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Nmap Featured in The Matrix Reloaded
rajiv was among dozens to report that unlike most "Hacks" in film, The Matrix reloaded actually has an ounce of reality where other films would rely on fancy 3D graphics. You can see more at Insecure.org where they have screenshots. It's only on screen for a split second, but
Tritnity uses Nmap to find a vulnerable SSH server, and then exploits it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit from 2001.
I like her password: Zion1010
Slashdot has an interview with security legend Fyodor, admin of the famed insecure.org and author of the world's cheapest port scanner, nmap.
The best part of this interview is that Slashdot does not often interview criminals. Many Slashdot readers know that Fyodor used his tool to illegally attack a college student in 2002, for his personal amusement but also to the benefit of Slashdot's admins. For those that don't know the story, I will present a brief summary.
*Those individuals interested in independently verifying the facts presented in this article should skip to the "Verification" section near the end.
Sdem had created a hoax account entitled electricmonk, and used it to post this comment pronouncing that we was actually a cute Linux booth babe. "electricmonk" left an email at Yahoo and encouraged Slashdot readers to get in touch.
Fyodor proceeded to do so, boasting of his previous exploits with women he'd met online. He was even helpful enough to attach a picture.
This is where the story turns ugly. Sdem responded with a truthful email, in which he advised Fyodor that the whole thing was a hoax. After that, sdem posted a log of his exploits to sid=20721 (trolltalk), mentioning that he had tricked Fyodor and referring to many of the biters as "wankers". This apparently really set Fyodor off, and he began to plot criminal revenge.
First, Fyodor dug through insecure.org's referrer logs to find what IP address had requested the picture of Fyodor & his paramour. Using this information (and the logged User-Agent), Fyodor knew from the get-go Sdem's IP address and O/S. From this point, he launched nmap against Sdem's box (he didn't have the money for a more effective port scanner) and was greeted with the holy grail of sorts for BlackHats: an open X windows server on port 6000.
Sdem had been running an X-windows server for Windows on his Win2k box. Fyodor was able to bypass the authentication on the X-windows server and used the X-windows server to take complete screen captures of Sdem's machine whilst sniffing and recording keystrokes.
Fyodor proceeded to take hours worth of screen captures, including information on a "secret troll irc server" that sdem was using. Fyodor wrote a detailed writeup of what he observed, including an irc robot used on the server to detect new Slashdot stories for the purpose of early posting. Fyodor also mined and posted as much information about Sdem as he could find, including his real name and contact information. Jamie McCarthy used this illegally obtained information shortly after it was posted to log on to the irc server, monitor the bot, and modify Slashdot in order to break the story monitor.
Fyodor even submitted his "troll hunting" story to Slashdot, though it was rejected.
After he was done hacking Sdem's computer, Fyodor posted his screen captures and a log of his breakin to www.insecure.org/tmp/trolls. The content was removed 24 hours later. He went on to boast in sid=20721 about his "troll hunting finale". While sid 20721 is regularly cleaned, a cache of Fyodor's boasting about his illegal break-in is available here. Very interesting reading.
So, while Fyodor's interview is no doubt very interesting, I think that, as an accomplished (and due to the lack of prosecution very successful) criminal, the nature of questions given to Fyodor in the interview don't do justice to the type of expertise this man
Cuz I didn't read about it on every other tech-news site four days ago. lets do the time warp again...
In response to :-
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> The Matrix reloaded actually has an ounce of
> reality where other films would rely on fancy
> 3D graphics.
So in several hundred years time people STILL won't have patched their bloody SSH holes?
Yah actually I guess that is reality
AL
When I went to the 1AM showing on release night, there were a lot of interesting people.. When it got to the hacking scene, only a few people cheered, however, they did it with enough vigor that everyone else was caught of guard.. And when I tried to explain to the guy nibbling his foot next to me, "Nmap," I just got a blank stare...
Where did the nmap folks get all these screenshots of a movie that's ostensibly fresh-in-theaters? And why oh why did they name their sources? I'm imagining Agent Smith from the MPAA will be giving out a few cease and desist visits soon.
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It is great that movies have become so realistic that they actually portray an existing (at the time of creation) ssh exploit!
http://tomgould.com/
Severla hundred years in the future and still, IPv6 hasn't been adopted. Personally, I'm not suprised. It'll take an act of god to get it deployed.
--CTH
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reported yesterday by one of our slashdotters ;)
I still miss the swordfish like graphics though.
It was a lot more exciting - with Trovolta going yes! yes ! from the back.
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
"...Tritnity uses Nmap to find a vulnerable SSH server, and then exploits it using the SSH1 CRC32 exploit from 2001.."
:)
Now THAT is sexy!
Now we know that we cannot hack into the Matrix from our Personal Computer:
As you can see on the screenshot, the IP is 10.2.2.2, which is on the 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 network reserved for private usage.
It's impossible to reach such an IP directly (without hacking their server / router / firewall first) from an arbitrary point of the Internet.
Damn!
Aside from the amusing idea of having someone hack a computer program using their avatar inside the computer-generated construct of the Matrix, this sameness of the Matrix over long time periods raises an unanswered question in my mind. Why don't the people notice the lack of advancement in the Matrix? Over a hundred years of 1999-ness... no stunning advances in CGI, or science, or anything!
Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?
While namp is a neat hack, before any of you juvenile deliquents think of using it to commit computer hacking felonies, be aware that it is easily fooled.
If you look at the source code, you can see which ports it queries, and which responses it maps against. We used this for great affect at Adequacy, http://www.adequacy.org, editing the registry of our Win 2k box, and the configuration files of the various TCP/IP programs to make it appear as a simple FreeBSD to the casual hacker.
Oh, the laughs were on us when those script children proceeded to attempt to hack us with canned scripts for use against FreeBSD, only to fail. The looks on their pimply, greasy faces were probably priceless, only to be matched when the local law enforcement arrived at their parents house to confiscate their computers.
