Why do I keep seeing stuff like this here? If you like BBSs, join one. I'm a member of one and I run one. Mine doesn't have that many users, and is only up for testing purposes, but the other one I'm on has 17 users and 27 rooms as well as a LORD clone (Scary Caverns). There are many others out there with many more users.
"Noah! Both of those DB9 connectors are Female, you have to go back and get another one!"
"Aw, come on! Can't you just use a gender changer?"
"You know I don't work like that."
That's a funny thing to say. Unless you mean that the P4m and the mobile version of the Athlon4 (as they called it when it came out) aren't actually mobile proccessors, you're just wrong.
You need a physical book because we're not talking about you. When I started out, I hated having to check syntax in man. I had to either write down the info I wanted or try to remember it. Most of the time, I couldn't figure our what I wanted from the man page because there was too much there and it wasn't in plain English.
A book will help a newbie get the info they need and help them understand it, and they'll be able to quickly reference it in the future. A book has a lot more space to explain options and arguments than a man page does.
People learn in different ways. This TV show isn't targeted at the people who would just, out of the blue, decide they wanted to try it out. They need to be shown what it can do and why it's neat. That's not likely to be a person who will want to learn what commands do by digging around.
No, I am not saying that. I will actually perform the same on the notebook, if I have my keyboard, mouse, headphones and CRT attached to it. What I am saying is that if I have to carry all that shit
around anyway, then it doesn't make much difference wheather I am using a notebook or a normal desktop PC.
You already said if there were 2 of you, one on a notebook and one on a desktop, the one on the notebook would lose. Which one is it?
Yes, notebook will take a bit less of space in my car, when I'll be on the way to LAN, but desktop PC will give me few more FPS, and I have plenty of space anyways.
And you'll also have to find a place for it on a crowded table, carry it in and back out, and all just for a couple more FPS that you won't need anyway. How is it you can think that a notebook with a keyboard, mouse and headphones will take up as much space as a desktop, monitor, keyboard, mouse and headphones? They are not even close to equal. With my setups, that means an extra 70-100 lbs to bring the desktop. That's not insignificant.
Maybe it's just me, but on the LAN parties that I attended, there were no speakers what so ever. Everyone brings his/her headphones. And sound IS very important.
OK, so why did you even mention the notebook speakers if you wouldn't be using speakers anyway?
I am a real pain in the ass when it comes to keyboards. Really. Whenever I have to be either precise or productive, I use my own keyboard. Notebook keyboards just don't fit (stupid Function key always gets on the way, small Enter key, small Backspace, etc).
And again, a keyboard doesn't take up much space, and I can fit one in the backpack I bought specifically for the notebook. Trust me, it beats the hell out of your precious GearGrip pro. I can carry stuff inside and still have my hands free to open a door.
I get the same ugly feeling every time I have to use a notebook. I can't adopt to using a let's-break-our-fingers keyboard. I can't adopt
to is-that-nipple-really-a-mouse thingy. I can't adopt to carrying twenty items just to make myself comfortable and call the thing mobile. You don't have respect for me for that, that's fine with me.
I've never used the mouse nipple. I don't have to. I also don't use the touchpad. Even with the 4 things you mentioned you couldn't live without, plus a few extras, my notebook is out the door taking up less space and weighing much less than even just my other box. That's just the other box, not including any input device, monitor or cables. And it straps to my back and has spare room in it. If you think that's less mobile you're sadly mistaken.
Mainly, I think my lack of respect stems from your inability to compare. You're telling me you have to bring 5 lbs of stuff, so you may as well bring another 60. For that matter, why not bring your whole desk?
OK, so you're saying that even if you use the same keyboard and mouse you do on your desktop and wear headphones, you'll still suck on a notebook? I'm sorry, but I don't buy it unless you've just got a mental block.
You say sound is important, but you think standalone speakers are better than headphones at a LAN party? With other people using speakers in close proximity, how can you hear only what's coming out of your machine?
Besides, if you're that concerned about it, you can add a CRT to the stuff you carry and still have only a fraction of the stuff to carry than if you brought your desktop.
