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Sony Fakes Blu-Ray Demo?
twasserman writes "Lance Ulanoff of PC Magazine reported on Sony's recent event showing the new VAIO AR desktop with a Blu-Ray drive, observing that Sony faked the high-def demo by using a plain old DVD+R of House of Flying Daggers. Even before the rootkit fiasco, Sony has seemed increasingly desperate, but the general consensus seems to be that Sony is looking pretty sad and pathetic." Update 03:07 GMT by SM: Many users are calling shenanigans on this one since there were two laptops side by side, one with the Blu-Ray demo and another for comparison. Independent confirmation or negation has yet to surface, so take with the requisite grain of salt required when reading any news.
A company faked a demo? I'm shocked....SHOCKED, I tell you!
It sounds like Lance Ulanoff from PC Magazine is jumping the gun. According to notebookreview.com: It sounds like Ulanoff was in too much of a rush for a scoop and didn't realize this when he ejected what was very likely the comparison DVD. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good Sony bashing, though.
Trolling is a art,
So, wait a second. We've got some guy on some site that has pictures of a DVD in a drive, and this is somehow proof that Sony faked the whole thing? Aren't there just a few holes here?
1) Sony has the tech, why on earth would they resort to a DVD?
2) Why would they use a DVD+R with no label when they distribute the actual DVDs?
3) Why would Sony use a Verbatim DVD+R?
4) How do we know that machine wasn't supposed to be running a DVD to compare to a computer next to it running Blu-Ray. (Quite coincidentally, there are no pictures of the disc from that machine.)
5) How do we know the picture wasn't staged by someone anti-Sony?
6) Howcome nobody else is reporting on this?
I know Sony's no saint, but this just doesn't make any sense at all.
They are like M$, they can't do anything anymore without bad press.
Perhaps we should start using $ony when having a whinge about them.
You get what you give though.
The last real demo of a new product was Windows 98 at COMDEX on April 20, 1998.
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Thib ;-)
don't let the truth get in the way of a good story now
This is the problem with jumping to conclusions without any more evidence than a single photo of a burned disk, an empty case, and a computer being juxtaposed. Your IQ may or may not have been toyed with by the OP. After reading the article from notebookreview.com though, I'm somewhat inclined to believe that you've been had. So . . . is anyone gonna pay now?
HA HA!
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As others on the Gearlog site have asked, why did he put a DVD+R in a cake? : p
This guy's the limit!
Dumbass journalist alert!!!
Repeat after me: DVD is not HD.
Would Sony use a burnt DVD for display ? Possible (hey, there's idiot students everywhere), but unlikely. Would Sony use a regular DVD for comparison versus Blu-Ray ? Certainly!
It's not like they have to fake it, they have the drive. They probably have demo content too. I'm pretty sure Blu-Ray video is encoded at a much higher resolution than boring old 720x480 Mpeg-2 DVD. Now maybe if our overzealous reporter had taken a moment to actually examine the demo and see the difference, maybe even chat with the Sony media monkey, perhaps he would have come up with a more valid article. Or maybe he did all that, but decided the notoriety of his lies would be a bigger hit.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Even if the reporting of the "faked" Blu-ray is a complete load of hogwash, it doesn't excuse the fact that Sony bootlegged a movie. Would the MPAA like to find out about that? If that much is true, and if there was no proof of an original DVD of the film anywhere to be found, then what's to say that Sony haven't image tweaked the burnt DVD+R to a lower encoded video quality, in order to help with their performance? Did anyone see the original blu-ray disc of the movie?
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This article is exactly what Slashdot needs. Because now, whenever some asshat throws around the term Libel without knowing its definition, you can point to TFA as a proof-of-concept!
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So, I work on Blu-Ray players(not for Sony), take that for what you will.
Aside from the article submitter trolling, I would like to state that Blu-Ray is more than just a laser. It's an entire format complete with a software virtual machine.
When we test content it comes on a DVD-R, we're testing layouts of files, VM access, decoding, video quality etc.
