS is pulling some totally insane stuff with DirectX X so people will be looking for alternatives... I'd like Apple to offer some I like gaming, I hate windows.

      The transition to Apple drivers, graphics extensions and hardware, might allow some new players into the graphics market, which is getting really expensive these days.

      (Lookie I made a comma splice!)

    3. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that PC games are heavily into the ActiveX camp, which AFAIK still doesn't run on OSX.

      I think you meant to say DirectX. OpenGL is getting to the point where its really mature, though developers still have to exist and want to program on the mac.

      I dropped $1600 18 months ago and all I have is a Geforce 5200.

      I'm a former mac user and programmer. Although its been many years, I've decided not to make the mistake of buying mac hardware again. Apple's APIs are rubbish, they treat developers like garbage, everything's too expensive, and most of the end users look down their noses at you at every chance.

    4. Re:Mini versus PS3? by gozar · · Score: 1
      You're kidding right? An intergrated Intel graphic chip and a 4200 RPM hard drive? A friend of mine complained about how slow the Mini is running DJ apps. The only thing a Mac mini might take on is a Nintendo hand held in terms of games.

      The mini's actually have a 5400 RPM drive. And yes, the integrated graphics won't win any awards, but even with these defecencies the Mini makes a lot better home media center than a PS3 or XBox 360. It should be able to run slightly older 3d first person shooters acceptably (30 fps in UT 2004). Maybe Apple is planning on dropping the lower mini back down to 499 and offer a 599 or 699 mini with better graphics.

      And I'm pretty sure a mini blows away a DS or PSP in terms of graphical power... :-) The GMA 950 looks like it could keep up with the PS2/GameCube/Xbox graphics if you're running it at 640X480 like those machines.

      Anyway, it's all pure conjecture at this point, although I personally would spend $599 on a mini before $599 on a PS3!

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    5. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 1

      You are correct about DirectX. I'm glad somebody knew what I meant. :)

    6. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 1

      When I said Nintendo handhelds I meant more in *type* of game rather than raw power. For example, older type games (80s remakes), many RPGS, puzzle games, etc. Mac Minis are not going to be running Doom 3 or similar high end games at any reasonable speed.

      Additionally, the lack of upgradeable graphic cards ensures that a Mac Mini will be unable to "grow" in the future. I'm not sure that a Mac Mini would be able to compete with a console which is where the Mac Mini would compete best. Since it is a computer first most people will compare it to PC gaming, which is in a different market than console games when it comes to what is expected from a machine.

    7. Re:Mini versus PS3? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1
      MS is pulling some totally insane stuff with DirectX X so people will be looking for alternatives... I'd like Apple to offer some I like gaming, I hate windows.
      Exactly -- why oh why can't game developers just use OpenGL, SDL, etc. instead of DirectX?!!
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    8. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I highly doubt the mini makes a more capable home media center than the ps3 or xbox 360. You do realize that they ARE home media centers and the mac mini is a PC, right? They all have hard drives, all play disc movies, and I'm almost sure the ps3 will play media files from a hard drive or network. Heck, the PSP does.

      Most people don't have a home media center of sorts, so fine, the Mac Mini would make an equally suitable one for those people. But I think it would be surprising, at least for me, to see the PS3 be anything less than the most capable sub $1,000 home media center on the market.

    9. Re:Mini versus PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, where did that quote come from? Certainly not the GP or TFA.

      If you're going to troll why pretend you're hanging off someone else's opinions?

    10. Re:Mini versus PS3? by SSpade · · Score: 1

      My G5 plays World of Warcraft with better graphics, a comparable framerate and better stability than my wifes windows box (and I got the bundled graphics card when I bought the G5, rather than upgrading to the much nicer gaming card option).

      But no, the Mini might become a media center, or a set top box, or a DVR or maybe even a casual gaming machine, perhaps. It's really unlikely to be a console competitor or your platform of choice for FPS in the near future. But that's because it's a very, very low-end box, not because it's a mac.

  15. Convergence is what it's all about by SalaciousPucker · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Apple should be in handheld gaming. They should be shooting for the inevitable, a true convergence of the handheld market. That uber-Phone/PDA/Ipod/Gameboy - all in one - that geeks have dreamed about since the Star Trek communicator.

    Apple sells the most expensive device in our pockets right now. It has mass storage, a color screen, significant processing power and it's own OS. Of all the pocket based systems, the Ipod requires the least additional work to accomodate the features of all the others. What you have then is the OS of the pocket.

    Still, the path to obscurity or to becoming the overpriced but efficient 'niche' product, like Apple computers have always been to the PC, could be Apple going it alone in all aspects. Taking a leap into handheld gaming would mean directly competing with Sony and Nintendo in a cut throat & solidified market. They would have two options really, as I see it. Build the gaming OS/API's themselves (a tough route) or license it from Sony (the PSP) or Nintendo. How open Sony or Nintendo would be to digital distribution of its games or handing off much of the reins to Apple is questionable, but there is definitely some synergy for a collaboration like this.

    Apple should move quick on this. The talk about Microsoft's new IPod/XBOX-handheld product is already in the 'when' not 'if' stage. Microft could care less about builiding the different handheld products individually or as a whole -- they want to own the OS it all runs on. They want to be there at the point of convergence. If Apple doesn't secure their position here it could be a situation of deja vu all over again.

    1. Re:Convergence is what it's all about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Apple sells the most expensive device in our pockets right now. It has mass storage, a color screen, significant processing power and it's own OS. Of all the pocket based systems, the Ipod requires the least additional work to accomodate the features of all the others. What you have then is the OS of the pocket.


      The iPod may be expensive, but powerful it is not. It is just vastly overpriced when just looking at the price of the components inside it. Look at cut rate Asian competitors with models that contain the exact same capability for half the cost or less. It's pathetic how overpriced iPods are.

      Also, the iPod click wheel is probably not a very good interface for games. You can maybe push one button at a time. Even if you could click both the center and the wheel at once what does that even buy you? Compare that with modern console controllers where each button is independently monitored and you have at least a couple buttons and an eight way directional pad. Even the Wii controller, in its fantastic simplicity, provides an incredible amount of user input from its motion, tilt, speed, and directional sensors.

