I neither said, nor intended to imply, that copyright law allows you to take those media only disks and install the software on an unlimited number of machines. You invented that out of whole cloth.
How is "Copyright law gives you the right to use it if you legally possess a copy of it" not suggesting I can use the $25 media-only software without buying a license?
And how does your quote above have anything to do with this question? You're just proving my point.
You talk about making copies of a disc. Fine, make copies. I never said there was any issue with making copies. Buy a $25 copy of the MS Exchange software and make a million copies. Perfectly legal. No argument from me.
I'm talking about, what happens when you take the original disk or any of the copies and try to install the software. That's where the licensing issue comes in. That goes to your original point of, if you have a legal copy of the media, then you can run it.
How does your second point about making copies have anything to do with your first point about using?
Again, not to pick on you. No one on/. (with very very few exceptions) (including myself) posts anything in regard to legal issues that has any accuracy.
Copyright law gives you the right to use it if you legally possess a copy of it (IANAL, etc).
Really? So any microsoft software is only $25? Exchange, MS SQL, Server...all for $25 a pop?
That's the going price of media through MS's business licensing program. MS will try to get you to buy expensive licenses, but according to whoever57, once you have the disc, you're all clear!
Let me walk down to the IT dept for my employer and let them know I just found a way to save the company $millions. I'll be a hero!
Tens of thousands of workstations? I got an XP disk! Corporate-wide Exchange? I got a disk! Dozens of applications using MS SQL? Disk!
That warning on the disc, about how a license is required to run the software? That doesn't mean anything. Just ask my lawyer whoever57. Well, not really a lawyer, but he plays one on slashdot.
I don't mean to pick on whoever57, but really, for a crowd that likes to portray of itself as intelligent and sophisticated, you folks don't know jack and refuse to admit it.
I understand these IP/copyright/trademark/patent stories are of great interest. Any chance we can get them posted as read only, with no comments? Basically, within a very margin of error, no one on slashdot knows anything about these subjects.
And conditioning your uniformed opinion with "IANAL" does not make it any less uninformed.
BTW, next time you go a resturant, refuse to see a menu before you give your order to the waiter.
Then you can claim there was no contract for you to exchange money for food, and the meal is free!
The only point you hit was your first. One winner just encourages the crowd of losers.
But card counting is very possible, and without much practice. How do I know? I did it.
I am not a wealthy card cheat--I am not wealthy and not a cheat. (I don't consider using my brain cheating.)
As for wild and obvious swings in betting--sure, if you're trying to pay for Harvard Law over the course of a semester. But if you're just looking a couple hundred for a nice dinner, you could for example, play $15 a hand and bump up to $25 when you "have a good feeling."
You won't be flying home first class, but you won't be attracting any goons either. What you will get is an afternoon of fun, and after tipping the dealers and land stewardesses, enough for a nice dinner.
I don't know where you get the ban on entering mid-shuffle. (And in any case, a larger shoe is an advantage to the player. It makes higher counts more probable.) Whatever. Just because you couldn't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
For motivation, replies are basically falling into two categories: money and recognition. I'd like both, but either is fine.
For the folks that say recognition is corporate-speak for no money and cash is king, where did Linux come from? For that matter, where is money to be made putting effort into an insightful/. comment?
But your #1 barrier, as an employer trying to spark employee innovation, is yourself.
No gets any satisfaction seeing their great idea die. There's no money or recognition in getting your suggestion lost in committee.
My current employer talks about wanting employees to take initiative, but to get anything done I'd have to get sign off from half a dozen managers, squeeze a couple hours of meetings each week into an already over-loaded schedule, kill half an acre of rain forest in paper for reports and project plans and risks assessments, and so on and so on.
Forget innovation, I'd like to fix bugs. For example, my app has a data file we send over to another app. We occassionally send over duplicate records, causing the other app to choke on the import. This issue pre-dates me joining the group, it is well know and years old.
My suggestion? On the query to create the data file, use "select distinct" in place of "select." Presto, no more duplicates.
For reasons I still don't understand, this resolution is not acceptable. So we have hours of meetings, and expend resources on containment of the issue after the fact, and never address the root cause.
For the most part, employees want to do a good job. More than that, they really do want that feeling of accomplishment. An employer, the best thing you can do is get out of the way.
