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How To Encourage Workers To Suggest Innovation?

An anonymous reader writes "The software company where I work has an Innovation and Knowledge program that encourages workers to provide ideas for new products and suggestions to improve the work place, productivity or welfare. The ideas and suggestions are evaluated by a board that decides whether they should be implemented or not. The group of workers with more ideas participates in a raffle to receive a prize. I would like to know what other programs people have seen like this and how they differ. What is the best way to encourage workers to suggest new products to be made / researched by the company?"

281 comments

  1. Alcohol by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They'll also suggest a whole bunch of other, probably not so helpful stuff.

    1. Re:Alcohol by HartDev · · Score: 1

      I suggested that a web dev company use a CMS and they got mad at me causes I was not suppose to be thinking....

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    2. Re:Alcohol by root777 · · Score: 1

      They'll also suggest a whole bunch of other, probably not so helpful stuff.

      Sometimes ideas by employees just work. I know of a company which saved couple hundred thousand dollars by a employee suggestion on changing the default laser print settings from high quality to normal quality. You would be surprised sometimes in these economic conditions, how many dollars a simple employee suggestion could do. Those dollars saved probably saved some jobs.

  2. Ownership interest by HBI · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That was easy.

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    1. Re:Ownership interest by DrLang21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A company I used to work for was really into Kaizan. They did profit sharing, and a metric in deciding how much was received in profit sharing was Kaizan participation. It resulted in a lot of dull ideas, but the shear mass of input resulted in a number of good ideas on a pretty regular basis.

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    2. Re:Ownership interest by AaxelB · · Score: 1

      I had an idea somewhat similar to ownership interest, but with more of a direct payout. You could keep track of who submits what idea, and if it becomes something worthwhile/profitable (either through that person's own work or someone else running with it) they get nice bonuses. That way people have the motivation to bring up truly innovative ideas, but can't game the system with crap ideas.

      Of course, you'll still have the problem of new ideas being stifled in bureaucracy, or asshats predicting what the company would do anyway and trying to cash in.

    3. Re:Ownership interest by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Didn't Homer Simpson suggest Kaizan to Burns? Didn't he also risk losing his job because of this rather bizarre Eastern philosophy? I believe this was when Simpson discovered a hair growth formula. I would suggest Rogaine over Kaizan to improve work place productivity.

    4. Re:Ownership interest by geoskd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was easy.

      It's even easier than that. All you really have to do is convince your employees that their suggestion might actually get used, and most of them would be perfectly happy to make suggestions just for the bragging rights of being able to say "that was my idea". any kind of public recognition is a bonus, monetary compensation would be top notch, but is by no means necessary.

      The company I work for, by contrast, makes it quite plain that our ideas are not only unwanted but that we should stop trying to waste their time with our ramblings. So be it.

      -=Geoskd

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    5. Re:Ownership interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ownership was the first word that came to my mind when I read this question. I would be a lot more likely to share my ideas if I got credit for them, and some sort of reward (monetary) for the success of the idea. I don't need a free toaster, or the 'possibility' of receiving a prize between me and 100 other people who had ideas. The best idea will win out, and when it does the person who had it should be compensated. Especially in a software development field, given enough hours I can make my own idea a reality that translates into money in my pocket, but I'd share it with the company if it translated a lot quicker.

      I hate the idea of giving away the rights to an idea because you pitch the idea to your employer.

    6. Re:Ownership interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    7. Re:Ownership interest by lgw · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's common in "real" engineering contexts to reward the suggester with a percentage of the value of the idea. For example, a chemical plant might have a suggestion box (anyone can contribute, engineer or not) for lowering the cost of the plant's processes. For any idea they use they'll pay you 10% of the money saved, capped at $1 million. This is actually fairly common, and most plants have a history of large payouts.

      Ownership doesn't come into it: no one's getting stock. But a $1 million check is still a great motivator. You just need a reward proportional to the value of the idea, plus a clear way to establish ownership of suggestions (the second guy to suggest the $1 million idea is going to be annoyed).

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    8. Re:Ownership interest by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Of course, you'll still have the problem of new ideas being stifled in bureaucracy, or asshats predicting what the company would do anyway and trying to cash in.

      Sounds like it. From the Anonymous Coward who posted the question to Slashdot:

      The ideas and suggestions are evaluated by a board that decides whether they should be implemented or not. The group of workers with more ideas participates in a raffle to receive a prize.

      I would suspect that any good ideas that Slashdotters come up with (like, so far, profit sharing, which seems to be the most popular) will likely go through a committee process where it is deemed uneconomic because it will divert funds from Management bonuses. That's the theory anyways. Theory always trumps reality in the workplace.

    9. Re:Ownership interest by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      These typically aren't ideas that 'ownership' matters. One of my old jobs had something like this. They could be as simple as changing some small work procedures to make it smoother on every one to adding a shower/locker room so that people who lived close enough could bike to work. (ROI being that employees were healthier).

      One way of viewing problems is that they are a real life 'bug'. Set up something like Bugzilla and have people submit 'bug' reports. Every feature that is in modern bug tracking software should help you out. Who owns the content, how high the priority is, etc.

    10. Re:Ownership interest by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 1

      Trust me, ownership interest is not all it's cut up to be. The option that always appealed to me was profit sharing. This has two advantages IMHO: 1) Everyone benefits from everyone's ideas/hard work etc. 2) Those who are leaching off the company tend to be outed by their peers as they're are seen by all as a money drain (i.e. lower profit and lower profit sharing). Profit sharing needs to be done on a yearly basis and prorated for employment time in that year. The poorest set up for profit sharing that I have seen (albeit the best for the employee) was monthly on a 3 month rolling average. It ended up that a month of negative profit still paid out well due to the rolling average; that was poor management. The best I've seen was a 3 way split in yearly net-profit (private company) with 1/3 to the employees, 1/3 back into the company and 1/3 to the shareholders (where the shareholder employees didn't double-dip into the other employees 1/3). The other nice thing is to issue the profit sharing in Jan, when folks really need that extra cash. Individual compensation for ideas is easily abused by both the company and the employee (especially an employee at management level), foster the 'team' by sharing the 'tips'.

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    11. Re:Ownership interest by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Here's my suggestion: try to write so it doesn't seem like you're talking through dictation software after taking a lot of amphetamines.

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    12. Re:Ownership interest by Max+Webster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The IBM lab in Toronto used to have a system like this, back before Celestica was spun off; half the lab did software and the other half was manufacturing. I recall one manufacturing guy got the maximum suggestion award for saying let's use just one stabilizer foot instead of two on each PC case.

      I submitted an idea that a back-of-the-envelope calculation suggested would result in quite a bit of savings. Downgrade all the "work-at-home" sponsored phone lines from business grade to regular consumer grade. This was in the mid-90s with very slow modems, not exactly taxing to the phone system. Suggestion declined.

      Then a couple of years later it was announced that they would do what I suggested. I inquired if the award still applied. It was just like when your warranty expires and your computer breaks. The two-year "statute of limitations" on suggestion awards expired, and the suggestion was implemented shortly after.

      Which is a roundabout way to say, in the hardware/manufacturing world they may pay out for productivity suggestions, but don't count on it in the software business. (After all, who hasn't had an idea that would speed up some process 1000x and make some slacker in their office redundant? A slacker who serves on the committee evaluating suggestions.)

    13. Re:Ownership interest by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For any idea they use they'll pay you 10% of the money saved, capped at $1 million. This is actually fairly common, and most plants have a history of large payouts.

      Ideas are cheap. What you need to pay for is the idea *and* the drive to get it implemented. And where it comes to implementation, you need to reward the entire group/team, not just the individual, otherwise people will be working on ideas in isolation from each other, and your colleagues will be more interested in shooting down your ideas than helping you with them.

      Just imagine our k-12 educational system, the children with ideas get rewarded by the teachers, but they have to work in isolation from each other, and often their classmates won't help them -- their classmates will ignore them, or even worse ostracize them, for trying so hard. Now compare this to a team sport for instance, like American football, when a student helps win a trophy for his team/his school, the entire school benefits, but everyone on that team/school knows who is, or who are, the individual(s) of the team that helped get the school that trophy, so that/those individual(s) get rewarded by increased personal prestige and increased social status (at least, within the microcosm of that school).

      In Japan, this is essentially how Edward Demings taught it, and this is essentially how the Japanese have implemented it. Toyota workers do not get rewarded individually. The team gets rewarded first, then whoever came up with the idea gets recognized as the super-star (at least, within his team/group). Now this does not mean that competition doesn't play an important role in there either, it indeed does, but that competition and that recognition is often promoted between the teams and between the groups, and never between individual members of the same team.

    14. Re:Ownership interest by The+Wooden+Badger · · Score: 1

      I absolutely agree. A coworker at a job I used to have had his name on a patent. He got a quarterly royalty check, and he will for life whether he still works there or not. That seems like an effective incentive to me.

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    15. Re:Ownership interest by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      Hear hear.

      I used to work for a school. In July it temporarily suspended operation because they couldn't get either staff or students.

      As part of the effort to keep the school open, I set up a google group, set it up initially with all of the staff and the board of directors as members, and started bombarding the list with ideas. After a month we had a couple dozen alumni, exstaff, and parents of boys on the list.

      Over the next 6 months there were some 800 posts to the list. Almost none came from the staff or the board.

      In December they announced that the school was closing permanently. I tell you, I could spit nails.

      I have found generally that people don't want new ideas. And the newer they are, the less they want them.

      I would love to find a company that genuinely wanted my input,

      (If any of you work for companies that need a technical generalist, "Jack of all trades, master of some" please contact sgbotsford@gmail.com. )

      I'm really great at finding usability issues in software, new ideas for interface, and finding new ways to crash the program.)

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    16. Re:Ownership interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so you work for the government too?

    17. Re:Ownership interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear! hear!

      The best way to start is "Listen".

      My company doesn't. We have an "innovation center" that will do our thinking for us.

    18. Re:Ownership interest by Geminii · · Score: 1
      Ideas are cheap. What you need to pay for is the idea *and* the drive to get it implemented.

      If ideas which save/profit the company a million bucks are so cheap, surely the company would have already had them by now?

      Drive is cheap. Hand the full idea spec to a project team, tell them their bonuses are linked to how well it goes. It may turn out that the person who submitted the idea either doesn't have the spare time to be a part of that project team, or alternatively may be able to be released to work on in - in which case, they should also share in the project bonus as well as the original idea bonus.

      If a group has an idea, let them submit it as a group. However, having worked in large organisations which have implemented idea-harvesting schemes, I've found the vast majority of submissions to come from individuals. Groups tend to suffer from the committee problem - they'll bitch about an issue for years, but will never bother actually formulating a method to address it.

      About the only advantage of team rewards is that the team members may not immediately fall prey to jealousy at the idea-submitter's success - a poor reason for handing out freebies. It might be better to allow the manager of the relevant area to choose something for their team. Maybe a break room upgrade, or better furniture, or some such.

      The educational simile is broken - students aren't hired to make money for the schools. Although working in isolation is pretty much standard educational fare anyway, barring the rare 'group project', so I'm not quite sure where you're coming from there.

      I can understand that team rewards may work well in Japanese settings. I'm just not entirely convinced that it would translate effectively to other countries and cultures.

      While I obviously can't speak for every other Slashdotter or tech out there, my own personal preference would certainly be for individual submissions and rewards. Why should I give a darn if the dude next to me got a million-dollar reward, unless he's gonna be bragging about it for the next ten years? All the more incentive for me to come up with something equally awesome!

    19. Re:Ownership interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the more incentive for me to come up with something equally awesome!

      There is no shortage of "equally awesome" ideas. There is only a shortage of people with the skills (or the drive) to implement those ideas.

      Also people are much more motivated if they work on their own ideas, than to have to work on someone else's so-called "million-dollar" idea. For one thing, what you may perceive as a million dollar idea may be perceived as complete rubbish by a fellow colleague. And by that, I don't mean to insult you, for all I know your idea may be perfectly good, it's just that most of us have blinders on where it comes to evaluating objectively other people's ideas.

      Drive is cheap. Hand the full idea spec to a project team, tell them their bonuses are linked to how well it goes.

      Your opinion is quite reasonable, in theory.

      However, it's not what I've seen practice. Getting performance from an employee is not as easy as brandishing a large enough carrot (although, that is still one factor of course, but it's not the only one).

      Also, I don't agree with the idea that one can easily and fully spec out a project (like you've made it sound). Usually, the true spec doesn't come out until once you've done most of the work already.

  3. use a gun by Gearoid_Murphy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    weaponised innovation i call it

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    1. Re:use a gun by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The rack or the stocks are also useful.

      < Jack Bauer voice > Come on!! We need your ideas! We're running out of time here!!! You know what I'm capable of! < /Jack Bauer voice >

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    2. Re:use a gun by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      One company I worked with had disincentives for NOT making suggestions. The negative reinforcements where points taken off the monthly evaluation. I never did submit any ideas (though I had many, I couldn't bring myself to submit). I was (I think) the most efficient worker in the company. I was also one of the first people to get laid-off when business started slowing down.

  4. First idea by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whatever you do, discard all first suggestions. They're all just wannabe first posters.

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  5. Criticism is better by Sigvatr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think first companies need to make employees feel comfortable criticizing their superiors.

    1. Re:Criticism is better by Dusty00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seconded.

      The fact that you have to offer incentives to get employees to make suggestions seems to indicate your current environment is not conducive to suggestions. Rather than try and think of ways to get get employees more involved, you may want to be asking/posing the question to your superiors: Why aren't our employees more involved?

    2. Re:Criticism is better by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The employees are extremely comfortable doing this. It's the superiors who need some work here.

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    3. Re:Criticism is better by davejenkins · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sigvatr! Get back to work and stop screwing around on the Slashdots!

    4. Re:Criticism is better by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Solicit for the suggestions anonymously.

      Words cannot express how frustrating is to know that constructive criticism of superiors or even peers is hundreds of times more likely to get you fired than being belligerently incompetent and hampering others through your incompetence.

      It's important to keep it in mind that nobody is going to say or do anything that has a possibility of jeopardizing their livelyhood.

      Perhaps all suggestions should be anonymous. Lots of people have really good ideas but are just afraid of being fired or CareerLimited(tm) for opening their mouths.

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    5. Re:Criticism is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think first companies need to make employees feel comfortable criticizing their superiors.

      I think you misspelled "pistol-whipping".

  6. Prizes and Royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cash bonuses, salary increase, and royalty upon successful product would do it. Of course, it would depend on the definition of "success".

    1. Re:Prizes and Royalties by DragonFodder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agree with that, at the very least the idea of a raffle for a prize pretty much sucks. So I come up with an idea that could save the company thousands, or even millions of dollars. and, I get a toaster oven. nice incentive.

      Make it a percentage of the cost savings as a lump bonus and you'll not only get more suggestions, you'll get onces that actually have some thought and implementation plans put into them.

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    2. Re:Prizes and Royalties by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2

      So I come up with an idea that could save the company thousands, or even millions of dollars. and, I get a toaster oven. nice incentive.

      Not even. The company rewards you for your million-dollar idea by giving you a CHANCE to win a toaster oven. Gee, thanks.

    3. Re:Prizes and Royalties by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      What happens when your idea fails... Oh lets fire the janitor because his suggestion on how to improve productivity has failed.

      That said rewarding a successful idea by bonus/raises/job security etc. Is a good way because it keep him part of the process not just a blank idea which could save the company millions and is sill struggling day to day.

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    4. Re:Prizes and Royalties by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 3, Funny

      So I come up with an idea that could save the company thousands, or even millions of dollars. and, I get a toaster oven. nice incentive.

      Not quite. Its a raffle, so you might get a toaster oven. Or you might not. Nobody knows! You're intrigued -- I can tell.

    5. Re:Prizes and Royalties by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh lets fire the janitor because his suggestion on how to improve productivity has failed.

      Corrected version:

      Oh lets fire the janitor because his suggestion I have plagiarized on how to improve productivity has succeeded.

