A french copmpany. The link says it is the French based company Infogrames Entertainment S.A.
Wikipedia says "Infogrames Entertainment SA (IESA) (Euronext: IFG) is an international holding company headquartered in Villeurbanne, Lyon, France. It owns 51.2 percent of Atari, Inc., headquartered in New York, N.Y., USA, and Atari Europe."
It is a multinational corporation headquartered in France.
I'm wondering what Lego holds patents on? Also, what patents they once held that have expired? I remember Legos from when I was a kid, and I'm over 50. The design patent on the original blocks has to have expired long ago.
No, it is what I said it was, an illustration, NOT "proof of a universal by example". I'd say it illustrates the lack of education in whatever country you're from to misunderstand the difference between an illustration and proof.
As to education in America, yes it lacks, and does so badly. In fact, they didn't even teach what an Ad hominem attack is.
you are using anecdotal evidence, not statistical data here
It's not evidence, it's an illustration taken from real life. You don't need statistics to show how a gear works.
Your argument would have carried more weight had you linked to statistics showing a correletion between obesity and lifetime health care costs.
And since "currently, our government wastes so much money on stupid wars and other things it probably doesn't make much of a difference" maybe we should join the civilized world and enact universal health care?
To put it bluntly, show me the fucking statistics and I'll look at them. I demonstrated with an EXAMPLE exactly WHY smokers and the obese don't cost society.
I'm neither a smoker (quit in 1999) nor obese; in fact my problem is I'm too skinny.
It's not just the killing blow that costs, it's the increased doctor visits and tests and hospital stays leading up to it.
That's everybody - smoker, nonsmoker, fat, and skinny. Almost nobody lives 80 years and then dies peacefully in their sleep.
I was always impressed with how fast pages loaded, after seeing how small their operation is I'm even more impressed now!
Go to any newspaper from the NYT to any one in a smaller city (say, Springfield's State Journal-Register) and the difference in load times is HUGE. Probably has to do with all the ads served from third party servers in the newspapers, what's the use of having a humungous server with giant pipes if your readers' pages have to wait for a flash ad served from a 486 powered by gerbils?
If I link to the SJR form one of my journals it slows down! I mean, I can see if it's a front page slashdotting a little paper like that but come on, a user journal?
And Wikipedia isn't all their servers serve; iinm the uncyclopedia shares servers. Impressive, indeed.
If I had only known the IT world would turn into what it is now, I'd do something else. Too much politics... To much hype
That's going to be the case in any field. I would imagine that economics would be worse than most in those respects, so you may be lucky. Forestry might limit your job opportunities.
However, one could also argue that it's the involuntary removal of life that is the greatest harm
That would be my stance.
But we are a society. We must make a clear decision on what is worse: suffering or death.
I don't think that my society has the right to choose between my suffering or my death. I see that as one's own personal decision; or it should be, at any rate.
I know thin people who go to the doctor for every ache and pain as well. It's not his obesity that sends him to the doctor, it's hypochondria. He's going to the wrong doctor - he needs a shrink. They have very good treatments for most mental disorders nowadays.
When I was in the Air Force in the early seventies, I worked with a weight lifter. This guy made Arnold Schwarzenegger look small; I doubt he had a single pound of body fat; all muscle and bone.
The AF instituted a "fat boy" program, you weren't allowed to be over a certain weight for a given height. Unfortunately for the weight lifter, muscle is denser than fat and he weighed too much!
The poor fellow was a career man and almost got thrown out of the military for being too fit. He finally passed his weight test by drinking coffee and beer all night, pissing out much of his water weight. Not healthy of course, but he got to stay in the AF.
If we simulate everything that happens between those inputs and outputs, then we will be able to replicate thought.
No, it will still be a simulation. Thoughts and feelings are chemical reactions. You can simulate a chemical reaction on a computer, but it is still a simulation.
Plus, before you can accurately simulate a thing you must understand it. We don't even know what "thought" is or what "feelings" are. Do they reach the atomic level? Subatomic level? Or merely molecular level? We not only have no idea, we have no clue.
They're not my historical anecdotes, they're wikipedia's. You can change it if you want (but they'll change it right back).
Since you obviously have a problem with wikipedia's accuracy, I looked it up on uncyclopedia. Unfortionately, according to the uncyclopedia, petards don't exist. But Picard does. According to uncyclopedia, what Shakespeare said was "He was hoist by his own Picard".
There are those who say smokers cost society money and the same busybodies will talk about how fat people, too, cost money because of the health risks, but it's bunk. It's based on the stupidly false premise that one can live forever. The reason it's stupid is illustrated by my late granmother and her late son, my uncle.
Uncle Bill smoked four packs of Kools every day since he was about twelve. He contracted emphysema and died in his early sixties.