Now I don't know what was at the booth, but it is certainly possible that they were showing off their software Blu-Ray player with the content burned onto a DVD.
In other news, the Motion Picture Association of America takes on a legal battle against Sony. Sony allegedly made unauthorized copies of one of its own movies, House of Flying Daggers. Sony also allowed an unlicensed public performance of said film.
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In other news, Gearlog fakes news story by not mentioning that the DVD+R was being used for a comparison.
Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
Data is data.
The video very well be high definition. They could have simply put a high definition data file on a standard DVD to show what it would look like.
Still faked demo but not as bad as you are making it out to be.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
I'm even more shocked! Press journalists are known to be corrupt and inept, but a blogger screwing up.... well that really makes you spill your cup of tea!
Engineering is the art of compromise.
But, then, I'm female and we're used to faking it realistically.
Okay, I don't know why our poster thinks engaget is the "general concensus", perhaps he finds their comments section mentally stimulating (click the link in the headline and scroll down).
Regardless if this was faked or not, I don't trust all these band-wagoning fools here or there. All you have to do is read my previous posts that were modded as troll, flame, etc when I predicted a fiaso with Sony's Blu-ray and PS3 releases. People saw big numbers, wanted big numbers, and completely forgot about Sony's failures in the past.
Kind of reminds me of the idiocy supporting support for multiple wars a couple of years ago. People like to believe things and completely turn off the part of their brain that comprehends history's lessons.
Looks like the rootkit fiasco made people a bit too eager to find something else to bash sony on.
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scroll down the comments posted by the Original Poster of the artice, i quote
"We're sorry!
Posted by: Jennifer DeLeo
Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:41 PM
Ok. We admit it. We were trying to come up with ways to get hits to our website. We knew if we somehow could make it look like Sony was caught in a wb of lies, every gaming and electronics site would link to us. We would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
"
i rest my case
Fake.
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http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=
It will work. It will be in the PS3. It will have a huge market just because of the PS3. It therefore will not go away. Yes sony sucks, but for some reason everyone and their dog will buy the ps3. It guarantees Bluray's success.
A couple of minutes after a story has been posted, some user will post a comment that explains that the original article was totally and utterly wrong.
New codecs like h264 can compress an HD movie and fit on a regular DVD.
That extra will be great for backups..
Shall we schedule your dunce cap fitting for tomorrow? Just make sure your mommy straps on your safety helmet before you walk out of the house.
As others have noted, it'd perfectly reasonable to think that Sony burned a DVD with a clip that used Blu-Ray's compression and bitrate setup. This leaves out the hardware portion of the demo, but would be a relatively fair comparison.
Think of it this way: if you were doing a DVD/SVCD comparison, you could run both off of CDs -- you'd just encode the MPEG2 file for the DVD demo and burn it to a data CD.
Is it a *totally* valid demo? No. But it's not a particularly outrageous lie.
Damn shame /. doesn't allow us to demerit its own postings when they are so bogus and designed to inflame and slander. These postings really undermine the credibility of /..
I think they are more like Intel a couple years back - one bad PR gaffe after another - non-stop. Sony really needs to get its act together...
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
Blu-Ray? They were doomed to fail when the abandoned the much cooler acronym style of naming such as... HD-DVD. Didn't they learn their lesson with Betamax vs. VHS? What video store is going to advertise, "Rent Blu-Rays Here!"
-matthew
"THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS ONLY ME." -Death
Could Slashbots BE any more eager to make up bullshit to trash Sony with? Good to see /.'s editorial integrity is keeping to its... high... standards.
you know what I hate!?
When more than one news channel has the same story . . .
Ugh! It disgusts me to no end.
I mean, really! Was the demo to show off the technology and the HiDef resolution, or was it to showcase the underlying media technology? If the former, and the story is indeed accurate, then shame on Sony. Ah hell, based on the rootkit, their membership in the RIAA and MPAA, attempted hijacking and elimination of Fair Use rights and right if first sale, it's clear that Sony has no shame.