      And I personally think that giving away bonuses would only increase tension and discrimination inside of teams.

      I prefer simpler idea suggested above: permit to criticize management and their decisions. Ban on criticism is essentially what most often leads to disappearance of discussions. Healthy discussion is what drives innovation.

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    6. Re:Prizes and Royalties by javilon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Make it a percentage of the cost savings as a lump bonus and you'll not only get more suggestions, you'll get onces that actually have some thought and implementation plans put into them.

      I agree. If you give ideas of yours to your company and your work is not actually producing ideas, you should get a "royalty". The company should make sure that a proper mechanism exists to assign the idea a monetary value. Get accounting to produce numbers for it and give the person that came up with the idea a percentage of the money gained/saved during that time.

      Ideally, a worker could retire if his idea is so good as to make loads of money for the company. At the end of the day that is an executive/consultant job. And this kind of people get showered in millions even when they fail miserably like in the current crisis.

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    7. Re:Prizes and Royalties by Flammon · · Score: 1

      There's a company in m my area that gives their employees 50% of the money saved during the first year. One of the employees came up with an idea that saved them $100,000.00 in long distance bills. At the end of the year, he got a bonus of $50,000.00

    8. Re:Prizes and Royalties by sitarah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My company can have a few of my ideas, with no monetary compensation, because I know that ideas are useless without the means to execute them. I do not have the audience or the resources to do what they can. I could do nothing with that idea. I gain nothing by keeping it. If I give it away, and the company does it, either customers' lives, employees' lives, or the market is enriched. Why sit on it?

      If it is an idea I can execute on my own, like a book plot, a startup site, or a new type of spoon, then yes, I'll keep it. However, how many of the ideas people would offer at work are really like that?

      With that distinction made, the "Pay me for my idea that I can't actually make happen on my own" sentiment I am seeing modded +5 right now is in conflict with the Slashdot meme of "patents should expire for people who do nothing with them." In both cases, people want a reward for ideas they cannot execute. The difference is that patents actively stop other people from executing the ideas, but the underlying belief in both statements is still that an idea alone is worth something. Which is it?

    9. Re:Prizes and Royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk is air. Work is what drives innovation.

      This entire discussion is a sign of poor hiring by the company involved. If they want innovative people they should hire innovative people. It isn't that hard - look for people who have done innovative things in the past and pay them money to work for you.

      The rest is just common sense: give them the responsibility and resources to achieve change, think twice before screwing them over, and expand the scope of their resources (personal or departmental) as they deliver results.

    10. Re:Prizes and Royalties by Singlended · · Score: 1
      Tit for Tat or chotchkey rewards often cheapen the experience and foster people to compare the value one innovation to the next, thus discouraging participation. Whether the innovation succeeds or fails is not material: focus on the concept of innovation not the outcome. This is about culture change.

      My tech-driven company's attempt to do this has grown over the past year, but it is gaining success at fostering innovation:

      Formalize Innovation - Make a well-defined program with ceremonies for recognition and reward as follows:

      Require Self-Nominations - On a monthly basis, have employees nominate their innovations for review by the management team. Self nominations put individuals in the position of responsiblity for innovation, not just for recognizing innovation in other people.

      Require Impactful and Innovative - The nomination has to have the potential to make a difference and has to improve the way something is done in the company. The idea does not have to succeed to pass the bar (a.la.: 9 of 10 startups fail).

      Focus on Implementation - Ideas alone don't pass the bar. It doesn't matter whose idea it was, the implementer gets the credit.

      Reward and Recognize - The most impactful and innovative entry (judged by management) gets recognition and a modest reward each month ($50 gift card). Give honorable mentions.

      Sweeten the Pot - Nominees who clear the above criteria also get entered into a quarterly and annual prize drawing (xbox/ps3 and bigscreen respectively).

    11. Re:Prizes and Royalties by ThePhilips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are in a way right. Yet you are wrong.

      Talk is air. Work is what drives innovation.

      There are countless - failed - products around. Failed solely because people who did them didn't bothered to communicate with customers, releasing essentially gimmick nobody needs.

      Healthy discussions with customers about shortcomings of a product, followed by inside discussions on why product ended up released in that way. That's how companies survive in long term: by making something others want to buy.

      This entire discussion is a sign of poor hiring by the company involved. If they want innovative people they should hire innovative people. It isn't that hard - look for people who have done innovative things in the past and pay them money to work for you.

      That's just plain stupid.

      Sorry for the oxymoron, but all people are born innovative. True managerial talent is to get the innovative nature out of people for good of business.

      General problem with hiring "innovative people" is that most of them can't keep on the same piece of work for very long time. Innovation is matter of a short moments. End product - is thousands person/days of many many employees. Few truly innovative people can stick to the business routine. And very few companies go to compromise and provide innovative people with sort of isolated environment - where they are isolated from usual business routine related to making of a product.

      The rest is just common sense: give them the responsibility and resources to achieve change, think twice before screwing them over, and expand the scope of their resources (personal or departmental) as they deliver results.

      That's common sense. Yet your base off by far.

      Responsibilities is what used to keep people in check. Yet, not much people are capable of bearing responsibilities. If one can - then they'd likely to choose managerial career. That means rest of "innovative" bunch is precisely the people who can't manage, can't cope with responsibilities and rarely can work under pressure. In other words - rest of us, employees.

      That's why proper communication with employees is needed. General problem that many managers can't cope with critique of their decisions. Eventually any kind of critique falls under unwritten ban leading to dried up communication within company.

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    12. Re:Prizes and Royalties by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Yet, not much people are capable of bearing responsibilities. If one can - then they'd likely to choose managerial career.

      What if you want the responsiblity to make the changes, but you don't want to be a manager?

      Case in point - my project at work has been steaming alone for a year. I've been programming tools for a group, working closely with them as the sole programmer. When they find problems, I fix them. When they want features, I put them in. Changes are deployed in short order. Progress is swift, risk is minimal (the parts of the tooling that write data are stable).

      Management has become involved recently. I've been commended for the rapid production of the tooling, but progress has suddenly ground to a halt. I've actually been spinning my wheels for the last week, bored out of my skull, because the work has dried up - I've even got a requirements brief on my desk that I've been told not to do any work on.

      Just by making design choices I've saved the organisation more than my wages in software licenses. The productivity of a bunch of other people is much higher. I'd love to have some recompense for this - I even joke in meetings that they should spot me a percentage of every expensive enterprise software support contract I take off their books ; we all know it's a joke, because there's no way this side of Armageddon I'll see a payment like that.

      What I don't want to do is become a manager. I'd hate it. I'd be much less productive. I'd have less job satisfaction. Maybe the reason they get the big bucks is to drown out the misery of being management, because it sure isn't because they are the ones raising the bottom line. There must be companies that recognise what a good engineer is worth, but I've yet to see one that paid them more than management.

    13. Re:Prizes and Royalties by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      What I don't want to do is become a manager.

      Company can't without management. This is a fact.

      If you want to have a stand against management intervention, your only choice is to be on the same level as they are... I've being in the situations like that before - with no positive experience to share.

      What management tries to accomplish is generally well intended. If one team profits greatly from some tool - they'd try to make the tool available to other teams. Essentially, as your tool grows in its importance to company, so must you. This is also a good promotion chance (e.g. to get "Sr." or "Principal" or "Key" prefix to your actual position name).

      One shouldn't forget in the situation old saying: one man's problem - other man's opportunity. But of course to catch the opportunity you have to understand well why management is getting involved. It's really worth asking: management when on some agenda generally very talkative.

      I'd hate it. I'd be much less productive.

      This is very old stereo-type. You just have to learn instead of lines of code to manage people. Imagine that you have not one but two pairs of hands? And how much more could you do with twice more hands? Yep, that's what management ideally is.

      There must be companies that recognize what a good engineer is worth, but I've yet to see one that paid them more than management.

      Some really talented engineers might have higher salaries than management. I have seen it. Once.

      Low/middle tier managers are the people who are responsible for executing business plan of the company. Upper management - and their vision for product development, business plan - is what creates work for engineers. The company as a whole what makes of faceless technology/tool a product others want to fork money for. And the money - are the wages.

      Consequently engineers generally do not influence directly the profits, thus they have lower wages when compared to management. (And unlike old "chicken or the egg problem", here it is clear: management is first, because they have created from ground zero a company.)

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    14. Re:Prizes and Royalties by phulegart · · Score: 1

      You prove useful and an asset to the company.

      Work dries up, and instead of being laid off or assigned to another department, you are told NOT to work and just wait and get paid for waiting.

      You state you would appreciate some compensation for all you have saved the company.

      Is there any particular reason why you do NOT see the apparent job security you have, as compensation? I mean, most people would enjoy getting paid for NOT working. That's a pretty big perk. It's like getting a bonus check. I mean, it is literally money you did not have to work for... because you were paid while you were told NOT to work.

      So just how greedy are you? I bet you are greedy enough to STILL not see what I'm saying, and eventually you are going to put yourself in a position where you lose this job... only then are you going to see how good you had it.

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  7. Define innovation by Gribflex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it's important to define what you are looking for.
    At my company, we had a very similar project for a long time. I always thought innovation meant some incredible break through, or new product line. Turns out, some innovations that were accepted were changes to our coffee vendor, and tests for our new development folk (standard practice in my office, but considered innovative at one of our other sites.)

    Had I know what the quality bar was at the beginning of the project, I would have submitted all kinds of stuff. As it was, I was just waiting for a really great idea.

    1. Re:Define innovation by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to define what you are looking for.

      Yeah, where I work, people make innovative suggestions all of the time. It's usually management that thinks the ideas are either too far out, or doesn't want to fund development.

      --
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    2. Re:Define innovation by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      This is actually a common mistake by staff and management. The saying goes "tell my 100 ways to improve business one percent, not one way to improve business ninety-nine percent". The light-bulb moments were great ideas come forward are pretty rare and more often than not are a actually seen as a mistake when they are first seen or discovered. So if you have some silly idea or you find something annoying is happening in your work space and you have an idea on how to fix it, speak up, because in this day and age of pink slips being delivered by the truck full clever people are an asset not to be thrown out.

    3. Re:Define innovation by avronius · · Score: 1

      ...management that thinks the ideas are either too far out...

      My brother works for the major telecom provider here in Calgary. He is constantly submitting ideas that he believes might be 'the next big thing'. Generally speaking, they are neat ideas, but more suited to a smaller, more dynamic, niche-type company than a major conglomerate.

      I've heard a handful of his better ideas, and I can see where they would make money - if you already have the infrastructure of the conglomerate.

      A catch-22.

      The big company isn't small enough to realize a significant return. The small company isn't big enough to invest. In the end, his ideas are discarded and the customer misses out on yet another feature.

      Ideally, great ideas would be encouraged in a round-table environment, recorded, and then at least cursorily investigated. I'd recommend separating the round-table discussions into useful themes. One for state-of-the-art tech stuff, one for "where do you see us in 3 years" stuff, one for "the work environment", etc.

    4. Re:Define innovation by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Management would rather staff sit and do nothing for a week than spend a week fixing a "worthless 1% improvement".

      We waste about 4 months a year on paperwork, excessive testing and risk mitigation, and "waiting for a REAL project with a BIG payoff to come along".

      And then we waste 2-3 months when executives arbitrarily move around schedules and cancel projects. Probably 15% productivity when I worked at small to mid-size companies.

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    5. Re:Define innovation by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      The big company isn't small enough to realize a significant return. The small company isn't big enough to invest. In the end, his ideas are discarded and the customer misses out on yet another feature.

      You remind me of an idea I had a while back. I called it the Hair Brained Ideas Department. Basically, if someone in the company has an idea, they email their idea to the Hair Brained Ideas Department where they follow up on it.

      Such a concept is only viable to a large company, as a small company would not have enough resources to follow up on these ideas.

      Now that I think about it, the closest thing to a working example of this is Ubuntu Brainstorm.

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      One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
    6. Re:Define innovation by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, no. The'd rather spend the week making work schedules and powerpoint presentations and manpower allocation charts for the productivity idea, rather than actually doing the change. The time lost in the paperwork and bureaucracy are often so great that it's simply not worth the effort for minor, technologically or procedurally sensitive ideas because it has to go through 4 layers of management, all of them playing "telephone" and turning your idea for a safety switch into a complete sytem redesign, made by a new and unknown vendor who made a great presentation to people who know nothing about the field but spell their last name the same way as the company founder.

      I saw this happen about 5 years ago: it was _amazing_ to watch the middle management burn the company to the ground with endless procedures and study groups, rather than knuckling down and doing the actually necessary work, and the results were evident in the handling of email and printers that I discussed with them as another business in the same building.

    7. Re:Define innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly... In australia 'innovation' has simply become a synonym for a 'best practice' program.
      At first i was fired up about being forced to go to our corporate brainwashing session on innovation only to find it was 'best practice' re-packaged.
      Google was quoted as a leader in innovation but clearly these CONsultants the company hired had no idea what Google was up to.

  8. empowerment 20% of the time. by neo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google let's their employees work on their own interesting side projects for 20% of their time. It's resulted in some of their best innovations. The employee is responsible for keeping the project up to date and Google owns it, obviously.

    What motivates people is recognition.

    1. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What motivates people is recognition

      Recognition doesn't pay the bills. If an idea that makes or saves the company money is rewarded with a healthy bonus, you're apt to get more suggestions than if you hand out a crappy paperweight and a slap on the back.

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    2. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm going to reply to this post backwards if you don't mind.

      What motivates people is recognition.

      That's one of the things. A guy named Frederick Hertzberg suggested that employees are motivated by a hierarchy of needs.

      They start at the very low levels: Physical Environment, Salary, Job Security, Status, etc.

      Then they proceed to higher levels. Recognition is actually the second highest motivator, and it certainly is a motivator for some. But Google is actually a good example of Hertzberg's highest motivator which is achievement: people are motivated by the work itself. Self-actualization.

      Google let's their employees work on their own interesting side projects for 20% of their time. It's resulted in some of their best innovations. The employee is responsible for keeping the project up to date and Google owns it, obviously.

      Google's employees get to pitch side projects and suggest them to management. IOW, they get to work on what interests them. They are motivated by the actual work. Real Google products started as side projects.

    3. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      At my current employer, all we get is the slap on the back. Because of the bad economy, there's no chance for a raise or bonus, but they've sent us all an email asking us to please continue working hard and coming up with innovative ideas. Yeah, right.

      Any innovative ideas I come up will be kept hidden until I'm out of here.

    4. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recognition doesn't pay the bills.

      Correct. The company you choose to work for instead of going it alone with your idea pays the bills. If you get to develop your idea with company time and resources (ala google) aren't they paying you for your idea?

    5. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by An.+(Coward) · · Score: 5, Informative

      A guy named Frederick Hertzberg suggested that employees are motivated by a hierarchy of needs.

      They start at the very low levels: Physical Environment, Salary, Job Security, Status, etc.

      Then they proceed to higher levels. Recognition is actually the second highest motivator, and it certainly is a motivator for some. But Google is actually a good example of Hertzberg's highest motivator which is achievement: people are motivated by the work itself. Self-actualization.

      That was Abraham Maslow.

    6. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Flammon · · Score: 1

      Rate parent up. It deserves a 5.

    7. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by jeillah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My company is about the same. At one time they did have a program that was supposed to foster innovation but it seemed that most of the really good ideas got so bogged down in their "innovation" committee that nothing ever came of it. When will they ever learn that few really good ideas come out of a committee???

    8. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The paperweight and slap on the back are generally accompanied by a new line on your resume in order to get a better/better paying job.

      (May I also say that I love the sig? =])

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    9. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I forgot to mention they recently cut back our patent reward program. There used to be awards for disclosure, filing, granted patents, bonuses for large numbers of patents (5x, 10x, etc.), trade secret awards, publication awards, etc. They cut all that back so now there's a single patent filing award and that's it. But they assure us they'll continue to provide a mechanism for recognition, even though we won't get any money. Yeah, I'm sure people will redouble their efforts in coming up with patentable ideas.