      This is the same problem with cell phones: they are not designed for games. Despite being able to display lots of colors, they have terrible video performance and some cannot even display smooth animation. We had smooth animation back on the NES and Gameboy! Also, almost all phones can only register one button press from the number pad and maybe some combination including the * or # keys. And of course, a jumble of buttons in the middle isn't really something you can wrap your hands around for any extended period of time.

      I can see a short explosion of games come out of this like the cell phone market with some quick profits, but in the end the games will be 2nd class crippled versions of casual Flash games.

      I'm glad I have my Apple stock, but I'm not about to buy an iPod to play games.
    2. Re:Convergence is what it's all about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's good for Breakout, Super Breakout...
      : P

    3. Re:Convergence is what it's all about by darkgreen · · Score: 1

      ...Photoshop...

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  16. Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    (The screen is white, two men stand, full view, in front of the camera. One is middle aged, and wearing a suit. The other is wearing jeans, a "Think Different" T-Shirt, and an iPod. The suited guy is holding a joystick, and making reflexive movements)

    Suited Guy (PC): "Woah... out of the way... bang, gotcha! Hahah! Oh no. Oh no! Dudududududu! Ha! Who's your paternal-figure? Hey? Hey? Who's your paternal figure?"

    Hip Young Guy (Mac): "Hey dude, whatcha doing?"

    PC: "I'm playing a really awesome game. You play a secret agent, and you have to shoot the henchmen, and... hold on... woah! Ok, you want a turn?"

    Mac: "Oh, come on! Surely you could be doing something productive, like, erm, burning DVDs? I can burn DVDs. Yeah! Make your own movies, it's cool"

    PC: "Yeah, I did that once. Hold on... woah! Gotcha! Haha! Gotcha, what's behind the wall? Oh... hey, it's multiplayer if you want to join in."

    Mac: "Oh, games. Aren't those what games consoles are for?"

    PC: "Depends on the game. This is an mod someone did for Doom 5, so you'd never see it on a console. You just don't get that kind of innovation on closed platforms like consoles. Hold on, I got it! I got the papers! Now, how do I get out? Er..."

    Mac: "You know, you ought to be sorting through the pictures on your digital camera which I can do really easily with iPh..."

    PC: "Yeah, that'd be a real fun time. Real. Fun. Time. Yeah. Sure you don't want a game? Hold on... blam! Gotcha! Where the hell did he come from anyway? Ok, through this wall..."

    Mac: "Oh no, games are such a waste of time. I'd rather do something productive like, erm, manage my iTunes collection. That's something I'm good at..."

    PC: "Me too, you do know I run iTunes right? Aw come on, let your hair down a little. I thought I was supposed to be the stiff."

    Mac: "No."

    PC: "Wait... I think there's a hidden passage here... read it in a forum somewhere... oh yeah, next to the pot plant, got it, extra health, excellent. Anyway, why not? Why don't you want a go?"

    Mac: "I don't want to talk about it."

    PC: "What?"

    Mac: "I said I just don't want to talk about it, ok? Ok?"

    PC puts the joystick down for a moment: "You can't play games. That's what it is, right?"

    Mac: "Right. Ok. So I can't play games. What's the big deal? Nobody plays games anyway."

    PC: "Sure. Nobody does. Right. Yeah, just me. Just boring, suited, me. Not like I play more games than all the games consoles put together. Right."

    PC falls on floor, rolling with laughter.

    Mac: "Ok. OKAY! Now let me turn this photo slideshow and jingle I put together in Garageband into a DVD. Not a waste of time like playing games is."

    Mac walks off in huff. PC picks up joystick and continues playing.

    Fade to black:

    "Apple Macintosh"

    "The Computer That Can't Play Games"

    "But That's Ok Because Nobody Plays Games Anyway"

    1. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You just don't get that kind of innovation on closed platforms like consoles."

      More truth there than you probably meant.

    2. Re:Latest Mac ad by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

      I love working with my Mac, but whenever I see those commercials, I feel drawn to Windows. The PC guy seems so much friendlier and more approachable than the show-off blow-off in the t-shirt. Maybe I should compromise and go Linux.

    3. Re:Latest Mac ad by Surt · · Score: 1

      That was very funny. It reminds me of my peeve about those commercials. I was fine with the one that said that PCs were more prone to viruses, and the one that said PCs crash more, and sort-of ok with the one that said the apps were better on mac.

      Was anyone else bugged like heck with the one claiming that Mac had the better device compatibility? No one in their right minds makes a device without windows drivers, and more than a few make windows only devices.

      That commercial just wandered off into the realm of blatant advertising lies, and actually made me less likely to consider purchasing a Mac.

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    4. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you took it a different way. The point of that ad was that hardware "just works" on a Mac. No fussing around, just plug it in and go.

    5. Re:Latest Mac ad by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      That games section at the Apple store must have been my imagination.

      Isn't that weird? I see it every time I go in there! I must be suffering from detached retinas or something.

      Granted we don't have Half-Life but I'm addicted to RTCW anyway (yes it's older than moses - but between the map-mods and the overall speed from the last great game based on the Q3 engine that cranks decent even on g4's - I'm SO frigging addicted).

    6. Re:Latest Mac ad by Surt · · Score: 1

      I guess, but in my experience stuff just plugs in and goes much better on a PC than on a Mac.

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    7. Re:Latest Mac ad by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Heaven help you when you're reinstalling Windows and you need to feed it three dozen driver disks though.

      I just watched that commercial to see if what you said is true. I don't think it is.

      They start off saying that the Mac networks with Windows. It does. It used to be a big thing that a Mac couldn't talk to your Windows network very well.

      Then the girl comes in. She's a digital camera. The Mac does have very good connectivity with digital cameras. I have a friend who just returned her new HP notebook for a Macbook Pro. She was asking how to get her digital camera working with it. The solution, plug it in.

      So no lies. Macs do all the things in the commercial very well. Without having to pop in a CD (or a FLOPPY!) for each device.

    8. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're talking about any random product at [insert major electronics store] then I completely agree.