If it is the latter and they were using a small amount of Blu-Ray-encoded/resolution files on DVD-R media with a custom build designed to recognize Blu-Ray content on a DVD due to what could be a scarcity of notebook form-factor Blu-Ray drives for the demo, then there isn't so much of a problem, except that if that were the case Sony should qualify the demo with "by the way, this is our software technology demo, using DVD-R media for this demo, blah blah blah" just to avoid the negative PR fiasco that you see here.
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It's a Swny
Someone will open a PS3 at E3 to they find out its just a ps2 with a new case...
Scandals are sexy + Sony's recent E3 unveiling + This article + The Internet / Pie (lemon meringue) = Amusing anecdote with which to pass the time != (News || TheTruth)
Yeah, great. You were all duped.
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The laptop on the left was running a DVD demo, and the one on the right was Blu-Ray. You know. To show the difference...
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=
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I don't think I can come up with a zinger to top Sony's latest blunder.
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
If you can't post faster, you have to post better stories..
How does it feel to show all of Slashdot what an absolute moron you are? I'm remembering your name and I will repost your thread for everyone to see everytime you show your stuidity.
There's an easy way for them to prove it's true if it is, or fake if it's not. While there's still a 50/50 chance that the demo was a fake, all we have to do is ask "What's on the other disk". If it's only a DVD, it should be a real version of the movie, should it not? And if it's a BDRom, then that will come out too. We've seen one, let's see the other.
Is it just me, or has Sony gone decidedly down hill since the new CEO started? It's a real shame that not every single piece of equipment in my entertainment center still bears the Sony name ...
Sony has ZERO credibility when it comes to demos. The fact that so many people accepted this story pretty much proves it. They fake demos left and right. (remember the "PS3" demo from LAST E3?) And when you're a tech company, and people won't even believe your PR any more, you've got MAJOR problems.
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House of Flying Daggers was a great movie.
Don't buy the anti-Sony astroturf, Sony is no worse than the companies trying to make you believe the >CoinNewWord>astrosmear>/CoinNewWord>.
==Sony-raping, the fad du jour.==
I love all the comments from everyone saying "wait till the MPAA see this" or "it'll be funny when the MPAA do them for piracy".
fucking plebs.
House of Flying Daggers is a "Sony Pictures" movie. MPAA can't do shit to Sony for copying their own movie. They are the copyright holders. They can do whatever they want with it.
So, the truth "finally" starts to dirbble out.
.. but for the 26 million Sony (Balony) Corp
... in gurth around the middle and ... dead meat!
Sony! That behemouth! That pervayour of
Uber TECHNOLOGY!
Is a FRAUD!
Oh
employees.
What a waste
in all those Tokyo University graduates which
Sony (Balony) loves to hire from year to year;
what a waste of meat
Toodles!
Whichever format Nintendo selects for the Wii is going to be the most popular format for years to come!
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Found this as a comment on the site, who knows if its legit?
Sony Responds
Posted by: J Piazza, Sony Employee
I would like to clarify this issue regarding the content that was shown last night at the Sony VAIO 10th anniversary event.
The demonstration in question was a side-by-side comparison of Blu-ray Disc recorded content compared with a DVD recording of the same content. The identical notebooks were each playing the Sony Pictures release, "House of Flying Daggers"- one notebook showing the DVD format and the other showing the Blu-ray Disc format.
The photograph taken by one of the reporters attending the event was of the DVD version used for demo. The Blu-ray Disc media had no label.
I can attest that the disc in question was a Blu-ray Disc as I organized the event. The Blu-ray Disc media used, though not a final master, was encoded and displayed using Blu-ray Disc technology and rendered in true 1080p resolution. This resolution could not possibly have been duplicated using a DVD. I hope this clears up any confusion.
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One of the replies to the blog: Whether this was really a Sony employee or not, this argument is backed up by other sites.
Oh well. Never let the facts get in the way of a story...