Uncle Bill, a WWII veteran, worked all his life and paid into Social Security from its inception until his death, and never collected a single SS benefit. He never went to a doctor on Mediacre's dime either - he didn't live long enough. He went to the hospital and died expensively, like everybody else.
Grandma, a healthy nonsmoker, collected Social Security for almost forty years, going to the doctor almost every week, paid for by medicare. At age 99 she fell down in the nursinng home and broke her hip, spent a week in the hospital and died expensively, like everybody else.
Smokers and fat people don't cost the medical system money; it's only the living that go to doctors.
The way to solve Social Security is to get all the geezers to start smoking and going to Burger King again. Dead men don't collect Social Security.
To say that smokers and fat people cost society is a big fat stinking baldfaced lie. Being a fat smoker doesn't send you to the doctor more often than thin nonsmokers, it kills you.
I've been thin all my life; in fact not thin but skinny. Right now I'm trying to gain weight (I';ve been therefore eating at McDonald's and drinking beer a lot).
My waist is 32 inches. They want people over 40 to have waist sizes of less than 33?
And without taking into account that someone seven feet tall should have a bigger waist than someone four feet tall?
A little almost on topic background to the cliche "Hoist with his own petard" before getting entirely ON topic:
A petard was a small medieval bomb used to blow up gates and walls when breaching fortifications. In a typical implementation, it was commonly either a conical or rectangular metal object containing 5 or 6 pounds of gun powder, activated with a slow match used as a fuse. It was often placed either inside tunnels under walls, or directly upon gates. When placed inside a tunnel under a wall and exploded, large amounts of air would often be released from the tunnel, as the tunnel collapsed. By securing the device firmly to the gate, the shape of the device allows the concussive pressure of the blast to be applied entirely towards the destruction of the gate. Depending on design, a petard could be secured by propping it against the gate using beams as illustrated, or nailing it in place by way of a wooden board fixed to the end of the petard in advance.
The word remains in modern usage in the phrase to be hoist by one's own petard, which means "to be harmed by one's own plan to harm someone else" or "to fall in one's own trap", literally implying that one could be lifted up (hoisted, or blown upward) by one's own bomb. Shakespeare used the now proverbial phrase in Hamlet.
In medieval and Renaissance siege warfare, a common tactic was to dig a shallow trench close to the enemy gate, and then erect a small hoisting engine that would lift the lit petard out of the trench, swing it up, out, and over to the gate, where it would detonate and hopefully breach the gate. It was not impossible, however, that this procedure would go awry, and the engineer lighting the bomb could be snagged in the ropes and lifted out with the petard and consequently blown up. Alternately, and perhaps a more likely scenario, if the petard were to detonate prematurely due to a faulty or short slow match, the engineer would be lifted or 'hoist' by the explosion.
Thus to be 'hoist with his own petar' is to be caught up and destroyed by his own plot. Hamlet's actual meaning is "cause the bomb maker to be blown up with his own bomb", metaphorically turning the tables on Claudius, whose messengers are killed instead of Hamlet. Also note here, Shakespeare's probable off-color pun "hoisted with his own petar" (i.e., fart) as reason for the spelling "petar" rather than "petard".
My thought on using google trends is that perhaps the petard hasn't yet detonated, and may well not detonate at all.
The only reason one would look up "apple pie" would be to get a recipe for it. And "orgy" could mean, according to wikipedia, asecret cultic congregation at nighttime in Ancient Greek religion; a synth rock band from Los Angeles, California named "Orgy"; or a musical marathon radio format created by WHRB 95.3 in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Perhaps the defense should look up some other words besides "apple pie" and "orgy". Perhaps "vinyl siding" and "anal sex" would be better search terms. Surely the prosecution will see this and counter.
Obviously both abortion and euthanasia harm patients.
Obviously you haven't given it any thought, or seen anyone die of cancer. If I'm dying of cancer, and am in severe pain and will never be able to get out of bed again, sentenced to death by the horrible torture cancer is, witholding euthanasia is doing me GREAT harm.
If a thirteen year old girl is pregnant because she's been raped, withholding an abortion is likewise doing great harm.
If something that people are arguing about vehemently seems "obvious" to you, perhaps you should get off your high horse and listen to the people with opposing views. Things might not seem so obvious then.
No need to increase your vitamin intake, and no need to go outside. A good multivitamin will give you all the vitamins you need, and without exposing yourself to sunlight.
The real world example is even worse than your fictional one.
Let's say you were a struggling actor trying to get your name out there, then you were falsely accused of child molestation. Let's say that you were then completely exonerated, received damages, public apology etc.
Lets say you are an established comic actor being asked to play a prominent part in an Adam Sandler movie that has a lot of other good comedians in it, but the character you are asked to play is a child molester?