      However, if I had to put money on which was going to be easier for my Mother (who is more likely the target of these ads than you or I) to set up--something that's "OS X Compatible" or something that's "Windows Compatible"--my money would be on OS X every time.

    9. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other is wearing jeans, a "Think Different" T-Shirt, and an iPod.

      And his name is "Jimmy Fallon."

    10. Re:Latest Mac ad by Yosho · · Score: 1

      Right, because it's not like you can play any of the Doom games on a Mac. Funny! (but wrong)

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    11. Re:Latest Mac ad by Loadmaster · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. It's the guy from Dodgeball, Justin Long. The PC guy is a correspondent on the Daily Show, John Hodgman.

      Swi

    12. Re:Latest Mac ad by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      As most cameras are just used as a mass storage device, this isn't such a big deal.
      The problems arise when they're not that simple, and you need to find a fix.

      With Windows you throw in the driver CD, or just do a forum search.

      Often for Macs the CDs don't have drivers.
      As for forum searches: Noone knows the hardware, noone knows the problem.

    13. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, it doesn't "just plug in." You install the drivers, may or may not have to reboot, then it "just plugs in." Windows finds the device, "installs" it, and may or may not ask you to reboot. Again.

      Finally, you get to use your camera. What happens if you plug it into a different USB port (or at least root hub)? Windows installs it again, thinking it's a different instance of the same device. Try it sometime. Plug your thumb drive into a port you don't usually use, and Windows will take another fifteen seconds of your life as it clutters the device entries of the registry. It may then ask you to reboot.

      On the other hand, when you plug a digital camera into a Mac, over the course of a couple seconds, the Mac sees the device, mounts it on the desktop, and begins to launch iPhoto. (In the interest of honesty, I'm admitting here that iPhoto itself could launch a lot faster. ;) ) There's a 99.99% chance that this will be the case with whatever camera you bring to the table.

    14. Re:Latest Mac ad by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I've yet to see a camera that doesn't work with OS X except sometimes in the first few months after it's released. Lots of people on forums are quite experienced with any problems that do crop up. Perhaps you're searching Windows forums?

      The other thing the Mac does that's nice for beginners is that it doesn't just mount your camera as a mass storage device. iSync lets you customize what you'd like to happen when you mount a device that contains photos. As a default it opens iPhoto, imports them all and presents them to you as the most recent roll.

      Anyway, the point was that the commercial doesn't lie. The Mac works just fine with both Windows networks (and Linux incidentally) and digital cameras.

    15. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. They make drivers for Windows but Windows doesn't come with them often. If you're talking out of the box, no mucking about beforehand, compatibility then Windows stops looking much better.

    16. Re:Latest Mac ad by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 1

      The Digital Camera thing was so five years ago, it's stupid. Modern cameras all use USB Mass Storage or PPTP, both which are just fine on Windows. Simply not a problem for consumer. It's like when Apple ran adds about "IRQs" when Windows 95 was on the market -- they're just playing to the prejudices of their loyalists and not trying to convert people.

      Now, Bluetooth is something that really does work better on a Mac.

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    17. Re:Latest Mac ad by NekoIncardine · · Score: 0

      "Compromise" on the overall hardest one to use with the fewest games on it (albeit some of the best, especially in the indie scene)? Pardon me not seeing the logic here, but in the context of these commercials, Linux combines the worst of both worlds - the obscurity of MacOS with the program glut of Windows. Comment not meant as a troll, and Linux has lots of advantages when you go beyond what's described in the ads, just saying.

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    18. Re:Latest Mac ad by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Yet people still insist on claiming that Windows has better driver support and Macs won't work properly on your network.

    19. Re:Latest Mac ad by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

      Right, because it's not like you can play any of the Doom games on a Mac. Funny! (but wrong)

      Yes, Mac has games, but they are still pretty limited when it comes to selection and quality of ports. Is there a mac port of oblivion?

    20. Re:Latest Mac ad by nathanh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You missed the part where the PC weenie spends 15 hours downloading drivers and patches only to have his machine bluescreen because the ATI Video Driver 3.4953.3982 (pl2) is incompatible with Direct3D 9.2 (RC3) unless you've got the special RB736239 firmware flashed onto the DMA controller of your ASUX motherboard.

    21. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yet people still insist on claiming that Windows has better driver support

      About half the USB devices that I own (a USB Wifi stick, USB Adsl Modem, and a USB TV tuner) don't have Mac drivers.

      > and Macs won't work properly on your network.

      The underlying networking infrastructure is fine, but Finder is pretty horrible for browsing network volumes.

    22. Re:Latest Mac ad by rob1980 · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, the Mac can play 5 games available on a PC.

    23. Re:Latest Mac ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Kind of funny really. Mac fundamentalism is getting to be so ridiculous it's just bizarre.

      Yes, there are a few games for the Mac. That's nothing to be proud of.

      Just like "Macs can network with Windows based PCs and have support for digital cameras" (even more bizarrely, in an ad that seems to imply that Windows based PCs don't support them. But that's an aside, because that wasn't the ad-maker's point, the ad-maker was just so caught up in what he was doing he didn't see the nuance.)

      Now, you're probably thinking "So?"

      So, the point is: generally, you don't normally yell "Our stuff does do what you expect it to do, just like the competition!" when you're advertising. Normally you focus on advantages.

      Examples:

      Good: The new Saab 960 has a unique turbo charger that gives you all the power of a 5L engine, in an efficient 2L package.
      Bad: Hey, I'm a Saab 960 has four seats! Yes, I can seat four people! Hey, the back seat's a bench seat, so you can probably squeeze five people in me if you have to! So why buy a minivan instead?

      Good: Hershey's chocolate has our special ingredients that make it the tastiest chocolate in the nation.
      Bad: Hi there, I'm a Hershey's Chocolate Bar. Great news: I no longer cause cancer!

      Good: With our advanced new network, Cingular gives you coverage where you need it, when you need it, with fewer blackspots than Verizon or T-Mobile
      Bad: Hi, I'm a Cingular phone. Look at me, I'm receiving a call! That's right, I can receive calls, not just make them!

