unfortunatly the collage would have to be around nine miles long and five miles high, constantly having every last bit of it altered by thousands of people, to compare in any way. The allegation that SCO specifically kept its mouth shut for a while in order to make sure they had a large pool of sue-ables is more serious than the more likely claim that they are merely full of shit. The real problem with your example is that it's too close to the actual situation. If you can see fault in someone stealing your copywrited photograph and adding it to the bottom left corner of a huge collage you're working on the top center of, you probably already understand what is wrong about stealing code and redistributing it as free code.
In both cases, the Linux Kernel itself isnt the problem. SCO couldnt care much less that their code is being used in a product they sell, the problem is its use in products they dont sell. That is the viral nature of the GPL in this situation: the code is free, and now the code can spread like a virus.
Is this whole concept bullshit? Yes. Is SCO full of shit? Yes. Should SCO lose all legal rights for refusing to publically state what it is they believe to have been violated? Yes.
But none of that is at issue here. The issue is: Can I take the code which you have licensed to me, sneak it in to code which we both contribute to and both distribute as OSS, and be free from any charges of IP Theft or contract violation only because you dont have people checking every line of code contributed to the main bit of it against code from closed projects you happen to have. Sure, SCO has people who look at code, SCO may have people who happened to look at the exact infringing lines of code. Does this relinquish their rights? Of bloody fucking course not. Not everyone browsing contributed Linux code for errors is going to be a fucking expert on the SCO Unix source AND have a photographic memory AND be anal-retentive enough to actually bother to check. If somebody who worked at O'Reilly as a proof-reader came across a line from a non-open book which they didnt proofread [but was published by O'Reilly], there's no reason to expect them to instantly recognize it and decide that this chapter shouldnt go in a free online book. Let's say the chapter is about Death-Rays and was only distributed to IBM and the Coca-Cola corperation under a strict NDA. This open book has nothing to do with IBM and Coca-Cola, but Coca-Cola happens to be one of the contributers (due to their expertise in object-oriented programming, of course). The book is published completely free-of-charge and open on the internet, and it's 27,000 pages long. (broken up into roughly 10 million chapters and a thorough appendix). Now, does O'Reilly lose their IP rights to their insightful chapter on Death-Rays found in their expensive and closely-gaurded book about Death-Rays? More importantly, can Coca-Cola be held responcible?
Gee, how much code can we use this trick to steal before anybody catches on?
They never put their code under GPL. They licensed their code to IBM, who put the code into a GPL product both companies were using. Let's mess up the metaphor a bit in order to let your feeble mind comprehend a few things: Instead of a garage sale, it's a "Free shit" sale. They're giving away shit for free. Instead of a random person, you're the same person who runs a museam which Mr. Seller's jewlry was being displayed at. Instead of breaking into the person's house, you just brought things over from the museam, put them in the Free Shit box, and bought the Box. Next you give the contents of the box away to random people on the street.
Despite being a more accurate representation of the situation, that one is ugly. Oh look, it's still going to favor Mr. Seller, too. Would you like to go away now?
Non-disclosure means that any company which is curious to know what they are legally responsible for has to agree not to let anyone else know. That means, basically, that if they tell you what code they want you to pay for, you can't throw it out and develope replacement code: By agreeing to their terms of telling you what they want you to pay for, you agree to pay for it.
But let's say you're at a garage sale, and one of the things they're selling is "Random Boxes" that have a bunch of useless crap in them, but it's only 25 cents and you can get some neat things in there, like an old puzzle game or something that came with a happy meal seven years ago. So you break into the person's house, steal all their jewelry, throw it into one of the boxes when the person isnt looking, and buy the box for 25 cents.
Now, I'm not a legal expert or anything, but I'm pretty sure I know which party the courts would rule in favor of.
Though I probably missed it. If this is discussed elsewhere, sorry. A number of questions are often asked about The Matrix, usually more as attacks against it than as actual wonderings. Doesnt the whole thing violate thermodynamics? Why use humans at all? Why not gentically engineered flesh-sacs with heartbeats? Why do they need to view the Matrix "in code form"? Wouldnt it by its very nature be easier to see if the computer converted it to the images it sends to the brain?