A. Rightmann
so, exactly how did they acquire the movie screen shots (legally)?
Ah, the last peanut -- overflowing with the oil and salt of its departed brothers. -Homer
How do they have screen shots ?! Is it possible that this movie has been leaked out to the INTERNET?!
It's madness I tell you, madness!!!
Still waiting for disc 2 to d/l, so I can verify this for myself. Purely for educational reasons.
"This must be a Thursday, I never could get the hang of Thursdays."
This was actually sorta cool when i read it in this story.. It was interesting to see her portscan then jump into the server.. The chick sittin next to me wasnt aware of anything about it because she doesnt use linux, but i was like "OI!!! Thats real! look look!!! SSH!!! LOOK!!" .. then a few people looked at me weird :s
I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
Pictures can be found on Fyodor's site.
Oh, and I must say, that Trinity freakin' kicks ass. As you can see from the pictures, nmap says "No exact OS matches for host". Trinity goes ahead and throws the sploit anyway without knowing the system's architecture AND IT WORKS!
That just kicks ass.
A big Eartha-Kitt-Cat-Woman growl for Trinity.
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Your user ID is triple-6, triple-9. Yuo are the k3wl!
I saw the movie last night and was disappointed generally, in that it was not as good as the first movie, but sequels are produced with the recognition that each sequel will have 2/3 the audience of it's predecessor, so I guess it's proffitable, but at some point producing sequels will devalue the original to the point where it will affect the overall perception of the franchise.
My biggest objection is Trinity has lost her whole S&M mystique in favor of this nice cuddly feel. Seems a real shame. Oh Well.
--CTH
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Are you sure that it wasn't Fyodor himself?
Is your company running tools written by ma
In this article, I'm surprised by the following quote:
"I think there are at least two public exploits in circulation right now," said Zalewski, in a telephone interview. "They just got released about a month after the advisory. And I know there are some that are not public."
I though security through obscurity was something only Microsoft did? Why are there ssh exploits that we (the users) don't know about? Everyone has access to the code so where are these millions of eyeballs? It appears there's only a few who are able to really decipher the source code and understand it.
You should never log in as root :x
Now if only that human body as a power supply thing made a lick of sense.
I hope some Saberhagen Berserker's show up in the next movie and settle everybodies hash real good.
My beautiful Trinity is nothing more than a lousy script-kiddie! :(
slainfu
"I can't be a terrorist if you're sucking my bum."
Keep seeing posts about "in the future they still have this hole" or similiar items.
;-)
Remember, folks, the hack wasn't taking place in the future - it was in the Matrix. They weren't hacking the machines, they were hacking the "fake" computers in the power plant.
Think of it like hacking into an ancient copy of usermode linux.
Trinity is a supar 1337 h4x0r!!! SSH rules! Nmap rulez! I love you all! Mod everyone up! Almost all of these comments are insightful!
"The envelope, please."
"And the award for the best open-source hacking tool used in a motion picture goes to nmap, for it's cameo-appearence in Matrix: Reloaded"
"Camera scans the audience where we see tripwire, sitting with his girlfriend ethereal... cuts to ndiff, who is just beaming w/ pride..."
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
The great thing about watching the Matrix in a theater in Mountain View, CA, is that when that hacking scene came up, half the theater laughed or cheered. We're all geeks here.
[insert witty quote here]
If you will remember the movie, that computer _was_ on a private network. She had to break into this private secure office building before she even began hacking. So she was behind the firewall already because she was physically in the building.
If cracking someone's system, then why shouldn't you login as root? You might get caught? You're probably going to get caught anyway, so it doesn't matter too much. There's not too much point trying to get into an ordinary user's account since there's no guarantee that a particular username exists. The only one you can be reasonably sure of is "root".
And once you have logged in as root, can't you just do:
/etc/nologin /etc/init.d/sshd stop
$ touch
$
$ killall -9 mingetty
$ killall -9 login
to stop someone else logging in and stopping you?
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
This has been mentioned on /. more times than any human can count since the movie was released. This story is -1, Redundant.
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The trilogy status hasn't been so obvious with The Matrix because, at the time of making the first part, the producers weren't sure if it would be worth it. As a side effect, the first part is a rather well contained story in itself, which is not a bad thing in a trilogy. Still, the first part left many important questions open, like the awakening of the rest of humanity, and any details on Zion.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I must admit that I'm surprised (yes I haven't seen it yet), but positively so, that a filmmaker has finally moved beyond the flashy 3d crap, most prominently featured in Jurassic Park .. "It's a Unix system!" ... *barf*
Its been posted on The Regsiter since May 16 (16 May 2003 3:12pm) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30747.html
(link) and today May 18 and Slashdot is just now posting the story about it?
~Sigh.
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Why are there ssh exploits that we (the users) don't know about?
Are you trying to be funny, or did you not understand the statement you quoted?
This is completely normal, as they're usually kept out of the public's hands by the black hats that write them.
Sheesh, learn a little bit about security before you go trolling.
One of the other available screenshots actually shows a command prompt, which appears to be just "RF-CONTROL>", which is rather odd. (No bash in the Matrix?) And there's a command in $PATH called "disable", which is executed as "disable grid nodes 21 - 40". Hmmm. I don't recall any tool written with getopt which would handle that sort of thing by default. And best of all, it actually gives a confirmation message. Huh? That can't be right. No UNIX tool gives a confirmation message without your prompting it to. It even has "ARE YOU SURE (y/n)" plastered across the centre of the screen!
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
Hopefully she took the time to NAT it so they wont have to break in to turn off the lights.
I know I know..they often use ip that's local, but still it is the first major step for Hollywood movie. I mean, it is just a movie, why would they even bother to make such technical step forward into hacking scene? Well, since they have done that, it shows that they have true profession in film industry ;)
Your argument was pretty good, apart from that!
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I knew this story was a lie when you mentioned a chick sitting next to you.
Unless of course this chick was with another guy or of the feathered variety, I have no choice but to call bullshit.