    10. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's so much a psychological "self-actualization" thing as much as it's just simply doing what you like to do. I've done tons of programming (and indeed, got into it in the first place) simply because it was interesting and I liked doing it.

      And, I might add that if Google "lets" their employees work 20% of their time on side projects, that means Google is PAYING them 20% of their salary, essentially, to do those side projects. "For google," still, sure, but it's on Google's time and on Google's salary... isn't that more or less the definition of the perfect job? Getting paid to do what you like and want to do?

    11. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 0

      Maslow and Hertzberg had similar ideas. Herzberg's theory was actually a two factor theory and Maslow's hierarchy was a little more fleshed out, but Hertzberg's two factor theory fit neatly into Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Since Maslow and Hertzberg were more or less contemporaries (Hertzberg 1923-2000 and Maslow 1908-1970), it's likely that either Maslow's hierarchy directly influenced Hertzberg's two-factor theory. Either way, they are really just two different ways to express the same idea.

    12. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      At my current employer, all we get is the slap on the back. Because of the bad economy, there's no chance for a raise or bonus, but they've sent us all an email asking us to please continue working hard and coming up with innovative ideas. Yeah, right.

      There is a remedy for this attitude which can be summed up as:

      "Third place is you're fired"

    13. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's so much a psychological "self-actualization" thing as much as it's just simply doing what you like to do. I've done tons of programming (and indeed, got into it in the first place) simply because it was interesting and I liked doing it.

      Mmmmm...you're kinda saying the same thing. Self-actualization is the drive to realize one's full potential. That's why people write programs or author books or climb mountains.

    14. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      That is the formalized version, and large organizations probably can only do it this way. At least my last employer (moderately large international corp) was big on having people work on official projects only. So you need a 20% rule or people will feel pressured to drop that "useless", time consuming tinkering.

      In smaller organizations, a department leader who understands technology and is empowered to make room for the project in the schedule works too. In a really small corp, you might even talk to the guy who owns the corp. Of course this depends a lot on the personalities involved, but in my experience small organizations are better at recognizing and promoting promising side projects.

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    15. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by ITRambo · · Score: 1

      Recessions do not last forever. Negotiate for gain sharing for the innovators so that when business improves you will get your hard earned extra cash. Any managers that refuses to do so are laid bare as liars. Get it in writing, or update your resume.

    16. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Neoro · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is considered classic rather than something that has reliable applications.

      I quote from my textbook:
      "Maslow provided no empirical substantiation, and several studies that sought to validate the theory found no support for it."

      The book cites 4 published studies as a subset of examples indicating no real backing for that theory. Similar theories based on it have similar results in empirical study.

      The closest contemporary theory of motivation to Maslow's theory is that of McClelland's Theory of Needs, where a different people have certain levels of needs for achievement, power and affiliation.

      However, the most widely accepted theory with the most substantial empirical backing is that of Expectancy Theory. Too bad it's very abstract, so much so it doesn't give much guidance on how to predict motivation.

    17. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by sorak · · Score: 1

      My understanding of this is that it is "Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs", and that the lower level needs come first, until they have been satisfactorily filled. Then, employees begin to really care about the higher needs.

    18. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by markov_chain · · Score: 1

      Nah, give him a raise!

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    19. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With the way that most of these large companies work these days, that's actually not a big concern, at least not at an individual level. When these companies decide to get rid of people, they lay off entire teams and divisions. It's not really worthwhile to sift through employees and get rid of the average performers; it's a lot of work and time (which can be spent doing other work), and it's really bad for morale, and causes the best people to leave early on their own.

      Of course, if you're a really horrible performer and it's obvious, you definitely are in danger of being kicked out (because those people are easy to spot), but that's another matter. There's a big difference in being an average performer who doesn't stand out at all, doesn't put in any extra effort, doesn't come up with any good ideas, and just does his job at the minimum level, and someone who's just plain incompetent or doesn't even get any work done. And honestly, when your company won't actually reward you for extra effort with a raise, or even continued employment if your department is cut, then why exactly should anyone strive to be a star performer?

    20. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Every company I've ever worked at has treated every year as a totally separate entity. So if you come up with some great innovation this year, but it turns out at the end of the year that there's no money for raises, then all you get is a "thanks for the hard work!", and no monetary reward. If the economy is better in the next year, and big raises are being given out, they won't go back to the previous year and say "we weren't able to give you a big raise for that great innovation last year, so here's a raise this year."

      As for "gain sharing" and negotiating, big companies don't do that kind of thing. Everything is the same company-wide, and mandated by HR and upper management. If you want to do something different on your team regarding compensation, forget it. Your direct manager has no power over this kind of thing, only upper management does. And everyone already knows they're all either liars or incompetent.

      Poor economies, where no one's giving raises, are a great time to be a slacker.

    21. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by highfidelitychris · · Score: 1

      Poor economies, where no one's giving raises, are a great time to be a slacker.

      Umm... right up until you lose your job.

    22. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Recognition is good, but only if it turns into something more tangible in the reasonably near future, like:
        - raises and/or bonuses
        - good parking spaces and/or offices
        - promotions
        - professional development opportunities

      If someone has a good idea, and makes it happen, make it worth their while to repeat that effort.

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    23. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Time is one necessary component. The other is to get management onboard once you have something really interesting.

      Probably the single most motivating thing is to actually implement your vision, the way you want it implemented. A raise is nice, too, but almost beside the point.

      And probably the single most demotivating thing is for a manager to completely ignore your idea -- or worse, introduce it months or years later, when it's already too late, and claim it was their own. Even worse, if it then fails, for them to take that opportunity to give credit where it's due, thus giving you the reputation as someone who thinks of interesting ideas that turn out to be spectacular failures.

      You get the idea.

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    24. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      As I pointed out in an earlier post, average workers aren't given the boot any more when things are tight. Companies now lay off entire teams (regardless of their individual performance). So it really doesn't matter how hard you work, as long as you're not completely incompetent; either you're going to stay or go, and your individual performance has very little to do with it.

    25. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      And honestly, when your company won't actually reward you for extra effort with a raise, or even continued employment if your department is cut, then why exactly should anyone strive to be a star performer?

      Because working harder for the same money is still better than living in a refrigerator box?

      I see what your saying. In principle, I agree with a lot of it. But that is not the reality most people live in. Wages are stagnant, debt is rising, more hours are required to perform satisfactorily and people are still competing to participate in this rat race.

      This is why we are even discussing what a company might do to incentivize its employees as if the idea of simply increasing their compensation is absurd.

    26. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      My point, however, is that it doesn't really matter how hard you, individually, work. In most large companies these days, the only effect your individual performance will have is to save you from being fired for outright incompetence. As long as you're at least mediocre (i.e., higher than the bottom 10%), you don't have to worry about that, because companies aren't sifting through their teams and firing, say, the bottom 50%. Any time they tried that in the past, they found that large layoffs simply resulted in their best people getting scared and leaving prematurely, leaving behind only the mediocre people.

      So, these days, if a company is going to lay off people, they do it without regard to performance; they lay off whole teams. That isn't something you can avoid by being a very good performer. That's something that's determined by exterior factors, like how profitable your product line is, how well politically-connected your manager is, etc. The only thing you can do is be careful in where you take a job, like making sure you work in teams that the company values the most, rather than for instance a team working on some risky new product line that may not pan out in the market, but here we're really talking about people who already have a job, so that choice has been made already.

      So, it's my contention that if you're working at a large company which isn't giving raises this year (I'd be willing to bet that my company won't give any for 2009, just as I found out they're not giving any for 2008), then it's a waste of your time to try to perform well at your company. Yes, you need to do better than the bottom 10%, but that shouldn't be too hard. Any more effort, beyond that needed to be ranked "mediocre", is wasted effort. Spend your extra time and effort doing things you value more, like spending time with your family, because long unpaid hours at work aren't going to be rewarded. If you have a good idea, try starting a small business. Large businesses certainly aren't doing too hot right now, so maybe there's room for a small, new competitor.

    27. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maslow and Hertzberg had similar ideas. Herzberg's theory was actually a two factor theory

      It's damn confusing that there are three people and two of them have very similar names.

      Oh, and you're wrong anyway. Classifying factors into two kinds isn't the same as there being two factors.

    28. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shows you how much recognition Abraham got. X_x

    29. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At my current employer, all we get is the slap on the back. Because of the bad economy, there's no chance for a raise or bonus, but they've sent us all an email asking us to please continue working hard and coming up with innovative ideas. Yeah, right. Any innovative ideas I come up will be kept hidden until I'm out of here.

      That's the problem with starting to financially reward people for their ideas, or to financially reward people for a job well done. Once you start doing it, you better keep doing it, otherwise the entire thing will fall apart. People will often complain at not getting raises, but it's infinitely worse if you give someone a raise one year, even if you carefully call it a bonus, and then if you stop paying that "bonus" that following year. So what was done by the employee for its own intrinsic value one year is only then done for its external reward -- every year after.

      It's just like sex for instance, if a husband starts rewarding his wife for having sex with him, let's say by taking out the garbage, or by buying her expensive presents (just like in "Everybody loves Raymond"), he will be unwittingly conditioning her to only see sex as a chore, and a payment for a transaction -- not something to be done for its own intrinsic value. That is one of the reasons I believe that so many married couples in the United States eventually stop having sex with each other. In the US, sex for women is being portrayed as a currency of trade, or as a way to make babies, and not something to be done for its own sake.

    30. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      I'll have to defer, as I have never worked for a large company.

      I have always been fortunate enough to be on a first name basis with the principals of the companies I have worked for, except for a brief period between my company being sold to a large corporation and that corporation dragging it down in flames due to a culture of mediocrity and incompetence.

      All I can say is that your account seems like a reasonable strategy for surviving in the environment you describe, but I sure wouldn't want any part of it.

    31. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to remember, however, that the value of money is not constant, due to inflation. Effectively, if your employer doesn't give you a raise, then they're actually giving you less money the next year as they did before. So if you're doing a good job, the employer really should give a raise equal to the inflationary rate, at a minimum, to show that they value you.

      Employers have a nasty habit, due to this, of hiring new people in at more than experienced employees. It frequently pays well to change jobs every few years because it's easier to get a big raise by simply changing employers, rather than trying to convince your present employer to pay you more.

    32. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      All I can say is that your account seems like a reasonable strategy for surviving in the environment you describe, but I sure wouldn't want any part of it.

      I can't say I enjoy it that much either, but I've found working in large companies pays well, and I don't plan to do it forever.

    33. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, it's a 40 hour week, with 8 hours for a pet project?

      Or is it maybe > 40 hour week where in effect the pet project time is the time they would have spent at home and now rather than working at home to monetize their invention, they are working extra for the shareholders. All that for a free meal, massage, jelly beans, lava lamps, etc.

    34. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good attitude...

      Why not work hard? The bad economy is just an excuse. Every company has just as good a chance as the other to be better. You will be recognized and rewarded for your ideas.

      Ah, fuck it, no you wont. Keep those thoughts to yourself.

    35. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by CortoMaltese · · Score: 1

      Google let's their employees work on their own interesting side projects for 20% of their time. It's resulted in some of their best innovations. The employee is responsible for keeping the project up to date and Google owns it, obviously.

      What motivates people is recognition.

      I'm not even sure about that recognition part. I'd just love the opportunity to check out the ideas I come with instead of being told to focus on getting the job at hand done. I get the best ideas from the work I do, the regular software development projects, but there's always a deadline, always requirements to meet, not more, not less. For me, the best reward would be the opportunity to explore the things I do and the ideas I get a bit further than what's required in the scope of the project. I think that's also what the Google's 20% is all about. Freedom to explore.

    36. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hertzberg built on the ideas of Maslow and applied it to the particular topic of motivation at work. Maslow's pyramid of needs is stated in a more general context (what drives human beings?).

    37. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maslow's hierarchy deals with general human psychological needs, Hertzberg did one specific to the work environment.

    38. Re:empowerment 20% of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Over-stressing employees is DEFINITELY a mistake

      2) Provide CONSTANT, LIVING PROOFS that good ideas WILL be rewarded (and also, that bad ones will not make you "redundant")

      3) Teaching meditation and relaxation techniques HAVE BEEN proven to lead to better living standards, hence increasing confidence in the above-mentioned points ...

      4) Luring people with BROAD INTERESTS will result in much more ideas (ie. Tuffte's design, Psychology, Physics, ... : it's often in the mixing of ideas from different fields that leads to unexpected breakthroughs)

      (ultimately, one may wish to look at the various religious teachings ... ie. some comentator of the Veda discovered the actual speed of light in the 15th century AD, amongst other "unknown" things)

  9. Mandatory time by amclay · · Score: 1

    Some companies mandate that a certain percentage of their employee's time should be dedicated to innovation. I know one that does is J. M. Smuckers (I believe). They mandate 15% of their time. Those who want to innovate can, and those who don't, get some time off, which improves their morale. Win-Win.

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  10. Money by Slightly+Askew · · Score: 1

    Failing that...more money.

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    1. Re:Money by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Failing that...more money.

      Or less money.

      MEMO TO ALL STAFF:

      We are presently overstaffed in relation to our workload. There will be a meeting with all staff on Thursday at 9am to discuss...... our options.

      Please note that none of these options involves me being fired or taking a pay cut in any way, shape or form.

      Regards
      Boss.

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      There is a lot of hype here.
  11. In capitalist America... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In capitalist America, Innovation suggests you!

  12. All I can think of is Simpsons by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Homer: [watching vending machine] Apple... Apple... Apple... come on, Candy Bar... [looking at an apple in the machine] Hey, I know you! You're that first apple I didn't want! That sinks it! I'm really gonna get let them have it this time! [writing on a notepad next to the suggestion box] No more apples in the vending machine PLEASE!! Then Mr. Burns gets it and reads it in a demeaning voice "Oh, don't worry, there will be plenty of apples in the vending machine."

    1. Re:All I can think of is Simpsons by Sigvatr · · Score: 1

      Obviously employers DO NOT need to use reverse psychology.

  13. Simple by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is the best way to encourage workers to suggest new products to be made / researched by the company?
    "Ever since the Phoenicians invented money, there has been only one answer to that question." -- Clarence Darrow

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    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this was a quote, but the Phoenicians didn't invent money, the Lydians did.

  14. I don't understand the question? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your question is a little confusing - It's not clear to me whether you're asking for a mechanism for employees to make suggestions to 'improve the workplace' ("Gee it sure would be nice to have a ping pong table!") or a mechanism for them to make suggestions for feature improvements ("We should build a Linux version of your application!").

    If it's the former, be careful. Generally, employee suggestions for workplace improvements cost money (real or perceived), be it "pizza Friday," a ping pong table or better telecommuting policies. Unless you have buy-in from upper management for a genuine $$$ budget for 'morale' these requests just to into a black hole, so why bother providing the mechanism? Make sure you have a budget first.

    If it's the latter, I've never worked for a company yet that didn't have a shortage of employee suggestions of good ideas for a given product. Sales is full of suggestions. The tricky part is having a mechanism to evaluate & estimate those suggestions, build business cases and all that tricky stuff...

  15. Ideas are the easy part, they need to implement. by Whatsisname · · Score: 1

    Ideas are easy to come by, frankly they are pretty much worthless.

    If you want innovation, you have to give them time to somewhat implement their ideas on their own. The implementation will require them to further refine their thoughts and work out some of the kinks, and interesting projects will inspire others to build off it. Furthermore, they have to be able to work on whatever they want, any hoop they have to jump through, anyone who has to decide if its worth other than themselves, while stifle creative spirit.

  16. don't suggest innovation, just innovate by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

    Give employees half a day a week in which they should work on any side project they want (like google). Monthly, have a lunch meeting where people can discuss cool things they've been doing, ideas that came from it, etc.

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  17. Human Resource Management is where the money is by unlametheweak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How To Encourage Workers To Suggest Innovation?