All of this is answered in one line: "There are levels of existence we are willing to except"
It isnt the body's heat (though there's no reason why they couldnt also harness it just so that it doesnt go to waste) the machines want, it's their conciousness. More specifically, they're sub-concious. The Matrix isnt a world created by a machine, rendered, and shot into the person's eyes. It exists as it does only in the human mind. The machines link the minds together, send various information into the brain, and all that information is assembled by the conciousness into the Matrix as all experience it. That's why you can bend a spoon- the spoon doesnt exist anywhere at all outside of human conciousness. There's no machine anywhere carefully chugging away keeping track of what a spoon looks like, all it needs to say is that a spoon exists. All these AI's, on the other hand, are just tagging along for the ride. They skip from conciousness to conciousness, sometimes pushing the other person out of the way temporarily, and always doing something very important: existing. In this movie we see that the AIs care about living and experiencing, and they can be petty and frail, or at least they could be at one point. All these "older versions" of the Matrix, in which Agents would be stand-alone programs and travelled by way of back-doors instead of jumping into a person.. And then my friends tell me to shut up when I talk about how Neo reallocated Agent Smith's swap space, thus allowing Agent Smith to understand the concept of memory allocation. Just because it's bullshit doesnt mean it's not true! Anyway, stopping here to allow others to speak.
I seem to recall in that "Behind the Scenes" matrix thing, they talked about other things the W's have done. In that part they mentioned how in the script for their movie, they wrote "This is the Sex Scene, and we're not cutting it." Just makes you think that this wasnt something added-in, that they just wanted to show something entirely human going on.
That said, it sucked and the movie would have been better without it.
you could be a moron, and people who notice things are smarter than you not because they are impressively intelligent, but just that you are impressively stupid.
"The lyrics today are stupid! My hip hurts! My penis wont get hard anymore!" Congratulations, nobody cares about your individual opinion. "Except in extremely rare cases", nice how you're just plain wrong.
Have you considered just dying off? I hear it helps your mobility, except in extremely rare cases.
And you want me to "DO NOT PANIC", too. Seriously, what the fuck? Here's a hint for conversation: respond to what the person says, not their name. IT MAKES YOU LOOK SMARTER.
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What is it was litterally impossible to break? What if it could be infinitely reproduced at no expense? What if it's already existed for years, is Open-Source, and incredibly popular? What if it was just a game engine that could be used over a network and all that was required was AI?
Quake1 CTF bots are much better than MIT robot bullshit.
How many movies tend to get made vs how many are good? There are always many crappy movies for every good one, I dont think that's changed. It's not just for lack of explosions/flashy effects that Hitchcock's movies wouldnt be successful today.
given a finite number of monkeys at a finite number of typewriters, and an infinite ammount of time, they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. We have evidence of this having happened at least once. Given an inifinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, they will instantaneously produce the complete works of shakespeare, along with every other potential written work of the universe.
People just expect of me to go into debt with no way of ever hoping to pay it off, I tell them to go fuck themselves. Debt is too accepted in this country. Think the government would be billions in debt if it wasnt just plain assumed that you should put yourself into thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt before even earning a liveable income? I hate you people.
I'm on Windows2000, all latest updates installed, no active desktop, and every bit of explorer crashes: every window, even if it isnt displaying a web page.
- This crashes explorer as a whole, due to integration - To do it, use an [input] tag outside of the [body] tag, name the property "type" but don't define it, ie: [input type], not [input type=text].
From the sphere? Not going to say that's out of the question, but there's no need for it whatsoever. Enterprise has had enough time travel to make anyone groan. As for "Budget and makeup techniques", that much is obvious, but not at all what I was talking about. Look at the way people were assimilated in TNG vs how it happened in Voyager and First Contact. In Voyager they made it clear that the nanotech was a recent technology. Maybe you're just too knowledgeable about Star Trek technology and it's obscuring your logic gland.
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unfortunatly the collage would have to be around nine miles long and five miles high, constantly having every last bit of it altered by thousands of people, to compare in any way. The allegation that SCO specifically kept its mouth shut for a while in order to make sure they had a large pool of sue-ables is more serious than the more likely claim that they are merely full of shit.