I agree the story is a fake, but I think I missed something... Lance Ulanoff did not write that article. Nor can I find and article from Lance Ulanoff reporting on this. The only article linked is from a two-bit reporter Jennifer DeLeo who claims this is what Lance Ulanoff said. Moreover, read the post made by the ACTUAL AUTHOR in the comments section of Gearlog, several posts down:
"We're sorry!
Posted by: Jennifer DeLeo
Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:41 PM
Ok. We admit it. We were trying to come up with ways to get hits to our website. We knew if we somehow could make it look like Sony was caught in a wb of lies, every gaming and electronics site would link to us. We would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
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There are countless other reasons it is obviouosly faked too; shame on all of you gullible idiots.
Sony is a group of companies. Grouping them all together and making general opinions of the company is a big mistake. They have many divisions, and many of them make good products. Sony IS a clear example of how making too big of a company is a mistake. However, I am reading more and more about how people will never buy another sony device becasue of this and that. I would recommend checking out their TVs and monitors separately from their software and media, they are clearly not managed by the same people.
You are not happy with these products? fine so stop buying MS, Sony, Apple, Dell and all these dumbass corporations...
There are plenty of other manufacturers or software vendors but you are so full of their shitty propaganda and so lazzy to look around that you buy anyway then cry.
i still find something puzzling about this comparison..
why a DVD+R? DVD+R holds ~4.7GBs of data while a commercially produced movie DVD holds almost double. anyone who's made a movie back-up using dvd shrink or other transcoders degrade the video quality. comparing the original DVD with the transcoded version shows a significant difference if you have a quality display.
why didn't sony use a regular commercial DVD instead of a copied version?
is it possible that they're comparing a degraded DVD back-up version to a blu-ray version? if one can tell the difference between original DVD and backed-up DVD, then of course there will be a significant difference between this backup and the blu-ray.
that's even leaving out the fanatical preaching of using taiyo yuden discs as well ;)
Well that was the most obviously trumped-up story I've ever seen - what's next, Sony Tortures Kittens And Laughs Heartily?
I'd say the anti-Sony cabal have jumped the shark with this one.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Ok something mor of dirt for sony. The dvd r that was found is a Verbatim Mr Sony the"slam bam" of electronics doesn't seem to have funds to use their ond brand and now it wants to take it know on us video gamers... lets go al to 360 and convince konami and capcom to bring their great titles Well now a days SONY seems to be wanning to hang it self to bad i used to love the playstation 2
is slashdot and the Sony haters. I never even seen so many hate articles for Microsoft. Now we have articles that are worse than hearsay -- this is slander. I don't care how much you hate Sony, but be at least responsible about what you post here. How many Sony hate fests have we had here now in a week?
FOAD!
You can encode a CD blank in DVD format. This is nonstandard, but it works, sort of. Most software players on computers will play the thing. A few standalone DVD players will play it, but most will reject the disk, hang, or crash. It tends to work on low-end DVD players that use computer drives, because those drives can crank up a CD to 48x or so and get the data rate of a DVD.
Can you do the same thing to put HDTV on a DVD blank? That would be useful for short pieces, and very useful until low-cost writeable HD/Blu-Ray drives appear.
Every time someone posts something like this I go to Digg... and see dozens of examples completely inane/utterly worthless/disgustingly badly-reported shit I'd rather not slog through.
Seriously, this is like going to church to go tell everyone how awesome atheism is.
(also, your post kind of doesn't make any sense. you simultaneously expect slashdot to produce a story like this and expect it to be better? what?)
*burns karma*
"Quoting yourself is stupid." -Me
Even a DVD+R can hold HD data. It's not as though the media itself is inherently "high definition", it's the data held within that counts. The point is, however, that DVD+R cannot hold a feature-length film within its comparatively miniscule capacity of 4.7GB. The BluRay disc, according to spec, can hold a standard of up to 33GB of data, which is plenty for feature-length HD content, and more than twice that of a standard single-layer HD-DVD (15GB), which is also capable of holding feature-length video.
It's all about the capacity, folks. You guys should know that!
