"Ford's success has startled the country, almost the world, financially, industrially, mechanically. It exhibits in higher degree than most persons would have thought possible the seemingly contradictory requirements of true efficiency, which are: constant increase of quality, great increase of pay to the workers, repeated reduction in cost to the consumer. And with these appears, as at once cause and effect, an absolutely incredible enlargement of output reaching something like one hundredfold in less than ten years, and an enormous profit to the manufacturer"
(Charles Buxton Going, preface to Arnold and Faurote, Ford Methods and the Ford Shops (1915))
Guys, I am all for freedom and privacy and etc. Believe me, I think the government often steps over bounds.
However, this article is a bit skewed. What the FBI are offering to brief are the basic indicators that are pretty mirror throughout the government and the armed services, and in industries where they pay attention to security and are included pretty much in every security clearance type annual briefing.
These are no big deal, people are being asked to watch for them, not to go on a witch hunt. This is the equivalent of telling someone what the "signs of potential suicidal depression" are. They are points people should remember in order to evaluate situations if they arise, and part of the briefing is generally that one indicator in itself is generally nothing, but stacking them is where you get suspicion.
Now, the moment they start some type of direct monitoring/logging program "just because" I am going to call foil.
For those of you asking about funding for this it appears GlenRock Israel has a substantial stake in it if not ownership of it. At work so can't look much deeper right now/verify it.
Taking up arms against them is also a ridiculously extreme idea. If you want to help remove the RIAA's power, here's a few ideas:
Using idealist solutions against an enemy that doesn't hold quarter is a ridiculous idea. Physical attacks would get more attention and more momentum than any street corner music.
I am really glad I think most of this newer pop music is crap to begin with.
"Your honor, the homeowner is largely at fault for our explosive batteries burning down his home".
See my above comments on things that could have happened involving homeowner neglect with damaged electronics. Under the current information it is presented as some crappy manufacturing and/or defect that caused the fire.
Also, depending on the mans habits he may have never received due notification about the recall. I think I caught the information on/. and the news a few times, and as a Dell laptop owner that's it, no letter, no notice, etc.
At this point I believe the best thing would be to call a lawyer who has experience handling cases such as this. While this one is possibly a first, I am sure there are a slew of them out there who specialize in suing companies due to damage caused by faulty manufacturing or defective parts.
In the event that this was not faulty manufacturing or parts, for example if the man frayed his cord and left it damaged, then he doesn't have a leg to stand on, otherwise it should be pretty straight forward if it shows it in the report on the fire.
Absolutely, however is that situation they are damned if they do and damned if they don't
Stop selling to magazines and you are preventing them from getting out and censoring them through your channels. Thereby blocking the speech of one group for the comfort of another. Also from the summary, if Amazon is just hanging up on people calling to complain, well guess what, they are wasting business time, and should be hung up on if there is no resolution and they are just tieing up lines.
From the article
"On Thursday, so many people bombarded Amazon's main number with calls that it added a special message for them in which a smug, anodyne voice offered a terse lecture on free-speech rights before directing them to the company Web site to email complaints or post comments."
This, to me says they did it in a response to a organized phone bombardment, basically like putting up a temp holding page when a site is slashdotted or raided.
Okay, after reading most of the posts I think almost everyone is missing the obvious.
If you are a registered sex offender here is a logical flow that would work
1. Welcome to MySexOffender, please log-in 2. Thank you for logging in child molester, you are currently registered on the following sites and services with the following names (Slashdot, MySpace, Yahoo, MSN, etc etc etc with some multiple entries and different userids at all of them) 3. You have selected to add a new entry, please enter the URL or information on the site or service and your user name 4. (enters www.somesite.com and RegisteredPredator1234 userid) 5. Thank you for updating your information. You are now cleared to use this service. Remember, any time you register for a new online site or service you must immediately register with MySexOffender and failure to do so is a violation of (blah blah legalese)
Now, yes they can just get a userid and not register it, but if they don't and later that userid is correctly associated with the individual then they can be arrested and charged under the law this falls under. Same type of thing for parole violations, failing to update addresses, etc. Scott free until caught, but once caught no excuse will get you out of it.