The Wallys of the world aren't born, they are made.
If the popular vote truly counted, that would be a very compelling reason to register and/or go out and vote.
I would think just the opposite. If an individual voter stays home on election day, thinking, "my vote doesn't count, the electors just go by the entire state," won't the entire state stay home?
Iowa has what, 3 million people? In contrast, NYC alone has over 8 million. (I'm presuming for sake of comparison the % of eleigible voters is roughly the same.)
Basically, if under this plan instead of the individual vote of an Iowan getting lost in a sea of 3 million people, it get's lost in a sea of 300 million.
If you're not registered/don't vote because of the EC, this certainly isn't going to change your mind.
You're not happy at the job and are looking to move on to new challenges. It doesn't sound like these challenges you're looking for include owner part of an IT company--especially you since you wouldn't be getting, you know, any of the benefits of ownership. You wouldn't get an additional revenue stream. You wouldn't get any say over the direction the company takes. You wouldn't get to boss people around.
On top of continuing in a job you are ready to leave, every one around you would know you are ready to leave. You really think you're going to figure into your boss's long term plans when he knows mentally you're already gone?
And offices gossip. Expect this to get out. Maybe not exact figures, but certainly the generalities. Any chance the loyal employee who has been busting his hump for this little engine since day 1 might feel a little bitter finding out the traitor who was ready to leave gets rewarded for betraying the company?
You'll still be in a job you don't like. You won't be making any more money. Your career advancement will halt. Your coworkers will resent you.
All for the long shot chance that at some point in some unknown future you might reap some unspecified benefit.
Oh, btw, where is this 10% coming from? Is the owner with 60% ownership giving you 10% of his stake, leaving him with 50%?
I'm guessing they're pulling this 10% out of thin air, devaluing all the other owners. The 100% they had will now only be worth 90%.
And I'm guessing the next hot shot who tries to bolt will get the same offer. And his 10% will come out of your share, which will be worth only 9%.
Don't burn bridges. Say "thank you for the generous offer."
Turning on the clicker actually helped. That sort of audio feedback usually seems superfluous. (I'm hitting the buttons on the microwave. I see the display changing. Do I really needs the beeps?) But in this case, it helps.
And I figured out although I can't adjust the volume in any context, the pause button does work all the time. I didn't have iTunes normalize volume when ripped CDs and sometime shuffle goes to from a soft etude to a death metal anthem. It's nice to have an alternative to ripping the headphones off my head.
Hay, no problem. Yes, I honestly have some issues working my iPod and am looking for help, but I do not disagree my orignal post may have had a slightly disagreeable tone;)
I will give the audio cue a try. I think one of the first things I did with the iPod was turn down the volume of the clicks and navigational sounds effects.
I admit my post was trollish, but I assure you I am quite ingenuous with my frustration with my iPod. (Or whatever is the opposite of disingenuous.)
Yes, the scroll wheel controls the volume...but only in a certain context. It is a general control which sometimes can be used for volume. It is not a volume control.
If the display is anywhere but the screen showing details of the song currently playing, how do I control the volume? I'm scrolling through a lit of albums while music currently playing. I want to adjust the volume. How do I do that? (I have a new iPod Classic.)
I'm seriously asking. Maybe I'm too old to learn new gadgets. I'd RTFM, but manuals must not be cool. The iPod doesn't come with one.
And one click on the scroll wheel. Yes, I know one click moves the selection one menu item. What I don't know is, what is one click? How far around the wheel is one click? Am I just supposed to guess?
I either get no movement at all on the menu, or I get several clicks. When I want to go one click, I end up having to go 4 or 5 clicks up, and then 3 or 4 clicks down. A manual might be a good place for tips on using the interface, but again, no manual.
I won't argue my level of douchbaggery, but I assure I have no issue with iPod users. You like your iPod, it works for you--fine by me. I do have issues with my iPod. It does not work for me.
Let me say, I am eager to be proven wrong. I've gone through the trouble of ripping 500-something CDs into the dern thing. I'd much rather learn how to use it than junk it for a new device.
Please, show me how wrong I am. Show me how to control the volume from any context. Teach me how to get one click from the wheel. I'd really like to know.
And the lack of functionality is a small price to pay for broadcasting our coolness.