Screw the rules, I have green hair!
it amazes me that even though their last two 'revolutionary' formats failed spectacularly (betamax and minidisc) sony is still fighting for blue-ray... at this point, hd-dvd is already hitting the market, and sony is faking blue-ray DEMOS... they'd probably make more money if they ditched blue-ray and started producing hd-dvd players / recorders... but i guess, from their standpoint, that would be losing...
now is the winter of our discotheque
I've been here a long time, and all these Sony bashing stories on the front page over and over are the worst I've seen. I'm beginning to wonder if they're sponsored. Slashdot has always been about low quality, but now I wonder about the integreity of the site. They've started posting nothing but hearsay of hearsay from blogs these last few days.
Why not just add a 360 advertisement and write a fake PS3 review tomarrow? Don't laugh when it happens. I don't care if it's the 360 or the PS3 -- all this does is pull everyone down posting garbage like this day after day. At least post a real hate story next time if that's all slashdot can do to get hits these days.
A company that has good industrial design. A company that really does invent stuff (like Philips does) and isn't full of M$ "Innovate TM" BS.
What have they done wrong? Oh right! They are Japanese so they can't be good can they...
realkiwi
If you wonder why you see these serial FUD stories about Sony in a week, yes, it's all planned by Microsoft that wishs the failure of Blu-ray and PS3. For one, Microsoft paid money to Engadget. It's quite funny and ironic to see naive Slashdot geeks become the tool to propagate the FUD fabricated by Microsoft.
Gearlog very clearly faked the story. Very subtly.
Exhibit 1) The two laptops are DIFFERENT:
Take a look at the first photo and notice the blue on the side of the laptop. The left laptop's side has a thinner blue stripe--with the top half being black and bottom half being blue. The right laptop has a much thicker blue stripe.
Exhibit 2) Blu-ray laptop is on the RIGHT:
Photo two shows the blu-ray logo. Look at the laptop side, the blue stripe is thick! The blue stripe includes the drive cover. It's the laptop on the right.
Exhibit 3) DVD+R laptop is on the LEFT:
The last photo shows the DVD+R disc. Notice that the blue stripe is missing near the front of the laptop (just like the laptop on the left). Also the drive cover is black. In Exhibit 2, the drive cover is blue.
Therefore, Gearlog faked the story. Or just an idiot that can't remember which laptop was which when he pressed the button.
The purpose of the demo is to show what the improvement will be like with Blu-Ray.
You can do that with a DVD! You only need a couple of minutes and can easily store that on a DVD. You use exactly the same codec as the Blu-Ray version, get the higher resolution, and allow people to compare. The Blu-Ray version will look better. Perhaps they are using a DVD for various reason. It's only a demonstration!
Why are all you so naive!? They do this sort of thing all the time. Advertising dog food - The dog doesn't like it. They use another brand. Showing a photo of the company founder? It may well be an stand-in. A celebrity endorsing a product? They may not even have tried the product. Advetising is like that. Why pick on Sony?
There's still one glaring problem. Let's say the guy was an idiot and of course it's wrong. Either way, we are still comparing a burned DVD movie to a BluRay movie. Now, I don't know if anyone could tell from the picture if it's a Dual Layered DVD, but since I'm guessing the real movie is a dual layered disk, there'd still be at least a little compression if using a +RDL, and a lot if just +R.
So tell me, Sony's trying to show off quality. Don't you think there's something fishy about a BURNED DVD being used for comparison? Wouldn't it have been logical, and rightly more accurate, to get an off the shelf copy of the movie, stick it in, and sync them?
I hate to say it, but Sony still pulled a fast one on everybody, just not the fast one this article claims.
Please view both laptops at http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2 939/. Duh!
Exposure for _House of Flying Daggers_ Very cool movie
I know they hate Sony here on slashdot but really more en more the bias is becomming a frikking joke. Especially when you are even posting "non stories" like this just because the "we at slashdot hate sony so we don't give a darn if its correct or not as long is it bad press" attitude.