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you /.ers really are slow aren't you?
What gets me is how some people go out of their way to nippick the movie to pieces "oh this is stupid, this makes no sense" and others love it so much that they read WAY too much into it.
:P
Take all the religous and phylosphical stuff about it. Yes, there is a lot of connections in there, it was put in the same way that other good story tellers use myth to make their world and stories feel more real and grander. The first Star Wars trilogy comes to mind. But then you have people who think every little thing is an intentional reference to something or other.
One example. I heard that Neo dies for 72 seconds before he comes back to represent the 72 hours (3 days) Jesus died. I timed it, and it's crap. You can find 72 seconds in there, sure, but there is no place you can say "okay logically you start Neo's death here and his coming back to life here" and it adds up to 72 seconds. Very fuzzy logic going on there. But it is symtimatic of how much people want to find meaning in things like this.
Is this a bad thing? Perhaps. One of the complaints I've heard of the sequal is that it's trying even harder to sound psudo-religious-phylosophical as a result of this faction of the fandom base.
Tolkien said it best when he got annoyed at how people thought The Lord of the Rings was an analogy for World War 2 (and would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how people tried to equate the movies with September 11 and the war against terrorism).
"I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'alegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author"
Hey, didn't Morpheus himself say "free your mind"? Stop thinking every gawd damn word is meant to be spiritually profound!
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Check the screenshot. The IP address is 10.2.2.2, which is NOT a public IP address.
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"I know this. It's a Unix system!"
They screwed. They've used IPv4 address for private networks.
Why movie makers can use something more real?
10.2.2.2 is not as bad as IP's from "The Net" with Sandra Bullock - xx.374.x.x is certainely not a valid address.
10.x.x.x class was used in "Antitrust" to address satellites. Justified - they were on internal net for sure.
But hacking from open net is not possible with that kind of address.
I know that using real IPv4 address (like 66.35.250.150) is not desirable.
But maybe not? Maybe WB should pay Michal Zalewski and have him secure some box, connect
it to the internet and then use real IP address in movie? That would be fun - the box itself could store some unpublished photos or something like that, related to Matrix. Let's the hackers hack and give them something to hack for.
My advice: next time you try to show some IP address, show some IPv6 address from class 324f::. Nobody wil be hacked and it will not look so much pathetic as 10.x.x.x
:wq
Off-topic on the nmap discussion, but on-topic as far the Matrix goes, here is something I just thought of. It's pack full of spoilers for reloaded and speculation about revolutions, so consider that your warning.
SPOILERS AND SPECULATION FOLLOW:
Now, the theory that Zion is really a matrix within a matrix has been floating around and I happen to agree with it. The premise of the movie, I think, is that not only is Neo "The One" from the first layer of the matrix (which was exposed in the first movie), but happens also to be the small percentage that becomes "The One" in the second layer of the matrix, something the machines didn't count on.
As for him having to make a decision between saving Trinity and saving mankind, I don't think he's gotten to the choice yet and that will come in revolutions. The Architect said that the expulsion of humans from the first matrix servered a purpose for the machines, so, theoretically, perhaps Morpheus, Trinity and the rest of them are actually computer programs, to assist moving the dissident population of the first layer of the matrix to the second layer. Of course, there is a possibility they are not aware of their own existance. This would explain Morpheus' adamant belief in "The One" (it's been programmed in him). Of course, Neo's love for Trinity complicates things and I think that will be the choice in the third matrix. He will have to decide between destroying this second layer of the matrix, which would destroy Trinity the computer program too, or preserving it because of his love for her.
Feel free to point out flaws, because I'd really appreciate that.
The "Alias" series on TV also features quite realistic computer manipulation. SSH, "ping -f", traceroutes, recompiles, etc...
:)
They pushed realism quite far: in one particular episode (can't remember the name, but this scene takes place in Mexico), one of the agents goes undercover as a DJ, and uses an iBook (macs are popular among musicians and DJ's) instead of his PC laptop, for more realism... Cool
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If anyone is reading an article on Slashdot about The Matrix without having seen the movie gets what they deserve. If they don't want to be spoiled, they should avoid reading these articles. I'd rather people be responsible for their own actions.
-S
--- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
Well, I suppose the PVC-encased chick script kiddie is better than non...
Please help metamoderate.
It's time for people to shut up about the "humans as a power supply" deal.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
There are many comments that say the 10.2.2.2 is not reachable from the open net. Okay, what we need is for someone to buy a Class C IP range, never assign any of those IP addresses to any machine, and then announce to film makers that they can safely use any of those addresses in their movies. That should settle the need for IP's in movies without using private addresses or invalid ones.
Believe in things of which no person has ever learned
Two mistaken complainets that EVERYONE seems to be making:
1- She was fully justified in using 10.x.x.x address. After all, she was on the INSIDE of the power plant, not the open net. Why go through all the trouble of breaking into the plant if she wasn't obviously going to be on their private network.
2- She was INSIDE the matrix, so it was present time 1999-2000, not hundreds of years into the future. Exploiting vulverable ssh servers is not far fetched in the present day.
You people need to go watch the movie again.
If they put a private IP in this number the whole octet would need to be abandoned. This is analogous to using the fictional 555 prefix used for all phone numbers.
Then again...what's the ip for the RIAA?
better than in "The Net", where the ip could never happen (xxx.3xx.xxx.xxx)...
I couldn't help notice that they used a really cool looking customized version of Mac OS X (atleast that's what it looked like) when Mystique infiltrated the government building to retrieve a couple secret documents. Does anyone have any screenshots of that?
She's got sense enough to use a sploit, but she chooses a feeble password like Z1ON0101. Come ON, Trin, only 2 character classes, only 8 characters ? -sigh-
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LoL just saw this site while browsing the web, its hilarious!
http://matrix.techshock.net
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would have been using IPv6 Trinity might not have accessed the system so easily. However, Link could have uploaded her more advanced hacking techniques so no matter how you look at it she was getting in.