I've also spent ours on my AvP2, UT and Worms skills so I can win at LAN parties. I do have other games just to play on my own (like CMR2 and Alice). That doesn't mean I only play to amuse myself.
You still haven't refuted anything I've said. Just because you don't want to take the time to learn that using a slightly different keyboard shouldn't destroy your skill doesn't mean I'm wrong. I've addressed all your concerns in my setup, but you still say it won't work. I can't say I have much respect for someone who can't adapt.
Counter Strike? You think Counter Strike pushes my hardware to the limit? And I'm sorry, but I bet I could play QIII, FIFA and StarCraft very well on my notebook (I don't because no one I know plays them). Seeing as QIII has miniscule system requirements, I don't see how my hardware would be a limiting factor in that.
By seriously, do you mean well enough that your skill is the limiting factor on how well you do, or just getting bragging rights? With any of the games you listed, I could do either in my circles with my notebook.
I can stuff my mouse and headphones in my backpack with the notebook, I don't need a different keyboard and even with a GearGrip, my desktop is ungainly and I'd have to carry a monitor. I also bring all my software in case something goes kerblooie. That and some DVDs for downtime. How is it better for me to bring my HUGE tower along with that stuff when my notebook gets roughly the same (or better) performance?
Also, I don't play CMR2 at LAN parties, and even when I do play, I don't use a wheel. I like CMR2, but not enough to get a controller I can't use with any other game. Especially since I only play it at home by myself.
Hey, I use my notebook for gaming all the time (at least once a day) and my other machine has an LCD, too. I use that one for gaming somewhat less, but it still gets used.
I play 4-5 FPSs and check out demos of others, so I'm not talking SimCity, here. On my notebook, I'm able to crank up the resolution to 1400x1050 in AvP2, UT (although, not 2k3, but that's hardly surprising), Mobile Forces, Alice, Colin McRae Rally 2, and the list goes on and on. I have had no inclination to run and find a CRT to use while I'm playing any of these games.
I use the same mouse on both machines, so that point is invalid, and I like the short keystroke on the notebook (which is full-sized).
As for joysticks, what would I be using that I couldn't plug into my USB ports on the notebook?
You make valid points, but they've been adressed already.
>Laptops do contain some awful video cards sometimes, and that's usually the decision made by the company at the time of specification. Way before actual production. But there are a few that are pretty good. Namely the high range of dells running 9700s and i believe there is a dell with a gf4 chipset in it also. >
Whoa, hold on there, chief. The i8200 (the top range Dell notebook) comes with a choice of GeForce4Go 440 or Radeon Mobility 9000. None of them have the choice of using a 9700.
With your 250N, you've still got a Radeon Mobility, and unless I missed about 1500 press releases at gotApex, that's still a 9000.
My point being that these notebooks still don't have the graphics power a destop would. My GF4Go isn't comparable to a GF4 Ti. Your Radeon Mobility isn't comparable to a Radeon 9000. I use mine for gaming all the time (that's why I bought it), but I don't expect it to perform like a desktop I could have built for the same price. I got it for LAN parties, just like you, and I think it's a good trade-off.
>Short answer: Price! > >Long answer: Ask anyone who goes to lan parties.
Hah! Another opening. You came pretty close to nailing it. I happened to buy a notebook. These shuttle deals have notebooks beat to hell on price. Not only the initial purchase price, but also upgrade. I can stick a faster processor in my notebook, but it's going to be 3-4 times the price on the desktop proc of the same speed, assuming I can find someone to sell it to me.
Plus, GeForce4Go isn't exactly a GeForce4 Ti.
I like being able to watch 4 hours of Scrubs on the road, but for a LAN rig, just get one of these. Save yourself $1000-$1500.
Had I not already gotten my notebook, I would get one of these for LAN gaming. It's a hell of a lot cheaper and it'd be easier to upgrade my graphics. I've got a 1.5 GHz P4m, GeForce4Go 440 and 512 MB of DDR. With one of these, it wouldn't cost me $500 to upgrade to a 2.0 GHz processor and I'd be able to stick in a Radeon 9700 Pro. As it is, the best graphics I could get is the Radeon Mobility 9000 (assuming I can find the part number somewhere).