      Good: There's no faster PC for under $1,000 than the new Dell Xierius.
      Bad: Hi, I'm a brand new Dell Xierius, and I'm absolutely guaranteed not to burst into flames because you've pressed the wrong keyboard combination.

      Good: The new Apple iPod has the best sound quality and longest battery life of all of its peers. And don't take our word for it, that's what Consumer Reports told its readers in July.
      Bad: Hi, I'm an iPod. Guess what! I'm now able to play MP3s!

      You see the difference?

    24. Re:Latest Mac ad by jminne · · Score: 1
    25. Re:Latest Mac ad by LordVader717 · · Score: 1

      You can configure Windows to do the same when you plug in a camera, or make it start some other photo viewing/editing software.

  17. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by JFMulder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't get it why people are complaining about ads so much. These web sites cost money to run, you know? These people do this for a living. I find Internet ads to be a lot less intrusive than a couple of years ago. Ok so sometimes you get those crappy flash ads with sound or some that gets bigger when you roll over, but those are the minority, not the norm. I think that websites like IGN and Gamespot or some "real world" news site to actually have a pretty good way of displaying ads. Once in a while you click on a link and there's a full page ad which you can simply skip by pressing a text link over of the ad. And it's like this on most websites I visit. I took an extra click and an extra second to get there. It's like people who strip ads from thei messaging client. Just don't look at them. Anyway, MSN is minimized 99% of the time, so I couldn't care less about the ad that is there 1% of the time.

    The only places where you can find ads to be real annoying is on torrent sites and such. Considering people go there to mostly download stuff they don't already own, I have little pity for those who complain. Why should I care that someone is bugging you with those ads? You are already in the process of ripping someone else off. And the saddest part is that those website owners make money off the stuff from other people.

  18. Convergence by countach · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of people, including me, are skeptical about convergence. But let's face it, convergence is going to happen, the question is when, and who the winners will be. Will it be the Cell phone people (Nokia, Motorola)? Will it be the Palm people (Palm, iPaq), will it be the Laptop people? (Dell, HP, etc), will it be the OS people (Microsoft, Windows CE, their new tablet PC), will it be the games people (Sony, Nintendo) or will it be the MP3 people (principly Apple). Somebody is going to invade the turf of one of the other players, and somebody is going to be badly damaged. Maybe it won't be this year, or maybe it will. Sometime it's going to happen, and probably Apple is worried as they should be.

  19. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by VirionNW · · Score: 0, Troll

    (Mac guy takes off his "Think Different" shirt and has [Apple Logo] + [Direct X] on it)

    Mac: Hey now, pass that joystick over here, buddy, I'll show you!

    (Fires up latest Quake 8 Mod, which is supported on Vista, OS X, and Linux)

    PC: Wait? What? You're both? Oh geez... I bet you went to that army thing, Basic Training or something, right?

    Mac: R... right... Well, I figured I could just run the standard Id games on my Mac side (including that new Doom 5 mod, now as the standard UB), but this is so much more fun to watch die-hard mac addicts cinge at me doing it in Windows! Wait, let me switch back and fire up iGamer and get the latest content segment...

    (torrented game network launches, updates, closes, 10.5 sure beats 10.4's improvements)

    Mac: There we go, now where was that health pack again?

    (Fade to black MacBook)

    The new platf...

    (Whoops, integrated graphics, fade over to the much better MacBook Pro, there we go)

    The new platform for work, games... Life.

    (Pop up Apple logo with a controller trailing from it)

  20. Add Win32/DirectX to XCode... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    ... This is making more and more sense. Win32/DirectX should be supported environments within XCode, even if the compile target is only Intel, and even if you have to rebuild the GUI in NIBs.

    At the very least, DirectX makes sense given games typically run in fullscreen and don't really care about UI widgets anyway..

    1. Re:Add Win32/DirectX to XCode... by bsartist · · Score: 1

      Win32/DirectX should be supported environments within XCode

      Obviously it's not an officially-supported environment, but there's nothing stopping you from writing Win32/DirectX code in Xcode right now. Just install the Cygwin cross-compiler from DarwinPorts and set up an "external makefile" target. I've also used it to build SDL & Qt apps for Windows.

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  21. Give away some blades; sell razors & blades! by martyb · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You've heard the adage: "Give away the razor and make money on the blades." Right? Like game consoles - subsidize the console and make money on the games. Apple is doing something brilliant here: They could give away the games (okay, sell them for $CHEAP and make money on the player (iPod). From TFA:

    According to the engineer, an Apple hiring manager named Mike Lampell is heading up a group inside Apple's storied iTunes division. The group is specifically hiring for 'C/C++ coders with a gaming background.' (Emphasis added.)

    From: Strategy Letter V. (Commoditize your complement)

    Every product in the marketplace has substitutes and complements. A substitute is another product you might buy if the first product is too expensive. Chicken is a substitute for beef. If you're a chicken farmer and the price of beef goes up, the people will want more chicken, and you will sell more.

    A complement is a product that you usually buy together with another product. Gas and cars are complements. Computer hardware is a classic complement of computer operating systems. And babysitters are a complement of dinner at fine restaurants. In a small town, when the local five star restaurant has a two-for-one Valentine's day special, the local babysitters double their rates. (Actually, the nine-year-olds get roped into early service.)

    All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. (Emphasis added.)

    There is a precedent for what Apple may be doing here. Anyone remember the Atari 800? I bought one just so I could play Star Raiders. I bought it at a store outside Boston (IIRC at a Bit Bucket in Newton, MA) which had this set up on a 5-foot projection TV for video and a 100 Watt stereo driving the audio. The salesperson told me: THAT ONE GAME was responsible for something like half of their sales of the Atari 800. At the time (1980 or so), the Atari 800 cost me about $800... and I happily paid it so that I could play a ~$50 game. AND, once I got the computer, I bought many more applications and peripherals. Star Raiders was the "killer app" of its day.

    Apple might be looking to do the same. Sell some subsidized games on iTunes for little money so as to encourage additional iPod sales. Once he consumer has the iPod, and has overcome paying its (non-negotiable) price, the barrier to buying more things for it is overcome. Increased iTunes sales. Even MORE profit for Apple. A larger market. Synergistic growth.