Of course a movie like Matrix Reloaded is going to go through the trouble of hiring consultants. It is imperative that they get those all-important 1/2 second screenshots correct. If they got it wrong, they would have a backlash on their hands. Or would they? I wonder... it may give a lot of fans a feeling of superiority and make them like it that much more.
*SPOILER BELOW: continued reading forfits all rights and spoiler bashing ;)*
;)
;)
I agreee with your insights.. something is definatly strange about the entire last scene of the movie.
One thing I believe that may have slipped in on your observations is that in the end of the movie - Neo can feel the machienes. The first matrix was about the ability to go beyond relaity, and to move past the possible (in a pysical sense). This looks like the next matrix will evolve more so then the previous. Neo does not seem to have superpowers - but his instinct told him something about the machienes.
Also.. the guy next to him in the bed. Remember in the begining - the agent goes through the phone after turning into an agent? I'm speculating that programs have the ability to go into different parts of the matrix..
Ever wonder if the second matrix (what they think is them outside of the matrix) is just a test to see if anyone can ever break the matrix - and everyone who thinks they have broken free of the matrix are still actually in the matrix?
Perhapds the machines digging are a futureistic anti-virus programs just taking their own representation in the "real life" matrix?
The third movie is definatly going to get my money on opening night
Comments, opinions? Insights!!? Please tell
Mod me down im a newf (wiki)
Or I should more accurately say the the guys hosting the supporting websites dropped the ball.
...so let me see, how hard is it to put up a friggen website on time? Rememind me to never consider hiring these clowns for anything mission critical.
I just picked up the "Enter the Matrix" video game and while the video game itself is so-so, the "hacking" portion was almost more fun than the rest of the game. My problem is that while you're digging around at this console, you get several URLs as leads to follow for more information.
Well guess what, none of them, not one single damn one of this is up and running, prepared to receive the traffic from this game. I've already written Redpill.com and complained (since they seem to be the one responsible for the sites). But the mood is already blown... grrr...
This spoils nothing but the first film.
The statute of limitation on spoliers runs out once the film shows up at Blockbuster.
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
What you do today will cost you a day of your life
All of this managed to make my Matrix experience just that much harder to enjoy.
-h-
Damned spoilers!
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
What you do today will cost you a day of your life
That's the plot - ooops, sorry - and you won't have to wait until Fall and spend $8.50 to see Revolutions.
My theory is a little different. Remember the Dungeons & Dragons movie, which was crap, unless you viewed it as the imaginary experience of a 13 year old boy and girl, playing AD&D.
Well, that's the Matrix trilogy, only with 16 year olds, playing Shadowrun.
The REAL jabber has the user id: 13196
What you do today will cost you a day of your life
Dumbass, can you read? He said he knows about the exploits, but they're not public. He's witholding information from the public about other explots that only he knows about.
Ooooops..
Gotta love video piracy. Nice going 'security' guys.
Will NOT be Z1ON0101. However, I will be adding that to my dictionaries (:
No sig for you. YOU GET NO SIG!
I'm actually guessing that, like having to use 555 for phone numbers in movies so that they don't match any real phone number, the usage of 10.2.2.2 was to so that it would not match an ip address in the real world. I mean, can you imagine having the IP that was shown being hacked by Trinity the day after scores of both real geeks and script kiddies went to see Reloaded. Holy shit, man! You could kiss your data goodbye, and a lawsuit of Reloaded hello.
OTOH, it would have been hilarious if they used 127.0.0.1 - not from a practical standpoint - that just would have been lame - but more from a "Sound of thousands of ignorant script-kiddies writhing in pain as they realized the box they just completely fucked up was their own" standpoint.
How can this guy get modded up for being insightful when he doesn't know the name of a major player in the film?
The Merovingian dynasty was the first kingdom of France to emerge from the ruins of the Roman empire, led by Clovis I. Unlike most ruling families in Europe, though, it's not named after it's founding member. Or I guess you could say it is, since "Merovec" is considered to be a half sea-monster. This gives the cruel character a little more depth
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i've noticed that many poeple still use the -l username when specifying a username when using ssh.
isn't it easier (and just make more sense) to do ssh username@host rather than ssh host -l username?
Why? Because the site advertises 50 reasons, but only 20 are available right now... and releasing an unfinished product to the public is something Microsoft does! All that was missing was the click-through EULA.
Why not just accept invalid IP addresses? Is it *really* so horrible? Designating a range of addresses to never be used is extremely wasteful. I can see maybe keeping addresses under 300 per octet (253 isn't as mindgrabbingly obvious as 332 for example), but to set aside perfectly good addresses for this is silly. Maybe with IPv6 it would work (but even then, would someone notice a single 'H' character in place of one of the hex digits? I'm not talking about taking screen captures and scrutinizing an address, but with a IPv6 shown momentarily, a single invalid hex character would work well), but IPv4 is rather crowded...
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Best description of that I have ever seen.
The problem with the Matrix, is that they have all become more HUMAN, just like what is happening to Agent Smith.
Computer programs do not sense things, or have anticipation. Neo represents what the Machines want to become, he is just research, studying the remaining humans in an attempt to improve themselves. Their only hope is a reboot, to start over, before this new class of "feeling-programs" takes over, potentially releasing the humans from the Matrix, hence killing the machines.
The machines did not realize that their crowning achievement (Neo) would fall in love. This is what did not happen with the previous Neos, so they could rest assured that when given the motivation for resetting the Matrix, he would do so willingly.
What we are going to see in the final film, is either a collaberation between Neo and the Machines, to SAVE the Matrix, or between Neo and SMITH to destroy it, along with themselves for the sake of humanity.
The 'REVOLUTION' I believe, will be when the now 'feeling' Agent Smith completes his evolution, senses his own humanity, and gives up the secret that Neo and crew are all only programs as well. Then of course, they together set about freeing the humans, then we'll get a nice death scene, or the humans witinue ton Neo and the rest within their own computers, and continue to interface with them as needed.