As of mid 2005 there is a specific policy as to what troops can post, and the policy goes as far as specifically stating that troops cannot even be in possession of photographs of any dead or wounded allies, civilians, or enemies, and cannot recount after action events in which troops were hurt.
OPSEC is one thing, but that policy wasn't for security, but media control.
Sorry no link for this, I did Iraq 2003 & 2005 (OIF I & III) and am just personally familiar.
Seriously, how many of you still use the basic Google search function, and find results you want rather than Google Bombed sites and link farms set up by a hundred SEOs trying to make it to the top of the search results.
Yes, this has always been a problem looking for p0rn, since they were, and always will be, ahead of the game, so you always has bullshit results to begin with, but now it has moved on to even basic searches for information, all by this SEO war of promising their clients "top results" even for bullshit not related to them.
Some companies require this for direct government contracts AND projects that may become government proposals. Basically it helps in the "pitch" process to have all those involved already have a security clearance to prevent post development leaks.
Additionally some companies may require it just as a matter of good corporate security.
User 5: Running cracked copy, cracked or open software, and handles his own security well enough that he hasn't updated Windows XP since 2003. In part because he refuses to click on the IE icon which the site requires.
Unless there is a long term old backdoor to do the shutdown, the only people who this will effect will be
1) Legal users who were accidently flagged by it
2)People who will go back to their friend who provided the crack to begin with, and who will just give them a more up to date cracked version with updating turned off.
Now, I know no one *cough* on/. would be the type to hook people up like this, but just in case you know someone like that just recommend this as a prime time for a Linux push.
"Dear Valued Customer,
In an effort to protect your security and combat identity fraud we need to periodically confirm your account activity and identity. Please click here, login using your google account information, and complete the highly detailed personalized questionaire.
Okay, not a ton of verts on./, and fewer still have been in the past 10 years.
This is not a problem with insecure hardware, someone taking work home, etc. Thi6s is a much deeper problem.
Who knows what an access roster, alpha roster, or leader's book contains? Military style?
Who knows what it takes to do anything and what goes on almost every piece of paperwork you have to fill out?
Full Identifying Data, to include First, Middle, Last Name, Social Security Number, and often times Date of Birth go on all these. This problem is an issue with how the military identifies, tracks, and loves to have SSN's on everything it prints. Then, despite the best OPSEC plans if you are not in an MI unit with it's own burn bin set up for Classified and SBU (Sensitive But Unclassified) your information will go home with everyone, get thrown in the trash, and be available to anyone on post, and any personnel guy anywhere.
Identifity theft and risk for it is ripe in the military, and the issue is with the administrative and personnel system currently in place for the military.
GIF was popular in the early days of the internet because jpg couldn't make blinky flashy graphics
Flash can do some nice things, and I would go nuts if I couldn't waste hours at newgrounds.com
Real is crap, and I hardly ever see it used
PDF - Well, I can say that I have never had a GIF, Flash, or Real halt my system, use up so many resources, crash firefox, and make a million "official" idiots think it would be a better idea to put text in a 3MB pdf instead of a 40k text file, a 43k html formatted doc, or a 1MB Word Document.
PDF may be open, but until it stops sucking I will continue to open a google cache version of a pdf before I will open one directly.
When you form a co-dependant relationship with a piece of machinery although it cannot be measured in any scientific way at least to the individuals involved the machine can appear to bond back with them.
When it happens to you and you develop a relationship with a vehicle, robot, whatever, it does feel two ways and often acts that way. Case in point are the people who have inherint affinity for machines and computers (they fix themselves around us), people who have a car that will only start for them, and in our case the ability to have the vehicle limp back to base and always start up on some ghetto hackjob fix we'd do when she broke down.
Like a friend, sometimes they have to collapse, but like a friend they will always hold out when you need them most.
I was in OIF I and OIF III. I can tell you while I didn't have a robot at any point you do develop these odd co-dependant relationships with certain items, more-so with the clunky ones for certain reasons. In OIF I it was our truck, named "Jihad Joe".