Now, I've also got a full tower, and I've had it for quite some time. I knew it'd be stationary, so I got the biggest case I could afford. If I didn't have the notebook, I wouldn't take a machine to LAN games, meaning I wouldn't be able to keep my profiles for various games easily. The thing weighs a ton, but it's big and easy to work with.
So, to make a short story long, you have to make trade-offs. I would get one of these miniscule Shuttle deals and accept the space constraints so I wouldn't get a hernia just so I could play AvP2 with my buddies.
Seriously, when people say to read the article before posting, it's a good idea. The journalist doesn't even seem to have a web presence other than the articles online at his employer's page.
I'm not one to say this often, but it's surprising you got modded up. Obviously the moderator didn't read the article, either. I'm surprised that you get to post at 2 by default. I can only hope you're more thorough otherwise.
OK, so yes, we should root for the journalist. I think that's a given. They're in different lines of work, and I'm sure the journalist's writing has little to no impact at all on the bassist's career. How many times have you skipped out on buying an album of a band/artist you like because of a local music columnist?
Unless you get enough lift to make it take off, I don't really see how that would put undue stress on the column. Any lift you get would just reduce the downward force the column sees. If I were that column, I wouldn't mind somebody helping me hold it up, would you? The weight of the plane is what puts stress on it until there's enough lift to make it take off (not counting side forces, I'm just talking verical).
Yes, as long as the light's refleting off something. There doesn't appear to be anything in the sky in that picture for all that light to be bouncing off. There may be some particles, but certainly not enough to make the beam look solid. Even if the beam were reflected off the clock face, the light has to strike something and be reflected towards your eye, you wouldn't just see a beam zipping across your line of sight.
Unless you're suggesting the laser is of sufficient power to ionize the surrounding air. I don't see that happening, either. Unfortunately, I can't find any details in a language I can read.
Depends on the provider. My provider, Visi.com, allows any networking you want to do including servers of any kind, but they reserve the right to cut you off if there's anything illegal going on. If you set up an open mail relay and people use it to send spam, you can be booted, so it's up to you to make sure you have things secure.
On the other hand, when I was with Mindspring, I'm pretty sure they didn't allow servers unless you had a business account (and static IPs aren't even available through them in my area).
Yes, there would likely be enough evidence indicating a modification to the system. For instance: Ford vehicles with an EEC-IV (4th gen engine management), you can buy a product called an EEC-Tuner. This is a device you plug into the factory data port on the computer to modify timing, fuel and other variables (and it connects to a computer through the serial port, pretty cool). To do so, you pretty much have to destroy the factory seal on the device. It's the same for any other chip you add. I imagine it's the same situation for other manufacturers.
Manufacturers would probably go out of their way to make sure a seal or two has to be broken and some hardware put in to modify the systems. Can't have people abusing the warrantee.
Also, not every fatal car crash is a firey wreck, so chances are that they'd be able to recover evidence of tampering.
Well, I managed to convince my sister that I'm moving from Minnesota to New Hampshire in a month. I told her that she's the first person I've told and she promised not to let the cat out of the bag. I even gave her a valid street address and phone number of where we'll be staying there.
That's a bit more of a real April Fools joke than what was posted today.
The only BBS I really got into was run on an 8088 and named, odly enough, 8088 ("8088: the BBS that's as good as a doorstop."). This BBS is still alive and kicking, but in a different form. It was originally Cit86, but now it's running on BeBS ( telnet://bebs.net:8088 http://bebs.net ).
I'm sure Xaroth (the sysop) wouldn't mind a few visitors if anyone wants to relive the past. There isn't any dial-up, but at least we have regular users that are across the country. Everyone point to http://bebs.net and read up a bit. It's fun. It's like/., only not. Read it daily.
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I'm sorry, but if you can afford DSL and 3 machines (or 2 if you're dual-booting one), you aren't poor.
Why do I keep seeing stuff like this here? If you like BBSs, join one. I'm a member of one and I run one. Mine doesn't have that many users, and is only up for testing purposes, but the other one I'm on has 17 users and 27 rooms as well as a LORD clone (Scary Caverns). There are many others out there with many more users.