Ok, it makes sense that Zion is also another form of Matrix (another layer of Matrix for those who are not conforming to original Matrix simulation)...
But then whywould you need 250,000 sentinels sent to destroy Zion... Why not just reset the Zion program instantly???
My only explanation is as follows. Every person in the movie (including Neo, Trinity, etc) is a computer program (AI program) that has been tested to see how "human" can they become... Maybe the only real people in the movie are the architect and possibly the Frenchmen's wife who tested how much emotion Neo can put in a kiss... Hence, sentinels being sent are also part of the test, the plot to produce "human", "self-aware" programs... Neo seemed to be close to becoming "self-aware" and maybe he will lead programs in Zion (Trinity, Morpheus, etc.) to become also "self-aware"...
Does this makes sense??? Or am I way off???
Listen, there is cool geek and there is dumb geek. This story is DUMB geek. Its just a movie. Get over it. who cares who recognized what was on the screen. A whole movie (with hot chicks even) and all you can dwell on is what was on the terminal screen?
If you got excited because you recognized what was on the terminal, what does that say about you. 1. You recognized a familiar pattern. 2. That was enough to get you excited 3. You immediately wanted to relay this information to everyone else in the theater by yelping, cheering, whatever. Instead why don't you just stay home, wear your trenchcoat and shaders, and jump off the roof trying to fly like so many before you have.
"Matrix, the new superman."
So either:
Now hand it over... ;)
Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
As many others have said, the hack they showed was thoroughly realistic: the electric power grid is not attached to any public network (Why would it be? Physical security is the only real security.), and even if it were, it would be behind a mother firewall. But, the internal network would use ip, since that's the only game in town. So, in order to shut down a power grid, you need to a.) break into the building, and b.) hook up a laptop to the internal network and break into a machine. It's only logical that the internal, unconnected network would use a 10.*.*.* net.
And all this time my lifelong goal was to hack the gibson using a giant Pacman.
AND NOW
you tell me there is no mega-computer that has a database consisting of glass columns with Arcing lightning between them... How boring!
hehe Arc lightning in a processor, "Bob we fried another one!"
-bort
I think it's pretty sad. In a movie they do a hack "correctly" and everybody is amazed. How much of their million dollar budgets does it take to properly research this stuff? not much. They never cared about impressing the geek before now. They want to entertain audiences.
In all reality this hack would have not been left open by the Zion admin. He's a unix operator.
If you really wanted a hack more in line with reality, she should have called a Zion employee while pretending to be Zion admin. They would have gladly gave up their password.
I am aware that the above list of suggested commands does have differing effects on different versions of UNIX and is incomplete. This suggests a different strategy. Log in as root, do what you have to do without interfering with anything else, then get the hell out. :-)
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
...is it only me, or does Zion 101 sound like some college class. Probably just someones program for their thesis in some Computer Science/Philosophy major.
You video-gamers sunsabitches slashdotted the Matrix!
Cornel West was one of the leaders of Zion! How
cool is that? (Or evil, depending on your view
of West's 'prophetic pragmatism?')
It was a lousy movie. Who cares how 1337 they are?
Was I the only one expecting a shootout that would top the lobby scene from the first movie? Instead, we get a cop-out/cheat with Neo stopping bullets with his mind, or guns being kicked out of hands first thing, or Morpheus and the rest of the bunch just shrugging (no bullet-time shrugging?) a little to ward off the swiss-cheesing of his car by an automatic rifle.
The first/final scene with Trinity and the agent doesn't really suffice, since there isn't much bobbing and weaving, running up the walls, or diving behind pillars to be done while in a free fall.
I think there was a whole aesthetic of little tiles being smashed (followed by slow motion debris flying through the air) from the first film that was partially lost in Reloaded.
My last JE has some more related notes...
Shouldn't the command have been something like gnodes -d?
z1on0101 is the password trinity uses when overriding the powerplant password...
I would put this password first in line on my dictionary for password attacks....
I know all my servers will have this password from now on..
I'm surprised they aren't using IPv6 so far in the future.
Thy had to have a camera or something, right? The announcement at the beginning tells you it's illegal. Yet there they are. Insecure.org, by definition is an accessory after-the-fact to illegal copying of copyrighted information.
Good job, guys. Reporting on law-breaking as "news."
Not until it has been definitively thrown out, it's still the dumbest thing in it. Complain away!
OMG my unix programs don't say Y/N !!!!oneone!!!eleven LOL ROTFL BBQ
After all those careful work, you post it here to get slashdotted? Pathetic :)
Actually it's probably closer to the year 3000 than 2199. Why is this? Because it's been 100 years since 'this' Zion has been created. There were about 5 others before that, presumably lasting about the same period of time (the architect states that the cycle of "The One" is predictable.) Then before that were the failed matrices, and before that was the war to end all wars. In the first movie, Morpheus believes it is 2199 because he has no idea there were other Matrices before the current one. I imagine we'll find out in the next movie, Reloaded raised many more questions than it answered.
Even worse .. they STILL havent gone to IPv6!!
It's too bad they didn't show her trying to find binary packages for the distro - failing to, hunting down all the dependancies, ./configure; make, take a nap, make install.
i'd really relate to that
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That server looks like it's getting loaded. Here's a mirror.
It's a security analysis tool. There's a difference. nmap, in and of itself, can't "hack" or even crash machines.
:P
It doesn't send any data down the ports it connects to. It's analogous to looking at all the windows on a house. You may be doing it because you want to break into it, or you may be doing it because you're interested in architecture.. but what if you're blind? You could get someone to tell you about what's there.. but if there isn't someone who can tell you this, you would have to walk around the outside of the building and touch the windows to see where they are. Is this breaking into the building? No.
And this, mes amis, is what nmap does.
-- Someone who almost once got into a lot of trouble for using nmap for analysis of a hacked machine
"Riiiight.. so I hacked it and then told you about it?"
Reseting? Clearly a sign of an open source app if it has typos in its comments to the user.