News for nerds stuff that matters ? Hardly they should change it to 'Slashdot - Fair and balanced'.
Well, let's put it that way, should Sony sink, I'd offer them a glass of water or an anvil, but still, even they should be tried by the same standards I want to be tried on.
If someone claims a demo to be rigged, he should produce some evidence. Not the other way 'round.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I am sick and tired about people bashing Sony saying samsung is all good. (I have no connecton to Sony)
- fake-part-xxvii-samsung-admits-to-knocking-off
... Sony IS the biggest and best company of those two!
Samsung where copying some Apple design and got into a lot of trouble this was not very well covered in the press.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/05/keepin-it-real
Hyping Samsung does not help
Hmmm, so Sony make a "backup" copy of media that they own and broadcast it in public. Legal precedent here? Is there a lawyer in the house? :-)
They are like M$, they can't do anything anymore without bad press.
May be it's to blame Sony Music. Sony has great products. I like, and have bought, a lot of them.
I think that Sony Music must change it's name to Rootkit Music or whatever they want, and dissociate the Sony image from RIAA and the like. Because Sony it's Cool (PSP, Vaio,...), but prepotent music companies aren't.
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I don't think anyone else has said this yet so I'll throw it out there. IIRC BD-9 is a format for Blu-Ray. This format uses existing DVD+/- discs and reads them with a red laser. This, obviously, defeats the biggest purpose of Blu-Ray discs because they have a much smaller capacity. However, for an early demo such at this, if Sony wanted to show a 20 minute clip of the video and was not able to get their hands on a Blu-Ray disc, then they would conceivably use the BD-9 format to put HD content onto a normal DVD. This would allow for 1080 HD content to be shown, and compared to the normal DVD on the other laptop. So the DVD+R could very well have been used in the Blu-Ray drive *and* also be producing true HD video output.
Or maybe any news that you read on Slashdot
Personally I don't care about the latest console.... However, I won't buy any other Sony DVD players because of past experience. A couple years ago I bought a somewhat expensive ($250) Sony DVD player. I year later it was broken. Compare this to the $39 Wal-Mart no-name player that's still going strong and you know why I think Sony is doomed.
Not only that, but Ulanoff writes for PC Magazine, best known for the writings of tech visionary John Dvorak(?!). Oh, and Dvorak's student-in-troll-studies, Jim Louderback.
PC Magazine is, sadly, one of the worst examples of tech journalism out there. They're almost a parody of a tech magazine.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
Shenanigans? I better go home and get my broom!
I doubt that Sony would have done something as risky as that seeing as they have a whole legion of nerds (AKA Slashdotters) breathing down their neck ready to pick them apart.
Who couldnt make HDTV rendering 3years ago, make it a 1080i mpeg2 file and most 2ghz PCs could play it, or dual cpu boxes.
If you are that hard up on cpu cycles, then even MPEG2-IFRAME, ie M-JPEG, ie 25fps JPEG stills could easily do HDTV
in 2001 CPU power. Since jpeg decoding is so fast.
Sure you would do only 10-20min on a dvd, but enough for a demo, and on a 20gig HD, easy to do a movie - resampled/digitized
from a real print into full 1920x1080i or 1376x768 if your cheap.
So all these HDDVD demos could have been done 3-4 years ago on a CRT, or expensive ass LCD/projector.
Yes, the software layer is more effort for the VM, but jeeze guys, get the managers of their ass, it could have been
speced/designed in 1998 - just use flash if your cheap on r&d, or java like mobile phones.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
It was a typo.. The first slashdot should be Digg..
oops
You want HD DVD mpeg2 samples
get em here
http://www.digigami.com/megapeg/samples.php
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/samples.htm
or just get a $80 HDTV digital tv card and record your tv shows to HDisk
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
You do know that your blue line is actually a silver finish, which will reflect light and such from it surroundings?
Exhibit 1: See how close the laptop is to the edge, therefore the half silver side, is reflecting the table and the rest the dark flooring.