Isn't this Apple's mission statement?
I got an iPod as a gift and I'm very close to either putting it up on eBay or running it over with my car.
Who makes an audio player without volume controls? And the scroll wheel is great for long menus or scanning through many songs, but what if I want to go to the next menu item or move 1 song down the list? It's not so good for that.
That's before we get to the stinking pile of fail that is iTunes.
But as you said, at least I can broadcast my coolness.
What you're saying is that you didn't vote for the candidate based on his qualifications or experience, but voted on him based on his skin color. That is racism, plain and simple, even if the result was a positive one in your eyes.
The truth is, Obama's experience growing up in America is affected by his skin color, is affected by the fact that he had parents very different in appearance (aside from the obvious male/female differences). You cannot judge his qualifications and experience without considering race.
The truth is, while we have come far as a society, we still have a ways to go. This is not an either/or proposition. It would not be fair to exclude race as a consideration in judging Obama as a presidential candidate, any more than it would be fair to judge him solely on race.
Making *ANY* remark about a "possible explosion" on a plane loud enough that several other waiting passengers can hear you in the waiting area is likely to get you kicked off the flight.
Ok, sizzle chest. Next time you're on a plane and someone gets up and starts ranting about "sudden depressurization" and "water landings" you should jump on that person before the plane gets high jacked.
I can be a character witness when you go on trial for attacking the sky waitress.
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The most obvious case was when Bush was first elected and he and Clinton were at the same function. "President Clinton and Mr. Bush were at....."
Sorry bud, your bias is showing. If by "when Bush was first elected" you mean between the election and Jan 20, it would be incorrect to refer to Bush as president. President-elect or Mr Bush is just fine, no bias required.
If you listen to NPR daily, you've probably noticed references to Mr Obama. He's not president yet, just as Bush wasn't president yet when first elected. Where is the bias?
I'm not saying the reporters for NPR are inhuman and have no bias. I am saying, to claim some liberal bias because they treat democrats and republicans the same way, says more about you than about NPR.
Not necessarily. You can make whatever changes you want to GPL software without having to "give away" the modified version (i.e., distribute source code) as long as you don't distribute the binary based on the modified code. The GPL [wikipedia.org] only requires the modified source code to be distributed if the modified executable is distributed. An "in-house" application can use GPL code without having to distribute the alterations.
And you can modify BSD-licensed [wikipedia.org] code and include it even in distributed binaries without having to distribute the modified code. All you have to do is be sure the distributed binary reproduces the copyright notice and disclaimer from the original code.
Yes, that's a great idea. When the guy who had trouble understanding "free" software asks you what the catch is, start right in with the differences between a GPL and BSD license.
I then tried to explain about linux and FOSS but he had grown up with the solid idea that nothing worth having is ever free unless you're being scammed in some way.
Please pass my condolences to your friend. He must lead a very sad, lonely life.
I'm curious, does he only associate with prostitutes? Or does buying dinner count as paying?
Once you get those two issues out of the way, Logitec's claim becomes a lot more solid.
Yes, because a computer mouse is nothing like a component. It's not like you need a computer to get any use out of the mouse. No, it's a finished consumer product.
That's all fine and dandy. But how to teach people about electrons?
Without analogies to properties of electrons which are wave-like or particle-like, how do you say anything useful about an electron to anyone who isn't already a particle physicist?
Ayn Rand said it well, if your base premises lead you to contradiction, you must examine your premises. Rather than be driven crazy about how an electron can be like two things which are as different as a particle and a wave, you should question your assumptions.
Are particles and waves so different from each other? And why should there be any dissonance in any one thing having properties of both? I have the accented english of Arnold Schwarzenegger and the physique of Danny Devito. Are you now driven crazy on how I could be like two such different people?
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Or have I missed something?
Yes, you are missing the difference between accuracy and precision.
I neither said, nor intended to imply, that copyright law allows you to take those media only disks and install the software on an unlimited number of machines. You invented that out of whole cloth.
How is "Copyright law gives you the right to use it if you legally possess a copy of it" not suggesting I can use the $25 media-only software without buying a license?
And how does your quote above have anything to do with this question? You're just proving my point.