    Someone else here mentioned about Disney. Kid sees friend playing Disney game on iPod. Kid Wants Game. Kid pesters parents incessantly. Parents buy an iPod for junior to play these nice kid-friendly Disney games. Kids become experienced users of an increasingly dominant platform. [Apocryphally, IBM gave (?) Selectric typewriters to schools to use in Touch Typing Classes. Said students go off into the business world and are faced with klunky manual typewriters. Secretaries all-so-often are the ones who Get. Things. Done. Not too hard to start persuading the PHBs to buy a Selectric typewriter. Lather, rinse, repeat.] Apple has done similarly with schools by offering a significant educational discount for their computers. Microsoft has a student discount for their Office suite. Hook 'em while they're young.

    Here, Apple could hook 'em before they even GET to school! Like I said, Brilliant. Absolutely Brilliant!

  22. Plus he's on the Daily Show... by Corngood · · Score: 1

    ... which is awesome.

    1. Re:Plus he's on the Daily Show... by vistic · · Score: 1

      And he supports Apple, by doing their commercials.

  23. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    1) If I'm paying for something, I don't want to see ads. Like those once-in-a-while full page ads, I find those extremely annoying, even though I'm at least semi-intelligent and have adblock and such installed so it's just an extra mostly blank page to load. But then there's even banner ads ALL OVER the regular pages, even if you have a membership. You have to read the printer friendly version to keep your eyes from bleeding.

    2) Torrent sites only have ads to pay for the cost of hosting the torrents and running a tracker and such, any extra income is (usually) put towards the next month's expenses. I've not seen one tracker making actual money from ads. They're usually run by people that themselves hate ads, but need some way to keep their hobby alive.

  24. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by MrHanky · · Score: 1

    There's nothing sadder than a Mac fanboy who needs to prove his lacking sense of humour.

  25. Re:Give away some blades; sell razors & blades by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 1
    The one problem I see is that (IMLTHO) the current iPod interface blows for anything other than Breakout clones. As a music interface, it's fantastic, but it can barely handle Solitaire.

    Now, if the big screen video iPod rumours turn out to be true, all bets are off, and Sony better watch the PSP's sorry little UMD-using ass, 'cause it'll go the way of the Lynx in a friggin' eyeblink.

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  26. Re:Give away some blades; sell razors & blades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've heard of the GBA, right? Costs very little, has a fantastic game selection (Disney tie-ins up to heavy-duty gamer games like Metal Slug, Doom and Fire Emblem), kid friendly hardware (i.e chewable, you can't break the things if you throw 'em at a wall, colorful, few buttons sized for kids). You have to do something pretty fucking special to be better than that*. Give away a dozen good games and you'd get gamers interested (plenty have ipods already but it'd be another plus), but parents won't ever be buying something as expensive and fragile as a ipod for the kids. If the shuffle could play, maybe.

    *The PSP and DS both managed it, but many other devices have tried and failed. Mobiles, PDAs, other handheld consoles.

  27. Doesn't sound like Apple, though by DavidinAla · · Score: 1

    If this were any other company, I would think about it being an intentional leak. That doesn't seem to be Apple's way of doing things (under Steve Jobs). Apple seems to prefer to present finished projects out of the blue when they're ready for us to buy them.

    David

  28. No by Nightspirit · · Score: 1

    Not only is the mac base relatively small, but it is split between two different chipsets (powerpc/intel). Meaning you can market you game for 90% of the market, or 1% of the market.

    And nothing stops a mac guy from putting a radeon x1900 in his mac.

  29. Rumor management by Gorimek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's an intentional leak, it is to spread confusion. This rumor won't increase any sales.

    Think of it this way: It's impossible to keep rumors of new and important products from happening. Too many people are involved. But if you can drench out the true rumors with tons of false ones, it's gonna be very hard for the public to sort out which ones to believe in. And your product announcements will still be newsworthy and surprising.

    Somtimes I think 90% of the crackpot "Art Bell" theories slushing around on the net and other places are planted by the US government in order to cover up the 10% that are actually true.

  30. The Mac DOES Have Games! by TheZorch · · Score: 1

    You can play a number of titles that are right now some of the hotest in the PC market on the Mac.

    Unreal Tournament 2004
    Battlefield 2
    World of Warcraft (You can't get any bigger tban tbat)
    and many more.

    Goto the Mac section of your local CompUSA story if you are in the US and you'll see them.

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    1. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by unity100 · · Score: 1

      The difference is that, pc does not have only 'some' of the hottest titles on the market - it has ALL of them, and more.

    2. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that, pc does not have only 'some' of the hottest titles on the market - it has ALL of them, and more

      No the 'PC' (that is to say, a personal computer running Microsoft Windows) does not have 'ALL' of the hottest video games titles on the market, by a very long shot.

      That honour belongs to consoles, sales of games for which outstrip sales of hot games for Windows systems by an order of magnitude.

    3. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by unity100 · · Score: 1

      But then this question arises : "are the games on consoles hot because they are specifically built for the console, and being a competitor of a narrower platform (narrow as platform variety but with many numbers), so the console players' numbers make them count as 'hot ?"

      Ie, they are in a relatively unflexible and closed circle, so the high number of console players make the market count these titles as 'hot', not the titles CAN compete with the ones in the pc market and so legally claim the title.

    4. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "Goto the Mac section of your local CompUSA story if you are in the US and you'll see them."

      You'll also see that the Mac section is much MUCH smaller. My cousin is a Mac addict. He's got a great setup, wonderful laptop, and I'm envious of the ease of use. But man, we went game shopping, and it was rather depressing. Apple makes fine products, but please don't kid yourself. If you're a gamer, Macs are disappointing. Just like Windows is disappointing when it comes to up-time.

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    5. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by mowph · · Score: 1
      You can play a number of titles that are right now some of the hotest in the PC market on the Mac. ...Unreal Tournament 2004, Battlefield 2, World of Warcraft (You can't get any bigger tban tbat)

      Yes, but the article is about the speculation that Apple will be actively, internally developing new games, not just making an OS which other companies shoddily port popular PC games to, hoping to cash in on another market segment with little development work.

