If you have something that can be used to hurt people, you're required to go so far as to take reasonable steps to prevent it's unauthorized use. The legal term is an 'attractive nusiance.' (Think of putting a fence around the pool in your back yard). Otherwise, you're liable for damage done. The question is whether this applies to software and whether there was 'harm' done. A litigant would have to prove each. IANAL.
Consider attractive nusiance law. If you own a pool, and a kid breaks in and uses your pool and hurts themselves, you can be held liable. You'd have to prove in court that you took reasonable steps to keep other people from using your pool. A court would have to determine whether your effort was reasonable. In this case, the trojan could be considered an attractive nusiance. The programmers obviously weren't making a reasonable effort to keep it from being downloaded (quite the contrary) and can be held liable for any damage that it does.
I love the phrase 'attractive nusiance.' It perfectly describes some girls I knew in college.
Modern skyscrapers have a metal skeleton and are not pyramid shaped. They are different from structures (the CN tower, Eiffle tower) in that all floors are inhabitable. Chicago has a lot of the the earliest, but the first ones are covered over with stone because people were used to seeing stone buildings. It wasn't till around the 1940s-50 or so (might be off by a one or two decades) that architects started letting the metal superstructure show, as in the Sears Tower (built around 1974).
The conflict created by this change was probaly the most interesting part of Ayn Rand's 'fountainhead'. Of course, I still don't know if it needed to be so *&$% long.
It does prove that there was a record of winemaking before the Romans were in Israel. And he didn't say Noah was the first to 'make wine', he said 'plant a vinyard'. Probably there's an earlier record of vinyard planting somewhere, but the point still serves. No matter how skeptical, you have to acknowledge that a people don't record acts of winemaking before they can do it themselves.
Thus, the Romans did not bring winemaking to the Jewish people. Their records of such acts radically predate the Roman invasion.
Are you sure you're not refering to Atlantis. Another post mentioned that the flood was more likely linked to the flooding of the Black Sea by the Mediterranian which I've heard before. It was larger and more watery and thus a more appropriate choice.
Well, the commies are gone. We have to have some excuse to invade whatever country we want. I think fighting terrorism is a great idea. I just think we should stop funding it while we're at it.
The US government has carried out operations in Central America that fit every definition of terrorism that the US has put forward http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=27 0 i.e. Deliberate attacks on 'soft' (i.e civilian) targets in Nicaragua. You had a church full of civilians slaughtered at El Mozote, El Salvador which was just the worst of a prolonged campaign by the US that fits the definition of terrorism. That included women and Children, who were raped and killed by the Atlacatel(sp), Salvadoran soldiers trained in US counterinsurgency tactics and responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the Salvadoran civil war.
Heck, The US was the one who encouraged Saddam Hussein to use poison gas during the Iran-Iraq war, and gave him many of his 'WMDs.'
The CIA sees the world in terms of straight power relations. "Pre Emptive war" has always been their doctrine. I have no doubt the 'War on Terror' will help America maintain it's position in the world. It might even protect American children by destroying someone who might oneday threaten American interests. But if you think its preventing children from being killed, you've been watching news reports with a direct feed from the government for too long. The 'War on Terror' is not a 'war on terror'. It's a war to attack whomsoever the US pleases for whatever reason that they please.
The CIA is still completly free to use terrorist tactics if they want.
1. The notion that free trade is good for workers in foreign countries doesn't always pan out. I know that NAFTA actually lowered Mexican wages. The larger the labor pool, the more chances of a labor surplus somewhere, and the easier it is to keep prices closer to subsistenence.
2. The problem is, if you make slave labor legal then the company that uses it has an advantage. Then it's just a race to the bottom as other companies have trouble competing. If we're going to have free trade, we also need certain minimum labor standards, and they need to be enforced as religiously as free trade laws are.
but don't let the government have more power to control us
While I don't like the notion of more restrictions, I'd prefer government officials over unelected officials from the WTO.
1. Copyright which exceeds the life of the author is not something the voting public desired. Intellectual property rights have been extended far past their original intent and people with the money to do it are writing their own laws *cough*Disney*cough*cough*. These laws should not be considered legitimate products of a representative democracy.