Seriously, if they're cool, use them.
Today's update was actually just to inform us that there are now Stinko Man t-shirts. Not all updates are new e-mails.
"Noah! Both of those DB9 connectors are Female, you have to go back and get another one!"
"Aw, come on! Can't you just use a gender changer?"
"You know I don't work like that."
That's a funny thing to say. Unless you mean that the P4m and the mobile version of the Athlon4 (as they called it when it came out) aren't actually mobile proccessors, you're just wrong.
You need a physical book because we're not talking about you. When I started out, I hated having to check syntax in man. I had to either write down the info I wanted or try to remember it. Most of the time, I couldn't figure our what I wanted from the man page because there was too much there and it wasn't in plain English.
A book will help a newbie get the info they need and help them understand it, and they'll be able to quickly reference it in the future. A book has a lot more space to explain options and arguments than a man page does.
People learn in different ways. This TV show isn't targeted at the people who would just, out of the blue, decide they wanted to try it out. They need to be shown what it can do and why it's neat. That's not likely to be a person who will want to learn what commands do by digging around.
He is, in fact, a guy. His column is in the tech section of my local paper.
No, I am not saying that. I will actually perform the same on the notebook, if I have my keyboard, mouse, headphones and CRT attached to it. What I am saying is that if I have to carry all that shit
around anyway, then it doesn't make much difference wheather I am using a notebook or a normal desktop PC.
You already said if there were 2 of you, one on a notebook and one on a desktop, the one on the notebook would lose. Which one is it?
Yes, notebook will take a bit less of space in my car, when I'll be on the way to LAN, but desktop PC will give me few more FPS, and I have plenty of space anyways.
And you'll also have to find a place for it on a crowded table, carry it in and back out, and all just for a couple more FPS that you won't need anyway. How is it you can think that a notebook with a keyboard, mouse and headphones will take up as much space as a desktop, monitor, keyboard, mouse and headphones? They are not even close to equal. With my setups, that means an extra 70-100 lbs to bring the desktop. That's not insignificant.
Maybe it's just me, but on the LAN parties that I attended, there were no speakers what so ever. Everyone brings his/her headphones. And sound IS very important.
OK, so why did you even mention the notebook speakers if you wouldn't be using speakers anyway?
I am a real pain in the ass when it comes to keyboards. Really. Whenever I have to be either precise or productive, I use my own keyboard. Notebook keyboards just don't fit (stupid Function key always gets on the way, small Enter key, small Backspace, etc).
And again, a keyboard doesn't take up much space, and I can fit one in the backpack I bought specifically for the notebook. Trust me, it beats the hell out of your precious GearGrip pro. I can carry stuff inside and still have my hands free to open a door.
I get the same ugly feeling every time I have to use a notebook. I can't adopt to using a let's-break-our-fingers keyboard. I can't adopt
to is-that-nipple-really-a-mouse thingy. I can't adopt to carrying twenty items just to make myself comfortable and call the thing mobile. You don't have respect for me for that, that's fine with me.
I've never used the mouse nipple. I don't have to. I also don't use the touchpad. Even with the 4 things you mentioned you couldn't live without, plus a few extras, my notebook is out the door taking up less space and weighing much less than even just my other box. That's just the other box, not including any input device, monitor or cables. And it straps to my back and has spare room in it. If you think that's less mobile you're sadly mistaken.
Mainly, I think my lack of respect stems from your inability to compare. You're telling me you have to bring 5 lbs of stuff, so you may as well bring another 60. For that matter, why not bring your whole desk?
OK, so you're saying that even if you use the same keyboard and mouse you do on your desktop and wear headphones, you'll still suck on a notebook? I'm sorry, but I don't buy it unless you've just got a mental block.
You say sound is important, but you think standalone speakers are better than headphones at a LAN party? With other people using speakers in close proximity, how can you hear only what's coming out of your machine?
Besides, if you're that concerned about it, you can add a CRT to the stuff you carry and still have only a fraction of the stuff to carry than if you brought your desktop.