      A long, LONG time ago, the Mac versions of certain games (the original "SimCity" and Sid Meier's "Pirates" come to mind) were often superior to their PC counterparts -- higher resolution, better interface, actual music and sound. Now it's the other way around -- World of Warcraft, for example, barely squeezes out frames on a dual core MacBook, but boot in Windows XP, and it soars. Mac ports are no longer particularly attractive.

      "I want to buy a Mac so that I can get that game which isn't available on the PC." Malarkey? or Effective Way?

    6. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by goMac2500 · · Score: 1

      Erm, Mac has Battlefield 1, but no Battlefield 2.

    7. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, neither consoles or PCs have all the hottest games. If you want every hot game you need every platform. It is a lucky gamer (or biased fanboy) who can look at a platform's game list and say "I don't care about any of these games."

      e.g., a quick list of hot exclusives and their platforms.

      PC UT2004
      DS MarioKart DS
      PSP Lumines
      Xbox Halo 2
      Cube WarioWare
      PS2 Guitar Hero
      Xbox 360 Geometry Wars

      There are plenty of great exclusive games on systems that are no longer current, too. Luckily emulators take a lot of the hassle out of owning those systems

    8. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by unity100 · · Score: 1

      PC UT2004 DS MarioKart DS PSP Lumines Xbox Halo 2 Cube WarioWare PS2 Guitar Hero Xbox 360 Geometry Wars

      Well, my understanding of hot titles would be the likes of :
      Starcraft World of Warcraft Diablo 2 Knights of the old republic 1 & 2 Dune 2 Duke Nukem Doom Call of Duty X Wing Alliance

      You must have noted that all of these are TREND SETTING games, games which have defined how their genres are going to be after them.

      The titles you name are 'fun' titles, which are rather niche in some point.

    9. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard of bootcamp? just boot up XP (shudder) on your nice shiney mac and run any game you want. plus the new mac book pros outstrip most current laptops so the games run better, you just have to buy another OS thats all.

    10. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Provided you're on an Intel Mac, sure.

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    11. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I meant "hot" as in well known, critically acclaimed, fun, "you are missing out if you have never played this", system seller titles.

      If you don't care about fun and want a list of trend setter exclusives (why?)... this is much harder since many of these systems are new, so trends haven't appeared. Most of your list is quite old.
      Also X-Wing Alliance was an X-Wing sequel, Call of Duty was a Medal of Honor clone, Starcraft effectively a Warcraft sequel... I wouldn't call them trend setters.

      PC The Sims
      DS Brain Training
      PSP Nothing yet.
      Xbox Well, there's KOTOR.... ha ha, Dead Or Alive, Beach Volleyball. Sets a very bad trend.
      Cube WarioWare
      PS2 Singstar
      360 Nothing yet.

    12. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Well, for once, you should note that i do not know, or have not heard any of the non-pc titles you list. Same goes for most pc users.

      Thus, as we havent heard them, yet alone buying the system after seeing them, it appears that there is a catch here.

    13. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, try not to take this offensively, but maybe you should get some friends?

      I was only into PC gaming until I started spending time hanging out at other people's houses, playing with them on playstations and dreamcasts. Now I appreciate that there are great experiences to be had on other platforms too.
      Perhaps you're too old (or young) to be doing that and you've missed the gamer demographic... in which case, sorry. Try the arcade, or reading a site like eurogamer.net to see if something appeals. Or download an N64 emulator and some of these:
      http://members.chello.nl/~c.lieberwirth/n64a.htm
      I thought Nintendo games were stupid until I played Mario 64 on my PC. Now I have a Gamecube and a DS!

    14. Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! by unity100 · · Score: 1

      Well, for my account i started to play games with sinclair zx spectrum.

      However coincidentally, a great majority of my icq list (80+) and msn list (30+) accrued during the course of 98-2006 are pc gamers, there are no console people save only one.

      This i hold as an additional pointer to pc being much more widespread than consoles.

  31. Hmm... Wonder if they can do it... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    Only reason Microsoft has been successful is because they have an ass-load of money to buy up great game studios (Bungie, Rare, the creator of Final Fantasy, and a variety of others). Although Apple is doing well, I have my doubts they are over-confident enough to try buying some big-name companies......

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  32. Good move by vga_init · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I first read the headline, I didn't realize that it was referring to games. Rather, I thought it meant that Apple was getting ready to gear up for hitting the personal computer market. As time passes, they move themselves further and further in that direction; the popularity of the iPod/iTunes, the cheap Mac mini, moving to a different architecture, development and release of OS X. Never has Apple been more attractive to the consumer than they are today.

    And what do consumers love? Games. If Apple can roll out some high quality hits, people will love the game first, then notice the publisher. They'll learn to associate Apple with good things, and next thing you know, they'll be buying one.

    Sure, this is looking at it optimistically; whatever games they are going to produce are really going to have to take off in a big way for this to have more than a marginal impact, but to me it seems like a small step in the right direction.

  33. Re:Hmm... Wonder if they can do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Square Enix is not bought by Microsoft

  34. The Games Make the System by kninja · · Score: 1

    Looking back on every generation of consoles, the most popular and successful systems had fantastic games, many of them exclusive to the system.

    Apple probably won't be able to woo some significant game developers away from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo into anything exclusive, but they can certainly leverage their large installed base of iPods, and create some good first party games that take advantage of the clickwheel and audio/photo features and other unique aspects of the ipod.

    I'm curious to see what comes of this.

    1. Re:The Games Make the System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple probably won't be able to woo some significant game developers away from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo into anything exclusive

      If they were really serious about it getting a foothold in the gaming market, they could just do what Microsoft did-- find an established company that puts out popular games, and get out the checkbook.

      Then announce that they'll remain independent, but all the titles they put out from that point on will be Mac-first or Mac-only.

      ~Philly

  35. what makes you think it'll happen by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it didn't in the computer/game console market. Remember those William Shatner adds where he asked 'why buy just a video game'? Really, why would you. Well for one thing, it's always going to be cheaper to make a device that does one thing well instead of 2, 3 or more things well. Even in the savings are marginal, when you're selling a million of something it adds up. For another thing, it's hard to design a user interface for a pocket size device that's good for playing games, quickly accessing music, managing contacts and notes and playing games. Nokia tried, and failed badly. The more features you have the more complex the interface, if only in terms of options. People are stupid and lazy, they won't work that hard just to save a little pocket room (especially woman with purses).

