VW (at least in the US) is a 'commoner' car. nothing snooty or elite about any vw other than the very high-end model, which is never seen in the US, anyway.
As I said, it's the car for those who like to pretend they're rich.
The kind of people who cant afford to be "BMW Pricks". They buy A Golf R or GTI and pretend.
bmw and merc
These are people I call "BMW Pricks".
People who buy a 320i and uppity when their 10 second car is passed by a Mazda 3.
These cars with remote/keyless entry and start are already being stolen, even directly off of dealer lots. The criminals have already figured out what he was going to present, and are using it to their advantage.
And why my Mini dealer was very clear about why you have to insert the space age key in order to start the car, and they have no auto start option. Don't think that the dealers don't know that they are selling a defective product.
This.
I dont care about keyless entry, I learned this lesson owning an old EK Civic. Every 2 months I'd come out to find receipts all over the floor because someone would pop the locks on my car with some wire then rifle through the glove box and centre console for anything valuable. after the thrid time, I left a sign asking them to put the receipts back into the centre console and they were welcome to the 50 cents in the ashtray. The car was never stolen as that was harder than popping the lock.
To be honest, I'd rather petty thieves were able to get into the car without breaking a window, I'm smart enough not to keep anything valuable in there.
Now keyless entry and keyless start makes it easy to steal the car when a crim breaks into it.
From TFA:
"...Volkswagen's parent company, which owns the Porsche, Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini brands ", if those are not "rich peoples cars" then I'm not sure what is.
Volkswagen's parent company is called Volkswagen Auto Group or "VAG", and I cant for the life of me figure out why they haven't released a car called the "Ina".
Also, whilst VW may not be the car for rich people, it is the car for people who like to pretend they're rich.
Interestingly, out of the first 13 posts on this topic, only 2 have been by named individuals, the rest by anonymous cowards.
This may be caused by fear of the NSA as you speculate, but I have noticed a lot more comments by ACs in recent months. I was recently threatened on Slashdot for supporting someone who's opinion isn't popular. I didn't know the guy and could care less who he is. I only cared about the comment he made at that particular point in time. An AC threatened to bomb my karma into oblivion. Perhaps AC is the only way to post anything of quality of late if you're hated by the Slashdot community and don't have enough followers to help you out.
This, I've always had people who've disagreed with me, but I seem to have attracted a mod stalker.
Not sure if it's deliberate on Dice's behalf, trying to change the audience of the site or just the mod system breaking and Dice doing nothing about it.
Not only does iOS have voice control and dictation in Cantonese, but Siri even speaks Cantonese. There's also the fact that iOS supports the traditional Chinese character set, which is used by Cantonese, as well as the extra characters that are specific to Cantonese.
Having support for something does not automatically mean it works.
Apple's Asian language support sucks (so does Google's, but fortunately manufacturers dont have to rely on Google and have even added language support to AOSP). Iphone users I know in Thailand and Malaysia have to use their phones in English due to the fact that Thai and Bahasa Malay languages are so broken they are almost unusable, auto-correct in texts has to be turned off. All of these users have these phones because they think they are cool, (most had the bought for them by western boyfriends, if they bought the phones themselves they would have gone with something that had decent language support). As I said, stock Google Asian language support sucked in the beginning, but it was Asian manufacturers who put in better language support back to the AOSP.
Well if you are in China, you just fire up QQ Music and have all the music you want. If you are in the US you can use Spotify, or you can buy stuff from the iTunes store which I don't see as truly hard. Now if you want to pirate music and upload it to your device, you just copy that in iTunes and then sync, or where are you getting that flash drive music if it isn't from torrents or a physical CD?
So really, drop the crap. Apple is overpriced and they like to lock you in, but saying that it is not simple to use is a flat out lie.
Things like putting a song onto an Iphone isn't hard, it just uses several steps you shouldn't have to. Why do you need a bit of software to load it on there for you, MTP works out of the box with Windows and Linux, has done for years.
