It was a Level III Cache bug in their Phenom and Barcelona quad-core processors. We got some at work, a nifty little kernel patch got us running again.
"Every penny counts in balancing the budget." - Obama. No matter. Intel's not going to pay this 1500 million dollar fine. They'll just hire more lawyers and keep dragging it out for several years, and only end-up paying a few million.
I really don't think Obama cares about pennies or balancing the budget. His budget has the largest deficit since 1945. Yay for national debt!
If the name 'Nehalem' or 'Xeon Nehalem' was ambiguous (big word, I know, look it up), then yes. However, seeing as Intel is the only company that makes 'Nehalem' or 'Xeon Nehalem' CPUs manufactures name is redundant.
Unfortunately for you, Nehalem is microarchitecture (another big word!) NOT a CPU. Thus, a 'Nehalem' is ambiguous term which does not describe a single CPU. So, your original foolish statment was ambiguous because it encompasses (I am not trying to confuse you) a whole family of CPUs. Thus, your original supposition(whew!) can be proven false by finding one PC maker that produces PCs with 'Nehalem' CPUs. Which I have done, the Dell XPS 435 which uses a Intel i7-920, a member of the Nehalem family of CPUs.
If you would have qualified your statment with a more descriptive name (i.e. 'Xeon Nehalem') this pleasant little discussion would not have been required.
On a side note, you don't need to attack people, you don't need to be a dick, and you don't need to be insulting. Thanks.
Hey smart guy, you might want to check your original post:
And I quote: "You'll have to look for a while as the Mac Pro is the only PC available today on the market with a Nehalem processor. But keep shouting, somebody might believe you."
I didn't see you say Xeon Nehalem? Do you? I don't... Let me guess, its camouflaged? So, my original post was correct, you can get PCs with Nehalem processors TODAY. If you would have actually said 'Xeon Nehalem' then I wouldn't have said anything. Way to look like a ass.
Dell just happens to be selling a Studio XPS 435 with: Intel Core i7-920 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.66GHz) Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit Dell 24 inch S2409W Widescreen Flat Panel Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability 6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs 750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive ATI Radeon HD 4670 512MB1 Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
for... $1,549
I am not shouting and I hope nobody believes you. Guess a Mac Pro isn't the only way to get a Nehalem processor. Whats up with mac fanboys?
I have used both GCC (v3.x, v4.x) and Intel compiler (v10.x and v11) on Intel and AMD cpus. Exact same code, only change was the compiler. I don't remember a single case where icc compiled binaries were slower, in general they were significantly faster.
Overall, we saw a 1% to 30% decrease in execution time. The performance improvement was application specific and most significant when doing a lot of math. As expected, applications that where not CPU bound received little if any performance improvements. Changing the compiler does not speed up your network, disk, or fix poor design decisions:)
Given the price of intel compilers, I think GCC is all the majority of the linux world needs.
OK, whats with this unix love? Yes it is a unix workstation, but so is HPUX. HPUX is...different. You will understand if you have ever used it. Being Unix compliant does not mean a OS is good, reliable, or stable OS. Don't get me wrong, I have used OSX and like it fine. I think it can stand on its own as a OS, as apposed to relying on 'but it's Unix!'. I would rather have the free (as in beer) linux with the freedom to do what I want on my hardware/software. I much prefer the gentoo EULA to the apple EULA.
This hardware statement is a out and out lie. OSX does NOT work on a wider range of hardware, nor does it have support for more hardware. OSX will work on the laptops Apple sells. Which does not surprise me. If I am paying a premium for a laptop I do expect the OS it _comes_ with to work.
Lets take for example me Dell m1730. I installed Redhat and gentoo on it, _everything_ works. No, everything didn't just work right away, but it wasn't difficult. Good luck trying to install OSX on it. Besides violating the EULA(http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/), it doesn't 'just work'. I googled it to make sure.
I can (and have) install linux on a 486, the crappy PIII in my closet, the dual quad xeon at work. And it works. Even my odd video card and its friend the ancient soundblaster. Good luck with OSX, I am sure you can get most things working, eventually.
I have a 4 year old dell laptop that came with windows XP. Wireless works great, it suspends and hibernates great. Everything worked great out of the box. Never had a ounce of problems with it, use it every day. This does not make it a good OS. So I installed linux on it. Which works great also.
One addition point, you can pay a lot more then 100$ for a comparable laptop.
I know you love your mac, but please don't share the kool-aid.