I've also spent ours on my AvP2, UT and Worms skills so I can win at LAN parties. I do have other games just to play on my own (like CMR2 and Alice). That doesn't mean I only play to amuse myself.
You still haven't refuted anything I've said. Just because you don't want to take the time to learn that using a slightly different keyboard shouldn't destroy your skill doesn't mean I'm wrong. I've addressed all your concerns in my setup, but you still say it won't work. I can't say I have much respect for someone who can't adapt.
Counter Strike? You think Counter Strike pushes my hardware to the limit? And I'm sorry, but I bet I could play QIII, FIFA and StarCraft very well on my notebook (I don't because no one I know plays them). Seeing as QIII has miniscule system requirements, I don't see how my hardware would be a limiting factor in that.
By seriously, do you mean well enough that your skill is the limiting factor on how well you do, or just getting bragging rights? With any of the games you listed, I could do either in my circles with my notebook.
I can stuff my mouse and headphones in my backpack with the notebook, I don't need a different keyboard and even with a GearGrip, my desktop is ungainly and I'd have to carry a monitor. I also bring all my software in case something goes kerblooie. That and some DVDs for downtime. How is it better for me to bring my HUGE tower along with that stuff when my notebook gets roughly the same (or better) performance?
Also, I don't play CMR2 at LAN parties, and even when I do play, I don't use a wheel. I like CMR2, but not enough to get a controller I can't use with any other game. Especially since I only play it at home by myself.
Hey, I use my notebook for gaming all the time (at least once a day) and my other machine has an LCD, too. I use that one for gaming somewhat less, but it still gets used.
I play 4-5 FPSs and check out demos of others, so I'm not talking SimCity, here. On my notebook, I'm able to crank up the resolution to 1400x1050 in AvP2, UT (although, not 2k3, but that's hardly surprising), Mobile Forces, Alice, Colin McRae Rally 2, and the list goes on and on. I have had no inclination to run and find a CRT to use while I'm playing any of these games.
I use the same mouse on both machines, so that point is invalid, and I like the short keystroke on the notebook (which is full-sized).
As for joysticks, what would I be using that I couldn't plug into my USB ports on the notebook?
You make valid points, but they've been adressed already.
>Laptops do contain some awful video cards sometimes, and that's usually the decision made by the company at the time of specification. Way before actual production. But there are a few that are pretty good. Namely the high range of dells running 9700s and i believe there is a dell with a gf4 chipset in it also.
>
Whoa, hold on there, chief. The i8200 (the top range Dell notebook) comes with a choice of GeForce4Go 440 or Radeon Mobility 9000. None of them have the choice of using a 9700.
With your 250N, you've still got a Radeon Mobility, and unless I missed about 1500 press releases at gotApex, that's still a 9000.
My point being that these notebooks still don't have the graphics power a destop would. My GF4Go isn't comparable to a GF4 Ti. Your Radeon Mobility isn't comparable to a Radeon 9000. I use mine for gaming all the time (that's why I bought it), but I don't expect it to perform like a desktop I could have built for the same price. I got it for LAN parties, just like you, and I think it's a good trade-off.
>Short answer: Price!
>
>Long answer: Ask anyone who goes to lan parties.
Hah! Another opening. You came pretty close to nailing it. I happened to buy a notebook. These shuttle deals have notebooks beat to hell on price. Not only the initial purchase price, but also upgrade. I can stick a faster processor in my notebook, but it's going to be 3-4 times the price on the desktop proc of the same speed, assuming I can find someone to sell it to me.
Plus, GeForce4Go isn't exactly a GeForce4 Ti.
I like being able to watch 4 hours of Scrubs on the road, but for a LAN rig, just get one of these. Save yourself $1000-$1500.
Had I not already gotten my notebook, I would get one of these for LAN gaming. It's a hell of a lot cheaper and it'd be easier to upgrade my graphics. I've got a 1.5 GHz P4m, GeForce4Go 440 and 512 MB of DDR. With one of these, it wouldn't cost me $500 to upgrade to a 2.0 GHz processor and I'd be able to stick in a Radeon 9700 Pro. As it is, the best graphics I could get is the Radeon Mobility 9000 (assuming I can find the part number somewhere).
