Heh. I was about to head out, hence the terse reply. It doesn't quite match up with the $1999 MBP of today, granted, but it's on par with the MBP of the time I purchased it--I did a side-by-side with a friend's MBP's spec list, and the variance wasn't huge.
-Core Duo 1.83GHz (Core 2 hadn't come out yet and the MBP had, IIRC, the same processor) -2GB RAM -60GB hard drive. Divided in thirds between Linux, Windows, and a shared partition. I could have gone with a bigger hard drive, but I carry an external anyway, so I felt like saving a few bucks. -15.4-in. display without the shitty gloss screen--matte all the way -ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 (best offered when I bought the machine) -DVD burner, don't recall the speed offhand
Similar CPU speed, more RAM, two more USB ports. Two are in an odd place, though, on the right side of the chassis, where I'd expect them to be on the left, same side as the CD/DVD drive. Makes them a bit inconvenient, but usable in a pinch. It also has a Ricoh SD/MMC slot. One thing that was odd about this when I bought it was that there is no separate line-in and microphone jack; the on-board software detects a plug's insertion and asks the user if it's a microphone or line-in. That software doesn't work under Linux, but it serves as a perfectly normal microphone adapter.
That E1505 cost me $850 after a rebate and haggling with their phone staff. I did also get it during a promotion where the RAM upgrade was free. An MBP costs $1999. Even today, in a side-by-side comparison with a new MBP, I'd be hard-pressed to see what in the machine would be worth $1100 more.
I'll admit that the lighted keyboard is cool, and I'm tempted to hardware-hack my own into this one when I get a new keyboard (the keys are smoothing and wearing down due to use), though I likely won't. But OS X, a lighted keyboard, and a miserable-resolution camera certainly aren't worth that much money.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Right up there with stupid sayings like Treacherous Computing.
When will you get it through your heads that nobody outside of Slashdot and the tech community really cares about these issues? You just make yourself look like some moron with an axe to grind.
You're a geek. You understand these issues. Average people don't, and won't until it actually hits them. There is nothing you can do to accelerate this. They will always listen to their sales drones before they listen to one of their Bobs.
Weren't the FSF and the rest pissy about Microsoft co-opting the word "genuine"? How is this any better?
Meh. The keyboard comment came from personal experience. I'm writing this on an Inspiron E1505, which is a fine keyboard. I keep it clean of food mostly by not eating at my computer.
MacBook keyboards hurt like hell to type on. I had to use my roommate's to type up a paper for class last semester. My hands hurt afterwards. There's not enough give and they just don't feel right.
My Inspiron cost (after some phone haggling) $850 or so. An equivalent PowerB--er, sorry, MacBook Pro--would be about $2000. I see a slight problem there. I'd buy an Intel MBP, though (and promptly put Windows and Linux on it) if it had two mouse buttons and the old PowerBook trackball.
Incredimail's stuff has borked my mail server more than once. It caused sendmail to drop any mail infected with that stuff on the floor, and clients complained to no end.
It might be "cute," but it needs to die a horrible, horrible death.
When flash storage costs about the same per gigabyte as hard disk space and can go up to similar volumes in similar space, THEN hard drives might go out. 'course, it'd help if flash storage didn't go bad after X number of writes...
The Java library is an elephantine monstrosity. Virtually every language (even stuff that does things similarly, like.NET) is cleaner, more easy to use, and doesn't have two entirely separate, deficient-in-different-ways windowing toolkits. That's why I say libc "does its job well". It does not try to overreach and do everything. It does what a core library needs to do, and doesn't try to be more than that.
And the moderator who moderated my post above "overrated" is a dipshit. Don't moderate things overrated because you disagree with them.
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Heh. I was about to head out, hence the terse reply. It doesn't quite match up with the $1999 MBP of today, granted, but it's on par with the MBP of the time I purchased it--I did a side-by-side with a friend's MBP's spec list, and the variance wasn't huge.
-Core Duo 1.83GHz (Core 2 hadn't come out yet and the MBP had, IIRC, the same processor)
-2GB RAM
-60GB hard drive. Divided in thirds between Linux, Windows, and a shared partition. I could have gone with a bigger hard drive, but I carry an external anyway, so I felt like saving a few bucks.
-15.4-in. display without the shitty gloss screen--matte all the way
-ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 (best offered when I bought the machine)
-DVD burner, don't recall the speed offhand
Similar CPU speed, more RAM, two more USB ports. Two are in an odd place, though, on the right side of the chassis, where I'd expect them to be on the left, same side as the CD/DVD drive. Makes them a bit inconvenient, but usable in a pinch. It also has a Ricoh SD/MMC slot. One thing that was odd about this when I bought it was that there is no separate line-in and microphone jack; the on-board software detects a plug's insertion and asks the user if it's a microphone or line-in. That software doesn't work under Linux, but it serves as a perfectly normal microphone adapter.