The real problem with your example is that it's too close to the actual situation. If you can see fault in someone stealing your copywrited photograph and adding it to the bottom left corner of a huge collage you're working on the top center of, you probably already understand what is wrong about stealing code and redistributing it as free code.
In both cases, the Linux Kernel itself isnt the problem. SCO couldnt care much less that their code is being used in a product they sell, the problem is its use in products they dont sell. That is the viral nature of the GPL in this situation: the code is free, and now the code can spread like a virus.
Is this whole concept bullshit? Yes.
Is SCO full of shit? Yes.
Should SCO lose all legal rights for refusing to publically state what it is they believe to have been violated? Yes.
But none of that is at issue here. The issue is: Can I take the code which you have licensed to me, sneak it in to code which we both contribute to and both distribute as OSS, and be free from any charges of IP Theft or contract violation only because you dont have people checking every line of code contributed to the main bit of it against code from closed projects you happen to have.
Sure, SCO has people who look at code, SCO may have people who happened to look at the exact infringing lines of code. Does this relinquish their rights? Of bloody fucking course not. Not everyone browsing contributed Linux code for errors is going to be a fucking expert on the SCO Unix source AND have a photographic memory AND be anal-retentive enough to actually bother to check.
If somebody who worked at O'Reilly as a proof-reader came across a line from a non-open book which they didnt proofread [but was published by O'Reilly], there's no reason to expect them to instantly recognize it and decide that this chapter shouldnt go in a free online book. Let's say the chapter is about Death-Rays and was only distributed to IBM and the Coca-Cola corperation under a strict NDA. This open book has nothing to do with IBM and Coca-Cola, but Coca-Cola happens to be one of the contributers (due to their expertise in object-oriented programming, of course). The book is published completely free-of-charge and open on the internet, and it's 27,000 pages long. (broken up into roughly 10 million chapters and a thorough appendix).
Now, does O'Reilly lose their IP rights to their insightful chapter on Death-Rays found in their expensive and closely-gaurded book about Death-Rays? More importantly, can Coca-Cola be held responcible?
Gee, how much code can we use this trick to steal before anybody catches on?
PS: Fuck you.
They never put their code under GPL. They licensed their code to IBM, who put the code into a GPL product both companies were using. Let's mess up the metaphor a bit in order to let your feeble mind comprehend a few things:
Instead of a garage sale, it's a "Free shit" sale. They're giving away shit for free.
Instead of a random person, you're the same person who runs a museam which Mr. Seller's jewlry was being displayed at.
Instead of breaking into the person's house, you just brought things over from the museam, put them in the Free Shit box, and bought the Box.
Next you give the contents of the box away to random people on the street.
Despite being a more accurate representation of the situation, that one is ugly. Oh look, it's still going to favor Mr. Seller, too.
Would you like to go away now?
Non-disclosure means that any company which is curious to know what they are legally responsible for has to agree not to let anyone else know. That means, basically, that if they tell you what code they want you to pay for, you can't throw it out and develope replacement code: By agreeing to their terms of telling you what they want you to pay for, you agree to pay for it.
But let's say you're at a garage sale, and one of the things they're selling is "Random Boxes" that have a bunch of useless crap in them, but it's only 25 cents and you can get some neat things in there, like an old puzzle game or something that came with a happy meal seven years ago.
So you break into the person's house, steal all their jewelry, throw it into one of the boxes when the person isnt looking, and buy the box for 25 cents.
Now, I'm not a legal expert or anything, but I'm pretty sure I know which party the courts would rule in favor of.
yeah, I woulda just called you a moron and been done with it.
Moron.
It's time for people to shut up about the "humans as a power supply" deal.
I liked it better the second time.. I knew which points to ignore, so I could just focus on the action, not on the Orgasm Cake.
What? No! Not troll, this time I was stating a perfectly valid counterpoint! you people just dont understand at all.
Though I probably missed it. If this is discussed elsewhere, sorry.
A number of questions are often asked about The Matrix, usually more as attacks against it than as actual wonderings. Doesnt the whole thing violate thermodynamics? Why use humans at all? Why not gentically engineered flesh-sacs with heartbeats? Why do they need to view the Matrix "in code form"? Wouldnt it by its very nature be easier to see if the computer converted it to the images it sends to the brain?