2. Shutting down file trading systems because they could be used to transmit copywrited material is like eliminating cell phones because they could be used by drug dealers, or by eliminating sewing machines because they hurt the trade of seamstresses. The current notion that technology should be restricted because it might be used for illegal purposes is is an unfair use of government power.
2. Americans, and citizens of any nation, have the right to have laws that are in the best interests of the general public. This should be the basis of representative democracy. Do excessivly long copyrights serve the public interest? The purpose of a copyright is NOT to simply reward the author, but to reward the author so that he/she moves their work into the public domain. Copyright extention is only valid if it serves the public good.
For example, does allowing the patenting of naturally occuring genes serve the public interest? Or would it be beter for the public to restrict gene patents to use patents as was the original intention for patent laws. Patenting the base codes for finding a particular gene is about as useful as patenting the individual words that a printer can print. The laws simply aren't serving their original intent.
Finally, when all our trading partners are protecting their markets rather fiercely, why shouldn't American workers? The ability to freely use the labor of other countries (even those with abysmal labor rights laws) may help to keep down prices, but it also keeps American wages low. If people in the US don't find this to their advantage, they should oppose it.
If people are trying to reach a 'fair' common ground, you can work with them for a fair solution. If you have powerful opponents out to get all they can regardless of what's 'fair' and the law has failed to stop them, then it's a competition and you fight back however you're able.
conviction under section 1464 for using profane language upheld where "the defendant . . . referred to an individual as 'damned,' . . . used the expression 'By God' irreverently, and . . . announced his intention to call down the curse of God upon certain individuals").
Anyone know if "W" has said anything that could be censored as profane? I'm sure he'd fight it, and the verdict would help to hedge in the definition of profane a little more.
Yup. It seems LOTR has cyclical rebirths in interest. It's like the Civil War that way.... I heard an interesting comment that fascination with the Civil War tends to revive during prolonged periods of peace... I guess us Americans just need our blood fix now and then
It's well documented that Mexican wages have decreased since NAFTA while cost of living has increased. To cite the first source that I could find;
In just the first 30 months after the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed on January 1, 1994, the U.S. lost 600,000 jobs as companies set up more than 2,700 maquiladore export processing zone industries in Mexico alone. After eight years of NAFTA, Mexican wages are down almost 30% while the cost of living increased 247%
http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/global/trade/ftaa my ths.html
Governments like trade agreements resembling NAFTA because it keeps down wages which is good for those big businesses with a lot of political influence. But Mexico nearly had a revolution in response to the economic situation there.
I'm not as read up on the EU, but I'm willing to believe that inter-European trade might be much more beneficial than NAFTA or the WTO, considering Europe has been more careful to bring its member states up to a certain standard as part of admission.
Now that you've found us out, we're going to have to kill you.... incidentally, supplimenting the diet with nutriets isn't 'fooling with the brain' nearly so much as taking drugs that people weren't designed to take.
The developing countries who bought into all this neoliberal garbage are doing horrible. It's developing countries like China, which protect their markets vigorously, that are developing and maintaining their industries. Trade is not about maturity or fairness. It's about getting the best deal that you can. Period.
NAFTA and related agreements with the WTO are causing wages to stagnate. This results in a more uneven distribution of wealth, and a more uneven distribution of political power. People don't have to put up with that if they don't want to. There is absolutly nothing immoral about restricting the terms on which you are willing to trade with another country, or changing those terms in reaction to changing conditions.
If you get screwed doing what you were told, blame yourself or consider it a test.... give offerings of fruit, oil or wine to your small Alan Greenspan statue for good fortune and prosperity.
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But that would make the elven rings open source. And if the elven rings were open source... then Sauroman would have been able to make one....
Don't ya just love obscure examples drawn from the Simaril which are less likely to be understood to than the thing you're trying to describe...
Anyway
In the same way fucking that crazy girl down the street reminds you its not good to fuck crazy girls... I suppose
... Just got a letter from an ex-girlfriend...
And God how I need that reminder now and again.
Just out of curiousity, how'd you get 'a number of incidents like this'.
If you have something that can be used to hurt people, you're required to go so far as to take reasonable steps to prevent it's unauthorized use. The legal term is an 'attractive nusiance.' (Think of putting a fence around the pool in your back yard). Otherwise, you're liable for damage done. The question is whether this applies to software and whether there was 'harm' done. A litigant would have to prove each. IANAL.