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  36. That's really not an issue... by 7Prime · · Score: 1
    For one, it's only a very recent issue, so it doesn't go anywhere towards explaining anything about the history of lack of interest in writing mac games (marketshare issues do). Also, most reports I've heard say that Rosetta runs programs about as fast (on Mactels) as their PPC counterparts, so you approach your marketting strategy from the same place every other game developer has done: either develop for only the most current, up-to-date system (the Mactel) and screw everyone else, or take a performance hit and code for machines going back a few years (PPCs & Mactels). This is the reason I don't play Computer games, because most developers I've had the misfortune of wanting to buy from, choose to take the first route, alienating 90% of the population just to get a needless graphical boost. Secondly, Universal Binaries currently are the standard for apple coding, and compiling for the two chipsets, while probably a little more work, pales in comparison to the time spent in development and doing the majority of the code (the work that goes into games is now about only 5%-10% coding anyway, and 90% art/graphic design/sound/conceptualization).

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  37. softimage as well by circusboy · · Score: 1

    Way back when, they bought Softimage so that they would be seen as a player in the 3D and effects market. As soon as the market was established, they sold it off again.

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  38. Re:Hmm... Wonder if they can do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    He was talking about Hironobu Sakaguchi, creator of Final Fantasy who started a new company called Mistwalker. Mistwalker is not owned by Microsoft, but they are developing RPGs exclusivly for the XBox 360.

  39. Not that that's a *bad* idea... by FredFnord · · Score: 1

    ...but the skillset for programming iPod games is a lot closer to the skillset for programming the iPod than it is to the skillset for programming computer games. IMO, an unlikely hire if that's what they're looking to do.

    -fred

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    1. Re:Not that that's a *bad* idea... by miller701 · · Score: 1

      It won't be on the existing iPod chips, it'll be on intel's low power chips (the embedded-type stuff)

  40. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    "I don't get it why people are complaining about ads so much. These web sites cost money to run, you know?"

    Though I agree with the general gist of your post, the sound in the ads is the complaint here. Those of us that use multi-tabbed browsing to a ridiculous extreme would much rather NOT have a bunch of idiotic sound sources flying around. MySpace.com has a feature where you can have your favorite song played right from the page. I opened a few friends pages and heard a strange noise from my headphones. I put them on and ... yeesh ... 4 different songs playing at once. I can tolerate ads, but audible noise is the line they should not cross.

    Slashdot's lucky I haven't heard this ad yet.

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  41. Re:Hmm... Wonder if they can do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry I was thought he was talkin about Square.

  42. mod parent up by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

    Wish I had some mod points.

  43. First game to be announced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woohoo! Apple Freecell!

  44. ah finally by sentientbrendan · · Score: 1

    they're hiring someone to port minesweeper to the mac!

  45. ah... no by sentientbrendan · · Score: 1

    no... not really.

    Osx, is sadly not a "linux platform."

    OSX has benched quite a bit for games than windows on the same hardware... I'm not sure what the slowdown is, but it probably just has to do with mac ports usually being done as quickly and shoddily as possible. I've also heard some people saying that the kernel just isn't that fast, although I'm not sure that would have much of an effect on games.

    I love OSX, but it is definitely not the ideal gaming platform. The fact is that what makes a gaming platform is game industry support, and support from the platform maker, and there's only limited support from both on osx compared to windows or ps2 etc. The truth is there's just more money behind windows game development, and there's no particular reason for that to change.

  46. Apple is a charity... by jdbartlett · · Score: 1

    ...they need all the support they can get.

    This time I needed a new laptop, I needed commercial software. Next time, I think I'll build it myself and go the Ubuntu route!

  47. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by Dion · · Score: 1

    You have got to be kidding!

    You don't strip ads from messenger? I find that incredible.

    Apps that waste screen space with ads are complete eyesores and must be eliminated, either through using other software or by stripping out the ads.

    Why wouldn't you invest a little time in removing annoying ads that do you no good, do you enjoy being taken advantage of or something?

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  48. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

    I think that websites like IGN... actually have a pretty good way of displaying ads

    I don't know if you've been to IGN lately, but the last time I was on there reading articles, they had placed "IntelliTXT" ads on all their pages. Basically, IntelliTXT seeds links over random words in the body. It tries to entice you to mouse over them. If your mouse comes anywhere near the links, BAM - a big yellow ad pops up in some position on the page. Sometimes it vanishes again when you move your mouse, only to appear again randomly. Extremely annoying, especially if you have your pointer sitting idle in the browser window, and you're scrolling with the keyboard... That alone can cause the cursor to trigger these stupid ads, right over the body text you're trying to read.

    However, there is good news for my fellow Firefoxians. If you're using Adblock (and why wouldn't you be?), just add *.intellitxt.com/* to your block list. IntelliTXT loads through tags, which are easily filtered by Adblock. :)

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  49. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 1

    Clarification: IntelliTXT loads through SCRIPT tags, which are easily filtered. (Curse that preview button...)

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  50. Re:Ok. That the last straw for me by JFMulder · · Score: 1

    You're right. I forgot about those. Well, I've learned to ignore them, just like any other form of publicity on the web. I simply move my cursor to the right on the screen when browsing by keyboard.

  51. mac puzzle??? by Bitchxatbxworld.com · · Score: 1

    Well you know mac puzzle needs a redo!!!!!

  52. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by VirionNW · · Score: 1

    Meh, whatever, I personally don't care which OS I use, Win/Lin boxes outnumber Mac ones in my apt (4:2, just about, though the MBP probably throws a wrench into the statistics a bit), but I just think it's silly for people to keep pushing the 'macs can't game' angle now that they can boot any major OS, it's almost as bad as a mac fanboy without a sense of humor. Almost. Well, no, it's just about as bad... In any case, my experience shows that XP still tops OS X in game preformance, hence why I'm quite happy to reboot and game on, not to mention enjoying the full preformance of my Adobe apps (and Flash 8, which always ran better in Windows, anyways.)