    1) Pay "workers" for each suggestion.
    2) Ensure that each "worker" is made aware that the "worker" owns the ideas he submits to the company, and that the company will offer to license the ideas from the "worker" if Management deems the ideas "good enough" to implement
    3) Ensure that the following are NOT offered as incentives: "raffles", "prizes" and (like one company I worked for offered, the "opportunity" to win the privilege of having breakfast with a Manager). This should be common sense for ANYBODY who has studied Management, the Social Sciences, Psychology, etc. But unfortunately the type of people who get into Human Resource Management don't usually have the brightest light bulbs.

    1. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      ...the "opportunity" to win the privilege of having breakfast with a Manager. Yeah, but at least you can understand why the manager signed off on this offer -- he gets a free breakfast regardless of what happens!

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    2. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      But unfortunately the type of people who get into Human Resource Management don't usually have the brightest light bulbs.

      Well here's a free, innovative idea I'm giving away to all companies: get rid of your Human Resources department! They don't do anything useful, they actually create roadblocks to bringing in good employees, and they cost money. Deming said long ago that HR was a useless function and should be eliminated.

    3. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Somewhat along those lines, I would say that the "best" way to encourage suggestions for new products, is to give the employee a piece of the product. Say maybe 1% of the gross revenue (depends on the type of product, sales volume, etc.) or some similar arrangement. That way the employee really feels ownership in a tangible way.

      One reason for doing this is: if the employee feels he/she has a good idea, that employee may well be in a position to leave the company and take that idea with them. Keeping it in the company by giving them an honest (and proportional) reward for the idea benefits the company.

      I know that some companies/employees have non-compete agreements, but depending on the state they can be weak or even (California) unenforceable.

    4. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HR Departments are, quite often, your only route to getting rid of a person in a management position.

    5. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joel Spolsky wrote and article about how to thank an employee who gave him a new million dollar income stream.

      http://www.inc.com/magazine/20090101/how-hard-could-it-be-thanks-or-no-thanks_Printer_Friendly.html?partner=fogcreek

      For those who can't bother to RTFA they offered him a pair of golden handcuffs. Would you be surprised that hear that he went for a job somewhere else?

      Is it any wonder companies are not innovating as much as they have the potential for?

      Apple seems to be innovative but I couldn't find anything on what they do in a quick Google search. Anyone have a scope on what Apple does?

    6. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      HR Departments are, quite often, your only route to getting rid of a person in a management position.

      They're also, quite often, the reason that person was put into a management position in the first place!

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    7. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      1) Pay "workers" for each suggestion.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this will lead to workers submitting huge numbers of relatively worthless suggestions.

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    8. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Apple seems to be innovative but I couldn't find anything on what they do in a quick Google search. Anyone have a scope on what Apple does?

      From what I know of Apple (it's history at least), is that they steal ideas from people, companies, etc and they underpay their employees (compared to industry standards). They appear to obtain their success through the use of a Reality Distortion Field. Steve Jobs was also compulsive in surveying people for their opinions, though when left alone (like with NeXT) his megalomania remained unfettered and he nearly lost everything.

    9. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      In a healthy organization, it shouldn't be hard to get rid of bad managers by simply going above them; after all, their manager should have power over whether they stay in that position. (Of course, most large organizations aren't healthy...)

    10. Re:Human Resource Management is where the money is by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this will lead to workers submitting huge numbers of relatively worthless suggestions.

      Of course I thought of this. If an employee is costing you more than he is worth then it will be a greater incentive to get rid of those people who derive their value from gaming the system. You pay a little more in the beginning but you save time, money and effort in the end. Even if the employee never gives good suggestions, but is prolific, I would argue it is worth the extra money (it doesn't need to be an extravagant amount of money, but something more than just a token dollar bill/coin).

      But this shouldn't even be a concern, because the company hires Human Resource Professionals to weed out the weak and the lame during the hiring processes. It is a failure of management if they get useless suggestions. To the contrary, I would rather pay a good employee for his time and effort (even if not all of his suggestions are good). This would keep up morale, and keep a steady flow of suggestions coming in. Only an idiot would submit stupid suggestions for money, and Human Resources would presumably know this.

  18. Give credit where credit is due by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Take cues from George Westinghouse instead of Thomas Edison. Edison screwed over Tesla who then took his genius to Westinghouse who then won the war of the currents.

    1. Re:Give credit where credit is due by overzero · · Score: 1

      Take cues from George Westinghouse instead of Thomas Edison. Edison screwed over Tesla who then took his genius to Westinghouse who then won the war of the currents.

      And then Edison's electric company was never heard of again.

  19. Raffle? WTF? by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do they raffle off other benefits, like health care?

    It has already been said -- if you want something of value from your employees, pay them for it. Thats how the whole "work" thing works.

    Either pony up the cash or let them use the time they are already paid for to think about how to innovate.

  20. Accept some by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's very demoralizing when leaders encourage employees to proffer innovative ideas, and then basically ignores them. Or equally bad, shows favoritism in which ones are acted upon.

    I can't imagine anything that would shut down employee participation faster than a sense that management isn't actually willing to act on them.

    1. Re:Accept some by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      This is what I was going to post.

      We have an empty 'suggestion box' at work because it's a black hole. Nothing ever happens with the things you put in there.

      However, in another department, the employees are constantly coming up with new things, and these things often become highlighted parts of the department.

      If someone has an idea, let them work on the idea. They'll come up with more ideas.

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  21. Lean Methodology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Use Lean to encourage them.

  22. I suggest all kinds of good ideas at work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and am quickly ignored or ridiculed by management.

    Then six months later when they realize I was right, suddenly it's -their- idea, and they want -me- to implement it to save their floundering bacon.

    Meanwhile, had they just let me do my damn job and implement the idea at the beginning, they could still have taken all the glory, and saved themselves a lot of egg on the face, and made the work environment actually somewhat enjoyable or rewarding for me.

    Instead, I get pissed on up front, pissed on when their pants are on fire, and pissed on when I can't help but say, "I TOLD YOU SO."

    1. Re:I suggest all kinds of good ideas at work... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So why do you continue to suggest any new ideas?

      I gave up on it long, long ago. Nowadays, the only brilliant ideas I offer to management are clearly ridiculous. The last big one was when I heard about how the company was restricting all non-essential travel, because it costs too much. However, travel that involves visiting customers is still OK. My suggestion: get rid of the customers. Then, we can eliminate all travel, and save a bunch of money.

      It sounds ridiculous, but we're actually doing a great job working towards that goal, by pissing off customers as much as we can, by giving them shoddy, buggy products, and refusing to build newer, better products for them because we can't get ridiculous profit margins from them on these types of products. So our customers are moving to other vendors.

    2. Re:I suggest all kinds of good ideas at work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked there too. Or at least at a shop where we cancelled an in house coded product that 90 percent of our customers were using in favor of migrating to standard Microsoft solutions. We laid off developers, sales critters, customer service and support staff. The customer, mainly on 3 to 5 year contracts, slowly began to dwindle to the 10 percent target customer base. For the first few years, senor management took bonuses for cutting head count and slashing in house costs. They moved on to the next division, leaving an husk of company.

  23. Go read this book. Best one i've found so far. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zapp! The Lightning Of Empowerment: How To Improve Quality, Productivity, And Employee Satisfaction by William C. Byham, Jeff Cox, Jeff Cox (With), Jeff Cox (Preface by)

    -- Michael
    (not an anonymous coward, just lazy)

  24. Listen by assertation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The biggest deterrent to getting ideas is to ignore advice. If you want to encourage employees to come up with new ideas make them feel like they are seriously listened too.

    1. Re:Listen by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      "I'm sorry, were you saying something?"

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  25. INNOVATION by slackoon · · Score: 0

    It's 3:40pm on a Friday afternoon, I'm going to go innovate from home :)

  26. money won't do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you want to profit from my innovation? sounds like you're giving me part of the company. otherwise you're getting a 9-5 brainless drone, just like you pay me for.

  27. Partial ownership in the PATENT by Foofoobar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I come up with an idea that the company patents, give me partial ownership of the patent. Otherwise I'm keeping my mouth shut until long after my contract expires. There is no incentive when I know the company is making millions and I only get a new iPod.

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  28. oh, signs, lot of signs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encourage them with lots of bright banners, exhorting them to new heights of productivity, teamwork, synergy, and don't forget safety!

    1. Re:oh, signs, lot of signs by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Coffee cups and polo shirts too!

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  29. With each decision... by abh · · Score: 1

    They simply need to ask themselves: Is this good for the company?

  30. That's easy. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Money.

    Yes, for 99% of us, the answer IS that simple. It really doesn't matter of you make propellers, pizza, or porno, most people know that their idea is likely going to generate the company upwards of millions of dollars. Freaking kills me that 99% of the time, the inventor is left holding the jelly-of-the-month club membership as a "token of appreciation".

    Money. Real money. Your company is going to make it. It's only fair you get a decent cut of that.

    1. Re:That's easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. That recognition crap doesn't work with me or probably other people with healthy self esteem.

    2. Re:That's easy. by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      How about just plain ol' respect?

      It comes in many ways. Money, power, or just giving your ideas the consideration they deserve.

      Whenever something breaks, I'm the one they turn to. Whenever something difficult needs to be done, my team consults me.

      Then every once in awhile my lead will consult me on something, but will give me crap until I come back with the answer he wants to hear rather than the real answer. Usually the reason is because sales/management is involved. It's just disheartening, especially for the length of time I've been here.

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    3. Re:That's easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry - that money goes to the investors. You know, the people that fronted the money so that you could have the job that you currently hold...

  31. Don't steal the IP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many companies (like eBay) take ownership of "inventions" made at work, so the best way to get employees to volunteer such inventions is to actually pay them what it's worth.

    Not that doesn't stop people from volunteering practical inventions or directions the company should go eg "stop punishing our members for X", but usually big companies that didn't hire people specifically for inventing things, seem to not give a crap about any invention made by staff, and would sooner axe the employee for spending time working on the invention. Even if the invention would have had a net performance increase.

  32. RE: Money go in or get out. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are considering the "money" suggestion you should probably keep the quirks of human psychology in mind. Excluding the stone-cold-homo-economicus types(who are fairly rare in practice), most people can be motivated for almost no money, or a good deal of money; but often won't be motivated by just a little money.

    A lot of people voluntarily do valuable work, or come up with valuable ideas, for essentially no money, because there is something else that hooks them. Think Free Software people, various sorts of volunteers, people who do more than they need to at work, and so on. People will also, obviously, be motivated by large amounts of money(large being a relative measure).

    The middle ground, though, can be a bad idea. People think about economic and non-economic activity differently. Somebody who would submit a linux kernel patch for free might well be insulted if they were offered rentacoder rates for their work. Somebody who will voluntarily suggest a valuable process improvement just because he takes pride in his work would probably not be pleased by a toaster. This is a somewhat interesting piece on the subject.

    Either you create an environment that gives people the social warm and fuzzies(this includes paying decent money; but relies on social factors) or you give people real rewards to motivate them. Nobody on a professional salary is going to innovate for condescension and peanuts. They'll innovate because the environment is good and they want to, or for real money.

  33. Oblig? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

    This was the first thing I thought of. Too bad being pulled into the bosom of a hot chick in a leather or latex power suit and having your hair stroked will never be a common method of promoting innovation. Sigh.

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  34. Air Force IDEA program by Xavyor · · Score: 3, Informative

    The US Air Force has the IDEA program that allows anyone who works for them suggest changes to anything. If that change ends up saving money, they cut a check for a percentage of that savings to the person/group who submitted the change.

    1. Re:Air Force IDEA program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about suggesting stopping the Air Force?
      Do you get some percentage of their budget on your way out?

    2. Re:Air Force IDEA program by BenihanaX · · Score: 1

      Yah, we had this in the Navy. Someone on my ship saved the Navy something on the scale of $1,000,000 (had to do with radar parts for planes if I remember right), and the Navy cut him a check for $3,000. /golfclap

      These people would do far better selling their solutions to the military as private consultants.

  35. "Intrapreneurship" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a field of research usually called "Intrapreneurship". The company 3M is famous for being successful with it. Google it to find some general rules about how to be successful with it.

  36. Whack-a-Mole by Modern_Celt · · Score: 1

    Any thought or suggestion that has not already been approved by management is greeted with a hammer, usually not padded, much like the well loved game Whack-a-Mole.

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  37. if my idea was good enough by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'd go out and start my own damn company, then interview my former boss for a position

    ideas are power in the world of technology. asking your employees to give them to you for a fucking raffle (seriously?) is like buying the island of manhattan for trinkets. if my idea is good enough, i deserve a reward better than something akin to an "employee of the month" plaque at mcdonalds

    but don't worry, you'll still get plenty of ideas. all sparse, vague, and minor: you get what you pay for

    if you want a serious reply to your question, if you actually want good ideas that actually offers serious enough implications for your company's future OFFER THEM STOCK AND AN EQUITY STAKE

    not a fucking raffle. frankly, your quesiton is insulting

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  38. Ask The Economist by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    The Economist has its annual Innovation Awards (since 2002). Besides listing the several categories it gives selection criteria. What's not directly applicable to answering the question should at least serve as a parallel example. The recipients are to be individuals rather than corporate, even though the innovation from those individuals may result in a corporate entity.

    http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10676339

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  39. prizes are fine for small ideas...only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come up with something that makes the company millions (or maybe more) and there ought to be a rewards program that specifies that once costs get recouped, the inventor gets a bit of that - fraction of a percent is fine - for as long as it makes this large amount, and whether or not he is then still at that company or not. That will tend to get really significant ideas brought to the table, where knowing that most you can get is a thanks from your unit manager and not a peep from anyone else, tends to keep you from passing ideas on that are not directly in your work assignments. Few experiences are more annoying than having your idea praised, anonymously, in some all hands meeting, remarking how many hundreds of millions it saved the company, and not getting a peep about it at any time later (nor any recognition in your annual review, ever), even though it was your effort that got it to be implemented as well.

  40. Like maybe residuals and royalties by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An idea for a software program is not unlike an idea for a book, a poem, or a song. I suggest that if a company *really* wants innovation, that they offer 1% royalties that are not negated by loss of employment. That way, a good software developer may, after 10 or 30 years of coding, actually be able to retire.

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    1. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      after 10 or 30 years of coding, actually be able to retire.

      That's quite a liberal range. I wonder where you got those numbers from.

    2. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Chris+Snook · · Score: 1

      I believe you mis-spelled "equity".

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    3. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Windows_NT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This post might apply more to city style environments.
      i live in a town of 1000 people Walker and work in a place that has 30 or so employees. Now while working on projects, we also have what the client wants, but there is always instances where there are different ways to do it. We have the chance to suggest ideas doing meetings about the projects, and our company is always taking suggestions about work env. etc ..
      But the easiest thing to do, is just talk to your supervisor, "Hey, i have an idea about this ...". also, if you want to back it up, its always better to have some good research about what you want. Ive always found that if you want to push something, you have to push it your self, the boss isn't going to help if hes not ready to implement. So information on the subject, maybe a presentation ready, some good resources, and then prepare a speech for what you want.
      like any good sales person, you should be able to sell a ketchup Popsicle to a lady in white gloves.
      And just remember that they might shoot you down, but I'm sure your opinion will be more valuable the more they find that you always have something worthwhile to investigate.

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    4. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Pincus · · Score: 1

      I work for a huge company and we do exactly this. If you offer an idea such as a process improvement that saves the company money, you get 1%. I'm not sure if there is a time limit. It might just be within the first year, but I've still seen some coworkers get sweet perks.

    5. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the chance to get a raffled prize worth $200-1000 is just sooo much more a motivator for your multimillion dollar idea.

    6. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by gutnor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice in theory. In practice that will just become like the US patent system: you will have people submitting tons of general ideas that will prevent other employee to submit "derivative" ideas and/or could interfere with the company already ongoing projects.

      Also idea as you said, idea for software program are like ideas for books, poem, ... Meaning they are very common and worthless, without huge effort.

      If you want innovation - you can pay for it in another way. Just give time and resource to your employee to pursue some of their ideas. When you see something concretely good taking shape, reward your employee by upgrading his pet project into a company project and give him some career opportunity on it.