But this is only for simple things, if you want to do anything remotely complex or involved, Apple makes it 10 times harder than it should. Last time I checked you couldn't use your MP3's as a ring tone, getting the WiFi hotspot working was annoying at best (here the lack of options hindered you, auto-generating the password conflicts with Windows saving WiFi passwords by default), you cant manage your files outside of the application they are meant to be used in and having to go through itunes for almost everything is annoying at best (especially when you work on multiple computers).
Then you have features Apple flat out refuses to implement, like MSC or MTP so the device can be used as portable storage.
It's cheaper for what you get (ton more features, and they don't need to be babied like North Americans / other i users).
High end Android phones are cheaper and have more features than Iphones. Mid range Android phones are a lot cheaper than iphones and are also more functional.
In Asian nations, they aren't conditioned or forced to buy locked phones from a carrier tied to a 2 year contract. Most people buy the phone outright so your brand name handsets are competing with models from Huawei and ZTE which offer just as many features at half the price. Samsung sells a lot of mid range phones (Galaxy Mini) as well as older models like the SGS3 for much lower price points than Apple.
Can you imagine where the motherfuckers would have hidden the plug had they not been told more or less where it had to go?
This,
They cant even agree on which side to put the petrol cap or indicator stalks.
Also it's easier to open the bonnet of the car to place an ODBII dongle without it being noticed than it is to break into the car to and place an ODB dongle near the steering column without it being noticed.
Once someone has physical access to a vehicle, there are worse things they can do than mess with the traction control and abs systems.
Given the fact drivers depend on ABS and Traction Control for normal driving, this is pretty fscking deadly.
You have a huge problem that bad drivers think they are good drivers because of systems like this. Case in point
Consider a computer controlled AWD car, such as a Subaru Liberty or Impreza and an attacker telling the computer to throw 80% of the power into the front left wheel. Lets hope the driver doesn't panic and knows how to drift like a boss. I actually like Subaru's AWD, if I was given a BMW 335 to go rally driving in, I'd swap it for an naturally aspirated Impreza.
Turning off ABS, anyone who doesn't know how to pulse brake is in trouble as the brakes lock up (I can pulse brake in case my ABS fails, but ABS is nicer and what ABS does is essentially pulse braking).
Fortunately this attack requires someone to be physically plugged into an ODBII port. Granted you can get bluetooth and WiFi ODBII dongle (I've got one in my Integra) but it still requires close proximity and a dongle plugged in.
While your argument has merit, I'm going to simply stick to the strategy of buying cars that do not attach a wireless communication device to the same bus that the engine control unit sits on.
As for me, I'm going to stick to buying cars in which the brake master cylinder is physically depressed by the pedal, and in which the emergency brake lever is physically connected with a mechanical cable....
I have to agree,
I also want a mechanical linkage between the accelerator and throttle body, clutch and flywheel and gearstick and selector fork.
Drive-by-wire systems dont receive 1/100th of the testing that fly-by-wire systems do on commercial or military aircraft, without such extensive testing how can we be sure that the system wont fail except in the most extreme conditions. The simple answer is that we cant and the Prius incident proved this.
I would disagree with that - MPs reside in the House of Commons* (Lower house, which is analogous to Congress), whilst the House of Lords (is analogous to the Senate, though they are not publicly elected, rather chosen by governments)..
Ahh, I meant that the Upper House is often referred to as the senate in Westminster based countries (I.E. Australia, NZ), not that its directly analogous to the US Senate.
Actually, it's Member of Parliament - Ministers tend to be those who head up a department (or Ministry) and are part of the cabinet.
Of course, now that I've corrected somebody, I'll have made any number of mistakes.
That's correct.
Under the Westminster system Members of Parliament or MP's are elected representatives of an electorate. MP's sit in the Lower House (AKA House of Representatives or just House). I think Congressmen/women are the US equivalent.
Ministers are in charge of a portfolio and sit in the Upper House (AKA Senate). The portfolio normally relates to one or more parts of government, I.E. Finance, Defence, Tourism or Culture and the Arts. Ministers are also MP's in most cases. In the US (and countries with similar systems) Ministers are roughly analogous to Secretaries.