Couple of points here: 1) The second shuttle was not destroyed by a component failure. Ceramic tiles were damaged by debris; they did not fail to function, their integrity was compromised by a outside influence.
2) There will always be some components which are single points of failure. Both of the shuttles where destroyed by something going wrong in one of those areas.
1) Who cares if it is 'certified unix', all this means is that it "[conforms] to the SUSv3 and POSIX 1003.1 specifications for the C API, Shell Utilities, and Threads". Guess what, so does HPUX. As a unfortunate user of HPUX it is hard to describe how bad that OS is. So, this certification stamp in no way means this is a good, reliable, or stable OS.
2) Never tried
3) Yes, you can do things with a OSX you can't do on linux/windows. Surprise! You can do things on linux and windows server which you can't do on OSX. I don't see the point here...? BTW, xgrid is not the only distributed computing solution. See http://www.top500.org/ for more info.
4) As a gentoo user, I totally agree. emerge -u -e world has screwed me so often I feel like we are married.
Wait, you mean apples makes all their own hardware? Really?
No, they use CPUs from Intel, hard drives from WD/Seagate/Maxtor/whoever, graphics chips from nVidea/ATI, etc.
So, no, you do NOT get what you pay for hardware wise. You are getting something identical or very similar to everybody else, from the same manufactures, you are just paying a little more.
Have you even read this thing? Its full of pork that does nothing for 'stimulus'.
650 Million for converter boxes? 350 Million to buy back watershed lands? 1 Billion to the census dept for ??? the list goes on and on. Very little of it will actually stimulate anything.
Just obama rewarding those who get him elected. Typical
Wow, I can't believe people with any skill, imagination, or drive would work at a place like this. I have been writing software professionally for 6 years and have never worked at a place with a single one of these restrictions. Talk about stifling creativity and make your job more difficult.
The day I do not have: - root/Administrator on my laptop/workstation - The ability to download things off the tubes - Reasonable access to the web
is the day I start looking for a new job, and there won't be a pay cut involved.
I think you are missing the point. Yes, IT is a very necessary part of most companies, but that are not 'profit centers'. i.e. They do not make a product your company sells( unless your company sells IT services). The IT departments job is support those who DO make the money, much like HR and payroll. How long do you think a company would last if nobody got paid?
Looking at some of the recent IT articles (i.e. Guerrilla IT), I get the feeling some of the IT staff here have forgotten this.
Small world, I worked with Ron on this project from '02 to '05, doing programming mostly. I wish they would update the LMA picture, thats a very very very old plot.
The professor said the work must be done individually.
From TFA:
"While Neale admits the professor stipulated the online homework questions were to be done independently, she said it has long been a tradition for students to brainstorm homework in groups..."
Thus, he cheated. I am sorry its 'tradition' to do this, but he got caught. If he would have done this with a traditional study group he would have broken the same rules. Tough luck.
The issue isn't a study group, the prof said the work must be individually.
From TFA:
"While Neale admits the professor stipulated the online homework questions were to be done independently, she said it has long been a tradition for students to brainstorm homework in groups..."
Thus, he cheated. I am sorry its 'tradition' to do this, but he got caught. Tough luck.
Or, maybe, people could pay for software they use! That is a lot of hoops to jump through to steal something that isn't yours. I realize that people say this is to play 'backups', but do they really have that much trouble keeping the original playable? My 360 is well over a year old, I have been using it almost every day (often switching disks, it's my primary DVD player), have yet to scratch a disk. If the disk get scratched, replace it. Chances are, it was the users fault (didn't put the disk in the case, change orientation of the 360 while disk was spinning, they have kids, etc). This is analogous to going into a store, buying a shirt, and then stealing a second one in case something happens to the first!
This is not a problem for the honest 360 user who buys the games he/she plays. All of the pirating schmucks deserve what they get.
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It was a Level III Cache bug in their Phenom and Barcelona quad-core processors. We got some at work, a nifty little kernel patch got us running again.
I found an article about it here:
http://www.dailytech.com/Understanding++AMDs+TLB+Processor+Bug/article9915.htm
"Every penny counts in balancing the budget." - Obama. No matter. Intel's not going to pay this 1500 million dollar fine. They'll just hire more lawyers and keep dragging it out for several years, and only end-up paying a few million.
I really don't think Obama cares about pennies or balancing the budget. His budget has the largest deficit since 1945. Yay for national debt!
Bye!
Nice rebuttal (or lack there of), I accept your surrender.