You are only popular on the Internet.
Come on, Taco! Why is it news that a movie with a $175 million dollar budget would actually use a real computer exploit? Are you thinking that nmap is so Slashdot cool that we have to read about it here? Is this any more surprising than the appearance of real 21st century motorcycles in the same movie? The real news is just how uncreative The Matrix Reloaded turned out to be - a souless fireworks display of technology that tells us next to nothing about this virtual world of the future.
anybody else read Zion I and I? Jah, mon. Jah and man are one.
your fingers don't count, nigga.
Is showing this hack a violation of the DMCA?
Her leather wasn't in the shot when they showed the screen, so I noticed the ssh connection and thought it was cool, but it went off before I noticed nmap.
Interesting how the Architect... who wrote the matrix kernel looks like 'cornel' Sanders from KFC :)
This goes to every who has replied to this thread. Some of your theories are very interesting, however they can be proven false by watching The Second Renaissance Parts I and II from the Animatrix. It explains how the Matrix was created and that there is a war between Man and Machine. Unless the Animatrix is designed to totally throw people off, it is a valid representation of prequels to the Matrix.
I suggest you watch the two movies (The Second Renaissance Parts I and II) at Into the Matrix.com before coming to your theories.
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The architect spoke of increasing probability that the system would fail, so I expect the life cycle of the Matrix/The One would be variable. This cycle was roughly 100 years long, but perhaps others were 10 years or 2000 years long.
Morpheus told one of his superiors that they've freed more people in the past 6 months than the previous 6 years. If the Matrix error and probability of failure increases it would make sense to me that it would increase exponentially, and the dramatic increase is what is ends the cycle. One question might be whether the emergence of a powerful/anomolic dude like Neo was an effect or cause of the end of the cycle, or if Neo-types happen all the time and are dealt with in another manner by the control programs when it's too soon. Hell, maybe Neo-types are programatically enhanced to become "The One" when the other anomolies become too high. chown neo
I'm really trying to wrap my head around the possibilities of where/what Zion is and what the "real" situation is. There are so many directions to go. They didn't disappoint me in this sequel, so maybe they won't in the next sequel, either.
Another thing: if Neo visiting the architect was a planned event then was the pursuit of the keymaker by "the twins" and two agents just for show? Or are the programs not in on the scheme? How could they not be?
Cool movie.
Of course, teh Matrix runs on *nix - Windows doesn't have a 'root' user..
Come on, thats some funny shit.
If you don't say anything, you won't be called on to repeat it. -- Calvin Coolidge
I suspect the real world is still the real world, but something in Neo's development while attached to the Matrix gave him wireless capability as well as the standard cat 5 in the back of the head sort.
This extra communication channel has always given him an advantage but has been largely subconcious until now. He's gradually become aware of it and uses it conciously for the first time when he feels the octopus things coming into range at the end.
Actually that could be an interesting subcontext. The machines took over because they were capable of being designed to be far more efficient than man. However they cannot account for man's greatest advantage, the ability to adapt and evolve by chance. They can design The Matrix to fit humans, but over time humans can evolve and change to exploit aspects of the matrix in ways the machines cannot predict.
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I noticed that Trinity used the exploit, but Tritnity, her alter-ego, did as well! Wow, I should have payed better attention :-)
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This makes sense for a few reasons.
(1) If the Matrix producers had been stupid enough to have published a real address, that site would be copping a distributed "slashdot nmapping" right now. I was at a security conference where George Kurtz (Foundstone) was giving a presentation and kept using "target.com" to describe the host getting attacked. After the presentation, a representative from Target (the chainstore) came up and told him to knock it off and start using example.[org|net|com] in his presentations. RFC2606
was written to promote example.org for exactly that purpose.
(2)Some of the previously reserved real internet address space (I forget which exactly) has now become "unreserved". But the unlucky who have been allocated this space have big problems because many old/unmaintained firewalls explicitly disallow traffic to/from those networks. So it's conceivable that the 10.x.x.x address space was opened up in Neo's time.
(3) Even without the two above scenarios, Trinity could easily already have compromised a gateway router/packet filter to an internal network. Maybe we didn't see that bit.
wow, now I really feel stupid for saying "I caught a mistake in the movie. You can't log in as root" DOH
I believe that this illustrates one of the major differences between Science Geeks and Art Geeks.
Geek of Sciences: "This means what the author intended it to mean."
Geek of Arts: "This means what I think it means."
There is an obvious parallel here between objective and subjective views of reality. The science geek believes that meaning is inherent to the text, imbued by its creator. The art geek believes that meaning is assigned by each member of a work's audience, and the meaning differs from person to person.
I'm personally inclined to believe that each perspective has its merits. Does this make me an arts geek? Hee hee, you tell me.
He said he feels guilty. Whether it's wrong or not is a part of the question; whether it's legal or not isn't.
Like, I can feel guilty about cheating on my girlfriend. Even though it's not illegal.
Well, it's obvious he reads a lot better than you do. Look at the quote again:
It says that there are some exploits which are well understood, and probably well documented, and then some others that are not public. In other words, he knows something exists, but that doesn't mean he knows the details of the exploits. Any time a system is broken into, the exploit leaves a trail of breadcrumbs as it were. You can generally tell if one breakin uses the same vector as another known one, or if it is something new. So, the quote says they have evidence of other exploits, but not necessarily any other details about them.Besides... what is the advantage of publishing the nature of the exploits? The security vulnerabilities are well known, and already patched. Are you a kiddie looking for another 'sploit script to download and start using on other people's systems?
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Remeber what the architech said. Agent smith wasn't informed of why it happened although, since it was uncessary for his functioning and just deduced it himself he states it directly as an opinion, not fact.
What I gathered from The Architect's monologue was that it was at least several hundreds of years or possibly thousands of years into the future: it was the 6th version of the matrix, and assuming that each time Zion starts fresh with just a handful of people, the time it takes for the population to get up to a quarter of a million would be many, many years, times 6. So the original poster is correct, that it is far into the future. But each time through the matrix has "allowed" itself to be exploited in that way.