No it doesn't, because it removes "Innocent until proven guilty" - the US system means you can accuse me of any crime, and the burden of proof is on *me* to prove I'm innocent, instead of on *you* to justify your claim.
Dont bother trying to explain it to the GP, he is a paedophile after all.
Honda is going to have 2014 cars with iOS powered systems that integrate with your iphone. apple said lots of other manufacturers have signed on as well.
Another sign Honda is going down the gurgler.
Honda used to make good cars. Sports cars like the S2000 and Integra, bulletproof sedans and hatches like the EK Civic (EK Civic VTI-R, 120 KW in a 1000 KG package) and the NSX goes without saying. Now they only produce crap like the modern Civic and Jazz or mum-tanks like the CRV.
There may be plenty of flaws with the Toyobaru Twins but at least this light, RWD sports coupe shows some out of the box thinking by Subaru and Toyota rather than yet another bland econobox turtle.
The minute you try and control others by blocking the left lane, and forcing them to pass on the right, what happens? You create a more dangerous situation by making others pass on the right, and road rage.
Isn't it the aggressor's fault for spreading the rage around? The tailgater is the one creating a potential accident. Nothing requires that person to follow at an unsafe distance until one of us decides to change lane. How am I the one "trying to control others" by minding my own business? I'm not the one trying to push someone else around.
This,
In my country it is the responsibility of the driver behind to maintain a safe distance END OF STORY.
It doesn't matter what the driver in front is doing, what laws they are breaking or how slow they are going, it's is still your responsibility to maintain a minimum safe distance (defined in Australia as "sufficent distance to stop in an emergency without impacting the other vehicle"). If someone is doing 20 KPH in an 80 zone and you hit them, it's still your fault for ramming up their arse (we'll assume the car going 20 KPH is violating the "unreasonable obstruction" law because this is no defence for rear-ending anyone).
Yep, I have been hit by a tailgater. A VN Commo travelling too close in a 60 KPH zone, wrecked a dual control Corolla I was learning in. Insurance paid the instructor, but you cant replace dual control vehicles quickly in Oz... The Commo driver was taken to town for lost income by my instructor. So my dislike of tailgaters started very early.
I guess most non-Australians wont know what a VN Commo is, Suddenly Wikipedia.
Troll, really? I took this tongue in cheek and laughed out loud. This is a sad comment on the times, to little humor and to much political correctness.
I know this is way way off-topic, but that's probably my favorite DS9 episode; certainly in the top 5. As usual, Garak steals the show, but Sisko does an awesome job as well...
Awesome... Probably not.
But one of the few times Brooks' over acting was actually called for.
If someone wants me to migrate away from Android to their pet OS, then not having Google+ will be the kilelr feature.
so basically, you are saying you are willing to buy their hardware at a loss to them, but you aren't willing to participate in any of the add-on services that actually earn them a profit.
But Google aren't selling the hardware at a loss. In fact it's not even Google's hardware, it's Asus' hardware and they aren't making a loss either.
Piracy is not theft, which is why they are never charged with theft. Normal people actually often commit piracy. Far more than technically inclined folks.
This,
Piracy is at best, fraud, not theft. And here I'm talking about commercial piracy where you charge people actual money in exchange illegitimate copies.
Also yes, "normal" (I prefer "mundane") people pirate as much, if not more than technically inclined people.
Finally, piracy has actually lead to increased sales.
If someone wants me to migrate away from Android to their pet OS, then not having Google+ will be the kilelr feature. (Having some God-awful Ubuntoid+ instead is not it though).
And No, I will not buy into the Apple world, either)
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VW (at least in the US) is a 'commoner' car. nothing snooty or elite about any vw other than the very high-end model, which is never seen in the US, anyway.
As I said, it's the car for those who like to pretend they're rich. The kind of people who cant afford to be "BMW Pricks". They buy A Golf R or GTI and pretend.
bmw and merc
These are people I call "BMW Pricks". People who buy a 320i and uppity when their 10 second car is passed by a Mazda 3.
These cars with remote/keyless entry and start are already being stolen, even directly off of dealer lots. The criminals have already figured out what he was going to present, and are using it to their advantage.