You talk about making copies of a disc. Fine, make copies. I never said there was any issue with making copies. Buy a $25 copy of the MS Exchange software and make a million copies. Perfectly legal. No argument from me.
I'm talking about, what happens when you take the original disk or any of the copies and try to install the software. That's where the licensing issue comes in. That goes to your original point of, if you have a legal copy of the media, then you can run it.
How does your second point about making copies have anything to do with your first point about using?
Again, not to pick on you. No one on /. (with very very few exceptions) (including myself) posts anything in regard to legal issues that has any accuracy.
Copyright law gives you the right to use it if you legally possess a copy of it (IANAL, etc).
Really? So any microsoft software is only $25? Exchange, MS SQL, Server...all for $25 a pop?
That's the going price of media through MS's business licensing program. MS will try to get you to buy expensive licenses, but according to whoever57, once you have the disc, you're all clear!
Let me walk down to the IT dept for my employer and let them know I just found a way to save the company $millions. I'll be a hero!
Tens of thousands of workstations? I got an XP disk! Corporate-wide Exchange? I got a disk! Dozens of applications using MS SQL? Disk!
That warning on the disc, about how a license is required to run the software? That doesn't mean anything. Just ask my lawyer whoever57. Well, not really a lawyer, but he plays one on slashdot.
I don't mean to pick on whoever57, but really, for a crowd that likes to portray of itself as intelligent and sophisticated, you folks don't know jack and refuse to admit it.
I understand these IP/copyright/trademark/patent stories are of great interest. Any chance we can get them posted as read only, with no comments? Basically, within a very margin of error, no one on slashdot knows anything about these subjects.
And conditioning your uniformed opinion with "IANAL" does not make it any less uninformed.
BTW, next time you go a resturant, refuse to see a menu before you give your order to the waiter.
Then you can claim there was no contract for you to exchange money for food, and the meal is free!
retarded geek
You said it, buddy.
The only point you hit was your first. One winner just encourages the crowd of losers.
But card counting is very possible, and without much practice. How do I know? I did it.
I am not a wealthy card cheat--I am not wealthy and not a cheat. (I don't consider using my brain cheating.)
As for wild and obvious swings in betting--sure, if you're trying to pay for Harvard Law over the course of a semester. But if you're just looking a couple hundred for a nice dinner, you could for example, play $15 a hand and bump up to $25 when you "have a good feeling."
You won't be flying home first class, but you won't be attracting any goons either. What you will get is an afternoon of fun, and after tipping the dealers and land stewardesses, enough for a nice dinner.
I don't know where you get the ban on entering mid-shuffle. (And in any case, a larger shoe is an advantage to the player. It makes higher counts more probable.) Whatever. Just because you couldn't do it, does not mean it can't be done.
For motivation, replies are basically falling into two categories: money and recognition. I'd like both, but either is fine.
For the folks that say recognition is corporate-speak for no money and cash is king, where did Linux come from? For that matter, where is money to be made putting effort into an insightful /. comment?
But your #1 barrier, as an employer trying to spark employee innovation, is yourself.
No gets any satisfaction seeing their great idea die. There's no money or recognition in getting your suggestion lost in committee.
My current employer talks about wanting employees to take initiative, but to get anything done I'd have to get sign off from half a dozen managers, squeeze a couple hours of meetings each week into an already over-loaded schedule, kill half an acre of rain forest in paper for reports and project plans and risks assessments, and so on and so on.
Forget innovation, I'd like to fix bugs. For example, my app has a data file we send over to another app. We occassionally send over duplicate records, causing the other app to choke on the import. This issue pre-dates me joining the group, it is well know and years old.
My suggestion? On the query to create the data file, use "select distinct" in place of "select." Presto, no more duplicates.
For reasons I still don't understand, this resolution is not acceptable. So we have hours of meetings, and expend resources on containment of the issue after the fact, and never address the root cause.
For the most part, employees want to do a good job. More than that, they really do want that feeling of accomplishment. An employer, the best thing you can do is get out of the way.
The Wallys of the world aren't born, they are made.
If the popular vote truly counted, that would be a very compelling reason to register and/or go out and vote.
I would think just the opposite. If an individual voter stays home on election day, thinking, "my vote doesn't count, the electors just go by the entire state," won't the entire state stay home?