All of this is answered in one line: "There are levels of existence we are willing to except"
It isnt the body's heat (though there's no reason why they couldnt also harness it just so that it doesnt go to waste) the machines want, it's their conciousness. More specifically, they're sub-concious. The Matrix isnt a world created by a machine, rendered, and shot into the person's eyes. It exists as it does only in the human mind. The machines link the minds together, send various information into the brain, and all that information is assembled by the conciousness into the Matrix as all experience it. That's why you can bend a spoon- the spoon doesnt exist anywhere at all outside of human conciousness. There's no machine anywhere carefully chugging away keeping track of what a spoon looks like, all it needs to say is that a spoon exists.
All these AI's, on the other hand, are just tagging along for the ride. They skip from conciousness to conciousness, sometimes pushing the other person out of the way temporarily, and always doing something very important: existing.
In this movie we see that the AIs care about living and experiencing, and they can be petty and frail, or at least they could be at one point.
All these "older versions" of the Matrix, in which Agents would be stand-alone programs and travelled by way of back-doors instead of jumping into a person..
And then my friends tell me to shut up when I talk about how Neo reallocated Agent Smith's swap space, thus allowing Agent Smith to understand the concept of memory allocation. Just because it's bullshit doesnt mean it's not true!
Anyway, stopping here to allow others to speak.
I seem to recall in that "Behind the Scenes" matrix thing, they talked about other things the W's have done. In that part they mentioned how in the script for their movie, they wrote "This is the Sex Scene, and we're not cutting it."
Just makes you think that this wasnt something added-in, that they just wanted to show something entirely human going on.
That said, it sucked and the movie would have been better without it.
you could be a moron, and people who notice things are smarter than you not because they are impressively intelligent, but just that you are impressively stupid.
That was TROLL, not FLAMEBAIT, you fucking morons.
"The lyrics today are stupid! My hip hurts! My penis wont get hard anymore!"
Congratulations, nobody cares about your individual opinion.
"Except in extremely rare cases", nice how you're just plain wrong.
Have you considered just dying off? I hear it helps your mobility, except in extremely rare cases.
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you are an idiot.
#5 is "sue indebted university students"
And you want me to "DO NOT PANIC", too. Seriously, what the fuck? Here's a hint for conversation: respond to what the person says, not their name. IT MAKES YOU LOOK SMARTER.
it sounds like maybe the guy isn't in Minnesota. Go fuck yourself.
If only you had shut up after the first sentence, no one would know how fucking stupid you are.
You are an idiot.
What is it was litterally impossible to break? What if it could be infinitely reproduced at no expense? What if it's already existed for years, is Open-Source, and incredibly popular?
What if it was just a game engine that could be used over a network and all that was required was AI?
Quake1 CTF bots are much better than MIT robot bullshit.
How many movies tend to get made vs how many are good? There are always many crappy movies for every good one, I dont think that's changed. It's not just for lack of explosions/flashy effects that Hitchcock's movies wouldnt be successful today.
given a finite number of monkeys at a finite number of typewriters, and an infinite ammount of time, they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. We have evidence of this having happened at least once.
Given an inifinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters, they will instantaneously produce the complete works of shakespeare, along with every other potential written work of the universe.
Don't disrespect Infinity!
People just expect of me to go into debt with no way of ever hoping to pay it off, I tell them to go fuck themselves. Debt is too accepted in this country. Think the government would be billions in debt if it wasnt just plain assumed that you should put yourself into thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt before even earning a liveable income? I hate you people.
I'm on Windows2000, all latest updates installed, no active desktop, and every bit of explorer crashes: every window, even if it isnt displaying a web page.
- This crashes explorer as a whole, due to integration
- To do it, use an [input] tag outside of the [body] tag, name the property "type" but don't define it, ie: [input type], not [input type=text].
ta-da.
From the sphere? Not going to say that's out of the question, but there's no need for it whatsoever. Enterprise has had enough time travel to make anyone groan.
As for "Budget and makeup techniques", that much is obvious, but not at all what I was talking about. Look at the way people were assimilated in TNG vs how it happened in Voyager and First Contact. In Voyager they made it clear that the nanotech was a recent technology. Maybe you're just too knowledgeable about Star Trek technology and it's obscuring your logic gland.