And why my Mini dealer was very clear about why you have to insert the space age key in order to start the car, and they have no auto start option. Don't think that the dealers don't know that they are selling a defective product.
This. I dont care about keyless entry, I learned this lesson owning an old EK Civic. Every 2 months I'd come out to find receipts all over the floor because someone would pop the locks on my car with some wire then rifle through the glove box and centre console for anything valuable. after the thrid time, I left a sign asking them to put the receipts back into the centre console and they were welcome to the 50 cents in the ashtray. The car was never stolen as that was harder than popping the lock.
To be honest, I'd rather petty thieves were able to get into the car without breaking a window, I'm smart enough not to keep anything valuable in there.
Now keyless entry and keyless start makes it easy to steal the car when a crim breaks into it.
From TFA: "...Volkswagen's parent company, which owns the Porsche, Audi, Bentley and Lamborghini brands ", if those are not "rich peoples cars" then I'm not sure what is.
Volkswagen's parent company is called Volkswagen Auto Group or "VAG", and I cant for the life of me figure out why they haven't released a car called the "Ina".
Also, whilst VW may not be the car for rich people, it is the car for people who like to pretend they're rich.
Only outlaws will have hackers, or something. It really doesn't work that way, but the protection of rich people's cars will only be imaginary.
Fixed that for you,
This is security through obscurity in it's purest form. Silencing this scientist has only alerted criminals that there is a flaw in the lock.
Interestingly, out of the first 13 posts on this topic, only 2 have been by named individuals, the rest by anonymous cowards.
This may be caused by fear of the NSA as you speculate, but I have noticed a lot more comments by ACs in recent months. I was recently threatened on Slashdot for supporting someone who's opinion isn't popular. I didn't know the guy and could care less who he is. I only cared about the comment he made at that particular point in time. An AC threatened to bomb my karma into oblivion. Perhaps AC is the only way to post anything of quality of late if you're hated by the Slashdot community and don't have enough followers to help you out.
This, I've always had people who've disagreed with me, but I seem to have attracted a mod stalker.
Not sure if it's deliberate on Dice's behalf, trying to change the audience of the site or just the mod system breaking and Dice doing nothing about it.
Not only does iOS have voice control and dictation in Cantonese, but Siri even speaks Cantonese. There's also the fact that iOS supports the traditional Chinese character set, which is used by Cantonese, as well as the extra characters that are specific to Cantonese.
Having support for something does not automatically mean it works.
Apple's Asian language support sucks (so does Google's, but fortunately manufacturers dont have to rely on Google and have even added language support to AOSP). Iphone users I know in Thailand and Malaysia have to use their phones in English due to the fact that Thai and Bahasa Malay languages are so broken they are almost unusable, auto-correct in texts has to be turned off. All of these users have these phones because they think they are cool, (most had the bought for them by western boyfriends, if they bought the phones themselves they would have gone with something that had decent language support). As I said, stock Google Asian language support sucked in the beginning, but it was Asian manufacturers who put in better language support back to the AOSP.
Well if you are in China, you just fire up QQ Music and have all the music you want. If you are in the US you can use Spotify, or you can buy stuff from the iTunes store which I don't see as truly hard. Now if you want to pirate music and upload it to your device, you just copy that in iTunes and then sync, or where are you getting that flash drive music if it isn't from torrents or a physical CD?
So really, drop the crap. Apple is overpriced and they like to lock you in, but saying that it is not simple to use is a flat out lie.
Things like putting a song onto an Iphone isn't hard, it just uses several steps you shouldn't have to. Why do you need a bit of software to load it on there for you, MTP works out of the box with Windows and Linux, has done for years.
But this is only for simple things, if you want to do anything remotely complex or involved, Apple makes it 10 times harder than it should. Last time I checked you couldn't use your MP3's as a ring tone, getting the WiFi hotspot working was annoying at best (here the lack of options hindered you, auto-generating the password conflicts with Windows saving WiFi passwords by default), you cant manage your files outside of the application they are meant to be used in and having to go through itunes for almost everything is annoying at best (especially when you work on multiple computers).