Iowa has what, 3 million people? In contrast, NYC alone has over 8 million. (I'm presuming for sake of comparison the % of eleigible voters is roughly the same.)
Basically, if under this plan instead of the individual vote of an Iowan getting lost in a sea of 3 million people, it get's lost in a sea of 300 million.
If you're not registered/don't vote because of the EC, this certainly isn't going to change your mind.
Would you give your penis?
muhahaha.
I'd be genuinely surprised at any actual programmer who thought this way.
You're new around here, aren't you?
I present for your consideration every thread ever on patents, copyright, or trademarks on /.
Most folks posting around here don't know the difference between those three forms of IP, yet some how those threads end up full of comments.
...un.
Don't walk.
You're not happy at the job and are looking to move on to new challenges. It doesn't sound like these challenges you're looking for include owner part of an IT company--especially you since you wouldn't be getting, you know, any of the benefits of ownership. You wouldn't get an additional revenue stream. You wouldn't get any say over the direction the company takes. You wouldn't get to boss people around.
On top of continuing in a job you are ready to leave, every one around you would know you are ready to leave. You really think you're going to figure into your boss's long term plans when he knows mentally you're already gone?
And offices gossip. Expect this to get out. Maybe not exact figures, but certainly the generalities. Any chance the loyal employee who has been busting his hump for this little engine since day 1 might feel a little bitter finding out the traitor who was ready to leave gets rewarded for betraying the company?
You'll still be in a job you don't like. You won't be making any more money. Your career advancement will halt. Your coworkers will resent you.
All for the long shot chance that at some point in some unknown future you might reap some unspecified benefit.
Oh, btw, where is this 10% coming from? Is the owner with 60% ownership giving you 10% of his stake, leaving him with 50%?
I'm guessing they're pulling this 10% out of thin air, devaluing all the other owners. The 100% they had will now only be worth 90%.
And I'm guessing the next hot shot who tries to bolt will get the same offer. And his 10% will come out of your share, which will be worth only 9%.
Don't burn bridges. Say "thank you for the generous offer."
And then run and do not look back.
Turning on the clicker actually helped. That sort of audio feedback usually seems superfluous. (I'm hitting the buttons on the microwave. I see the display changing. Do I really needs the beeps?) But in this case, it helps.
And I figured out although I can't adjust the volume in any context, the pause button does work all the time. I didn't have iTunes normalize volume when ripped CDs and sometime shuffle goes to from a soft etude to a death metal anthem. It's nice to have an alternative to ripping the headphones off my head.
Hay, no problem. Yes, I honestly have some issues working my iPod and am looking for help, but I do not disagree my orignal post may have had a slightly disagreeable tone ;)
I will give the audio cue a try. I think one of the first things I did with the iPod was turn down the volume of the clicks and navigational sounds effects.
Yes, the scroll wheel controls the volume...but only in a certain context. It is a general control which sometimes can be used for volume. It is not a volume control.
If the display is anywhere but the screen showing details of the song currently playing, how do I control the volume? I'm scrolling through a lit of albums while music currently playing. I want to adjust the volume. How do I do that? (I have a new iPod Classic.)
I'm seriously asking. Maybe I'm too old to learn new gadgets. I'd RTFM, but manuals must not be cool. The iPod doesn't come with one.
And one click on the scroll wheel. Yes, I know one click moves the selection one menu item. What I don't know is, what is one click? How far around the wheel is one click? Am I just supposed to guess?
I either get no movement at all on the menu, or I get several clicks. When I want to go one click, I end up having to go 4 or 5 clicks up, and then 3 or 4 clicks down. A manual might be a good place for tips on using the interface, but again, no manual.
I won't argue my level of douchbaggery, but I assure I have no issue with iPod users. You like your iPod, it works for you--fine by me. I do have issues with my iPod. It does not work for me.
Let me say, I am eager to be proven wrong. I've gone through the trouble of ripping 500-something CDs into the dern thing. I'd much rather learn how to use it than junk it for a new device.
Please, show me how wrong I am. Show me how to control the volume from any context. Teach me how to get one click from the wheel. I'd really like to know.
And the lack of functionality is a small price to pay for broadcasting our coolness.
Isn't this Apple's mission statement?
I got an iPod as a gift and I'm very close to either putting it up on eBay or running it over with my car.