      That will cost the company the same (or more), but without the side effect of the patent system.
      That seems to work alright at google. ( but well google is full of cash right now, so difficult to say how beneficial is this approach in the long term in less profitable times. )

    7. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by mediocubano · · Score: 1

      You are so right with this one.

      A buddy of mine patented an idea that saved his company $150 million in the first year. He may have gotten a steak dinner out of it.

      When his management asked him what he would recommend to his peers to get patents his answer was "don't do it, there is almost no personal benefit in doing it."

    8. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea until the creative accountants (a la the music industry) rig the books to show that the idea has been losing money. There goes the retirement.

    9. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by meatmanek · · Score: 1

      Required reading: How Hard Could It Be?: Thanks or No Thanks

      "Simply because one programmer's idea translated visibly and directly into a lot of money didn't mean that the other team members weren't adding just as much value to the business, albeit in a less direct way."

    10. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by root777 · · Score: 1

      Nice in theory. In practice that will just become like the US patent system: you will have people submitting tons of general ideas that will prevent other employee to submit "derivative" ideas and/or could interfere with the company already ongoing projects.

      Not always true. Most companies retain all IP( in this case ideas) whether on print or electronic media. So any upgraded "derivatives" can still be retained and put into concept

    11. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      a ketchup Popsicle

      Hey, that's good ! Do you mind if I borrow that idea and suggest it at our next Innovation meeting ?

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    12. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that stock in a private company is incredibly hard to value- and as likely to be worthless and never pay a dividend as not. I still "own" stock in several companies that were delisted.
       
      The residuals idea is different. Say, given the above, you gave Noah $1 out of that $350 fee. As long as version 1.0 of the job board is still online, regardless of where Noah went, he'd still get that $1 out of every $350 advert you sell. However, with Fogzbugz, instead you've got a per-feature deal with your programmers- as long as the feature they added is still in the software and you're still renting out your software (Fogzbugz is subscription based), they get a small portion of the subscription *regardless* of if they're still working for you or not.
       
      This is compensation you can quantify- to both your customers AND to other developers. And all team members get a share.

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    13. Re:Like maybe residuals and royalties by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      That's a good idea until the creative accountants (a la the music industry) rig the books to show that the idea has been losing money. There goes the retirement.
       
      Yes, but that depends on how well you diversify- and if your former bosses actually bothered with "creative accountants" instead of an expert system.

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  41. Yes but, No but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our company is running a program where all employees will be split into groups of 5-10 to hold idea generating sessions.

    One cool thing they coached those of us facilitating these sessions is that it's REALLY easy to kill good ideas before they ever get started.

    An exercise that illustrated this was called 'Yes but, No but'. We split up into pairs - first was 'No but'. One person had an idea for our Christmas party, and the other had to constantly find things wrong with the idea. It was really easy to find real reasons why an idea would fail.

    The second part was 'Yes but'. This time, the first person shared their idea for the Christmas party, and the second person had to agree with the idea and think about ways that it could work and how to extend it. They weren't allowed to shoot it down.

    If you have an idea generating session with people who always try to shoot ideas down, they can die before they really mature from 'thoughts' into 'ideas'.

  42. Budget by Zerth · · Score: 1

    I did several things recently that improved my company's capability to produce and reduced my budget expenses. Do you know what I got?

    I got to keep my budget, so now I can spend it on more things that will increase output.

    Unlike some places, where I'd just lose the extra money and thus have to be stupid to try. I never understood that logic.

  43. Show respect, appreciation and follow up. Oh, and by aaandre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Respect their ideas and consider them.
    2. If you implement an idea, reciprocate the value with appreciation and acknowledgment for everyone involved.
    3. Follow up even on ideas you don't implement and express genuine appreciation for someone taking time out of their day and give you a free piece of advise.
    4. Make it safe for people to suggest ideas that may be contrary to what upper management feels is right, convenient or is otherwise uptight about.

  44. Not what you are doing now... by T-Ranger · · Score: 1

    Reviewed by a board, and then maybe, they get a prize after their name is drawn? I see that as total bullshit, treating your employees as children. And thinking you are not, which makes it worse.

    Why do I suspect that when you say "prize" you don't mean a million dollars in 20 $50k installments over 20 years? Maybe something like a $10 gift card to Starbucks? Am I close?

    How about this: give cash - or stock, not options, stock - to people who's ideas are implemented? Straight up: you have a good idea not within your direct job responsibility, and we implement it, you get cash.

  45. Don't worry about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I'll give you a million dollar idea for the chance to win an ePromos deskclock that will mysteriously break in about 4 days. Who could ask for a better reward?

    Is it just me or does anyone else reading this think that the poster of the question has no interest in seriously rewarding their workers for going the extra mile? A raffle? A chance to maybe win some "prize" after your workers already put in the extra effort? You must be kidding me.

    Frankly, if that's your idea of a reward system you'd be better off not asking and hoping someone in your organization offers up ideas without being asked (or expecting a chance at a reward for that matter). It would probably be better for over all working conditions. I can only imagine that your current "reward" systems breeds contempt among your employees.

  46. Coerced subjects are poor subjects. by danwesnor · · Score: 1

    The group of workers with more ideas participates in a raffle to receive a prize.

    <SARCASM>Oooh! A raffle for a prize! I might get a stuffed animal! I hope it's a kitty...<SARCASM>

    The federal government can award an employee 10% of money saved for a money saving idea (up to a limit). If your company's incentive program is worse than the government's, it's time to polish up the resume.

    But really, recognizing your smart employees and having enough respect to listen to them and actually consider what they say, and then giving them the resources they need to pursue their idea is the best incentive you can give. Promoting the clueless is the worst.

    The OP's scenario makes me think the whole thing is management's idea of morale boosting and they don't really care what anybody suggests.

  47. Gee, maybe...MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry. Did you miss that? It's MONEY! Real money, significant money. Fair money. NOT "Here's a $1000 dollar bonus for that great idea, kid." That's not a bonus. It's an insult. If that happens once in your organization, you'll never see another innovative idea of any worth. FYI, that *kid* can get funding, develop the idea independently, cover the whole thing up in an offshore corporation and sell online, and the company he works for will never see a dime. If the company wants a cut, they'll have to make it easier and/or more profitable for the kid to give them the idea. All the rest is pop-psych nonsense. There is no loyalty either from or to the organization. There is *nothing* but "Money talks. BS walks."

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  48. Good grief Dilbert, it's no wonder by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    The group of workers with more ideas participates in a raffle to receive a prize.

    If I was at your company my first thought would be "Oh boy! A chance at being in a group that has a chance of winning a prize! Where do I sign up?"

    Come on. Who is going to be enthusiastic about that?

    If you want real results, reward everyone who comes up with an idea that gets used. And make it substantial. If you give out a $5 gift certificate, then you're going to get a slew of five dollar ideas.

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  49. Instant benefits. by powerslave12r · · Score: 1

    If the board approves, the employee must receive some instant bonus, and a percentage of whatever profits may be obtained from implementation of the idea or development of the idea. Easy to say, but this will be very tough to implement. But for real innovation, there really has to be something worthwhile for the employee to be gained. Like Google has their pool of new ideas which they fund and the time spent on it is included in each employee's paycheck.

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  50. Oh, I know, I know! by flaming+error · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the best thing a company can do is make the employee sign a contract that everything he thinks of belongs to the company. Doesn't matter if he thinks of it at work, or on the way to/from, or during Sunday School. And the inventor must never ever divulge or utilize his own idea in any context, except at work (if the employer decides to use it).

    If that's not a sure-fire recipe for employees giving you their best ideas, then I don't know what is.

    1. Re:Oh, I know, I know! by unlametheweak · · Score: 2

      I think the best thing a company can do is make the employee sign a contract that everything he thinks of belongs to the company. Doesn't matter if he thinks of it at work, or on the way to/from, or during Sunday School. And the inventor must never ever divulge or utilize his own idea in any context, except at work (if the employer decides to use it).

      If that's not a sure-fire recipe for employees giving you their best ideas, then I don't know what is.

      It's been tried already. It's called communism and it failed with the Soviet Union.

    2. Re:Oh, I know, I know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been tried already. It's called communism and it failed with the Soviet Union.

      So I take it you haven't read many employment contracts for private sector professional jobs in the last few decades? The implications from some of the standard clauses in those contracts are only mildly exaggerated by the GP.

    3. Re:Oh, I know, I know! by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So I take it you haven't read many employment contracts for private sector professional jobs in the last few decades? The implications from some of the standard clauses in those contracts are only mildly exaggerated by the GP.

      Yes I have. I've even signed one like this when I was younger and more naive. It's ironic that capitalist corporations would stoop to the tactics of communism when it suites their agenda.

  51. exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't bother unless I'm seeing some direct non-trivial benefit. A pat on the back or public recognition without that is almost worthless to me.

  52. how about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say treating people like humans! Where I work people are just machines. The boss could care less. I wouldn't offer a new product idea.

  53. Whatever you do... by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    you need to make the process that happens AFTER suggestions are submitted transparent to the employees.

    If they get the feeling that the idea box is a black hole, with no feedback at all on what ideas are being looked at or why some of them aren't such good ideas (or are good but impractical, etc) they won't bother making the effort.

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  54. waste of time by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    You will not get good suggestions until people see some ideas put into play and getting recognition for it.

    I've been at this place for 3 years and have been spewing out ideas to make things better. Sometimes I get shot down but many times I get the "that a great idea" kudo. But guess what: NOTHING HAPPENS from it.

    Now I just don't bother suggesting anything and I'm planning to move on before I go postal. If upper MGMT doesn't give a damn, why should I?

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  55. it is very simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MONEY!!!!!

  56. Royalties, Royalties, Royalties... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Universities pay royalties to those who develop innovation. That is the only universal way to keep people from hoarding their ideas.

    I would add one additional motivator and that is if an idea is dismissed by the company, the employee retains all rights to it - and the employer will maintain some confidentiality of the unused idea...

  57. Put the employees in charge if their own work by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

    In too many companies, the technical direction is driven not by technical leads, but by MBAs in middle-management. If your individual contributors have to run their innovations by a non-technical manager, your organization is broken, IMO. If you empower your employees not just to "suggest innovation" but to actually innovate, you're far better off. This means putting technical people in charge of setting technical direction, and accommodating an individual's work that was not strictly prescribed at the start of the quarter.

    The whole thing about submitting suggestions to a committee reeks of corporate bureaucracy, which is the antithesis of innovation. If you're going to do it like this, do it right and get upper management to buy into the whole idea. The last company I worked for did the whole suggestion-box-to-a-committee thing, but after a few months, just started dumping everyone's suggestions into the bit bucket. This is worse than not having a culture or process for encouraging innovation in the first place.

  58. Actually implement their ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for Toyota as an engineering intern at a manufacturing plant. At Toyota, ideas for improvement get rapidly evaluated and implemented.

    This is rewarding and the person/people who device the improvements are rewarded. When people see they are being taken seriously they will be altogether more cooperative and helpful. The problem comes when their suggestions are ignored. In my opinion that is inconsiderate/demeaning; even worse than not even asking for their input at all!

  59. Never seen this, but this would intice me by pavera · · Score: 1

    Some form of defined ongoing benefit...

    This would really only work for new products/services as opposed to improving existing things I think, but I suggest a new product, with my help the company builds it, I should get some percentage of the profits of said product... If its not profitable, I don't make anything extra.

    I have at least 10-20 ideas of new things that should be built at any one time... Sure not all of them are germane to my current employer's business, but at least 5 of them are. Will I give them to this company? No, not unless something like the above is implemented to reward me. 2 or 3 of them I've already implemented in my spare time with my own resources and outside of my contract of employment entirely.. I could turn over a nearly finished product...

    With improvements to existing products or services, it would be near impossible to measure the "profitability" of the improvement, so maybe a one time bonus of $100-300 for each improvement that is accepted and implemented.

  60. Lets see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not try NOT having them sign a contract that says the company owns every idea that they have for the rest of their lives? Instead, any an all ideas should belong to the creator of the idea, unless they sell the rights to the company (this should be the employee's choise). The company can then evaluate the idea and if they use it, they have to pay a fee to the employee, plus 10% of any profits (if any) generated.

    1. Re:Lets see... by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not try NOT having them sign a contract that says the company owns every idea that they have for the rest of their lives? Instead, any an all ideas should belong to the creator of the idea, unless they sell the rights to the company (this should be the employee's choise). The company can then evaluate the idea and if they use it, they have to pay a fee to the employee, plus 10% of any profits (if any) generated.

      As someone who hates that clause in his contract, I do see the need for it.

      W/ your model you run the risk of having a serious amount of litigation should there be some employee who feels that they worked on something that their company took from them. What constitutes the profits for your invention of a new door handle on a line of cars? Where do you calculate that percentage?

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  61. In summary, less talking more doing. by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    For motivation, replies are basically falling into two categories: money and recognition. I'd like both, but either is fine.

    For the folks that say recognition is corporate-speak for no money and cash is king, where did Linux come from? For that matter, where is money to be made putting effort into an insightful /. comment?

    But your #1 barrier, as an employer trying to spark employee innovation, is yourself.

    No gets any satisfaction seeing their great idea die. There's no money or recognition in getting your suggestion lost in committee.

    My current employer talks about wanting employees to take initiative, but to get anything done I'd have to get sign off from half a dozen managers, squeeze a couple hours of meetings each week into an already over-loaded schedule, kill half an acre of rain forest in paper for reports and project plans and risks assessments, and so on and so on.

    Forget innovation, I'd like to fix bugs. For example, my app has a data file we send over to another app. We occassionally send over duplicate records, causing the other app to choke on the import. This issue pre-dates me joining the group, it is well know and years old.

    My suggestion? On the query to create the data file, use "select distinct" in place of "select." Presto, no more duplicates.

    For reasons I still don't understand, this resolution is not acceptable. So we have hours of meetings, and expend resources on containment of the issue after the fact, and never address the root cause.

    For the most part, employees want to do a good job. More than that, they really do want that feeling of accomplishment. An employer, the best thing you can do is get out of the way.

    The Wallys of the world aren't born, they are made.

  62. Hmm... by kabocox · · Score: 1

    The parent seems like it is asking for product improvements and break room changes in the same suggestion box. That seems like a bad idea. For general work place improvements, think of buying all your employees 1 GB USB flash drives. 5 years ago that might have been both ahead of the curve work place improvement and morale booster. Now, you'll get an app that requires USB key flash drives to log in and you'll need to provide them anyway. It all comes down to money. We've been wanting to provide 80 USB key chains for ages. It's only lately when the price has fallen to $5 for 2 GB that we've got 25 extra to hand around. That was a single supervisor spending less than $150 where we can't get 80*$5=400 pushed through.

    It's little things like that which are actual work place improvements. We've got several supervisors with Windows Mobile cell phones that connect using active sych. Gosh that's a workplace improvement that supervisors mostly love. It's all a money thing though. If it was cheap, they'd want everyone to have 'em.

    You know the biggest quality of life computing change that I've experienced here since 2002? The switch from 14"-17" CRTs to 19+" LCDs. They've all got DVDROM/CDRW combo drives now that they didn't have then. That's not a big quality of life change when half the supervisors still e-mail me to burn their CDs for them though.

    You know the second biggest quality of life change that I liked? A leased network copier. It scans in color and e-mails them it in pdf. It prints in laser BW. I hated scanning their crap more than burning their CDs, and they apparently can use the copier and select their name in the address book.

    Now if they can all just learn to use excel so I'm not the only one around here doing number crunching for the YER. (Heck, I think it'll be April before I get YER for 2008 numbers from some people.)

  63. incentives by dalhamir · · Score: 1

    easy, just give them $200 if their idea is picked. If that means you start getting too many crappy ideas, make each idea cost you $1, or even $.25 Well below the cost of the prize, but enough to make people at least think twice before putting in the 'mail delivered by hang glider' idea.

  64. Pussy by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep a couple easy HR girls that flirt entirely too much, and leave them with a date with Yatori in HR. Asian girl makes some totally inappropriate advances after dinner...