Then you have features Apple flat out refuses to implement, like MSC or MTP so the device can be used as portable storage.
It's cheaper for what you get (ton more features, and they don't need to be babied like North Americans / other i users).
High end Android phones are cheaper and have more features than Iphones. Mid range Android phones are a lot cheaper than iphones and are also more functional.
In Asian nations, they aren't conditioned or forced to buy locked phones from a carrier tied to a 2 year contract. Most people buy the phone outright so your brand name handsets are competing with models from Huawei and ZTE which offer just as many features at half the price. Samsung sells a lot of mid range phones (Galaxy Mini) as well as older models like the SGS3 for much lower price points than Apple.
Can you imagine where the motherfuckers would have hidden the plug had they not been told more or less where it had to go?
This,
They cant even agree on which side to put the petrol cap or indicator stalks.
Also it's easier to open the bonnet of the car to place an ODBII dongle without it being noticed than it is to break into the car to and place an ODB dongle near the steering column without it being noticed.
Once someone has physical access to a vehicle, there are worse things they can do than mess with the traction control and abs systems.
Given the fact drivers depend on ABS and Traction Control for normal driving, this is pretty fscking deadly.
You have a huge problem that bad drivers think they are good drivers because of systems like this. Case in point
Consider a computer controlled AWD car, such as a Subaru Liberty or Impreza and an attacker telling the computer to throw 80% of the power into the front left wheel. Lets hope the driver doesn't panic and knows how to drift like a boss. I actually like Subaru's AWD, if I was given a BMW 335 to go rally driving in, I'd swap it for an naturally aspirated Impreza.
Turning off ABS, anyone who doesn't know how to pulse brake is in trouble as the brakes lock up (I can pulse brake in case my ABS fails, but ABS is nicer and what ABS does is essentially pulse braking).
Fortunately this attack requires someone to be physically plugged into an ODBII port. Granted you can get bluetooth and WiFi ODBII dongle (I've got one in my Integra) but it still requires close proximity and a dongle plugged in.
As for me, I'm going to stick to buying cars in which the brake master cylinder is physically depressed by the pedal, and in which the emergency brake lever is physically connected with a mechanical cable....
I have to agree,
I also want a mechanical linkage between the accelerator and throttle body, clutch and flywheel and gearstick and selector fork.
Drive-by-wire systems dont receive 1/100th of the testing that fly-by-wire systems do on commercial or military aircraft, without such extensive testing how can we be sure that the system wont fail except in the most extreme conditions. The simple answer is that we cant and the Prius incident proved this.
The underlying problem is that CANbus was designed by automotive engineers and not network security people.
CANBus was designed as a closed circuit diagnostic and reporting system, not a wireless control system.
The underlying problem is with people who dont understand that CANBus is the former and are trying to use it as the later.
I would disagree with that - MPs reside in the House of Commons* (Lower house, which is analogous to Congress), whilst the House of Lords (is analogous to the Senate, though they are not publicly elected, rather chosen by governments)..
Ahh, I meant that the Upper House is often referred to as the senate in Westminster based countries (I.E. Australia, NZ), not that its directly analogous to the US Senate.
Actually, it's Member of Parliament - Ministers tend to be those who head up a department (or Ministry) and are part of the cabinet.
Of course, now that I've corrected somebody, I'll have made any number of mistakes.
That's correct.
Under the Westminster system Members of Parliament or MP's are elected representatives of an electorate. MP's sit in the Lower House (AKA House of Representatives or just House). I think Congressmen/women are the US equivalent.
Ministers are in charge of a portfolio and sit in the Upper House (AKA Senate). The portfolio normally relates to one or more parts of government, I.E. Finance, Defence, Tourism or Culture and the Arts. Ministers are also MP's in most cases. In the US (and countries with similar systems) Ministers are roughly analogous to Secretaries.
No it doesn't, because it removes "Innocent until proven guilty" - the US system means you can accuse me of any crime, and the burden of proof is on *me* to prove I'm innocent, instead of on *you* to justify your claim.