</spoiler>314 seconds. Right?
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John 3:14 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up
However, for an interesting read on John 3:14 and it's meaning, try http://wwwstaff.murdoch.edu.au/~loader/MkLent4.ht
There you will see that this section of the Bible talks about Jesus being "lifted up" for various
reasons. "Like the ascent in 3:13 this refers to the event which begins at Jesus' death."
Meaning, being lifted up, and being looked upon and will bring salvation, but this begins with his "death", and Neo had his death and resurrection in the first movie.
See where numbers lead?
Vip
You want to run a bunch of AIs and a simulation of the world, so you run it on a Beowulf Cluster of human brains.
This also partially explains Neo's powers; because part of the simulation is running in unused areas of his brain, he is able to alter it.
I understand an early draft of the script actually included some of this, but it was 'simplified' away.
So, the actual history of the Merovingians, not so exciting. The mythology is better though, and far more relevant to "The Matrix." The founder of the Merovingians, Merovec, is considered to be somewhat mythical. The first Merovingian for which there is good historical evidence for is Merovec's supposed grandson, Clovis. As the above poster notes, one story has Merovec as half beast. Other accounts (with connections to Gnostic Christianity, a subject that has been much discussed in relation to "The Matrix") claim that Merovec was the descendant of Jesus (and Mary Magdelene). Yeah, I know, but just bear with me. Now, after the Carolingians took over, supposedly a secret society was formed to reinstall the Merovingians to the throne (after all, who could have more authority than someone with the bloodline of David and Jesus?). This society is named the Prieure de Sion, or the Priory of Zion. (ominous music plays for effect)
This secret society, as all secret societies eventually must (seems to be a rule of conspiracy theory), has been linked to the Knights Templar (which were quite real, actually (formed during the Crusades, became quite wealthy through guarding banking transactions, like a medieval Brinks, were annihilated by Philip the Fair in 1307), though the mythology that has sprung up regarding them is vast) and through them to every secret society you've ever heard of- the Freemasons, the Illuminati, etc.... In other words, the character "the Merovingian" is connected in name to bunch of real world secret conspiracy plots, just the sort of thing you'd like for a fictional character connected in deep with secret conspiracy plots. I must admit it's nice to see that the brothers Wachowski have really done their homework.
"FDA staff reviewers expressed concern about the number of patients who were left out of the study because they died."
Well since she used Rlogin bug via SSH, you guys are debating the merrits of it, i'd say it's a: nice to see they did their research. As for the alagorical themese mostly real.
I notice they must be running KDE, as half the time the same screensaver comes up.
You know, the one that has all the back to front chars in green letters on a black background?
They didn't.
1. It was a tripod capture, with a few adjustments. At the beginning the "EXIT" sign is visible on the left, but then they zoom a bit to remove it. A couple times throughout the film, the picture is rotated slightly but they fixed it after a bit (less than a minute). There are some audio errors (pops and static) but none of the dialog is obscured. The credits are cut off, probably because the guy had to get out of there. There is, however, no audience noise, so perhaps it was a private screening of some sort?
2. I was greatly reminded of MST3K. Perhaps it was because of the somewhat tinny sound, but the music sounded exactly like some of the movies they parody. I couldn't shake that feeling throughout the movie, which made it a bit funnier than it probably should have been. The Architect also reminded me of the Rocky Horror Picture Show's audience line, "This man has no neck!"
3. I like what people have been saying, that when they escaped they only escaped into a "meta-matrix." This would explains Neo's "power" to overcome the sentinels at the end.
4. I caught one of Morpheus's quotes: "I have dreamed a dream, and now the dream is gone from me." (Thanks to watching it on the PC, I could call up Google after pausing it.) This is in Daniel 2:3-5 of the bible, and the title of Daniel 2 is "Nebuchadnezzar's Dream." They did a good job with the references, as I see from other comments many others have found them.
5. I enjoyed the first movie more. Sequels are difficult, but even so it had the best opening weekend of all time. It has some timeless qualities to it: choosing your mate over your tribe, and the consequences of that decision. And the "living in a box (within a box (within a box (within..." -- it'll be interesting to see how the Wachowski brothers decide to end the series. When I saw the first movie it was in the afternoon, and I walked outside to a sunny sky with a few clouds and thought, "whoa." Something inside me had changed; this movie didn't do that, although it was good entertainment.
6. I liked the gift of the spoon from one of the orphans.
7. The special effects were pretty cool, but I really don't see that powerful a difference between the first movie and the second. They spent a lot of money creating the process, and it was money well-spent because the process can be used for many future movies. But so many studios have been adding bullet-time to their films that it just didn't "stand out" like the original.
8. I will see it in the theatre. Perhaps that'll have the "whoa" effect, but perhaps not as I've already seen it. We'll see.
9. The movie didn't flow very straightforward. Some scenes were unmentioned dream scenes until you see Neo wake up, and some scenes were action inside the Matrix, then a meeting from previously, then Neo and Trinity on the ship, then back into the Matrix -- and the footage from the dream scenes was reused toward the end (to good effect, but they saved a little on effects ;-). Because of this jumping around it felt somewhat like Pulp Fiction . I wonder what the brothers think of Quentin Tarantino?
As I said, I'll see it again in the theatre and I'll probably pick up some things I missed the first time around. Enjoy!
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
After pausing to think about it a bit, I've come to some possible explainatons. As these are both spoilers for the current Matrix: Reloaded, and possibly Revolution, I'll post them in a reply to this post.
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I like these lines from The Register's take on it:
Is Zalewski surprised to see unpatched SSH servers running in the year AD 2199? "It's not that uncommon for people to run the old distribution," he says. "I know we had a bunch of boxes that were unpatched for two years."
From http://theregister.co.uk/content/55/30747.html
Roger
Do you have any better hostages?
the portscanner and the vulnerability are from times years after the world emulated by the matrix.