If the name 'Nehalem' or 'Xeon Nehalem' was ambiguous (big word, I know, look it up), then yes. However, seeing as Intel is the only company that makes 'Nehalem' or 'Xeon Nehalem' CPUs manufactures name is redundant.
Unfortunately for you, Nehalem is microarchitecture (another big word!) NOT a CPU. Thus, a 'Nehalem' is ambiguous term which does not describe a single CPU. So, your original foolish statment was ambiguous because it encompasses (I am not trying to confuse you) a whole family of CPUs. Thus, your original supposition(whew!) can be proven false by finding one PC maker that produces PCs with 'Nehalem' CPUs. Which I have done, the Dell XPS 435 which uses a Intel i7-920, a member of the Nehalem family of CPUs.
If you would have qualified your statment with a more descriptive name (i.e. 'Xeon Nehalem') this pleasant little discussion would not have been required.
On a side note, you don't need to attack people, you don't need to be a dick, and you don't need to be insulting. Thanks.
Hey smart guy, you might want to check your original post:
And I quote:
"You'll have to look for a while as the Mac Pro is the only PC available today on the market with a Nehalem processor. But keep shouting, somebody might believe you."
I didn't see you say Xeon Nehalem? Do you? I don't... Let me guess, its camouflaged? So, my original post was correct, you can get PCs with Nehalem processors TODAY. If you would have actually said 'Xeon Nehalem' then I wouldn't have said anything. Way to look like a ass.
Well, according to Intel, the i7 is a Nehalem processor:
http://www.intel.com/technology/architecture-silicon/next-gen/index.htm?iid=tech_micro+nehalem
Dell just happens to be selling a Studio XPS 435 with:
Intel Core i7-920 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.66GHz)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1, 64-Bit
Dell 24 inch S2409W Widescreen Flat Panel
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs
750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
ATI Radeon HD 4670 512MB1
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
for... $1,549
I am not shouting and I hope nobody believes you. Guess a Mac Pro isn't the only way to get a Nehalem processor. Whats up with mac fanboys?
I have used both GCC (v3.x, v4.x) and Intel compiler (v10.x and v11) on Intel and AMD cpus. Exact same code, only change was the compiler. I don't remember a single case where icc compiled binaries were slower, in general they were significantly faster.
Overall, we saw a 1% to 30% decrease in execution time. The performance improvement was application specific and most significant when doing a lot of math. As expected, applications that where not CPU bound received little if any performance improvements. Changing the compiler does not speed up your network, disk, or fix poor design decisions :)
Given the price of intel compilers, I think GCC is all the majority of the linux world needs.
I stand corrected.
OK, whats with this unix love? Yes it is a unix workstation, but so is HPUX. HPUX is ...different. You will understand if you have ever used it. Being Unix compliant does not mean a OS is good, reliable, or stable OS. Don't get me wrong, I have used OSX and like it fine. I think it can stand on its own as a OS, as apposed to relying on 'but it's Unix!'. I would rather have the free (as in beer) linux with the freedom to do what I want on my hardware/software. I much prefer the gentoo EULA to the apple EULA.
This hardware statement is a out and out lie. OSX does NOT work on a wider range of hardware, nor does it have support for more hardware. OSX will work on the laptops Apple sells. Which does not surprise me. If I am paying a premium for a laptop I do expect the OS it _comes_ with to work.
Lets take for example me Dell m1730. I installed Redhat and gentoo on it, _everything_ works. No, everything didn't just work right away, but it wasn't difficult. Good luck trying to install OSX on it. Besides violating the EULA(http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/), it doesn't 'just work'. I googled it to make sure.
I can (and have) install linux on a 486, the crappy PIII in my closet, the dual quad xeon at work. And it works. Even my odd video card and its friend the ancient soundblaster. Good luck with OSX, I am sure you can get most things working, eventually.
I have a 4 year old dell laptop that came with windows XP. Wireless works great, it suspends and hibernates great. Everything worked great out of the box. Never had a ounce of problems with it, use it every day. This does not make it a good OS. So I installed linux on it. Which works great also.
One addition point, you can pay a lot more then 100$ for a comparable laptop.
I know you love your mac, but please don't share the kool-aid.
Couple of points here:
1) The second shuttle was not destroyed by a component failure. Ceramic tiles were damaged by debris; they did not fail to function, their integrity was compromised by a outside influence.
2) There will always be some components which are single points of failure. Both of the shuttles where destroyed by something going wrong in one of those areas.