  65. Stop laying them off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, I'm sure if companies stopped threatening to lay them off, that probably wouldn't hurt either.

  66. Try making them a partner. Nah... by zullnero · · Score: 1

    Make them a partner in their idea. Pay them a percentage of the royalties, put them in charge of the project. Give them the feeling that since it was their idea, that their creativity is not being used and tossed aside once the money rolls in. Of course, if it fails, then it's their deal...

    Nah. The only reason for this article is to trick your employees into giving you ideas that you can't come up with for yourself. You get paid all this money for being an idea person, and yet, you've got to farm your hired help for ideas. Pathetic, really. The only intention here is for you to profit tremendously on someone else's creativity.

  67. How to check which companies encourage innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It all depends on where you work and how open they are to ideas and innovation. Some places simply don't encourage it and don't want to here it. I usually check careervote.com and other sites when I'm researching companies. Although these days I'm also checking to see if they're likely to lay me off in a month.

  68. You're doing it wrong by BradMajors · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is approval necessary? Why can't if an employee has a good idea he can't just do it without approval?

    The persons who are often best able to judge whether an innovation is a good idea are those directly working in the area and often those at the bottom of the hierarchy. Forming a board of non experts to evaluate innovation is probably the best way to kill innovation. If you want to encourage innovation think about decentralizing your decision making.

  69. Hah by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    "Come up with a really useful, innovative idea or we're filing for Chapter 11!"
    - February 13th SiriusXM Board Meeting

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  70. Don't Make Innovation a Volunteer Activity by scerruti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, all of the responses here are good, but they address the symptom of your problem, not the problem.

    Your problem is that you don't have a culture of innovation. You need to create a culture of innovation, to do that you need to fix some things.

    1) You are doing performance reviews wrong. Don't feel bad, almost everyone is. Fix that.

    2) Your workers think that innovation is optional and something that is a bonus. Innovation is an expected part of your job, and if you are not innovating you are not doing your job.

    Grishnahk says, "Any innovative ideas I come up will be kept hidden until I'm out of here."

    You need to convince people that the only way that they will succeed is if the company succeeds and you need to reward people when they do their job well. (See point #1) The Grishnahks of the world will constantly seek the workplace where mediocrity is tolerated. There are 500,000 new employees looking for jobs from last month alone. Get rid of Grishnahk.

    3) Openness. People need to know that you got rid of Grishnahk and why. People need to know that you gave Mark's job to John because John worked harder and contributed more.

    Do not tolerate substandard work. Expect innovation as a fundamental core of each persons job, not as a volunteer opportunity. Reward hard work with recognition.

    *Portrayal of Grishnahk as a slacker was from a single statement and used for illustrative purposes only.

    1. Re:Don't Make Innovation a Volunteer Activity by shentino · · Score: 1

      I would like to add that if you get a emloyee who contributes something awesome, don't stab him in the back by gulping it down without so much as a thanks.

    2. Re:Don't Make Innovation a Volunteer Activity by damburger · · Score: 1

      I would not work in such a place.

      Employees receive a fixed wage. Ideas have variable value. By saying 'innovation is mandatory' you are saying 'for the mediocre money I pay you, I expect an indefinite level of productivity'

      The arrogance of employers who believe they own the rights to your soul in exchange for the pitiful money they offer encourages smart people to slack off - and appear as average people for the same money and less stress and feelings of exploitation.

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  71. right people by Kvasio · · Score: 1

    During my studies I've learned that various cultures encourage or discourage innovation. So the morale is - lay off everyone, employ Japanese. ;)

  72. You have to be kidding?! by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    That's got to be the most pathetic incentive scheme I've ever heard of! A chance at a raffle ticket?!!!

    How about a scheme where:

    1) The employee actually benefits (radical, huh?) if their new product idea is adopted and,

    2) The employee doesn't lose out by suggesting new product ideas that the company isn't willing to adopt

    So, for example:

    1) Large cash bonus or stock options for any new product idea the company wants to develop, and

    2) Company reverts rights to undeveloped product ideas back to employee

  73. How to encourage workers to do anything? Pay them! by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    If you want workers to innovate, pay them to do it.

    Don't read management self-help books; talk to folks who did it in your field:
    Information? Google (at one time), Small Manufacturing: Lincoln Electric (recent history), Automotive: Saturn, HMMA

    Wages:
    If I'm an Engineer whose job is to create and implement profitable designs, pay me a competitive rate.

    Bounties:
    If I'm a line worker whose job is to put parts in machines and slap two buttons--and I come up with an idea that saves/earns the company money, give me 5%.
    If I save the company $20,000, I get a grand.
    If I save the company a million bucks, I get $50K.

    Profit Sharing/employee ownership:
    If the company makes money, we all get some.
    Or, when you hire me, offer me part of my salary in company stock options at 90% of FMV, with a rolling holding period of 5 years.
    Offer that (with the same restrictions) to EVERYONE--CEO to line workers. Make it less attractive to fire all the workers, then take the money and run.

    Morale:
    If you shit on people, you lose the use of their imagination.
    They'll still show up to collect their paycheck, and they'll be JUST productive enough to keep their jobs, but that's all.

    DON'T weasel out of rewarding your line workers by defining saying "innovation is everyone's job" unless you're going to start paying those line workers according to their new job description.
    These are the guys that watch the process all day every day; they KNOW where the waste is.

    Don't slap the innovator in the face by capping the bounty. Why is $50K too much to reward somebody if they come up with a million dollar idea? They just saved you a million bucks!.

    Keep your profit-sharing simple and transparent. Your employees are not likely to all be accountants, but if the profit sharing each year is a hundred bucks, they'll know it's BS.

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  74. What kind of sucker do you think I am? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    If I have a good idea, I'm not going to tell my employer about it. I'm going to develop it on my own, at home, and patent the sucker myself. Why should I let the company in on it?

    1. Re:What kind of sucker do you think I am? by Garabito · · Score: 1

      Becasue it might be a good idea, but you're too lazy to implement it or patent it yourself? Or maybe it requires a significant amount of capital investment, that you can't make on your own, but you are a geek and don't want to be bothered with getting people to invest on it?

    2. Re:What kind of sucker do you think I am? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I'm a geek, but I'm a greedy geek. Besides, it's expensive to keep my patron demon in hookers and blow.

  75. Re: Money go in or get out. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    That's a great article. As with all management things, the simple breadth of motivating factors for people tend to make any given technique invalid for a significant portion of the group.

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  76. INNOVATION stifling by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    It's 4:53pm on a Friday afternoon, and my team was informed that everyone had to be here from 8:00am to 5:00pm every day without fail, regardless of what work needed doing or how negatively one's home life might be impacted. In 7 minutes I'm going to go not innovate from home :(

    This on top of every "hey, let's catch up with the rest of the industry and move into the 21st Century - they're doing stuff this way now for a reason" innovative suggestion being shot down (and I mean with such prejudice that termination was threatened at least once).

    A little respect for professional experience (in contrast with "nobody is smarter than the supervisor"), and coupled with a little financial incentive, can go a long way.

    I like to innovate. Giving me room to really can pay off.

    Oops, it's 5:00pm now. Bye.

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  77. one bug tracker for all users by beefubermensch · · Score: 1

    One bug tracker, for bugs and new features, for all users internal and external. That includes developers.

    If you have too many ideas, you'll need to filter them. The only thing that matters is how efficiently you can filter them by merit. I don't believe that preventing end users, and certainly not internal people!, from accessing the bug tracker is an efficient way to filter by merit.

    1. Re:one bug tracker for all users by beefubermensch · · Score: 1
  78. Waste of time ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's my experience that if a company needs an innovation scheme then it's generally doing something pretty wrong. Innovation should be part of the standard job spec, not some bolt on side issue special scheme that you do for x hours per week.

    If you want more innovation forget about a special scheme. Work instead on providing time and places (virtual and real) where people can talk. Work on getting your management to allow individuals to experiment, to play with new technologies, even when they're maybe not directly related to what the individual has been employed to do.

  79. This gave kodak "idea trolls" by doug141 · · Score: 1

    Kodak had a program to give 10% of the savings to the company to the idea submitter. They didn't have a shortage of ideas. They did have a problem with people submitting ideas for common sense fixes instead of just implementing the common sense fix.

  80. Heh. "Initiative". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What makes me laugh is how mamnagers love to criticise underlings for their lack of initiative, yet the moment an underling shows any managers instantly assume they're after their jobs.

  81. PARC effect by ElectricRook · · Score: 1

    The idea of a board over-seeing all ideas will be IMHO the show-stopper.

    Not that I'm a smart haxzor, but I've seen some really-really smart people, and I've seen that the managers of the really smart people often don't realize the genius they have working for them.

    Hence, when a really smart haxzor wants to develop some interesting "new idea", the roadblocks get thrown up because the managers don't understand the need or potential of "new idea".

    I think all managers of a company which wants to try this needs to watch Michael Cringley's documentary "Triumph of the Nerds", not to be confused with "Pirates of Silicon Valley", or even "Revenge of the Nerds"... TOTN is interviews with people who worked in Palo Alto Research Center, or knew Gates, Jobs, Woz and others that were the silicon revolution. They talk about successes, failures, and things that PARC rejected which became success for others up to a decade later.

    Such as PARC engineers had a PC that could print a document which looked just like what you saw on the screen... Great you say, MS has been doing this since the 80's (1)... PARC stifled this in 1968, almost 2 decades before MS could do decent printing.

    Of course PARC computers had a mouse, 10 years before commercially available PC's had a mouse.

    1. For those who weren't there, PCs word processing was really crappy until the late 80's. For instance, your word processing software did not tell your printer what font size to use, tab length, or margins. Which does not sound like much, but if you set type for size 8 font, and your printer printed in size 10 font, your document comes out not looking like what you saw on the screen.

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  82. Royalties by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    What is the best way to encourage workers to suggest new products to be made / researched by the company?

    Give them a piece of the action, and they'll fall all over themselves to come up with good ideas.

    One percent of the gross ought to do nicely.

    Or one percent of net, if you don't do Hollywood accounting.

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  83. here they fire you for making suggestions.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I post anon..

  84. Just stop doing whatever is INHIBITING them by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No special motivation is needed. If employees believe they are being listened to, they'll suggest ideas. Everybody has ideas about how to do things better, and everybody loves to talk about them.

    I have no idea what the committees and prizes are about, but you may be sure your employees are getting a mixed message. If they are not producing ideas, it is because there is some other dynamic going on that is inhibiting them. You need to find out what that is and remove it, not fiddle around trying to oppose it with raffles and "recognition."

    By the way, there's nothing so demotivating as seeing the people who won the plaques and the gift certificates get laid off.

    For example, perhaps your company has a culture in which employees are told what to do instead of what goals are to be achieved, and punished if they achieve the desired goals in a manner different than prescribed. Employees quickly learn that procedure is everything, and that nobody wants to know a better but different way from getting from point A to point B.

  85. Ask Them by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    I was reading a Robert Allen / Mark Victor Hansen book on a similar subject. Their suggestion - ask the employees.

    I've just now started a process where I am going to elicit one suggestion from each of my staff during the weekly meeting. I forewarned them of it, and explained it will be open and fair communication. (I also told some of my more verbose employees that it only needs to be one suggestion.)

    1. Re:Ask Them by damburger · · Score: 1

      I don't know how informal you are with your staff, but plenty of places I worked - if the boss demanded a suggestion he would recieve one that was anatomically difficult/impossible.

      Idea quotas will just fill your time with nonsense people pulled out of their arses to meet your demands whilst keeping their genuinely good ideas to themselves because they don't think they will benefit from revealing them.

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    2. Re:Ask Them by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      I'll let you know. As of right now, I'm just asking. If I get 100 ideas and only one is good, then I'm still up one idea had I not asked.

  86. you know the answer: $$$ by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Royalties. If an employee comes up with a product that makes (or saves) a bunch of money for your firm, give them a few percentage points of the resulting profits.

  87. yippee! by i621148 · · Score: 1

    For every patent we file at our company, we get a nice brass and wood plaque. We also get to keep working here and during this economy is a pretty sweet deal.

  88. Pay them for it. by brentonboy · · Score: 1

    Any given employee will spend 30% of the time not doing serious work anyway, so why not ease the guilt for this and replace it with something useful? Allow employees to use 10% of their time to do cool things for the company. It seems to work for google, even if they don't usually spend as much time as they're theoretically allowed to.

  89. My one piece of advice: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Listen to them when they volunteer their ideas. People don't just come up with bright ideas on your watch. Similarly, people don't bother sharing their ideas when management has its collective head up its collective asshole, which is frequently the case.

  90. Tesla was paid-off by Edison. Link below. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a recent 8-page letter discovered that showed an unusual attitude/relationship between Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla. Apparently they were more involved with one-another than previously thought, even suggesting some of their disputes were staged. It is currently available at an online auction site for over $300K american dollars. I find it verry disgusting that scientists would conspire in such a way as proclaim the advancement of man to be an element of commerce instead of science. The URL was realy long, so try to click rather than copy the URL; The first 4 pages of that auction can be read this directory of an auction firm on Texas http://www.galleryauctions.com/auctions/p7lsm_img_4/...

  91. mental checklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actions depend on the circumstances

    1. did you tell anyone the idea?
    if Y you are already screwed, else go to 2.

    2. is the idea closely related to your job?
    if Y then its probably best to pipe up as you will never convince a court its not property of the employer, otherwise go to 3.

    2. can the idea go to market quickly/cheaply?
    if N you need funding. carefully prod some venture capitalists, university or government innovation types. dont explain too much and never disclose anything without NDA. if Y go to 3.

    3. is it patentable?
    if N someone will steal the idea. period. if Y get a patent application in and go to 4.
    note that the filing date may be used against you by your employer later, so it might pay to quit just before you file.

    4. do you have the right people?
    if N do careful research and get the right team ready to roll provisional on funding, patent approval etc. else go to 5

    5. quit job

    keep ALL correspondence. date everything. take advice. ensure clear space between your contract and your new venture. if there is value in the invention your old employer will make your life suck in a big way. having powerful backers can help.

    putting the intellectual property into a limited company that you do not control (friends & family as codirectors with you the major shareholder) can help too. get directors insurance. lots of it. and a legal opinion before you let loose.

    the court will assess, amongst other things:
      (a) your invention's relationship with your old job role
      (b) when you quit
      (c) when you filed your patent or incorporation
      (d) whether you control what happens to it
      (e) your diligence in ensuring your old company's interests were looked after during your tenure (and after to a reasonable extent)

      so if i worked for ibm as a chip designer, invented a new chip, pentented it, started a company and then quit IBM then I would be screwed.

      if i worked for ibm as a chip designer, invented a new mouse trap, quit, patented, incorporated then I would be probably be OK.

  92. If you use my idea? by east+coast · · Score: 1

    If you use my idea on how to reward your employees for their ideas do I get a shot in your raffle too?

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  93. Need fair compensation... not movie tickets by Quick+Reply · · Score: 1

    I work for a large company that has a huge innovation programme. We are expected put in at least 1 idea per month to participate in Profit Share.

    But I will only provide minor ideas or improvements.

    For major money-making ideas, I will keep those to myself.

    This is because I know that I am not going to be well compensated for it if I is successful. At most I may get some movie tickets for it, as oppose it keeping it for myself, where I could go out there in the world of business and be well compensated for my success, if only I was more business savvy.

    All it would take is a guarantee that if the major idea is successful, then the idea is still the property of the company, but I am entitled to 10% of the first year's profits. - Hey maybe I could put that in as my next idea.

  94. make them owners by AeiwiMaster · · Score: 1

    I think it is very simple.

    1) Make them coowners.
    Part of the salary should be in company shares.

    It is important that it is not in stock options.

    2) Give them time to work on there own ideas.
    20% like Google is fine.

    This gives them both the encouragement and the
    opportunity to invent for the company.

     

  95. patents by ubersparky · · Score: 1

    my company offer £1000 per patent granted great as long as you can persuade the incumbant conversative engineer community to (a) understand what you're proposing (b) understand the benefits (c) adopt in their next products (d) be willing to sell your soul politically within the company for the next couple of years to even get the relevant people to consider the idea Any ideas for getting around that company culture? :-)

  96. I know this one!!! *raises hand* by rts008 · · Score: 1

    The WWW approach would seem tailor made for this.