Consider attractive nusiance law. If you own a pool, and a kid breaks in and uses your pool and hurts themselves, you can be held liable. You'd have to prove in court that you took reasonable steps to keep other people from using your pool. A court would have to determine whether your effort was reasonable. In this case, the trojan could be considered an attractive nusiance. The programmers obviously weren't making a reasonable effort to keep it from being downloaded (quite the contrary) and can be held liable for any damage that it does.
I love the phrase 'attractive nusiance.'
It perfectly describes some girls I knew in college.
Modern skyscrapers have a metal skeleton and are not pyramid shaped. They are different from structures (the CN tower, Eiffle tower) in that all floors are inhabitable. Chicago has a lot of the the earliest, but the first ones are covered over with stone because people were used to seeing stone buildings. It wasn't till around the 1940s-50 or so (might be off by a one or two decades) that architects started letting the metal superstructure show, as in the Sears Tower (built around 1974).
The conflict created by this change was probaly the most interesting part of Ayn Rand's 'fountainhead'. Of course, I still don't know if it needed to be so *&$% long.
It does prove that there was a record of winemaking before the Romans were in Israel. And he didn't say Noah was the first to 'make wine', he said 'plant a vinyard'. Probably there's an earlier record of vinyard planting somewhere, but the point still serves. No matter how skeptical, you have to acknowledge that a people don't record acts of winemaking before they can do it themselves.
Thus, the Romans did not bring winemaking to the Jewish people. Their records of such acts radically predate the Roman invasion.
Are you sure you're not refering to Atlantis. Another post mentioned that the flood was more likely linked to the flooding of the Black Sea by the Mediterranian which I've heard before. It was larger and more watery and thus a more appropriate choice.
> A show of extreme dating meets tech folks .....
... careful with that welder, son. ;)
>(with hot chicks only)
Co-ed naked Junkyard Wars!
>(Of course, at this point they've only
>agreed to buy.)
At this point, I've onlya agreed to watch.
Given the passage of the bayh (sp?) dole act and 2 technology transfer acts, a lot of academic research is being patented and commodified anyways.
Well, the commies are gone. We have to have some excuse to invade whatever country we want. I think fighting terrorism is a great idea. I just think we should stop funding it while we're at it.
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The US government has carried out operations in Central America that fit every definition of terrorism that the US has put forward
http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=2
i.e. Deliberate attacks on 'soft' (i.e civilian) targets in Nicaragua. You had a church full of civilians slaughtered at El Mozote, El Salvador which was just the worst of a prolonged campaign by the US that fits the definition of terrorism. That included women and Children, who were raped and killed by the Atlacatel(sp), Salvadoran soldiers trained in US counterinsurgency tactics and responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the Salvadoran civil war.
Heck, The US was the one who encouraged Saddam Hussein to use poison gas during the Iran-Iraq war, and gave him many of his 'WMDs.'
The CIA sees the world in terms of straight power relations. "Pre Emptive war" has always been their doctrine. I have no doubt the 'War on Terror' will help America maintain it's position in the world. It might even protect American children by destroying someone who might oneday threaten American interests. But if you think its preventing children from being killed, you've been watching news reports with a direct feed from the government for too long. The 'War on Terror' is not a 'war on terror'. It's a war to attack whomsoever the US pleases for whatever reason that they please.
The CIA is still completly free to use terrorist tactics if they want.
A.B.B.E.R.N.
1. The notion that free trade is good for workers in foreign countries doesn't always pan out. I know that NAFTA actually lowered Mexican wages. The larger the labor pool, the more chances of a labor surplus somewhere, and the easier it is to keep prices closer to subsistenence.
2. The problem is, if you make slave labor legal then the company that uses it has an advantage. Then it's just a race to the bottom as other companies have trouble competing. If we're going to have free trade, we also need certain minimum labor standards, and they need to be enforced as religiously as free trade laws are.
but don't let the government have more power to control us
While I don't like the notion of more restrictions, I'd prefer government officials over unelected officials from the WTO.
There are several problems with this criticism.