Just as I would have suspected. This movie has a sex scene in it, right? And you guys are drooling over a screen shot of nmap....
Liberty uber alles.
Most of the Matrix is written in C++, and that's why the flow of time seems normal.
The 'bullet time' parts where things move verrrrrrry sloooooooowly are written in Java.
In the first movie, Smith has a conversation with Morpheus (the famous "humanity is a virus" speech). At the end of that speech, another agent comes in and sees them. Smith looks ashamed and embarrassed, an dthe other agent asks him "what are you doing?".
At that point I thought that Smith was already getting infected with something that would change his nature. I don't quite recall, but I believe that Smith unplugged his earpiece at the beginning of that conversation with Morpheus, too!
There are a lot of references to Merovingian being something of a "devil" character.
In Reloaded, Persephone was Merovingian's discontent wife. In Greek mythology, Persephone was forced to marry Hades, the god of the Underworld.
Also, if I recall correctly (I've only seen it once), Merovingian said that he was once like Neo, but had since grown bored of that, or stopped caring or something. In Christian mythology, the devil was once an angel, but had fallen.
In both cases (or all three, including Merovec), the Matrix's Merovingian is meant to be a character who enjoy playing tricks, hatching plots, and otherwise being a thorn in the side of the protagonist.
META: Why do I never find the interesting posts and think of good replies until after they're a day old.
I timed Neo's death as best as I could for the heck of it, and I get 88 seconds.
Digging deeper into pathetic land: So, even if she knew that the server's internal address was 10.2.2.2, how did she arrange for the ssh binary exploit to be at the host that she was hacking from?
How in antitrust, they were pumping their own gas, which is illegal in Oregon, which is where they were supposed to be...
...did you have to spoil Matrix Reloaded before I even watched it? IN SUBJECT!!! You must be mad, and some other idiot saying "YO IST GREAT THEY USED AN ACTUAL EXPLOIT TO OBTAIN THIS AND THAT" for Gods sake...
Ok you guys seem to have all figured out the what, who, and how by describing the two predominant theories.
... In a very big sense the Matrix can be argued to be a modern day remake of Logans Run.
I. The Matrix is recursive and all controlling
II. Feature creep between NEO/Smith creating unforeseen kaos in the matrix via morphing, viruses etc and / or genetic & human learning skills.
But what you all forgot to ask is, Why is the Matrix? Humans as copper top energizer bunnies? no comment...
This is the first key to unlocking the puzzle. Before I even watched Reloaded last weekend it dawned on me that everyone in the Matrix is perfect and young just like another great SciFi film called Logan's Run. Hmm. Then I thought what if we humans created the Matrix with the assistance of the programs and machines we built. What if we built the Matrix because of a man made holocaust, ala Logan's Run, to put a few hundred thousand humans into stasis for the purpose of extending the human race until such a time as the Earth has rebounded and we can come out of our high tech hot tubs?
With this in mind, when I watched reloaded everything fit into place. The Dance / Celebration before the "Choice" game and "Run" scenes, followed by meeting the Architect,
Then today I goggled up Logan's Run & Matrix and what do I find?
http://williamfnolan.com/LogansRun.htm
Producer of the Matrix Joel Silver is about to remake Logan's Run.
I'll leave it to you guys to point out all of the references, suffice it to say I caught a ton of references to corroborate this potential story line.
Cheers, Thor (aka RKMBrown)
the dvd version will come with a deleted scene where trinity FIRST hacks a public IP; later (one on the intranet) she hack into the 10.2.2.2 :)
There isn't a meta-matrix as so many of you suggest, Neo is in the real world.
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He has just woken up from the real world and realised that all rules can be bent not just those of the Matrix.
There is a lot of eastern philosophy in here, I can even start blabbing about quantum magic.
The Wachowski brothers spoke on this topic in an interview a while ago:
http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/cmp/larry
Given this fact, it is entirely plausible that Neo is in the real world, he is just more enlightened than normal people.
What would really throw people for a six though would be if Neo became buddha. It is possible but it would probably alienate too many viewers, but I reckon it is probably a bet worth taking, any takers?
Okay, okay, I wanted to test my .sig. Might as well choose an old almost-on-topic article.
OK, this is what I think, I am not sure if some of the info has been repeated.
\\The architect and oracle, and maybe the woman at the bar who kissed neo are the real humans and programmers.
\\Most everyone else, including neo, trinity, morph, tank, etc is a program.
\\Zion and everything we have seen are all within matrix.
\\If Zion and the humans within it were not within matrix, then they would all have some memory of the fact that matrix has in fact reloaded for the past 5 times since they are now free living and non-connected beings, yet no one seemed to know, and neo was surprised to find out....
\\Also, the fact that neo can control outside of matrix entities shows that they are still within matrix
\\The woman at the bar kissed neo to perhaps test his humanity
\\architect is trying to see how the program neo is getting close to reality, and perhaps neo's program shows sign of humanity when he chooses love over life at the end
\\So in conclusion, architect and bunch of other programmers have written codes of the matrix and all characters within it to create a super program, or a program with a soul and conscious; neo
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if near everyone is working at slavelabour wages in either fast food, software companies that go nowhere, or other such effort sinks...i can see it. got an idea? shut up - you arent entitled to that idea. that idea is now copyright microsoft...oh wait... agent bill?
sometimes i wonder how it is that western civilization manages to go anywhere...
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She's on a private network, in the 10.X range. Why did the computer come with nmap and an ssh exploit? Did she code the exploit up from memory real quick?
Someone named an OS for me.
Well, I'm a dork for posting to this article long after its dead but I just watched a screener version of the movie and I don't think Trinity rooted the system. To me it looks like Trinity walks into the room, kicks ass and then resumes where the previous woman left off. 'member? The woman who says "almost done" and then the sentinels blow up her ship. It looks to me that Trinity just sits down reads the screen and types in the password.
One wonders, what language would have been used?
;)
French.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.