Who makes an audio player without volume controls? And the scroll wheel is great for long menus or scanning through many songs, but what if I want to go to the next menu item or move 1 song down the list? It's not so good for that.
That's before we get to the stinking pile of fail that is iTunes.
But as you said, at least I can broadcast my coolness.
What you're saying is that you didn't vote for the candidate based on his qualifications or experience, but voted on him based on his skin color. That is racism, plain and simple, even if the result was a positive one in your eyes.
The truth is, Obama's experience growing up in America is affected by his skin color, is affected by the fact that he had parents very different in appearance (aside from the obvious male/female differences). You cannot judge his qualifications and experience without considering race.
The truth is, while we have come far as a society, we still have a ways to go. This is not an either/or proposition. It would not be fair to exclude race as a consideration in judging Obama as a presidential candidate, any more than it would be fair to judge him solely on race.
The small anti-counterfeiting patch on my MasterCard could be...
One tiny little universe.
;)
Ok, sizzle chest. Next time you're on a plane and someone gets up and starts ranting about "sudden depressurization" and "water landings" you should jump on that person before the plane gets high jacked. I can be a character witness when you go on trial for attacking the sky waitress.
The most obvious case was when Bush was first elected and he and Clinton were at the same function. "President Clinton and Mr. Bush were at ....."
Sorry bud, your bias is showing. If by "when Bush was first elected" you mean between the election and Jan 20, it would be incorrect to refer to Bush as president. President-elect or Mr Bush is just fine, no bias required.
If you listen to NPR daily, you've probably noticed references to Mr Obama. He's not president yet, just as Bush wasn't president yet when first elected. Where is the bias?
I'm not saying the reporters for NPR are inhuman and have no bias. I am saying, to claim some liberal bias because they treat democrats and republicans the same way, says more about you than about NPR.
No Comcast does not... They offer the service, but...
Strange use of 'not'
Not necessarily. You can make whatever changes you want to GPL software without having to "give away" the modified version (i.e., distribute source code) as long as you don't distribute the binary based on the modified code. The GPL [wikipedia.org] only requires the modified source code to be distributed if the modified executable is distributed. An "in-house" application can use GPL code without having to distribute the alterations. And you can modify BSD-licensed [wikipedia.org] code and include it even in distributed binaries without having to distribute the modified code. All you have to do is be sure the distributed binary reproduces the copyright notice and disclaimer from the original code.
Yes, that's a great idea. When the guy who had trouble understanding "free" software asks you what the catch is, start right in with the differences between a GPL and BSD license.
Good luck with that.
I then tried to explain about linux and FOSS but he had grown up with the solid idea that nothing worth having is ever free unless you're being scammed in some way.
Please pass my condolences to your friend. He must lead a very sad, lonely life.
I'm curious, does he only associate with prostitutes? Or does buying dinner count as paying?
It is not solicited email of any kind
You sure about that? I haven't RTFA ('natch), but I presume this email was sent to a publicly available email address for each professor.
Aren't professors' email addresses made available to students so that students may contact professors with questions regarding academic matters?
It does sound like the student was pushing the envelope, but we are talking about a student contacting professors regarding a school issue.
I don't know if we can be so quick to say there was no solicitation of any kind.
Once you get those two issues out of the way, Logitec's claim becomes a lot more solid.
Yes, because a computer mouse is nothing like a component. It's not like you need a computer to get any use out of the mouse. No, it's a finished consumer product.
That's all fine and dandy. But how to teach people about electrons?
Without analogies to properties of electrons which are wave-like or particle-like, how do you say anything useful about an electron to anyone who isn't already a particle physicist?
Ayn Rand said it well, if your base premises lead you to contradiction, you must examine your premises. Rather than be driven crazy about how an electron can be like two things which are as different as a particle and a wave, you should question your assumptions.
Are particles and waves so different from each other? And why should there be any dissonance in any one thing having properties of both? I have the accented english of Arnold Schwarzenegger and the physique of Danny Devito. Are you now driven crazy on how I could be like two such different people?
No it doesn't.
Your ability to work with other people will still have more impact on your career than your ability to work with machines.
The guy with the skillz people networking will always do better. After all, he can get someone else to do his computer networking for him.