That E1505 cost me $850 after a rebate and haggling with their phone staff. I did also get it during a promotion where the RAM upgrade was free. An MBP costs $1999. Even today, in a side-by-side comparison with a new MBP, I'd be hard-pressed to see what in the machine would be worth $1100 more.
I'll admit that the lighted keyboard is cool, and I'm tempted to hardware-hack my own into this one when I get a new keyboard (the keys are smoothing and wearing down due to use), though I likely won't. But OS X, a lighted keyboard, and a miserable-resolution camera certainly aren't worth that much money.
rms is not the FSF. The FSF is not rms.
And I would suggest that you concentrate on your English skills. Those are a higher priority than some grotty programming language like Ruby.
No no no. The marketers are the ones who say the crazy stuff first. Sales is too clueless to question it.
Well, first, if it's on .Net you would be using Mono, not WINE, which already does support most of .NET 2.
.NET 1 really well, but the .NET 2 support is miserably weak. Mostly nonexistent.
Not really true. It supports
Shut up, you. ;)
Pedants! Can't live with 'em, can't light 'em on fire. (Or can I...?)
Psion, Scion...okay, yeah, I play too many video games.
I don't care why it's ugly, though. It's still ugly.
You are violating the holy principles of the Slashbots.
Stop that.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Right up there with stupid sayings like Treacherous Computing.
When will you get it through your heads that nobody outside of Slashdot and the tech community really cares about these issues? You just make yourself look like some moron with an axe to grind.
You're a geek. You understand these issues. Average people don't, and won't until it actually hits them. There is nothing you can do to accelerate this. They will always listen to their sales drones before they listen to one of their Bobs.
Weren't the FSF and the rest pissy about Microsoft co-opting the word "genuine"? How is this any better?
Honda Element? Psion xB?
I think there are still weighty challengers.
One bred steer can father 200,000-300,000 offspring in its lifetime.
You can theoretically clone infinite copies of that parent (as infinite as your supply of DNA is, anyway).
Seems fairly efficient to me, if you want the best steak out there.
Saddam Hussein didn't dance a necktie-party jig.
Where did I say it was a stock E1505?
And if you call them, their prices go way down, very quickly.
the incivility of the "discourse" I found there made /. look like the British Parliament.
Congress--with a two drink minimum!
Meh. The keyboard comment came from personal experience. I'm writing this on an Inspiron E1505, which is a fine keyboard. I keep it clean of food mostly by not eating at my computer.
MacBook keyboards hurt like hell to type on. I had to use my roommate's to type up a paper for class last semester. My hands hurt afterwards. There's not enough give and they just don't feel right.
My Inspiron cost (after some phone haggling) $850 or so. An equivalent PowerB--er, sorry, MacBook Pro--would be about $2000. I see a slight problem there. I'd buy an Intel MBP, though (and promptly put Windows and Linux on it) if it had two mouse buttons and the old PowerBook trackball.
About as hard as GUIs designed for twelve-year-olds. (Kaff, kaff, Aqua, I'm looking at you.)
I'll stick with hard drives until I can get a solid 750GB of flash storage in the same volume of space. I do video editing. I *need* that space.
There is no chance of "extinction" for hard drives any time soon.
Who the hell would buy a MacBook? The bloody things don't even have keyboards. (THAT travesty is not a keyboard.)
Incredimail's stuff has borked my mail server more than once. It caused sendmail to drop any mail infected with that stuff on the floor, and clients complained to no end.
It might be "cute," but it needs to die a horrible, horrible death.
Extinct in five years? No, no, no.
When flash storage costs about the same per gigabyte as hard disk space and can go up to similar volumes in similar space, THEN hard drives might go out. 'course, it'd help if flash storage didn't go bad after X number of writes...
Though I am a Kubuntu user, I don't particularly care one way or the other whether people use Windows or Linux. But...seriously...
Incredimail blows hard.
Why would anyone use that trash?
You assume that everyone drools over Digg and Reddit. I've never visited Reddit and I hate Digg.
He asked for a Linux system, numbnuts. Not a user-coddling half-a-*NIX.
Yeah, you probably should try D&D too.
The Java library is an elephantine monstrosity. Virtually every language (even stuff that does things similarly, like .NET) is cleaner, more easy to use, and doesn't have two entirely separate, deficient-in-different-ways windowing toolkits. That's why I say libc "does its job well". It does not try to overreach and do everything. It does what a core library needs to do, and doesn't try to be more than that.
And the moderator who moderated my post above "overrated" is a dipshit. Don't moderate things overrated because you disagree with them.
Right. But he had the presence of mind to call his lawyer BEFORE calling the police. That isn't panicking, that's covering his ass.