Dont bother trying to explain it to the GP, he is a paedophile after all.
...maybe you're spending too much time in your vehicle.
And definitely not enough time watching the road.
Honda is going to have 2014 cars with iOS powered systems that integrate with your iphone. apple said lots of other manufacturers have signed on as well.
Another sign Honda is going down the gurgler.
Honda used to make good cars. Sports cars like the S2000 and Integra, bulletproof sedans and hatches like the EK Civic (EK Civic VTI-R, 120 KW in a 1000 KG package) and the NSX goes without saying. Now they only produce crap like the modern Civic and Jazz or mum-tanks like the CRV.
There may be plenty of flaws with the Toyobaru Twins but at least this light, RWD sports coupe shows some out of the box thinking by Subaru and Toyota rather than yet another bland econobox turtle.
The minute you try and control others by blocking the left lane, and forcing them to pass on the right, what happens? You create a more dangerous situation by making others pass on the right, and road rage.
Isn't it the aggressor's fault for spreading the rage around? The tailgater is the one creating a potential accident. Nothing requires that person to follow at an unsafe distance until one of us decides to change lane. How am I the one "trying to control others" by minding my own business? I'm not the one trying to push someone else around.
This,
In my country it is the responsibility of the driver behind to maintain a safe distance END OF STORY.
It doesn't matter what the driver in front is doing, what laws they are breaking or how slow they are going, it's is still your responsibility to maintain a minimum safe distance (defined in Australia as "sufficent distance to stop in an emergency without impacting the other vehicle"). If someone is doing 20 KPH in an 80 zone and you hit them, it's still your fault for ramming up their arse (we'll assume the car going 20 KPH is violating the "unreasonable obstruction" law because this is no defence for rear-ending anyone).
Yep, I have been hit by a tailgater. A VN Commo travelling too close in a 60 KPH zone, wrecked a dual control Corolla I was learning in. Insurance paid the instructor, but you cant replace dual control vehicles quickly in Oz... The Commo driver was taken to town for lost income by my instructor. So my dislike of tailgaters started very early.
I guess most non-Australians wont know what a VN Commo is, Suddenly Wikipedia.
Troll, really? I took this tongue in cheek and laughed out loud. This is a sad comment on the times, to little humor and to much political correctness.
This, I wish I had mod points for the GP.
I know this is way way off-topic, but that's probably my favorite DS9 episode; certainly in the top 5. As usual, Garak steals the show, but Sisko does an awesome job as well...
Awesome... Probably not.
But one of the few times Brooks' over acting was actually called for.
If someone wants me to migrate away from Android to their pet OS, then not having Google+ will be the kilelr feature.
so basically, you are saying you are willing to buy their hardware at a loss to them, but you aren't willing to participate in any of the add-on services that actually earn them a profit.
But Google aren't selling the hardware at a loss. In fact it's not even Google's hardware, it's Asus' hardware and they aren't making a loss either.
Piracy is not theft, which is why they are never charged with theft. Normal people actually often commit piracy. Far more than technically inclined folks.
This, Piracy is at best, fraud, not theft. And here I'm talking about commercial piracy where you charge people actual money in exchange illegitimate copies.
Also yes, "normal" (I prefer "mundane") people pirate as much, if not more than technically inclined people.
Finally, piracy has actually lead to increased sales.
How in the world do they lockdown a video stack if I have access to the kernel?
Handwavium to keep the studio execs happy.
Google knows that DRM doesn't work. They just need to do this to keep their deals with the studios.
If someone wants me to migrate away from Android to their pet OS, then not having Google+ will be the kilelr feature. (Having some God-awful Ubuntoid+ instead is not it though).
And No, I will not buy into the Apple world, either)
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A million lemmings can't be wrong.
So tell me why you will not buy into the Apple world?
A mortal fear of walking off cliffs.
I live in Western Australia and it's winter here.
It's currently the middle of the night in Perth, and still 12C. Tomorrow's high is forecast to be 20C. That is not winter.
Yes it is.
Summer in Perth is 40 Deg C.