The thing about Jihad Joe is it was a piece of crap, but it was our piece of crap retarded truck. We had to constantly work on it, we modified the hell out of it due to lack of parts and our special needs - spider webbing harnesses for storage, ghetto-rigged the cooling system, wired a DC converter to the battery and hooked a laptop into the SINGARS radio so we could do low-baudrate but secure data burst transmissions off of it (via hyper terminal, yes, very ghetto). The truck was constantly on the verge of death, got some bullet holes, took shrapnel, had a van friggin smash into the side of it, and it got a black eye (headlight busted out).
However the truck saved us many times, and always responded well to our on the fly fixes we had to do while we were out in the city. We limped it back home on many occasions, and we lived out of the vehicle sleeping on it or in it for about 4 straight months and off and on during other periods.
We became very attached to this, partially because we had to work on it so often and in so many ways. We had a co-dependant relationship, and we felt both sides recognized this. We wouldn't abandon it or scrap it, and in turn it would not leave us totally screwed, like some of the better vehicles that when they broke there was no getting them started again. Our truck was a member of our team.
So, parallel that with these robots, the things are high maintenance, and anyone who has had to PMCS anything in the military can tell you that. these guys sweat keeping it running, and it in turn serves a specific function which helps keep them safe. They become unit mascots, a member of the team, much more than a piece of equipment. You are around these things all the time for a long period, you screw around with it in the barracks and get it to fetch your lighter for you or pour water on your sleeping roommate. It becomes one of the guys and develops a personality.
In summary, just from personal experience, this is not surprising.
Slashdot Mirror
"Ford's success has startled the country, almost the world, financially, industrially, mechanically. It exhibits in higher degree than most persons would have thought possible the seemingly contradictory requirements of true efficiency, which are: constant increase of quality, great increase of pay to the workers, repeated reduction in cost to the consumer. And with these appears, as at once cause and effect, an absolutely incredible enlargement of output reaching something like one hundredfold in less than ten years, and an enormous profit to the manufacturer"
(Charles Buxton Going, preface to Arnold and Faurote, Ford Methods and the Ford Shops (1915))
Guys, I am all for freedom and privacy and etc. Believe me, I think the government often steps over bounds.
However, this article is a bit skewed. What the FBI are offering to brief are the basic indicators that are pretty mirror throughout the government and the armed services, and in industries where they pay attention to security and are included pretty much in every security clearance type annual briefing.
These are no big deal, people are being asked to watch for them, not to go on a witch hunt. This is the equivalent of telling someone what the "signs of potential suicidal depression" are. They are points people should remember in order to evaluate situations if they arise, and part of the briefing is generally that one indicator in itself is generally nothing, but stacking them is where you get suspicion.
Now, the moment they start some type of direct monitoring/logging program "just because" I am going to call foil.
I figured it out! They're counting all the ChatSpam Bots!
Damn those seductive vixens!
Fixed
Why does this remind me of an old IRC saying.....
"Welcome to IRC, where the Men are Men, the Women are Men, and the 14 Year Old Girls are FBI Agents"
For those of you asking about funding for this it appears GlenRock Israel has a substantial stake in it if not ownership of it. At work so can't look much deeper right now/verify it.
Taking up arms against them is also a ridiculously extreme idea. If you want to help remove the RIAA's power, here's a few ideas:
Using idealist solutions against an enemy that doesn't hold quarter is a ridiculous idea. Physical attacks would get more attention and more momentum than any street corner music.
I am really glad I think most of this newer pop music is crap to begin with.
Yeah, I can see it now.
/. and the news a few times, and as a Dell laptop owner that's it, no letter, no notice, etc.
"Your honor, the homeowner is largely at fault for our explosive batteries burning down his home".
See my above comments on things that could have happened involving homeowner neglect with damaged electronics. Under the current information it is presented as some crappy manufacturing and/or defect that caused the fire.
Also, depending on the mans habits he may have never received due notification about the recall. I think I caught the information on
At this point I believe the best thing would be to call a lawyer who has experience handling cases such as this. While this one is possibly a first, I am sure there are a slew of them out there who specialize in suing companies due to damage caused by faulty manufacturing or defective parts.