Little Nicky begins with a peeping tom in a tree trying to watch a woman disrobe, only to have her kid constantly get in the way.
The actor (not mentioned in the wikipedia article; I think it was Jim belushi but it's been awhile since I saw the movie or read about this incident) had the script changed from the original, which had him not as a peeping tom but as a child molester.
Does an evil Frenchman own it? If I can buy stock in Atari it's not a French company, is it? It's a MULTINATIONAL company, which IMO would make it an evil company.
BP isn't British, Sony isn't Japanese and Shell isn't Dutch. Anybody in the world can buy stock in them.
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A french copmpany. The link says it is the French based company Infogrames Entertainment S.A.
Wikipedia says "Infogrames Entertainment SA (IESA) (Euronext: IFG) is an international holding company headquartered in Villeurbanne, Lyon, France. It owns 51.2 percent of Atari, Inc., headquartered in New York, N.Y., USA, and Atari Europe."
It is a multinational corporation headquartered in France.
I'm wondering what Lego holds patents on? Also, what patents they once held that have expired? I remember Legos from when I was a kid, and I'm over 50. The design patent on the original blocks has to have expired long ago.
I'm more reminded of an Asimov novel, Pebble in the Sky.
No, it is what I said it was, an illustration, NOT "proof of a universal by example". I'd say it illustrates the lack of education in whatever country you're from to misunderstand the difference between an illustration and proof.
As to education in America, yes it lacks, and does so badly. In fact, they didn't even teach what an Ad hominem attack is.
you are using anecdotal evidence, not statistical data here
It's not evidence, it's an illustration taken from real life. You don't need statistics to show how a gear works.
Your argument would have carried more weight had you linked to statistics showing a correletion between obesity and lifetime health care costs.
And since "currently, our government wastes so much money on stupid wars and other things it probably doesn't make much of a difference" maybe we should join the civilized world and enact universal health care?
To put it bluntly, look at the fucking statistics
To put it bluntly, show me the fucking statistics and I'll look at them. I demonstrated with an EXAMPLE exactly WHY smokers and the obese don't cost society.
I'm neither a smoker (quit in 1999) nor obese; in fact my problem is I'm too skinny.
It's not just the killing blow that costs, it's the increased doctor visits and tests and hospital stays leading up to it.
That's everybody - smoker, nonsmoker, fat, and skinny. Almost nobody lives 80 years and then dies peacefully in their sleep.
How many smokers live to be a hundred?
I was always impressed with how fast pages loaded, after seeing how small their operation is I'm even more impressed now!
Go to any newspaper from the NYT to any one in a smaller city (say, Springfield's State Journal-Register) and the difference in load times is HUGE. Probably has to do with all the ads served from third party servers in the newspapers, what's the use of having a humungous server with giant pipes if your readers' pages have to wait for a flash ad served from a 486 powered by gerbils?
If I link to the SJR form one of my journals it slows down! I mean, I can see if it's a front page slashdotting a little paper like that but come on, a user journal?
And Wikipedia isn't all their servers serve; iinm the uncyclopedia shares servers. Impressive, indeed.
If I had only known the IT world would turn into what it is now, I'd do something else. Too much politics... To much hype
That's going to be the case in any field. I would imagine that economics would be worse than most in those respects, so you may be lucky. Forestry might limit your job opportunities.
However, one could also argue that it's the involuntary removal of life that is the greatest harm
That would be my stance.
But we are a society. We must make a clear decision on what is worse: suffering or death.
I don't think that my society has the right to choose between my suffering or my death. I see that as one's own personal decision; or it should be, at any rate.
I know thin people who go to the doctor for every ache and pain as well. It's not his obesity that sends him to the doctor, it's hypochondria. He's going to the wrong doctor - he needs a shrink. They have very good treatments for most mental disorders nowadays.
mmmmm.....pie.
Apple pie or hair pie?
When I was in the Air Force in the early seventies, I worked with a weight lifter. This guy made Arnold Schwarzenegger look small; I doubt he had a single pound of body fat; all muscle and bone.
The AF instituted a "fat boy" program, you weren't allowed to be over a certain weight for a given height. Unfortunately for the weight lifter, muscle is denser than fat and he weighed too much!
The poor fellow was a career man and almost got thrown out of the military for being too fit. He finally passed his weight test by drinking coffee and beer all night, pissing out much of his water weight. Not healthy of course, but he got to stay in the AF.
If we simulate everything that happens between those inputs and outputs, then we will be able to replicate thought.
No, it will still be a simulation. Thoughts and feelings are chemical reactions. You can simulate a chemical reaction on a computer, but it is still a simulation.