1. Copyright which exceeds the life of the author is not something the voting public desired. Intellectual property rights have been extended far past their original intent and people with the money to do it are writing their own laws *cough*Disney*cough*cough*. These laws should not be considered legitimate products of a representative democracy.
2. Shutting down file trading systems because they could be used to transmit copywrited material is like eliminating cell phones because they could be used by drug dealers, or by eliminating sewing machines because they hurt the trade of seamstresses. The current notion that technology should be restricted because it might be used for illegal purposes is is an unfair use of government power.
2. Americans, and citizens of any nation, have the right to have laws that are in the best interests of the general public. This should be the basis of representative democracy. Do excessivly long copyrights serve the public interest? The purpose of a copyright is NOT to simply reward the author, but to reward the author so that he/she moves their work into the public domain. Copyright extention is only valid if it serves the public good.
For example, does allowing the patenting of naturally occuring genes serve the public interest? Or would it be beter for the public to restrict gene patents to use patents as was the original intention for patent laws. Patenting the base codes for finding a particular gene is about as useful as patenting the individual words that a printer can print. The laws simply aren't serving their original intent.
Finally, when all our trading partners are protecting their markets rather fiercely, why shouldn't American workers? The ability to freely use the labor of other countries (even those with abysmal labor rights laws) may help to keep down prices, but it also keeps American wages low. If people in the US don't find this to their advantage, they should oppose it.
If people are trying to reach a 'fair' common ground, you can work with them for a fair solution. If you have powerful opponents out to get all they can regardless of what's 'fair' and the law has failed to stop them, then it's a competition and you fight back however you're able.
conviction under section 1464 for using profane language upheld where "the defendant . . . referred to an individual as 'damned,' . . . used the expression 'By God' irreverently, and . . . announced his intention to call down the curse of God upon certain individuals").
Anyone know if "W" has said anything that could be censored as profane? I'm sure he'd fight it, and the verdict would help to hedge in the definition of profane a little more.
Looking at the cheerleaders, if you have to ask what their sex is, you're definitly confused.
Nope, you're wrong. I ain't married.
Yup. It seems LOTR has cyclical rebirths in interest. It's like the Civil War that way. ... I heard an interesting comment that fascination with the Civil War tends to revive during prolonged periods of peace... I guess us Americans just need our blood fix now and then
It's well documented that Mexican wages have decreased since NAFTA while cost of living has increased. To cite the first source that I could find;
a my ths.html
In just the first 30 months after the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed on January 1, 1994, the U.S. lost 600,000 jobs as companies set up more than 2,700 maquiladore export processing zone industries in Mexico alone. After eight years of NAFTA, Mexican wages are down almost 30% while the cost of living increased 247%
http://www.foodfirst.org/progs/global/trade/fta
Governments like trade agreements resembling NAFTA because it keeps down wages which is good for those big businesses with a lot of political influence. But Mexico nearly had a revolution in response to the economic situation there.
I'm not as read up on the EU, but I'm willing to believe that inter-European trade might be much more beneficial than NAFTA or the WTO, considering Europe has been more careful to bring its member states up to a certain standard as part of admission.
Now that you've found us out, we're going to have to kill you. ... incidentally, supplimenting the diet with nutriets isn't 'fooling with the brain' nearly so much as taking drugs that people weren't designed to take.
RTFA
It's trying to use this evidence to explain why choline suppliments increased the congnitive functions of adult rats.
Thank you sir. I'd tip my hat to you, sir, if I had one and a fine morning, afternoon, or night depending on when you read this.
The developing countries who bought into all this neoliberal garbage are doing horrible. It's developing countries like China, which protect their markets vigorously, that are developing and maintaining their industries. Trade is not about maturity or fairness. It's about getting the best deal that you can. Period.
NAFTA and related agreements with the WTO are causing wages to stagnate. This results in a more uneven distribution of wealth, and a more uneven distribution of political power. People don't have to put up with that if they don't want to. There is absolutly nothing immoral about restricting the terms on which you are willing to trade with another country, or changing those terms in reaction to changing conditions.
Yeah, free trade is like religion.
... give offerings of fruit, oil or wine to your small Alan Greenspan statue for good fortune and prosperity.
You take it on faith
If you get screwed doing what you were told, blame yourself or consider it a test.