Sorry, but you are coming across as a dick.
1) Who cares if it is 'certified unix', all this means is that it "[conforms] to the SUSv3 and POSIX 1003.1 specifications for the C API, Shell Utilities, and Threads". Guess what, so does HPUX. As a unfortunate user of HPUX it is hard to describe how bad that OS is. So, this certification stamp in no way means this is a good, reliable, or stable OS.
2) Never tried
3) Yes, you can do things with a OSX you can't do on linux/windows. Surprise! You can do things on linux and windows server which you can't do on OSX. I don't see the point here...? BTW, xgrid is not the only distributed computing solution. See http://www.top500.org/ for more info.
4) As a gentoo user, I totally agree. emerge -u -e world has screwed me so often I feel like we are married.
Wait, you mean apples makes all their own hardware? Really?
No, they use CPUs from Intel, hard drives from WD/Seagate/Maxtor/whoever, graphics chips from nVidea/ATI, etc.
So, no, you do NOT get what you pay for hardware wise. You are getting something identical or very similar to everybody else, from the same manufactures, you are just paying a little more.
I guess I should have said 'unix-based'. OS X is certainly not Unix, it is Unix Based(PDF).
So, along those lines, you are paying for a unix-based OS, as apposed to something free: FreeBSD.
Well, kinda.
Unix that you pay for, with limitations imposed by apple, running on mac hardware.
Thanks for trying apple.
Have you even read this thing? Its full of pork that does nothing for 'stimulus'.
650 Million for converter boxes?
350 Million to buy back watershed lands?
1 Billion to the census dept for ???
the list goes on and on. Very little of it will actually stimulate anything.
Just obama rewarding those who get him elected. Typical
Wow, I can't believe people with any skill, imagination, or drive would work at a place like this. I have been writing software professionally for 6 years and have never worked at a place with a single one of these restrictions. Talk about stifling creativity and make your job more difficult.
The day I do not have:
- root/Administrator on my laptop/workstation
- The ability to download things off the tubes
- Reasonable access to the web
is the day I start looking for a new job, and there won't be a pay cut involved.
~nate
So this is what Obama means by "CHANGE!!"
nice
~nate
I think you are missing the point. Yes, IT is a very necessary part of most companies, but that are not 'profit centers'. i.e. They do not make a product your company sells( unless your company sells IT services). The IT departments job is support those who DO make the money, much like HR and payroll. How long do you think a company would last if nobody got paid?
Looking at some of the recent IT articles (i.e. Guerrilla IT), I get the feeling some of the IT staff here have forgotten this.
Small world, I worked with Ron on this project from '02 to '05, doing programming mostly. I wish they would update the LMA picture, thats a very very very old plot.
~nate
The professor said the work must be done individually.
From TFA:
"While Neale admits the professor stipulated the online homework questions were to be done independently, she said it has long been a tradition for students to brainstorm homework in groups..."
Thus, he cheated. I am sorry its 'tradition' to do this, but he got caught. If he would have done this with a traditional study group he would have broken the same rules. Tough luck.
~nate
The issue isn't a study group, the prof said the work must be individually.
From TFA:
"While Neale admits the professor stipulated the online homework questions were to be done independently, she said it has long been a tradition for students to brainstorm homework in groups..."
Thus, he cheated. I am sorry its 'tradition' to do this, but he got caught. Tough luck.
~nate
Don't mind me, I can't click on the right 'reply to'.
You need to see a therapist.
Personally, I liked #3:
radio | microwaves | infrared | visible light | untraviolet | X-rays | gamma rays
Visible light is between
a) UV and X-rays
b) UV and Gamma rays
c) microwaves and infrared
d) microwaves and UV
So, I guess this question is designed to weed out the people who:
a) Can't read
b) Don't know what 'between' means
??
Or, maybe, people could pay for software they use! That is a lot of hoops to jump through to steal something that isn't yours. I realize that people say this is to play 'backups', but do they really have that much trouble keeping the original playable? My 360 is well over a year old, I have been using it almost every day (often switching disks, it's my primary DVD player), have yet to scratch a disk. If the disk get scratched, replace it. Chances are, it was the users fault (didn't put the disk in the case, change orientation of the 360 while disk was spinning, they have kids, etc). This is analogous to going into a store, buying a shirt, and then stealing a second one in case something happens to the first!
This is not a problem for the honest 360 user who buys the games he/she plays. All of the pirating schmucks deserve what they get.