  53. Intel Mac is a gaming platform by armagost · · Score: 1

    A gaming platform for the Intel Mac already exists. It's called Windows XP. Dual boot capability is in the beta stage now but will be a standard component of OS X Leopard.

    1. Re:Intel Mac is a gaming platform by Anarchitect_in_oz · · Score: 1

      Why dual boot to Windows?
      If you could boot to the OS on the Games disk itself?
      After all Why Not just treat your Mac or Indeed EFI based white box as a console?
      It's a platform that would complete in the full specutum of the gaming market, from set top boxs thru to the fully spec'ed up BYO.

      Pure speculation, but would sure make things interesting, if you take away Windows dominace in games. Yet it seems like the sort of project that could be very valuable to Both Apple and Intel in the long term.

      Let's face it EFI is as good name for a gaming platform as XBox or Playstation, what with all the Cars and high proformance engines.

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  54. Interesting by purrdeta · · Score: 1

    I always wonder if this is a good thing or one of Apples decisions gone awry. You know they tend to do that a lot.

  55. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Fact: Of the 6 models of Macintosh that cost less than $1,500 (one iMac, two Mac minis, and "three" Macbooks), only one (the iMac) is capable of playing modern graphics-intensive games.

    Macs can't game.

  56. Re:Give away some blades; sell razors & blades by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    Sure. Look at all the people who bought X-Boxes so they could play Halo.

  57. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by VirionNW · · Score: 1

    True, but who expects a laptop under $1500 to be a serious gaming machine? I mean I would have bought the Acer 8200 if I was going for a pure Windows mobile solution that could game (and I'd still be well over the $1500 mark), I fail to see where this fact makes any difference. My last laptop was a Compaq and under 1.5k, it sure as hell wasn't a gaming machine when I bought it. (and it had an Ati Mobility, which quite possibly is even worse than most intel integrated solutions)

    Considering the speed of the low-end macbooks it's not suprising the video is poor (gotta cut costs and create a preformance gap between you low and high-end somewhere), you have the same type of thing happening with low-end Dells and ThinkPads, too. Both those manufacturers make fine low-end laptops, but they also use the same crappy integrated graphics (with lots of shared memory, oddly just like my old Compaq...) Also, the 'macs can't game' thing doesn't really mater, it's the same hardware these days (intel chipsets), basically you should say 'Fact: things with integrated graphics can't game', which is just common-knowledge then and would sound equally as ill-considered and quick-typed.

  58. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    True, but who expects a laptop under $1500 to be a serious gaming machine?
    The word is computer, not laptop, and yes, we expect to find reasonable numbers of computers for under $1,500 that are good (doesn't have to be "serious", good is good enough) gaming machines.

    Apple sells one such computer. Not only that, but none of the computers that are left can be upgraded to have decent enough graphics. Your $500 Dell just needs a $100-200 card slipped in. Your $800 Mac mini can't even have that.

  59. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by VirionNW · · Score: 1

    Well, more or less true, but those cheap Dells often skimp on decent upgrade slots. Now it's been a while since I dug around, but if they're like the last one I fixed there's probably no AGP/PCIe slot, but only two PCI/PCI-X slots.

    The mac Mini is really just an issue of form factor, most PCs of that size couldn't take an upgrade either. On the upside, the $800 mac mini still has rather decent specs for it's size. I only mentioned the laptop since that's the majority of models mention in the previous post (both are computers, I think you meant desktop), and I personally feel that the Mini is roughly a laptop sans the screen/keyboard (and roughly piced appropriately.)

    Of course they don't market it as a gamer's machine, though, so this is kind of a moot point. Not marketing it as a media center machine directly isn't helping it much, as I feel that's where it belongs. I think we should wait and see what Apple offers in a tower-format, the pricing of the low-end PowerMacs (or Mac Pros) would be better suited for this discussion.

    As an aside, I would really prefer to build my desktops for just this matter, neither Apple's nor Dell's desktops appeal to me price-to-preformance-wise. (hence why I haven't bought a tower since '97, and that was IBM no less) The upside is Windows is licensed for most any machine, unlike having to use the awkward OS X86 process to use Apple's OS on a self-constructed setup.

  60. Most Mac systems "do stop you" ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1

    And nothing stops a mac guy from putting a radeon x1900 in his mac.

    Purchasing an iBook, iMac, Mini, MacBook, MacBookPro certainly does.

  61. iTunes for PSP! by ernst_mulder · · Score: 1

    Well, my guess is that you're all thinging in the wrong dirtection.

    My guess is that Apple wants to bring out iTunes for other platforms, such as the PSP. Apple is entering the gaming industry with ... iTunes.

  62. Apple? Games? Ha! by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

    This has to be a total friggin' joke.

    Look, they can't even get Open GL to run at reasonable speeds on OS X. Actually, it's so bad that 1-year old laptops such as mine (12" powerbook) don't even reach minimum specs to play friggin' Civilization IV , for chrissake.

    Actually, their latest move of not including a decent GPU on the Macbook is a pretty strong indicator that they don't give a fuck about games, gamers, the gaming market, or game publishers. What, do they really expect even casual gamers to shell out 2000 bucks for a system (iMac Core Duo or Macbook pro) with decent (not even top-of-the-line) graphics?

    But oh, wait, of COURSE: the article is about shipping games to the goddamn iPod. What a bunch of total friggin' idiots. They should get out of their happy iPod bubble and take care of their computer division sometimes. Now that they have a decent processor, they'll still manage to ruin the show by using crappy integrated graphics like they're some cheapass Walmart assembler.

    (note to Apple: this is not just my rant, everybody remotely interested in playing games on mac just went berserk on the Macbook graphics fiasco. Just put an X1300 or better on the black-expensive Macbook and all the complaints will go away).

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  63. Re:Latest Mac ad, 30 second spot by VirionNW · · Score: 1

    Geez, the one guy bashes Apple and he gets "Funny", I make a light-hearted counter-parody and I get "Troll", and I'm primarily a Windows user, no less! (this, this is humor, just to clarify.)