Plus, before you can accurately simulate a thing you must understand it. We don't even know what "thought" is or what "feelings" are. Do they reach the atomic level? Subatomic level? Or merely molecular level? We not only have no idea, we have no clue.
They're not my historical anecdotes, they're wikipedia's. You can change it if you want (but they'll change it right back).
Since you obviously have a problem with wikipedia's accuracy, I looked it up on uncyclopedia. Unfortionately, according to the uncyclopedia, petards don't exist. But Picard does. According to uncyclopedia, what Shakespeare said was "He was hoist by his own Picard".
A good multivitamin will usually give you mire than the RDA of most vitamins, and you'll get most of the rest from food.
There are those who say smokers cost society money and the same busybodies will talk about how fat people, too, cost money because of the health risks, but it's bunk. It's based on the stupidly false premise that one can live forever. The reason it's stupid is illustrated by my late granmother and her late son, my uncle.
Uncle Bill smoked four packs of Kools every day since he was about twelve. He contracted emphysema and died in his early sixties.
Uncle Bill, a WWII veteran, worked all his life and paid into Social Security from its inception until his death, and never collected a single SS benefit. He never went to a doctor on Mediacre's dime either - he didn't live long enough. He went to the hospital and died expensively, like everybody else.
Grandma, a healthy nonsmoker, collected Social Security for almost forty years, going to the doctor almost every week, paid for by medicare. At age 99 she fell down in the nursinng home and broke her hip, spent a week in the hospital and died expensively, like everybody else.
Smokers and fat people don't cost the medical system money; it's only the living that go to doctors.
The way to solve Social Security is to get all the geezers to start smoking and going to Burger King again. Dead men don't collect Social Security.
To say that smokers and fat people cost society is a big fat stinking baldfaced lie. Being a fat smoker doesn't send you to the doctor more often than thin nonsmokers, it kills you.
I've been thin all my life; in fact not thin but skinny. Right now I'm trying to gain weight (I';ve been therefore eating at McDonald's and drinking beer a lot).
My waist is 32 inches. They want people over 40 to have waist sizes of less than 33?
And without taking into account that someone seven feet tall should have a bigger waist than someone four feet tall?
What's next, legislating hat sizes?
Yes, that's true of "small town hicks", but it's also true of New Yorkers, Californians, and everybody else.
A little almost on topic background to the cliche "Hoist with his own petard" before getting entirely ON topic:
My thought on using google trends is that perhaps the petard hasn't yet detonated, and may well not detonate at all.The only reason one would look up "apple pie" would be to get a recipe for it. And "orgy" could mean, according to wikipedia, asecret cultic congregation at nighttime in Ancient Greek religion; a synth rock band from Los Angeles, California named "Orgy"; or a musical marathon radio format created by WHRB 95.3 in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Perhaps the defense should look up some other words besides "apple pie" and "orgy". Perhaps "vinyl siding" and "anal sex" would be better search terms. Surely the prosecution will see this and counter.
We can simulate an H-bomb blast, but no radiation is released. You can crash a driving or flight simulator and you'll never get scratched or bruised.
Simulation is not reality. Modeling the brain exactly will not yield thought any more than modeling a fusion reaction will yield energy.
Obviously both abortion and euthanasia harm patients.
Obviously you haven't given it any thought, or seen anyone die of cancer. If I'm dying of cancer, and am in severe pain and will never be able to get out of bed again, sentenced to death by the horrible torture cancer is, witholding euthanasia is doing me GREAT harm.
If a thirteen year old girl is pregnant because she's been raped, withholding an abortion is likewise doing great harm.
If something that people are arguing about vehemently seems "obvious" to you, perhaps you should get off your high horse and listen to the people with opposing views. Things might not seem so obvious then.
No need to increase your vitamin intake, and no need to go outside. A good multivitamin will give you all the vitamins you need, and without exposing yourself to sunlight.
This is a non-story.
The real world example is even worse than your fictional one.
Let's say you were a struggling actor trying to get your name out there, then you were falsely accused of child molestation. Let's say that you were then completely exonerated, received damages, public apology etc.
Lets say you are an established comic actor being asked to play a prominent part in an Adam Sandler movie that has a lot of other good comedians in it, but the character you are asked to play is a child molester?
Little Nicky begins with a peeping tom in a tree trying to watch a woman disrobe, only to have her kid constantly get in the way.
The actor (not mentioned in the wikipedia article; I think it was Jim belushi but it's been awhile since I saw the movie or read about this incident) had the script changed from the original, which had him not as a peeping tom but as a child molester.
Atari is an evil French company
Does an evil Frenchman own it? If I can buy stock in Atari it's not a French company, is it? It's a MULTINATIONAL company, which IMO would make it an evil company.
BP isn't British, Sony isn't Japanese and Shell isn't Dutch. Anybody in the world can buy stock in them.