Exhibit 2: See how the laptop has been moved all the way into the middle of the table. Making the silver finish reflect whole table.
Exhibit 3: See how the laptop is not aligned with the table. The back of laptop have some table which it reflects, while the front is dark because it reflects the floor.
two words seem to be missing from the end of this post... "on slashdot". ie.
"so take with the requisite grain of salt required when reading any news on slashdot"?
Where the fuck did this expression come from? It sounds like something a fifth grader from Kansas would say.
Look at the pictures - in one - the background is brick, in the dvd+r pictures it's wood. Also - who cares? Either they had two laptops side by side showing the visual benefits of blue ray or they didn't. Let the person making the comparison decide. Everyone knows it's a data medium and the data happens to be higher in resolution and bitrate. If it's a 10 minute demo it doesn't need the same capacity. Retail stores stream HDTV from a hard drive - no one seems to mind since they understand that it's a demo.
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Independent confirmation or negation has yet to surface, so take with the requisite grain of salt required when reading any news.
Especially on Slashdot.
He knows that and you don't seem to.
s ony-pictures-to-use-mpeg-2-on-blu-ray/
http://homeentertainment.engadget.com/2005/11/29/
And as to the vast amounts of content you see on the net that are HD and reencoded, many of them aren't true HD and many of them don't look particularly good.
I know MPEG-4 is a lot better than MPEG-2 for video. But even with only good quality (ATSC), TV shows take 8G an hour. Now you want to squeeze that to 0.360G? 24X? And BluRay is supposed to provide superior quality picture, not good quality picture.
Top Gear takes about 0.300G for an hour of content. And it still doesn't look perfect and it has 1/5th the pixels as a movie.
Just because you can strip enough bits to get it to fit a CD doesn't mean the quality is there.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
The site proving that this was a side-by-side bluray vs dvd demo, states that "the difference in quality is instantly noticeable", and it should be obvious why... Someone previously mentioned that compressing a movie to DVDR reduces quality significantly (depending on the method used), but I think Sony took it a step further and overcompressed to a DVDR so they could make SURE that the movie was low quality, probably far lower quality than a normal backup. That is the only reason they could have wanted to use a DVDR in such a situation; they wanted to make Bluray look really good. How else would the difference in quality be so "instantly noticeable" on a laptop screen (and in an assumably short viewing period for the people herded by it)?
Boy do I wish I hadn't just pressed reply.
A DVD+R (the one shown isn't DL) is 4.5G of course. What's wrong with me thinking of CDs?
You're right. With H.264, at 4.5G for a 2 hour movie you could get very good results. With 9G (dual layer), I figure you could get nearly perfect results perfect results.
Boy do I feel stupid. I apologize. I musta had a brain lock.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/8/20/95
So the only post that clearly shows why this article is a fake gets 30% overrated?
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if the retail stores were demoing video players then yes it would be fraudulent to fake it with a harddrive playback. bluray content should be demo'd with bluray drive and disc since its a showcase of the entire bluray technology, not just hd alone. hd video itself isn't new or anything like that. its sad that months away from release of a ps3 they can't even put out a movie demo
It's not fraudulent - they didn't sell anyone anything - it's a demo. They will sink or swim based on their ability to deliver. Personally I want the whole blue ray/HDDVD thing to just be over with - it's hurting everyone to have these guys battle it out and even with the actual product being out, I still won't decide with my personal funds - let everyone else figure out who will win.
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Even if this guy opened the normal non Blue-ray laptop, why was Sony using a DVD+R to show a side by side comparison with the Blue-ray player.
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You can see the comparison at this site. The picture in question is about halfway down the page
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=
What I am getting at here is a DVD+R has half of the capacity of a normal DVD and when you shrink it you get a very noticible quality degredation, so if Sony was comparing Blue ray to this other laptop running the same movie with on a DVD+R this is NOT even remotely a fair comparison.
Everyone knows that DVD has enough capacity to store the same content using H.264 as BD using MPEG-2. It's not about the disk capacity or whether it's DVD or BD. It's about the encryption.