    1. First W: Whiskey!
    2. Second W: Women!
    3. Third W: Whips!
    4. ?????
    5. Profit! or at least a party that will be the talk of the office for years!

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  97. gulags... by ztcamper · · Score: 1

    nuff said.

  98. respect by shentino · · Score: 1

    I think the first thing you need to do is take care of your workers and make it safe for them to share their ideas.

    A few cultural obstacles that will spoil it

    1. Making them feel owned

    Nabbing a great idea from an employee and then showing them no thanks for it, really kills initiative. Make sure they fell the company values them as a member of the team, and not just a golden goose that can be milked for all its worth before being sent to the foie gras factory.

    Case in point:

    Employee shares great improvement for labor efficiency, then gets laid off as unneeded because his position became obsolete. Perhaps bad strategy on the employee, but also complete disregard on the company. Strategy battles are divisive enough intercompany, they are sure as HELL not needed inside one.

    2. Making them feel threatened

    Often times especially with traditional hierarchies, "new ideas" are seen as a challenge to authority, as in how DARE a mere peon would even think of one-upping his boss by coming up with something his boss didn't already sanction by coming up with first.

    Make a culture where a boss and his subordinates can be peers. Good amicability really makes good task grease.

    Put yourself in your employee's shoes and make sure they have no reason to NOT contribute.

    Once that's taken care of, make sure you actually ask for ideas.

    1. Re:respect by Plekto · · Score: 1

      3: Giving Credit to Yourself

      Nothing pisses off employees more than having a great idea and then management using it to pad their resume or get a bonus.

      Recognition also means *PROMOTING THOSE WHO INNOVATE*. Too many companies run everything in a top-heavy manner and people at the bottom have no chance to get into management unless they know the right people, go play golf with them, or have dirt on their superiors that forces them to be taken seriously.

      Honestly, a raffle is almost a smack in the face. If I could save your company 500K a year, but all I'll get is a pat on the back or a gimmick, I'd keep my mouth shut every time. It's just not worth the angst to see others getting rich off of my ideas.

      Oh - also demote those who fail to innovate. Nothing shakes up management more than a simple idea of having the worst three performers be demoted(for real, complete with salary cuts) and the best three from the general staff be promoted every year.

  99. I'd settle for common sense by rossz · · Score: 1

    At my last job, which ended yesterday, I couldn't even get them to implement plain common sense. For example, their backup plan for the database was to dump it on the VM and copy it to another VM on the same system. WTF! They hired me as their system admin, but I was prevented from doing pretty much anything useful. Their way of dealing with the huge number of errors being spit out of their PHP code was to turn off error messages. I'm so not sorry to be out of that place.

    Considering their resistance to IT best practices, I doubt they would have listened if I suggested innovation.

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  100. This is not Classical Management by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    but Participatory Management, the likes of which are taught at the University of Phoenix.

    You need to change how management works and how management interacts with the employees.

    This is not so simple, and employs new ideas like stewardship, empowerment, servant leadership, dynamic work teams, synergy, management participation, rewards for meeting deadlines and good suggestions that save money. When a suggestion saves money you usually give the employee who suggested it 10% of the amount of saved money. That is a very good motivator if it saves tens of thousands or hundred thousands, and makes the employees share the wealth. It also weeds out all of the "crap" ideas because employees want that 10% reward so they will try their best.

    Also evaluate each team and do a 360 degree review with other employees reviewing their coworkers.

    Servant Leadership, participatory management, and Building Dynamic Work Teams are a must! This is reinventing the corporation and reinventing management and empowering the employees to make their own decisions that concern their job so the managers are free to make management decisions to support the employees.

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  101. Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't punish them for it.

  102. Funny, I always heard it was Maslow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

  103. Empower them with tools and incentivize by m6ack · · Score: 1

    1) Let people have machines/tools that they can control. If they need a machine to load a different OS or piece of SW, let them have it. Treat IT HW/SW Standards as a starting point, and as a fall-back, not as a limitation.

    2) Standardize communication tools on open and text-based formats wherever possible. Eschewing Binary enables people to have the largest possible tool base for manipulation and automation.

    3) Encourage people to automate any repetitive task -- even 1-off solutions usually contain /some/ repetitive task -- and expect them to present the script they used to produce their work.

    4) Pay and promote people for their innovations in accord with their value to the company (or the people will go to other companies that will compensate).

  104. The Best Suggestions Ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    1) No chairs, they just encourage people to rest. To facilitate their removal, during lunch or very early in the morning saw a notch in a leg of each chair at random. Pretty soon there will be no chairs left, and productivity will soar.
    2) Require security staff to wear halloween masks, year round. It'll increase security presence, and show the guards have a sense of humor. Train guards to laugh, whenever they're stared at.
    3) Restrict access to the elevators, storing boxes and such inside it to limit occupancy to one person. People need exercise to work productively. People that work on the lower floors should sign an "attendance" sheet kept on the top floor, every morning.
    4) Cover all the walls with mirrors. You'll save tons of money on the lighting bill.
    1) Have two or three employees per cubicle. It saves space, and increases teamwork.
    2) Replace all incandescent bulbs with green tinted bulbs, use green tinted panels for overhead lights. It'll improve the employee's attention to detail.
    5) Instead of free coffee in the break room, have free green tea (optionally switch containers and add food coloring). More caffiene means more work gets done. Because of the green lighting, most things will look green anyhow, and you can tell them it's still coffee.
    6) Generally, rodents are considered pests, but if you lovingly refer to them by some random employees name, they become "pets". No more big spending on exterminators. Repeat after me, "How could you suggest killing [name], she's the lead receptionist!".
    9) Make up a name, tell the employees he's the new junior vice president. Whenever something bad happens, blame it on this made up person. If the employees ask to see him, tell them he works at a different branch, or he's out of town on business. Optionally create an email address and phone extension for them. Watch all the negative energy flow away from you, and towards nobody.
    6) Always have a "yes" man standing within five feet of you, to agree with everything you say. Most people will try to complain one on one, and this makes that virtually impossible.
    8) Have an disreputable electrician switch line and neutral. They'll know what that means. Give them a couple hundred bucks to keep it quiet. Whenever somebody gets zapped, make jokes about them and their static electricity problem. Electricity is a mystical force, constant zaps will increase their sensitivity and alertness to unimaginable levels!
    7) Email sharing. Save money by making anywhere from 3 to 7 employees share the same email address. Randomly switch addresses between these groups.
    2) Replace the paper towel in bathrooms with a high grit sandpaper. It might cost slightly more, but your workers will be squeaky clean.
    4) Randomly play folk music through the loudspeakers. Follow each song with a "Heeyah, folks! [imaginary persons name from idea 9] thought you might need some cheering up, so he told me to play a song for you.". Optionally pay someone beforehand to call on the phone, sing along to it, and have them say hello to the employees (this might be tricky, but it's worth it).
    5) When talking to owners or customers, refer to your subordinates by a "group" name. Such as the "skunk works", "fruit loops", or "pig skins". This will increase your departments recognition, motivate employees, and get you a promotion.
    16) Mismatch words, to describe common things. Instead of "search", use the word "sort". Instead of "email", use the word "access". Instead of "database", use "box". Or any creative blog you decide to invoke. See how that works? They'll have to think about it, and they'll often ask for clarification. What you do is repeat the entire phrase, without that word. Then smile and describe it slowly, like you're describing it to a child. Misunderstandings will be a thing of the past.
    17) Use mixed messages. Whenever you have an employee of the month, or some other random person singled out, hang the picture of them (or just their name) above a garbage can, toilet or generally crooked/upside-down. This lets

  105. So long as Management thought of it by edfardos · · Score: 1
    Go ahead and implement your ideas which will create products and save your company. But please put an equal amount of time into convincing others that Management thought of it first and all your results were the consequences of their great decisions.

    Or wait in the unemployment line.

    edfardos

  106. Joke by Joebert · · Score: 1

    Raffle for a prize, what a fucking joke.

    What happened to the days where people actually moved up in a company for comming up with good ideas, aren't these people the ones who should be running the company ?

    I'd sell drugs and steal before I ever worked for one of these companies run by people who have no skills other than manipulating and cheating people.

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  107. Ideas Are Cheap. It's The Execution... by squozzer · · Score: 1

    ...that companies will or at least should reward.

    If I were managing an innovation program, I wouldn't accept anonymous suggestions. I want to know whose idea it is so I can offer them a shot at managing its' implementation. I want someone who can see the idea through to the end.

    This stipulation doesn't preclude humble improvements to existing tools or processes. In fact, the best innovators probably already use their suggestions.

    I feel certain suitable reward can be given to those who would take up my offer.

    Ah, the smell of a freshly-printed management how-to book...I'm feeling the rush...

    OTOH, if the suggestion is REALLY good and the suggestor is a consummate jackass or lacks visible teeth, manage the project yourself, let your nephew / mistress / factotum run interference, and *maybe* a small cash payment to the suggestor would work better.

    But I think great ideas only come from people willing to champion them, who can stand subjecting them to criticism, and who can change them for a better idea is it comes along.

    In other words, let's blacken the sky with project managers!!!

  108. Innovation and Forecasting Software by leslief · · Score: 1

    If what you are interested in doing is finding a mechanism by which to gather, sort, and rank innovations or ideas, there are a number of software vendors that can be useful. One of my personal favorites is CrowdSound, which offers an embeddable widget for doing just that. There are many, many players in this space, and you can find a short list at: http://blogs.forrester.com/vendor_strategy/2008/12/innovation-vend.html I work at a company called Xpree, which specializes in tapping the wisdom of the corporate crowd a little later in the game. We provide collective forecasting (prediction markets) from scenario planning onwards to demand planning, supply chain pricing, product quality, and other metrics. We use a well-incented and anonymous gamelike structure, and allow your company's employees to provide agile truth-without-consequences forecasts.

  109. In the military... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

    In the military, if you come up with a money-saving idea, you get a percentage of the money saved. At least, so it was once upon a time. AFAIK it still is.

    If you really want to hear people's ideas for improvement, you need to really reward them for it. To do so means through pay incentives/raises/bonuses, of course, and also by actually *implementing* those ideas. People soon lose interest in a suggestion box that could be easily mistaken for a wastebasket. And for ideas not implemented, people should get weasle-free feedback as to why the idea wasn't chosen.

  110. Re: Money go in or get out. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

    Excluding the stone-cold-homo-economicus types

    You mean like sales guys? I'm a dev, but if I do something that impacts the company out of proportion to my salary (those million dollar ideas), give me 10%. It's easier than me starting a company to build some new thing into a money maker.

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    "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  111. Drop the game show by Trillan · · Score: 1

    Without knowing the size of your company, I'm going to assume you're not a Microsoft or Adobe-size company.

    A corporation shows appreciation by rewarding it in a real way. Having a prize for the most innovation does the opposite. You're being fake, and you'll be disliked for it. Drop the game show approach IMMEDIATELY. I'd even go so far as to call it a bad idea apologize for it. If the prize is significant enough that people will care, come up with a better way to award it.

    Making a company survive in a time of economic crisis is a time for cooperation. If people like working for you, they'll come up with ways to help. Be open to new ideas: your description of how the idea is processed makes me think you're not really open, and your culture probably reflects that. And make it perfectly clear that once survival is assured, some of the money will go into employee pockets. This isn't just to motivate them, and it isn't something to skip or wriggle out of later. You do this because it's the right thing to do to people who are helping you.

    Let's be perfectly clear here: You are NOT rewarding revolutionary good ideas. You are rewarding optimization, whether it comes through revolutionary good ideas (unlikely) or several generations of evolutionary tuning of what you're already doing. You are NOT on the lookout for the brilliant idea that will double your efficiency. You are looking for the dozens of ideas that will each shave add few percentage points.

    Be patient, because you are where you are because of what you've done in the past. Corporate cultures are not changed overnight. You need to become less dysfunctional one day at a time.

    1. Re:Drop the game show by CortoMaltese · · Score: 1
      I'm amazed to find such a post among all the "more money!" posts. Positively amazed.

      I've always thought that the best ideas come naturally, you just can't force it. In my experience, the money prizes have just led to a flood of mediocre ideas by the masses. And then there has to be some stupid committee sorting the ideas. It just doesn't work.

      My advise is to give people time to explore and think of better ways to do their job, time to come up with ideas. And when they do, respect the ideas. Don't drop good ideas with excuses. Let people experiment with the ideas to see if they could fly.

    2. Re:Drop the game show by Trillan · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly! Competition for ideas is dysfunctional. The company I work for has been through a couple cycles of dysfunction and cooperation, and it took me until this time through to realize what was going on. The next time it goes into serious dysfunction I'm going to point it out, try to fix it, and if I can't I'm getting out. Life is too short. :)

    3. Re:Drop the game show by Trillan · · Score: 1

      (Total tangent: Really glad you posted this. I was starting to think I was the only sane person here.)

    4. Re:Drop the game show by CortoMaltese · · Score: 1

      (Total tangent: Really glad you posted this. I was starting to think I was the only sane person here.)

      Personally I don't mind disagreeing with the masses. You know how it is. "Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong." - Oscar Wilde

      :-)

  112. Cut to the bottom line - cash! by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 1
    The (large) company I currently work for almost had it right for a while - basically if you came up with a suggestion that made or saved the company a load of cash, you and your colleagues who came up with it would find yourselves on the receiving end of a cheque (or vouchers, for tax purposes) for a fair % chunk of it, for example if you saved them a million pounds you could well land yourselves 10k each. It's an economic no-brainer really.

    Nothing motivates people like a pile of cash or as-good-as-cash vouchers. After all, why do we turn up for work every day?

    Of course it was too good to last and after an unrelated management clusterfuck that cost them dear they shut it down and offered far less attractive terms that I know for a fact has lead to several great ideas being kept under wraps by employees who'd rather go solo (or to a rival company) with their idea than give it over for nothing more than a pat on the back.

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  113. Stick not carrot by spasm · · Score: 1

    I knew you'd all start talking about % royalties and all that sort of 'carrot' nonsense. Go back to tried and true methods - tell everyone they have to come up with an idea, rank the ideas, and fire the weakest 5%. You can bet your next round of ideas will be red hot.

    'Percentage of the royalties', Ha!

  114. What it takes depends on the situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's more than one type of employee.

    Grossly simplifying the situation:

    Employees who love their company and the desperate

    Neutral employees and the semi-jaded

    Employees who hate their company, but don't currently have a better alternative and the jaded

    The happy to work here can generally be motivated by it being something they wanted to do, or the feeling of helping out.

    The desperate will ALWAYS hand over ideas in a desperate bid to appear valuable so they'll be among the last to be laid off.

    The neutral employee sees the job as a simple exchange, X hours of labor for Y pay. If you want them to contribute, you'll have to make it worth their while. Everyone has a price, and these prices vary wildly.

    The employee who despises you (or has been bitten one too many times by bad management in the past) sees the company as a necessary evil that he has to deal with, but that can't be trusted. This class of employee expects that if he gives a suggestion "oh, someone already thought of that" and the boss or someone else takes the credit and more importantly to this employee, financial reward.

    Many employees fall into one of these broad categories, some can drift around according to their mood at the moment. It's almost impossible to make a crowd of jaded employees love you. It's VERY easy to turn those that love you jaded.

    Suggestions:
    If you have payroll problems (I've seen this at several companies where employees had to be on constant guard against being underpayed) forget happy employees.

    If retribution exists where you work, and if anyone around knows of someone fired, demoted or harmed by it, forget happy employees.

    If you bait and switch, offering employees choices or incentives that never appear, forget happy employees.

    The idea system MUST BE WELL DOCUMENTED. People will be jaded QUICKLY by an idea someone else thought of first if you can't PROVE the other person legitimately beat them to it.

    Many places have a contract for employment that states whatever an employee comes up with, the company owns, and spell out NO benefits to the employee for coming up with an idea.