Now, I've also got a full tower, and I've had it for quite some time. I knew it'd be stationary, so I got the biggest case I could afford. If I didn't have the notebook, I wouldn't take a machine to LAN games, meaning I wouldn't be able to keep my profiles for various games easily. The thing weighs a ton, but it's big and easy to work with.
So, to make a short story long, you have to make trade-offs. I would get one of these miniscule Shuttle deals and accept the space constraints so I wouldn't get a hernia just so I could play AvP2 with my buddies.
Seriously, when people say to read the article before posting, it's a good idea. The journalist doesn't even seem to have a web presence other than the articles online at his employer's page.
I'm not one to say this often, but it's surprising you got modded up. Obviously the moderator didn't read the article, either. I'm surprised that you get to post at 2 by default. I can only hope you're more thorough otherwise.
OK, so yes, we should root for the journalist. I think that's a given. They're in different lines of work, and I'm sure the journalist's writing has little to no impact at all on the bassist's career. How many times have you skipped out on buying an album of a band/artist you like because of a local music columnist?
Unless you get enough lift to make it take off, I don't really see how that would put undue stress on the column. Any lift you get would just reduce the downward force the column sees. If I were that column, I wouldn't mind somebody helping me hold it up, would you? The weight of the plane is what puts stress on it until there's enough lift to make it take off (not counting side forces, I'm just talking verical).
Oh sure, remind me of the things I've forgotten about, why don't you? Ugh, I deffinately need to revisit my physics book.
Yes, as long as the light's refleting off something. There doesn't appear to be anything in the sky in that picture for all that light to be bouncing off. There may be some particles, but certainly not enough to make the beam look solid. Even if the beam were reflected off the clock face, the light has to strike something and be reflected towards your eye, you wouldn't just see a beam zipping across your line of sight.
Unless you're suggesting the laser is of sufficient power to ionize the surrounding air. I don't see that happening, either. Unfortunately, I can't find any details in a language I can read.
Sure does. They must be using the green version of the Laser they used in Real Genius.
No, you just spelled it wrong. It's gibibyte. Don't you remember the story about that? Man, what kind of /.er are you? :)
> I wonder if DSL has different rules?
Depends on the provider. My provider, Visi.com, allows any networking you want to do including servers of any kind, but they reserve the right to cut you off if there's anything illegal going on. If you set up an open mail relay and people use it to send spam, you can be booted, so it's up to you to make sure you have things secure.
On the other hand, when I was with Mindspring, I'm pretty sure they didn't allow servers unless you had a business account (and static IPs aren't even available through them in my area).
Yes, there would likely be enough evidence indicating a modification to the system. For instance: Ford vehicles with an EEC-IV (4th gen engine management), you can buy a product called an EEC-Tuner. This is a device you plug into the factory data port on the computer to modify timing, fuel and other variables (and it connects to a computer through the serial port, pretty cool). To do so, you pretty much have to destroy the factory seal on the device. It's the same for any other chip you add. I imagine it's the same situation for other manufacturers.
Manufacturers would probably go out of their way to make sure a seal or two has to be broken and some hardware put in to modify the systems. Can't have people abusing the warrantee.
Also, not every fatal car crash is a firey wreck, so chances are that they'd be able to recover evidence of tampering.
Well, I managed to convince my sister that I'm moving from Minnesota to New Hampshire in a month. I told her that she's the first person I've told and she promised not to let the cat out of the bag. I even gave her a valid street address and phone number of where we'll be staying there.
That's a bit more of a real April Fools joke than what was posted today.
The only BBS I really got into was run on an 8088 and named, odly enough, 8088 ("8088: the BBS that's as good as a doorstop."). This BBS is still alive and kicking, but in a different form. It was originally Cit86, but now it's running on BeBS ( telnet://bebs.net:8088 http://bebs.net ).
/., only not. Read it daily.
I'm sure Xaroth (the sysop) wouldn't mind a few visitors if anyone wants to relive the past. There isn't any dial-up, but at least we have regular users that are across the country. Everyone point to http://bebs.net and read up a bit. It's fun. It's like
Sorry, I meant to say "convieniences". My comment still stands.