In the event that this was not faulty manufacturing or parts, for example if the man frayed his cord and left it damaged, then he doesn't have a leg to stand on, otherwise it should be pretty straight forward if it shows it in the report on the fire.
Absolutely, however is that situation they are damned if they do and damned if they don't
Stop selling to magazines and you are preventing them from getting out and censoring them through your channels. Thereby blocking the speech of one group for the comfort of another. Also from the summary, if Amazon is just hanging up on people calling to complain, well guess what, they are wasting business time, and should be hung up on if there is no resolution and they are just tieing up lines.
From the article
"On Thursday, so many people bombarded Amazon's main number with calls that it added a special message for them in which a smug, anodyne voice offered a terse lecture on free-speech rights before directing them to the company Web site to email complaints or post comments."
This, to me says they did it in a response to a organized phone bombardment, basically like putting up a temp holding page when a site is slashdotted or raided.
Okay, after reading most of the posts I think almost everyone is missing the obvious.
If you are a registered sex offender here is a logical flow that would work
1. Welcome to MySexOffender, please log-in
2. Thank you for logging in child molester, you are currently registered on the following sites and services with the following names (Slashdot, MySpace, Yahoo, MSN, etc etc etc with some multiple entries and different userids at all of them)
3. You have selected to add a new entry, please enter the URL or information on the site or service and your user name
4. (enters www.somesite.com and RegisteredPredator1234 userid)
5. Thank you for updating your information. You are now cleared to use this service. Remember, any time you register for a new online site or service you must immediately register with MySexOffender and failure to do so is a violation of (blah blah legalese)
Now, yes they can just get a userid and not register it, but if they don't and later that userid is correctly associated with the individual then they can be arrested and charged under the law this falls under. Same type of thing for parole violations, failing to update addresses, etc. Scott free until caught, but once caught no excuse will get you out of it.
Why? Why do you want our side to look even more technology stupid than the Republicans?
In before series of tubes jokes.
because you have your email hidden I have to say this here drop me a line sir, we might know eachother :P
malkavbug@gmail.com
Sorry you can't handle the real world
As of mid 2005 there is a specific policy as to what troops can post, and the policy goes as far as specifically stating that troops cannot even be in possession of photographs of any dead or wounded allies, civilians, or enemies, and cannot recount after action events in which troops were hurt. OPSEC is one thing, but that policy wasn't for security, but media control. Sorry no link for this, I did Iraq 2003 & 2005 (OIF I & III) and am just personally familiar.
has the quality of Google dropped this past year?
Seriously, how many of you still use the basic Google search function, and find results you want rather than Google Bombed sites and link farms set up by a hundred SEOs trying to make it to the top of the search results.
Yes, this has always been a problem looking for p0rn, since they were, and always will be, ahead of the game, so you always has bullshit results to begin with, but now it has moved on to even basic searches for information, all by this SEO war of promising their clients "top results" even for bullshit not related to them.
Some companies require this for direct government contracts AND projects that may become government proposals. Basically it helps in the "pitch" process to have all those involved already have a security clearance to prevent post development leaks.
Additionally some companies may require it just as a matter of good corporate security.
User 5: Running cracked copy, cracked or open software, and handles his own security well enough that he hasn't updated Windows XP since 2003. In part because he refuses to click on the IE icon which the site requires.
Unless there is a long term old backdoor to do the shutdown, the only people who this will effect will be
1) Legal users who were accidently flagged by it
2)People who will go back to their friend who provided the crack to begin with, and who will just give them a more up to date cracked version with updating turned off.
Now, I know no one *cough* on /. would be the type to hook people up like this, but just in case you know someone like that just recommend this as a prime time for a Linux push.
Computer not booting today? Move to Linux! 100% Free!
There was an article?
"Dear Valued Customer, In an effort to protect your security and combat identity fraud we need to periodically confirm your account activity and identity. Please click here, login using your google account information, and complete the highly detailed personalized questionaire.
Sincerely,
Not a Phishing Attempt
So anyone grab checkoutgoogle.com for this yet?