    As one other entry said, breakfast with a manager is NOT a worthy prize. Even if you like your manager, you see them enough. They're not a rock star. Managers are the face of the unpopular decisions that come from above. It's the manager's responsibility to ride herd on the slackers. Doing nothing but their job, a manager will be unpopular, even though they have no say in the policies from above they have to force on the employees. (Dress code oddities, random lashings out against anything resembling a sense of humor)

    Does your company hate humor? If anyone has ever gotten in trouble for say, a project with a silly acronym or a web page with a fortune file, you'll have a hard time keeping happy employees. If you ask employees to take down comics, or take them down yourself, you have a problem.

    How smooth is your work environment? Does everyone work together seamlessly, or are you organized into divisions that do anything possible to avoid work from other divisions? Frustration loses happy employees.

    Is pay competitive?

    JOB SECURITY. NOW MORE THAN EVER. (And only increasing over the next few years) Many will NOT suggest ideas that even if accepted, they won't be around to reap the benefit of or fear someone will take credit for and get rid of them to cover their tracks. You have VERY FEW happy employees during layoffs. The standard line of having managers tell everyone THEIR job is safe until the minute they fire them is one of the few things that crushes morale faster than layoffs themselves. A layoff will force most employees to at least neutral. A *single* employee getting "you're safe, you're safe, you're FIRED!" will send everyone into "the company is my enemy" mode. This direct lying on a matter of such grave importance should be grounds for termination of the manager doing it. Yes, I know managers are to

  115. Re:This is a good start by symbolic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd say also stop treating the CEOs and upper management like gods. A company's success is the sum of its parts, and the way things are currently structured, I can't see a single thing that would motivate an employee to suggest ideas that would put a new yacht or summer home in the hands of someone else. Spreading the wealth would provide some real incentive.

    Second, if the company's culture has its roots in political infighting and empire building, this kind of environment can't exist. It simply isn't worth the effort when the potential for good ideas to get crushed under the egos of incompetent management.

  116. Re:This is a good start by dintlu · · Score: 1

    And that's the real issue, that as a company grows it's ability to innovate is stifled because the cooperative spirit fostered by meaningful work and appropriate compensation is replaced by bureaucratic overhead and a sense of corporate entitlement.

    If a corporation wants employees to innovate it needs to be innovative in it's approach. Offer 1%, siphon workers into funded shell companies and "buy" them back once they're successful, or just develop a reputation for awarding huge bonuses (i'm talking multiples of annual salary) to employees whose willingness to invest their ideas and effort into the company pay off in spades.

    All these are just methods of making reward commensurate with effort, and making an employee's work meaningful. Miss that, and the company misses out.

  117. PAY THEM!!! by bobvious · · Score: 1

    Stop trying to find ways to screw over employees. Pay them 1/2 of everything it saves the company for 1 year. A raffle? People aren't stupid. They'll see that's just flim flam. If you use the idea *thank them by paying them money dammit*! They don't need pats-on-the-back. They don't need an award. They need to pay the damned bills. Life is hard. People need to be rewarded for making the company money. It's that simple.

  118. RE: Boss stole my idea ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's comon practice for management types, nearing their year-in performance review, usually at the half-year, to encourage the succullent underlings to voice ideas of innovation, ideas of improvement, ideas of better working condition, etc..

    All too often, the Management, uses the ideas as if they were his/her own, in messages/reports to higher-ups, in order to secure successful passage, of him/her, to the next Management level, which is exactly the point.

    The Management is not your friend.

    The Management is your very dearest, most dispicable, enemy.

  119. Forget it by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    The past three places I have worked I have run into walls trying to suggest and implement new ways to make the workplace more productive. Every time you want to document something, a SME throws a hissy fit because of 'job security'. Every time you want to streamline a procedure, some M&P team throws a hissy fit because of 'job security'. All it does is make people angry because more productivity means less jobs for them.

  120. the real innovation by ne0phyte73 · · Score: 1

    In our company management offered a $100 prize money for best idea to reduce the costs of the company. The winner was the guy who suggested to reduce the prize money to $25.

  121. Re:This is a good start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A company's success is the sum of its parts, and the way things are currently structured, I can't see a single thing that would motivate an employee to suggest ideas that would put a new yacht or summer home in the hands of someone else.

    Thank you for saying so succinctly what I've been arguing for years.

    I believe the company stock plan (making all employees "owners", so they'll work really, really hard) is one of the biggest scams ever foisted off on the American worker.

    Let's say I come up with an idea that causes the company stock price to increase by one dollar. For my 400 shares, bought at some discount, I gain 400 dollars. But the CEO and the other high rollers, who were each given 50,000 shares as recruitment bonuses, not to mention later free grants of stock, make $50,000 off my idea. Some amplification factor, no?

    Have a look in Yahoo finance or elsewhere that insider trading is documented. I wondered how some of these guys, in any given month, could cash in or dispense as gifts, some thousands of shares. I also wondered what it said about their faith in the company. That question is generally dismissed as simply "prudent diversification in their stock portfolios". But I still think it's just as much a lack of faith in the company's future prospects.

    It's bad enough that CEOs made some 40 or 50 times the pay of the lowest paid employee, but it's now up in the range of 400 times in many cases. I worked for a company where the incoming CEO was guaranteed $4M per year even if he had to be taken out and shot for non-performance. If he escaped that fate, he was eligible for up to another $8M per year, in addition to initial and ongoing stock grants. This was in a company with only a few thousand employees.

    Sorry, I see no reason why I should bust my ass to aggrandize this son of a bitch.

    While I have your kind attention, I should mention that another major scam on the worker is the "attrition" concept as applied to downsizing, especially in a union environment. The corporations started this scam years ago to mute the protests of the workers. "We won't lay anyone off -- we'll just abolish jobs as people leave the company." Bullshit -- apparently the unions didn't realize they lost power with each job lost to attrition. I also worked for a large railroad that had some 60K employees when I started in the 60s. By the time the outfit was sold in the 90s, they were down to something under 10K employees. Since much of management and many exempt employees came from the operating and IT divisions, they had plenty of talent to run the trains and computers pretty well in case of a strike.

    Another sweet one they pulled was against the security force. Originally, railroad cops were sworn law enforcement and carried sidearms. Their uniforms were kind of olive drab, but they still looked otherwise like city cops.

    Somewhere along the way, they offered the cops the chance to give up the union and get a raise by becoming exempt employees. The offer was accepted. The uniforms went away and were replaced with business suits.

    Within six months, they were all fired when their now not-union-protected jobs were outsourced to Burns Security minimum wage wannabe cops, armed only with walkie talkies.

  122. Be careful about terms by vuo · · Score: 1

    Most places actually seem be rather innovation-hostile. When a manager talks about "innovation", usually that means something like R&D or engineering. Workers that aren't officially in these departments, by definition, do not innovate. An incident I'll always remember was in a summer job, where I also did some assembly-line canning of liquids. There was an elderly woman feeding cans to the system. Now, the stack was misaligned, so I had to manually turn each can before filling it - that is, completely useless work for nothing, easily eliminated. I suggested that she'd turn the stack the correct way around, so I got this extremely hostile reply that this is the way it's been done for the last 30 years, and she's not gonna change it. Because I was a summer trainee, I was junior to her, and by definition, she was right. What makes this even more mind-boggling was that I read a report where an industrial engineer had researched the same woman doing a very similar job, and found an analogous way to improve it and save her of the sickness leave caused by the wrist strain. In conclusion, humans are monkeys that work primarily by hierarchy, not intelligence.

  123. Simply asking for ideas seems to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this thread is any measure, asking people for an idea on how to solve a problem seems to work. Hundreds of suggestions later, and it is possible to see who had "innovative" ideas and which ideas are commonly asserted (but possibly still good).

  124. MBA approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i) pay them a pittance
    ii) take their ideas
    iii) sack them
    iv) profit!

    Should work, shouldn't it. Can't really see any problems with the standard MBA approach.

  125. Program needs to match corporate culture by CanYouHearMeNowDvMg · · Score: 1

    Any idea generating process and motivations need to match your corporate culture, there is no single sized answer for everyone. At my company, we have a very tiny budget to do any type of directly innovative work. Usually, any innovation we do is around optimization of existing work or picking the right or most important things from the todo list. Therefore, one of our biggest challenges is getting everybody, especially developers, to actually understand the company's and our customer's problems. They may have a nifty idea around a product using our core technology, but the direction to monetize the idea is usually too big of a jump for our company or the idea maker really doesn't understand the space to realize how business works around that idea. As for the motivation, I've found recognition to be a the biggest return. We do comp, but its never enough to justify the time to pitch, adjust and repitch ideas. Recognition, on the other hand, can not only make you feel better but it has long term value for promotions and picking choice assignments. This isn't my answer as a manager, but is more personal experience. I have been deeply involved in the few innovative my company has had the ability to consider. The extra money wouldn't have justified the time and pain. But, its given me enough attention so that other things in my job have become easier.

  126. Motivation by zmooc · · Score: 1

    How to encourage workers has not been a secret since 1968, when Frederick Herzberg published a brilliant book on his research on motivating engineers.

    http://www.amazon.com/Motivation-Work-Frederick-Herzberg/dp/156000634X

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  127. how to succeed by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

    1. encourage people to contribute.
    2. provide feedback that their contribution was received and was rationally considered. If my
          idea won't work I'd like to know why.
    3. provide feedback to everyone about ideas that were contributed. If they were not implemented
          why? If they were show the reward the contributor got. You won't get the same seemingly good
          idea over and over and your workers will become more knowledgable about the business.

    This assumes your management is rational. Which is almost never a correct assumption.

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    -- Programming with boost is like building a house with lego. It's a cool but I wouldn't want to live in it
  128. Do not delude yourselves... by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 1
    People who have good ideas and the capability and motivation to evolve and refine them, usually aren't employees. They are entrepreneurs (or kook heads working in their garages).

    If you are very lucky and actually have one of these rare geniuses as employees, they will not need special motivation to lay their ideas at your feet, they will due it out of joy / because they think it's appropriate and needs to be done, unless they really hate their job.

    Also, do not underestimate the effect of an honest reaction to a worthless idea. Even if they agree with you, people take offense at being confronted with the reality of half-assed ideas or their own finite capability in general. So don't even start asking for ideas (from those people who don't bring them by themselves) if you can't keep a straight face while telling them how great their worthless idea is.

    It's a very common delusion that if you just feed and treat your employees well, they will love you enough to give you more than you're paying them for, ingenious ideas that will fatten your wallet while they will get a tiny bonus. They won't - we live in a capitalist world and both creative and selfless employees are scarce, while jealousy is omnipresent. It's not nice, but it's their right, just like it is yours (as an employer) to reconsider at any moment whether you're getting from them what you're paying for.

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  129. DONT!` by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You give suggestions,
    1: IT BECOMES THEIRS
    2: They make money of it
    3:???
    4: YOU LOSE!

  130. Obvious, but untried. by OSXCPA · · Score: 1

    1. Ask them.
    2. Take their suggestions seriously.
    3. Follow up.
    4. Implement if they are feasible.
    5. Allow experimentation (3Com model)

    It also helps if you foster an environment of learning and encouragement of risk-taking (within limits). Buck-passing and finger-pointing have brought consultancies many dollars.

  131. Google it by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

    Do what Google does: give employees 20% of their paid time to work on whatever they want, no strings attached. That way you're putting your money where your mouth is and not just paying lip-service to suggestions like most companies do. I don't know how many times I've made good suggestions to a given boss (often backing it up with a white paper citing cost/benefit analysis) only to be told that my suggestion would eliminate someone's job security, or lead to internecine warfare, or piss on someone's shoes, or any other politically-influenced horseshit.

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  132. Other Innovation Encouraging Programs by anomalous+cohort · · Score: 1

    Wow, the OP asks for examples of applications that encourage innovation. There are over two hundred responses and none appear to actually answer the question.

    Take a look at the Why Not? idea exchange. This one is most probably the best fit for stimulating ideas but is the least appropriate for corporate use.

    The first of the challenge based innovation sites was most probably Innocentive. Please excuse the shameless self promotion but do take a look at Cogenuity (currently in beta) which does a better job than Innocentive at combining challenge based collective intelligence with social networking.

    • Cogenuity has different types of challenges. The promoter can be the judge, anyone can be judge, or a select few (chosen by the promoter) can be the judge.
    • In some challenges, there is only one winner who gets the entire purse.
    • There are also challenges where there can be multiple winners who share the purse.
    • Teams can be formed to work on solutions to challenges.
    • Solutions are highly collaborative with support for document sharing, etc.
    • Both teams and challenges have discussion areas (i.e. forum topics).
    • There is also support for message in-box, blogging, and micro-blogging.

    I have blogged about Cogenuity and about these and other problem solving applications elsewhere.

    Good luck with your search!

  133. How 'bout PAYING THEM? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    How 'bout giving them a) a raise, b) a percentage of the profits based on what it does for the bottom line, or c) a promotion and a raise?

    Or is it too much to be given what they *DESERVE*?

    In the early nineties, I worked for a company in Austin, TX. I got put on thie project, where they handed me a literal shoebox of floppies, and was told I'd be loading them. I asked what I was going to do next week, and was told not to worry. THREE MONTHS LATER, I understood: they had me use a database loader that came with the d/b (Empress, back then, a second-tier relational d/b). If something failed, it kicked everything out, and I had to figure out what was wrong, and where.

    Next time I got one, I had a different manager (so-called matrix management), and I asked her if she'd let me *write* a validating d/b loader program, I figured it would take no longer, if not less time, than the last bunch. She figured she had the budget, and let me. A few months later, I was loading the *entire* shoebox of floppies, *and* scanning each for viruses, in a couple hours.

    My "reward"? Lessee, I think that was the year "we're not doing well", and I got a $400/yr raise. AND THEN, within a year, they took maintenance and enhancement of it away from me (I didn't have a 4-yr degree at the time,and they gave it to someone who'd *just* gotten one... never mind I have been programming for a living since before some of them were in high school).

    So nice little plaques are cute... and tell you that you're worth exactly the cost of the plaque, wholesale.

    I'm happy to say, btw, that the company went down, and was bought out and taken over by a national company.

                    mark

  134. Allow inside investment by Mindey · · Score: 1

    Let the workers become the investors who expect to raise the value of their shares through thinking up bright ideas for the company.

    Encourage this as an attractive type of inside investment for their retirement plans.

  135. Profit and "Credit" by NateTech · · Score: 1

    Duh.

    A percentage share of the profits or the cost-savings, and public acknowledgment that they did something good for the company.

    The same thing the execs want for starting/running the company.

    Not really all that hard to figure out (or to do), but most companies lose sight of it beyond about 300 staff members, and start using "incentives" that create negative real results, but make the hoardes of middle managers feel better that they have something to measure with "metrics".

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  136. Money. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    The more the merrier.

    Anything else is a cop-out.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  137. Did I hear a niner in there? by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

    That's fine with me. But you might want to take it up with David Spade. He's the one that said it in "Tommy Boy".

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    Go go Gadget Nailgun!
  138. One word by mahadiga · · Score: 1

    Anonymous.
    Management should solicit ideas through anonymous communication channels.

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    I'd like to buy homeland for our 10 million people. http://twitter.com/mahadiga
  139. Hey! by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    That's my patented idea there! You owe me!

  140. ESOPs? by mahadiga · · Score: 1

    How To Encourage Workers To Suggest Innovation?

    Give Stock Options to all your Workers.

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    I'd like to buy homeland for our 10 million people. http://twitter.com/mahadiga
  141. Possible solution: Kindling by Jepting · · Score: 1

    Hi all, A friend forwarded this thread to me and I thought it might be appropriate to chime in. I work for Arc90, a consulting and product company in NYC and we recently released Kindling, an idea management and collaboration web app. I loved many of your comments because they sound so familiar to the feelings and frustrations we had with finding the right way to tap into our employees' ideas. Check out Kindling (www.kindlingapp.com) if you're interested- we built it for exactly these use cases! Thanks, Jen :)