Yeah, because no one ever moved away from MUDs, or from Ever Quest, or from Dark Ages of Camelot, etc.
Of course this is coming from someone who only plays Star Craft online (kicked that nasty DAoC addiction).
Okay, not a ton of verts on ./, and fewer still have been in the past 10 years.
This is not a problem with insecure hardware, someone taking work home, etc. Thi6s is a much deeper problem.
Who knows what an access roster, alpha roster, or leader's book contains? Military style?
Who knows what it takes to do anything and what goes on almost every piece of paperwork you have to fill out?
Full Identifying Data, to include First, Middle, Last Name, Social Security Number, and often times Date of Birth go on all these. This problem is an issue with how the military identifies, tracks, and loves to have SSN's on everything it prints. Then, despite the best OPSEC plans if you are not in an MI unit with it's own burn bin set up for Classified and SBU (Sensitive But Unclassified) your information will go home with everyone, get thrown in the trash, and be available to anyone on post, and any personnel guy anywhere.
Identifity theft and risk for it is ripe in the military, and the issue is with the administrative and personnel system currently in place for the military.
Yes but you seem to forget
GIF was popular in the early days of the internet because jpg couldn't make blinky flashy graphics
Flash can do some nice things, and I would go nuts if I couldn't waste hours at newgrounds.com
Real is crap, and I hardly ever see it used
PDF - Well, I can say that I have never had a GIF, Flash, or Real halt my system, use up so many resources, crash firefox, and make a million "official" idiots think it would be a better idea to put text in a 3MB pdf instead of a 40k text file, a 43k html formatted doc, or a 1MB Word Document.
PDF may be open, but until it stops sucking I will continue to open a google cache version of a pdf before I will open one directly.
See on that I beg to differ (see my post above).
When you form a co-dependant relationship with a piece of machinery although it cannot be measured in any scientific way at least to the individuals involved the machine can appear to bond back with them.
When it happens to you and you develop a relationship with a vehicle, robot, whatever, it does feel two ways and often acts that way. Case in point are the people who have inherint affinity for machines and computers (they fix themselves around us), people who have a car that will only start for them, and in our case the ability to have the vehicle limp back to base and always start up on some ghetto hackjob fix we'd do when she broke down.
Like a friend, sometimes they have to collapse, but like a friend they will always hold out when you need them most.
I was in OIF I and OIF III. I can tell you while I didn't have a robot at any point you do develop these odd co-dependant relationships with certain items, more-so with the clunky ones for certain reasons. In OIF I it was our truck, named "Jihad Joe".
The thing about Jihad Joe is it was a piece of crap, but it was our piece of crap retarded truck. We had to constantly work on it, we modified the hell out of it due to lack of parts and our special needs - spider webbing harnesses for storage, ghetto-rigged the cooling system, wired a DC converter to the battery and hooked a laptop into the SINGARS radio so we could do low-baudrate but secure data burst transmissions off of it (via hyper terminal, yes, very ghetto). The truck was constantly on the verge of death, got some bullet holes, took shrapnel, had a van friggin smash into the side of it, and it got a black eye (headlight busted out).
However the truck saved us many times, and always responded well to our on the fly fixes we had to do while we were out in the city. We limped it back home on many occasions, and we lived out of the vehicle sleeping on it or in it for about 4 straight months and off and on during other periods.
We became very attached to this, partially because we had to work on it so often and in so many ways. We had a co-dependant relationship, and we felt both sides recognized this. We wouldn't abandon it or scrap it, and in turn it would not leave us totally screwed, like some of the better vehicles that when they broke there was no getting them started again. Our truck was a member of our team.
So, parallel that with these robots, the things are high maintenance, and anyone who has had to PMCS anything in the military can tell you that. these guys sweat keeping it running, and it in turn serves a specific function which helps keep them safe. They become unit mascots, a member of the team, much more than a piece of equipment. You are around these things all the time for a long period, you screw around with it in the barracks and get it to fetch your lighter for you or pour water on your sleeping roommate. It becomes one of the guys and develops a personality.
In summary, just from personal experience, this is not surprising.